The Biblical God currently scales to 6D, being above the concepts of space and time as the creator of the universe. Heaven is also stated to be a higher dimension than our own, and God created that as well, backing up 6D scaling for the Biblical God, and post Resurrection Jesus by extension.
They sort of contradicted themselves in the makima vs Gojo episode. They state that for the episode Gojo = Japanese Citizen and lay out Unlimited Void as his primary win con as it would similar to Santa Claus and Cosmo "kill all of Japan." Which inherently means that Gojo would die before unlimited void kills Makima. Based on their own logic anyway. Also Hollow purple has never canonically erased anyone and nothing implies erasure kills Makima 😭.
Its imaginary mass, a contradiction backed up by Gojo's explanation of it after he kills Toji. Because it doesn't or shouldn't exist the universe corrects it and erases it from existence. If you're going to say "How come Sukuna survived it?" Domain amplification and Gojo holding it back to not kill Sukuna (and by proxy Megumi). "How did Hanami heal from it?" her former arm no longer existed, she created a new one. "It was a mistranslation, it was actually virtual mass" so every other time it was mistranslation? Every other time because the Kanji looks so similar they got it wrong? Even then combining two opposite forces should not be possible and this would further push hollow purple being imaginary mass.
@@TomasBregman First of all what I just explained was existence erasure as when the universe corrects something, it erases it completely. Before I make my next statement I am going to clarify that Devils merely represent memories of a concept, not the concept themselves. This would give Gojo the ability to end Makima in a sure fire way. Even if you argue Makima's contract protects her from this, whats stopping Gojo from just killing all of Japan? He can very easily do this by using infinite void on her to kill thousands within a fraction of second, "But Gojo's also a JP citizen" he became one way after Makima's death and he could so very easily switch citizenships.
@ 1. You claim that hollow purple is "existence erasure". However, this isn't supported whatsoever by any of its showings within the context of JJK. Even a point blank hollow purple didn't erase Gojo or Sukuna? 2. Additionally, even if we assumed that Makima truly could be killed by a hollow purple (Which I argue she couldn't). Makima still possess borderline precognition from her control over devils such as the future devil. Meaning she could evade before taking any meaningful damage. 3. Furthermore, It is stated WITHIN the Death Battle that Gojo IS a japanese citizen? Meaning him killing Makima would lead to his own death. Not only that but thousands of japanese citizens dying within a fraction of a second is contradicted by two events that take place within JJK. Gojo's 0.2 second domain expansion disabled all the surrounding humans for a few months. Which isn't nearly the same as killing them? Sukuna also countered unlimited void by transferring the damage to Megumi. I don't see why Makima couldn't do the exact same? 4. Do you understand how difficult it is to get rid of a Japanese citizenship? It's one of the strongest citizenships in the entire world. 5. The very nature of Makima's prime minister contract is that all perceived attacks do not affect her and she can nullify and transfer it. What implies just existence erasure kills Makima?
honestly im glad to see someone having the balls to look at gojo vs makima and being able to use arguments that actually make sense to tell why makima could win (for a while ive seen both downplay of csm verse and way too high scale for jjk)
The problem with the infinite void thing is that hes supresing the speed of infinite void in shibuya to not kill the civilians and he only had it open for 0.2 seconds to not kill the. Civilians, there's no reason to believe that that's his upper limit and given by the infinite void. It's entirely likely he is just not making it infinite, however makima would have a resistance to it since curses which would be analogous to devils are stated to be resistant to it so i probably couldn't kill her
@@Unremarkable6969 another thing is that I was pretty sure the way hollow purple works is by creating a phenomenon that can't exist by combining push and pull to create imaginary mass which the universe auto deletes so anything overlapping it gets deleted ass well throw I might of Mandela affect myself into believing that
A funny ratty af counter to this is that individual csm humans can tank all the information in the universe without dying so gojos domain would just being thrown at one poor sap the whole fight
2:26 jackpot hakari's stats are similar to base hakari as he doesn't get increase CE output, he just has infinite CE and there are many character who outscale him.
Not really jack pot does allow hakari to maintain peak performance allowing him to maintain top speed and react time at all times without him ever getting tired. Seeing as he started speeding up when fighting kashimo if I'm not mistaken. Base hakari is easily above shibuya yuji, or at least comparable as a holding back hakari was harming and overpowering a holding back post shibuya yuji.
I feel like they failed to mention the one known flaw Makima's contract had. Which was that transferring damage actually took a bit of time. While it did seem almost instantaneous during her fight with Chainsawman, she had linked herself with other people who took those very damage for her. But any other times when she didn't have people chained to her, such as the ambush on the train or her fight with the Darkness Devil, and her damage transfer took a bit of time to properly kick in. Denji knew that which is why he made a chainsaw using Power's blood that would continuously rip apart Makima's insides. While it wouldn't bypass the contract, she couldn't properly reform since every time the damage is undone, more damage was introduced almost immediately afterwards. It's like having both regeneration and poison status effects at the same time. And the rate of transfer could not exceed the rate of damage being dealt. This would've been a better argument for why Gojo's Infinite Void would've incapacitated Makima despite it being an attack.
the whole hollow purple killing makima argument makes me mad. "We've never seen Makima regenerate from atoms, so she cant!" But her contract is vague enough that she very well can come back from any attack as long as it isn't hakai or something.
The thing in powerscaling is that the argument of no limits fallacy is always brought up. You can't just assume stuff unless there's reasons to back it up. So even if it seems like it's meant to be seen that way by the narrative, unless you could cite a feat where it shows the characters could do just that, your argument will be seen as invalid due to lack of proper evidence. It's also why scaling exists where we compare characters to other characters. So characters that don't show many feats could still be given a fair estimation of their potential best capabilities. However, in Makima's case, there's nothing we could scale it to and the vagueness of her contract makes it too difficult to figure out its limits besides the duration of transfer that is.
@@iwanttobeawesome it's based on intention? That makes things even more complicated... Because you could just say that Gojo just is like "nah I just noticed how your abilities worked, so I took advantage of it to make your damage transference null."?
I mean Makima gets dog walked, i mean one 200% Hollow purple to the face and her entire verse is getting blown up. Hajime Kashimo was stated to be the speed of light when he is in his mythical Amber Beast form, and he was able to use anything that had to do with electricity or rays in general, he was able to use electromagnetic frequencies (which have been stated by NASA in a article called "What Is the Electromagnetic Spectrum?" and I quote it says"The electromagnetic spectrum describes all of the kinds of light, including those the human eye cannot see. In fact, most of the light in the universe is invisible to our eyes. All light, or electromagnetic radiation, travels through space at 186,000 miles (300,000 kilometers) per second - the speed of light. That’s about as far as a car will go over its lifetime, traveled by light in a single second!" and sense sukuna barely dodged it, and since Hajime got completely dog walked by sukuna, there's no question that Gojo was the speed of light and also who is moving as fast if not faster than sukuna when fighting. Also Gojo can teleport with Cursed Technique Lapse Blue, I just wanted to point that out, So at the end of the day, read The Source material and don't care about the logic. Also this video completely does a terrible job of incorporating Hollow purple. I almost choked my water at your definition, in an article called "Hindustantimes.com", it has a perfectly accurate definition of what Hollow purple actually is, it states and I quote, "Hollow Purple is the fusion of both Red and Blue. This produces an imaginary mass which erases everything in its path from reality. Purple is an extraordinarily destructive energy wave of annihilation that rips whatever it hits from existence." So yes in your information it is an instant killer, so no it isn't simplistically stated like in your information that it's a push or pull, it's more like breaking space at the atomic level, So unless you're talking about Cosmic entities like Shibai Ōtsutsuki who are 4th dimensional beings then Gojo gets body slammed. Until then, he's clapping the whole verse. Also Gojo has enough if not more stamina since he has infinite cursed energy, and his Infinity is always active so good luck with that. To be honest I don't even think I have to cover on domain expansion because that would be Overkill, and he has reverse technique so he is chilling In combination with infinite cursed energy, yeah he's clapping. By the way why are you making this video now when the original Death Battle video was a year ago? Either way those are my thoughts. By the way I want to point one last thing out, and that is that just because I have a Gojo profile picture and just because he is my favorite character in all of manga / fiction does not mean that I am a Gojo glazer because I know a ton of characters that would wash him and I'm not afraid to say that so I don't want to hear a ton of people in the comment section of people saying glazing Gojo when I'm really not.
One fact i didnt see brought up is that RCT cant be used if the head is gone, in the death battle video RCT made gojo seem immune to makimas attacks like makima doesnt have a counter, but im pretty sure hitting a headshot on her "bang" would end in an instant death
@Unremarkable6969 If I remember correctly I don't belive his brain was destroyed I think it was just decapitated,I could be wrong but from my understanding as long as the brain is in tact RCT is possible
@@libbyiousmaximus7553 Gojo healed his brain in numerous occasions, so unless the attack destroy most of his head he can regen (and due to the AP difference it’s difficult to claim this would happen)
@@Unremarkable6969I can’t tel you enough it’s a bit annoying to think someone says gojo wont win against makima but you give good points that aren’t really well perfect but hey you’ll probably go big in a few years who knows
I'm glad you touched on this topic actually, because the csm low-ball has been crazy lately, I've seen people saying even toji speedblitz makima and its just crazy. Makima gaps the verse.
2:23 They do very casually Hakari post time skip is relative to Uraume and this feat is from pre time skip Hakari (he got one month to train and get massively stronger). Gojo upon being unsealed casually speedblitzed and one shot Uraume while in base, so he should be dozens of times faster than Hakari The lightning only got Hakari’s arm cause it’s a sure hit btw, it literally tracks the enemy but Hakari made it go from his head to his arm instead. And it’s consistent that he scales to it cause two chapter latter he reacts to it again by healing as he’s getting damaged and perceives a return stroke hitting him Consistently he gets to massively hypersonic+ and relativistic speeds
@@Unremarkable6969Theres Kenjaku reacting to a black hole and the EM waves (and yes, it was more likely than not EM waves as the sound attacks refers to Kashimo’s scream attacks and by exclusion the only thing left for the EM waves are the palm blasts)
@@guilha1506 That's not what the manga says. And reacting to a Black Hole doesn't mean anything? Especially considering it was a restricted, suppressed black hole.
@@Unremarkable6969 The narrator mentions his abilities one by one in the order that he used, sound attacks obviously matched with his scream attacks and the palm blast has nothing to do with enhancing his brain signals, so the only option left for it are EM waves The black hole as it grew in size was pulling him for multiple pages and he was resisting. Once inside of it he could use his anti gravity fast enough to not get spaghettified Also, in regards to Gojo’s domain, the fanbook mentions that his domain works by putting the target inside the limitless technique and forces them to endlessly perform life activates to gently lead them to death. It’s ambiguous if this would even be considered an attack (since it’s simply dropping you into the limitless and all other effects are just a consequence of it) and it’s not just a mental move, since forcing the enemy to perform activities paralyzes them physically (so even if Makima transfers the damage she’s still paralyzed)
@@guilha1506 não porque suas informações infinitas que mantêm a mákima paralisada próprio gojo diz que depois de tirar a expansão de domine as pessoas aos poucos eu voltar ao normal Ou seja a makima não continuaria paralisada também que levar em consideração que paralisia é um dano Então você é feito de paralisação continuasse ela passaria para o cidadão japonês sem contar que ela pode fugir do domínio do gojo usando os seus híbridos teleportando através deles coisa que a gente viu no mangá ela possa teleportar para o inferno pode criar simplesmente portal para sair da área do domínio e voltar para fora assim evitando o efeito o acerto garantido dele fazendo que o gojo joga se energia amaldiçoada fora ou no lixo traduzindo melhor para você despesa essa energia amaldiçoada à toa sem contar kenjaku só Sobreviveu ao buraco negro por causa da sua técnica de anti-gravidade se não fosse por isso eu iria morrer não é nem consegui fugir não ia conseguir fazer nada .
I'm pretty sure jjk doesn't scale to Island level because we actually never know how big the Island that is in Dagon's domain so most of the rough estimates are usually City to large city level in terms of size but it can even be smaller than that 3:43
@@BigNightmare-q4n To be fair, it's possible that the island is incredibly small and, like a video game area, is only made to look like an island. This is similar to how Gojo's domain has "stars" in it, but he isn't star level. It's like an illusion or a video game backdrop
Ok i am not a gojo glazer let's get that straight but most of your debunking video needed to asume hamini(dont mind my spelling)survived mainly because she noticed hallow purple so she could escape but took heavy damage then it isnt like she used RCT and came back to life from nothing she had a large part of her still their then you have the fact that their is nothing proving makima can come back from nothing infact thats how denji killed makima leaving nothing behind and he could bypass her hax because he still liked her so it didn't count as an attack then hollow purple the combination of two opposites is not possible thats like matter and anti matter existing in the same box it wont work red is push and blue is pull with relatively equal A.P and D.C trying to push and pull something at the same time is not possible scattering atoms needs it to be pushed out of its original position but how can you move something out of its original position when something is pulling it at the same time it isnt where pull and push happens at the same time but like + and - blue and red creating a negative being purple basically as it is stated a imagery mass that is the absences of space that removes anything in its way and lets say purple scatters your atoms besides the fact that would give jjk character high tiers of ap and durability with the fact sukuna can survive purple and yuji could damage him but makimas has no feats showing that she can comeback from her atoms like with the characters you compared her to and gojos domain expansion it feeds you infinite knowledge and spread the same knowledge infinitely jogo stated that he could see hear and feel everything which overwhelmed his senses seeing the same information over and over again wont overwhelm your senses like hearing the same sound wont cause you hear and see it or throw you into a vegative state it will only overwhelm your sense of hearing not touch hearing and seeing infinite void can give you the whole worlds information at the same time then giving you the same information over and over again
@Unremarkable6969 also can you make a debunk video for green lantern vs ben 10(using every version because I heard green lantern is outerversal and I need people to give respect to people using comp ben)
Nice video. I’d note that the “Hakari not fully dodging lightning” anti-feat does have a little more context*, but your points on Gojo’s win cons make sense. (*The immediately prior Panda fight shows that Kashimo doesn’t just randomly throw out electricity, he very specifically sets his opponents up by transferring positive charge to them through his strikes, so that his later negatively charged lighting “doesn’t lose any electricity to the ground” and “can’t miss”. Not to say this means “high-ball speed-scaling confirmed” or anything like that, just that Hakari not being able to dodge it by weaving out of the way makes sense given the attack’s target seeking properties.)
I don't watch either anime (I do plan on watching CSM though) but I do find this debunk interesting. And of course funny as always. keep up the good work, will definitely be watching whatever you put out!
3:53 no, not really. Domains are a extension of your abilitys, making most of the time a insta kill move(like sukuna or mahito or Gojo) A domain is NOT part of your abilitys but a extension. A domain will always create a barrier no matter what so the part about their tier being the same level as their domain size wouldnt add up or else sukuna would have a range of 200 meters (when that's just his domain ability) and gojo infinite range (again, domain ability) so no, domains dont really count as a tier scalling
@@shiori00The most oldest scale of this comes from Dragon Ball. When kami said that the dragon can only grant things with in Kamis abilities to do so. So the dragon re made the moon making kami by proxi moon level. But the idea it self of scaling creation=destruction has been stuck in people minds ever since. Shit is down right restarted for some feats and verses. It's mostly used to wank the verse but a lot of people take it unironicly at face value
@@slesh_master creation = destruction is so obviously not equal it boggles my mind how people try to justify it. If I build a building, does that mean I'm building level? No lmao
My problem with the doll devil comparison is the doll devil distributed any damage done on them equally among all there subjects. Makima on the other hand needs to be attacked in which the damage is transferred onto one person. UV seems to be more of a continues attack so it would just killing her once and thus would only transfer to one person
@@MinatotheGreenLantern she's a ghost spider lady by the way...... (fiy since some people will get confused this is a parody account somethings i say are jokes or roleplay)
You used a no limit fallacy for Makima, just because we don't have proof she couldn't regen from her atoms being scrambled, does not mean she would regen from them being scrambled. Also the "bang" argument can be debunked via the fact that she was unable to just open wounds on Denji with it, in fact, she would have need to use 2 bangs for the Power example going by the logic of she opens wounds on people via her "bang" technique, she'd have to use it twice, once on Power and again on the wall for it to have such an effect. Also to the guy who did the example as to why the example was shown in the video would not work, Devils, while similar to Curses, would not have all the same resistances with what they have. Finally, Gojo's infinity is just the tortoise vs Achilles paradox made real, it makes it so that you have to cover an infinite distance between your attack and Gojo to be able to hit him.
@@speedmeup9877mas aí ele tá errado a técnica da makima não é Regeneração e sim de transferir são qualquer coisa que seja considerado um ataque ou um dano vai ser passado por um cidadão japoneses independente o contrato não limita o tipo de dano que ela precisa receber Isso inclui vazio Roxo ele só destrói matéria mas com essa técnica dele é considerado um ataque ou um dano pode ser transferida para um cidadão japonês e essa lógica dele tá certa no contrato dela não tem nenhum tipo de limitador a única limitação que ela tem é a quantidade de vezes que ela pode fazer isso logo mais fraquezas que esse contrato tem o denji que comeu a makima com amor sem contar que maldições como hanami conseguiram resistir se regenerar
John werry's offical jjk translations are invalid and contredicts lore for exemple having gojo state that he can't use black flash when he did it twice in the battle against sukuna. The officiel viz translations is filled with mistranslations and bizarre changes. Fans have made better and more accurete translations.
one thing nobody talks about when it comes to the whole domain island thing is that if the domain scales to the user or whatever then doesn't Gojo have infinite power? he has a literal infinite void, a never ending expanse of nothingness. so either he has no power or all the power
One, that would be insanely inconsistent with the rest of the series, as everyone would need to be a similar level to even stand a chance. Two, Unlimited Void isn't infinite. In fact, it's entirely possible that the "nothing" we see is all similar to how video game area assets work.
@@Unremarkable6969unlimited void as a space isn’t Infinite but its effect is which I think is the whole point but in the future we do see Gojo who was trapped in the prison realm use that space as a model for his domain where he can strengthen it and make it smaller without harming the people inside I thought I’ll say this for no reason jsut thought it was a interesting effect
I think people forget that Makima’s contract transfers the results of attacks and not the attacks themselves so transferring infinite void effects would not result like Doll transferring the information itself nor would it run through nearly as many people, NOR would a hypothetical actual infinite information dump matter since the contract will transfer the effect regardless on a timeframe convenient to her (as her contract timeframe of effects seems to vary based on convenience).
It’s not even a attack technically i mean if anything it’s just giving you the knowledge of the universe many times over this includes feelings and thoughts and everything one can feel even then I don’t think she can transfer the damage of infinite void cause well it would just dump infinite knowledge on everyone in Japan even gojo who isn’t effected by it so yes makima won’t escape infinite void but mainly because well the only way to counter a domain would be by a counter and well she has non let alone a way to avoid the effects
@ It’s almost as if you didn’t read my comment. So why bother replying? It wouldn’t dump infinite knowledge unto anyone because that’s literally never how the contract has worked or close to it, it has never transferred the cause of the attacks, only their effects. In this case it would transfer any effects the info dump causes on Makima and it also wouldn’t activate every 0.00001 seconds to kill the entire Japanese population as the Contract has also never worked on a continuous manner but always on a variable timeframe that is convenient for Makima. You also cannot disqualify it from being an attack with mental gymnastics and semantics when Gojo very well uses it with the intent of it being an attack which is seemingly what the contract considers when doing damage transfer.
I recommend this. Instead of a 1000% multiplier like in the archie comics we get this multiplier. For super form we need to know every opponent that is stronger is ten fold stronger. So Here is my multiplier for super form. 900,000x. And for hyper it's ten times that. So 9,000,000x
I dont think makimas bang can hurt gojo as it pushes chainsaw man back instead of just deleting his flesh meaning it travels, meaning infinity can stop it. But what do you think
What's happening with Makima's bang ability is that it does land on the target instantly, but it doesn't ignore durability. So if you're durable enough like Chainsaw Man, you'll just get blown back.
@@Unremarkable6969then it would never hurt gojo I’m sorry but we don’t know the limit of bang but even then it’s still a projectile without shape but it still has mass and force which Infinfty stops things by mass and force along with velocity
@@skayerclan6305 As Vamp already stated we do know it could simply bypass a barrier or at least some variation of it. now we have no idea how much dmg it really did but we do know it was able to hurt the darkness devil so Makima does have a way to hurt gojo. and if you really want stretch you could argue the angel Devil could make something like the intervened spear of heaven (Thought its a stretch and I don't even buy it)
You cant debunk a claim with anti feats. Yuji barely dodging an attack that moves at the speed of sound while maki in the prior season where she was significantly slower could catch a bullet point blank giving her 6 times faster than sound speed. Its like saying that base goku is only multi planetary in the buu arc as babididi states so. You cant do that
I uh... I can tho. It's called anti-scaling. For example, in the original Battle of Gods film, Godku was supposed to be a six, Beerus a ten, and Whis a fifteen, according to Akira Toriyama. But there's a considerable amount of anti-scaling disproving that.
@@Unremarkable6969 no thats perfectly fine, goku being weaker than beerus and whis being stronger than beerus isnt a problem? Thats literally correct. But no you genuinely cant use anti feats without targeting the main feat in question. Manga writers aint power scalers, you gotta take the best feats they have. The argument for sukuna not being relativistic is that hes moving before the EM waves are fired, which would be a valid way to debunk it, and then you would be able to help that claim with anti feats. But using anti feats alone isnt valid. Now if you believe that is another story, and sure if that was the case then sure they are at lightning speed or more. Thats where the terms lowball and highball stems from, sukuna if you highball his speed would be relativistic, and lowballed would be lightning speed. Most characters dont have a given objective way to scale them, as interpretations can differ. Fx goku being high outer at a highball, hyper at a mid all and complex at a lowball, none of these are objectively incorrect (maybe the lowball is tbf), yet they are still different ways of scaling goku
@@Unremarkable6969 Using anti-feats alone are dumb because they don't take into account the creative agency of the mangaka. Goku took damage from being dragged across an ice wall by Broly, but this didn't break the wall. Does this mean Goku has wall level durability at SSJ God? Obviously not. It was added to make the combat more interesting. You scale by the highest feats and only use anti-feats to disprove them if the initial feat was inconsistent. An example of this from DB again would be Goku out-speeding a solar flare in DB against Tien, making him FTL. However he was still far slower than 1st form Frieza in the Namek arc who took hours to travel across Namek. Even factoring in the speed multipliers, 33% power true form Frieza was still out speeding a far stronger version of Goku. Alternatively, you could use Goku crossing Snake way (which is 625,000 km) over a period of 173 days. This places Goku's average movement speed at 150 km/h. Even if this was just his average and not top speeds, its still far off from his FTL speeds.
infinite void not killing makima rests on the notion that it would disperse to one individual person then swap to another once that one dies instead of killing them all at once.
i heavily disagree with dagon’s domain being island level, there’s no set size for domain expansions and the constructs they create. if it were really the size of an island then why were only the people in that specific area of the train station brought in? And better yet why would we even waste time arguing that when we could just argue that gojo is universal under this logic. His domain expansion is quite literally a space imbued with the concept of infinity. Even worse a max 200% hollow which was amped beyond even that could barely destroy a building. it took him potentially killing himself to the equivalent of a nuclear explosion, he’s such a bum
2:00 next chapter, sukuna starts yapping while a literal radiowave comes towards him and then releases a world cutting dismantle without ever moving. It's the next chapter after the one you show. Makima still washes though as she can quite literally just control gojo to oof himself, she from the start believes she's stronger and she doesn't need to use chains to control people.
Personal request for you to look up "Aponia GGZ splash art." and make another Hottest man of anime vs Hottest woman of Mihoyo games. Or half the Honkai Impact 3rd cast.
4:02 it actually isnt a normal sized island but a very small one and we also know that alot of what we see is just visuals not the actual domain size due to megumi finding the domain edge and it being not as far as it should be if everything in it was real also the fact this just contradicts jjk's scaling since jogo>dagon but can only make a mountain domain(not a full mountain) and has ap feats of town level hell gojo has large town level feats maybe small city Also the fact this means skibidi toilet is stronger than jjk(it has consistent large island and mftl+ scaling)
Ways I've thought makima *might* bypass would either be mind hax, telekinetic abilities such as the ones used on darkness, or angels ability if you see it similar to asa/yorus abilities. The last one is if you say asa was able to overpower the actual infinite space of eternities aquarium rather than eternity himself, which wouldn't be too far fetched seeing as seemingly lesser devils such as eternity or cosmos are able to use such bs hax
There is a video on makima vs. gojo. I see that as a good argument on who is winning. I lean towards gojo. The only thing the death battle got wrong is the bang ability. It travels a distance before hitting the opponent. So the six eyes would definitely see it coming and identity it as a threat
That won’t ever happen I mean it’s a very low chance considering Japan population it’s literally one in over millions if I’m correct so yes this is most likely a impossibility but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen
even thats bs because Bang has been shown in the manga to travel a distance and not spawn on a target So it realistically wouldn’t even go past infinity
@@SleepingSoulK no it doesnt travelk lmao it hit the wall bc it has force is it not supposed to hit it even though it has force? doesnt mean that it travels so it bypasses infinity
Look if you want to get higher JJK stats don't use Domain scaling that is total bs, just use the Kenjaku Black Hole feat. Yes I know it isn't planet level however it was calced for how much damage he was tanking before he applied is ability & Tengen helped subdue it. That got to 600 Megatons not Island level but still High Mountain. Which is also consistent with the Jogo feat, & the energy nessasery to power the U.S (79 Megatons & 92 Megatons respectively) Also debunks are regressive, if your gonna do it at least also look at the blogs posted by the researchers with all the info being the leave out A LOT from the episodes.
2:02 sound waves can actually be sped up to move beyond light speed You should google"can sound be accelerated beyond the speed of light" This doesn't mean kashimo's soundwaves are ftl since that is contradicted by alot of other stuff in jjk
But like, it can’t. According to the theory of relativity, nothing with mass can move faster than the speed of light. It can get very close, I agree, but it can’t go past. Also, the Lorentz factor(which is the key part of relativity) is calculated by the formula (1- (v/c)^2)^(-1/2) where v is the speed of an object, and c is the speed of light. Unless you can provide infinite energy to sound to accelerate it, it is simply impossible to perform this feat.
They shouldve made the fight after gojo vs sukana since Gojo's lose cons were shown there. Killing Gojo is alot more simple than killing Makima thats for certain.
This is just a stale mate fight. Since if Gojo knows that just killing Makima kills a random citizen including himsefl. In character he would just leave and find a way to seal or get rid of Makima so she cant hurt anyone.Even without that knowledge Gojo is a smart guy and realize rhat Makima aint dying no matter what he does so same conclusion but without the understand of whats happening. But if we are just mashing two action figures againt one another no chatacter included...well one of them cant die and the other will eventually die do to being a Japanese citizen...
I'd like to take a shot at it and explain it more thoroughly since you forgot to include some other abilities. (This comment is divided into two parts). I'll start off with the Unlimited Void. Death battle mentioned how it would be an effective attack towards Makima. But, that isn't the case, and she can easily counter Unlimited void. I would like to first mention how they gravely misunderstood Makimas Prime Minister's contract. The Contract does not *"transfer"* the attack inflicted upon her to a citizen. She instead automatically (as seen throughout Katana man arc) *nullifies* the attack/effect dealt to her and changes them to *"appropriate illnesses and accidents among the Japanese citizens"*. So, for instance, if Gojo manages to ever hit Unlimited Void, which should be very unlikely, considering Makima has Future Sight, then it will not "transfer" the information from UV among the Japanese Citizens. It will, instead nullify the damages/effects received by making one random citizen get appropriate illnesses/accidents (Thus. The comparison Death battle made between Santa clause and Makima is false, since her contract doesn't function like a hivemind. A citizen would just get an illness/Accident, but as long as they are alive, the contract can retarget the same citizen). This means that when Gojo manages to kill her 126.1 million times and is the sole remaining citizen in Japan, which is also very unlikely, then he will be getting severe illnesses ranging from cancer, heart attacks, brain damage, etc and also partake in dangerous accidents. Even if Gojo can't fully die from this, the important part is that it essentially makes her immune to death since he has to die first for her to die. Note: (it's also heabily jmplied that she can also control how long she stays dead thx to the contract, as shown in the Katana man arc [5 minutes] and the assassination arc, making it take longer for her citizens to die). Also, Death Battle forgot to take Spider Devils' abilities into consideration. Makima has full control over Spider Devil, and it grants her the ability to teleport over dimensions, which she will use to escape UV. Btw, Makima doesn't have to be conscious to activate Spider Devil's ability since her puppets unsuprisingly still retain sentience, even when she dies, as shown in the manga. Spider devil will simply notice that Makima is in danger from a long distance (Makima not telepathically responding back to Spider, is the queue for Spider Devil to teleport her out. It's not like she need to instantly teleport Makima either, bcs Makima can stay in the domain for pretty much however long she wishes, [limited to +126.1 million lives], until Gojo eventually starts to be affected by the PM contracts (illnesses/accidents). Also, Spider Devil won't be easily killed too since she can phase through walls, which we saw when she was in hell. Makima knows the value of this devil, so she always has her hide whenever she can (especially when Makima has Foresight sight, and she'll position Spider 1000+ meters away or a different continent. Anything works. Anywhere on the planet). Realistically, though, Gojo wouldn't even care about it if he ever managed to find this Devil since he wouldn't know how valuable its abilities are (not a priority target). After Makima escapes, she'll use her second teleportion ability [reze arc], where she utilizes the controlled lowerlife forms that are spread around the planet to come back and fight Gojo. (This ability doesn't seem to be able to teleport through dimensions like Spiders' ability, but it is a global teleportation instead where she'll have the range advantage). I'll reply to myself and delve deeply into her other abilities that bypass infinity since it is relevant to the discussion. [1/2]
>I'll reply to myself and delve deeply into her other abilities that bypass infinity since it is relevant to the discussion [2/2] Makima has multiple other abilities that bypass infinity and effectively eliminate Gojo (other than the PM-contract, ofc). I'll start off with the Shrine Ritual: -Makima can use the Shrine Ritual ability to insta kill him. This psychic ability (not gravity manipulation as this ability is seen directly affecting the body and not clothes) normally take some time to set it up, but all she has to do is use the other long distance teleportion-ability i mentioned earlier, and then teleport to a shrine with a human sacrifice. Then Gojo wouldn't be able to stop her as he wouldn't know where she disappeared to, and he dies. Btw, Makima does require his name to use this ability but thats not an issue since she can acquire his name by just outright asking him, and he'll give it to her since he has nothing to be afraid of in his perspective (at times, he loves to boast about how he's the strongest sorcerer, afterall, so saying his name is garanteed). Another method to get his name is by looking into the Future with her Foresight. Some people also forget some of her other abilities that can easily bypass infinity (Death Battle also forgot the majority of these as well and didn't take them into consideration): - Makima also has access to Power's true devil form. Powers' true form allows her to erupt her target's blood from the inside of their body. (This'll easily bypass infinity since she uses Gojos' own blood. And, no, while sorcerers do have an inner domain that prevents things from being *created* inside of them, Power instead isn't creating anything). When Power did this to Makima, for example, she instantly aimed for her head and turned her whole brain into a weapon by using Makimas own blood. Anyways, Makima can use this to deal critical damage to Gojo, basically exploding his interior. (She won't have to worry about Gojo killing the Devil-form Power, since Makima can use Future Sight and then position her somewhere Gojo wouldn't notice her nor affect her. One attack from Power, and he's dead, basically). Gojo wouldn't know to target her either out of all the other pawns. (It's also helps that Makima can control and borrow the abilities of devils, including the dead as shown in chapter 76 when makima got Angel Devils halo). - Hell devil. Enough said, really. Instantly sending him to hell is a win because he has no way of traveling through dimensions and coming back to Earth. Nor can he survive against the Devils in hell, especially the Primal Devils. - She has the Stare ability, which she used in chapter 33. From observation, it does severe Brain/internal damage, and it'll easily bypass infinity dealing damage to him. (Anything affecting the brain is effective since it'd just stop RCT from working and instantly kill them. In this case, Stare will be used to chip him down, since it's difficult to regenerate the brain bcs of how complex of an organ it is as stated in the jjk manga. Also, after giving himself brain damage 6 times, he couldn't use UV, etc). - And also the Point ability (not back), which she used on Darkness devil itself in chapter 66 (It bypassed Darkness Devil's forcefield/shield). This ability seems like it outright explodes all internal organs and even the brain. - She has two types of teleportation, and one of them can teleport her anywhere on the planet. - There's the Control ability, which you already mentioned. (Btw, Death battle, for some reason also argued that since Gojo can heal his brain 24/7, which can also negate Cursed techniques from opponents, he should then be able to negate Makimas control. But, there's a crucial mistake being made here. [1.] Makima can control dead people and those without heads, so him refreshing his brain would be the equivalent of restarting the brain by sleeping, which doesn't affect the control in any way. [2.] Makimas control isn't a Cursed technique. It's simply a command ability that can even control the dead. Also, they said that they turned Makima into a Curse spirit, because they thought Devils=curses but that's far from the truth. Devils and curses have way too many differences to even consider them to be the same. I give an explaination if someone is interested. - She has Angel Devil, who has Weapon Creation. Weapon creation has managed to create weapons that cut through intangible beings/ghosts, a weapon that cuts without cutting the opponent, and a 1000-year lifespan weapon resembling the Lance of Longinus, which from observation, cut through space. This lance can then be used to potentially kill Gojo. If we want to go a step further, then there wouldn't be a reason not to assume that he can create a weapon similar to the inverted spear of heaven, that cuts through infinity (But, this point shouldn't be taken seriously though). - Another one is that if Gojo manages to kill the entire Japanese citizens through her contract and is the sole remaining citizen (+126.1 million citizens, while other citizens are in different continents too), which is impossible for him, especially when Makima wont just stand around doing nothing, then he will be getting severe illnesses ranging from heart attacks, brain damage, etc, and also partake in accidents. This will go on until Gojo dies, essentially making her immune to death since he has to die first for her to die. Unrelated, but Death Battle thought that atomizing Makima would work, but they completely misunderstood her contract. They treated the PM-Contract as a normal regeneration, which it isn't. It's more like self-Hax. She will always come back since it makes her revert into her original state, which is before she is hit by the attack, all while nullifying it and changing it into illnesses and accidents. (PM-contract also unsuprisingly takes mental attacks into consideration. So, if she were to get attacked by a mental attack, the contract would not regenerate her, and it would instead nullify the mental attack). Also, it doesn't matter if she gets annihilated from HP. She'll come back since it isn't regeneration. The only reason Makima didn't come back from Denji eating her is because of the loophole he found in her contract. [Loophole]: The loophole found by Denji is that It's about intention and perception, not outcome. Denji did not see what he was doing an attack, but specifically an act of love that wouldn't bring harm to her. It's the same love that Makima abused him into. (If Denji didn't fulfill the requirements, then she'd just come back from the atoms inside of Denjis body/feces, which is what he and Kishibe worryingly discussed in chapters 96-97). (Normally, when someone uses an attack, they'll always use it with negative feelings, and intent [subdue, winning, eliminating the target, murder, hate, morbid curiosity, experimenting, etc], which is why the contract will detect the attacks and effect, and then nullify it by changing it into appropriate illnesses and accidents among the Japanese citizens, and then she'll revert back to her original state. But, to bypass the contract, they'd have to genuinely love Makima and that they aren't out to hurt Makima AT ALL, which is contradictory in of itself. You'd have to be just as crazy and mentally broken as Denji, to pull off this absurdity). Btw, alot of people already know this, but just incase I'll say that Hollow Purple isn't a matter erasure ability nor an existance erasure (even if it were, her PM-contract would revert her back into her original state). It's a head canon among some of the jjk readers. It doesn't delete atoms or evaporate everything. It's a super high-energy ball of sorts (Even Sukuna survived a 200% Hollow Purple, so it doesn't matter erasure. Sukuna would have instantly died otherwise). Makima would simply come back through her atoms in this case (Chapter 97 also alluds to that she can obviously do this, since Kishibe warned Denji that if her plan of eating her out of love, bypassing the contract, didn't work then Makima would simply return from acidification after being turned into poo/atoms inside of Denjis body, etc).
@@We_see_all I do agree that Makima would be able to transfer the damage of unlimited void, but she would still be paralyzed. Unlimited void is stated in the fanbook to force the enemy to perform life activities endlessly and this overloads the brain with information, leading to a gentle death. By forcing the enemy to perform actives this ability not only renders them mentally incapable but also physically, so once the domain is used she’s incapacitated (and if she manages to teleport out Gojo can just deactivate and use domain again after he deals with the teleports) Death Battle equalized the power systems, so with his six eyes Gojo would see Makima’s abilities and thus would know about the shrine ritual, rendering this win con useless (it’s also uncertain if this ability works on strong enemies since she only killed regular dudes with it) Power’s abilities won’t work on Gojo. As yourself noted, the inner domain prevents things from being created from inside out, but there’s heavy implication this extends to any ability that comes from inside out (there are abilities involving manipulation in JJK, not just creation, if inner domain only prevented creation, abilities such as projection sorcery would be able to target someone from inside, but this was only possible inside a domain expansion). This is backed up by the fact of how domains work, being represented as an area covered by the domain (see Dagon vs Megumi, Kenjaku vs Yuki and Jogo vs Gojo representing domain clashes) and domain are stated to nullify/lessen techniques (Mahito vs Mechamaru and Kusekabe vs Sukuna), so the way inner domains prevent techniques from spawning inside the enemy is by nullifying them and thus would work on anything (not just creation hax) RCT heals internal organs and the brain anyways and due to verse equalization he can just find Power if she’s hidden with the six eyes and one shot her Makima only made a contract with Hell Devil once and nothing implies she controls him. Stare and point ability can be dealt with same way as Power via inner domain power null and RCT Her control ability has been resisted before and she doesn’t use it on relative opponents. Due to verse equalization Gojo can just neg it too, using simple domain, domain expansion or RCT (same way as the Deer from 10 shadows nullified Yorozu’s cursed energy on the construction technique) Angel never dealt with space manipulation that slows things Her only viable way to deal damage to Gojo is with Bang, since it comes from outside while directly hitting the opponent, as opposed to the other abilities that come from the inside.
@@guilha1506Something to consider is that's a mental attack. So as long as gojo perceives it as an Attack it will be transferred (And amy negative effect Gojo wants it to have on Makima like say pain or information would be turned into an illness)
@@FirstLast-hd4oe Mental damage is just one part as I said. Makima can’t transfer the effect of being forced to do life activities repeatedly as this is not an attack and doesn’t do damage, so she would be paralyzed regardless (incapacitation is a viable win con)
As per the scaling hax: any damage gets transferred and even if she dies she can come back shown when she was shot through the brain you need very specific circumstances to kill her if her brain literally stops functioning properly she’s gonna die and they get revived so he can’t win with infinite void period with infinity it arguable if she could use bang to bypass it since MAKIMA’S bang doesn’t seem to travel yoru’s does though but they seem to be inherently different since yoru can only use bang via the gun and tank devil As Per Attack potency: if we use higher scaling Like the typhoon devils typhoon in chapter 42ish you start to get characters like bomb girl arc denji to large island-Country level, scaling character off of domains in flawed inherently specifically dagons we see with Megumi the edge of Dagon’s domain is by the shore so it’s not even a full island and the fact domains aren’t literal creation feats creation is its own CT domains are the temporary manifestation of your innate domain which isn’t anything special ofc Dagon the water cursed spirit would have a aquatic based domain but domains shouldn’t scale to a characters base strength at all for example maximum techniques are stronger then a characters base form and domains are stronger then max techniques, gojo’s scaling would better by measured by his earthquake feat that’s around the island-Country range
And as for speed lastly: Makima’s speed can get a bit higher with the katana blitzing feats and using the snail formula to calc them, along with beam dodging reze’s explosions and the gun devil which get into a MHS-MHS+ range and if you try to scale her to yoru which you could argue she could have reaction times getting into the ftl ranges via yoru obviously reactions fast enough to use an attack while your gun and tank devil flew a large distance before pochita could hit yoru and become weapons gojo i argue with the EM waves not being a valid way to scale him for more reasons then inconsistently but even if you do Makima would be able to react if we say she scales to yoru which isn’t absurd since the primal fears should be relative to a degree and Makima could react and clash with the darkness devil who should upscale yoru and yoru fought a weaker pochita then Makima and pochita never got the chance to even fight abck since yoru was sniping him the entire fight, but again as per gojo off of the Hakari feat and few others also should be in the MHS+ range
@@Unremarkable6969 for gojo’s earthquake yeah but country is the really high end stuff and the typhoon devil is pretty blatant unless you argue it was a thunderstorm then the feat is only city level
@@Unremarkable6969Just want to point out I meant most of fiction has atomic level Defense not most of fiction doesn't I should've worded it better(fixed it now)
What do you think of the YT Classic Man D? He's mostly just a shorts Tuber, mostly answering questions people ask him about from video games to cartoons, anime, and movies "Well folks. It's about that time!", but he does give out Death Battle criticisms and has dumped on Death Battle multiple times, even said some verdicts were flat out wrong, like in Darth Vader vs Obito and Naruto vs Ichigo, while bringing up actual evidence, and even he says Gojo should have won against Makima.
@@Unremarkable6969 To be real, at this point, everybody's scaling is pretty shaky. Tyrecordslol (I like him, but he's extremely bias for Sonic. I don't care what anybody says, base Sonic is not multiversal because he beat Erazor Djinn and still lost me completely with his Mario video saying every Mario is a different Mario and calling the Everything is canon in Mario and author's fallacy when Sonic is guilty of the exact same thing ,and also claiming everything Sonic related is canon -- and his Knuckles vs DK debunk where he gave Knuckles a ton of stuff and omitted Strong Kong for DK for some reason), DevonteTheOne (it's animation jokes, but he made YT shorts on people who can beat Goku, some understandable like Pegasus Seiya and modern day Kratos and some just wild like Sailor Moon, Persona 5 Joker, and Giorno Giovanna), SeththeP*do (I have no respect for him), Jobbers and Goons/Dr Splash (he does bring up interesting issues about scaling, like bringing up Spider Man's very bizarre win record), Chuck (he downplayed Yu Yu Hakusho like crazy a couple of times). Still, I couldn't take everything said to me at face value, even if it's official, like Android 17 being on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku because he *"SOMEHOW"* defeated and tamed a small group of Perfect Cell Jr.s despite him not being able to keep up with Imperfect Cell and Cell Jr is on par with Perfect Cell himself.
@@Unremarkable6969 Then there's Smash Bracket where they try to use full research to see who is the strongest Smash character canonically (from obscure stuff they found, Fire Emblem power levels can now compete with Sonic the Hedgehog, Super Mario, Castlevania, and Kirby apparently) and then there's Animation Rewind people used to say was the anti Death Battle with better research.
I Personally don't think gojo should of won especially since even if not reality warping makima's abilities and devil powers are like Law based abilities And makima is a primal devil, She was able to hurt the darkness devil that does exist on a somewhat universal and definitly conceptual scale And from part 2 we know these concepts are not basic. Since the removal of said concepts retro activities removes the existence of what they produce from the universes timeline. people dont remember them causality and all...Makima pointed at darkness and he got crippled from a blast that should blow gojo up and the only people to tank that in Chainsawman was Hero of hell and darkness devil...
I’m not gonna lie, I had fun with helping with this. I’m glad I met you; and well, I learned a lot (maybe I’m glazing since we don’t know eachother… idrk lmao. Scaling is fun)
The problem with the speed sckaing is that jackpot hakari dosnt have infinite stats or anything cuz whal he has infinite stamina can use it all at once like a gun with infinite bullets he cant use them all at once thow and charecters like maki or toji react to and see lightning in slow motion
@@Unremarkable6969 I know but they would scale bellow gojo and sukuna and yuta yuuji hakari rika maybe kusakbe and higruma would scale to it thow those last to might be a stretch so basically everyone who's alive by the end of the story and relevant would at least some scale to it Also the Mach 3 thing is both travel speed and stated by the author to be kind of silly since he when from infinite to Mach which I think infinite JJK is a wank scale but the lighting timing and reletvitc stuff is more consistent
Bro could makima could destroy the whole city at once gojo hollow purple but in 120 was able to make a huge explosion that is similar to sukunas fuga and 200% hollow purple was almost destroyed the whole Shinjuku city leaving some buildings got injured behind if gojo can expand his domain by shrinking also expanding big about 200 radius from the manga book on there 3rd clash gojo is scaled to planetary
@@JamesAlibanjr the only planetary character would be yuki bc of that damn black hole other than that nobody scales closer than her not to mention she still got no-diffed by Aizenjaku
Gojo Can't Actually Destroy Dagon's Domain And thus Isn't Island Lvl Dagon is Only a Controller 🎮 and "Captivating view of Skander" is the TV📺 Just Because you scale above a Controller and can Break it doesn't mean you can break the TV Gojo can Only break the connection between the real world and The Domain (btw the domain is less than 200 meters big) But He has 0 statements saying he can destroy Everything within the Domain Gojo can Break The Computer 💻 (the Domain) But not the Internet 🛜 (the Island and Sun)
Understand everything that you said but Gojo does not go to Island level just like Makima is Max City level because remember Gojo versus sukuna at the end of the fight before Gojo turned into the divided one he blew up the entire city I didn't have any oops like at the beginning of the fight that Halo purple does not count the first Halo purple he did and secondly I don't understand never talked about infinity even if I could stay and Gojo's domain for 145 days she could still not get past Infinity obviously Gojo just keep killing her until eventually he kills himself where will the attack get blocked by Infinity that's really something to think about was Gojo's own attack block buy Infiniti
I humbly disagree on hakari speed scale point Sukuna 15 finger one shotted that one mf that's relative to yuta who's himself relative to hakari They clearly trained against sukuna attacks and did multiple plans specifically against him (kusukabe defense panels and yuta I've cheated panels) So there's a difference between pre time skip and after + kashimo boost if that makes sense In short they were jumping cuz jjk Sukuna was like half hp from gojo and they trained specifically against him with plans that it went from one shotting yuji ryo ...ect to doing some amount of damage So much so that i don't see gojo and sukuna being thousands of times stronger then the rest of the cast impossible
The problem with Gojo is Gege himself claimed he doesn’t know how Gojo’s powers work so if they assumed purple just erased stuff from existence that would kind of make sense as her body and atoms arnt being harmed they’re just disappearing gage even hired experts to make theories about how his abilities work but there just that, theories. If Makima won someone would probably come up with a different theory then this TH-camr. Claim the theory is fact and Gojo vs makima would then have same same amount of controversy no matter who wins.
@@chideraumejiaku3895 Gage claimed it did when he stated it erases matter but then he wanted to be able to explain so he asked experts on that stuff and that’s when he admitted he didn’t really understand how his powers work. He pretty much gave a character an ability that’s not scientifically possible, realize he won’t be able to explain it cause he’s not an expert on astro space stuff, learn Gojo’s ability is impossible do to the whole matter can’t be created or destroyed thing and just say, “ya I don’t understand it either” then leave us to deal with it. Either way I personally think because of this power scalers should either just except the results are gonna be theoretical or just assume the jjk universe has different scientific rules.
@wv5853 Where did gege claim it erases matter? Because gege has an ability that actually erases matter and it acts nothing like hollow purple. Hollow purple shouldn't be creating rubble if it actually erases matter
@@chideraumejiaku3895 he was asked about it once and his answer got translated to English, the answer was “it is an imaginary mass that erases everything it touches or removes it from reality”, however this could also be a rough translation do to the article being in English and again he also changed his opinion about it after learning it didn’t make scientific sense he later described it as something he didn’t understand in a panel after realizing the science and decided to keep it vague after admitting he didn’t understand how it works in a panel. Either way I couldn’t find very much statements of him describing it but I chose to trust that statement about it being vague over trying to apply a scientific explanation when Gege likely didn’t think of the science when creating it for the same reason Araki never thought of the sonic blasts Dio for some reason isn’t creating when time is frozen.
0:27 no that's 95% of the reason The 5% is jjk fans thinking gojo can beat fiction because of infinity(evidence suggests even ftl can bypass it) Alright time to engagement boost
@@TheOneWhoAsked33 here is how Firstly gojos speed is consistently not close to ftl even his subconscious is slower meaning anyone ftl can blitz him Now gojo explained infinity via zeno's paradox so infinity point has Half way points and it slows speed after each one is reached This process is never called instant of even referred to as instant even indirectly and assuming it's instant is wrong due to lack of evidence Thus any capable of blitzing gojo can bypass it(Reason why it didnt happen in jjk is because he is the fastest)
@@ahmedriyad4264 ok so you're already wrong on the first part, Gojo's infinity is activated at all times so it doesn't matter if you're ftl, you're not going to hit him. Now if you were infinite speed+ then yes you are
@@shiori00 that doesnt address my debunk at all I am calling the slow down affect finite speed meaning no matter if it's on or off speed blitzing gojo bypasses it
honestly even if it's not accurate most of us didn't want her to win not even the chainsaw man fans wanted her to win, and death battle probably used that advantage to get more views
receiving information isnt a attack (if killing makima with good intentions isnt) therefore infinite void solos also kenjaku was able to react to yuki's black hole and gojo blitzes him so gojo is mftl
The Gojo side of this argument essentially boils down too: "Makima's hax and resistances are actually so effective in countering Gojo that I'm just going to lie and purposefully misinterpret them for the sake of a character from a manga in which I have... haven't, actually read." It's so tiring
Something I found Is only 1% of people who think Gojo > Makima actually read the manga And the ones that have Watched Death Battle (even though They miss interpret Makima's powers)
Gojo litterally explained that combining red and blue, two infinities, creates a scenario when -1 apple exists. In FACT erasing from existence. You said hanami got hit by hollow purple, but he just buzzed off, and sukuna litterally has anti-existence erasure hax
Since gojo has a almost zero curse energy cost for using his techniques as any lost CE is recovered faster then lost and he can keep his brain his fresh with RCT and mikima can't move in the domain and gojo can teleport. Gojo can just keep using infinite void plus hit and run techniques over months to kill makima.
I mean in simple terms : JJK is initially less powerful then the whole of Chainsaw Man. Don't get me wrong, as much as I love JJK and I'm a huge fan of all the characters, even I have to admit that most of them can't deal with the universe. Even Gojo and Mahito, who have chances on certain devils can't beat every single one of them. Look at the primal fears and how they're proving to be a threat to Denji, who can literally erase devils. It doesn't mean that JJK is weak or anything like that, but it does mean when you compare the universes together, they're is essentially a power difference. Also just to throw my two cents at the Hollow Purple argument : I do agree it doesn't vaporize or insta kill, because there's so much evidence that it can be blocked or minimize damage from. I do want to ask @Unremarkable6969 what do you think the push and pull of Purple would count as? Because we know that purple uses push and pull on the atomic level, we have a few option (obviously in theory) of what that push and pull could be : Bonding : When atoms get close enough to bond together. Repulsion : repel each other. Nuclear Fusion : two atoms create a single larger atom (Like in Naruto) Ionization : when atoms gain or lose electrons and become ion. Love to hear your theory on this, just so we can find a ground on what purple is closer to.
@@Unremarkable6969 1-in chapter 117 sukuna says the sword of extermination would have killed him if he was a curse because it used RCT. 2-In chapter 175 yuta takes out kurourushi with RCT point blank Those two thing quite literally scream “curses and allergic to RCT” , so how would they use them to heal? Their is also sukuna saying curses can heal easier than humans. which could be him just saying because curses uses base cursed energy to heal.
The issue is that if Gojo and Sukuna are FTL, then that means either everyone's getting curb stomped, or everyone is FTL, which is massively inconsistent with other feats.
@ yes and everyone would get curb stomped by either of them. The only reason they beat sukuna is because that he got jumped multiple times, even sneaked multiple times, and wasnt going all out from the beginning against the anti sukuna squad. Its not at all inconsistent for sukuna to be thousand times faster everyone else, neither is it for gojo to be. Yuji also gets stronger and stronger through the fight.
Finally a video which doesn't glaze Gojo and downplay Makima. The entire JJK-verse gets soloed by just the Gun Devil lol, the only person who wouldn't die instantly would be Gojo. CSM is so downplayed and disrespected by scalers its crazy
It was stated that unlimited void doesn't affect gojo We have never seen makima regenerate from basically atoms so hollow purple is a one shot The only move that can get through infinity is the bang move and the other move aka ritual needs some time before it can be executed Gojo is also physically better and faster than makima and has better endurance feats. End of story gojo wins 9/10 times
@@Unremarkable6969 they forgot that hollow purple doesn't erase concepts and is an attack and the contract transfers a fully finished attack to a RANDOM Japanese citizen that is equivalent to it. so it wouldn't spread everywhere, it would be like Gojo just using his domain on one random person and not a whole group like its not her regeneration it transfer an attack to a random citizen its not a hivemind like santa claus
@@Unremarkable6969 we have never seen makima regenerate from absolutely nothing if you think that is not enough. It was stated that unlimited void doesn't affect gojo. Stop coping and accept the facts
@@Panda-hq8st it's also disingenuous to assume she couldn't regenerate from something like that, considering the terms of her contract. Also, even if you were right, Hollow Purple only scrambles your atoms, meaning Makima would be there. Even curses like Hanami are able to regenerate from Hollow Purple. Hell, even regular ass dudes like Toji can take it and not die instantly. Hollow Purple is not a viable win condition
😂 Someone finally challenging the rage bait stupid Gojo V makima vid. Gojo can't win. Why? 1: makima's contract to the Japan Prime Minister is still in tact where any citizen would die in her place. And she looks down on anyone, and she's had enough time being around them. Normal humans are easier for her to determine that they're weaker than her. So by default Hollow Purple ain't doing Jack to makima. Makima also loses the battle the moment she's lost scent of someone or views them as strong in comparison to her. For that, she's stated this before that she can only recognize someone by scent. Therefore, Makima lost her fight to denji due to her arrogance of not making sure he's finished when ripping pochita from denji's chest. Granted the first time, she knocked him into the stratosphere, and he ripped pochita out, threw pochita back into low orbit into Japan, and regenerated back. She probably wouldn't have known how he landed back on earth, given how far he was in the sky. For that reason alone, she has no real scent of denji because she's been smelling pochita the entire time. Hence, her contract protection backfired on her when denji went for the finishing kill. Losing the battle to someone, she legit did not recognize their existence because all she noticed was pochita. And for her, that was enough to not even bother trying to get to know denji enough to view him as weak (again, she needs to view someone as weaker to her for her control powers to work on them) she was controlling pochita to make denji act like a dog.
FTL JJK isn’t that insane, Gege has already admitted in the past that Mach 3 Naoya isn’t accurate and he’s much faster. Choso clearly gets stronger, I doubt piercing blood is just capped to Mach speed, seems more like a base line if anything. Hakari literally couldn’t dodge Kashimo’s lightning as it unavoidable. Gojo needs to selectively allow things inside infinitely but can still let in light (tho that’s more of a reaction feat). Makima still wins imo. Makima would probably be fine even if she got hit by Halloween as she doesn’t share her consciousness with the contracted humans but instead passes on the damage.
Gege specifically said, "For those who are asking, why did you go from infinite to Mach in terms of speed, I agree with you". But infinite speed JJK is wank, putting it gently.
Next video, Power scaling the Bible
nah thats crazy
Moses is easy moon level
@@Unremarkable6969 how high does it get with what you have currently seen/scaled
The Biblical God currently scales to 6D, being above the concepts of space and time as the creator of the universe. Heaven is also stated to be a higher dimension than our own, and God created that as well, backing up 6D scaling for the Biblical God, and post Resurrection Jesus by extension.
Will you be using just the main continuity or supplementary materials? (Divine comedy, paradise lost, etc)
Ngl i hate Makima so much that i prefer Gojo winning against her lmao
So fax man
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sorry for asking, but why do people hate Makima?
@@DinoFer-is7kf we don't hate Makima, we just love Gojo more
@@Le_C4smicc uh okay, that makes sense
They sort of contradicted themselves in the makima vs Gojo episode. They state that for the episode Gojo = Japanese Citizen and lay out Unlimited Void as his primary win con as it would similar to Santa Claus and Cosmo "kill all of Japan." Which inherently means that Gojo would die before unlimited void kills Makima.
Based on their own logic anyway.
Also Hollow purple has never
canonically erased anyone and nothing implies erasure kills Makima 😭.
Yeah agreed, only real thing is that gojos domain doesnt affect him no matter what although it still targets everything
Its imaginary mass, a contradiction backed up by Gojo's explanation of it after he kills Toji. Because it doesn't or shouldn't exist the universe corrects it and erases it from existence. If you're going to say "How come Sukuna survived it?" Domain amplification and Gojo holding it back to not kill Sukuna (and by proxy Megumi). "How did Hanami heal from it?" her former arm no longer existed, she created a new one. "It was a mistranslation, it was actually virtual mass" so every other time it was mistranslation? Every other time because the Kanji looks so similar they got it wrong? Even then combining two opposite forces should not be possible and this would further push hollow purple being imaginary mass.
@@jin2821 This still doesn't change my statement? Hollow purple has never canonically erased anyone and nothing implies erasure kills Makima?
@@TomasBregman First of all what I just explained was existence erasure as when the universe corrects something, it erases it completely. Before I make my next statement I am going to clarify that Devils merely represent memories of a concept, not the concept themselves. This would give Gojo the ability to end Makima in a sure fire way. Even if you argue Makima's contract protects her from this, whats stopping Gojo from just killing all of Japan? He can very easily do this by using infinite void on her to kill thousands within a fraction of second, "But Gojo's also a JP citizen" he became one way after Makima's death and he could so very easily switch citizenships.
@ 1. You claim that hollow purple is "existence erasure". However, this isn't supported whatsoever by any of its showings within the context of JJK. Even a point blank hollow purple didn't erase Gojo or Sukuna?
2. Additionally, even if we assumed that Makima truly could be killed by a hollow purple (Which I argue she couldn't). Makima still possess borderline precognition from her control over devils such as the future devil. Meaning she could evade before taking any meaningful damage.
3. Furthermore, It is stated WITHIN the Death Battle that Gojo IS a japanese citizen? Meaning him killing Makima would lead to his own death. Not only that but thousands of japanese citizens dying within a fraction of a second is contradicted by two events that take place within JJK. Gojo's 0.2 second domain expansion disabled all the surrounding humans for a few months. Which isn't nearly the same as killing them? Sukuna also countered unlimited void by transferring the damage to Megumi. I don't see why Makima couldn't do the exact same?
4. Do you understand how difficult it is to get rid of a Japanese citizenship? It's one of the strongest citizenships in the entire world.
5. The very nature of Makima's prime minister contract is that all perceived attacks do not affect her and she can nullify and transfer it. What implies just existence erasure kills Makima?
honestly im glad to see someone having the balls to look at gojo vs makima and being able to use arguments that actually make sense to tell why makima could win (for a while ive seen both downplay of csm verse and way too high scale for jjk)
@@Sómaisoutrotrevo9324 Chainsaw Man might actually enter planetary levels soon 💀 (Based on the Gun Goddess calcs I've been running up)
@@Unremarkable6969 nah nice i might use them calcs
I've been seeing the opposite of jjk being downplayed and csm being scaled outrageously ngl
@@shiori00 im sorry u had to see that lol, it is just as dumb
@@shiori00 like how
The problem with the infinite void thing is that hes supresing the speed of infinite void in shibuya to not kill the civilians and he only had it open for 0.2 seconds to not kill the. Civilians, there's no reason to believe that that's his upper limit and given by the infinite void. It's entirely likely he is just not making it infinite, however makima would have a resistance to it since curses which would be analogous to devils are stated to be resistant to it so i probably couldn't kill her
@@fidomf7922 fair enough
Cheers mate
@@Unremarkable6969 another thing is that I was pretty sure the way hollow purple works is by creating a phenomenon that can't exist by combining push and pull to create imaginary mass which the universe auto deletes so anything overlapping it gets deleted ass well throw I might of Mandela affect myself into believing that
A funny ratty af counter to this is that individual csm humans can tank all the information in the universe without dying so gojos domain would just being thrown at one poor sap the whole fight
She can also outright escape it, with princi (went more indepth about this in my comment on this video).
2:26 jackpot hakari's stats are similar to base hakari as he doesn't get increase CE output, he just has infinite CE and there are many character who outscale him.
So the guy with infinite ce is just bottom tier scrub apparently
@@Unremarkable6969 request aizen vs gojo
Um I think hakari made a vow to go even fastt
Not really jack pot does allow hakari to maintain peak performance allowing him to maintain top speed and react time at all times without him ever getting tired. Seeing as he started speeding up when fighting kashimo if I'm not mistaken. Base hakari is easily above shibuya yuji, or at least comparable as a holding back hakari was harming and overpowering a holding back post shibuya yuji.
@@amam-r2p Why do you want Gojo to die that much that quickly 💀
I feel like they failed to mention the one known flaw Makima's contract had. Which was that transferring damage actually took a bit of time.
While it did seem almost instantaneous during her fight with Chainsawman, she had linked herself with other people who took those very damage for her. But any other times when she didn't have people chained to her, such as the ambush on the train or her fight with the Darkness Devil, and her damage transfer took a bit of time to properly kick in.
Denji knew that which is why he made a chainsaw using Power's blood that would continuously rip apart Makima's insides. While it wouldn't bypass the contract, she couldn't properly reform since every time the damage is undone, more damage was introduced almost immediately afterwards.
It's like having both regeneration and poison status effects at the same time. And the rate of transfer could not exceed the rate of damage being dealt.
This would've been a better argument for why Gojo's Infinite Void would've incapacitated Makima despite it being an attack.
the whole hollow purple killing makima argument makes me mad. "We've never seen Makima regenerate from atoms, so she cant!" But her contract is vague enough that she very well can come back from any attack as long as it isn't hakai or something.
plus makima has all sorts of random stuff in her arsenal to give gojo much tougher of a time than she did in the fight
The thing in powerscaling is that the argument of no limits fallacy is always brought up.
You can't just assume stuff unless there's reasons to back it up. So even if it seems like it's meant to be seen that way by the narrative, unless you could cite a feat where it shows the characters could do just that, your argument will be seen as invalid due to lack of proper evidence.
It's also why scaling exists where we compare characters to other characters. So characters that don't show many feats could still be given a fair estimation of their potential best capabilities.
However, in Makima's case, there's nothing we could scale it to and the vagueness of her contract makes it too difficult to figure out its limits besides the duration of transfer that is.
All I gotta say to this... Like- how does she die to being eaten then?
@@Aureicy Denji bore no ill intent towards her. Eating her wasn't an attack
@@iwanttobeawesome it's based on intention? That makes things even more complicated... Because you could just say that Gojo just is like "nah I just noticed how your abilities worked, so I took advantage of it to make your damage transference null."?
I mean Makima gets dog walked, i mean one 200% Hollow purple to the face and her entire verse is getting blown up. Hajime Kashimo was stated to be the speed of light when he is in his mythical Amber Beast form, and he was able to use anything that had to do with electricity or rays in general, he was able to use electromagnetic frequencies (which have been stated by NASA in a article called "What Is the Electromagnetic Spectrum?" and I quote it says"The electromagnetic spectrum describes all of the kinds of light, including those the human eye cannot see. In fact, most of the light in the universe is invisible to our eyes. All light, or electromagnetic radiation, travels through space at 186,000 miles (300,000 kilometers) per second - the speed of light. That’s about as far as a car will go over its lifetime, traveled by light in a single second!" and sense sukuna barely dodged it, and since Hajime got completely dog walked by sukuna, there's no question that Gojo was the speed of light and also who is moving as fast if not faster than sukuna when fighting. Also Gojo can teleport with Cursed Technique Lapse Blue, I just wanted to point that out, So at the end of the day, read The Source material and don't care about the logic. Also this video completely does a terrible job of incorporating Hollow purple. I almost choked my water at your definition, in an article called "Hindustantimes.com", it has a perfectly accurate definition of what Hollow purple actually is, it states and I quote, "Hollow Purple is the fusion of both Red and Blue. This produces an imaginary mass which erases everything in its path from reality. Purple is an extraordinarily destructive energy wave of annihilation that rips whatever it hits from existence." So yes in your information it is an instant killer, so no it isn't simplistically stated like in your information that it's a push or pull, it's more like breaking space at the atomic level, So unless you're talking about Cosmic entities like Shibai Ōtsutsuki who are 4th dimensional beings then Gojo gets body slammed. Until then, he's clapping the whole verse. Also Gojo has enough if not more stamina since he has infinite cursed energy, and his Infinity is always active so good luck with that. To be honest I don't even think I have to cover on domain expansion because that would be Overkill, and he has reverse technique so he is chilling In combination with infinite cursed energy, yeah he's clapping. By the way why are you making this video now when the original Death Battle video was a year ago? Either way those are my thoughts. By the way I want to point one last thing out, and that is that just because I have a Gojo profile picture and just because he is my favorite character in all of manga / fiction does not mean that I am a Gojo glazer because I know a ton of characters that would wash him and I'm not afraid to say that so I don't want to hear a ton of people in the comment section of people saying glazing Gojo when I'm really not.
Yeah so you should know that Makima wins
i should not know because she gets completely murdered by gojo. It's no competition. Gojo to wins low diff
When the hell did Shadow start making debunking videos? What's next? Exposing Sonic being a fraud or something?
"I worked for sonic, he's a fraud" 😭
One fact i didnt see brought up is that RCT cant be used if the head is gone, in the death battle video RCT made gojo seem immune to makimas attacks like makima doesnt have a counter, but im pretty sure hitting a headshot on her "bang" would end in an instant death
Well technically Jogo was able to heal himself after having his head ripped off but he's a curse so maybe it doesn't apply 🧐
@Unremarkable6969 If I remember correctly I don't belive his brain was destroyed I think it was just decapitated,I could be wrong but from my understanding as long as the brain is in tact RCT is possible
@@libbyiousmaximus7553 Also, ce comes from the gut, and the part of the brain will covert it into rct, so both are important.
@@libbyiousmaximus7553 Gojo healed his brain in numerous occasions, so unless the attack destroy most of his head he can regen (and due to the AP difference it’s difficult to claim this would happen)
@@Unremarkable6969Jojo's Head grew a new body, not the other way around
Ngl? I just love watching your videos, seeing someone confronting such a well-known TH-cam channel with so much influence is surprising lol
Thanks man
@@Unremarkable6969I can’t tel you enough it’s a bit annoying to think someone says gojo wont win against makima but you give good points that aren’t really well perfect but hey you’ll probably go big in a few years who knows
I'm glad you touched on this topic actually, because the csm low-ball has been crazy lately, I've seen people saying even toji speedblitz makima and its just crazy. Makima gaps the verse.
Ah hell nah 💀
I've just done some calcs for the Gun Goddess and JJK is cooked
Speedblitzing Makima is crazy 💀
The Gun Devil alone solos JJK besides Gojo lol and Gojo isn't tagging it at all
The gun devil doesnt solos jjk because the inverse guy exists gun devil cant do anything to inverse guy
@@casecyrus2500 No, not the Gun devil. The Gun Goddess. Read CSM chapter 176-179
This video debunked:
Peope who read or watch chainsawman do not have girlfriends
Source: me, I'm the sources
MY SOURCE IS I MADE IT THE FUCK UP
2:23 They do very casually
Hakari post time skip is relative to Uraume and this feat is from pre time skip Hakari (he got one month to train and get massively stronger). Gojo upon being unsealed casually speedblitzed and one shot Uraume while in base, so he should be dozens of times faster than Hakari
The lightning only got Hakari’s arm cause it’s a sure hit btw, it literally tracks the enemy but Hakari made it go from his head to his arm instead. And it’s consistent that he scales to it cause two chapter latter he reacts to it again by healing as he’s getting damaged and perceives a return stroke hitting him
Consistently he gets to massively hypersonic+ and relativistic speeds
Relativistic wank 🥱
@@Unremarkable6969Theres Kenjaku reacting to a black hole and the EM waves (and yes, it was more likely than not EM waves as the sound attacks refers to Kashimo’s scream attacks and by exclusion the only thing left for the EM waves are the palm blasts)
@@guilha1506 That's not what the manga says. And reacting to a Black Hole doesn't mean anything? Especially considering it was a restricted, suppressed black hole.
@@Unremarkable6969 The narrator mentions his abilities one by one in the order that he used, sound attacks obviously matched with his scream attacks and the palm blast has nothing to do with enhancing his brain signals, so the only option left for it are EM waves
The black hole as it grew in size was pulling him for multiple pages and he was resisting. Once inside of it he could use his anti gravity fast enough to not get spaghettified
Also, in regards to Gojo’s domain, the fanbook mentions that his domain works by putting the target inside the limitless technique and forces them to endlessly perform life activates to gently lead them to death. It’s ambiguous if this would even be considered an attack (since it’s simply dropping you into the limitless and all other effects are just a consequence of it) and it’s not just a mental move, since forcing the enemy to perform activities paralyzes them physically (so even if Makima transfers the damage she’s still paralyzed)
@@guilha1506 não porque suas informações infinitas que mantêm a mákima paralisada próprio gojo diz que depois de tirar a expansão de domine as pessoas aos poucos eu voltar ao normal Ou seja a makima não continuaria paralisada também que levar em consideração que paralisia é um dano Então você é feito de paralisação continuasse ela passaria para o cidadão japonês sem contar que ela pode fugir do domínio do gojo usando os seus híbridos teleportando através deles coisa que a gente viu no mangá ela possa teleportar para o inferno pode criar simplesmente portal para sair da área do domínio e voltar para fora assim evitando o efeito o acerto garantido dele fazendo que o gojo joga se energia amaldiçoada fora ou no lixo traduzindo melhor para você despesa essa energia amaldiçoada à toa sem contar kenjaku só Sobreviveu ao buraco negro por causa da sua técnica de anti-gravidade se não fosse por isso eu iria morrer não é nem consegui fugir não ia conseguir fazer nada .
I'm pretty sure jjk doesn't scale to Island level because we actually never know how big the Island that is in Dagon's domain so most of the rough estimates are usually City to large city level in terms of size but it can even be smaller than that 3:43
@@BigNightmare-q4n To be fair, it's possible that the island is incredibly small and, like a video game area, is only made to look like an island. This is similar to how Gojo's domain has "stars" in it, but he isn't star level. It's like an illusion or a video game backdrop
to be fair sukuna beat jogo who is around city level with no difficulties
@Xx-jumpshot_edits even then, Sukuna said that Jogo's meteor would have hurt him if it hit, implying JJK AP doesn't scale to durability
@@Unremarkable6969 could you do 20 finger sukuna with mahoraga vs makima i subbed and liked 🗿
@@Xx-jumpshot_edits maybe
Bringing up the mach 1 feat in the big 24 is crazy
Ok i am not a gojo glazer let's get that straight but most of your debunking video needed to asume hamini(dont mind my spelling)survived mainly because she noticed hallow purple so she could escape but took heavy damage then it isnt like she used RCT and came back to life from nothing she had a large part of her still their then you have the fact that their is nothing proving makima can come back from nothing infact thats how denji killed makima leaving nothing behind and he could bypass her hax because he still liked her so it didn't count as an attack then hollow purple the combination of two opposites is not possible thats like matter and anti matter existing in the same box it wont work red is push and blue is pull with relatively equal A.P and D.C trying to push and pull something at the same time is not possible scattering atoms needs it to be pushed out of its original position but how can you move something out of its original position when something is pulling it at the same time it isnt where pull and push happens at the same time but like + and - blue and red creating a negative being purple basically as it is stated a imagery mass that is the absences of space that removes anything in its way and lets say purple scatters your atoms besides the fact that would give jjk character high tiers of ap and durability with the fact sukuna can survive purple and yuji could damage him but makimas has no feats showing that she can comeback from her atoms like with the characters you compared her to and gojos domain expansion it feeds you infinite knowledge and spread the same knowledge infinitely jogo stated that he could see hear and feel everything which overwhelmed his senses seeing the same information over and over again wont overwhelm your senses like hearing the same sound wont cause you hear and see it or throw you into a vegative state it will only overwhelm your sense of hearing not touch hearing and seeing infinite void can give you the whole worlds information at the same time then giving you the same information over and over again
Please simplify, or at least cut it down into paragraphs, my brain cannot keep up
@Unremarkable6969 I took an hour to understand this my self so I apologize because I can't simplfy it
@Unremarkable6969 also can you make a debunk video for green lantern vs ben 10(using every version because I heard green lantern is outerversal and I need people to give respect to people using comp ben)
Only if I can get DiamondBolt to do the Ben 10 portion
You're fine
Nice video. I’d note that the “Hakari not fully dodging lightning” anti-feat does have a little more context*, but your points on Gojo’s win cons make sense.
(*The immediately prior Panda fight shows that Kashimo doesn’t just randomly throw out electricity, he very specifically sets his opponents up by transferring positive charge to them through his strikes, so that his later negatively charged lighting “doesn’t lose any electricity to the ground” and “can’t miss”. Not to say this means “high-ball speed-scaling confirmed” or anything like that, just that Hakari not being able to dodge it by weaving out of the way makes sense given the attack’s target seeking properties.)
I don't watch either anime (I do plan on watching CSM though) but I do find this debunk interesting. And of course funny as always. keep up the good work, will definitely be watching whatever you put out!
How would you scale Hit Time Skip
0:20 no I want to see them fight cause gojo is just chill while I hate makima and just seeing gojo kill makima would be helarious
3:53 no, not really. Domains are a extension of your abilitys, making most of the time a insta kill move(like sukuna or mahito or Gojo)
A domain is NOT part of your abilitys but a extension. A domain will always create a barrier no matter what so the part about their tier being the same level as their domain size wouldnt add up or else sukuna would have a range of 200 meters (when that's just his domain ability) and gojo infinite range (again, domain ability) so no, domains dont really count as a tier scalling
Sukuna and Kenjaku are special cases for their domains
Characters don't scale to Domains. Stop glazing that terrible argument
Real. Idk why so many scalers do this
@@shiori00The most oldest scale of this comes from Dragon Ball. When kami said that the dragon can only grant things with in Kamis abilities to do so. So the dragon re made the moon making kami by proxi moon level. But the idea it self of scaling creation=destruction has been stuck in people minds ever since. Shit is down right restarted for some feats and verses. It's mostly used to wank the verse but a lot of people take it unironicly at face value
@@slesh_master creation = destruction is so obviously not equal it boggles my mind how people try to justify it. If I build a building, does that mean I'm building level? No lmao
The domain argument is bad, however its stated that special grades are comparable to country busting or "over throwing a country"
@@ToonyRinny Overthrowing a country is something the US army did. By no means is the US army Country level
Bruh Hanami doesn’t use reverse cursed technique curses can’t do that
My problem with the doll devil comparison is the doll devil distributed any damage done on them equally among all there subjects. Makima on the other hand needs to be attacked in which the damage is transferred onto one person. UV seems to be more of a continues attack so it would just killing her once and thus would only transfer to one person
Bro has a girlfriend this proves power scaler can get girls
Discord femboys dont count
I’m surprised he has family let alone a gf
good news people i finally got adopt by a lady who wants to be my mom! YAAAAY!!!!!!! follow your dreams
Good for you man
@@MinatotheGreenLantern she's a ghost spider lady by the way......
(fiy since some people will get confused this is a parody account somethings i say are jokes or roleplay)
@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 ???
You used a no limit fallacy for Makima, just because we don't have proof she couldn't regen from her atoms being scrambled, does not mean she would regen from them being scrambled. Also the "bang" argument can be debunked via the fact that she was unable to just open wounds on Denji with it, in fact, she would have need to use 2 bangs for the Power example going by the logic of she opens wounds on people via her "bang" technique, she'd have to use it twice, once on Power and again on the wall for it to have such an effect. Also to the guy who did the example as to why the example was shown in the video would not work, Devils, while similar to Curses, would not have all the same resistances with what they have. Finally, Gojo's infinity is just the tortoise vs Achilles paradox made real, it makes it so that you have to cover an infinite distance between your attack and Gojo to be able to hit him.
holy yap man, my adhd riddled brain cannot keep up
@@Unremarkable6969 Okay, ready 1 sentence, make a counter argument if you have one, move onto the next
@@Unremarkable6969 he's saying just because makimas regen hasn't had a shown limit doesn't mean it doesn't have one
Hence the no limits fallacy
@@speedmeup9877mas aí ele tá errado a técnica da makima não é Regeneração e sim de transferir são qualquer coisa que seja considerado um ataque ou um dano vai ser passado por um cidadão japoneses independente o contrato não limita o tipo de dano que ela precisa receber Isso inclui vazio Roxo ele só destrói matéria mas com essa técnica dele é considerado um ataque ou um dano pode ser transferida para um cidadão japonês e essa lógica dele tá certa no contrato dela não tem nenhum tipo de limitador a única limitação que ela tem é a quantidade de vezes que ela pode fazer isso logo mais fraquezas que esse contrato tem o denji que comeu a makima com amor sem contar que maldições como hanami conseguiram resistir se regenerar
@@Unremarkable6969bro you did the same thing 😂
John werry's offical jjk translations are invalid and contredicts lore for exemple having gojo state that he can't use black flash when he did it twice in the battle against sukuna.
The officiel viz translations is filled with mistranslations and bizarre changes. Fans have made better and more accurete translations.
one thing nobody talks about when it comes to the whole domain island thing is that if the domain scales to the user or whatever then doesn't Gojo have infinite power? he has a literal infinite void, a never ending expanse of nothingness. so either he has no power or all the power
One, that would be insanely inconsistent with the rest of the series, as everyone would need to be a similar level to even stand a chance.
Two, Unlimited Void isn't infinite. In fact, it's entirely possible that the "nothing" we see is all similar to how video game area assets work.
@@Unremarkable6969unlimited void as a space isn’t Infinite but its effect is which I think is the whole point but in the future we do see Gojo who was trapped in the prison realm use that space as a model for his domain where he can strengthen it and make it smaller without harming the people inside I thought I’ll say this for no reason jsut thought it was a interesting effect
I think people forget that Makima’s contract transfers the results of attacks and not the attacks themselves so transferring infinite void effects would not result like Doll transferring the information itself nor would it run through nearly as many people, NOR would a hypothetical actual infinite information dump matter since the contract will transfer the effect regardless on a timeframe convenient to her (as her contract timeframe of effects seems to vary based on convenience).
yeah the contract is not like a hivemind of santa claus
It’s not even a attack technically i mean if anything it’s just giving you the knowledge of the universe many times over this includes feelings and thoughts and everything one can feel even then I don’t think she can transfer the damage of infinite void cause well it would just dump infinite knowledge on everyone in Japan even gojo who isn’t effected by it so yes makima won’t escape infinite void but mainly because well the only way to counter a domain would be by a counter and well she has non let alone a way to avoid the effects
@ It’s almost as if you didn’t read my comment. So why bother replying?
It wouldn’t dump infinite knowledge unto anyone because that’s literally never how the contract has worked or close to it, it has never transferred the cause of the attacks, only their effects. In this case it would transfer any effects the info dump causes on Makima and it also wouldn’t activate every 0.00001 seconds to kill the entire Japanese population as the Contract has also never worked on a continuous manner but always on a variable timeframe that is convenient for Makima.
You also cannot disqualify it from being an attack with mental gymnastics and semantics when Gojo very well uses it with the intent of it being an attack which is seemingly what the contract considers when doing damage transfer.
I recommend this.
Instead of a 1000% multiplier like in the archie comics we get this multiplier.
For super form we need to know every opponent that is stronger is ten fold stronger.
So
Here is my multiplier for super form.
900,000x.
And for hyper it's ten times that.
So
9,000,000x
I personally don't think the Super form has a multiplier, it's infinitely powerful
@Unremarkable6969 yeah but I felt funny since everyone else thinks it's something else.
@Unremarkable6969 also domain expension is actually just brain sexual assault because it just injects info into your brain infinitely.
@@Unremarkable6969it does have a multipier since it's still useful even after sonic surpassed his old super sonic self(adventure and gens)
@Unremarkable6969 probably even beyond that as well since sonic base form and his transformations get way more powerful with each game.
I’m happy Chainsaw Man is getting justice in the powerscaling community
I dont think makimas bang can hurt gojo as it pushes chainsaw man back instead of just deleting his flesh meaning it travels, meaning infinity can stop it. But what do you think
What's happening with Makima's bang ability is that it does land on the target instantly, but it doesn't ignore durability. So if you're durable enough like Chainsaw Man, you'll just get blown back.
@Unremarkable6969 ok thanks for clearing that up
@@Unremarkable6969 a good example is when she used bang on the darkness devil and it went through his barrier
@@Unremarkable6969then it would never hurt gojo I’m sorry but we don’t know the limit of bang but even then it’s still a projectile without shape but it still has mass and force which Infinfty stops things by mass and force along with velocity
@@skayerclan6305 As Vamp already stated we do know it could simply bypass a barrier or at least some variation of it. now we have no idea how much dmg it really did but we do know it was able to hurt the darkness devil so Makima does have a way to hurt gojo. and if you really want stretch you could argue the angel Devil could make something like the intervened spear of heaven (Thought its a stretch and I don't even buy it)
Eventually Gojo would die since he's a citizen of Japan
You cant debunk a claim with anti feats. Yuji barely dodging an attack that moves at the speed of sound while maki in the prior season where she was significantly slower could catch a bullet point blank giving her 6 times faster than sound speed. Its like saying that base goku is only multi planetary in the buu arc as babididi states so. You cant do that
I uh...
I can tho.
It's called anti-scaling. For example, in the original Battle of Gods film, Godku was supposed to be a six, Beerus a ten, and Whis a fifteen, according to Akira Toriyama. But there's a considerable amount of anti-scaling disproving that.
@@Unremarkable6969 no thats perfectly fine, goku being weaker than beerus and whis being stronger than beerus isnt a problem? Thats literally correct. But no you genuinely cant use anti feats without targeting the main feat in question. Manga writers aint power scalers, you gotta take the best feats they have. The argument for sukuna not being relativistic is that hes moving before the EM waves are fired, which would be a valid way to debunk it, and then you would be able to help that claim with anti feats. But using anti feats alone isnt valid. Now if you believe that is another story, and sure if that was the case then sure they are at lightning speed or more. Thats where the terms lowball and highball stems from, sukuna if you highball his speed would be relativistic, and lowballed would be lightning speed. Most characters dont have a given objective way to scale them, as interpretations can differ. Fx goku being high outer at a highball, hyper at a mid all and complex at a lowball, none of these are objectively incorrect (maybe the lowball is tbf), yet they are still different ways of scaling goku
@@Unremarkable6969 Using anti-feats alone are dumb because they don't take into account the creative agency of the mangaka. Goku took damage from being dragged across an ice wall by Broly, but this didn't break the wall. Does this mean Goku has wall level durability at SSJ God? Obviously not. It was added to make the combat more interesting.
You scale by the highest feats and only use anti-feats to disprove them if the initial feat was inconsistent. An example of this from DB again would be Goku out-speeding a solar flare in DB against Tien, making him FTL. However he was still far slower than 1st form Frieza in the Namek arc who took hours to travel across Namek. Even factoring in the speed multipliers, 33% power true form Frieza was still out speeding a far stronger version of Goku.
Alternatively, you could use Goku crossing Snake way (which is 625,000 km) over a period of 173 days. This places Goku's average movement speed at 150 km/h. Even if this was just his average and not top speeds, its still far off from his FTL speeds.
infinite void not killing makima rests on the notion that it would disperse to one individual person then swap to another once that one dies instead of killing them all at once.
Fair enough, I was more going off of their logic
i heavily disagree with dagon’s domain being island level, there’s no set size for domain expansions and the constructs they create. if it were really the size of an island then why were only the people in that specific area of the train station brought in? And better yet why would we even waste time arguing that when we could just argue that gojo is universal under this logic. His domain expansion is quite literally a space imbued with the concept of infinity. Even worse a max 200% hollow which was amped beyond even that could barely destroy a building. it took him potentially killing himself to the equivalent of a nuclear explosion, he’s such a bum
2:00 next chapter, sukuna starts yapping while a literal radiowave comes towards him and then releases a world cutting dismantle without ever moving. It's the next chapter after the one you show. Makima still washes though as she can quite literally just control gojo to oof himself, she from the start believes she's stronger and she doesn't need to use chains to control people.
Personal request for you to look up "Aponia GGZ splash art." and make another Hottest man of anime vs Hottest woman of Mihoyo games. Or half the Honkai Impact 3rd cast.
4:02 it actually isnt a normal sized island but a very small one and we also know that alot of what we see is just visuals not the actual domain size due to megumi finding the domain edge and it being not as far as it should be if everything in it was real also the fact this just contradicts jjk's scaling since jogo>dagon but can only make a mountain domain(not a full mountain) and has ap feats of town level hell gojo has large town level feats maybe small city
Also the fact this means skibidi toilet is stronger than jjk(it has consistent large island and mftl+ scaling)
Maybe if I ever do a JJK video that doesn't rely on wank 🧐
Ways I've thought makima *might* bypass would either be mind hax, telekinetic abilities such as the ones used on darkness, or angels ability if you see it similar to asa/yorus abilities.
The last one is if you say asa was able to overpower the actual infinite space of eternities aquarium rather than eternity himself, which wouldn't be too far fetched seeing as seemingly lesser devils such as eternity or cosmos are able to use such bs hax
Infinite cursed energy doesn’t help Hakari reaction speed
hanami didnt use rct curses can just regenerate from that rct kills curses also domains dont scale to your ap
Yeah.
My point remains the same, you can heal from Hollow Purple. Even Gojo does it during his fight with Sukuna later in the manga
There is a video on makima vs. gojo. I see that as a good argument on who is winning. I lean towards gojo. The only thing the death battle got wrong is the bang ability. It travels a distance before hitting the opponent. So the six eyes would definitely see it coming and identity it as a threat
gojo after shooting off makima's head only for it to be regenerated and replaced with his own head because hes a japanese citizen
That won’t ever happen I mean it’s a very low chance considering Japan population it’s literally one in over millions if I’m correct so yes this is most likely a impossibility but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen
They literally show bang bypassing infinity but just make it bullet sized instead of evaporating him like power
even thats bs because Bang has been shown in the manga to travel a distance and not spawn on a target
So it realistically wouldn’t even go past infinity
@@SleepingSoulK no it doesnt travelk lmao it hit the wall bc it has force is it not supposed to hit it even though it has force? doesnt mean that it travels so it bypasses infinity
@@misatogoat The series literally show it does when it hits power and when it hits Pochita holy yap brother
Gojo is a lot more durable than power,it wasn't bullet size,it just wasn't strong enough to do him like that.
@@chideraumejiaku3895 gojo has 0 dura feats, he got one tapped by an attack yuta tanked
You should debunk goku black vs. reverse flash or sliver vs. trunks from death battle
If we’re going off the idea that she doesn’t need any piece of her body to regenerate, then Denji never would have been able to kill her
Actually, because eating her wasn't considered an attack, Denji was able to kill her. Hollow Purple is an attack, on all accounts.
@ ohh, makes sense
Could you debunk Ichigo and Naruto in death battle
Maybe
@@Unremarkable6969 😄😄😄😄😄
Look if you want to get higher JJK stats don't use Domain scaling that is total bs, just use the Kenjaku Black Hole feat. Yes I know it isn't planet level however it was calced for how much damage he was tanking before he applied is ability & Tengen helped subdue it. That got to 600 Megatons not Island level but still High Mountain. Which is also consistent with the Jogo feat, & the energy nessasery to power the U.S (79 Megatons & 92 Megatons respectively)
Also debunks are regressive, if your gonna do it at least also look at the blogs posted by the researchers with all the info being the leave out A LOT from the episodes.
@@sk47moxie59 "Debunks are regressive" ☝️🤓
2:02 sound waves can actually be sped up to move beyond light speed
You should google"can sound be accelerated beyond the speed of light"
This doesn't mean kashimo's soundwaves are ftl since that is contradicted by alot of other stuff in jjk
Hmmm 🤔
Interesting. I didn't know about that.
But main point, JJK does not have consistent speed of light scaling.
@@Unremarkable6969I agree
But like, it can’t.
According to the theory of relativity, nothing with mass can move faster than the speed of light. It can get very close, I agree, but it can’t go past. Also, the Lorentz factor(which is the key part of relativity) is calculated by the formula (1- (v/c)^2)^(-1/2) where v is the speed of an object, and c is the speed of light. Unless you can provide infinite energy to sound to accelerate it, it is simply impossible to perform this feat.
@zfighters4639 Nerrrrrrrd
@zfighters4639 *but seriously tho, that's pretty cool
They shouldve made the fight after gojo vs sukana since Gojo's lose cons were shown there. Killing Gojo is alot more simple than killing Makima thats for certain.
Finally someone talked about this
the reason it wasn't because everyone hated makima and defending it makes you look like a makima simp
I mean, honestly? I get it.
This is just a stale mate fight. Since if Gojo knows that just killing Makima kills a random citizen including himsefl. In character he would just leave and find a way to seal or get rid of Makima so she cant hurt anyone.Even without that knowledge Gojo is a smart guy and realize rhat Makima aint dying no matter what he does so same conclusion but without the understand of whats happening. But if we are just mashing two action figures againt one another no chatacter included...well one of them cant die and the other will eventually die do to being a Japanese citizen...
This video honestly inspires me to redo my Makima Vs Gojo video from a few years go. Also W video my guy I love your content. 🔥🔥
So based 🗿
I'd like to take a shot at it and explain it more thoroughly since you forgot to include some other abilities. (This comment is divided into two parts).
I'll start off with the Unlimited Void. Death battle mentioned how it would be an effective attack towards Makima. But, that isn't the case, and she can easily counter Unlimited void.
I would like to first mention how they gravely misunderstood Makimas Prime Minister's contract. The Contract does not *"transfer"* the attack inflicted upon her to a citizen. She instead automatically (as seen throughout Katana man arc) *nullifies* the attack/effect dealt to her and changes them to *"appropriate illnesses and accidents among the Japanese citizens"*. So, for instance, if Gojo manages to ever hit Unlimited Void, which should be very unlikely, considering Makima has Future Sight, then it will not "transfer" the information from UV among the Japanese Citizens. It will, instead nullify the damages/effects received by making one random citizen get appropriate illnesses/accidents (Thus. The comparison Death battle made between Santa clause and Makima is false, since her contract doesn't function like a hivemind. A citizen would just get an illness/Accident, but as long as they are alive, the contract can retarget the same citizen). This means that when Gojo manages to kill her 126.1 million times and is the sole remaining citizen in Japan, which is also very unlikely, then he will be getting severe illnesses ranging from cancer, heart attacks, brain damage, etc and also partake in dangerous accidents. Even if Gojo can't fully die from this, the important part is that it essentially makes her immune to death since he has to die first for her to die.
Note: (it's also heabily jmplied that she can also control how long she stays dead thx to the contract, as shown in the Katana man arc [5 minutes] and the assassination arc, making it take longer for her citizens to die).
Also, Death Battle forgot to take Spider Devils' abilities into consideration. Makima has full control over Spider Devil, and it grants her the ability to teleport over dimensions, which she will use to escape UV.
Btw, Makima doesn't have to be conscious to activate Spider Devil's ability since her puppets unsuprisingly still retain sentience, even when she dies, as shown in the manga. Spider devil will simply notice that Makima is in danger from a long distance (Makima not telepathically responding back to Spider, is the queue for Spider Devil to teleport her out. It's not like she need to instantly teleport Makima either, bcs Makima can stay in the domain for pretty much however long she wishes, [limited to +126.1 million lives], until Gojo eventually starts to be affected by the PM contracts (illnesses/accidents). Also, Spider Devil won't be easily killed too since she can phase through walls, which we saw when she was in hell. Makima knows the value of this devil, so she always has her hide whenever she can (especially when Makima has Foresight sight, and she'll position Spider 1000+ meters away or a different continent. Anything works. Anywhere on the planet). Realistically, though, Gojo wouldn't even care about it if he ever managed to find this Devil since he wouldn't know how valuable its abilities are (not a priority target).
After Makima escapes, she'll use her second teleportion ability [reze arc], where she utilizes the controlled lowerlife forms that are spread around the planet to come back and fight Gojo. (This ability doesn't seem to be able to teleport through dimensions like Spiders' ability, but it is a global teleportation instead where she'll have the range advantage).
I'll reply to myself and delve deeply into her other abilities that bypass infinity since it is relevant to the discussion.
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>I'll reply to myself and delve deeply into her other abilities that bypass infinity since it is relevant to the discussion
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Makima has multiple other abilities that bypass infinity and effectively eliminate Gojo (other than the PM-contract, ofc).
I'll start off with the Shrine Ritual:
-Makima can use the Shrine Ritual ability to insta kill him. This psychic ability (not gravity manipulation as this ability is seen directly affecting the body and not clothes) normally take some time to set it up, but all she has to do is use the other long distance teleportion-ability i mentioned earlier, and then teleport to a shrine with a human sacrifice. Then Gojo wouldn't be able to stop her as he wouldn't know where she disappeared to, and he dies. Btw, Makima does require his name to use this ability but thats not an issue since she can acquire his name by just outright asking him, and he'll give it to her since he has nothing to be afraid of in his perspective (at times, he loves to boast about how he's the strongest sorcerer, afterall, so saying his name is garanteed). Another method to get his name is by looking into the Future with her Foresight.
Some people also forget some of her other abilities that can easily bypass infinity (Death Battle also forgot the majority of these as well and didn't take them into consideration):
- Makima also has access to Power's true devil form. Powers' true form allows her to erupt her target's blood from the inside of their body. (This'll easily bypass infinity since she uses Gojos' own blood. And, no, while sorcerers do have an inner domain that prevents things from being *created* inside of them, Power instead isn't creating anything). When Power did this to Makima, for example, she instantly aimed for her head and turned her whole brain into a weapon by using Makimas own blood. Anyways, Makima can use this to deal critical damage to Gojo, basically exploding his interior. (She won't have to worry about Gojo killing the Devil-form Power, since Makima can use Future Sight and then position her somewhere Gojo wouldn't notice her nor affect her. One attack from Power, and he's dead, basically). Gojo wouldn't know to target her either out of all the other pawns. (It's also helps that Makima can control and borrow the abilities of devils, including the dead as shown in chapter 76 when makima got Angel Devils halo).
- Hell devil. Enough said, really. Instantly sending him to hell is a win because he has no way of traveling through dimensions and coming back to Earth. Nor can he survive against the Devils in hell, especially the Primal Devils.
- She has the Stare ability, which she used in chapter 33. From observation, it does severe Brain/internal damage, and it'll easily bypass infinity dealing damage to him. (Anything affecting the brain is effective since it'd just stop RCT from working and instantly kill them. In this case, Stare will be used to chip him down, since it's difficult to regenerate the brain bcs of how complex of an organ it is as stated in the jjk manga. Also, after giving himself brain damage 6 times, he couldn't use UV, etc).
- And also the Point ability (not back), which she used on Darkness devil itself in chapter 66 (It bypassed Darkness Devil's forcefield/shield). This ability seems like it outright explodes all internal organs and even the brain.
- She has two types of teleportation, and one of them can teleport her anywhere on the planet.
- There's the Control ability, which you already mentioned. (Btw, Death battle, for some reason also argued that since Gojo can heal his brain 24/7, which can also negate Cursed techniques from opponents, he should then be able to negate Makimas control. But, there's a crucial mistake being made here. [1.] Makima can control dead people and those without heads, so him refreshing his brain would be the equivalent of restarting the brain by sleeping, which doesn't affect the control in any way. [2.] Makimas control isn't a Cursed technique. It's simply a command ability that can even control the dead. Also, they said that they turned Makima into a Curse spirit, because they thought Devils=curses but that's far from the truth. Devils and curses have way too many differences to even consider them to be the same. I give an explaination if someone is interested.
- She has Angel Devil, who has Weapon Creation. Weapon creation has managed to create weapons that cut through intangible beings/ghosts, a weapon that cuts without cutting the opponent, and a 1000-year lifespan weapon resembling the Lance of Longinus, which from observation, cut through space. This lance can then be used to potentially kill Gojo. If we want to go a step further, then there wouldn't be a reason not to assume that he can create a weapon similar to the inverted spear of heaven, that cuts through infinity (But, this point shouldn't be taken seriously though).
- Another one is that if Gojo manages to kill the entire Japanese citizens through her contract and is the sole remaining citizen (+126.1 million citizens, while other citizens are in different continents too), which is impossible for him, especially when Makima wont just stand around doing nothing, then he will be getting severe illnesses ranging from heart attacks, brain damage, etc, and also partake in accidents. This will go on until Gojo dies, essentially making her immune to death since he has to die first for her to die.
Unrelated, but Death Battle thought that atomizing Makima would work, but they completely misunderstood her contract. They treated the PM-Contract as a normal regeneration, which it isn't. It's more like self-Hax. She will always come back since it makes her revert into her original state, which is before she is hit by the attack, all while nullifying it and changing it into illnesses and accidents. (PM-contract also unsuprisingly takes mental attacks into consideration. So, if she were to get attacked by a mental attack, the contract would not regenerate her, and it would instead nullify the mental attack). Also, it doesn't matter if she gets annihilated from HP. She'll come back since it isn't regeneration.
The only reason Makima didn't come back from Denji eating her is because of the loophole he found in her contract. [Loophole]: The loophole found by Denji is that It's about intention and perception, not outcome. Denji did not see what he was doing an attack, but specifically an act of love that wouldn't bring harm to her. It's the same love that Makima abused him into. (If Denji didn't fulfill the requirements, then she'd just come back from the atoms inside of Denjis body/feces, which is what he and Kishibe worryingly discussed in chapters 96-97). (Normally, when someone uses an attack, they'll always use it with negative feelings, and intent [subdue, winning, eliminating the target, murder, hate, morbid curiosity, experimenting, etc], which is why the contract will detect the attacks and effect, and then nullify it by changing it into appropriate illnesses and accidents among the Japanese citizens, and then she'll revert back to her original state. But, to bypass the contract, they'd have to genuinely love Makima and that they aren't out to hurt Makima AT ALL, which is contradictory in of itself. You'd have to be just as crazy and mentally broken as Denji, to pull off this absurdity).
Btw, alot of people already know this, but just incase I'll say that Hollow Purple isn't a matter erasure ability nor an existance erasure (even if it were, her PM-contract would revert her back into her original state). It's a head canon among some of the jjk readers. It doesn't delete atoms or evaporate everything. It's a super high-energy ball of sorts (Even Sukuna survived a 200% Hollow Purple, so it doesn't matter erasure. Sukuna would have instantly died otherwise). Makima would simply come back through her atoms in this case (Chapter 97 also alluds to that she can obviously do this, since Kishibe warned Denji that if her plan of eating her out of love, bypassing the contract, didn't work then Makima would simply return from acidification after being turned into poo/atoms inside of Denjis body, etc).
@@We_see_all I do agree that Makima would be able to transfer the damage of unlimited void, but she would still be paralyzed. Unlimited void is stated in the fanbook to force the enemy to perform life activities endlessly and this overloads the brain with information, leading to a gentle death. By forcing the enemy to perform actives this ability not only renders them mentally incapable but also physically, so once the domain is used she’s incapacitated (and if she manages to teleport out Gojo can just deactivate and use domain again after he deals with the teleports)
Death Battle equalized the power systems, so with his six eyes Gojo would see Makima’s abilities and thus would know about the shrine ritual, rendering this win con useless (it’s also uncertain if this ability works on strong enemies since she only killed regular dudes with it)
Power’s abilities won’t work on Gojo. As yourself noted, the inner domain prevents things from being created from inside out, but there’s heavy implication this extends to any ability that comes from inside out (there are abilities involving manipulation in JJK, not just creation, if inner domain only prevented creation, abilities such as projection sorcery would be able to target someone from inside, but this was only possible inside a domain expansion). This is backed up by the fact of how domains work, being represented as an area covered by the domain (see Dagon vs Megumi, Kenjaku vs Yuki and Jogo vs Gojo representing domain clashes) and domain are stated to nullify/lessen techniques (Mahito vs Mechamaru and Kusekabe vs Sukuna), so the way inner domains prevent techniques from spawning inside the enemy is by nullifying them and thus would work on anything (not just creation hax)
RCT heals internal organs and the brain anyways and due to verse equalization he can just find Power if she’s hidden with the six eyes and one shot her
Makima only made a contract with Hell Devil once and nothing implies she controls him.
Stare and point ability can be dealt with same way as Power via inner domain power null and RCT
Her control ability has been resisted before and she doesn’t use it on relative opponents. Due to verse equalization Gojo can just neg it too, using simple domain, domain expansion or RCT (same way as the Deer from 10 shadows nullified Yorozu’s cursed energy on the construction technique)
Angel never dealt with space manipulation that slows things
Her only viable way to deal damage to Gojo is with Bang, since it comes from outside while directly hitting the opponent, as opposed to the other abilities that come from the inside.
@@guilha1506Something to consider is that's a mental attack. So as long as gojo perceives it as an Attack it will be transferred (And amy negative effect Gojo wants it to have on Makima like say pain or information would be turned into an illness)
@@FirstLast-hd4oe Mental damage is just one part as I said. Makima can’t transfer the effect of being forced to do life activities repeatedly as this is not an attack and doesn’t do damage, so she would be paralyzed regardless (incapacitation is a viable win con)
@@guilha1506Jogo recovered from that "Infinite" Infomation in 3 minutes
And It depends on if Gojo perceives the Information as part of the attack
As per the scaling hax: any damage gets transferred and even if she dies she can come back shown when she was shot through the brain you need very specific circumstances to kill her if her brain literally stops functioning properly she’s gonna die and they get revived so he can’t win with infinite void period with infinity it arguable if she could use bang to bypass it since MAKIMA’S bang doesn’t seem to travel yoru’s does though but they seem to be inherently different since yoru can only use bang via the gun and tank devil
As Per Attack potency: if we use higher scaling Like the typhoon devils typhoon in chapter 42ish you start to get characters like bomb girl arc denji to large island-Country level, scaling character off of domains in flawed inherently specifically dagons we see with Megumi the edge of Dagon’s domain is by the shore so it’s not even a full island and the fact domains aren’t literal creation feats creation is its own CT domains are the temporary manifestation of your innate domain which isn’t anything special ofc Dagon the water cursed spirit would have a aquatic based domain but domains shouldn’t scale to a characters base strength at all for example maximum techniques are stronger then a characters base form and domains are stronger then max techniques, gojo’s scaling would better by measured by his earthquake feat that’s around the island-Country range
And as for speed lastly: Makima’s speed can get a bit higher with the katana blitzing feats and using the snail formula to calc them, along with beam dodging reze’s explosions and the gun devil which get into a MHS-MHS+ range and if you try to scale her to yoru which you could argue she could have reaction times getting into the ftl ranges via yoru obviously reactions fast enough to use an attack while your gun and tank devil flew a large distance before pochita could hit yoru and become weapons gojo i argue with the EM waves not being a valid way to scale him for more reasons then inconsistently but even if you do Makima would be able to react if we say she scales to yoru which isn’t absurd since the primal fears should be relative to a degree and Makima could react and clash with the darkness devil who should upscale yoru and yoru fought a weaker pochita then Makima and pochita never got the chance to even fight abck since yoru was sniping him the entire fight, but again as per gojo off of the Hakari feat and few others also should be in the MHS+ range
@@YoungShonen island-country 💀
@@Unremarkable6969 for gojo’s earthquake yeah but country is the really high end stuff and the typhoon devil is pretty blatant unless you argue it was a thunderstorm then the feat is only city level
2:12 To be fair, Kashimo’s lightning has a sure-hit effect.
@@pzychosaiyan So how could Hakari dodge it 🧐
@ Technically he didn’t, he just moved so it wouldn’t hit his head.
Hmmmmm
Noted, thanks man
@ Not tryna call you out, I actually agree with the video.
We need a new seththeprograner and it could be you!
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@@Unremarkable6969 wait what?
1:31 it is an instant delete button against anyone without defense on the atomic level
Which most of fiction that has fantastical combat has
Well and people with Regeneration, since even cursed spirits like Hanami are able to use Reversed Cursed Technique to heal from it
@@Unremarkable6969Just want to point out
I meant most of fiction has atomic level Defense not most of fiction doesn't
I should've worded it better(fixed it now)
Nah you're chill
@@Unremarkable6969thanks
Are you going to talk about their cell vs metal sonic cast?
I might? Cause Metal Sonic and Cell are two of my favorite characters from those respective verses.
What do you think of the YT Classic Man D? He's mostly just a shorts Tuber, mostly answering questions people ask him about from video games to cartoons, anime, and movies "Well folks. It's about that time!", but he does give out Death Battle criticisms and has dumped on Death Battle multiple times, even said some verdicts were flat out wrong, like in Darth Vader vs Obito and Naruto vs Ichigo, while bringing up actual evidence, and even he says Gojo should have won against Makima.
I like his personality, he is very entertaining, but his scaling is shaky at best.
@@Unremarkable6969 To be real, at this point, everybody's scaling is pretty shaky. Tyrecordslol (I like him, but he's extremely bias for Sonic. I don't care what anybody says, base Sonic is not multiversal because he beat Erazor Djinn and still lost me completely with his Mario video saying every Mario is a different Mario and calling the Everything is canon in Mario and author's fallacy when Sonic is guilty of the exact same thing ,and also claiming everything Sonic related is canon -- and his Knuckles vs DK debunk where he gave Knuckles a ton of stuff and omitted Strong Kong for DK for some reason),
DevonteTheOne (it's animation jokes, but he made YT shorts on people who can beat Goku, some understandable like Pegasus Seiya and modern day Kratos and some just wild like Sailor Moon, Persona 5 Joker, and Giorno Giovanna), SeththeP*do (I have no respect for him), Jobbers and Goons/Dr Splash (he does bring up interesting issues about scaling, like bringing up Spider Man's very bizarre win record), Chuck (he downplayed Yu Yu Hakusho like crazy a couple of times). Still, I couldn't take everything said to me at face value, even if it's official, like Android 17 being on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku because he *"SOMEHOW"* defeated and tamed a small group of Perfect Cell Jr.s despite him not being able to keep up with Imperfect Cell and Cell Jr is on par with Perfect Cell himself.
@@Unremarkable6969 Then there's Smash Bracket where they try to use full research to see who is the strongest Smash character canonically (from obscure stuff they found, Fire Emblem power levels can now compete with Sonic the Hedgehog, Super Mario, Castlevania, and Kirby apparently) and then there's Animation Rewind people used to say was the anti Death Battle with better research.
Nah, the DB was BS.
Gave Makima the speed advantage and said her bang attack could kill him.
Yet they give the win to Gojo?
I feel you
I Personally don't think gojo should of won especially since even if not reality warping makima's abilities and devil powers are like Law based abilities
And makima is a primal devil, She was able to hurt the darkness devil that does exist on a somewhat universal and definitly conceptual scale
And from part 2 we know these concepts are not basic. Since the removal of said concepts retro activities removes the existence of what they produce from the universes timeline. people dont remember them causality and all...Makima pointed at darkness and he got crippled from a blast that should blow gojo up and the only people to tank that in Chainsawman was Hero of hell and darkness devil...
I’m not gonna lie, I had fun with helping with this. I’m glad I met you; and well, I learned a lot (maybe I’m glazing since we don’t know eachother… idrk lmao. Scaling is fun)
The problem with the speed sckaing is that jackpot hakari dosnt have infinite stats or anything cuz whal he has infinite stamina can use it all at once like a gun with infinite bullets he cant use them all at once thow and charecters like maki or toji react to and see lightning in slow motion
@@fidomf7922 Toji and Maki are also peak physical beings with heavenly pacts, so their physical abilities wouldn't scale to most sorcerers.
@@Unremarkable6969
I know but they would scale bellow gojo and sukuna and yuta yuuji hakari rika maybe kusakbe and higruma would scale to it thow those last to might be a stretch so basically everyone who's alive by the end of the story and relevant would at least some scale to it
Also the Mach 3 thing is both travel speed and stated by the author to be kind of silly since he when from infinite to Mach which I think infinite JJK is a wank scale but the lighting timing and reletvitc stuff is more consistent
9:13 my ears hurt
@@dynamis1720 WE ALREADY KNOW THE SMELL OF THE GAME 🗣️🗣️🗣️
The sudden shift in volume was unexpected @@Unremarkable6969
Bro could makima could destroy the whole city at once gojo hollow purple but in 120 was able to make a huge explosion that is similar to sukunas fuga and 200% hollow purple was almost destroyed the whole Shinjuku city leaving some buildings got injured behind if gojo can expand his domain by shrinking also expanding big about 200 radius from the manga book on there 3rd clash gojo is scaled to planetary
Blink if your being held hostage
Almost destroyed a city so he is Planetary ☠️
@@JamesAlibanjr the only planetary character would be yuki bc of that damn black hole other than that nobody scales closer than her not to mention she still got no-diffed by Aizenjaku
I had a stroke reading this 😂😂 Gojo will never be planetary
@@TheOneWhoAsked33 exactly bro where did they get this 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Island lvl is just ultra wanky lol , sukuna is small city to city lvl (with malevolent shrine )
Gojo Can't Actually Destroy Dagon's Domain And thus Isn't Island Lvl
Dagon is Only a Controller 🎮 and "Captivating view of Skander" is the TV📺
Just Because you scale above a Controller and can Break it doesn't mean you can break the TV Gojo can Only break the connection between the real world and The Domain (btw the domain is less than 200 meters big)
But He has 0 statements saying he can destroy Everything within the Domain
Gojo can Break The Computer 💻 (the Domain)
But not the Internet 🛜 (the Island and Sun)
4:00 strength wise
There's the kenjaku special grade statement
Could wipe out a country on his own bs
Kenjaku after killing a bunch of random humans = country level.
It's like saying Genghis khan is multicontinental
Understand everything that you said but Gojo does not go to Island level just like Makima is Max City level because remember Gojo versus sukuna at the end of the fight before Gojo turned into the divided one he blew up the entire city I didn't have any oops like at the beginning of the fight that Halo purple does not count the first Halo purple he did and secondly I don't understand never talked about infinity even if I could stay and Gojo's domain for 145 days she could still not get past Infinity obviously Gojo just keep killing her until eventually he kills himself where will the attack get blocked by Infinity that's really something to think about was Gojo's own attack block buy Infiniti
I humbly disagree on hakari speed scale point
Sukuna 15 finger one shotted that one mf that's relative to yuta who's himself relative to hakari
They clearly trained against sukuna attacks and did multiple plans specifically against him (kusukabe defense panels and yuta I've cheated panels)
So there's a difference between pre time skip and after + kashimo boost if that makes sense
In short they were jumping cuz jjk
Sukuna was like half hp from gojo and they trained specifically against him with plans that it went from one shotting yuji ryo ...ect to doing some amount of damage
So much so that i don't see gojo and sukuna being thousands of times stronger then the rest of the cast impossible
The problem with Gojo is Gege himself claimed he doesn’t know how Gojo’s powers work so if they assumed purple just erased stuff from existence that would kind of make sense as her body and atoms arnt being harmed they’re just disappearing gage even hired experts to make theories about how his abilities work but there just that, theories. If Makima won someone would probably come up with a different theory then this TH-camr. Claim the theory is fact and Gojo vs makima would then have same same amount of controversy no matter who wins.
Purple doesn't erase stuff from existence
@@chideraumejiaku3895 Gage claimed it did when he stated it erases matter but then he wanted to be able to explain so he asked experts on that stuff and that’s when he admitted he didn’t really understand how his powers work. He pretty much gave a character an ability that’s not scientifically possible, realize he won’t be able to explain it cause he’s not an expert on astro space stuff, learn Gojo’s ability is impossible do to the whole matter can’t be created or destroyed thing and just say, “ya I don’t understand it either” then leave us to deal with it.
Either way I personally think because of this power scalers should either just except the results are gonna be theoretical or just assume the jjk universe has different scientific rules.
@wv5853 Where did gege claim it erases matter?
Because gege has an ability that actually erases matter and it acts nothing like hollow purple.
Hollow purple shouldn't be creating rubble if it actually erases matter
@@chideraumejiaku3895 he was asked about it once and his answer got translated to English, the answer was “it is an imaginary mass that erases everything it touches or removes it from reality”, however this could also be a rough translation do to the article being in English and again he also changed his opinion about it after learning it didn’t make scientific sense he later described it as something he didn’t understand in a panel after realizing the science and decided to keep it vague after admitting he didn’t understand how it works in a panel.
Either way I couldn’t find very much statements of him describing it but I chose to trust that statement about it being vague over trying to apply a scientific explanation when Gege likely didn’t think of the science when creating it for the same reason Araki never thought of the sonic blasts Dio for some reason isn’t creating when time is frozen.
They thought hollow purple was hakai
@@lazerbreaker4758 bro is not that guy 😭
@Unremarkable6969 right
@@Unremarkable6969 lol
0:27 no that's 95% of the reason
The 5% is jjk fans thinking gojo can beat fiction because of infinity(evidence suggests even ftl can bypass it)
Alright time to engagement boost
I do like engagement 🤔
how can FTL bypass infinity? just curious
@@TheOneWhoAsked33 here is how
Firstly gojos speed is consistently not close to ftl even his subconscious is slower meaning anyone ftl can blitz him
Now gojo explained infinity via zeno's paradox so infinity point has Half way points and it slows speed after each one is reached
This process is never called instant of even referred to as instant even indirectly and assuming it's instant is wrong due to lack of evidence
Thus any capable of blitzing gojo can bypass it(Reason why it didnt happen in jjk is because he is the fastest)
@@ahmedriyad4264 ok so you're already wrong on the first part, Gojo's infinity is activated at all times so it doesn't matter if you're ftl, you're not going to hit him. Now if you were infinite speed+ then yes you are
@@shiori00 that doesnt address my debunk at all
I am calling the slow down affect finite speed meaning no matter if it's on or off speed blitzing gojo bypasses it
It being atomic lvl erasure still means makima cant survive it
Transfer the damage again.
honestly even if it's not accurate most of us didn't want her to win not even the chainsaw man fans wanted her to win, and death battle probably used that advantage to get more views
@@Xx-jumpshot_edits Fuck Makima, all my homies HATE Makima
Don't gojo also regenerate
Yeah but that clearly didn't stop him before 😒
receiving information isnt a attack (if killing makima with good intentions isnt) therefore infinite void solos also kenjaku was able to react to yuki's black hole and gojo blitzes him so gojo is mftl
Massively suppressed black hole
@@Unremarkable6969 still a black hole
a massively suppressed Nuke is not the same as a nuke
@@Unremarkable6969 not a comparable subject as even a tiny black hole the size of a baseball can pull in light
The Gojo side of this argument essentially boils down too:
"Makima's hax and resistances are actually so effective in countering Gojo that I'm just going to lie and purposefully misinterpret them for the sake of a character from a manga in which I have... haven't, actually read." It's so tiring
Something I found Is only 1% of people who think Gojo > Makima actually read the manga
And the ones that have Watched Death Battle (even though They miss interpret Makima's powers)
Basically. The fucking contract itself doesnt require her to be alive, nor does a Domain Expansion attack matter.
bro u need to debunk the Shadow vs Mewtwo video, the amount of downplaying was painful
Maybe
Bro ignored evry statement and just lowballed the shit out of jjk
Gojo pfp spotted
@Unremarkable6969 i knew you would use my pfp as astepoing stone
Gojo litterally explained that combining red and blue, two infinities, creates a scenario when -1 apple exists.
In FACT erasing from existence.
You said hanami got hit by hollow purple, but he just buzzed off, and sukuna litterally has anti-existence erasure hax
Gojo got hit by it too so does he have anti-erasure resistance too?
@@Unremarkable6969 they use cursed energy to countermeasure it.
And gojo said it was his own attack that's why it didn't Mirk him
Can Sonic beat Gojo?
Yes 🗿
Classic Sonic clears
ofc
Since gojo has a almost zero curse energy cost for using his techniques as any lost CE is recovered faster then lost and he can keep his brain his fresh with RCT and mikima can't move in the domain and gojo can teleport. Gojo can just keep using infinite void plus hit and run techniques over months to kill makima.
That's a very "plug your controller up Gojo's ass" way of doing things.
Can you do ben10 vs green lantern
Maybe
holy jjk downscale 😭 no offense dude but you have no idea how the jjk power system works
@@nijima7081 Really now? 🧐
I mean in simple terms : JJK is initially less powerful then the whole of Chainsaw Man. Don't get me wrong, as much as I love JJK and I'm a huge fan of all the characters, even I have to admit that most of them can't deal with the universe. Even Gojo and Mahito, who have chances on certain devils can't beat every single one of them. Look at the primal fears and how they're proving to be a threat to Denji, who can literally erase devils. It doesn't mean that JJK is weak or anything like that, but it does mean when you compare the universes together, they're is essentially a power difference.
Also just to throw my two cents at the Hollow Purple argument : I do agree it doesn't vaporize or insta kill, because there's so much evidence that it can be blocked or minimize damage from. I do want to ask @Unremarkable6969 what do you think the push and pull of Purple would count as?
Because we know that purple uses push and pull on the atomic level, we have a few option (obviously in theory) of what that push and pull could be :
Bonding : When atoms get close enough to bond together.
Repulsion : repel each other.
Nuclear Fusion : two atoms create a single larger atom (Like in Naruto)
Ionization : when atoms gain or lose electrons and become ion.
Love to hear your theory on this, just so we can find a ground on what purple is closer to.
@@Unremarkable6969I mean you said curses uses RCT
@@dragergrap Cause they do 🧐
@@Unremarkable6969
1-in chapter 117 sukuna says the sword of extermination would have killed him if he was a curse because it used RCT.
2-In chapter 175 yuta takes out kurourushi with RCT point blank
Those two thing quite literally scream “curses and allergic to RCT” , so how would they use them to heal?
Their is also sukuna saying curses can heal easier than humans. which could be him just saying because curses uses base cursed energy to heal.
2:17 yes and they do? So i dont get the point
The issue is that if Gojo and Sukuna are FTL, then that means either everyone's getting curb stomped, or everyone is FTL, which is massively inconsistent with other feats.
@ yes and everyone would get curb stomped by either of them. The only reason they beat sukuna is because that he got jumped multiple times, even sneaked multiple times, and wasnt going all out from the beginning against the anti sukuna squad. Its not at all inconsistent for sukuna to be thousand times faster everyone else, neither is it for gojo to be. Yuji also gets stronger and stronger through the fight.
"Nah I'd win"
*dies*
@@Unremarkable6969 *Gojo fans go into denial* 😭
A very accurate debunked, I salute you good Sir.
Roger 🫡
Finally a video which doesn't glaze Gojo and downplay Makima. The entire JJK-verse gets soloed by just the Gun Devil lol, the only person who wouldn't die instantly would be Gojo. CSM is so downplayed and disrespected by scalers its crazy
To be fair, Gojo can beat gun devil by I don't know hollow purpling a hundred times
While he's protected by Infinity
@@FirstLast-hd4oeGojo could kill it with Hollow Purple but it's too fast to be tagged by him
@@terminaliusGojo stomps ngl
Gum devil solos? Yeah nah you're just glazing csm 💀
@@shiori00Everybody in JJK who isn't named Gojo gets shot in the head from 500 km away soon as as it spawns lol, even Sukuna
Well if you basically agree with the outcome then its not debunked its more like corrected.
@@MeltyVampire well yeah but Death Battle corrected doesn't have the same ring to it :3
@@Unremarkable6969 LOL true
so tldr if you use ur interp she wins if u dont he wins, good video tho somethings are disagreable and kinda hc
I belive gojo wins this but i respect your opinion
@@aliceo1568 fair enough
She cant kill gojo
It was stated that unlimited void doesn't affect gojo
We have never seen makima regenerate from basically atoms so hollow purple is a one shot
The only move that can get through infinity is the bang move and the other move aka ritual needs some time before it can be executed
Gojo is also physically better and faster than makima and has better endurance feats.
End of story gojo wins 9/10 times
Gojo stan cope 🥱
@@Unremarkable6969 they forgot that hollow purple doesn't erase concepts and is an attack
and the contract transfers a fully finished attack to a RANDOM Japanese citizen that is equivalent to it.
so it wouldn't spread everywhere, it would be like Gojo just using his domain on one random person and not a whole group
like its not her regeneration
it transfer an attack to a random citizen
its not a hivemind like santa claus
@@Unremarkable6969 we have never seen makima regenerate from absolutely nothing if you think that is not enough. It was stated that unlimited void doesn't affect gojo.
Stop coping and accept the facts
@@Panda-hq8st it's also disingenuous to assume she couldn't regenerate from something like that, considering the terms of her contract. Also, even if you were right, Hollow Purple only scrambles your atoms, meaning Makima would be there. Even curses like Hanami are able to regenerate from Hollow Purple. Hell, even regular ass dudes like Toji can take it and not die instantly. Hollow Purple is not a viable win condition
@@Unremarkable6969 what about unlimited void then
1:06 is that... No it can't be! The APPLE LOGO?!
🗣️🗣️🗣️
😂 Someone finally challenging the rage bait stupid Gojo V makima vid. Gojo can't win. Why? 1: makima's contract to the Japan Prime Minister is still in tact where any citizen would die in her place. And she looks down on anyone, and she's had enough time being around them. Normal humans are easier for her to determine that they're weaker than her. So by default Hollow Purple ain't doing Jack to makima. Makima also loses the battle the moment she's lost scent of someone or views them as strong in comparison to her. For that, she's stated this before that she can only recognize someone by scent. Therefore, Makima lost her fight to denji due to her arrogance of not making sure he's finished when ripping pochita from denji's chest. Granted the first time, she knocked him into the stratosphere, and he ripped pochita out, threw pochita back into low orbit into Japan, and regenerated back. She probably wouldn't have known how he landed back on earth, given how far he was in the sky. For that reason alone, she has no real scent of denji because she's been smelling pochita the entire time. Hence, her contract protection backfired on her when denji went for the finishing kill. Losing the battle to someone, she legit did not recognize their existence because all she noticed was pochita. And for her, that was enough to not even bother trying to get to know denji enough to view him as weak (again, she needs to view someone as weaker to her for her control powers to work on them) she was controlling pochita to make denji act like a dog.
FTL JJK isn’t that insane, Gege has already admitted in the past that Mach 3 Naoya isn’t accurate and he’s much faster. Choso clearly gets stronger, I doubt piercing blood is just capped to Mach speed, seems more like a base line if anything. Hakari literally couldn’t dodge Kashimo’s lightning as it unavoidable. Gojo needs to selectively allow things inside infinitely but can still let in light (tho that’s more of a reaction feat).
Makima still wins imo. Makima would probably be fine even if she got hit by Halloween as she doesn’t share her consciousness with the contracted humans but instead passes on the damage.
Gege specifically said, "For those who are asking, why did you go from infinite to Mach in terms of speed, I agree with you". But infinite speed JJK is wank, putting it gently.
*But thanks