Mirror Universe : The Terran Empire Government
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ม.ค. 2018
- We break down the Terran Empire itself in this video. The Terran Empire is a Fascist government from the Mirror Universe.
he Terran Empire was a repressive interstellar government dominated by the Terrans from Earth in the mirror universe. The Empire ruled by terror, its Imperial Starfleet acting as its iron fist. In Starfleet, officers promoted themselves by killing superiors that did not follow the rules of the Empire. Torture was a common form of interrogation.
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It seems that the Terran empire is the Roman empire that never fell. There are so many clues from the salutes to the gods to the attitudes that very much seem roman. It seems to be a good strong story line
Yea, I do think that's where they were going with that.
xchanticochulox The Klingons put Tyler's mind in a Klingon body and did surgery to make it look human!
Lore Reloaded. Nope it was from City. The Roman Alternate was a new story in the line of Miri stories. Alternate Earth coincidences in this universe and this reality that made different choices. Fictional device for a moral lesson.
Bread and Circuses shows that Uhura was a church lady in the 23rd Century. She schooled the three clueless white atheists on Christianity. Ohhhhhh SNAP. So religion isn't completely gone by 2267.
That's a different episode.
We can also assume if this the truth, then the "primarily" language of the Terrans might not even be "English" as we know it
It's called the "mirror universe" because the TOS episode where we first saw it was called "mirror mirror."
It also likely has to do with the quote "for we see now through a glass darkly."
..ok
I wonder what the Mirror Universe Borg are like? "We are the Borg. We only want to procreate with anybody who is willing". 5000 Seven OF Nine clones beam down. Good times.
Put me down for that. Might take me a while by 5000 seven clones. Damn. Death by snu snu 😂
And instead of machine implants, they don't wear anything, just biological tools to help them procreate
@@eatpoopoo jeesus, that was distubing but hella cool!
It`s hard to say anything about Borg. I`m pretty sure Q wasn`t interested in Terrans so he didn`t introduce them to Borg, but they might be the same in their Delta Quadrant. Eventually Mirror universe doesn`t mean everything should be 100% opposite to the Prime one😀
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 haha actually, i can't remember where i saw it, but apparently Q MADE the mirror universe... Completely as a troll to the federation and Picard in particular... That does seem like something he would do... X'D
1950's western hemisphere to me it all points to Walt Disney founder of the Terrain Empire.
+Kuldip Binning ......mother of God..
No it’s TRUMP who caused it
Or typical Americans thinking their the Centre of the universe
Hiel Mickey
hail mickey
0:55 "pointing out a place where he dropped acid." Man, those trippy 60's.
"Where he dropped acid"
Exactly, lol
Straight trippin Bones!
The only way McCoy can get rid of his space sickness is by getting LIT
"DAMN IT MAN, I'M A DOCTOR, NOT A DRUG ADDICT!"
@@brickman940 Kirk: Bones, I am behind.
I know it's not canon, but I read a ST:TNG novel where Picard went to the mirror universe. The book was written before DS9's take on that universe, so they were still very much the Terran Empire. Anyhoo, Picard read their history and it turned out that there was never a World War 3 and that they'd never learned the lessons of mass genocide and come together peacefully afterwards. I wish that the show had gone this route with the story. The ships were more advanced, particularly the engines. The conquered territory of the Empire was 2 or 3 times the size of the Federation's explored space. Definitely find this book, it makes an interesting read.
Agreed
Does this novel have a title?
@@warriorking0723 Dark Mirror by Diane Duane
Every Stellaris run in a Nutshell
JCDenton 2012 Let’s be Xenophobic it’s really in this year
Lets go and find a slimy alien to fear
There's no more cutesy stories about E.T. phoning home.
Let's learn to love our neighbours like the Christians learned in Rome
@@johnroach9026 we know we ought hate
I always liked the Mirror Universe. They tried to have the opposite of the Federations as the Dominion but it didnt really work. Having this Terran Empire that conquered and ruled the stars over the Federation that united the stars is a very good counter story
For every success the Federation made threw peace you have the Empire do the exact same thing threw war
In some ways its a shame in DS9 they had the empire become broken and beaten, it could have been a fun story arc to have the Federation and the Empire come into conflict
GodReapersX I'd love to see s successful Terran Empire! Maybe have them square off a "Mirror Dominion" that values freedom and coexistence between races.
Well, the Dominion does favour co-existence, but only between the "solids", because of genuine distrust they have for them, it just that you lack total freedom, it was more a smiling face version of Fascism, I know, people have hard time seeing other forms of it.
In the Mirror Gamma Quadrant, when the Founders originally left to explore the galaxy they found that "the Solids" reacted to them with wonder and delight. As a result of this experience the mirror Founders developed the philosophy that all races should be free to chose their own destiny.
They believe this so strongly that they will often intervene to aid smaller races threatened by larger empires. This makes them natural enemies of the Terran Empire.
there is one that is successful Terran Empire
If you think thats bad think about the Mirror Dominion and whats known on them thus far...make our version of them look like wimps!
A facist government devoid of racism and xenophobia where any one could advance through hard work/obaying the law?
...
Would you like to know more?
Hahah, We would need to define 'obeying the law' ..but that could be an interesting idea..
That's the tricky part isn't it.
The laws would determine whether this is a racist utopia or dystopia.
But either way you have to be a citizen to get the right to advance and vote...
So join the Mobile Intrantry today!
Yea, I got the reference there instantly as well ;) I need to do an ad for the terran empire in that style ;P
Are you talking about the book or movie.
sakuradl definitely the Paul Verhoeven film. Which was designed from the ground up to be satire
Only found your channel a few weeks ago, and it rocks!
+Andy Godbeer I always attempt to Impress :) Glad you enjoy.
I glad that you add that the Vulcans join the Terran empire later. Look on as equal status as the humans later.
Sophia Wilson The Klingons put Tyler's mind in a Klingon body and did surgery to make it look human!
no I am talking about the other subject.
Carl M. No, they modified a klingon body to look human using Tylers body, then used tylers mind to mask the klingons.
Sophia Wilson i say theres two different timelines here. The one from TOS and DS9 with different races in the empire, perhaps after years of fighting after first contact.
Then another timeline was created when the Defiant appeared, it changed the ballance of power from that point and the humans never needed to ally with Vulcans and the like. Leading to the mirror verse seen in DSC.
Interestingly, if its not the case that means the Spock and his father are on opposing sides of a major conflict🤔 so typical of them!
Hey that is good point thanks but I read that the over years the Vulcans was had equal statues thanks to T-pol (there rebels Vulcans against Terran Empire in the early days of ENT) There is non canon stories that T-pol and Empress Hosi work together to bring Vulcans to fold.
Fascinating stuff man. Love the video. I've read some goodies on the Mirror Universe. My favorite bits are its origins, its nature, and its resurgence following the Terran Rebellion. I love the idea that Cochrane and co. stormed the Vulcan ship and founded the Empire in fear of the Borg threat, which itself ties into another of my favorite Trek theories. The Terrans were really genocidally xenophobic, but only in cases where the conquered species had resisted integration into the Empire. The Vulcans, Tellerites, and Bolians all capitulated without a drawn out conflict. However, the Andorians, Kelpians, and Tholians vigorously and viciously resisted, which inspired elements of the other races to do the same. This led to brutal reprisals courtesy of the Empire. I love that the Empire was able to virtually annihilate the Klingons, and secure primacy over the alpha and beta quadrant before the Alliance took advantage of their reforming flux and overpowered them. Very cool man
Long live the Empire
#fortheemperor
Long live the Empire!!
I agree but I feel you have the wrong one
All hail, Emperor Tiberius!
Terra Firma!
One thing though, the Terran Empire was resting on very shaky ground as its command hierarchy was in theory in constant flux as a way for advancement was to assasinate anyone above making every Terran with any kind of position probably extremely paranoid.
SO calling it an "Odd hirerarchy" is obvious.
But Mirror universe Spock's reforms was also the reason for the Empire's/Terran Republic's downfall due to the scrapping of its military.
The assassination method only worked if you didn't get caught. But even so, you're not wrong.
Awesome 👍😎
Human-centric racism? Sounds like the Star Wars Empire.
Except older (also holy crap someone who was a freshman when you posted this could've graduated by now that's crazy)
I always saw the Vulcan invasion referenced by archer was a “history is written by the victors” situation.
I think it's implied as well with the way Archer responded. Humans either lied and indoctrinated the future generations to truly believe the Vulcans were invading or Terrans are so warped they can't fathom mutual exchange (though in the context of Enterprise it's interesting that there distrust in the prime timeline as well just not extreme)
i would love seeing a mirror universe series. think of the possibilities. after being goodie two-shoes to see a badassed star fleet is most fascinating a concept. always liked the episodes of all the series that ventured over to the darkside.
Tangled with my mirror counterpart the ISS Normandy. He’s just as aggressive as me and it makes a far more difficult opponent then I ever faced before. It’s 50/50 right now with our fights and SFC knows to get me if he ever comes back
I would suggest that there are a multitude of different 'Mirror Universes'.
This would make the most sense considering every time we see them something is different about them lol.
Star trek TNG parallels word keeps shifting to many different universe's and the book q squared
one of the theories about Alternate Time lines in general is that Every choice on everything leads to a divergent path, when you go right, there's a timeline where you went left instead,
Discovery messed up Cannon so it is logical that Discovery would mess up the Mirror Universe as well. Heck Discovery could not even get the Uniform style look right.
Mirror Mirror 1967/68 season was taken from the edited out material of City on the Edge of Forever. The Pirate Marauder Enterprise, in the original Ellison screenplay was what they beamed up to after the crewman that saved Edith in the past had changed the future. GR and DF took that out to shorten the story to one hour. They liked it so they saved it for an episode next season. Ellison originally wrote a two parter, but since GR had reworked The Cage footage as the two parter, the network didn't want another one. In 1967 there were NO season ending cliff hangers either in US TV.
So this Mirror Mirror, as fiction, is produced by the Guardian due to free will, as an alternate universe or otherwise there is only one universe and one reality. Kirk comes to realign them back onto a Logical GR utopia path, but keep the adultery. GR liked the adultery.
Every Mirror Mirror since then was fan service, and nothing more. Bizarro Superman Comics. Fun time for the actors, not having to play such still paragons every week.
Dark age of technology my old friend.
HERESY!!!! THE INQUISITION SHALL EXTERMINATUS YOUR PLANET NOW WARP SPAWN!!
Use tachyon pulse and seal the Warhammer 40k universe in their home universe.
Barry Bend problem is that 40k is in the far future.
Why do you think I said tachyon as it's the go to in star trek for temporal disturbances.
Your best bet is isolating the warp.
Good video
I kinda pondered that when Cochran killed the Vulcans, that was the result of Picard destroying the Enterprise-E to destroy the Borg. The Enterprise crew followed orders to stay out of time's way, but too late and it had already been corrupted, so Cochran looked at the Vulcans as an attack. That would set forth the events we saw through ST: Enterprise.
I think it's something appealing with how the Terran Empire operated. In a lot of ways, it was what the idealized Klingon Empire is about. A very brutal but effective power. You don't adapt to other cultures, you conquer them and they become part of the empire, which is why it made sense with the first TOS episode of no racism from within humans and other races they have conquered. You are a citizen of the empire and anyone can rise to the top if you have ambitions of glory but above all, your goal is to the strength of the empire
That doesn't sound bad, however keep in mind that someone might have similar idea and thus competition and rivalry within the empire exist.
Edit: Kinda like the Old Sith Empire, anyone can rise to the top.
@@voidkat4202 Well like all empires, one's own ambitions outweigh their patriotism
I have a question for you since you mentioned first contact. After they did the warp jump to get noticed by the valcuns and turned around and went back to earth how did they get from the ship back onto land all they had was a cockpit there was no shuttle craft there was no transporter and just to get the ship into orbit they had to launch it from a missile silo. I didn’t see no landing gear so what did they do crash land the ship.
Excellent video, though I would like to point out an in-universe flaw. With the Enterprise mirror universe episodes that obtain the U.S.S. Defiant, they have a jump start on 23rd century tech, yet when we go to the TOS Mirror Mirror episode, when we look at the I.S.S. Enterprise, we can see that it is an earlier Constitution design that we had seen from the Capt. Pike Prime Universe U.S.S. Enterprise. This would indicate that the Prime Universe would still have a slight technological edge.
The First and Second Terran Empires were my first empires. In the First Terran Empire, I ruled over dozens of star systems. In the Second, I ruled over the ENTIRE Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Have you ever read the TNG Novel "Dark Mirror"? If not, I can highly recommend it.
Also, the Mirror Spock book, Sorrows of Empire?
The book is excellent and while I wont spoil it for anyone, it does get more into the roots of the Terran Empire and many of the parallels of it versus the Federation. Also from this and other novels, the Terran Empire comic books are also in circulation and are well written and as for the Imperial Picard, well you will be suprised at how ruthless he really is.
Oh yes, Diane Duane delivers a book that really makes the Terran Empire a vicious ruling power that makes the Romans and Nazis seem like puppy dogs. Every species is enslaved and conquered without remorse. She has written quite a few Star Trek books, including "Ship of the Line," which describes Picard's first mission on the Enterprise E. It also explains that Picard was not the Enterprise E's first commander. It was Morgan Bateson. That's right, the captain of the Soyuz class USS Bozeman from "Cause and Effect (TNG)"
I've read it. It's very good. I also highly recommend it.
I always thought that had the Borg and the Enterprise-E not going back in time to 2063, only then would the Terran Empire would be "born". Remember, Zephram Cochrane wasn't the altruistic engineer who invented the warp drive for the benefit of humankind. He wanted to make money. Coupled this with an unstable environment at that time, and you would have had a Terran Empire. Also, it would have been nice to see a proper Mirror Universe of DS9 and VOY, though, you sort of had that in VOY.
That is why in the mirror universe they dont go back to 2063. The human race is enslaved by the 24th century.
Empires like the Klingons and Romulans, and even Terran Empire, require substantial manpower and resources dedicated to internal policing of their subjugated races. Both the Klingons and Romulans boast 'empires' essentially subduing and ruling over other species within their territories. To what extent these subject species are involved in their societies is never made made entirely clear, as far as I know. However, it's made pretty clear that they persevere through conquest and military intimidation of their subject species.
The Federation has the advantages of the combined knowledge, personnel, and resources of all their member worlds and don't have to police themselves internally with their fleet.
The Klingons and Romulans presumably would not have their advantages. Never have we seen non-Klingon or non-Romulan scientists or officers of any significance or number in their ranks. And to maintain these subject species would require considerable internal policing and monitoring of their technological development, I would think.
With so much of their attention and resources, not to mention single-species manpower, needed internally, the fact that they can still manage to rival the Federation externally speaks very highly of their military might.
PathsUnwritten. Thats not how it worked for the Spartans.
Mind explaining?
PathsUnwritten. The spartan society was built on slavery, the majority of people were slaves with sometimes as few as a thousand actual Spartans at any one time. While they were said to be in constant fear of rebellion it never seemed to be a real threat to them and its not how they fell.
That a multicultural, multispecies entity would not need to allocate significant rescources to internal policing is a naive dream and nothing more. If Roddenberry wrote it, sure, but only because of word of god. Otherwise there are simply too many conflicting interests, differences in ethics and wordviews to the point that a militaristic entity ruling by fear has better chance of remaining stable as one who relies on compromise after compromise.
I agree. If we use the UN on earth today as an example of The Federation, we can clearly see how fast things go south.
the terran empire looks like fun and i wish they made a series or 5 about it
It also depends on which cannon you're looking at. The book "Dark Mirror" gave a different account where the changes instituted by Spock were quickly stopped by Kirk and the empire grew where the Klingons surrendered, Romulous & Remus commited mass suicide and the empire expanded.
I use alpha canon only..or try to.
Honestly the mirror universe episodes of Enterprise were my favorite episodes of that series. Imagine if the whole series was of the mirror universe, that would have been truly amazing
It feels like any series that goes into the mirror universe does really well.. save for ds9 ;P
My head canon for the Mirror Universe outside of the episodes are basically the novels. In Sorrows of Empire, Spock turns the Empire into a Republic, and weakens it so that it can be taken over, leading to the events shown in DS9, where the novels Obsidian Alliances and Rise like Lions take place. I know the novels aren't considered canon, but i'd like to believe those novels are how the Mirror Universe turned out, since i do think that's how Spock would have seen it.
Edith Keillor didn't die in the 1930s. She convinces the US to be world pacifists and they lead a world movement to avoid WWII. Hitler and the Nazis had time to develop their nuclear program and with their V2 rockets they captured the world.
~Lt Cmdr Spock 2267 (1967+300 years)
that is alter time line not the Mirror Universe.
He SPILLED acid, he didn't DROP acid.
Just a thought, Have you ever considered there may be more than one "Mirror" universe?
We have seen, multiple, (subjective), good ones, (eg, STNG S07E11 "Parallels") in the trekverse. so it stands to reason that there must be just as many "Mirror" ones . It may be that even if you have traveled to one of them before the next time you cross a dimensional barrier and find yourself in a " Mirror ", you may not be in the same one you last visited. This would explain inconsistencies.
I REALLY want to see the mcCoy drops acid episode now.
I always thought it was pretty lazy of them to use the exact same ship models for the Terran Empire ships, like come on, at least throw some big canons on the thing or something like they did in Voyager "Living Witness". The idea that, in an alternate universe where humanity is very authoritarian and militaristic that the ships would be the exact same the peaceful Federation built for exploration is pretty silly.
I think the TOS gets a pass because the show was pretty low-budget campy but shows like Enterprise where they just paint the hull yellow (some combination of red, white and blue, or if you really want to go full evil, a black and red motiff, would probably make a lot more sense, yellow/gold is usually associated with economic wealth, not political and military power). A missed opportunity to make some badass weaponized versions of the NX or Enterprise D (which I guess they kinda eventually did with the Galaxy X).
ive seen the org series episode and the ds9 episodes about the terran empire but not the discovery ones wich discorvery episodes do i need to watch for it
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Hey LR, will you ever be taking a look at/debating the morals behind the death of Tuvix?
Oh you mean the episode where Janeway killed a man who begged for his life and went to other crew members trying to ask them to vouch for him.. brought security and over rode the doctor to kill a man who could do both jobs? Yea, I'll be discussing that at some point ;)
Lore Reloaded Thank god, that whole episode fucked with me for awhile. Tuvix was an all around amazing/interesting character and while I do like both Tuvok and Neelix I felt Tuvix could have been far more useful in the long run
Lore Reloaded not to mention it was morally wrong all around, as they quite literally killed the guy despite his begging for his own survival
The spider on her shoulder told her to...
I like that huff a 4:25.
Its like the writers decided 'hey, how about we change our symbol to only show the American continent instead of the whole world', Inferring somehow America was the centre of the world.
Check out the second trilogy of books written by shatner and the Garfield Stevens couple based on tiberius ending up in the prime universe, it includes TNG, Voyager and I Believe DS9, those books give alot of info on the terrain empire as well as the rebellion
With how the Terran system is described it almost sounds like an alternate WW2 History where the Germans and Japanese won the war. Maybe in that universe you have a Man in High Castle situation where the western Hemisphere is basically cut in half by the Germans and the Japanese - and this is where a potential hybrid alliance was launched that eventually gave birth to the Terran Empire - and that is why it shows the western hemisphere.
Remeber seeing a episode of TOS where they went back in time but into a alternate timeline and even though everything was modern it was as if the Roman empire never died out. So at least that long.
U should check out the book trilogy written by William Shatner beginning with spector. Its a great story line involving the mirror universe and the prime universe. They also fill in the gaps of the terran empire history
Zefram Cochrane used Vulcan technology to quickly conquer the rest of the world and it's crippled state it was not hard and he became the first Terran emperor Cochran line of emperors
Upon digging a bit further, I came to find that the Terran Empire was actually the result of a conglomeration of Disney, Wal-Mart and Amazon. You can Google that, by the way.
We are the borg resistance is preferred
I’m curious about weather or not there’s a Teran Empire in the Kalve Time line.
We know that the Romulan ship that altered the time lines was from the Prime Universe, but would anything like that happen if the Empire was running things?
Perhaps NA was the center of the map because it was founded by Zefram Cochrane. He had the Vulcan ship and humanity's first warp ship. He could set the rules at that point. And tell me those female officer uniforms aren't something he'd have come up with.
Maybe that's what Cochrane was like and it was only his interactions with the E-E crew preparing him for first contact that he decided to shake hands instead of shoot.
now here me out. is it possible there is a mirror kelvin timeline. although the split from prime timline happend at the distruction from the USS kelvin. what if in mirror spock still hellped the romulans resulting in the same events happening just with the ISS kelvin.
I don't hate that idea
Some aliens without weapons landing their ships just to wave? Yeah that is one helluva gift for humanity. The empire however did a huge mistake in expanding too fast after figuring out and reverse-engineered the tech.
I wonder if the Empress from discovery (Philippa Georgiou) is a descendant of Hoshi Sato the officer who staged a coup and took control of the Defiant in the enterprise mirror universe episode.
My Discovery/Mirror theory is that Lorca is mirror universe Lorca. Remember, he programmed the jump that took discovery into the MU. According to the latest episode Mirror Lorca tried to launch a coup against the Emperor. I think he hopped over to the Prime universe to steal some tech and pull a Sato style coup.
Their tech is the same level so that is not reason. Lorca wanted to be Emperor that why he made changes on the Discovery.
There would also have to be a strange attractor between the prime and the mirror universes, with the mirror universes somehow being dragged by the prime or a reflection of the prime. Because if they were seperate universes then the next generation of people would be completely different as the circumstances of their conception would be different due to random events.
Different people die, meet, reproduce together in different situations and with different number of thrust before ejaculation (to get pedantic) so that means different genetic combinations.
What I like about the Terran Empire: dose crazy dudes with beards and dem sexy midriff bad babes.
For the empire !
My opinion was always that the splitting point of prime and mirror universe was first contact, in prime influanced by the tng crew, in mirror without any influances from any other timeline
That is what I thought. No Ricker
Or Laforge to influence him. It would make sense that he wpuld have that attitude about life without that influence. He just lived threw a world war where 300 million died! If this is true you can thank the Borg for the federation!
I want to see Star trek series based in the Terran Empire. I believe it started with the Roman Empire based introduction and Full name of the Emperor in Star Trek Discovery.
I like the Mirror Universe because it is still basically a blank canvas and therefore open to unlimited stories and adventures.
I think there's a mirror universe that interacts with prime, being a few years behind and ones that alternative reality's of that univers
I love watching the early days of my favorite SC2 race before they went off to the Koprulu sector.
U would agree with me that they should make it into a star trek series. Great story
4:08 Imperial State of America
Ironic you said that because during the reign of George W. Bush, yes I said "reign" because he really thought himself a ruler, rather than a leader elected by the people. In many transcripts to the media, Bush was regarded as consistently referring to the United States as the "American Empire" and that America pretty much is an Empire in all but declaration only. Since the classic definition of an Empire is rule by either economic strength or military force, that pretty much does describe America. And as the term "president" is derived from the Latin word "Praetor" which means overseer or landowner this can be construed as a term also for Emperor sans being elected. So The Imperial State of America is already here, it is the truth, and has been for a long time.
@@deathstrike Interestingly, "Praetor" is also the title assigned to the leader of the Romulan Senate.
There are some hints that suggest the USA becomes an empire that takes over the world in the mirror universe
2:10 The possibility that is just propaganda has to be accounted for. Of course the empire would exaggerate how long it's been around.
I love how the 'mirror version' of ourselves insists on making a distinction between 'goodies and baddies' and the originals are always the goodies!!!! Such a wonderfully naive and simple outlook on story telling.
"Why are they evil?"
"Because they're wearing black clothes and are capitolists"
"But we like black clothes and we are capitolists!"
"Shhhhhh....... we're not suppose to admit that, we're the 'heroes'!"
The Terran Empire is similarly sinister to the Clans of Battletech. Both are war like, and reward competency... What constitutes competency is different for both, but, it is intriguing.
Long Live the Empire!
Terra Firma!
Hey man, Sato and T'Pol's mirror counterparts are enough for me to want to live in that timeline. ALL HAIL EMPRESS SATO! LEADER OF THE EMPIRE!
Terra. Firma!
what happened to first contact & how did man become the most feared species in the galaxy also considering the time line difference, why wasn't discoveries space jumps incorporated in to the future federation,
Hail, the Terran Empire.
If you want an early example of the Terran Empire go to Star Trek Farragut, the episode "For Want Of A Nail".
I once heard the idea that the Terran Empire universe/timeline was created by the events of City on the Edge of Forever.
Wish they went back to this universe or another one were it ruled still
You can also see the intro to Enterprise they swap the sailing ship out. The normal intro uses the 1848 cutter unarmed Enterprise. The Terren Empire intro shows a 44 gun Battleship from 1804. So you can say the Empire is at least as far back as 1848.
indeed
0:58 reminds me of the fixed point theorem no matter how much you move something (particles, molecules, atoms, objects etc) in a given space something with always end up back where it started. Vsauce made a video about thats pretty interesting.
that is interesting
I read somewhere that the ROMULAN REPUBLIC was a huge threat to our beloved TERRAN EMPIRE! I wish that I had more to share on that point.
in an other reality the Romulan Republic made the humans and Vulcans into slavers under it rule but together they broke free and vow never again made the Terran Empire.
Video idea: Is the federation itself an empire?
Starfleet was not done at the end of the best of both worlds. 39 starships did not represent all federation starships. What if the enterprise had rammed the cube at max warp? Likely the cube would have taken massive damage allowing time for the remaining federation ships to gather and engage a badly damaged cube along with the Klingon armada. Perhaps a group of say ten abandoned starships could be put on auto pilot and crash themselves and destroy the cube.
I always knew McCoy dropped acid offscreen in sickbay.
Is it bad that the idea of a supreme human empire sounds kinda cool, where humans are the dominants
Time for reflection. 🖖
It is also possible, actually more like probable that The Terran Empire depicted in each Star Trek show was likely a different Universe.
play some star trek online there's a mystery on how the Terran Empire (2nd version) formed so fast even tho we see last of them in the episode Season 7 episode 12 " the emperor's new cloak". where we see Cardassian/Klingon Alliance surrenders to a small group of rebels but its weird since that episode is set during the dominion war in the prime universe
Why didn't the NX Enterprise have Vulcan shields rather than ionized hull plating?
(An oopsie in the writing of ENT Mirror ep.)
I just find it a surprise that the change in the Kelvin for STD turns humans to eating non human humanoid meat in the STD Terran universe as the biggest change
The Mirror Universe Empire could have it's beginning in a more brutal British Empire, especially IF that Empire retained it's American Colonies. The vast resources of North America coupled with the mighty British military could have Conquered the Earth. Their role model then would have been a Second Roman Empire, centered upon the English speaking Countries. This would also explain Mirror Universe Archer talking about an Empire that has endured for centuries. IF it was a Roman Empire that never fell, it would be far older than that.
I have seen evidence that Terran Empire start with British Empire, but I always lead on it based on Rome Empire. That it never fall in that universe.
Yes you are RIGHT Archer did said it started as political party in 1955 maybe it form a right wing party from the Rome Empire.
That seems unlikely as the British Empire eventually gave up being an empire. Mostly willingly. The devation couldn't happen basically anywhere past the enlightenment.
I would like to see a Mirror Universe where EVERYTHING was it's opposite. Vulcans who celebrate irrational revelry. Klingon as a race of hippies. Cardassians who embrace democracy and peaceful coexistence. Etc.
And the the whole galaxy living under the threat of the ultimate individualists: the Borg!
i would have loved to see a mirror universe series based after ds9
It's possible that in this alternate timeline the Romans conquered the entire globe, and for some reason renamed themselves to the Terran Empire. Branding? Just the use of the word "Terra" and the originally Roman salute that Hitler decided he'd use, another possible alternate is that Terra prime had come to be far sooner than it had in Enterprise, and the Vulcans had made First Contact long before they had in the movie.
So one possible route is: Towards the eleventh century, the Romans conquer and enslave the globe, rebranding to the Terran Empire, they advance exponentially quicker than we did, drawing attention from the Vulcans, say around the 1500s, Vulcans make first contact, and the humans overrun them, and begin working on space.
Please Lore Please cover the new TNG Mirror Comic Series
I really hope we see a star trek series post Voyager timeline so we can see the future of the terran empire n the future in general for were we had been left off .. enough with the prequels !!!
I found the Terran Empire of the 22nd century quite intriguing, with how they managed such a large empire so quickly. I also expect the "centuries" does refer to the mid-1900s, possibly to an expansion on Orwellian themes in the US (the self-proclaimed "defender of the [western hemisphere]" by that point).
The Terran Rebellion, I didn't find to be very compelling, honestly. I found it to be predictable, and I honestly don't really understand how they managed to stay in one piece with how much they seemed to fight among themselves.
+Mackenzie Beeney Humans are generally always written to be ..very effective..at infestation..
I mean, it's heavily implied (by the TOS episode's Nazi salute) that it was the actions of Kirk and the Guardian of Forever saving Geller that created that timeline. With the Nazis winning WWII, a lot of stuff comes together nicely.
I was wondering what happened to Khan in the mirror universe.
not bad, not bad at all, hoe many mirror universes have run across now!