Starship Lore: Vulcan Ships - The Vulcans, They Lie
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- What's up Lore Masters,
This is a breakdown of all the ships I never really got into when discussing the Vulcan ships.. They say they don't explore.. They Lie.
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Vulcans are not explorers in the same way that Starfleet is not a military
DAYUM! I see your logic there!
Word.
That would require hiring people that are actual star trek fans. That isn't happening anytime soon. They put out trash and they know we will watch it.
@@xKR33Px I haven't watched it and I don't intend to either from what I've heard it sucks ass and balls (and pussy too)
"Vulcans are not explorers in the same way that Starfleet is not a military"
Oh SNAP!
Vulcans: "You guys should just stay on Earth for now."
Humans: "But we want to grow up to be explorers, just like you-"
Vulcans: "Explorers!? pfft! Don't be silly! We do no such thing..." *pokerface*
Humans: "..."
Vulcans: "Don't make me delay your warp-drive tests by another decade!"
Why didn't someone just tell em to fuck off and keep out of their internal affairs
@@rhorynotmylastname7781 Mabey because all of mankind was to businey laghing at vulcan elf ears?
@@rhorynotmylastname7781 cuz without Vulcan protection someone like the Klingons or romulans would probably enslave us
Seems like we outpaced and due to lack of Pon Farr, outbred them. Funny all the star fleet designs, are based of human. Not Tellerite, Vulcan, or Andorian almost immediately after forming the fed. Not being a fed chauvinist. Honestly would’ve liked to see more cultures worked into the overall design of SF vessels.
@@rerobertson82 because humans like exploring, the other federation species were not or didn't care to explore. Earth was boring, if you weren't in starfleet u probably called a loser..🤣🤣
"LAUNCH FIGHTERS! We shall survey them!"
Not likely, RAISE SHIELDS, FIREON THOSE OIL SURVAYERS!
Death to the non pacifist ideas!
this is the most delightful thing i have read in awhile :)
surveying can be dangerous business
“Full power to weapons and prepare launch a cultural analysis”
I never saw enough of the Vulcan ships in "Enterprise" but loved their design. The cylindrical warp drive just makes more sense: in order to create a stable warp bubble around the ship, having nacelles that could flex and move, like Star Fleet does, would make it far more difficult for the two nacelles warp fields to interact with each other. One solid ring would keep the warp coils and other components in aliment so much better. Having a warp drive that could fold flat into the hull of a warship for its own protections would also be awesome.
Best of all, this ring-style warp drive looks so much like the proposed NASA /AsteronX Alcubierre-White Warp Drive ship that it makes me tingle!
ZOMBIE VULCANSSSSS!!!
AHHH!!!
@@slevinchannel7589 *_Aaaaaand then we have Resident Evil. Because yes._* -__- (I forgot, what was the excuse they used for that episode?)
The dipole moment of starfleet's configuration is much more powerful in projecting the field outside the immediate vicinity of the ship
Okay lets think about this logically. Volcans are extremely strong, if one of them is sick they may lose control of their emotions(as seen in all series) so being able to strap them down might come in handy for those really strong illogical ones
It wasnt the strapping vulcans down that confused me..its the one biobed for a crew of 140
@@LoreReloaded Volcans are very strong, its possible they don't get sick very often
or maybe it was budget cuts
@Lore Reloaded
vulcans are very efficient, they take turns getting sick.
@@TentaclePentacle It is illogical for more than one to get sick at a time
Oh come on, we all know that really repressed, prissy uptight types are often secretly kinky AF. Just observe how uncomfortable they are taking about pon farr.
"Canoes I guess" ᵒᵇᵉʳᵗʰ oberth OBERTH -- MY GOD HE'S RIGHT
They called them "Survey Ships" if by "survey" you mean "war". Because they're surveying the Andorians they're about to attack.
Military scouting is a type of survey.
Know the terrain and adapt to it, or go to battle against TWO enemies
so where do i put my name down for a warp powered canoe they sound like a whole lot of fun
I believe its here
th-cam.com/video/gIv-Etj_QDU/w-d-xo.html
==D
It makes sense Vulcan ships would change little- there is no logic in changing a proven design. Only emotional species would care about how the ship looks.
BirdOPrey5 This is where I think how Vulcans view logic is ultimately too restrictive and results in stagnation. As Tom Paris tells Tuvok when designing the Delta Flyer, if you build a ship that looks mean enough it will deter potential attackers. This is where Klingons and Romulans excel.
Are we any different? How long has the Boeing 747 aircraft or the B-52 bomber been in service? Decades, due to the robust designs of these craft, and will serve decades more. The Vulcans may see it as practicality as a new design is immensely expensive and time consuming in it's planning, development, testing, and finally implementation and fielding en masse. It's great to want the latest, but logic would dictate like with humans "don't fix what ain't broke".
What about that same damn bird of prey prop that’s been haunting us since 1980 and 5 different series. Haha
To the Vulcans, it would be logical to continue to use a proven design instead of something new. Or, as we say..."If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
resource conservation baby!
Re: designing a ship with a thousand year old design philosophy: being made of wood, *would* explain the Oberth classes ability to go up in flames so easily.
But think of the advantage a wooden starship would have.
"We are the Borg. Resistance is useless. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to...wood?! Your hull is actually made of _wood_ ?"
(Sound of 100,000 drones guffawing in unison)
"Never mind. Move along."
@@TheDetailsMatter lol
They would probably start to malfunction at the illogical nature of such a ship.
Gelato machines are most logical and important........
By the time Vulcans encountered earth they had quite a bit of territory, I assume they mean exploring new territory and the survey ships are used to examine stuff inside their territory that they didn't bother with yet.
I think the implication of the 3 ringed ship is supposed to be that even as part of the Federation, the Vulcans would continue to design and build ships based on their existing approach to warp technology. That we don't see any in the 23rd or 24th centuries would have to be put down to coincidence, since we see very few ships of any design crewed primarily by Vulcans in the first place.
We do though, atleast minimally. Disco had the Vulcan "Cruiser" (which really was more runabout). TNG had the transport ships the Romulans stole to launch their attempted invasion of Vulcan in Reunification, and then that class was used as a merchantman throughout DS9.
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Disco doesn't count because it was made after Enterprise.
Pretty sure humans also used ancient designs when designing new ships too.
I mean, the design for the Oberth was taken from the ancient terran design for TNT. And that ubiquitous saucer design? 50's flying saucers, which means Tom Parris is a time traveler and influenced every starfleet engineer. Great Tom, thanks for not giving us more Lightning Cannons!
It's a thing we seen in contemporary design too. Look no further than cars. Frequently we will take design cues of old models and put them into new ones. Look at the 2000's mustang that took design cues from the 60's mustangs, or the challenger, or the ford gt.
remember they were spying on andorians when they said that they were not, so... "they are not explorers" :D
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that instigated by a Romulan infiltrator? Sorry, it's been a long time.
I love your sense of humor you approach these discussions with! the first time I saw a Vulcan ship in ST: Enterprise, the warp drive nacelles reminded me of ONE of the designs producers were looking at for the design of the Enterprise TOS, before they settled on what is now the Constitution Class.
I always thought this Vulcan ship on Daniels' temporal computer to be contemporary to the Enterprise, since the computer was basically a Wikipedia database from the future with information on everything that came before...
Archer specifically nots that it doesnt launch for another 200-300 years I think So that ship wouldnt launch until the 2360s or 2460s, Latest we have in trek is the late 2300s
Vulcans lie a lot. And I *love* it. They have the entire galaxy wrapped around their fingers in believing 'vulcans do not lie'. It's genuinely beautiful.
Sith Infiltrator! Bwuhahaha! Maybe a stretch of the imagination, but I daresay that Vulcan ship designs and space-faring doctrines were both opposing and complimentary to their cousins, the Romulans. I think Vulcans did indeed dislike exploration and warfare. But having ships to fill both roles was necessary. After all, knowledge is power. And power is necessary for survival. Yet the Vulcans still possess traces of their barbaric ancestry. The predatory, sleek and imposing ship designs and cold logic made them brutal enemies if provoked. By and large, I like the Vulcan ship designs and aesthetics.
actually George Lucas and Lucasfilm/LucasArts helped design alot of the stuff for star trek ever since hte first film, in fact George Lucas gave alot of the story ideas and elements for enterprise as a whole... including the song at the start, but its a film idea more then a fan service thing so fair enough, i really like hte majority of his ideas,
i bring this up because i think they did sneak a sithe infiltrater design into star trek lol
although techniquely he helped them with his company ILM, aka industrial light and magic, which was another of the companies he helped head to provide fx stuff for film
The "Vulcan" book by Diane Duane explained a lot of it. Vulcans used to be very warlike, including telepathic and psychic wars. When Vulcans fought, they fought sneaky, and they fought *dirty*. And they've not all forgotten what they learned then.
they fought with intellectual viciousness in otherwords, no mercy, only fury, aka Romulans
And another thing...TH-cam needs to get this man free gelato. For life. That way he'll keep breaking things like this down for us. Keep up the good work, Lore Reloaded*. And thank you. Sincerely. Thank you.
Want to hurt a Vulcan's brain for lying? tell them this -
I am a Vulcan, and Vulcans lie.
You are not a Vulcan, and Vulcans do not lie.
4:30 for a Vulcan ship, it sure looks angry :O
Ugh! I'll bet if Lore Reloaded were tossed in a padded room for the rest of his life and he could only have one piece of technology... it'd be a gelato machine. He's obsessed with them.
Why not just make a ship that functions solely as a gelato machine?
Or a ship made of gelato?
I want a warp-capable Gelato Machine now.
Gelato, the final feontier. These are the voyages of the starship Gelato. Its continuing mission to explore strange new flavors, to seek out new toppings and new civilizations, to boldly make Gelato where no one has made Gelato before!
@@InfamousArmstrong lol
@@InfamousArmstrong You do know that it's Italian for Ice-cream? Not that I'm against it....
Engage. Warp Factor Gelato.
Ah yes, the ships with holes😅
I guess that's what the romulans copied
Stolen the tech!
So let's all join up in an inter species alliance and base all our future ship designs on those of the most primitive, least technologically advanced race in the union.
Or did humans with their irrational emotional approach to everything somehow develop the most efficient paradigm for long term upgradeability ?
Humans are the best at minor refits
I think in the long run (and in the beta canon), humans turned out to be the most "militaristic" (yes, even more so then the Andorians) and the most "proactive" and "expansionistic" of all the founding members, supplying more then 60-90% (depending on source) of the Star Fleet officer (or crew) personnel. So i guess this lead, to humans being the most influential culture in the design bureaus and SF HQ.
Think about it this way. Every other species looked out for their own but humans loved to run head on into action and problems but where will to hear out both sides of an argument and had the least skin in the game. They are also easy to underestimate and less we forget Starfleet is actually a United Earth human organization. It later takes on people from other species because it became the defacto cannon fodder of the Federation. Hey they started it let them take on the responsibilty of it all.
My friend had the theory that all the other races of the Federation just let the humans take lead because they pull off really crazy shit.
@@darwinxavier3516 lol Humanity is that kid you grew up with that some how survives to adulthood
To quite a long time passed away relative of mine..... "man, i don't even have an opinion..."
As for the designs them selves, they are quite unique and lovely (to my eyes), on top of being the only warp capable ship which has a nacelle configuration that somewhat resembles the Alcubierre drive.
Logic dictates that all but one patient in a ship-wide medical emergency must be treated in a standing position. The pretty ones get to sit down, but must be strapped tightly for their own safety.
You can't deny that the Vulcan ships do look cool.
Like you know not to mess with them
Does the Suurok Class and D'kyr Class always remind anyone else of the ships from the Covenant in Halo or is it just me?
I get a notion that the T'Plana'Hath class ship is more a mining or general purpose transport vessel than any kind of survey vessel. It's appearance indicates a purposeful design, with emphasis (it's outside pylon engine mounts) on possibly gathering minerals or other resources off of asteroids, planets and other bodies as well as transporting cargo and materials on and off planet. It also detected Cochran's warp test indicating it has specialized sensors and other equipment to serve such a purpose. It's similar in a sense to the Nostromo minus the cargo pod off of Alien.
6:58 "Ultimately, I find the Vulcan ships to be... intriguing."
Are you sure that you don't find them... fascinating?
Survey ships or "Survey" ships?
"this is not an invasion, we are... surveying... yes..."
So you're overly snarky and more than a little hyperbolic in some of your criticisms, but I finally subbed today because you know your stuff, your presentation is on point, you've got a great sense of humor and honestly...I love the "Make yours a good one" outro. Keep up the good work Lore Master =]
they don't like to explore
they like to survey
6:45 That's a pretty awesome looking ship though and I bet it's huge. I'd love a die cast replica of that one.
Awesome. I've always been curious about Vulcan ships.
Also what Vulcan had become compared to what it used to be are two very different things. I’ve watched the series a lot and it’s quite easy to see what it was becoming compared to what it did in the end.
You truly are the Videogamedunkey of syfy . Keep it up
hah, I find this one of the best compliments i've ever received.
@@LoreReloaded i binge you or dunkey whenever i go to sleep. Keep it up bruv
Excellent vid, Lore Master! This was the first video I saw since being released from ICU (long story). This was exactly what I needed to get my lore on.
How soon until the special gelato or the Federation / Gallifreyan specials?
It is, of course, logical to claim not to be an explorer and only scientists. The two, after all, are not linked in any way, and to think they are is a uniquely human idea.
Ummmm is there an explanation in the given as to why the Intrepid Class Axuillary Craft (visible on the underside of intrepid class ships) is being displayed in the Upper Left corner on that screen at 6:36?
It’s interesting that the Vulcans at this point were so powerful even the Klingons weren’t interested in a direct open war at the time. Perhaps the borders of their empire weren’t so nearby for it to be pressing but the power of the Vulcan Fleet was certainly a deterrent.
The canoe comment was especially funny because we DO still make Canoes based on the same design, but now made of plastics, perhaps with some improvements to stabilization and a place to hold your soda. We also still make sailboats (even though we have the motor). An old design is not necessarily a bad one, especially if it serves a purpose.
It all stands then!
Could you do a video on which Federation ship classes served in what years, specifically in which wars?
According to STO, the small support ship which comes with the D'kyr class is called a Tal'kyr class support craft, it's warp capable and seems the nacelle/s are the same as the D'kyr, the ring in the middle of the hull there.
I wonder if it might be a semantics type thing. Humans are explorers in that we have to know what is over that next hill. We saw Archer showing a sense of wonder at what Vulcans saw as commonplace. In short: Vulcans were more suveyors, cataloging and classifying things, while humans were explorers, always looking for the next new experience.
Hmm, so how did humans, being human, not just copy Vulcan designs ?
Either a bit of industrial espionage or just look closely for inspiration and base your designs off what you know already works (Just paint it a different colour) instead of reinventing the wheel.
Especially in the mirror universe where they had a complete Vulcan survey ship to take apart and reverse engineer, but somehow still ended up with a saucer and two nacelles layout, that was at least a lot tougher than Vulcan ships of the same era.
But then apparently evolved human sensibilities (or Vulcan cultural engineering, perhaps to prevent this very thing) has apparently rendered humans unable to reverse engineer ships, such as captured Suliban cell ships. Or even to hold onto captured ships when the enemy crew is still alive, such as Ferengi pirate ships.
This philosophy continues on into Federation culture till even in the 24th century, with a Nyrian biosphere ship that tried to steal Voyager by beaming them to a sealed habitat with a Translocator with a ten light year range through shields. When they capture the Nyrian ship, after returning all the prisoners, they don't rip it apart for tech and install their transporters - it's like reliable transwarp beaming with shield penetration that can do large scale transports at closer range, very very useful. "The crew of the attacking ship have just been translocated to our brig captain". But no, just leave the ship as is.
Damn Vulcans neutered humanity.
Maybe human designs came about because they were...
...more efficient? No, Vulcans wouldn't make something inefficient without a logical reason.
...economical? No. Vulcans wouldn't spend money without a logical reason.
...technologically inferior? No, they use essentially the same tech and Vulcans...
...OH FORGET IT! Vulcan's aren't logical.
Because ring warp do same thing in different way. When you put in place a sistem that work you are not determined to aquire another sistem that do same thing in different way. If i remember corectly, there are 7 different ways for obtaining faster than light speed used in Star Trek.
Every time I see a Suurok-class, I can't help but think of the Vulcan ship from Star Trek Legacy that you spend over 200 years chasing down, from Captain Archer's command of the NX-01 to just after the events of Nemesis with the Enterprise-E and Voyager team up.
Chairs with restraints? I guess those would come in handy for forcibly treating pon farr jitters.
I don't remember them saying that Vulcans don't explore. What they talked about was how Vulcans don't like to explore, if they don't have to. For instance, they say no point in exploring a nebula that they already knew about, and knew everything about it. Whereas humans wanted to physically be there. They basically liked using sensors. And their ships reflect that by having good sensors.
they say it outright a couple of times.
@@LoreReloaded Well, like I said, I don't remember them ever saying this. I do remember them saying and implying that they didn't explore for exploration sake, but for need for information. So, if there was no reason to explore something, they didn't. The perfect example of this is First Contact. The Vulcans already knew about earth. And they weren't even going to do a scan of any sort, because there was nothing to learn. At least, until they detected a warp field. Only then were they going to check us out.
What i want to know is why didnt humans build a circular warp nacelle ship if they knew the vulcans ships could do warp 7. Surely they would have thought "Hmm, they like it, so they put a ring on it. Now it goes really fast. Should we be building ringed ships?"
Perhaps it is a matter of perspective and scale. Earth, in just 2 warp-5 capable NX-class starships has been further from their home world than have Vulcan ships in just a few years. The space the Vulcans have explored has been rather extensively catalogued with the caveat that they only recorded points of interest; the charts accessible to Enterprise were either intentionally incomplete or the Vulcans did not record everything they discovered.
Given that Vulcan has been warp-capable for 10 centuries at a minimum since this is roughly the date that proto-Romulans left Vulcan to found the Star Empire home world of Romulus some 300 light years away. it would seem that Vulcans in the time frame of 1,000 years up to the dates of Enterprise could have explored all of the Alpha and Beta quadrants and perhaps even well into the Gamma and Delta quadrants. In that sense they are not explorers. but, everything within roughly ~200 light years has been explored extensively.
Why would you think the Romulans had warp drive to leave Vulcan? Diane Duane did a great book called "The Romulan Way" that explored Romulan history. They used generation ships, boosted by extremely skilled psychics to near light speed, and they almost didn't make it.
Well, because the Vulcans state that they have had warp drive for 1000 years in Star Trek Enterprise.
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I loved that book. In many ways, Diane Diane wrote the best history and background for the Romulans I’ve seen. To bad most of it isn’t canon.
The older vulcan ships are so interesting and different with the hoop shaped warp nacelles. It gives the effect of an engine cowling from the side
Forgive my ignorance, but could someone please explain the gelato machine reference?
Thanks in advance.
Given the location of the shuttle bay on the d'kyr, wouldnt folding the nacelle block the bay?
Humans / Starfleet's version of exploring : " Hey, let's go there and there and there and there and there , because ... why not ?!? "
Vulcan version of exploring :
"It is beneficial to us to explore for resources & accurate star charts. It is also beneficial to catalog sentient life close to the homeworld and categorize them as current / future neighbors or threats" .
I'm basing my view of Humans / Starfleet on all of the classic Trek shows ... , that can be summed up as "yeehaa , let's go! " .
As to the Vulcans -- Enterprise's early seasons mentioned "the Vulcan star charts" a lot, so there's that .
Also, considering that Vulcan, Earth and Andoria are relatively close, it's logical to assume two things :
The Vulcans didn't go too far from home, and in their initial explorations it didn't take them far before they encountered their fair share of trouble (Andorians & Klingons) -- all of which would play into their existing pragmatic and paranoid view of the galaxy and exploration .
So while the Vulcans didn't suffer from extreme bouts of paranoia and xenophobia as the Romulans, the impetus was there and the bad experiences were there .
With all that said, it must be pointed out that by Kirk's era, we had at least one Starfleet ship manned completely by Vulcans (group evolution) , and by Picard's era we had individual Vulcans serving in Starfleet (individual evolution) ... -- while they still maintained the 'group evolution' , as DS9 got us the T'Kumbra (misspelled ?) that also sounded like it might have had a full Vulcan crew (of baseball enthusiast) .
Since you're expanding into other series could you possibly do the Andromeda Ascendant? No one has really done it to date.
During the Vulcan story arc in ENT season 4, I'm pretty sure one of the sirenites (?) tells Archer that many thing he was told about Vulcans aren't true, and that the High Command used to be in charge of space exploration. I suppose that by the time the Vulcan government was taken over by the Romulans, Vulcan had explored a significant area around their homeworld, and then just continued surveying that area
FYI, you should check out U.S.S. Midway, if you're ever around the San Diego area. That ship had a crew of 1200-1500 iirc, and the sick bay has only about a dozen beds in it. Sick bay on a naval vessel is usually only for emergencies, and the rule for sick people is to stay in their own bunks, rather than making everyone else in sick bay sick.
Gotta say this is an interesting vid :)
Now for the Vulcans being "explorers" I'd say no as they're more just Cartographers if I remember right from Enterprise... The reason being is "if I'm remembering right" they don't go and look for X which is interesting they literally map out grid point by grid point making sure to take note of anything that may need further study.
No, they said that Vulcans need a logical and pragmatic reason to go look at something. Also, the NX Enterprise discovered the Vulcan star charts weren't very accurate. The captain and Trip had a whole discussion about that. Trip was wondering what was the point of going places others had already been to, and Archer tells him that those places are new to them, and also that some planetary system they just mapped isn't on the Vulcan star charts. Yes, I have no life, that doesn't mean I'm wrong...
There's always a Vulcan around when you need one!
Keep in mind that any of our seafaring ships are based on a hollowed out log. ;) They just became technologically advanced hollowed out logs... and made of metal alloys rather than wood. ;)
would it be possible to please do episodes on the Federation Typhoon class battleship and the federation Chimera class combat cruiser? those are STO universe,
I like that he makes a quote from doctor who at the end of each video
I did not know that that was their engines. I suppose I should have perhaps known that from the one entry in Star Trek calendar about the type of engine stay is but yeah no I didn't know that let alone that they fold down. Cool. Thank you.
Was the T'Pau only in the STO game?
If I remember this correctly, Vulcans did explore, but they didn't just follow their noses, like humans. The rings were far more efficient warp engines than nacelles, but they prevented the ships from changing course while at warp. That's why most species use nacelles, trading efficiency for flexibility. It was fine for the Vulcans though, as all their exploratory trips would be carefully and elaborately planned, and they would rarely deviate from these plans.
Vulcans are surveyors, not explorers. Explorers go into the thick of things while surveyors watch from afar.
The first ship to explore the gamma quadrant was a Vulcan ship
@Lore Reloaded
you mean survey the gamma quadrant.
6:56 There is an Aerowing class shuttle in the top left hand corner of the image
T'pol would just say "Vulcans never/don't..." just as excuses or to spite her human peers. In a similar manner in Worf.
I wonder if there landing craft is considered a shuttle from a main craft? Perhaps not interstellar or if it was, operated mainly with a main ship.
What about that ship of spock where red matter was?
Even a stay at home species may send out SPY ships to keep an eye on dangerous neighbours.
I have a special affection for open ring ships. Those Vulcan ships, Ori ships, yup. Love 'em.
funny that the ring is probably whats really needed for "warp" drive xD as you can see in the nasa concept of a warp ship
Oh no no no no no, my friend, Vulcans do not lie..
They might exaggerate, be economical with the truth, omit facts, be mistaken, forgetful or in error, but lie?
Nevair! :P
Saavik: _"... You lied!"_
Spock: "I exaggerated."
Vulcans: the most illogical logical race in the galaxy
I think when the Vulcans say they're not "explorers", they mean they don't have an urge to just go out and look at things at random like humans do. "Oh, look, a nebula... Let's make a detour before going to that gas giant we were gonna look at." Vulcans research, but they don't do it for curiosity or fun like humans
it wasn't so much that they didn't like to explore, it was more they didn't typically make contact with the people they found along the way unless something like say a ship hitting warp speed from a pre-warp civilization catches there attention.
Surak class, Suurok class, or the infamous Ciroc Lofton class ... The Vulcan ship classes are hard to keep track of.
I think the ship used by old then young Spock was hokey, with the spinning nacelles. (?) Have you covered it or is it non canon?
What about the jellyfish, and the tpau class?
When severely injured, I can imagine Vulcans losing control of their emotions, hence the restraining chairs. Triage, although more easily done while laying down, can be done sitting (regarding the patient). Why one bed? I'm guessing that intensive patients that need restraint and sedation get the spots closer to the equipment for immediate service, and that there might be another room less known of comprising an open space with several beds lined up for easy access; like cubicles in an office. A patient with a fractured bone or open wound gets the relaxed bed while the one in severe pain and losing the ability to focus and suppress their emotions get strapped down or straight up sedated. Since this may not be very common, I can see why there may not be so many of these.
Would you ever analyze ships from the various Gundam series?
What about the vulcan warpsled?
Modern ships, with the bulbous bows really do resemble triremes more closely than, say, a Spanish Galleon. And the raised wave breaker section and the bridge to the aft do make a lot of cargo ships look like canoes when you take off the bulbous bow section. So, honestly, I don't see a problem with the Vulcans repeating an ancient design if they felt like it.
vulcans can regenerate themselves and also pass their conscience along so I suppose medical bays are superfluous, but those chairs are probably useful for unscheduled pon far
6:50 we actually did and to some extent still do design and build ships with design elements that are thousands of years old. Sails for example, or the overall shape of the ship, rudders. Some things don't change, whether the reasons are practical or sentimental. Besides, ship design changed remarkably little in the span of a millenium depending on which one you look at.
What about the Vulcan ships from the TNG episode with Spock? The Romulans retrofitted some Vulcan ships and loaded then with ground troops to try and invade Vulcan. We see those in the second part.
I like to call that future Vulcan ship with the three rings the V'enn class, since it looks like a Venn diagram.
The vulcans went through a cultural shift after enterprise after archer helped them. So the vulcans in early enterprise being different from the other shows make sense. The Vulcans also saw the galaxy as a dangerous place that became friendlier with the creation of the Federation. They weren't alone against the klingons or the unknown any longer. Their philosophy was allowed to evolve.
I always thought of the Vulcan ship that met Mr Cochrane and crew, was a shuttle that came from a larger ship?
Its not impossible to dig up old designs for one reason or another. Sometimes engineering approaches that were dead ends in one era become viable when new tech makes them more feasible decades or even centuries later. Its possible the ring nacelle design had some benefit vs the pontoon style, maybe its more environmentally friendly, or it works more efficiently with whatever power source the future Vulcans dreamed up. Maybe they've gone to singularity drives like the Romulans and the ring nacelles work better with them.
I dunno, the Vulcans who were exiled/seceded decided to run "all the way" to Romulus, which we know canonically is spitting distance from Earth, which is spitting distance from Vulcan. Sure sounds like a race that doesn't like to go very far xD "Hey, we're a whole TWENTY LIGHT YEARS away! They'll never find us now!"
Vulcans: We don't like to explore
Also Vulcans: We made First Contact with humanity
Also Vulcans: We call most of our ships "survey vessels"
Hmmmmmmmmmm🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🖖🏻
The straps are for members experiencing Pon Farr! (I dunno better than nothing?)
When vulcans loose focus they might become violent - So having restrains in sick bay kinda makes at least some sense - yes it looks odd but it does have some logic behind in on few levels.
Yeah, i love the vulcan ships as well. The ring nacelle is a nice counter to the straight nacelle design. It is somewhat refreshing.
the downfolding warpcircle should be a design more used since it protects the Warpneccels while in battle and come on how often get those destroyed ?^^
I always took it as Vulcans never explored out of curiosity like Humans or Andorians, only for a specific purposes
IE, They scan planet after planet to find specific needed resources but if orbital scans didn't reveal anything useful,
They just left it alone until a new need arose that brought them back for more detailed surveys