RTX 3070 Ti vs RTX 4070 Super: The Ultimate Comparison!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- How big of an upgrade is the RTX 4070 Super over the RTX 3070 Ti, which was the previous generations GPU at the same price point? In additional to more cores and a newer architecture we also get a 50% increase to VRAM. Let's see how the RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 4070 Super compare in the latest games!
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Chapters:
0:00 Why test the 3070 Ti vs RTX 4070 Super?
2:10 Don't judge gameplay smoothness by the video, use the frametime graph
3:23 Avatar 1080p Ultra
3:50 Avatar 1080p High
4:17 Avatar 1440p Ultra
4:45 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
5:12 Avatar 1440p High
5:40 Avatar 1440p High DLSS Q
6:06 Avatar 4K Ultra
6:34 Avatar 4K Ultra DLSS Q
7:00 Avatar 4K High
7:28 Avatar 4K High DLSS Q
7:55 Alan Wake 2 1080p High
8:22 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
8:50 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS Q FG
9:17 Alan Wake 2 4K High
9:44 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS Q
10:11 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High
10:38 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High DLSS Q FG
11:06 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS Q FG
11:33 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS P FG
12:00 Alan Wake 2 4K RT High DLSS P FG
12:27 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive
12:54 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive DLSS Q FG
13:22 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS Q FG
13:49 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS P FG
14:16 Baldur's Gate 3 1080p Ultra
14:43 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
15:10 Baldur's Gate 3 4K Ultra
15:38 CoD MW3 1080p Basic
16:04 CoD MW3 1440p Basic
16:32 CoD MW3 4K Basic
16:59 Starfield 1080p Ultra
17:26 Starfield 1440p Ultra
17:53 Starfield 1440p Ultra DLSS Q FG
18:21 Starfield 4K Ultra
18:48 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS Q FG
19:15 Resident Evil 4 1080p Max
19:42 Resident Evil 4 1080p Prioritize Graphics
20:09 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max
20:36 Resident Evil 4 1440p Prioritize Graphics
21:04 Resident Evil 4 4K Max
21:31 Resident Evil 4 4K Prioritize Graphics
21:58 RoboCop 1080p Epic
22:25 RoboCop 1440p Epic
22:53 RoboCop 1440p Epic DLSS Q FG
23:20 RoboCop 4K Epic
23:47 RoboCop 4K Epic DLSS Q FG
24:14 Final Thoughts - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Paying $850 for a 3070 ti on launch day (and thinking it was a great deal) was one of the dumbest hardware purchases ive made in my life. I sold it within a year.
Yup.... DLLs not work 😢
Hopefully such stupid decision taught you something
Daniel keeps on giving, almost daily content with relevant information straight to the point. My go-to TH-camr for GPU and CPU news and performance benchmarks.
Some say Daniel is a tech legend. Sounds legit.
@@AlexanderMichelson I heard the same.
More importantly, he's basically the only one who's doing head to head GPUs on a regular basis with this large test suite? It's kind of rare to see the other big channels compare single GPU to single GPU.
The kids are behaving lately 😅
@@alargecorgi2199biggest thing is he's super personable as well. Love how he has a face cam and really talks to us and does the news as well, as opposed to pure testing channels.
As a 3070TI owner, I am grateful of that benchmark. Wasn't planning on upgrading, but it sure is nice to have your GPU tested against the newest generation version to see what you might be missing on and if you want to consider upgrading.
Sucks buying the 3070ti October 2022 for 700$ now a 4070 super is 599. Hurts my soul lol but I'll wait till the 50 series comes out.
@@tristenpage8075 Don't remind me, bought mine in early 2022 for $900 :'[
I have the 3070ti too, would rather just turn down settings then spend $600. I think the game devs need to do a better job at optimizing newer games. Even consoles don't have a gpu as good as the 3070ti running.
@@PaulRohrbaughthe devs🤡 work with the tsmc machine so that we keep buying
@@subjectivereviewsfactual. The higher ups want us to buy every/every other generation for maximum profits.
All of this testing is tedious and takes ages for sure, but it's really useful! Keep doing it, Daniel!
Exactly my thoughts as a 3070 owner. I bet the 5070 will at least give me double the performance in about 12 months
The rumors are that the performance difference between the 50 series and the 40 series is going to be less than the difference between the 40 series and 30 series. And leaks have been true for the last 4 or so years now so yeah... Also Nvidia's leaker said that they're going to heavily market their "efficiency" meaning they're prepared to label a card that was going to be a 5060 as a 5060ti or even a 5070. So I wholeheartedly expect the 50 series cards to be shit. While praying that intel actually forces Nvidia and AMD's hands to drop something meaningful.
@@NyangisKhanIt really depends upon the price for which we will buy the Nvidia cards , if they keep the same or 50$ hike in price I think it would be worth it
After 4070, I suspect they'll keep 192-bit for 5070 and the anemic VRAM along with it. Feels like 4070TiS might be the real successor to 3070.
@@Droon_Jadhav I think you mean a price drop right? There is no way in hell you meant a price hike is a good thing. And if a potential card is being upgraded in name only to be sold at a higher price, it's *never* worth it. It mean's the consumers are getting f*cked even more.
@@sapphyrus yes you r right . im upgrading to super ti from 3070 FE bought in 26jan 2021
Thank you for disclosing the frame timing and how it can effect the playback
Best comparison vids on youtube! Thanks. Would love it if all the results were shown in a graph grouped by resolution, since comparing perf across all games for 1 resolution is difficult.
Thanks for the stutter clarification totally forgot the mismatch between 60FPS capture and the actual framerate. Great content as always!
It's like you know iv been looking for this. Keep up the awesome content
Wow Daniel, this is a huge amount of work and we thank you for it. I'm not sure you addressed the issue of increased CPU load on upgrading your GPU (although possibly you did and I missed it, there was a lot in this video). Looking at the CPU load watching your tests I saw a 25% to 50% increase in CPU load between the two GPUs. I don't remember what CPU you're using but increasing your GPU performance by 30% has the potential to move the bottleneck to the CPU and then you're leaving the new GPU's performance on the table. For example, my rig is running an RX6800XT and an I5-12600KF. In Cyberpunk I've tuned the settings to give me 74FPS at 1440P with everything set to ultra/high, RT reflection mapping on but the rest of RT off and FSR2 set to auto. The GPU runs at 95% utilization and the CPU is at 80%. If I was to upgrade my GPU for significantly more performance, I feel I would have to upgrade my CPU as well to handle the extra load and suddenly that GPU upgrade is a lot more expensive. It's just a thought.
Like your comparison analogy from the start. Great work!
thank you for doing high settings with dlss/fsr quality :)
I own the extinct EVGA 3070ti and have been considering an upgrade for a while now. This video actually made me feel better about overpaying a few years ago due the crypto boom. You have given me hope that I can ride this out for a bit longer. Thanks man!
Oof i had this card. Let it go and regret it. Even though i now run a better card.
You explain multiple concepts and performance differences very well. Great video.
You’re the best benchmark channel hands down. I’ve been recommending you on Reddit for people that cant find relevant info and comparisons.
I love the detail you get into. Amazing videos!
Great video especially for owners of rtx 3070 ti like myself. I will hold on to it until 50% perf jump, 2x vram for the same price
It's worth the upgrade, assuming you sell your 3070TI as used and get back at least $300. So is a 50% boost worth $300 and that doesn't include FG? Yes, plus it is running much cooler and efficient. I did the move when the 4070TI came out, got $400 back on selling 3070TI used. And for $400 it has been worth it from the start in that switch. To me for 1440P, the 4070S at $600 is the sweet spot for easily hitting your #'s and for saving $200 vs the next model up. I would have bought the 4070S card over the 4070TI if it were available day one, still luv the 4070TI and I get some extra performance yet.
Hey Daniel, love the videos.. what do you think about and dropping the price of their 7900xt to $750?
This is the best GPU review I have ever seen! You know your stuff man and you're honest! I have 3070ti and was considering the upgrade to the 4070super but you're absolutely correct in your assessment here.. The generational upgrade isn't worth the actual cost at this time! Hopefully the 50 series lives up to a 50% boost and for the wait of a year, Im sure I can deal with a few lower settings.
The sad part is that 3070/ti gpu itself still has enough horsepower to give, they killed it by giving it little vram, now i'm afraid history gonna repeat itself, though maybe not 4070ti super
12gb in 2024 is a bad joke
@@sinenomine4540 also these prices
@@sinenomine4540No it isn’t 12gb is the bare minimum not unplayable.
@@sinenomine4540 12gb Should be entry level.
Need a opinion, I currently have a 3070 TI paired w/ 10850K 32GB Ram, I play mostly warzone on 1440p and i like to stream from the same PC. I barely get around 120-130ish frames at the optimal competitive settings and that's all with optimizing my windows. Should i get a 4070 ti super when it comes out or just hold it out for the 50 series cards?
Interested to see a 4080 vs a 4080 super review as always well done
Performance-wise that one will be the least interesting.
Honestly, the most exciting thing about the 4080 Super is that it's probably going to make AMD lower the MSRP of the 7900 XTX.
@@marcelosoares7148The 7900xtx sucks though.
it will be one of the most uninteresting and decaffeinated of all time, exactly like the 2080 and 2080 super back in the day but this one may be even worse.
Same thing no performance gain worth it
Have you ever thought about adding power/effeciency testing to your videos?
This review was particularly interesting for me as I have a 3070 Ti and I mainly play Call of Duty. I'm waiting for next gen before I upgrade; however, I'm barely getting 100 fps on MW III with Basic setting on dlss quality 1440p . I would love to know what settings you used.
Love your channel Daniel. Hopefully your students know how lucky they’re. You’re a wealth of knowledge my man!!
Great video! I'm a 3070ti owner and found this very useful. It is great to see that while the 4070 Super has the expected gains in performance that it often does that while consuming significantly less power and while generating less heat - as a fan of SFF builds this card suddenly becomes more of a consideration.
I think it'd be reasonable to test 1080p at DLSS Quality, 1440p at DLSS Balanced, and 4k at DLSS Performance, as these are the Nvidia recommended settings and look quite good since DLSS 3 upscaling (which anyone can implement by just replacing the .DLL with a newer distro).
I understand not doing that for FSR as I don't think most gamers will opt to use any setting more aggressive than Quality, but the other options are totally viable for DLSS.
Edit: btw I should say that I think the video was great. I appreciate that you take the time to do these more comprehensive comparisons
For people surprised of how "bad" the 3070Ti is, i remind you that is like 5% stromger than the 3070 and has the same 8GB but GDDR6X instead regular GDDR6.
And the regular 3070Ti is still superior than the 4060Ti, that's how bad the lower end of RTX4000 is.
Is it? It looks to be £800 vs £450 to me. That sounds like the 4060 Ti 16Gb is cheaper, has more VRAM, uses less power and has better DLSS and other features.
The 3070Ti seriously suffers from VRAM bottlenecking it’s just not enough for modern 1440p gaming
4070 Super vs 3080 TI ~450$ used market
12gb is waste of money
Yeah, I agree, it seems to me that from now on 12 gb is 1080p niche, 16gb for 1440p, and 20 gb is for 4k. But prices are scary for that memory/perf models. I wonder what will happen when GPU will have new Graphene technology as GPU DIE. Perhaps RTX 5000 will have those, and will get huge jump in perf, like 100% and more, but if 5000 will continue old technology, we will get 30% as usual, so it is very exciting, how fast graphene technology will progress, it's look like future to me@@lifemocker85
at 1440p is a bit above 3090 or at least on par so bit better but still 12gb so is dogshit.
Hey Daniel I would appreciate to see how the 3070ti used price (i got mine for $350 USD) compares to the New Equivalent price point (either AMD or NVIDIA)
*In UK already under £600, found some at £570*
I paid $1200 for my 3070ti back in 2021.😪
upgraded from a 1050ti to a 4070super. i think thats enough of a performance boost to justify my purchase XD
I have a 5800x and 3070ti
Motherboard biostar x470gta pci 3.0
I want upgrade to 4070ti super
But what about bottleneck? Is 5800x enough for 4070Ti Super?
Or motherboard with pci 3.0 is too old? (I searched info about comparison 3070ti with pci 3.0 and pci 4.0 and difference was only 2-3fps, but maybe 4070ti s had another result idk)
A lot of people are saying to wait for the 5000 series, but what they seem to forget is that the 4070 super is currently $600, and well... you can be damned sure the 5000 series is gonna be more than $1k. And there is no way in hell I or I'd be willing to say most of us are paying that much for a gpu lol
This would sell like hell, if they made it with 16gb of vram, but we are talking about Nvidia, they don't want to give us a good card, but a card that will need a change in 2 years... And 7900xt prices are going down fast, so people will buy that:))
Just be clever and turn shadows down from ultra which you'll never notice anyway
@@JoeMaranophotography Shadows and in some games volumetric fogs
Yeah, nvidia learnt with the 1080ti that giving a good card just means people won't buy your crappily priced cards in later generations. 1080ti still isn't much slower than a 4060. 3060 also makes them mad because its cheap and has lots of vram while being at a decent price now, thus being a good value productivity and gaming hybrid card. 4060ti 16gb has a similar niche but its obviously more expensive.
I think your in the minority of people caring about 12GB vs 16GB.
Stop crying
As a 3070 owner, I’m still considering the 4070 Super. For me, the extra VRAM and DLSS 3 are massive selling points, as well as the fact that I do try to play most games at 4K. It’s not gonna be for everyone, but there are solid reasons to upgrade, especially if you’re planning on reselling your current card to offset the cost of a new one.
if you play at 4K you are going to want a larger bus width and 16gb of vram to future proof, I would suggest waiting for the 5070
picked up a 4070 super dual slot, to stick in my sff case, replacing a 1080ti. I feel the value was just good enough in the super to pull the trigger. Should be a solid 1440p card for many years.
12gb is already struggling
shame on you for spending money on rip-off products
Good buy. It will serve you well for a long time with great features
@@sinenomine4540shame on you
on what? at 1440 i struggle to find a game that maxxes it out. its not meant for 4k.@@lifemocker85
hey! Is that really 4070S is much colder than 3070 ti? At the moment I have 3070ti but I have ordered 4070 super palit jetstream ...
Thanks men for the informative vid!
daniel is the perfect allrounder pc tech tuber, who can provide extremely detailed benchmarking videos and pc tech news.. a legend💘
One thing that does stand out to me, though, some games more than others have a big difference in power consumption between the cards, with the 4070 looking much more efficient. As someone who's had to undervolt their 3070ti to get their temperatures under control, that is pretty appealing. Won't be upgrading any time soon but will keep an eye out once the next gen comes out and prices come down a bit. Hoping this is a trend that continues, no point in having horsepower if hardly anyone has the cooling capable to tame it.
You should do another ue5 compare with the 4070s and 7800xt
I'm on a 3060. currently it's doing okay on my 1080p monitor. Upping to 1440p seems like it will struggle though unless using upscaling and dialing down settings quite a bit on newer games, but a 4070S seems to be near double the performance, but the cost is more than double which makes it seems to be underwhelming.
You know what I did last night?
What's with the colour difference?
My goal was to purchase a 3070ti as an upgrade from my 1660ti that I’ve had for about 4 years now.
Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any 3070ti’s available and ended up finding a decent deal on a 4070 Super for about $550 USD. I’m a little disappointed with the restrictions in VRAM and memory bandwidth but I don’t tend to follow the trend of chasing AAA release titles much, and will be excited to have something that offers decent performance for a respectable value, that no other card really offers at the same price point.
We’ll see how things pan out in the latter half of the year.
But overall, I’m excited to finally upgrade.
Thanks for the vid, I am also a victim of my stupidity and bought my msi ventus for 1k euros... its a good card if you are careful with settings (1440p) but thats it. I will wait for rtx5000/amd9000 gen cards. Appreciate the insight
I run a 3070 @ 3440x1440 and i am currently thinking about getting a 4080S. Anything else does not seem to be worth an upgrade.
Also my thoughts
In a similar situation, do you think the 4070 Ti Super will be enough for UW Res?
@@kavibaig8363 i think the 4070 Ti S is enough for UW. But i am willing to spend a bit more for the 4080. i think the extra performance will be beneficial in the long run.
Great point Daniel, this should have been the generational uplift in the first place, yet it took nvidia way to long to realize that.
The RE4 Frametimegraphs are alwyas so satisfying
Finally! I have a 3070 Ti and NO ONE (reputable) is comparing it to the 40 series. Any chance you will compare it to the 4080 Super when you can? That's the main card I'm looking at.
Interested to see a comparison between the 4070 SUPER and the 6950XT. AMD's GPU is currently at the same price as the 4070S, and reviews say it's slightly better than it, alongside having 16GB of VRAM vs. 12GB.
It is not lol 6950XT is as fast as the 4070TI even faster at times because it has 16GB of Vram 4070 Super isn't even close to the 4070TI. Get the 6950XT AFMF comes out on the 24th you'll be able to get 4080-4090 level fps with it on.
ok even after watching this video and was a prior owner of a 3070 ti i upgraded to the 4070 super, and i am happy i did, seems like my gpu bottleneck was removed and games play smoother now im running a I7-13700f and before the upgrade to the 4070 super its hard to explain cohesively but games seem to play better now. i feel teh frametime would be the reason for this as you saw in your video on the 2071 ti it was around 13ms and on the 4070 it was only 8ms i know most people wont be able to tell, and im not even sure that teh reason, but to me it was worth the upgrade.
I would love to see a 2070 vs 4070 super comparison!
Unfortunately I don't currently own a 2070. I agree it would be good content, and perhaps I can do one in the future, but not in this current review window.
More than double the performance
Try 70%@@niebuhr6197
what about 7900 GRE
Would like to see it compared to the 3080 12gb model
8gb for the 3070 should be illegal
Nice!
i have a asus tuf 3070ti and want to get into 1440p story games and just bought the asus tuf 4070 super mostly bought it for the vram and plan on keeping the 4070super for awhile because i was disapointed with the vram in the 3070ti
So how much cost an used 3070 ti if y paid 850€ 500€?
I have an Asus Rog strix Oc 3070ti paired with an i7-10700k and 32Gb 3200mhz ddr4 RAM - in resident evil 4 I’m getting an average of 90fps outside and 110 fps inside in max setting at 1440p. However games like Alan wake 2 struggle a bit more. I’m on the fence between wanting to upgrade or stay where I’m at for the next generation
Imagine getting a 3070 Ti at that cost and only a year and a bit later it can hardly cope with some settings at 20fps it like the games companies and manufactors are making that you need to stay on top of advancments to get a new GPU nearly every year now. And it even harder to future proof with most cards struggling at 2k or 4k now let alone in the following years to come. Oh well
Interesting comparisons and a good watch, thanks again.
When I search about "GPU comparison" from my alternate account, TH-cam don't recommend your videos😅 , strange
Good to know that the 3070 Ti can still play for a while longer - thanks!
Daniel can you test 4060ti vs 4070 super?
Why does the right side (4070S) look so jerky during the Avatar comparisons?
I’d be curious to see the 6950XT against this, but it might be kind of a redundant vid at this point. Incredible how many of these you make tbqh
Whats best here aside from FPS is its doing it at lower Watt usage and lower temps.
NVIDIA sold a 8g card in late 2020 that literally died in a year and a half. This was scandalous.
I feel sorry for 3070 owners and 3080 owners at that.
Don’t feel sorry, they’re absolutely fine, no need to play ultra settings in all latest games. High settings at 1440p to save the day
(Raises hand) That was me. I paid $1000 for my Gigabyte 3070 Ti. I had also won it through a Newegg Shuffle. My second Newegg Shuffle at that also. I know I made a mistake. I would want to see the performance difference between a 4070 Ti Super and 3070 Ti when the super card releases next week. I feel limited by the 8 gigs of VRAM on the 3070 Ti at 1440p. That’s why I’d want to get the 4070 Ti Super. 1:36
Doing gaming 1440p/4k Benchmarks in native 1080p Monitor. the end result will be the same performance if it was on native 1440p/4k monitor? (im aware the graphics quality will not be the same)
yes, its the same
Very small reduction due to downscaling cost
You will get the small benefit of super sampling (like anti-aliasing) rendering at a higher resolution than your monitor but performance is same as if you did it on a 1440p/4k monitor.
@@V3RAC1TY tks for the answer
@@AndrewH2791 tks for the answer too
I remember I sold my 5700XT for the same price as I bought it after using it for 18 months during the crypto boom.
People were even calling me out on forums that I'm selling it for too low lmao.
I am so happy I sold the 3070 for what I paid for it and got a used 6800xt, I can skip this gen totally and probably limp til the end of the next. No one should buy a 12gb card for gaming at this price if they can avoid it. If you need Nvidia for productivity and just decent gaming now, okay but the value still sucks; the 4070 in reality was always a rebadged 4060.
Same goes for AMD. The NVIDIA 70 series is faster than the AMD 80 series.
They both stick it to you
If you need it for productivity, you probably need the 16gb of VRAM which is why it's being added. I think 'needs it for productivity, but doesn't need the VRAM' is a much smaller niche than either gaming or productivity with 16Gb requirement.
3070ti is still a very capable card but Nvidia killed it with 8gb vram. Same goes for 3080 10gb. Don't make the same mistake thinking 12gb is enough for future release titles. Wait 1-1.5 yr for the generational performance upgrade and hopefully more vram.
I often come across the opinion in internet that Nvidia supposedly has some kind of special algorithm for working with memory. Which is why they GPU's require less memory than AMD.
Because, Nvidia spec'ed the GDDR6X with 1GB/32bit? Plus, GDDR6 2GB/32bit is pretty new, that's why the 3060 has 12GB of VRAM.
Nvidia updated the GDDR6X for 40 series, moving to 2GB/32bit, and like previous gen, 4060 Ti received the 4GB/32bit GDDR6. 4060 could have received the larger module, however, it's heavily cut down.
What do you expect when 50 series 70 class and up has 4GB/32bit GDDR7X (assuming they have 192bit to 320 bit)? Assuming GDDR7 will have 3 stages, mid GDDR7 may have 8GB/32bit.
You wait - you get more. That is the rule. But no one can wait forever...
By the time 5000 series releases (Q1/Q2 2025), 16GB will probably be at the same state, as 12GB are now.
“12gb of VRAM won’t be enough for 2023 games”
That didn’t come true.
Now the shills are saying:
“12 of VRAM won’t be enough for UE5 games”
That didn’t come true, so I guess now the shills are just stating the obvious that eventually hardware becomes outdated?
12 actually is enough for 1440p and by the time it isnt you’ll have to turn down settings or upscale anyways. You have to look at it realistically, not somebody hyper obsessed with PC tech. Case and point, the PS5 and Series X dont use more than 12gb of unified ram for gaming alone and theyre primarily meant to be played at 4K.
It's a decent GPU for the price, I guess, but considering there exist Alan Wake 2 RT High, Avatar Ultra and CP2077 RT Overdrive, in other words games that are borderline unplayable at the highest settings even at 1080p this is not a GPU I'd pay $600 for. In my opinion (and this is just my psychology, not saying that everyone should think the same) $600 should buy you the highest possible settings playable in all recent and tech advanced games. Maybe not at the highest possible resolution, but at 1080p for sure. But that's just me. I'm gonna wait for the RTX50 series, hoping for something a little bit more exciting.
Stupid argument, over 30fps is playable in a single player title and its just dumb trying to run pathtracing at native resolution. And that argument will hold true for the upcoming two generations as well so keep waiting lol. 4070 super can get 60fps at 1440p with pathtracing in those games with dlss quality and frame gen. And idk what you are on about for Avatar, this card is pushing well over 60fps at native 1440p ultra. Better critique for this card would be the low 12gb vram for the price point.
@@dhaumya23gango75 What's dumb is you trying to impose your low standards and your way of thinking on everyone.
This is a $600 card. The question of whether this or that game is playable at the best settings on it shouldn't even stand at all. Again, this is my opinion, I'm not telling you what to think. If you think this is good value for $600 - be my guest. As for me, I'm not gonna spend $600 only to be disappointed with performance and not even in the future titles, but in the titles that have already came out.
Also frame gen will not help you get better performance. It is a frame smoothing technology which doesn't even work that well (and is not recommended for use) if your base framerate is lower than 50-60 fps. And DLSS is DLSS. It's just scaling from lower resolutions. I have no problem playing at lower resolutions, just don't call it saviour of performance, it just makes lower resolutions a little bit more tolerable on higher res displays. Besides, it doesn't work that great if you are not scaling to 4k. And I'm not on a 4k display, so it's not that useful to me. Basically both technologies are just a way of coping with playing at lower resolutions and lower framerates. Not something I'd pay $600 for.
"30fps is playable"
Barely, and only if you really don't know what's good. And for $600 I want a bit more, thanks.
"this card is pushing well over 60fps at native 1440p ultra"
Yeah, watch the video. It's 62 fps average with 53 lows. Not anywhere near what I would consider "pushing well over 60 fps", far from it, it barely tries to keep 60fps, but fails miserably. Again, this is where I have the main problem with this card. It's simply not good enough for the price. $600 should buy you more, simple as that.
And of course I'll wait and see what the next gen brings. I have no problem with waiting. If the next gen disappoints the same way this gen does, so be it, I'll make the decision then. Right now I'm just not excited enough to upgrade for this GPU for this price.
"low 12gb vram for the price point"
This too, but at least this is not really such a huge problem in EXISTING titles, if the general performance was better. But this is certainly something to think about if you want a card you buy for $600 to be relevant in a couple of years. This card is barely relevant for it's price now even without the VRAM problem. VRAM deficit is just the cherry on top of it's other problems for the price.
I'm in a similar boat but maybe a bit worse than most RTX 3000 owners. I have a 3060 ti mini (the ASUS) version which tends to crash a bit because of overheating. I'm starting to get intermittent crashes and really bad stuttering in certain games. I had the option to buy a 4070 super open box for 450 USD + tax (487) at best buy...but at around a 70% increase only...I think I'd rather wait another year and see what Blackwell brings. Hope my GPU doesn't break before then...
as a 3070 ti owner, thanks for the comparison.
I'll stick with the PS5 and 3060 Ti until vast improvements are available at a (close to) sensible price. Like the 3070 Ti the 3060 Ti has pretty good specs except for the measly 8gb VRAM.
Please do the 3080 ti vs the 4070 super
i have a 2080 super with a ryzen 7 5800x3d and it runs all the games i play at 1440p pretty well, i play eft, cs2, valheim and terraria i got like over 300 games on steam lol but im waiting for a 5080 or so, i'll finish uni and treat my self to gta 6 on pc and a new pc.
You made yourself a mouse pointer again hahaha, thanks for the comparison, been eyeing the 4070 super as a replacement for my not so ageing 3070ti and i think i should be better off getting AMD instead.
Glad I bought an rx6800 instead of a 3070ti I get more vram and power for less money
I have a 3070ti and wondering if the 4070ti Super is worth upgrading to at 3440x1440
You're probably going to want to wait for rtx 5000 at least so you'll get a real upgrade. Something 2x faster than the 3070ti at least, if not greater.
ti super would be a big bump up. even a regular 4070 would be a good upgrade
Is 3440x1440 what you're 3070ti is currently doing for you? If so, what's the upgrade? I think people need a bit more information than that - e.g. I'm using this, at this resolution, getting this framerate in the game I play (which is X). Will this other card let me do Y? Where Y is increase frame rate, add ray tracing, go to ultra settings from mid.
But I agree with the general sentiment that for many of us, it's more prudent to sit out an entire generation if we'd like to see a huge bump in performance but not spend more money. Or even save a little each month until spring, and be able to go up to another card entirely (like a second hand 4080, or a new 4080 Super). Thing is, it depends what's 'wrong' with your current setup that you're trying to improve.
I have a 3070ti with a 7800x3d. Just turn ray tracing off and DLSS on and it crushes everything at 2k some games 4k on a lower setting.
Does Avatar use Unreal engine?
So if this 4070S is really that good deal then why it has had a bad launch? With as little as 4080 sales
The 4070 Super only having 12GB is preventing me upgrading from 3060 TI
I’m gonna make that same jump actually. Won some $ on fantasy football and selling my 3060ti used so close to a free upgrade for me. I play at 1080p 144hz so hoping this will last quite some time like my 1070ti did.
i was thinking of getting either 4070 super or 4070 ti but since super for me is over 200 bucks cheaper i might go with it
as rtx 3070ti user. rtx 4080 will be a great gpu to upgrade.
I'm upgrading from a 3060ti.
Got a 4070 Super yesterday for $609
@@RealMTBAddict is it worth? i have 3060 OC
@@raczynski1263 All up to you. But it is about 50% faster than a 3060ti. I don't see the 5000 series coming out for another year or more.
i have a 3070ti and honestly with fsr3 frame generation coming i think it can hold even more than a year.. Sadly the only problem is the 8gb VRAM. I played alan wake 2 on high with the fsr frame gen mod and honestly it was a good experience 80+ fps with really little to none existent stuttering ^^ but anw m skipping the 4000 series xD
8gb is fine, don’t listen to them who saying you bought a bad card that aged like milk. You are definitely fine for foreseeable future
The 50xx gen will hopefully show real comparable data with FG. They can't just say "just flip on FG and double your framerate" anymore since both will have it at that point. That is the real reason they didn't unlock it in the 30xx gen. Marketing just doesn't hit that hard when actually comparing apples to apples.
youtube needs to put in higher refresh rates
Higher framerates would still be choppy on this type of footage because it still wouldn't be variable refresh rate to match the variable framerate of the game, so it would still be out of sync.
I am still happy with my 1070 ti overclocked, awaiting for FSR3 and FG! ;)
Man I really want to get the 4070ti super because I’m running a 3060ti for 1440 rn but I’m broke as helllll
Might just wait till 50 series atp
I told myself I will upgrade my 3070 to a 4070ti Super or 4080 Super if the performance doubles at 1440p ultra settings. We'll see what the next 2 weeks bring.
Upgrading every gen is stupid
@@lifemocker85 I'll make that determination in the next couple weeks. I'm really needing to put the 3070 in my daughter's system. She's on a 1070.
Always skip atleast 2 gens
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@@lifemocker85not really if you bought into low-mid you can go high next gen but if you got top tier GPU then yes wake 2 cycles.
So basically, ANY ONE who bought anything but a 40 series card back when there were NO 40 series cards even made yet, are absolute fools. So buying an in generation card makes you a dope. I wonder what they'll be calling those who buy 40 series cards when the 50 series drops.
I have a 3060 ti. I probably feel similar to most, since im in the $350-450 gpu price bracket, but we really need a $/perf uplift gen over gen in this range. Imo the 3060 ti was the best deal to be had, when at msrp last gen. Why now is the best price to performance around $550-600? None of it makes sense.
A mix of latest games becoming much more demanding all of the sudden, inflation, tariffs and capitalism.
I think more and more games will have RT on at some level all the time like Avatar does now that it’s been around a couple years.
I won some fantasy football money and about to do that exact upgrade while my 3060ti still has good value used. Otherwise I’d be keeping my 3060ti a couple more years. The timing was right with the bump of the Super release and BestBuy has the FE in stock locally.
Thank god i returned 3070Ti and took 4070 Super. Payed 600 PLN more to have ultra boost to FPS
Im on 2080ti we need a 2080ti test