They have stated in the next podcast after that episode that if they just so wanted to rig the matches then they would make Bardock win but i still can't understand why they couldn't just use info that scales Bardock way higher than Omniman if there's more convincing arguments for that than the other way around
@@thermonwilliams1579 The fact that they still did this even after Toriyama's passing and the impact DBZ alone had moreso on the world spans generations compared to the small blip that Invincible has, memes and JK Simmons' performance aside. It's the equivalent of having a Harlequin baby go up against a roving Panzer tank, yet for no reason, the tank is stopped in its tracks, its wheels fall off, and it spontaneously combusts before running the thing over or firing a single shot. Death Battle is dumb, and I am happy Godzilla put Superman in his place OFFICIALLY.
I'll be frank, I don't know the full feats of Omni-Man, but another group of generally respected scalers, that being the Vsbattles Wiki, has taken his feats from the series and assigned him in the TV Series as "High-Continent" level or possibly higher. In the comics, Omni-Man is ranked as a Low-Planetary character, meaning he can destroy small planets and people with Planet Level durability. We can already confirm that Bardock already has at least the ability to destroy 50 small planets at least with Super Saiyan alone, and in quite a few cases, yes, power level is linear. If we were to simply use the canonical scaling as a low-ball, Vegeta requires a 24,000 Power Level to destroy the Planet Earth. The earth is about 81X more massive than the moon, and we know the moon requires a Power Level of about 300 to destroy from past cases. 300 X 81 is 24,300. With a small error of 300PL points, we get a rough equivalent. Base Bardock already has the calcs to be able to destroy a planet nearly 3X the earth, and that's with "Canon Only" power level feats. With Super Saiyan, that Planet level ascends to 145.8, which means Bardock can destroy a planet nearly 146X the size of earth. For reference, Jupiter is the most massive planet in our solar system, being 318X more massive than earth. Bardock can destroy nearly half of Jupiter. And for everyone, this isn't just destabilization of the planet, this is complete eradication of the planet with pure energy alone. Complete brute force. If Bardock went the Namek destabilization route, he actually could destroy Jupiter, as all he'd need to do is destroy the core with enough power. And all of this undersells the fact that Vsbattles wiki considers the tier above Low Planetary to be someone who can destroy a planet the size of Uranus or Neptune, with Neptune being the higher form (Since Neptune is more massive than Uranus), and Neptune is known to only be 17X more massive than earth. Following PL Logic, Bardock would only need a power level of 413,100 to destroy Neptune, and not even counting a Zenkai Boost, if we assume he never left a 10,000PL when stacking Super Saiyan's 50X on top, that's still a power level of 500,000. So there's no way Bardock is losing to Omni-Man, especially when he achieves Super Saiyan. Even Vsbattles agrees with me. They say that Bardock Base beats the strongest Omni-Man. vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Omni-Man_(Image_Comics) vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bardock_(Toei)
@@yaboikingkai3475 Super Saiyan should have been the turning point of the fight imo. Even if base Bardock is enough, the fight would be more satisfying the alternate route.
No master roshi in the tournament arc was 130 when he destroyed the moon and vegeta was bout to destroy the planet at a pl of 18000 he said so the reason he didn’t was bc goku pushed it back
@@Unremarkable6969 oh I was just tellin him that his numbers are off he used the wrong numbers if we go with what he said 130*81=10530 pl to destroy the earth and vegeta was at 18000 and stated he would so just lettin him know he’s wrong and it’s far easier than he stated
It's not just the Dragon Ball fans you're speaking on behalf of because death battle never does their research right for any of their fights. The fact that there exist videos correcting their calculations and analysis for every single fight they do should be telling enough.
I mean considering i have seen a lot of videos that are just completely wrong (Like hotel mario beating peppino spaghetti) I feel your pain on just seeing them not really get the characters all that well and choosing one side and just not doing them justice
Bardock is technically a Super Saiyan who's stuck in the past. Him attacking Freeza's ancestor is exactly why Freeza is afraid of Super Saiyans, since his forefather warned his clan that Super Saiyans are a problem. So technically, SSJ Bardock would either be on the same level as Omni-Man, or way higher.
While Death Battle has never been the best place to look for scaling, like *at all* this has gotta be one of the most disingenuously presented scales to date All the context surrounding the planet feat is just straight up ignored, and when speaking about it on Death Battle cast, it gets even more egregious. They claimed it was hard to find Omni-Man's exact contribution to the feat so they just... gave it to him in full? Not split the feat into 1/3 the way they've handled shared feats in literally every other occasion??? The sun disk statement is also an insane outlier and even then, it's debatable if it'd even apply or scale to Star Level to begin with. It's obvious it's like this on purpose for the controversy but man is it kinda frustrating to see (especially since DB is one of the loudest voices in powerscaling on the internet)
@@epicjon I don't know too much about Transformers or the kind of feats that series has. Maybe in the comics Megatron shook the multiverse or something
@@epicjonmegatron the canon verision damaged the void who is easily an outerversal deity stronger than all of the dbz verse mind u. Megatron also easily destroyed starscream’s armor that was rebuilt with ore 15 which is a multiversal durable armor
considering dodoria beats bardock and the guide books have them at 22K gas and bardock couldn't have been higher than that. Even so Bardock would still get a zenkai boost in the movie so he would before super sayian be at or above 22,000 still massively outclassing omniman in his strength and destructions feats
Death battle are the perfect example of powerscaling becoming intoxicating. Because they'll straight up lie. They'll make GT goku lose to ben 10. Even though GT goku's speed should be infinite/immeasurable/boundless due to the sogoroku dimension itself.
4:07 I definitely do believe the "universe destroying" Frieza was a massive hyperbole and was either a misstranslation or just inconsistent enough to be wrong. It's definitely an exaggeration that either gets retconned or disproven by many later arcs. But still at the bare minimum final form frieza should scale to anywhere between Large star to solar system level. Seeing as cell was around solar system to multi solar system himself likely just a much higher tier of it. Being like 10- 20 times stronger than frieza. And fat buu starting at galaxy level ending in multi galaxy to maybe even high universal with buhan. After that battle of gods happens goku pulls a low multiversal feat and so on and power levels are more or less consistent. Still bardock being superior to 2nd 3rd form frieza and even his holding back final form with a power level of 6-8 million. Puts him easily at large star level
Wats funny is them making something a thousand times the value look smaller 😂 A THOUSAND TIMES, for reference if there was a bar that represented both their speed omni man would be 2mm whilst bardock is 2m or comparing that to a door, bardock would be the entire door frame whilst Omni pan is the tint ah gap under the door 😂
Every time I watch the new death battle uploads I can't help but think "Oh this guy clearly wins" Only to go "What the fuck he lost?" about 20 minutes later. The absolutely worst example of this is Sonic vs Mario Please tell me why we are comparing a hedgehog who fights gods to a plumber who fights a giant turtle every other week
The fact they lowballed Super Sonic by not comparing him to Solaris and Time Eater because “they have abilities Sonic doesn’t possess” But they’re fine with scaling Mario to Donkey Kong’s moon punch and without hesitation compared to Mario to *DARK GAIA*
6:39 toyotaro stated bardock stronger than the gynyu force. Also above the limits of a normal saiyan. Vegeta with a power level of like 30k was considered above the norm by gynyu force members but not anything unheard off. Meanwhile goku arrived and gymyu assumed his power level could be around 60k (he underestimated goku) but that number was still high enough to be considered a mutant of his species like themselves the gynyu force being excelling. The average member besides ginyu himself had a power level of around 40k so bardock could easily be at around 45k power level. This is you ignore ginyu himself. If you assume bardock is also stronger than ginyu then this changes everything cause then Gas' power and therefore bardocks would be more along the heights of 125k with bardock being sufficiently higher to Completely Overwhelm Gas using his limit breaker status. Which means bardock could realistically be anywhere from 130k up to any higher number lower than frieza. Lets say 400k. More likely the lower end like 145k or something. But this is still absolutely ridiculous for a saiyan this early on in the story.
See, the great thing about a Death Battle debunk is that I don't actually have to cover anything else than what's in the video. I'm just very experienced in terms of Dragon Ball scaling.
I genuinely don't know where they messed up with the scaling man like seriously Issues later the sun disk gets contradicted By the planet thing And yes, they can bring up the argument.Oh , but conquest Blow up said ship , so he should be able to tank it Beams But first. Of all they never got a chance to fire the damn thing at him so we don't know if he could actually tank it Also , the whole planet thing , just ruins the whole star Argument because unless in less planet the Planet is star level For whatever reason Doesn't make any sense either I genuinely don't know what happened to the scalers they were using before But holy shit this was bad
Actually. The Viltrum bust doesn’t really contradict the Solar Disk scaling. They needed Space Racer’s fun to help destroy the planet. when it hit, all it did was temporarily de-stabilise the planet. This is the same gun that causes Stars to explode when it hits btw. Plus it’s also implied each viltrumite could’ve destroyed the planet individually
@@PooPooDoggo it is. The only real threat mentioned to them was the time limit, thanks to Viltrum re-stabilising and multiple Viltrumites attacking them. They very well could’ve just done it by themselves if those were not issues
@@carlhovell8843 Okay, in terms of raw lifting feats, DB is lacking. Admittedly. At least the main canon of DB. But DBS characters use Ki for pretty much everything.
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Death Battle trying not to be stupidly biased challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
Me when Death Battle does another Dragon Ball episode (My home team is definitely losing)
They have stated in the next podcast after that episode that if they just so wanted to rig the matches then they would make Bardock win but i still can't understand why they couldn't just use info that scales Bardock way higher than Omniman if there's more convincing arguments for that than the other way around
@@thermonwilliams1579 The fact that they still did this even after Toriyama's passing and the impact DBZ alone had moreso on the world spans generations compared to the small blip that Invincible has, memes and JK Simmons' performance aside.
It's the equivalent of having a Harlequin baby go up against a roving Panzer tank, yet for no reason, the tank is stopped in its tracks, its wheels fall off, and it spontaneously combusts before running the thing over or firing a single shot.
Death Battle is dumb, and I am happy Godzilla put Superman in his place OFFICIALLY.
They were biased TOWARDS Bardock. They highballed him and mentioned all his scaling and he still lost to Nolan’s Solar Disk scaling low ball lmao
@@helton1812 Mm, not really
Very awesome analysis bro
Keep it up
I'll be frank, I don't know the full feats of Omni-Man, but another group of generally respected scalers, that being the Vsbattles Wiki, has taken his feats from the series and assigned him in the TV Series as "High-Continent" level or possibly higher. In the comics, Omni-Man is ranked as a Low-Planetary character, meaning he can destroy small planets and people with Planet Level durability. We can already confirm that Bardock already has at least the ability to destroy 50 small planets at least with Super Saiyan alone, and in quite a few cases, yes, power level is linear. If we were to simply use the canonical scaling as a low-ball, Vegeta requires a 24,000 Power Level to destroy the Planet Earth. The earth is about 81X more massive than the moon, and we know the moon requires a Power Level of about 300 to destroy from past cases. 300 X 81 is 24,300. With a small error of 300PL points, we get a rough equivalent. Base Bardock already has the calcs to be able to destroy a planet nearly 3X the earth, and that's with "Canon Only" power level feats. With Super Saiyan, that Planet level ascends to 145.8, which means Bardock can destroy a planet nearly 146X the size of earth. For reference, Jupiter is the most massive planet in our solar system, being 318X more massive than earth. Bardock can destroy nearly half of Jupiter. And for everyone, this isn't just destabilization of the planet, this is complete eradication of the planet with pure energy alone. Complete brute force. If Bardock went the Namek destabilization route, he actually could destroy Jupiter, as all he'd need to do is destroy the core with enough power. And all of this undersells the fact that Vsbattles wiki considers the tier above Low Planetary to be someone who can destroy a planet the size of Uranus or Neptune, with Neptune being the higher form (Since Neptune is more massive than Uranus), and Neptune is known to only be 17X more massive than earth. Following PL Logic, Bardock would only need a power level of 413,100 to destroy Neptune, and not even counting a Zenkai Boost, if we assume he never left a 10,000PL when stacking Super Saiyan's 50X on top, that's still a power level of 500,000. So there's no way Bardock is losing to Omni-Man, especially when he achieves Super Saiyan.
Even Vsbattles agrees with me. They say that Bardock Base beats the strongest Omni-Man.
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Omni-Man_(Image_Comics)
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bardock_(Toei)
@@yaboikingkai3475 Super Saiyan should have been the turning point of the fight imo. Even if base Bardock is enough, the fight would be more satisfying the alternate route.
No master roshi in the tournament arc was 130 when he destroyed the moon and vegeta was bout to destroy the planet at a pl of 18000 he said so the reason he didn’t was bc goku pushed it back
@@Austation4850 The destruction of Planet Arale (I hope I spelled that right) has calcs putting it at Star level
@@Unremarkable6969 oh I was just tellin him that his numbers are off he used the wrong numbers if we go with what he said 130*81=10530 pl to destroy the earth and vegeta was at 18000 and stated he would so just lettin him know he’s wrong and it’s far easier than he stated
@@Austation4850 Ah my bad
Omni man should splat if he hits to hard almost punching brick wall
What i truly dislike about Screw Attack's Death Battle, Is they say things that are not true about the characters.
saw your recent video and now this, and i love it, its quick not unneedingly long, and simple!, already subscribed and turned on notifications
@@OnlySayori you're gonna make my heart explode
The strongest Viltramite (Thrag) wasn't star level, and Trunks (a much weaker ss than Goku) stomped Freeza.
Tf made them think Omni-Man was star level
It's not just the Dragon Ball fans you're speaking on behalf of because death battle never does their research right for any of their fights. The fact that there exist videos correcting their calculations and analysis for every single fight they do should be telling enough.
My expectations for death battle was low but holy f***
Me half of the battles, and the main problem its that even when they make a plausible result, they do it in a unlikely and bullshit way to happen.
This death battle was them playing favorites basically-_-
I mean considering i have seen a lot of videos that are just completely wrong
(Like hotel mario beating peppino spaghetti)
I feel your pain on just seeing them not really get the characters all that well and choosing one side and just not doing them justice
Bardock is technically a Super Saiyan who's stuck in the past. Him attacking Freeza's ancestor is exactly why Freeza is afraid of Super Saiyans, since his forefather warned his clan that Super Saiyans are a problem. So technically, SSJ Bardock would either be on the same level as Omni-Man, or way higher.
While Death Battle has never been the best place to look for scaling, like *at all* this has gotta be one of the most disingenuously presented scales to date
All the context surrounding the planet feat is just straight up ignored, and when speaking about it on Death Battle cast, it gets even more egregious. They claimed it was hard to find Omni-Man's exact contribution to the feat so they just... gave it to him in full? Not split the feat into 1/3 the way they've handled shared feats in literally every other occasion??? The sun disk statement is also an insane outlier and even then, it's debatable if it'd even apply or scale to Star Level to begin with. It's obvious it's like this on purpose for the controversy but man is it kinda frustrating to see (especially since DB is one of the loudest voices in powerscaling on the internet)
You should do a Scout Vs Tracer debunk video
@@Raven-Purple I don't know much about TF2 and Overwatch, sooooooo
Im a tf2 fan, but I'm pretty sure Tracer wins. Though the way they explained it was bs iirc
Death Battle really hates Dragon Ball anyway, in Frieza Vs Megatron they said that Frieza would have to use Black form
@@epicjon I don't know too much about Transformers or the kind of feats that series has. Maybe in the comics Megatron shook the multiverse or something
@@Unremarkable6969 I used to watch the cartoon when I was younger but I don’t remember any of it
@@Unremarkable6969 also it’s good to have you back
@@epicjonmegatron the canon verision damaged the void who is easily an outerversal deity stronger than all of the dbz verse mind u. Megatron also easily destroyed starscream’s armor that was rebuilt with ore 15 which is a multiversal durable armor
@@epicjonso honestly frieza should had lost they purposely didn’t use the right feats nor calculation for Megatron thus frieza won
If Bardock could display a power level stronger than Vegeta's lineage, he would be king of all Saiyans.
@@StEvUgnIn Bardock didn't show off his power to anyone really, Bardock is probably one of the least prideful Saiyans.
@@Unremarkable6969 Probably, because Bardock DBS is a family man.
@@StEvUgnIn which you could argue is a change for the worse but that's just my opinion idk
Deathbatttle, lowballing dragon ball?
No... Never...
Death Battle had be excited after how great Goku vs Superman 3 was. They should’ve stayed dead.
I like Death Battle, I just don't like their scaling
considering dodoria beats bardock and the guide books have them at 22K gas and bardock couldn't have been higher than that. Even so Bardock would still get a zenkai boost in the movie so he would before super sayian be at or above 22,000 still massively outclassing omniman in his strength and destructions feats
Das war das typische der Stufe ist weit wie je gesehen habe
Death battle are the perfect example of powerscaling becoming intoxicating.
Because they'll straight up lie.
They'll make GT goku lose to ben 10.
Even though GT goku's speed should be infinite/immeasurable/boundless due to the sogoroku dimension itself.
You should get a cheap mic if standalone mic or a pop filter.
I should but I won't :3
4:07 I definitely do believe the "universe destroying" Frieza was a massive hyperbole and was either a misstranslation or just inconsistent enough to be wrong. It's definitely an exaggeration that either gets retconned or disproven by many later arcs.
But still at the bare minimum final form frieza should scale to anywhere between Large star to solar system level. Seeing as cell was around solar system to multi solar system himself likely just a much higher tier of it. Being like 10- 20 times stronger than frieza.
And fat buu starting at galaxy level ending in multi galaxy to maybe even high universal with buhan. After that battle of gods happens goku pulls a low multiversal feat and so on and power levels are more or less consistent.
Still bardock being superior to 2nd 3rd form frieza and even his holding back final form with a power level of 6-8 million. Puts him easily at large star level
Wats funny is them making something a thousand times the value look smaller 😂
A THOUSAND TIMES, for reference if there was a bar that represented both their speed omni man would be 2mm whilst bardock is 2m or comparing that to a door, bardock would be the entire door frame whilst Omni pan is the tint ah gap under the door 😂
It's like Goku said in the Cell Saga, what good is power if you can't even hit him?
It makes it even worse if you give DBS Bardock Super Saiyan because DBS Bardock is comparable to the Ginyu Force.
Mhmhmhm
Every time I watch the new death battle uploads I can't help but think "Oh this guy clearly wins" Only to go "What the fuck he lost?" about 20 minutes later.
The absolutely worst example of this is Sonic vs Mario
Please tell me why we are comparing a hedgehog who fights gods to a plumber who fights a giant turtle every other week
That happens to me every time.
What about Joker vs Giorno? A lot of people say that was right despite everyone saying it was going to be controversial?
@@smartpatrick8690Giorno was never winning
The fact they lowballed Super Sonic by not comparing him to Solaris and Time Eater because “they have abilities Sonic doesn’t possess”
But they’re fine with scaling Mario to Donkey Kong’s moon punch and without hesitation compared to Mario to *DARK GAIA*
6:39 toyotaro stated bardock stronger than the gynyu force. Also above the limits of a normal saiyan. Vegeta with a power level of like 30k was considered above the norm by gynyu force members but not anything unheard off. Meanwhile goku arrived and gymyu assumed his power level could be around 60k (he underestimated goku) but that number was still high enough to be considered a mutant of his species like themselves the gynyu force being excelling. The average member besides ginyu himself had a power level of around 40k so bardock could easily be at around 45k power level. This is you ignore ginyu himself. If you assume bardock is also stronger than ginyu then this changes everything cause then Gas' power and therefore bardocks would be more along the heights of 125k with bardock being sufficiently higher to Completely Overwhelm Gas using his limit breaker status. Which means bardock could realistically be anywhere from 130k up to any higher number lower than frieza. Lets say 400k. More likely the lower end like 145k or something. But this is still absolutely ridiculous for a saiyan this early on in the story.
This was actually very wrong death battle got this very wrong but you can't expect them to get everything right
@@rahmadhiis7195 fair enough
Back up from the mic please, but w video
@@JohnnyAngelz436 *nom nom nom*
Btw saiyans get stronger after near death experiences so
I don't think they like anime
Probably not
0:40 I won't be covering Omni Man's feats because I don't know too much about that series." Cry me a river, weeb. 😂😂😂
See, the great thing about a Death Battle debunk is that I don't actually have to cover anything else than what's in the video. I'm just very experienced in terms of Dragon Ball scaling.
@@Unremarkable6969 Yeah, keep justifying your laziness and being a Dagon Ball fanboy.
@zyuranger21 I mean I am lazy so :3
ohh wow using the term Weeb I'm totally crying and offended right now OOOOOOO what ever shall i do
@@zyuranger21 oooo scary 😨
I genuinely don't know where they messed up with the scaling man like seriously Issues later the sun disk gets contradicted By the planet thing And yes, they can bring up the argument.Oh , but conquest Blow up said ship , so he should be able to tank it Beams But first.
Of all they never got a chance to fire the damn thing at him so we don't know if he could actually tank it Also , the whole planet thing , just ruins the whole star Argument because unless in less planet the Planet is star level For whatever reason Doesn't make any sense either I genuinely don't know what happened to the scalers they were using before But holy shit this was bad
@@nathongonzales2677 yeah see you get it
Actually. The Viltrum bust doesn’t really contradict the Solar Disk scaling. They needed Space Racer’s fun to help destroy the planet. when it hit, all it did was temporarily de-stabilise the planet. This is the same gun that causes Stars to explode when it hits btw. Plus it’s also implied each viltrumite could’ve destroyed the planet individually
@@helton1812 never implied.
@@PooPooDoggo it is. The only real threat mentioned to them was the time limit, thanks to Viltrum re-stabilising and multiple Viltrumites attacking them. They very well could’ve just done it by themselves if those were not issues
@@helton1812 They wouldnt get a massive power boost just because they arent being attacked anymore 😭
Is it just me or does Omni-Man’s face in the episode awful
Looks like a 3D beavis and butthead
dude stop touching your mic.
*nom nom nom*
Nasty death battle awful ending
Bleh icky
Omni Man should have one shotter Bardock
*one shot
And if you think so
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah, I think so. Bardock's feats doesn't come close to Omni man
@@rhythmkhandelwal2940 a respectable opinion
Saiyans aren't physically strong
@@carlhovell8843 Mm, are you sure about that?
@Unremarkable6969 Mmm, goku was stronger than any pure saiyan to ever live and he struggled to lift 40 tons
@@carlhovell8843That is lifting strength not striking strength
@@carlhovell8843 Okay, in terms of raw lifting feats, DB is lacking. Admittedly. At least the main canon of DB. But DBS characters use Ki for pretty much everything.
@@OyinkansolaAgboola That's physical strength, like I said.
We should discuss on this, you have Discord?
My discord is SpoierShadow if you want to