As a kid I never questioned that SS3 Goku was weaker than Ultimate Gohan. Gohan was just too overwhelmingly dominant against Super Buu. Aside from that, Gohan doesn't have the ki limitations that SS3 Goku has, so, even if they're comparable in power, Goku's stamina would give out way before Gohan's.
@dennisdejong6540 When? He fought FB while dead, so it had no strain on his body, only his time allowed on Earth. When he had to fight KB in a mortal body, yeah he held onto SSJ3 for a while, but the cost was depleting ALL of his energy. Gohan had mastered SSJ1 with Goku in the Android Saga. Ergo, he could stay in his Ultimate form as long as he's conscious. Goku could not do that with SSJ3. Goku would take the lead at first, but eventually, his son would beat the brakes off him... and that's _if_ I grant you that SSJ3 Goku ≈ Himhan.
@@Genki.Z7 What source material are you getting that reasoning from? Your glorified head cannon? Please divulge how anything from the manga proves or states that Goku or Kid Buu are stronger than Ultimate Gohan. YOU didn’t pay attention.
Lol were did they say that in the manga and anime, but yet Goku even says Kid buu is stronger than all his previous forms includiong Buuhan yall capping stop lol
@santinogoring8860 lol and Goku was able to take him?? So why did Goku wanna fuse with Gohan and then later Vegeta to fight Buutenks/Buuhan? Why was he scared to fight Super Buu? 🤣
As of the Moro Arc, we now know that the Grand Supreme Kai’s God Ki was transferred into Pure Buu when he and Big Buu split. I think Goku and Vegeta’s assessment of Buu’s power when they can’t sense God Ki is unreliable
Even in the anime, after Goku’s full power SSJ3 wasn’t enough to beat Kid Buu, Goku’s first option before the Spirit Bomb was to call Gohan and Gotenks to beat Kid Buu, and Gohan is ridiculously stronger than Gotenks, meaning Gohan is the majority of the power in that due
@@jocoolshow when it comes to durability, i think both of them have as much as the plot needs them to. But Goku has kept fighting his opponents even though he's beaten, broken, bloodied, etc.
Fundamentally if ssj3 Goku would lose to ultimate Gohan in the manga then he’ll win against Goku in the anime too as even tho the specifics may slightly differ the anime’s end goal is still the same as the manga
Its pretty obvious Ultimate Gohan is far superior to ssj3 Goku, its not even close.. im sure people know that but there are fans who would rather lie on social media to push an agenda so you can't reason with them .. there's no point
2:55 could also be them just underestimating them because of how small they are. Plus was there a potential for Goku to just become stronger throughout the arc
Ultimate Gohan was much more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and he stayed more powerful until Goku got Super Saiyan God. After all Gohan was the ONLY Z Fighter to actually land a hit on Beerus before Vegeta went berserk after all and SSJ3 Goku couldn't do a damn thing.
I think that there's a misconception between the 4 Buus (fat, evil, super, and kid). Some forms are more DANGEROUS than others, but none are more powerful. Fat Buu is the least dangerous due to his innocence and not really trying to kill anything as he was more akin to a child being too rough with his toys. Evil Buu was more ruthless and willing to exert more power, but he was frail. Super Buu WAS willing to kill but was looking for a good battle to unleash his full power against, and then Kid Buu is the MOST dangerous, as he was full throttle against everyone/everything at all times with seeing no reason to hold anything back ever. Therefore, I'd say Gotenks and Goku are relative in power to each other, but aren't as powerful as ANY of the Buus when they're going full tilt. But Gohan is on a far higher level than any of the Buus, only losing once Buu absorbs Gotenks. So in NO WAY was Kid Buu the ultimate form, he was just the same as Fat/Super Buu, but without EVER holding anything back. Just pure destruction, all the time, and that made him more "dangerous" than the other forms.
>Gokek can’t actually manage even Kid >Kid is a crappier Evil >SS Gotenks is beyond the jobber form of Kakajobber >still needed that state to face Supes >Super scares the WAKU WAKU away >Gohan folds him up Pretty clear cut. Stop using filler nonsense to humor secondaries.
Well one thing I know for sure is that ssj vegeta wasn’t anywhere near as strong as ultimate gohan. According to dbz fans, goku surpassed gohan in ssj by his fight in buu’s body against his clone
I agree with everything except that Goku thought Gotenks was stronger than him. Goku says he could have defeated Fat Buu but he chose not to. But him saying Gotenks can beat Fat Buu doesnt mean he thinks Gotenks is stronger than him.
Super Saiyan Gotenks obviously could've. Even before their training in the HBTC It's even more obvious that Ssj3 was stronger because he scaled up to Super Buu, who Goku wasn't trying to fight 😅
@Firemarioflower him getting raggdolled in base is more than an obvious feat mate. Both ssj2 and ssj2 Vegeta (who was stronger than Gohan) got completely folded.
OK, first off Goku had a better agent of buu than his son ultimate Gohan became a colossal failure ultimate power becomes a wasted and becomes useless and didn’t help gohan that made the fans wish that Gohan was a teenager again
Ultimate Gohan became top super saiyan blue level after a day of learning how to use the form, so it seems that he’s quite stronger than ss3 buu saga Goku
KB is the strongest UNABSORBED Buu. Do I think he beats regular Super Buu? Yes. But Buutenks or Buuhan? Hellllll no. Which is why, like you said, Goku didn't even BOTHER throwing 1s with Buuhan. Goku hadn't been that desperate since Vegeta and Nappa landed on Earth. UG solos KB. How I would've finished the series: Shin brings Gohan to the final fight when it looks like KB is about to finish Vegeta. Gohan is wrecking him, but can't finish him bc only a divine technique like the Spirit Bomb can do so. Goku finally charges the bomb, throws it at KB, and when KB pushes it back, Gohan appears behind his father in a reflection of Cell's demise, and launches his biggest Kamehameha ever, right into the Spirit Bomb, forcefully pushing said Spirit Bomb right thru KB. Gohan fans are happy, Goku fans are happy. Vegeta is redeemed, Goku gets the final win, but in a way that doesn't spit on the investment in Gohan's arc.
Kid buu is not the strongest, it’s buuhan….. i will prove it Kid Buu Was Around Super Saiyan 3 Goku Level, correct? Well Buuhan Was able to fight with super vegito, who is millions of times his strength, super vegito is stronger than super saiyan 3 Goku, meaning they are stronger then kid buu, kid buu would be logically the 4th strongest Buuhan > Buutenks+Piccolo > Super Buu > Kid Buu > Evil Buu > Fat Buu Super Vegito > Base Vegito > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks > Ultimate Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Goku > Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta
yep. You used more braincells than toriyama did in his entire life. He absolutely hated using his brain, hence the lack of consistency. In his head, 1>3>2. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it makes no sense. The absolute arrogance and stupidity of the so-called "genius" fighter vegeta, to crush the potara. Why not save it for someone else? "muh pride"? Why not teleport gohan to deal with kid buu then? Why save satan and dende instead of literally anyone else? Because muh plot and muh satan comic relief character. Goku and vegeta knew how small frieza was and how powerful he was. Vegeta was a midget for 2-3 decades. This "our opponent is small so he is weak, I am going to ignore sensing power levels" is krillin level of stupdiity, he commented that when frieza went final form. That's how DBZ is, low IQ garbage a lot of the time. ssj2 vegeta < fat buu < ssj3 goku < ssj gotenks < super buu < gotenks ssj3 < mystic gohan < gotenks buu < gohan buu < vegeto only because that's how dbz ALWAYS works. "muh new opponent has to be exactly 1 level above the previous opponent". So where do you put kid buu? Only one level higher than ssj3 goku because that's what we have. It's possible super buu > kid buu because apparently he was getting weaker from absorbing kai trash, this was very clear with super buu being stronger than fat buu. But fat buu absorbed the grand kai whatever, so wouldn't he be stronger? Nope.
To be fair to Vegeta they were saving Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Picollo. Gohan himself could wash Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks could too. It's just the plot got in the way and they had to have Goku be the saviour as well.
@@teezy786ehh I don't mind it like that. Gotenks (Goten and Trunks) was shown much to young to put all this responsibility on protecting the earth. Gohan, while he obviously had more than enough strength, was just as inexperienced. He gets away too cocky, overconfident and a bit bloodlusted to make his enemies suffer. Happened with Cell, Buu and even almost happened with Cell Max, however he was able to snap out of it and was able to finish the fight.
@@Firemarioflower lmao 🤣 you say get real like you actually proved a point you literally see Ssj Gotenks actually do some damage to Super Buu. Granted Super Buu was still much stronger and could spam regenerating, but that obviously speaks volumes. Goku, with ssj3 in his arsenal, was completely sure that Super Buu would easily fold him. And this is with ssj2 Vegeta helping too. Reread the manga and use logic 🤣
Im.not saying im.sure whos stronger, but goku was fighting buu(gotenks absorb) whom gohan cant even touch, and at the end if goku and vegeta was sure gohan was.stronger than kid buu then the spirit bomb was irrelevant, they could have easily teleport gohan or wish to the dragon to bring gohan to the kai planet,
Gohan could do more than touching buutenks,only not seeing the fights could you come to such conlcusions,its painfully obvious goku was being toyed with
Goku > Gohan (this video was made for pure cope)
mystic Gohan is way stronger thanb ssj3 Goku. it is not even close
Buutenks> M Gohan> super buy>/= Ssj3 Goku
Turns out diama confirmed it to be true. It's bs but yeah
@@joshweston5981I been on that too but diama changed it. Confirmed yesterday
@@Antonio-vn5xc we don't know if daima gohan is in the best shape
As a kid I never questioned that SS3 Goku was weaker than Ultimate Gohan. Gohan was just too overwhelmingly dominant against Super Buu. Aside from that, Gohan doesn't have the ki limitations that SS3 Goku has, so, even if they're comparable in power, Goku's stamina would give out way before Gohan's.
Goku got more techniques and experience ik it’s not his character but if I had I.T. I’d go to Namek to rest up 😂
Goku said that to make vegeta feel better. He lasted quite long against boo with ssj3
You a kid still then 😂
@dennisdejong6540 When? He fought FB while dead, so it had no strain on his body, only his time allowed on Earth. When he had to fight KB in a mortal body, yeah he held onto SSJ3 for a while, but the cost was depleting ALL of his energy.
Gohan had mastered SSJ1 with Goku in the Android Saga. Ergo, he could stay in his Ultimate form as long as he's conscious. Goku could not do that with SSJ3. Goku would take the lead at first, but eventually, his son would beat the brakes off him... and that's _if_ I grant you that SSJ3 Goku ≈ Himhan.
@@qdontae6 Goku's technique and skill won't help him here.. the strength and speed difference is overwhelming
Ultimate Gohan shreds the entire non-fused verse pre-super.
Ult Gohan gets slammed on his neck in both continuities.
@@Genki.Z7no one in Z that is un fused beats this version of Gohan. Only vegito and buutenks/buuhan
@jordyalmonte42 SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu slams Gohan badly. You obviously didn't pay attention to the source material and are parroting popular opinion.
@@Genki.Z7 What source material are you getting that reasoning from? Your glorified head cannon? Please divulge how anything from the manga proves or states that Goku or Kid Buu are stronger than Ultimate Gohan. YOU didn’t pay attention.
@@MP-qf5gg Bro Ult Gohan>SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu is PURE fan headcanon. There's nothing to substantiate that in either continuities.
kid buu is states to be weaker than buuhan, he’s just more dangerous
Lol many fans think that Kid Buu is 😅😂
And that somehow ssj3 Goku is stronger than Buuhan 😅
I've written paragraphs trying to explain this to people
Lol were did they say that in the manga and anime, but yet Goku even says Kid buu is stronger than all his previous forms includiong Buuhan yall capping stop lol
@@santinogoring8860 toei said that, not toriyama
@santinogoring8860 lol and Goku was able to take him??
So why did Goku wanna fuse with Gohan and then later Vegeta to fight Buutenks/Buuhan?
Why was he scared to fight Super Buu? 🤣
30 seconds into the video. And I’m never watching another
As of the Moro Arc, we now know that the Grand Supreme Kai’s God Ki was transferred into Pure Buu when he and Big Buu split. I think Goku and Vegeta’s assessment of Buu’s power when they can’t sense God Ki is unreliable
Yeah, but super buu would have that god ki already, since he as fat buu inside of him
God Ki literally isn't a thing. It's non cannon
@@Firemarioflowergod ki is very canon to super which is the continuation of Z
Aight this videos about to be extremely wrong or right depending on if it agrees with my opinion or not
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Even in the anime, after Goku’s full power SSJ3 wasn’t enough to beat Kid Buu, Goku’s first option before the Spirit Bomb was to call Gohan and Gotenks to beat Kid Buu, and Gohan is ridiculously stronger than Gotenks, meaning Gohan is the majority of the power in that due
At that point. Experience, durability goku. Raw overall power gohan.
What the fuck do you mean durability?
Wow..... kinda like today in Super 😅. It's funny how things like that comes around full circle
How does Goku have more durability?
@@jocoolshow when it comes to durability, i think both of them have as much as the plot needs them to.
But Goku has kept fighting his opponents even though he's beaten, broken, bloodied, etc.
Why are you using manga and anime statements which version of these characters are you using
Fundamentally if ssj3 Goku would lose to ultimate Gohan in the manga then he’ll win against Goku in the anime too as even tho the specifics may slightly differ the anime’s end goal is still the same as the manga
@ they aren't the same the anime is different as they have conflicting statements.
@ but at the end of the day it the outcome is still the same narratively even if logistics conflict
@ so if goku went ssj4 againt kid buu woudl it be the same?
Because they’re the same character? It’s not like Super where it’s 2 completely different continuity’s, they’re essentially the same
Its pretty obvious Ultimate Gohan is far superior to ssj3 Goku, its not even close.. im sure people know that but there are fans who would rather lie on social media to push an agenda so you can't reason with them .. there's no point
2:55 could also be them just underestimating them because of how small they are. Plus was there a potential for Goku to just become stronger throughout the arc
Ultimate Gohan was much more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku and he stayed more powerful until Goku got Super Saiyan God. After all Gohan was the ONLY Z Fighter to actually land a hit on Beerus before Vegeta went berserk after all and SSJ3 Goku couldn't do a damn thing.
while i agree ultimate > ssj3, landing a hit means nothing as lower tier characters can even land a hit on powerful characters
Really like this channel.
That's the first time in a while I've seen someone bring up the point that base Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu.
Very well said 👏
All the points i had to support this argument in Gohans favor was brought up. Nicely done ✔️
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Are you using a speak and spell as a mic
I think that there's a misconception between the 4 Buus (fat, evil, super, and kid). Some forms are more DANGEROUS than others, but none are more powerful. Fat Buu is the least dangerous due to his innocence and not really trying to kill anything as he was more akin to a child being too rough with his toys. Evil Buu was more ruthless and willing to exert more power, but he was frail. Super Buu WAS willing to kill but was looking for a good battle to unleash his full power against, and then Kid Buu is the MOST dangerous, as he was full throttle against everyone/everything at all times with seeing no reason to hold anything back ever.
Therefore, I'd say Gotenks and Goku are relative in power to each other, but aren't as powerful as ANY of the Buus when they're going full tilt. But Gohan is on a far higher level than any of the Buus, only losing once Buu absorbs Gotenks. So in NO WAY was Kid Buu the ultimate form, he was just the same as Fat/Super Buu, but without EVER holding anything back. Just pure destruction, all the time, and that made him more "dangerous" than the other forms.
Super Buu was more powerful.... stop making up BS
@@Firemarioflower Who are you? I wasn't talking to you. Contribute something or keep from the conversation, thanks.
@ I was talking to you. Like it or not.
@ It's a very strange thing to say to act like all Buus are equal in power. They are not
kid buu is no where near as strong as Buu-han, i dont care what no one says
Ong
Kid Buu isn't close to Super Buu at all....
Gohan was always stronger. The cope is crazy.
First song?
>Gokek can’t actually manage even Kid
>Kid is a crappier Evil
>SS Gotenks is beyond the jobber form of Kakajobber
>still needed that state to face Supes
>Super scares the WAKU WAKU away
>Gohan folds him up
Pretty clear cut. Stop using filler nonsense to humor secondaries.
Well one thing I know for sure is that ssj vegeta wasn’t anywhere near as strong as ultimate gohan. According to dbz fans, goku surpassed gohan in ssj by his fight in buu’s body against his clone
I agree with everything except that Goku thought Gotenks was stronger than him.
Goku says he could have defeated Fat Buu but he chose not to. But him saying Gotenks can beat Fat Buu doesnt mean he thinks Gotenks is stronger than him.
Keep in mind this before he saw Gotenks go Super Saiyan 3
Super Saiyan Gotenks obviously could've. Even before their training in the HBTC
It's even more obvious that Ssj3 was stronger because he scaled up to Super Buu, who Goku wasn't trying to fight 😅
@@taecampus No. Not beforehand. In base he got ragg dolled and he was not stronger than SSJ Goku at that point. After Rosat is a different story.
@Firemarioflower him getting raggdolled in base is more than an obvious feat mate. Both ssj2 and ssj2 Vegeta (who was stronger than Gohan) got completely folded.
OK, first off Goku had a better agent of buu than his son ultimate Gohan became a colossal failure ultimate power becomes a wasted and becomes useless and didn’t help gohan that made the fans wish that Gohan was a teenager again
I do feel like this is an interesting match up but you biting Danco style tho
Song name at 6:47 ?
Asking for some kid (I'm some kid)
Ultimate Gohan became top super saiyan blue level after a day of learning how to use the form, so it seems that he’s quite stronger than ss3 buu saga Goku
Goku was holding back a shit ton in that form when fighting Gohan
@ true, but when he went all out in blue when Gohan said “give me everything” they traded punches giving and receiving equal damage
@@jacksoncaswell2.0 but when Goku actually went all out he one shotted Gohan ... He was testing Gohan.... Goku fuaght krillin and 17 in blue as well
Final list imo:
10. Majin Vegeta
9. Fat Buu
8. SSJ3 Gotenks
7. Kid Buu
6. SSJ3 Goku
5. Super Buu
4. Ultimate Gohan
3. Buutenks
2. Buuhan
1. Vegito
The power of the characters does vary a liittle, but this is about correct, yeah.
KB is the strongest UNABSORBED Buu. Do I think he beats regular Super Buu? Yes. But Buutenks or Buuhan? Hellllll no. Which is why, like you said, Goku didn't even BOTHER throwing 1s with Buuhan. Goku hadn't been that desperate since Vegeta and Nappa landed on Earth.
UG solos KB.
How I would've finished the series: Shin brings Gohan to the final fight when it looks like KB is about to finish Vegeta. Gohan is wrecking him, but can't finish him bc only a divine technique like the Spirit Bomb can do so. Goku finally charges the bomb, throws it at KB, and when KB pushes it back, Gohan appears behind his father in a reflection of Cell's demise, and launches his biggest Kamehameha ever, right into the Spirit Bomb, forcefully pushing said Spirit Bomb right thru KB.
Gohan fans are happy, Goku fans are happy. Vegeta is redeemed, Goku gets the final win, but in a way that doesn't spit on the investment in Gohan's arc.
No. He does not. Super Buu is leagues above Kid Buu
Fusion always tops individual.
Ssj3 was used as a tactic to make Vegeta feel weak enough to give in to Babidi’s influence.
Vegeta didn’t know about SSJ3
goku didn't use ssj3 til after vegeta was dead.
Its pretty obvious gohan was stronger than gohan and why vegeta was pissed because tohan beats kid buu mid difficulty
You mean goku?
Didn’t creator of dbz stated that gohan was stronger
he didnt...
@@DetBird Even still, the story itself tells you that Gohan was the strongest by far
2:54 he's not cute. 😂😂😂
Bitch He's adorable
SSJ3 Goku will slam in both continuities.
Goku was weaker than super buu. Confirmed in the final volume when he tells vegeta super buu is stronger than both of then
@@__Yoshi__ He called Buucolo dissapointing, who is stronger than Super Buu. So no, Goku can beat Super Buu easily. Goku>Buucolo>Super Buu.
@@Genki.Z7but goku was too scared to fight super Buu even in buus Body
He won't.
Gohan got a zen ki boost after buutenks whooped him. Also vegeta wanted to teleport him there to beat kid buu.😂
Kid buu is not the strongest, it’s buuhan….. i will prove it
Kid Buu Was Around Super Saiyan 3 Goku Level, correct?
Well Buuhan Was able to fight with super vegito, who is millions of times his strength, super vegito is stronger than super saiyan 3 Goku, meaning they are stronger then kid buu, kid buu would be logically the 4th strongest
Buuhan > Buutenks+Piccolo > Super Buu > Kid Buu > Evil Buu > Fat Buu
Super Vegito > Base Vegito > Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks > Ultimate Gohan > Super Saiyan 3 Goku > Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta
This is almost correct.......... but SSJ3 Gotenks isn't above Ultimate Gohan, dude.... what the heck?
Both goku n gohans kais. Vegetas a g-d of destruction
i think the narrative IMO is goku would be an angel, gohan a supreme kai, and vegeta a god of destruction
@@itpugilfair enough
@ accurate.
yep. You used more braincells than toriyama did in his entire life. He absolutely hated using his brain, hence the lack of consistency. In his head, 1>3>2. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it makes no sense. The absolute arrogance and stupidity of the so-called "genius" fighter vegeta, to crush the potara. Why not save it for someone else? "muh pride"? Why not teleport gohan to deal with kid buu then? Why save satan and dende instead of literally anyone else? Because muh plot and muh satan comic relief character.
Goku and vegeta knew how small frieza was and how powerful he was. Vegeta was a midget for 2-3 decades. This "our opponent is small so he is weak, I am going to ignore sensing power levels" is krillin level of stupdiity, he commented that when frieza went final form. That's how DBZ is, low IQ garbage a lot of the time.
ssj2 vegeta < fat buu < ssj3 goku < ssj gotenks < super buu < gotenks ssj3 < mystic gohan < gotenks buu < gohan buu < vegeto
only because that's how dbz ALWAYS works. "muh new opponent has to be exactly 1 level above the previous opponent". So where do you put kid buu? Only one level higher than ssj3 goku because that's what we have. It's possible super buu > kid buu because apparently he was getting weaker from absorbing kai trash, this was very clear with super buu being stronger than fat buu. But fat buu absorbed the grand kai whatever, so wouldn't he be stronger? Nope.
To be fair to Vegeta they were saving Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Picollo. Gohan himself could wash Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks could too. It's just the plot got in the way and they had to have Goku be the saviour as well.
Don't be disrespectful to toryiama what's wrong wit u g smh
@@teezy786ehh I don't mind it like that. Gotenks (Goten and Trunks) was shown much to young to put all this responsibility on protecting the earth. Gohan, while he obviously had more than enough strength, was just as inexperienced. He gets away too cocky, overconfident and a bit bloodlusted to make his enemies suffer. Happened with Cell, Buu and even almost happened with Cell Max, however he was able to snap out of it and was able to finish the fight.
No. SSJ Gotenks is not above SSJ3 Goku at any point..... get real.
@@Firemarioflower lmao 🤣 you say get real like you actually proved a point
you literally see Ssj Gotenks actually do some damage to Super Buu. Granted Super Buu was still much stronger and could spam regenerating, but that obviously speaks volumes. Goku, with ssj3 in his arsenal, was completely sure that Super Buu would easily fold him. And this is with ssj2 Vegeta helping too.
Reread the manga and use logic 🤣
Im.not saying im.sure whos stronger, but goku was fighting buu(gotenks absorb) whom gohan cant even touch, and at the end if goku and vegeta was sure gohan was.stronger than kid buu then the spirit bomb was irrelevant, they could have easily teleport gohan or wish to the dragon to bring gohan to the kai planet,
Gohan was weakened
And heavily weaken half unconscious ultimate gohan dodged gotenks absorb boo Kamehameha 😂
In the manga Goku didn't fight buutenks, he was sweating his pants when Buutenks rushed at him right before Gohan found the potara
@@fatpurp4041 even in anime buutenks considered gohan a bigger threat than goku
Goku didn’t deal any damage to him though. Only Gohan did
Gohan could do more than touching buutenks,only not seeing the fights could you come to such conlcusions,its painfully obvious goku was being toyed with
Kid buu >buu tanks
HELL NO get real!