@secoTheSonicFanwell to be fair it's made by an angel so it's probably more then we think if your referring to that heavy suit whis had made for Goku and Vegetas training.
Well, to be fair, this was 2013... If you tried to say outerversal Superman and universal (potentially higher) GT Goku at that point, people would probably look at you funny. The standards for powerscaling were just *waaay* different back then
The fact that they used the "the entire point of introducing them" quote from Kanzenshuu when it's literally written by a FAN on a forum shows that they don't actually do any proper research. What Toriyama actually said about introducing power levels is that it was too easy to determine the outcome of a match so he introduced power level fluctuation or what fans call ki control. That's it. And seeing as ki control existed in OG DB (all the way back with Roshi in his first ever kamehameha) it fit perfectly. The power levels are BS trope seems to be fans who took TFS as gospel and never understood how power levels worked in the first place. They probably used the fan quote too because most fans, even ones that debate literally don't bother to do research on the series or use critical thinking. You're also correct about SSJ4. It has no multiplier. In fact, Goku vs Baby achieved SSJ4 and THEN powered it up even more with the help of the others. It's impossible to tell how strong it is, it's just waaaay stronger than SSJ3. Goku went from getting fodderised by Baby while in SSJ3 to slapping him around and then beating Golden Oozaru Baby. Their 10x number is likely from the Oozaru multiplier in which, we don't even know if Golden Oozaru is 10x. It makes more sense for it to be 500x seeing as it's Oozaru stacked on with SSJ itself. But again, that's not even clarified. Just a point on the Cooler movie IT, that translation is incorrect. It says it SEEMS to be interpreted as passing through a different space that transcends time. Not that that is exactly what is happening. This is also the exact same thing as the otherworld so according to that logic, any who dies, yes even regular humans would have immeasurable speed which we know is not the case. Otherworld really does debunk any "speed feat" using dimensions without time. It's like saying Naruto characters think at immeasurable speeds because they have entire conversations while no time physically passes. Lastly, the Suguro realm has no size stated and even King Kais planet transcends space and time according to the guides. So it doesn't mean it's literally infinite. It can't be used as an AP feat unless second form Cell=GT base Goku? It's a blanket statement used to display things out of humans reach/comprehension.
The thing I hated most from this video was the whole “Superman has infinite power” nonsense. Just like Goku, Superman has growing power, not infinite. It’s just that Superman gains power from the Sun, while Goku gains power through training and zenkai boosts, but they both still have limits. That whole thing was nothing more than a cop out.
@@RealHyperHedgehog Technically, Goku does canonically have infinite power. This is because the DB living universe is stated to be infinite multiple times. To destroy it, you would need infinite power.
Any real fan of both Superman and dbz knows goku would win. Superman lost to wonderwomen because she now how to fight like a true warrior unlike superman.
@@edwardsmith3274 Not really no,the majority of Supermen would slam GT Goku & any other Goku besides the Super one,even DBS Goku gets clapped by 2-3 Supermen. In strongest versions,Superman slams Goku and if you say otherwise you’re just glazing,on the other hand DBS Goku beats every other version of Superman including the ones shown in the DeathBattles.
@@lucasljs1545 Base GT Goku is complete fodder to anything SSJG BoG level and above. That Suguro feat isn't what you guys think it is. It only has 1 in universe statement even touching on it's size and that's by saying if you get lost you'll wonder forever. The exact same statement stated about the earth sized RoSaT. Goku destroyed a realm of unknown size. Wow. The same statement of "beyond space and time" is a blanket statement that is used to describe otherwolld, including where King Kai resides. So second form Cell now is above space and time? The statement means nothing but it's beyond human comprehension which is why the Cooler speed feat means nothing also. The only other feat, shaking hell is all well and good until you realise DB established that just because you can shake something doesn't mean you can destroy it and that's all the way back in the Saiyan arc. Base GT Goku has w**k and only w**k to get him above what he actually is. BoG SSJG level characters and above are more than capable of fodderising the entirety of GT, especially when you take Omegas own statements, supposed feats and the perfect files into consideration whcih they all have consistent galaxy-over time universal scaling.
I feel like they just don't know how math works, its not even the power scaling that bothers me its the fact these are grown men. Who graduated who still don't know how to do math. You earned a Sub homie.
Hey that ss4 multiplier they used may have come from the dragon ball wiki as it said ss4 was 4000x base I don't know if it still says that but before that video came out I remember seeing that number on the wiki
In a recent influx of an Goku-Look-Alike vs Caped Man Debunk Videos, this is the one that stood out to me the most Mainly due to it being Goku and not Bardock lmao
I said explicitly in the video that I won't use material after the videos release date. So nothing from Dragon Ball Super matters, in the context of this video.
I might know where they got the 10x multiplier for Super Saiyan 4. Goku has an attack called the 10x Kamehameha. This is just a Kamehameha that's ten times the strength of the original technique and not for the transformation. This is where I often see people get the idea of it being a 10x multiplier. I've never heard of it being 10x super saiyan 3 outside of death battle though.
According to both the narrator and Sugoro, Sugoroku space was already collapsing when Goku broke out of it which makes sense given the moment that dimension started collecting Goku regained all of his powers, if Goku had regained his powers while Sugoroku space was still intake then I would have given it to him.
Ah. Actually, it was the GAME that was collapsing. See, Sugoroku is a Japanese board game. It's a bit complicated, but "Sugoroku Space" is actually a sort of limbo equivalent in eastern mythology, ruled by Shinigami, who's voices we can actually hear in GT.
Back then dragon ball was seen as the only anime that had planet busters and DC was just seen as planetary-star lvl. No one believed in the concept of "infinite power of speed"
@@Unremarkable6969Anything that wasn't animated was Rarely used, Databooks weren't used until this video came out, Power scaling as a whole didn't blow up until this video. No one cared about "canon" for dragon ball only for some reason. Also most databooks/guides weren't even translated yet, Fans would go on and do it themselves later. This video is truly a time capsule.
I've heard Superman also got treated poorly, in terms of scaling. Unfortunately, I don't know too much about Superman feats and scaling, so I can't comment too much on that.
The immeasurable speed feat with instant transmission kinda sucks. Massive outlier, and instant transmission there is just him going into another realm with a different time in it
@@ohhellwhereami2574 One, Light speed Dyspo is from the T.O.P. which came out years after the original video, so that can't be considered. Two, DBS and DBGT are two different continuities, so feats from one character in DBS doesn't apply to a character in DBGT. Also, Dyspo isn't actually capped at the speed of light. It's just a fancy name, like God of Destruction.
I honestly have no idea why they would use the Gero bomb as a durability test aside from wanting to have a fake number to represent a Incredibly low ball for Goku... Taking into Gero's words (If I remember correctly) The bomb was based off of Goku's Vegeta fight... BEFORE he left for Namik... and without knowing what he was fully capable of 'DURING' that battle... the bomb was 'At best' able to take out Goku before he defeated/Killed King Picclo, or even after his fight with Raditz but no way could that be used to test 'Base' Goku's Physical Durability. Also, using sheer force as an idea for durability.... Wouldn't it make sense that if Goku could punch through a planet or hit someone that could take the destruction of one, or even oh say..... a Demention, then he'd have to be able to 'TAKE' that amount of damage too? Since it's rarely that Dangerous for Superman (As far as I'm aware of considering how many 'Destroyers of detentions' their 'MIGHT' be in DC) Goku has a more solid and MUCH more reliable line of dangers that he's fought up through, and Superman has a lot more Inconsistent dangers/Threats to try and Identify.... also saying Sup's has no limits is kind of asinine cause then he'd never be threatened by anything, and he's threatened by 'ALOT' of things, he's not invincible, the Writers just need to find better ways to show that side of him.
only reason why i dont let these VS videos get to me is cause they are biased and just a means to press everyones buttons. I just ignore the videos cause they are BS to begin with.
@@ohhellwhereami2574 Not really, I'm open to all. Just when you don't use all of the facts to justify your agenda and just press everyone's buttons by letting one side win. I don't call that fair. And this isn't just me. If they did draws then this wouldn't be an issue on how they represent our characters that we actually know a lot about.
This video is actually really good. The scaling you did for Goku doesn't make him cap at "low multiversal" like stupid people believe. It's actually consistent with the show that he's beyond that. Me personally, I think superman loses to Goku but still, this video is really good. If you have discord, I could actually enlighten you on GT being canon because you did say that "you could argue GT is after super" There's actually a lot of evidence for this and we can discuss it if you like 🙏 Great video. Please make more content 🗣️🗣️🗣️
1. Where is the evidence for any of this 2. We need to actually look up the definition of choreography. It is the sequence of physical movements. Yes, Goku and Beerus did fight but just because it's stated to be "choreography" doesn't mean the feats are invalid or didn't happen as a legitimate plot point for both anime and manga. This is a non sequitur. 3. Your argument presupposes ALL STAFF have all the knowledge of dragon ball which isn't true. The argument contradicts himself saying it's HIS OPINION. And this opinion is not reliable. 4. Please seperate AP from DC. yes, moros self destruct would only destroy the galaxy but that doesn't mean it's AP can't be higher that another false equivalence fallacy. 5. Who tf cares about lifting strength
@secoTheSonicFan 6. Even if what he did say IS TRUE, the anime contradicts that and Gokus power and intellect was the very reason the universe wasn't destroyed. Stop downplaying dragon ball please. Respect both narratives. Even characters from DBZ can destroy the universe... 😭😭😭 They weren't just shaking the universe, they were outright threatening to destroy it and Goku saved everyone by cancelling out beerus' power
@secoTheSonicFan Using "writing" defeats the purpose of power scaling. We use their strongest feats to find out who wins but writing in itself is still important in SOME WAYS. It's not the power scaling motto. Stop stereotyping Goku AND Superman's character from death battle... Superman 99% is fighting a foe he's easily able to beat when Goku is always in a challenge. Get Good.
@secoTheSonicFanhere's the thing the feat holds up considering buuhan was stated to threaten to shatter the universe when he did that vice shout with the shield that forced super Vegito to punch through it actually trying a bit. God Goku would be leagues above that feat it holds up well
SS4 not having a multiplier is wrong. The Ultimate form is a form that draws the potential BEYOND it's limits unlike SS4 which draws to it. And in the Toei Continuity Ultimate is a Saiyan Mutation transformation which does have a multiplier, but is only above SS2 and weaker than SS3 which is 4x stronger than SS2.
Also the Golden Ozaru is far above 50 x 10. In the Manga SSG3 was 10 times stronger than SSG2 but I believe in the Anime it scales far higher. It's stated that the Golden Ozaru was unlocking his dormant power, which that same dormant power was used in the Piccolo Daimao Arc with the Ozaru Power.
still the superman they used was post crisis superman vs gt goku post crisis superman slams goku. for starters in speed, he destroyed reality warping missiles before Lois first heartbeat which makes him far faster than goku he and golden age superman were breaking reality while fighting you can give the same feats to post crisis superman like silver age superman breaking the bounds of infinity or the time he tanked a the big bang and then destroys a ship that also tanked that big bang or golden age superman tanking the anti-matter universe. the reason you can give those feats to post crisis superman is because he is equal to silver age superman and golden age superman why because golden age superman fought both silver age superman and post crisis superman and both fight where a draw, so all three supermen are equals. and silver age superman can sneeze away a solar system and no he wasn't amp by magic silver age superman super breath has shown to push planets and blow out stars casually he states, and I quote: I'm not even out of breath and that was no birthday candle! I must find a harder job.
7:02 this is not speed this is hax they were catching each other cause they both knew the technique if cooler didn’t know it but he still somehow could catch goku or reach the space then that would have been a speed feat 7:19 it’s not canon since this is 5th movie cooler not 6th movie metal cooler 7:21 they aren’t, never were and never will be 8:26 he never blew up suguroku space he just blew a hole in it while it was already collapsing 8:45 it scales nowhere and it’s never implied to be an higher dimension heck since goku literally fell into it and it was collapsing on it’s own it’s more likely a lower dimension 8:54 he never created the dead zone he just opened a portal for the dead zone 9:07 says that while using guidebooks and advertisements
@@mynameisntimportant1374 holy fuckles, you downplay this shit hard man. 1. It is a feat, because it's not like they're granted some immunity because they know the technique. The space transcends time, and instant transmission is confirmed to be instant. Reacting and fighting in that space with 0 time would be an immeasurable speed feat. 2. The reason movie 5 Cooler appears is the same reason final form Freeza appears in the Z anime, and not Mecha Freeza. Also, if you remember Return of Cooler, the Meta-Cooler wasn't the real Cooler, he was inside the Big Gete Star. They are, in fact all the films are canon to GT, confirmed via the GT Perfect Files. He did blow up Sugoroku Space. If you actually watched the episode, you would understand what Sugoroku Space actually is. It's not the game, Sugoroku Space is actually a concept in Eastern Mythology, sort of like Limbo. Goku, in the Japanese version, even asks if the river sanzu resides here, which is another concept from eastern mythology. The realm is also ruled by Shinigami, the caretakers we hear in those episodes. Again, if you actually watched the episode, you would know that the Caretakers were collapsing the game so Goku and Co. would be forced to wander essentially Limbo forever, so Goku destroyed the entire thing. He did create the Dead Zone, it is stated multiple times that he did. The only source saying it's a portal is some old Dragon Ball roleplaying book. Do your research, maybe?
@ 1. They are only reacting cause they know the technique their speed is pratically unchanged from the their normal speed ( which is finite in the movies ) 2. Not canon especially with super retconneting this and he still wouldn’t look like his normal self from the 5th movie 3. None of them are confirmed canon by literally no source 4. No he didn’t it was already collapsing and wow literally not what it is in dragon ball and you’re conceding the space was already collapsing and all goku did was creating an exit out of it 5. And literally debunked in the lore of the first movie when you realize it existed since garlic jr father was alive ( but then again db fans don’t actually watch the show ) Quite literally did at your place
I think goku beats superman but dimensional scaling is not scientifically valid something having a higher dimension just grants a additional axis of movement not power. The most that would do would be making something have more volume due to taking up more space, but volume is not the same as mass which is what matters. A 3d object for example would not have infinite 2d mass, the 3d object just has a extra axis to take up space in. Its the same way a sponge may be bigger but not necessarily have more mass than a rock. As to how we can compare 2d and 3d mass? We can't. There is no scientific theory for it, and it certainly doesnt work like how some powerscalers think. In fact in things like string theory higher dimensions are compacted and dont scale anywhere. And some scientists belive that things like photons and black holes may be 1 to even 0 dimensional and both can effect 3d matter. Plus the same way it is said a square would be infinitely flat in 3d space it can also be said that it would be infinitely *wide* instead. or even that how wide or flat it is wouldn't be 0 or infinity but outright not applicable. This is because there is again no scientific theory for different dimensional objects interacting, a 2d object isnt an infinitely flat 3d one its a object that lacks the thrid axis making thinking of it in a 3d space inherently counterintuitive to outright impossible. So yeah TLDR: good video but dimensional scaling isnt good, its psudo science nonsense
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah I also understand fiction it doesn't have to be realistic, but even then I think we can all agree basically no author writes dimensions to work like dimensional scaling. Like if a story was all like "higher dimensions are infinitely stronger than weaker" ones I'll just say fair enough. But often even the opposite happens where we have lower-D characters like culex from mario, most of the paper mario cast, Bill cipher, dr. Manhattan etc being stronger than higher-D characters in-story. It's why I personally just prefer sticking to author intent since of of them just think "Oh cool trippy sci-fi concept, neat"
@@burkinaview1228 I thought that too, but I cut it out cause that didn't make sense. A ten times Kamehameha is ten times a regular Kamehameha. SSJ4 Goku still uses regular Kamehameha's
@@Unremarkable6969 I saw in sparking zero goku uses kaioken to boost his kamehameha in ssj4 to 10X and even 20X. Edit: sorry, that was blue that uses kaioken
I mean tbh Superman speed is capable of going instantly to the soruce wall wich is outside the infinite multiverse wich surpasses massively anything Goku could do speedwise and he still can't turn back time but tbh the biggest thing against Superman is how fucking inconsistent he is.
Movie goku could be interrupted in instant transmission by metal cooler which is stated to be instantaneous only for goku to surpass it thoroughly by end of movie where he over exhaust the power source for seemingly infinite metal cooler which is not even peak of movie goku not to mention if you could count eoz and gt on top of it
@@ohhellwhereami2574 he surpasses slighly one basic level of ifinity,Superman can travel the multiverse instantly ad even exiting reaching the source wall
@@affaaffaafjkfabhjkfa slightly?? He's tier above infinite at bare minimum if you take the scene too literally you could theorize to be immeasurable But just as i said that's just android saga goku in movies he gets a hella ton powerful via composite
SS4 is not a multiplayer. SS4 is the peak the Sayans can get, he is a determined top tier, there is nothing higher. To get the transformation they need to completely control their Sayan Blood, Power and Emotions. And after that they need to perfect the form, something Goku did receiving power from his descendants. There is no mult with SS4, he is the strongest a sayan will ever be and that's it. The perfect form Sayan. People who claim "muuh this is stronger than SS4" simple don't understand what the SS4 is. "muuh blue" "muuh god" "muuh ultra instinct" that's all dumb. The base strength have no effect on SS4, he can train more but it is meaningless, he will not become stronger because there isn't stronger. The only stronger we see is SS4 gogeta that is a fusion of 2 SS4, and even the fusion can't last long at all.
He's the strongest a Saiyan can get....in GT. DBS literally surpasses all Saiyan capabilities by introducing the god forms. The fact GT's strongest hypothetical attack is overtime universal and was going to be done by someone stronger than SSJ4 Goku while SSJG BoG Goku already has a feat literally infinitely above that shows your theory is wrong. Sorry to break it to you.
i keep it simple superman could keep up untill ssj3 somewhere beyond that superman wouldnt handle goku because ssj3 is already a universal treat beyond ssj3 he becomes a multiverse treat. the normal superman we know is a galaxy power at best,and yes i know people wil say but he can punch reality and so i say at some point the writters just started making up nonsense. og superman is galaxy lv at best. atm goku in ssjblue or UI is a vast multiverse treat he far surpast superman,the only version of superman that can potencial keep up is that latest cosmic robot superman but thats not superman humself annymore. i always say that the dragonball power scale is just far above most comics and movies,hek krillin himself is already on par with charcs like luke cage and he is one of the weakest dragonball charc while luke cage is already upper tear in marvel.
the normal actual canon and current superman (infinite frontier Superman) is outerversal and way above anything DB ever showed, there is a biggest gap between Goku MUI and Superman than a gap between me and Goku if you want a comparison. no need to talk about CA superman since his base forme is enough. not to mention that base superman is propably not even top 100 of the strongest comics character, even Thor, Centry or Legion could handle the whole db verse alone. Luke cage is fodder tier wtf??? You have no idea of what you are talking about, and Krillin just one shot Luke Cage bro.
@@EdgeyStyle the original comics Super is stronger than Infinite Frontier, like comically stronger. And base GT Goku literally destroy higher dimensions, something that Infinite Frontier Super don't even know exist.
@@lucasljs1545 In the original comics Supe can't fly, and Infinite Frontier is litterally all of his cannon form merged into one by the way, he has outerversal and creation feats, no one in DB is even close to that, Zeno's feat is no where close. Goku GT not only never destroyes higher dimension but is caped at universal+ (to low multiversal if we include the other world inside an universe), that's why the joke of base cabba destroy Gogeta SSj4 came to life because base Cabba is relative to base vegeta (even if he got one shotted by frieza and vegeta ssj) that is low multiversal. So again, Goku GT cap at universal to low multiversal at best.
@@Unremarkable6969bro gt Goku in base stomped cell who is multi solar😭😭 base gt Goku bruh and the revenge death ball destroyed the Kai Kai realm which is outside of space and time😭😭🙏
They claimed they use thr strongest version of each, with Supes you have Cosmic Armor Superman (aka Thought Robot) or thr Superman 1 Million Prime, former is like fusion of Superman and Ultraman, the latter is far alternative future counterpart of a alternative universe. Neither version would be a good representation of Supes. As with Cosmic armor you basicially would need Goku fused with a evil counterpart of his (at time of 1st Deathbattle Goku Black didn't exist yet, only Turles, but he wouldn't fit that bil). With Superman 1 Million Prime you basically have Goku at the end of GT during the Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr fight, but that Goku we see now feats. They claim 2 use more Superman 1 Million and his feats (with power of Cosmic Armor slightly with it) and give look of normal Superman (aka a weird Amalgam Superman) vs a average Goku. Either i member on their own forums someone debunked their vid with upscaled Superman (but without using Superman 1 Million and Cosmic Armor BS with it) and downscaling Goku and Goku still won the fight. Either from a interview Akira stated that Super Saiya-Jin was 10 X stronger than the previous powerup, basing it on fact that Akira thought the 50 X was 2 low of powerup from base, after the interviewer suggested it after Akira mentioned that it was a 10X boost in power AT THAT MOMENT Goku transformed. Making it 10 X the 20 X Kaio-Ken = 200 X base power for that moment in time that Goku turned Super Saiya-Jin, meaning either the multipler isn't a set thing. But even it is a set thing, the 200 X does make more sense compared 2 the 50 X, as with the 200 the 3rd form of Freeza actually have a power increase or else Freeza's 4th form at 1% would be 1.2 Million, while 2nd form is at 1.06 Million (as it was stated 2 be a double from 1st form at 530,000), so with 200X Super Saiya-Jin multipler makes Freeza either stronger with it. Goku BREAKS through limits though. But Deathbattle does more rule of kewl than rule of facts.
@@bigtrec1794 I'm 99% sure I said that the point of this video isn't to prove that Goku beats Superman. Honestly, I don't know enough about Superman to make that claim. But what I do know is that the DB videos get a lot of information wrong. And I think it's fine to correct that.
@@Unremarkable6969 I phrased my comment very poorly, and for that I apologize. I meant that in more of a general sense and I didn't mean to direct all of that towards you. But I failed to articulate that. That's on me.
its the other way arround superman isnt as strong as they thought,superman in the 90's had trouble with metallo metallo is like andriod 17 and 18 ssj2 could already beat them with ease. dragonball power scaling is just worlds above marvel or dc comics
@@TheManFromJupiter he legit says " I'm not saying Goku beats superman" the video doesn't cover "why GOATku one taps superfraud" it covers the mistakes made by deathbattle like there awful speed scaling
@@TheManFromJupiter if you dont care so much why did you bother replying to me jackass dont say dumbshit when you hear a opinion you dont like then try to switch up with "i dont care" the millisecond you hear a point you cant debunk like a child
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Got you bro 😭😭
I gotchu bro 🙏😭 Also I might have to buy you a new mic if you dont because that mic quality is sorry as hell 😔
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We got a new Goku VS Superman 1 Debunk before GTA 6 💀
@@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2 gonna probably get Goku VS Superman 2 and 3 debunks before then too
@@Unremarkable6969 il be waiting....
@secoTheSonicFan Read the manga.
7:50 "How about you number some bi-"
That one was wild 😭
Actually fire work man. I hadn't thought about this fight in an age and this made me realise the shit they gave Goku. Good job man, new sub
@secoTheSonicFanwell to be fair it's made by an angel so it's probably more then we think if your referring to that heavy suit whis had made for Goku and Vegetas training.
Thank you for informing the people who dont know how to scale DB that GT is the final series (for now)
Well, to be fair, this was 2013...
If you tried to say outerversal Superman and universal (potentially higher) GT Goku at that point, people would probably look at you funny. The standards for powerscaling were just *waaay* different back then
@@CalebWhite-l6n fair enough, people still have a hard time comprehending the DB Macrocosm, which is comprised of multiple infinity-sized spaces.
That mic physically hurt me... Good video though
“They either die or they don’t, it doesn’t matter” 😂😂😂
The fact that they used the "the entire point of introducing them" quote from Kanzenshuu when it's literally written by a FAN on a forum shows that they don't actually do any proper research. What Toriyama actually said about introducing power levels is that it was too easy to determine the outcome of a match so he introduced power level fluctuation or what fans call ki control. That's it. And seeing as ki control existed in OG DB (all the way back with Roshi in his first ever kamehameha) it fit perfectly. The power levels are BS trope seems to be fans who took TFS as gospel and never understood how power levels worked in the first place. They probably used the fan quote too because most fans, even ones that debate literally don't bother to do research on the series or use critical thinking.
You're also correct about SSJ4. It has no multiplier. In fact, Goku vs Baby achieved SSJ4 and THEN powered it up even more with the help of the others. It's impossible to tell how strong it is, it's just waaaay stronger than SSJ3. Goku went from getting fodderised by Baby while in SSJ3 to slapping him around and then beating Golden Oozaru Baby. Their 10x number is likely from the Oozaru multiplier in which, we don't even know if Golden Oozaru is 10x. It makes more sense for it to be 500x seeing as it's Oozaru stacked on with SSJ itself. But again, that's not even clarified.
Just a point on the Cooler movie IT, that translation is incorrect. It says it SEEMS to be interpreted as passing through a different space that transcends time. Not that that is exactly what is happening. This is also the exact same thing as the otherworld so according to that logic, any who dies, yes even regular humans would have immeasurable speed which we know is not the case. Otherworld really does debunk any "speed feat" using dimensions without time. It's like saying Naruto characters think at immeasurable speeds because they have entire conversations while no time physically passes.
Lastly, the Suguro realm has no size stated and even King Kais planet transcends space and time according to the guides. So it doesn't mean it's literally infinite. It can't be used as an AP feat unless second form Cell=GT base Goku? It's a blanket statement used to display things out of humans reach/comprehension.
The thing I hated most from this video was the whole “Superman has infinite power” nonsense. Just like Goku, Superman has growing power, not infinite. It’s just that Superman gains power from the Sun, while Goku gains power through training and zenkai boosts, but they both still have limits. That whole thing was nothing more than a cop out.
@@RealHyperHedgehog Technically, Goku does canonically have infinite power. This is because the DB living universe is stated to be infinite multiple times. To destroy it, you would need infinite power.
Japanese soldier who kept fighting 29 years after World War II
Other than you being a decade late w this,this was a perfect debunk,relatively short & to the point,i wish we had guys like you back in 2013 lol
Any real fan of both Superman and dbz knows goku would win. Superman lost to wonderwomen because she now how to fight like a true warrior unlike superman.
@@edwardsmith3274 Not really no,the majority of Supermen would slam GT Goku & any other Goku besides the Super one,even DBS Goku gets clapped by 2-3 Supermen.
In strongest versions,Superman slams Goku and if you say otherwise you’re just glazing,on the other hand DBS Goku beats every other version of Superman including the ones shown in the DeathBattles.
@@mvp746 "any other Goku besides the Super one"
Base GT Goku is stronger than any Super one, what are you talking about?
@@lucasljs1545 ngl thats funny bruh
@@lucasljs1545 Base GT Goku is complete fodder to anything SSJG BoG level and above. That Suguro feat isn't what you guys think it is. It only has 1 in universe statement even touching on it's size and that's by saying if you get lost you'll wonder forever. The exact same statement stated about the earth sized RoSaT. Goku destroyed a realm of unknown size. Wow. The same statement of "beyond space and time" is a blanket statement that is used to describe otherwolld, including where King Kai resides. So second form Cell now is above space and time? The statement means nothing but it's beyond human comprehension which is why the Cooler speed feat means nothing also. The only other feat, shaking hell is all well and good until you realise DB established that just because you can shake something doesn't mean you can destroy it and that's all the way back in the Saiyan arc. Base GT Goku has w**k and only w**k to get him above what he actually is. BoG SSJG level characters and above are more than capable of fodderising the entirety of GT, especially when you take Omegas own statements, supposed feats and the perfect files into consideration whcih they all have consistent galaxy-over time universal scaling.
I feel like they just don't know how math works, its not even the power scaling that bothers me its the fact these are grown men. Who graduated who still don't know how to do math. You earned a Sub homie.
@secoTheSonicFan 1000 ton of what?
Hey that ss4 multiplier they used may have come from the dragon ball wiki as it said ss4 was 4000x base I don't know if it still says that but before that video came out I remember seeing that number on the wiki
Mm, I think they did list that as one of their sources.
amazing video man! i can’t believe you put this together and it didn’t blow up!
I mean 1K views in like a day? I'm pretty happy with that.
In a recent influx of an Goku-Look-Alike vs Caped Man Debunk Videos, this is the one that stood out to me the most
Mainly due to it being Goku and not Bardock lmao
While the numbers for both where horrendous, I will say the presentation and fight still holds up.
I said explicitly in the video that I won't use material after the videos release date. So nothing from Dragon Ball Super matters, in the context of this video.
I do love the fight, actually.
I might know where they got the 10x multiplier for Super Saiyan 4. Goku has an attack called the 10x Kamehameha. This is just a Kamehameha that's ten times the strength of the original technique and not for the transformation. This is where I often see people get the idea of it being a 10x multiplier. I've never heard of it being 10x super saiyan 3 outside of death battle though.
According to both the narrator and Sugoro, Sugoroku space was already collapsing when Goku broke out of it which makes sense given the moment that dimension started collecting Goku regained all of his powers, if Goku had regained his powers while Sugoroku space was still intake then I would have given it to him.
Ah. Actually, it was the GAME that was collapsing. See, Sugoroku is a Japanese board game. It's a bit complicated, but "Sugoroku Space" is actually a sort of limbo equivalent in eastern mythology, ruled by Shinigami, who's voices we can actually hear in GT.
The ssj4 multiplier is a baseless fan rumor, Pretty common in the old days of dbz scaling.
Yeah, figured
I thought it was people just slappign the oozaru multiplier onto ssj4 tbh
Isn't the SSJ4 multiplier roughly within the 500 thousand range due to Golden Ape Baby being amplified with a thousand times concentrated blutzwave?
Back then dragon ball was seen as the only anime that had planet busters and DC was just seen as planetary-star lvl. No one believed in the concept of "infinite power of speed"
Fair enough, but it's still very amateur, considering a whole list of feats and statements. But still.
@@Unremarkable6969Anything that wasn't animated was Rarely used, Databooks weren't used until this video came out, Power scaling as a whole didn't blow up until this video.
No one cared about "canon" for dragon ball only for some reason.
Also most databooks/guides weren't even translated yet, Fans would go on and do it themselves later.
This video is truly a time capsule.
Honestly, Death Battle gravely messed up *BOTH* of them
I've heard Superman also got treated poorly, in terms of scaling. Unfortunately, I don't know too much about Superman feats and scaling, so I can't comment too much on that.
Base cabba vs Superman 🙏 (he's avenging goku)
@@PooPooDoggo Base Cabba slams 🥱
Please Cabba I need this you're kinda too strong...
@Twin-Moon-Knight82this is cap unless you're talking about ttg robin
@Twin-Moon-Knight82 some robin do best him tho but there's no versus of cabba that beats composite robin
They have said it later on that Goku's speed has a typo that's why his base and his SS2 speed calc is the exact same
That's what they all say...
The immeasurable speed feat with instant transmission kinda sucks. Massive outlier, and instant transmission there is just him going into another realm with a different time in it
@@Puggo8452 Outlier how?
@@Unremarkable6969light speed dyspo is considered the best
@@ohhellwhereami2574 One, Light speed Dyspo is from the T.O.P. which came out years after the original video, so that can't be considered. Two, DBS and DBGT are two different continuities, so feats from one character in DBS doesn't apply to a character in DBGT. Also, Dyspo isn't actually capped at the speed of light. It's just a fancy name, like God of Destruction.
@@Unremarkable6969 k
I honestly have no idea why they would use the Gero bomb as a durability test aside from wanting to have a fake number to represent a Incredibly low ball for Goku...
Taking into Gero's words (If I remember correctly) The bomb was based off of Goku's Vegeta fight... BEFORE he left for Namik... and without knowing what he was fully capable of 'DURING' that battle... the bomb was 'At best' able to take out Goku before he defeated/Killed King Picclo, or even after his fight with Raditz but no way could that be used to test 'Base' Goku's Physical Durability.
Also, using sheer force as an idea for durability.... Wouldn't it make sense that if Goku could punch through a planet or hit someone that could take the destruction of one, or even oh say..... a Demention, then he'd have to be able to 'TAKE' that amount of damage too? Since it's rarely that Dangerous for Superman (As far as I'm aware of considering how many 'Destroyers of detentions' their 'MIGHT' be in DC) Goku has a more solid and MUCH more reliable line of dangers that he's fought up through, and Superman has a lot more Inconsistent dangers/Threats to try and Identify.... also saying Sup's has no limits is kind of asinine cause then he'd never be threatened by anything, and he's threatened by 'ALOT' of things, he's not invincible, the Writers just need to find better ways to show that side of him.
only reason why i dont let these VS videos get to me is cause they are biased and just a means to press everyones buttons. I just ignore the videos cause they are BS to begin with.
Exactly thank you man, it's just a way to get anime and DC fans to fight each other
Yeah especially when the yare being biased
@@ohhellwhereami2574 Not really, I'm open to all. Just when you don't use all of the facts to justify your agenda and just press everyone's buttons by letting one side win. I don't call that fair. And this isn't just me. If they did draws then this wouldn't be an issue on how they represent our characters that we actually know a lot about.
This video is actually really good.
The scaling you did for Goku doesn't make him cap at "low multiversal" like stupid people believe. It's actually consistent with the show that he's beyond that.
Me personally, I think superman loses to Goku but still, this video is really good.
If you have discord, I could actually enlighten you on GT being canon because you did say that
"you could argue GT is after super"
There's actually a lot of evidence for this and we can discuss it if you like 🙏
Great video. Please make more content 🗣️🗣️🗣️
1. Where is the evidence for any of this
2. We need to actually look up the definition of choreography. It is the sequence of physical movements. Yes, Goku and Beerus did fight but just because it's stated to be "choreography" doesn't mean the feats are invalid or didn't happen as a legitimate plot point for both anime and manga. This is a non sequitur.
3. Your argument presupposes ALL STAFF have all the knowledge of dragon ball which isn't true. The argument contradicts himself saying it's HIS OPINION. And this opinion is not reliable.
4. Please seperate AP from DC. yes, moros self destruct would only destroy the galaxy but that doesn't mean it's AP can't be higher that another false equivalence fallacy.
5. Who tf cares about lifting strength
@secoTheSonicFan 6. Even if what he did say IS TRUE, the anime contradicts that and Gokus power and intellect was the very reason the universe wasn't destroyed.
Stop downplaying dragon ball please. Respect both narratives.
Even characters from DBZ can destroy the universe... 😭😭😭
They weren't just shaking the universe, they were outright threatening to destroy it and Goku saved everyone by cancelling out beerus' power
@secoTheSonicFan Using "writing" defeats the purpose of power scaling. We use their strongest feats to find out who wins but writing in itself is still important in SOME WAYS. It's not the power scaling motto. Stop stereotyping Goku AND Superman's character from death battle... Superman 99% is fighting a foe he's easily able to beat when Goku is always in a challenge.
Get Good.
My discord is SpoierShadow. Just FR me
@secoTheSonicFanhere's the thing the feat holds up considering buuhan was stated to threaten to shatter the universe when he did that vice shout with the shield that forced super Vegito to punch through it actually trying a bit. God Goku would be leagues above that feat it holds up well
So you’re not saying Goku should beat Superman
You’re just pouring out some issues in the first Battle that’s fine .
Yep. I don't know enough about Superman to say one way or the other, but I do believe that Superman could beat Goku.
Well to be fair both characters where heavily downplay.
@@MuscleMomAmongUs-i7n I don't know enough about Superman to say anything about him. But I wouldn't doubt it.
A debunked video about something from 10 years ago
Rent must be due
Death battle uses a coin flip to see who wins lmao
@@Vilurxion a little bit
The ssj4 multiplier is wrong as the golden Oozaru has a 1000x multiplier not to mention the form brings the user back to it's prime
Bro your wrong the city ways around 30trillion tons 💀💀 thanks to google
SS4 not having a multiplier is wrong. The Ultimate form is a form that draws the potential BEYOND it's limits unlike SS4 which draws to it. And in the Toei Continuity Ultimate is a Saiyan Mutation transformation which does have a multiplier, but is only above SS2 and weaker than SS3 which is 4x stronger than SS2.
Also the Golden Ozaru is far above 50 x 10. In the Manga SSG3 was 10 times stronger than SSG2 but I believe in the Anime it scales far higher. It's stated that the Golden Ozaru was unlocking his dormant power, which that same dormant power was used in the Piccolo Daimao Arc with the Ozaru Power.
Btw Super Saiyan 3 ALSO draws potential of the saiyan to the limit. Despite being stronger than Ultimate.
HOLY SH-T HE'S COOKING 😱😱😱
@@oceanicblaze-o_b-9752 🍳
still the superman they used was post crisis superman vs gt goku post crisis superman slams goku. for starters in speed, he destroyed reality warping missiles before Lois first heartbeat which makes him far faster than goku he and golden age superman were breaking reality while fighting you can give the same feats to post crisis superman like silver age superman breaking the bounds of infinity or the time he tanked a the big bang and then destroys a ship that also tanked that big bang or golden age superman tanking the anti-matter universe. the reason you can give those feats to post crisis superman is because he is equal to silver age superman and golden age superman why because golden age superman fought both silver age superman and post crisis superman and both fight where a draw, so all three supermen are equals. and silver age superman can sneeze away a solar system and no he wasn't amp by magic silver age superman super breath has shown to push planets and blow out stars casually he states, and I quote: I'm not even out of breath and that was no birthday candle! I must find a harder job.
no one beating Goku
Deathbattle has already debunked this battle themselves. 😂
@@nuclearwaste2062 gonna get to those videos too. I hate Goku VS Superman 3. They didn't even get Masako X to voice Goku in that one.
Didn’t watch the video. if I see another debunking video on my feed, I’m gonna pop
7:02 this is not speed this is hax they were catching each other cause they both knew the technique if cooler didn’t know it but he still somehow could catch goku or reach the space then that would have been a speed feat
7:19 it’s not canon since this is 5th movie cooler not 6th movie metal cooler
7:21 they aren’t, never were and never will be
8:26 he never blew up suguroku space he just blew a hole in it while it was already collapsing
8:45 it scales nowhere and it’s never implied to be an higher dimension heck since goku literally fell into it and it was collapsing on it’s own it’s more likely a lower dimension
8:54 he never created the dead zone he just opened a portal for the dead zone
9:07 says that while using guidebooks and advertisements
@@mynameisntimportant1374 holy fuckles, you downplay this shit hard man.
1. It is a feat, because it's not like they're granted some immunity because they know the technique. The space transcends time, and instant transmission is confirmed to be instant. Reacting and fighting in that space with 0 time would be an immeasurable speed feat.
2. The reason movie 5 Cooler appears is the same reason final form Freeza appears in the Z anime, and not Mecha Freeza. Also, if you remember Return of Cooler, the Meta-Cooler wasn't the real Cooler, he was inside the Big Gete Star.
They are, in fact all the films are canon to GT, confirmed via the GT Perfect Files.
He did blow up Sugoroku Space. If you actually watched the episode, you would understand what Sugoroku Space actually is. It's not the game, Sugoroku Space is actually a concept in Eastern Mythology, sort of like Limbo. Goku, in the Japanese version, even asks if the river sanzu resides here, which is another concept from eastern mythology. The realm is also ruled by Shinigami, the caretakers we hear in those episodes. Again, if you actually watched the episode, you would know that the Caretakers were collapsing the game so Goku and Co. would be forced to wander essentially Limbo forever, so Goku destroyed the entire thing.
He did create the Dead Zone, it is stated multiple times that he did. The only source saying it's a portal is some old Dragon Ball roleplaying book.
Do your research, maybe?
@ 1. They are only reacting cause they know the technique their speed is pratically unchanged from the their normal speed ( which is finite in the movies )
2. Not canon especially with super retconneting this and he still wouldn’t look like his normal self from the 5th movie
3. None of them are confirmed canon by literally no source
4. No he didn’t it was already collapsing and wow literally not what it is in dragon ball and you’re conceding the space was already collapsing and all goku did was creating an exit out of it
5. And literally debunked in the lore of the first movie when you realize it existed since garlic jr father was alive ( but then again db fans don’t actually watch the show )
Quite literally did at your place
@mynameisntimportant1374 -_-
Whatever man, if that's what you think, then go off I guess.
@ just admit you have no refute
@@mynameisntimportant1374 no 🗿
Bro you are like 13 years too late for this
Doing an even older one next week
I think goku beats superman but dimensional scaling is not scientifically valid
something having a higher dimension just grants a additional axis of movement not power.
The most that would do would be making something have more volume due to taking up more space, but volume is not the same as mass which is what matters. A 3d object for example would not have infinite 2d mass, the 3d object just has a extra axis to take up space in.
Its the same way a sponge may be bigger but not necessarily have more mass than a rock.
As to how we can compare 2d and 3d mass? We can't. There is no scientific theory for it, and it certainly doesnt work like how some powerscalers think.
In fact in things like string theory higher dimensions are compacted and dont scale anywhere. And some scientists belive that things like photons and black holes may be 1 to even 0 dimensional and both can effect 3d matter.
Plus the same way it is said a square would be infinitely flat in 3d space it can also be said that it would be infinitely *wide* instead. or even that how wide or flat it is wouldn't be 0 or infinity but outright not applicable. This is because there is again no scientific theory for different dimensional objects interacting, a 2d object isnt an infinitely flat 3d one its a object that lacks the thrid axis making thinking of it in a 3d space inherently counterintuitive to outright impossible.
So yeah TLDR: good video but dimensional scaling isnt good, its psudo science nonsense
Like men who can fly and shoot lasers.
In all seriousness, appreciated criticism
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah I also understand fiction it doesn't have to be realistic, but even then I think we can all agree basically no author writes dimensions to work like dimensional scaling.
Like if a story was all like "higher dimensions are infinitely stronger than weaker" ones I'll just say fair enough.
But often even the opposite happens where we have lower-D characters like culex from mario, most of the paper mario cast, Bill cipher, dr. Manhattan etc being stronger than higher-D characters in-story.
It's why I personally just prefer sticking to author intent since of of them just think "Oh cool trippy sci-fi concept, neat"
@@Unremarkable6969 anyway sorry for yapping your ears off. Great video nonetheless
I think they say 10 times because Goku Ssj 4 uses 10x Kamehameha
@@burkinaview1228 I thought that too, but I cut it out cause that didn't make sense. A ten times Kamehameha is ten times a regular Kamehameha. SSJ4 Goku still uses regular Kamehameha's
@@Unremarkable6969 I saw in sparking zero goku uses kaioken to boost his kamehameha in ssj4 to 10X and even 20X.
Edit: sorry, that was blue that uses kaioken
_My guy, you’re 11 years too late._
I'm doing an even older one next week :3
@@Unremarkable6969based collon three user
I mean tbh Superman speed is capable of going instantly to the soruce wall wich is outside the infinite multiverse wich surpasses massively anything Goku could do speedwise and he still can't turn back time but tbh the biggest thing against Superman is how fucking inconsistent he is.
Movie goku could be interrupted in instant transmission by metal cooler which is stated to be instantaneous only for goku to surpass it thoroughly by end of movie where he over exhaust the power source for seemingly infinite metal cooler which is not even peak of movie goku not to mention if you could count eoz and gt on top of it
@@ohhellwhereami2574 Yeah but even inf speed is massively below Supreman speed
@@affaaffaafjkfabhjkfa i literally said how in cooler movie already goku eclipses infinite speed as an transcendental completely
@@ohhellwhereami2574 he surpasses slighly one basic level of ifinity,Superman can travel the multiverse instantly ad even exiting reaching the source wall
@@affaaffaafjkfabhjkfa slightly?? He's tier above infinite at bare minimum if you take the scene too literally you could theorize to be immeasurable
But just as i said that's just android saga goku in movies he gets a hella ton powerful via composite
SS4 is not a multiplayer. SS4 is the peak the Sayans can get, he is a determined top tier, there is nothing higher. To get the transformation they need to completely control their Sayan Blood, Power and Emotions. And after that they need to perfect the form, something Goku did receiving power from his descendants. There is no mult with SS4, he is the strongest a sayan will ever be and that's it. The perfect form Sayan.
People who claim "muuh this is stronger than SS4" simple don't understand what the SS4 is. "muuh blue" "muuh god" "muuh ultra instinct" that's all dumb. The base strength have no effect on SS4, he can train more but it is meaningless, he will not become stronger because there isn't stronger. The only stronger we see is SS4 gogeta that is a fusion of 2 SS4, and even the fusion can't last long at all.
He's the strongest a Saiyan can get....in GT. DBS literally surpasses all Saiyan capabilities by introducing the god forms. The fact GT's strongest hypothetical attack is overtime universal and was going to be done by someone stronger than SSJ4 Goku while SSJG BoG Goku already has a feat literally infinitely above that shows your theory is wrong. Sorry to break it to you.
😂😂Appealing to tradition or age ain't going to convince me the monkey form gets past SSG 😂
Gt goku is very strong
Yessir
He’s very fodder
your mic is hurting my ears
@@TiaKimiko *munch munch munch*
Powers power but technic can beat power
That why goku wins
@@stefwheat98 hmmmmmm maybe
i keep it simple superman could keep up untill ssj3 somewhere beyond that superman wouldnt handle goku because ssj3 is already a universal treat beyond ssj3 he becomes a multiverse treat.
the normal superman we know is a galaxy power at best,and yes i know people wil say but he can punch reality and so i say at some point the writters just started making up nonsense.
og superman is galaxy lv at best.
atm goku in ssjblue or UI is a vast multiverse treat he far surpast superman,the only version of superman that can potencial keep up is that latest cosmic robot superman but thats not superman humself annymore.
i always say that the dragonball power scale is just far above most comics and movies,hek krillin himself is already on par with charcs like luke cage and he is one of the weakest dragonball charc while luke cage is already upper tear in marvel.
the normal actual canon and current superman (infinite frontier Superman) is outerversal and way above anything DB ever showed, there is a biggest gap between Goku MUI and Superman than a gap between me and Goku if you want a comparison. no need to talk about CA superman since his base forme is enough. not to mention that base superman is propably not even top 100 of the strongest comics character, even Thor, Centry or Legion could handle the whole db verse alone. Luke cage is fodder tier wtf??? You have no idea of what you are talking about, and Krillin just one shot Luke Cage bro.
@@EdgeyStyle the original comics Super is stronger than Infinite Frontier, like comically stronger.
And base GT Goku literally destroy higher dimensions, something that Infinite Frontier Super don't even know exist.
@@lucasljs1545
In the original comics Supe can't fly, and Infinite Frontier is litterally all of his cannon form merged into one by the way, he has outerversal and creation feats, no one in DB is even close to that, Zeno's feat is no where close.
Goku GT not only never destroyes higher dimension but is caped at universal+ (to low multiversal if we include the other world inside an universe), that's why the joke of base cabba destroy Gogeta SSj4 came to life because base Cabba is relative to base vegeta (even if he got one shotted by frieza and vegeta ssj) that is low multiversal. So again, Goku GT cap at universal to low multiversal at best.
Death battle is brain dead😭🙏
@@Atriedits4040 I love Death Battle, but their Dragon Ball videos are full of holes.
@@Unremarkable6969bro gt Goku in base stomped cell who is multi solar😭😭 base gt Goku bruh and the revenge death ball destroyed the Kai Kai realm which is outside of space and time😭😭🙏
They claimed they use thr strongest version of each, with Supes you have Cosmic Armor Superman (aka Thought Robot) or thr Superman 1 Million Prime, former is like fusion of Superman and Ultraman, the latter is far alternative future counterpart of a alternative universe. Neither version would be a good representation of Supes. As with Cosmic armor you basicially would need Goku fused with a evil counterpart of his (at time of 1st Deathbattle Goku Black didn't exist yet, only Turles, but he wouldn't fit that bil). With Superman 1 Million Prime you basically have Goku at the end of GT during the Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr fight, but that Goku we see now feats. They claim 2 use more Superman 1 Million and his feats (with power of Cosmic Armor slightly with it) and give look of normal Superman (aka a weird Amalgam Superman) vs a average Goku.
Either i member on their own forums someone debunked their vid with upscaled Superman (but without using Superman 1 Million and Cosmic Armor BS with it) and downscaling Goku and Goku still won the fight.
Either from a interview Akira stated that Super Saiya-Jin was 10 X stronger than the previous powerup, basing it on fact that Akira thought the 50 X was 2 low of powerup from base, after the interviewer suggested it after Akira mentioned that it was a 10X boost in power AT THAT MOMENT Goku transformed. Making it 10 X the 20 X Kaio-Ken = 200 X base power for that moment in time that Goku turned Super Saiya-Jin, meaning either the multipler isn't a set thing. But even it is a set thing, the 200 X does make more sense compared 2 the 50 X, as with the 200 the 3rd form of Freeza actually have a power increase or else Freeza's 4th form at 1% would be 1.2 Million, while 2nd form is at 1.06 Million (as it was stated 2 be a double from 1st form at 530,000), so with 200X Super Saiya-Jin multipler makes Freeza either stronger with it.
Goku BREAKS through limits though.
But Deathbattle does more rule of kewl than rule of facts.
They made that video as a joke bro 💀💀💀
@@fnaffanboy6426 No, no, I don't really think so
@@Unremarkable6969 But they (Ben Singer and Chad James) said death battle season 1 was just a joke and that people shouldn't take it seriously
I would've thought that after TEN YEARS, DBZ fans would finally accept that maybe, just MAYBE... their boy wasn't quite as strong as they thought.
there just pointing out inaccuracies and not even saying who wins or loses in this, wdym
@@bigtrec1794 I'm 99% sure I said that the point of this video isn't to prove that Goku beats Superman. Honestly, I don't know enough about Superman to make that claim. But what I do know is that the DB videos get a lot of information wrong. And I think it's fine to correct that.
@@Unremarkable6969 I phrased my comment very poorly, and for that I apologize.
I meant that in more of a general sense and I didn't mean to direct all of that towards you. But I failed to articulate that. That's on me.
@@bigtrec1794 nah you're cool
its the other way arround superman isnt as strong as they thought,superman in the 90's had trouble with metallo metallo is like andriod 17 and 18 ssj2 could already beat them with ease.
dragonball power scaling is just worlds above marvel or dc comics
Rent due little bro
Gotta get those big bucks
@@Unremarkable6969 aye, fair nuff
Cope : the video
just say you didnt watch the video man
@IdiotSandwich-yp2ke nah I did , and it's just pure cope , Goku loses to Lois lane let's be real here.
@@TheManFromJupiter he legit says "
I'm not saying Goku beats superman" the video doesn't cover "why GOATku one taps superfraud" it covers the mistakes made by deathbattle like there awful speed scaling
@IdiotSandwich-yp2ke really don't care, Lois one taps the entire verse
@@TheManFromJupiter if you dont care so much why did you bother replying to me jackass dont say dumbshit when you hear a opinion you dont like then try to switch up with "i dont care" the millisecond you hear a point you cant debunk like a child