Before The Federation : Andorians : War-Monger or Saviors?
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- Today, we talk about the Andorians and their impact before the Federation. Were they War Mongers or were they Saviors? We break it down in Before The Federation : Andorians : War-Monger or Saviors?
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I'd say vulcan and andorians are pretty toe to toe on who was the best "friend" of united earth.
Keep in mind that all "good" encouters between humans and andorians were actually just Shren who wanted to not owe Archer any kind of favors.
Some andorians actually actively tried to stage a war between them and the vulcans and attacked Archer and his shuttle.
Shren wasn't send into the expanse to help the Enterprise. He was sent there to get the xindi weapon prototype. Him helping the Enterprise was just a lucky encounter and, in the end, another helpful act by Shren as a person, not his government. Even the final battle at earth was just Shren on his personal mission to help archer because, let's be clear, if it was really the andorian government ordering him they would've send more than 1 ship.
So on one hand we got Shren but who would be representative for the vulcans? Well T'Pol certainly comes to mind. Sure she was reluctant when she first got assigned to Enterprise but she also saw the potential that the humans had in them.
But vulcans also didn't just mostly sit back but actively helped Archer and the Enterprise multiple times. For example one vulcan cruiser got severely damaged by tholian ships when it tried to aid the enteprise after having found an time capsule. A vulcan ship pulled Reed and Mayweather's shuttle with a tractor beam off an icy moon before the two would freeze to death. They disabled three mazarite ships that attacked Enterprise. (Granted the mazarites attacked Enteprise only because they had a vulcan ambassador on board but still they came and aided them instead of just watching from far away)
That list could certainly be expanded on how andorians and vulcans compare to each other or how Shren and T'Pol compare to each other. But after all that's not just a simple question. Yes, the vulcans kept a watchful eye over earth and were sometimes kind of an overprotective grandparent. But they also helped earth and enterprise and some of their advise would become keystones of the federation.
Most notable of all the General Order 1: "No starship may interfere with the normal development of any alien life or society."
If that's not vulcan style i don't know what is.
i agree with what you say as it now flows in canon... but iv always been bothered by spocks statement in balance of terror... the war was fought with primitive ships with no visual communication just radio transmissions etc.. what im tryna say is in enterprise i would have preferred to watch humans discover and make their own mistakes which would have led to a war... and it was going that way ... but the temporal cold war was left open and they ddnt like that.. so the xindi arc was created to close that and they killed two birds with the forming of the federation at the end.. do not quote me on that i read that on reddit lol
A tattoo of Jeffrey Combs will will tick the most boxes cannon wise. I'm using IDIC and the needs of the many. In the other hand the IDIC tattoo is nice in the eye. Then there's the Klingon Tri-foil :/
I vote for IDIC, IDIC my default represents all nominations.
Lore Reloaded but arnt the enterprise and tng/os/voyager/ds9 a different timeline in the end because of a bunch of timeline stuff?
‘Says there is a bias against Andorians for being violent’
“-A Vulcan’s gonna do what a Vulcan’s gonna do. But the Andorians? They were happy to supply us the phasers.”
The Andorians is one of the reasons I wanted Enterprise to continue, even if they had some *terrible* early episodes. I wanted to see how the Federation began, and felt like they were doing it right by the end.
Which series didn't had those. Just remember the first 2 seasons TNG.
VOY actually had a good start but failed to use much of the opportunities given.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that Vulcans cannot lie.
The Andorians have their flaws but I like their alliance with United Earth much more than the ways the Vulcans acted towards United Earth. Andorians seem best suited for border security.
Andorians are the Soldiers in opposition to the Klingon's Warriors.
I've always headcannoned that the Andotians make up most of Starfleet's ground troops.
I have to say I always found the Andorians to be better friends to humans, and honestly, I believe that this is because the Andorians were fundamentally more like humans than the Vulcans were.
I think both the Andorians and the Vulcans gave different things on what they needed. It's why I referred to one as an uncle and one as a brother.. Really different methodologies.
Yeah, I definitely have to agree with that, completely different methodologies.
Vulcans (as a group) do tend to be insufferably arrogant, superior, and manipulative. Capable of easily justifying even the most treacherous, deceptive, or distasteful ethics through their "logic". Indeed their behaviour is nearly identical to Romulans overall, they're just more rarified and less obvious/menacing about it.
No wonder Humans and Andorians (and basically everyone else) ends up mistrusting and conflicting with Vulcans.
There interactions with Capt. Archer helped sealed the bond between our two species.
I would also note in an alternate timeline where the Xindi successfully destroyed Earth The Vulcans abandoned the Humans whereas the Andorians gave the Humans their most advanced shield technology to try and defend the last of their race, this is of course im remembering that episode right, its been years so....
yea, someone else mentioned it. In combat, definitively the andorians are where its at.
You are... Trip said the shield upgrade was 'Courtesy of General Shran'
Andorians: The single most underused race is Star Trek, with the possible exception of the Tellarites.
agreed
Because "good" Klingons replaced them - also a culture driven by tradition, but far more awsome. If the Star Trek gived more atantion to Andorians, the result would be probably the space centrist conservatists - only unocupied place that fits to them. Telarites are to annoying to watch them regulary, as they are like our politicians - disgusting creatures sometimes.
Tellarites are ugly, repulsive, noxious things. But the same was true of Ferengi. Yet Quark (and Rom and others) became likeable and interesting characters. After a while.
I think a Tellarite could become a likeable sort of character, a great source of creative insults and stubborn gruffness. Enough to make the whole species seem kinda cool.
If played by someone like Jeffrey Combs (Shran, Weyoun, Brunt) or Andrew Robinson (Garak). Not if played by someone irritating like Ethan Phillips (Neelix).
Remember how ridiculous Andorians looked before they were given serious attention in ENT. Tellarites just haven't had any spotlight yet.
@@pwnmeisterage Actually the Andorians looked *great* in TOS, especially compared to Tellarites. TNG kept sneaking in almost-Andorians just to tweak a producer's nose for declaring 'No Blue People with antennae.' The Enterprise version really did look great, though. (I had trepidation when they said restyle, and I still haven't looked at Discovery cause someone said, "I know better than all you Trek fanatics, I'm changing everything!" Honestly, they *marketed* Enterprise like that and got it cancelled just when they were starting to make some of it make sense.)
@@OllamhDrab STD has briefly shown one or two Andorians, styled roughly like they were in ENT though with far-too-bright cobalt blue and somewhat harsher "alien" features.
But they were really just stuffed into the background as a shoutout, like the tribble on Lorca's desk, attempting to legitimize the show as Trek lore to the vehemently hateful fans.
Also briefly featured was a clearly Andorian space/combat suit - worn by badass Harry Mudd during his assault on the ship - which I admit actually looked pretty awesome.
Andorians even helped earth in a parralel-universee where the xindi weapon destroyed earth... ANDORIANS FOR LIFE
that wa s a fun episode.
Yep really interesting and dark too
Wait where?
@@novacaesar9303 3 years late, but in the episode where Archer got the parasite, that made him forget stuff but was killed and disappeared from all time, after earth was destroyed, the Andorians gave Starfleet shield technolog.
Say what you want about the enterprise series. Shran is the reason I got back into Star Trek
+Byron Riblet it's grown on me over the years
hes one of the best actors in star trek
He did a great job as Wayoun in DS9
Rico and Brunt FCA
And as Ratchet in Transformers Prime.
Andorran and Humans are ride or die Best friends for life
indeed.
Andorrans _are_ humans. LOL
BFL Bikers?
Andorians are great friends. A Vulcans gonna do what a Vulcans going to do. And they know not to push the pink skins through the thin ice.
H. Clif Gregory
Two citations from Axanar for the price of one. Hats off :)
I agree Vulcans were good friends but as mentioned more than once Andorians came to earths side when it counts and that is how you can tell who your real friends are. So most definitely the Andorians.
not to mention, it was andorian that shared offensive and defensive technologies with united earth. vulcans only "guided" in warp technologies
given the Vulcans' 1500 year history of creating world killer weapons and driving themselves to near nonexistence , it is understandable what they want to hold back.
Were Vulcans really good friends? Ken Jett let me reference the Earth embassy bombing where the high command bombed it and framed the Syranites.
Vulcans and Romulans are equally arrogant, in my opinion. And a single planet can hardly compete with an interstellar empire (let alone two such empires).
So Vulcans are "lucky" we invited them to join the party, lol, smarter Vulcans understand this and accord their non-Vulcan peers some respect.
When the xindi super weapon showed up on Earths doorstep, who was there? The andorians were there, with the vulcans already having hightailed it out of there.
“This planet would be a cloud of dust if we had listened to you.” ~ Archer to Soval
I agree completely that the Andorians proved themselves a much better friend of Earth than the Vulcans ever did when the Xindi War was going on. Shran destroyed the Xindi weapon's escort; had he not, that weapons would never have been stopped. All Soval wanted to do was demand to know why Archer hadn't done more to save that zombie ship they stumbled upon. He should have been kissing ass in a desperate attempt to convince the humans not to change sides in the conflict, backing the side that saved them over the side that did nothing for them.
Yea, it's interesting to watch the two sides. I do think the Vulcans did assist..but in direct assistance (especially militarily) - the Andorians were much more helpful.
aperson22222 yes. And in the alternate future where the Xindi destroyed earth Shran was still helping the survivors while the Vulcans didn't do dick.
Vulcans look at us like inferior pets always needing supervision. Andorians look at us as equals.
This! Vulcans prove themselves as lying snakes when it comes to P'Jem "monastery" and V'Las' case. Plus, they prove themselves as a racist race multiple times by shitting on humans. Humans should have taken the side with Andorians a long time ago.
The Vulcans probably didn't losing the humans to the Andorians as a big deal, but post-Xindi arc, there was no way to deny that humanity was going to be a big force in the quadrant
I love how the Andorian emblem is just reminiscent of a crop circle design...
The Andorians are the biggest ally United Earth ever had.
the blue skins are awesome
+CommanderM117 agreed
Commander freakin' Shran! The baddest ass in the entire Enterprise setting.
Not a big Enterprise fan, but I really liked the episodes that focused on the Andorians and Shran in particular. But then, Jeffrey Coombs is always amazing no matter what character he is playing.
Be it Shran, Brunt, or one of the many Weyoons. :)
Almost as good as the only (actual) Andorian with a speaking part in TOS. That one guy just *sold* it so Trek's always had a subset of Andorian fans. :)
I don't know if the Andorians were better friends to Earth or if it was just Shran was so good.
I think shran sort of a sisko or kirk type. Honest, smart, straight forward, the dude you send in when you want shit fixed without really looking too close at how it gets done.
Andorians my favorite underused species 😢✴💙
Andorians where more like humans, saving their interests but aiding where some phasers needed
+Ernesto Laguardua Yea.. I liked the Andorians quite a bit
Andorians were able to "get" Humans way more than Vulcans ever really did.
Shran was one of the most hot headed people ever, but I loved how Archer dealt with that ridiculous duel!
God humans are so cool. I've never been a fan of humans in fantasy, but in sci-fi humans are awesome. I know my comments on this channel are usually higher quality than this but I don't have a lot to add to this one.
+Michael Spence I'm not picky on comment quality ... Its a discussion after all ;) the only reason I seem eloquent is the power of editting and even then I fail sometimes
One of my favorites this far. Classic Klingons, especially DS9 era (my preteen years) are the best, but the Andorians are for sure a close second.
Thus far*
+Carson Kriger I really enjoyed them in enterprise
And the tos klingon for me.
After Discovery, I've come to appreciate Enterprise
After Discovery, I've come to love anything NOT Discovery far more while hating how Discovery is trying to derail them.
To be fair, it's like being fed nonstop mcdonald's and then being switched to prison food. Although within thia comparison, Shran would still definitely be the best thing on the menu.
Just like how Star Wars fans appreciate the Star Wars presequels more after the latest Star Wars movies.
Enterprise may have been kind of a crummy Star Trek (bad in some ways, surprisingly good in others) but it was still decidedly Trek.
Commander Shran was one of the coolest Star Trek personality's IMO, and he alone made me see the Andorians in a different light than the spy we see in TOS. Shran had a lot in common with a Kirk personality and i really liked him and the Andorians after that.
agreed
The Vulcans weren't really that good of allies pre federation. The first few eps of Enterprise drove home that they were more focused on keeping humans from "progressing too fast" than helping us. Seems more like they were trying to keep a threat close and in check. They wouldn't even help search the Delphic Expanse when earth faced certain doom and this was nearly a century after first contact. The Andorians are hands down the best friends of pre federation Earth. Sure Shran had his own motivations but would listen to reason and didn't treat humans as inferior to the extent Vulcans did. They were also much more willing to risk themselves to help humans out. They were better friends to humans within a year of first contact than Vulcans were in a century. As for the war mongering it really seemed to me that the Vulcans carried the lion's share of the blame for the conflict between them, not honoring the treaty etc. TL;DR The Andorians were true friends to us while Vulcans treated us like peasants. Great vid
I'd like to see more Andorian presence in Discovery. I think the prescribed nature of the species could really add something to the crew an balance out the different philosophies well.
I actually hope for the opposite, that DIS doesn't pull Andorians down when it burns and sinks the whole Trek franchise into ruin.
Not really trying to be a troll ... or blindly join into the herd-mentality STD condemnation ... but the show was (for me) just a strain and a chore to watch.
@@pwnmeisterage Star Trek Online shows Discovery-Era Andorians, and they look pretty cool.
Absolutely preferring Andorians over Vulcans! They prove themselves as true allies. Unlike vulcan lying and racist snakes...
they have a lot of advantages (Andorians) to be sure..
As Bones would say "Green blooded hobgoblins."
The Vulcans purposely limited human progress to such a degree that when we were finally allowed to try to venture out beyond our star system we were wholly under equipped for what awaited us.
The Andorians however, would have given us what we needed to not literally almost be destroyed by the first alien species we came in contact with.
Things would've worked out very differently for Vulcans if Earth's first contact was with Andorians ... enough in itself to suggest their arrival was a calculated move.
But apparently Earth humans just don't have the temperament to be compatible with the idea of subjugation within a Vulcan Hegemony.
I do wonder, since canon is so sparse about it, what sort of relationships the Romulans have with the "many" species they assimilate into their interstellar empire.
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Love the andorians
You can't diminish how much of an impact, P'jem had on the Andorians when looking at humans.
They thought human to be just a pawn of the Vulcan(lap dog?), but the moment they discovered the array, Archer just gave all the info right away, no request, not discussion, no politics.
That weight so heavily no Shran for all of Enterprise' serie. He hated owning one.
Whatever happened to the Andorians? It's like they just vanished.
If they make an appearance on Star Trek: Discovery then that maybe good.
So true, how can all these founding members of the federation have virtually nobody in starfleet. Andorians and tallerites come to mind
They do mention a few ships that are entirely Vulcan crewed, so it's not completely unlikely that Tellerite and Andorian majority crews exist too (We just never see them)
Considering Andoria is an ice ball they may not be physically comfortable in what would be considered normal "room temperature" for humans.
Telerites complained a lot about being cold on Enterprise so they would stick to their own ships which would be warmer.
Though the real reason would probably be that other aliens were easier/less time consuming to get the actors into costume
I cringe to think how Discovery will pervert Andorians.
they didn't fuck them up too bad
Jim Wells: "they did not fuck them up too bad"
I was hopeful until you said "too bad", now I'm only half angry. Thanks, bro. It's good to know they did not go all ST:D Klingon on them. ;)
I have always found it interesting that the race you would think would most be against the humans (Even always calling them pink skins) are actually the best of buddies with humans. And rarely do i hear of Andorran pirates as well (Though i could have missed it a few times)
Andorians and Humans became fast allies.
Never heard of Andorian Pirates. I mean, there are pirates and some of them could be Andorians. But I think you've heard of Orion Pirates.
That reminds me of something i never understoud. When the 2nd xindi weapon attacked earth why was there virtually nothing there to stop it. Earth knew this was coming, maybe not exactly when, but they knew. But when your entire civilization is at risk you throw together whatever you can, like b5's battle of the line
It's one of the stupidly common tropes of star trek where the "hero" ship is the only one in range ever.
The only possible reasonable explanation would be the other Earth ships we see when Enterprise returns to Earth after the first weapon is they were evacuating as much of the population as possible.
But you'd think there would be some sort of planetary defences put into place
You'd imagine the vulcans being "allies" would have sent ships
The only militarized ship at the time is the Enterprise, and it was already trying on a mission.
Just remember how much problem they had with weapons in the early seasons, thinking they wouldn't need them.
But by the time Columbia is finished, Archer had recommended heavy armaments to put in place for self defense.
Earth was mostly defenseless at that time period.
And they could barely make new ships. Most other space ship were cargo ships, with minimal weaponry. They could have used it, but, yeah..
I just want to let you know that I really enjoy your videos and keep up the good work
Thanks, really glad you enjoyed it.
An interesting alternative timeline (if Enterprise had kept going for several more seasons) would be one where it was the Andorians, instead of the Vulcans, that made first contact with Earth.
Subbed, you're putting great content out there man!
Welcome! Always feel free to comment - whether you agree or disagree.. The Channel is a conversation. I also do live streams (got one tonight at 9pm cST) - Feel free to drop by if you ever get some time ;)
I always saw it as The VUlcans are like humanity's family, while the andorians were like our friends. The tellies are just that really cool coworker we have hes kinda of a snob but hes great to grab a beer or two with
Thanks for vidz!
+Daric F anytime
This video makes me wish that I could subscribe again. Great job as always.
you and me both brother
The same held true during the Earth-Romulan War just prior to the formation of the Federation, where Andoria was UE’s greatest ally and the only members of the Coalition of Planets to honor the mutual defense pact; Tellar wanted no part in the fighting, and Vulcan became extremely reclusive during the conflicts with their not-yet-revealed (and desperate to keep secret) genetic cousins.
That was a good video (for a pink skin)lol😆
+Mike Vasquez I try
Star Trek Theory some of my best friends are humans. the loremaster is one of the good ones.😆
Your tattoo should say, "taxation is theft"
done
Shran was one of my favorite Star Trek characters.
I've always thought of it as United Earth having better diplomatic relations with Vulcan than with Andoria, but Captain Archer, personally, had a better relationship with Commander Shran than with any Vulcan officer, even T'Pol.
Dude, you should definitely get the serenity logo, definitely!
Love this
There's a big difference between a big brother and a crazy uncle. In a bar fight, a crazy uncle is perfectly willing to stab his opponent. He's old, he's seen a lot, and jail doesn't scare him. A big brother on the other hand is afraid to squander the rest of his life, and isn't willing to go that extra bit to help you out.
You're not wrong.
“The Andorian Mining Consortium
runs from NO ONE.”
Before the changelings started sending out their own to randomly scout other areas, they actually sent out surgically (if not genetically) modified Voorta, including one of the original Weyoun. This Weyoun, going by the name Shran, would actually be instrumental in the founding of the Federation.
T Pol in the red jumpsuit. Thumbs up to that!
The guy that attacked Sarek was only disguised as an Andorian
My favourite race
Mine was the unnamed race that built the Gate on the Edge of Forever.
My second favourite were the Krenin Imperium and their time wepon
The Imperium can be cool.
Thats some good lore...👍
It would be interesting to see each member race of local defense fleets with tech only indigenous to their race
Humanity has no more true blue friends than the Andorians. We owe them one ... or two.
Oddly before the first contact with the Andorians, some members of the Vulcan High Command were under the influence of the Romulans. The Romulans were involved in some of the internal affairs of the Vulcans. The Romulans had tried to cause a war between the Andorians and the Tellarites. Unfortunately, the Romulans had underestimated the power and influence which the Humans have. After the Earth-Romulan War, the Romulans have decided to become more isolated until they have reappear in the TOS series timeline of 2266 C.E. Oddly the Andorians were a better friend for the humans.
Indeed.. If you haven't - you should check out my 'Before The Federations: The Vulcan Big Brother' (or some name like that) - we actually discuss it there.
Shran was awesome peeps! They were sick of being mistreated by Vulcans. Archer unbiased treatment of both Vulcans and Andorians left a great impression.
Wouldve been nice to see some Andorians on TNG. Starfleet was waaay too human.
I really liked the Enterprise era Andorians. They were a major race which never really got much screen time previously.
I liked the in enterprise as well.
The andorians are what we would call a true friend. Someone that isnt afraid to speak their minds or do what they felt was right. A true friend is someone who we can have conflict with yet always find a way to standing by eachothers side in common cause.
I believe it's pronounced E-nar! The "A" in Aenar is silent ;)
I'm so bad at names..even when i've watched it dozens of times.. Though that should have been evident..ugh.
Lore Reloaded haha so am I! I just happen to be a big Enterprise fan. Also I think the Aenar are just super cool 😎
Don't get a tattoo.. you'll regrets it 40 years from now.
+Louis Anon I'll be 70..so.. Not a lot I won't be regretting :p
I always forget about the Andorians, as they're rarely mentioned in Trek for no good reason. I'd love to see a Fed/And/Klink task force engage the in some coordinated battle against the romulans or some shit like that. I also feel like the Klingons and the Andorians would probably get along quite well, with the Humans as mediators.
We keep seeing starships named Enterprise which are captained and crewed by humans. Always a token Vulcan onboard. Sometimes also a small smattering of other aliens.
But it would be cool to see other starships belonging to other Star Trek races. Maybe a token human or Vulcan onboard, maybe not.
An Andorian ship, Klingon, Romulan? Perhaps episodic interactions/conflicts following each of them, _Wrath of Khan_ style battles, etc.
I like how this video is showing everybody just fighting and killing each other while simultaneously thinking "you know what I want to join a federation with these people". 😂😂😂😅
My mate got a 'make it so' tatoo behind his ear, he maintains it's pretty much the worst decision he ever made but all power to you.
+Matthew McNeany I don't intend to put it behind my ear.
Tramp stamp of Spock?
+Durley ...done
Lore Reloaded I know this is old but...trap stamp of Spock?
If you're at a bar and you get in a fight. Who's gonna back you up? The Vulcan?
Andorians being the crazy uncle of earth... I love it
Dont forget in the Axanar trailer that the Vulcans wouldn't supply the Humans with weapons but the Andorians were happy to give us phasers.
+Daehawk While I think that sentiment is apt.. Its not considered Canon.. But I do believe that's how it would work out
Both the Andorians and the Vulcans were brother/sister figures to Earth in different ways. One very by-the-book, the other headstrong and unconventional.
3:21, 3:33, 4:47, 5:28, 5:33, and 5:38 among others. Correct at 6:18, but, again at 6:35.
Why didn’t we see Andorian ships in any of the Borg/dominion actions? @lorereloaded
I think the reasoning for why vulcans were so aggressive with the blue skins, is because of romulans. Remember at the end they were trying to reunify but it failed. I would say that high command was corrupt in someway to strive for this, and use andorians as a scapgoat for aggression.
The high command and the imperial guard.Both seem to be allot alike just one was more out front with it.
What do you think would have happened had Vulcan completely broke ties with Earth after Archer revealed their spy network in _The Andorian Incident_ episode? Without T'pol on board, I can't see Earth surviving the Xindi Incident and I'm not sure if Andoria would have filled Vulcan's now absent role. It would probably make a good theory episode.
actually the next two seasons of ENT after the xindi story arc supposedly was about The andorians and tellarites...then it got cancelled and they rushed things...
I really like your videos I had an idea for one that might be up your ally. A potential analysis on the soong family mainly data's family. So I mean if not been deactivate what potential or impact could these characters of played maybe for star trek of other species.
For example lore if still alive and working with borg what may have happened...
B4 maybe a future in starfleet like data but with different skills like command?
Lal, though short lived she had amazing potential with natural emotional ability as well as mental simular to her father's.
Juliana Tainer although I don't believe her story would change much if she did know she was an android would she of chosen a new path .. perhaps live with data on enterprise or reactavate lore and be the mother he never had.
And data if not killed could we see a admiral data ... with his new emotions chip would be attempted to create a new child?
I'm sure there's many other ways this could go aswell.
that's intriguing for sure.
In the 30+ years I followed Star Trek, the Andorians are and were always the more "human" species. Were they warmongers or saviors? They were both, just like humans. They always saw them in us and vice versa. They were more military in their efforts into space, knowing full well the dangers of space travel. Of the 3 founding non-human races of the (misnamed human) United Federation of Planets, they are supposed to be aspects of us in the storytelling part. The stubborn arguers (Tellarites) who never give up, the arrogant scientists who view most "lessers" as children to be guided (Vulcan) and the warlike brothers in arms (Andorians).
The Andorians were my favorite part of Enterprise and were so underused.
Edit: added and
I see an Andre in there at the credits/patreon supporter shoutout
+AJZulu best supporter ever
In most of the description, you often say the Andorian helped, or were friendly to the Humans,m but I think it was actually Shran's friendship with Archer.
You never see either race interact other then with those 2 captains. Shran speaks on behave of the Human, and Archer does the same for the Andorians.
The vulcans already have Embassy on Earth, and I think Earth already has it's embassy on vulcan? So they do have more formal relation. No such thing with the Andorians.
We even see the Andorian government to be far more against helping the humans, unless Shran comes and pleads to go help, or just take the decision on himself.
What's more important to You? Intentions or Actions, For Me it's the latter so the Andorians are good guys that had our backs.
Only if the romulans design the ship to be controlled by the anar’s psychic abilities. That’s why some anar died from the first few attempts.
In enterprise i really liked the andorians. Although they had their faults, they were pretty straight shooters, especially with the humans.
I liked them as well..
Nobody in ST is without their flaws, just look at the hubris of the federation and their so-called evolved sensibilities.
The Andorians, much like the Ferengi, have faults that are much more relatable faults to John Q Public, while (to me at least), it would seem that you need to be a monk to be more relatable to the Vulcans than the Andorians. Arguably this could be a good explanation to why many people would like the Andorians as a race, as well as why a person can make a fairly good (and convincing to me) argument for them over the Vulcans.
Just a random thought anyways; something I see as similar to the reaction in many Mass Effect fans in liking the Turians over any of the other major players in that franchise.... Perhaps it boils down to what level of familiarity exists within a fantastical setting such as those in fantasy and sci-fi..... think the connection with realworld styles of attack and defense in the fighter defense and lightsaber combat in SW for a pretty well known example of what I mean here.
(Edited to add blank lines between the 3 sections of what I had to say.)
(Edit #2: I should point out that "relatable" & "likable" are not one in the same, I'm looking at the Ferengi here.)
Enterprise showed that Vulcans and Romulans are closer to each other than they want to let on.
agreed. There's alot of synergy there you never considered before.
This video makes me think....perhaps it's another reason why Spock seemed to be unpopular.
Not with the audience ....but in his universe. The vulcans had issues....which were probably smoothed over in sarek' time.
This begs the question: What if humanity made first contact with Andoria before Vulcan?
A lot more reckless, better weapons, and probably more alcohol.
Andorians were meritocratic spartan society of people devoted to duty and struggle. Depends on your personal ideology if to hate them or adore them.
also, andorians were one of the federations founding members right?
Yup
The Andorians are the crazy Uncle who want the Humans of Earth to succeed mostly on their own. They turn out to be better friends of Earth than the Vulcans. Oddly, there should be a What If scenerio involving the Andorians becoming the first alien race to contact Earth instead of the Vuicans.
The expanse was deadly toxic to Vulcans.....
A point to consider...
Andorians: Militaristic species with high sense of honor.
Andorians are my favorite race in ENT other than the Xindi
Get one of the followings: (1) IDIC (2) Romulan star empire (stylized: shoulder) (3) In Klingonsese " Revenge is a dish best served cold.". If it is your first tat, go with something small and a simple like: IDIC 2 cm x 2 cm.
WARNING "letting someone else choose a tattoo is a bad idea".
The Tatoos are choices I would do anyway.
Not important, but a pet peeve: United Earth ships don't have "the" in front of them. It's just "Enterprise", "Columbia", "Shenandoah", etc.
Give me a time stamp for context?