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- Is John Piper correct that faith and holy living allow a person to go to heaven? !!! This video is not to degrade the man, but we desire to point out the error in the teaching !!!
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“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing ; it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Eph 2:8-9
Read the next verse.
@@christsavesreadromans1096 Here's the next verse. ''For we are His workmanship created In Christ Jesus FOR good works which He prepared before hand so that we would walk In them.'' Notice It's FOR good works not BY works. Two different things. Also If works save us, then Paul's statement that '' NOT of works least anyone should boast'' would make no sense. It would contradict his last statement. You need to learn how to understand context.
@@christsavesreadromans1096 I also suggest you read Galatians chapters 1-3, to understand better the role of works, and the law.
@@mariosangermano It’s clear that Paul meant that the original justification is by grace, through faith, apart from works, but that after being sanctified a believer would be expected to walk in the works which were planned for them in advance; especially considering verses like Matthew 25:31-46, which teaches that all who don’t care for the least are sent into eternal hellfire.
Paul still warned that one cannot live according to the flesh or they will die;
Rom 8:13 “For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.”
That a Christian cannot judge others, or that they will be condemned;
Rom 2:1 “Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.”
That a Christian who continues in sin will not inherit the kingdom of God
Gal 5:19-21
“Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
And that the only thing that counts is faith working through love;
Galatians 5:6 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.”
So don’t paint Paul as a figure who believed in saved by faith alone, when he clearly expressed that repentance is necessary, and that love must come from your faith for it to count for anything.
Saved by faith alone, to the exclusion of love or repentance is heresy, and a false gospel.
@@mariosangermano you are right! However, do you also remember when Paul said to be careful about biting and devouring one another? ((Galatians 5:15)Your last sentence reminded me of that. Totally get the frustration but we’ve got to be careful. 👍
How does Piper even have assurance of salvation himself. How does he know he has killed enough sin to get into heaven? I really don’t see how anyone can sit under his teaching. It’s just sad.
Agreed. That’s exactly right.
- Trent
He doesn’t. Like all Calvin followers.
If you're honestly asking this question, you know very little about Piper or his teachings and refused to pay attention and/or listen, which is unfortunate, and a product of the erroneous teaching of this video here. Piper does not believe in "killing enough sin to get into heaven," whatsoever. His words were taken out of context and shredded semantically.
Piper referenced: “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing ; it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Eph 2:8-9
To answer your question, Piper has assurance of his salvation because he can see the evidence of his faith in his life. That's the point of his message. Knowing, being assured in your faith. He's not talking about works being the means of entry into heaven, but the essential effect/evidence of faith. You cannot know if your faith is real unless it has produced a transformation in your life. James - "Faith without works is dead." You either have faith or you don't, and how can anyone know? A real transformation of your life. You desire to kill sin and to live selflessly and to love your enemies. Essential evidence. Not the means, but the evidence.
@@basic-decaf 19:00
Exactly! How much is enough?
Jesus tells us to be as perfect as the Father in heaven. I know I can't be that perfect.
The reason why he HAS to say we are justified by faith alone is because even Piper cannot deny scripture. He can aprinkle his own interpretation on it but you cannot deny Gods word!
Exactly. Satan usually mixes in just a little bit of error with the truth. No different than rat poison!
- Trent
Calvinists have to use biblical concepts like "faith alone" while denying the truth at the same time. "Salvation by faith alone" has no meaning given the reformed theological framework.
"But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."
Thank you pastor Jesse for once again speaking the truth in a way anyone can get it. God bless you!!
Thank you so much! Glad we can be of help!
- Trent
In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says,
“There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.”
This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."
Jesse’s response to this verse was,
“That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.”
First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says,
“1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.”
In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.”
In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”
Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12)
It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says,
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.
But, if we take the bait and go back to James 1 in order to provide context for James 2:24, let’s see what we find. The book begins with an encouragement to persevere. There’s nothing here that looks like any description of what might represent justification before men.
In verse 12, we read, “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.” So, only those who stand the test (persevere) will receive the crown of life…because those are who love Christ.
I will return to more passages where Jesus and the apostles define the characteristics of those who love Him (see John 14:15-23, 1 John 5:2). But, it’s of no use to Jesse Martinez, because he believes,
“A believer can absolutely 100% fall from truth, grace, become apostate and live a sinful, wicked lifestyle. He is still saved because of his initial faith in Christ.” (He said this in our discussion here: th-cam.com/video/ng4T6VVymhQ/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugw60zewEdxU_JXr1BZ4AaABAg.9guW2JcrAdzA3iYYf1-eJY)
This why, in the video above, he also said,
“You believe, you receive. You are positionally in Christ and that will never change regardless of how you behave.”
Is that true? No. It’s heresy.
Hebrews 3:14 says, “14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.”
In Hebrews 10:26-27, we see,
“26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.”
1 John 2:3-6 is definitive on this topic,
"3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did."
This is not about righteousness before men. This is about whether or not we are in Christ and He is in us.
In 1 John 3:4-10, we see another definitive treatment of this:
“4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.”
No one who continues to sin knows Him. If you don’t believe that, you’re led astray (by false teacher like Jess Martinez). The reason is because it is impossible for a genuine believer to go on in sin, because the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us. This is why Jesus explicitly says (Matthew 7:16-20),
“16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
In John 15, Jesus also says,
“5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”
IF you remain in Christ, THEN you WILL produce fruit. It’s not optional, because fruit is an outpouring of genuine faith, wherein we have received Christ in our heart, and begin living as a new creation. Jesse tries to say that this is again some kind of judgement before men. But, references to being cut out and burned are identical to other passages where Jesus uses them to indicate damnation (Matthew 3:8-10, Matthew 7:19, Matthew 13:37-42).
@@waynerossiter9962 their argument is they never believed. Which I can accept. Parable of the word. But Jesse takes it to a new level. Not that they aren’t of us. But they are true believers and need no repentance and will enter into heaven as a fornicator and a heretic. Getting close to universalism. He will end up a universalist in 10 years. That’s what the end of his doctrine is. Everybody is saved. Everybody goes to Heaven.
My pastor as a kid went that route. Now he has lost his mind. Left Jesus Completely.
But listening to Jesse Martinez isntead of Andrew Murray or others like Him who lived a Holy life or just the Bible alone is in itself a curse bc we are trusting in men.
Jesse will leave men confused and without Help. He even says deliverance is not of God. We don’t need deliverance. Little does he realize the word salvation also means deliverance from evil Spirits,
False teachers are driven by evil spirits. One sign is they are super fat bc they can’t stop eating(not kidding). Not always a rule. But look how fat some of the false teachers get. HUGE!!! And they have a thyroid. And if not food it’s money and things. Nice cars, homes. Etc. Sometimes don’t even have to hear their doctrine.
@@waynerossiter9962Yes, Jesus says "No one can serve two masters. For you will hate one and love the other;" (Matthew 6:24)
Thank you for sharing the truth. No one can live willfully in sin or have a lust for things like money and be a servant of Christ. Anyone who is not a servant of God, does not love God. Anyone who does not love God will not enter heaven. At this time in my life while writing this I had to look up the verse, but I remembered what Jesus said. You must accept his sacrifice AND not sin against God as much as truly possible. Repenting any time you do sin, meaning your truly sorry and you don't intend to EVER do it again.
Also, I went back and listened to the video very carefully. Piper NEVER ONCE mentioned the cross or the blood. I would have thought that to be important in any discussion of how to go to heaven.
That’s a solid point.
- Trent
It's because it's all about man in his eyes. He doesn't understand God's grace.
AMEN!!
That's a great point.
Calvinists are notorious for never mentioning the blood or the cross.
I made that point repeatedly to calvinist ministers, and of course they just jump to another verse or topic to deflect it. Liars like to hide in the dark. Calvinism is crafted by liars.
"The other side of Calvinism" by Laurence Vance is a great dismantling of calvinism.
Piper is weird. And expresses himself so poorly.
I grew up Southern Baptist. I don't think Piper is Southern Baptist, but I personally blame the Southern Baptist for letting Calvinism grow and be accepted as a non-issue. We don't accept Catholics, Mormons, JW, etc., why do we accept Calvinist? It is an major issue with major consequences to the Gospel. In fact, there is no Gospel in Calvinism because Christ dying for you isn't good news because you don't know if he died for you or not. The only good news is if you're elect and looking at your life to find enough evidence that you are one of the elect.
Calvinism is probably the largest and most ferocious of heresies today. It makes out God to be a monster. It is nothing but bad news.
Thank you for the good words.
- Trent
@HowAboutThat224
Agreed!
I know MANY "Southern Baptists" (who are not Calvinists), but, who don't see any issue allowing Calvinism to be taught under the same roof as the TRUTH.
Most compromise when it comes down to 💲
Well it is what Christian’s have believed for many centuries and it’s biblical that is why it is accepted.
@@Freed98 you shouldn’t believe something to be true just because it’s old. Catholics use that argument all the time. Calvinism isn’t biblical, but you’re going to have to pray about that and figure it out for yourself.
@@BibleLine BrotherTrent, imagine this, you own a company and a person comes asking for a job. You give him an application and tell him to go home, fill it out, get fingerprinted and return on Monday morning at 8am. So the guy shows up on Monday at 8am and wants to immediately begin working, you ask for the application and the other requirements, but he says " you told me to be here on Monday morning at 8, I'm here." You reply " yes I did say that, but I said other things too". Like the hypothetical requirements for employment in this analogy, the Bible says multiple things about salvation, it says other things too. There are cost verses and benefit verses, so to speak. Like I said to you in previous messages , most gravitate to one side to the exclusion of the other. And they will only quote one set.. But they're both in there and they're both true. And they don't contradict. Listen Brother, GOD has given me a love for the souls of men, this is why I'm persistent in replying to Pastor Jesse's teaching. I believe it is very dangerous. Please guys, fast and pray and seek GOD about the matter. You will have to give an account if anyone is led astray and ends up perishing.
Brink of heresy or heresy itself? I would NEVER recommend John Piper.
Amen! Whenever people are not sure on clear stuff on the Bible like these I say better just turn your back to it and take a stance on it being heresy. These "gray" areas of faith plus works vain philosophy folks mess up our lives and lead unbelievers eventually to hell. Jesus ALONE, not faith plus works for heaven
100% pure heresy
If this is not heresy, I don't know what is.
I am not aware of any online preacher more devoted to the authority of the Bible than John Piper
@@ead630 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are a breath of fresh air, Brother Jesse! TH-cam is FULL of these guys that preach a faith + works salvation. I would watch them and would find myself starting to wonder if they were right because of how intelligent they sound. But, the spirit of discernment would always turn me back the to truth! Faith in Jesus Christ’s finished work on the cross is our only hope! There is NOTHING we can do to earn it. All we can do is TRUST in his atoning blood!
Thank you so much!!
- Trent
Man John Piper looks and sounds like he just escaped from an insane asylum in this
😂😂😂😂 You couldn't have said it better
I'm sitting here in a Wendy's and reading comments and you just made me laugh out loud.
Defensive people get loud and animated like that. People that are speaking Truth do so calmly and confidently.
@@sorenpx 🤣just did..
He creeps me out.
Praise God🙌🏽 Thank you Pastor! with this and the Holy Spirit spoke to me of an answer to my prayer to walk by the Spirit. I have been so conscious with my works lately and feeling drained but this reminds me of what it is to walk by the Spirit which gives us the power to the will of God. I’ve been listening to Pastor John Piper for a season and it helped me build my faith but yes I see where he’s wrong . I know the Spirit of God leads me where I need to be and this is the right time. ❤
Thank you Sharmaine! Walking in the Spirit is very important, but faith in Jesus Christ comes first. Glad we could help you.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Yes, Faith in Jesus first. Thank you so much I feel at peace now. God Bless you all & 🙏 Prayers.
According to Piper's own theology, he has disqualified himself from heaven already, since he believes that no heretic can be a "true" believer and go to heaven. Heretics are not only those who maliciously deceive people to lead them to hell. The most well-meaning and respected preacher who says faith alone is not enough to be saved is a heretic because he teaches heresy. (Heresy = doctrine which contradicts the gospel and brings a curse upon the heretic, see Galatians 1:9).
When it comes to the gospel, we need to call out heresy when we see it, not out of hate for the confused teacher, but out of zeal for the truth and love for those who are deceived by him.
Very well stated. We desire Piper to see the truth!
- Trent
Amen!
It’s the ole alone thing. Why add that? Everyone knows it’s a tough doctrine.
Can read
“For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.”
Then can read this
“But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?”
So mix those 2 and you have the truth.
Basically we still need to do. We still have to seek mercy and believe and give mercy and love.
Abraham still had to put Isaac on the alter before God imputed righteousness to Him. It wasn’t works of the law of Moses. He still followed up and did what God told him to do.
What does Jesus tell us to do that James speaks on? And John and Paul and Peter?
Something to think about.
I would stick with old dudes like Andrew Murray. They do much better than any young pastor
@@Rileyed "So mix those 2 and you have the truth." I do not approve of this method of bible study, but I appreciate the sentiment behind your comment.
@@minorsingingairhead well can’t preach one and ignore the other. Which is what most do. So people fight. When both are true.
It’s called the whole counsel of God(reality) vs being a picker and chooser(heresy).
You will find this scenario many times in the word. “Don’t rebuke and fool; rebuke a fool”.
Gods calls us to go deep. Deep calls to deep. And in the light we have light.
Shallow Christianity is a major issue today. No understanding of basic things of life in God.
Nobody even knows the new law we are under. Though it’s taught well over 100 times. And if one preaches the new law you are called Satan and attacked.
Much better to read the word a lot. But then will find many online do not read the word and call others heretics. Dangerous game we play.
You just condemned Jesus brother James. Who said faith alone won’t save. What is faith without grace? What is faith with an impure heart(no repentance?).
New doctrines just confuse
Thank you for your clarity in this matter. Your work is greatly appreciated as is Dr. Andy Woods (Sugar Land Bible Church, Texas).
Thanks for the encouragement!!
- Trent
@@BibleLine Thank You Trent and Pastor Jesse Martinez and everyone at BibleLine .Dr Andy Woods is also another Excellent Pastor along with Dr Cucuzza and Dr J B Hixson just to name some EXCELLENT pastors to listen to. This is in addition to the great work being done by BibleLine
God bless you Pastor Martinez for defending the true Gospel!
John Piper believes in a type of Calvinism known as "Perfectionism", which teaches that to be saved you must be "perfected" in Christ. How does Perfectionism teach that this occurs? It's a three-step process:
- Justification - Freed from the "Penalty" of sin
- Sanctification - Freed from the "Power" of sin
- Glorification - Freed from the "Presence" of sin
In the false gospel of Perfectionism, it's further taught:
- Justification, the "first work" is achieved through "faith in Christ alone"
- Sanctification, the "second work", is the sinner cooperating with Jesus to gain the mastery over sin
- Glorification, the "final work", is the reward given to the believer at Christ second coming, for the results of the first and second work combined
In Perfectionism, these "three works" together, that is in aggregate (in other words at the end of the process) equal "salvation" (in quotes because this is a false salvation of a false gospel).
This is why Piper can say both "I am justified by faith alone", and "Salvation is not by faith alone", in his false gospel, this is a true statement.
I'll at least give Piper credit for one thing. Whereas most Calvinists of which he affiliates (MacArthur, et. al.) craftily hide their works backloading, at least he's willing to outright say that he believes "you don't get into heaven by faith alone". I think there's another audio clip where he pretty much admits that someone "cannot know" this side of heaven that they're in the elect and must continually examine their life to see if they're persevering.
But honestly wrong is still wrong.
You’re right on target! We pray that he gets it right. Maybe he will see this video haha!
- Trent
Yeah, as a creator on TH-cam, you have the ability to limit the comment section. We try to leave ours open for anything; even those who disagree. Big channels probably turn up the restrictions due to spam.
- Trent
@@BibleLine interesting I'd like to see if any Calvinists have comments open and available, I bet not many
Yeah. We just want to reach people. Maybe a comment reply can help! Lots of people lacking assurance and needing answers.
- Trent
If you think Calvinism teaches a works based salvation and that Is what John MacArthur teaches, then you are truly ignorant of Calvinism and John MacArthur. Let's talk.
Looking to our good works either for salvation or “proof” of our salvation always results in one of two things. Self righteousness, or despair. The gospel brings peace and joy
Romans 5:1-2
King James Version
5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Yes!!!
- Trent
Yes. Notice what we have access to by faith…and in what do we stand. We are saved by Grace through faith. Without Grace there would be nothing to have faith in. But yes, it’s faith not works lest any should boast
Excellent. Piper refuted in a comprehensive, superb manner. Thank you.
Thank you!
- Trent
I sat under a pastor in my early Christian life who preached like this, and it totally confused me. It took me years to nail down my assurance if sakvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says,
“There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.”
This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."
Jesse’s response to this verse was,
“That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.”
First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says,
“1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.”
In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.”
In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”
Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12)
It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says,
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.
But, if we take the bait and go back to James 1 in order to provide context for James 2:24, let’s see what we find. The book begins with an encouragement to persevere. There’s nothing here that looks like any description of what might represent justification before men.
In verse 12, we read, “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.” So, only those who stand the test (persevere) will receive the crown of life…because those are who love Christ.
I will return to more passages where Jesus and the apostles define the characteristics of those who love Him (see John 14:15-23, 1 John 5:2). But, it’s of no use to Jesse Martinez, because he believes,
“A believer can absolutely 100% fall from truth, grace, become apostate and live a sinful, wicked lifestyle. He is still saved because of his initial faith in Christ.” (He said this in our discussion here: th-cam.com/video/ng4T6VVymhQ/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugw60zewEdxU_JXr1BZ4AaABAg.9guW2JcrAdzA3iYYf1-eJY)
This why, in the video above, he also said,
“You believe, you receive. You are positionally in Christ and that will never change regardless of how you behave.”
Is that true? No. It’s heresy.
Hebrews 3:14 says, “14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.”
In Hebrews 10:26-27, we see,
“26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.”
1 John 2:3-6 is definitive on this topic,
"3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did."
This is not about righteousness before men. This is about whether or not we are in Christ and He is in us.
In 1 John 3:4-10, we see another definitive treatment of this:
“4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.”
No one who continues to sin knows Him. If you don’t believe that, you’re led astray (by false teacher like Jess Martinez). The reason is because it is impossible for a genuine believer to go on in sin, because the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us. This is why Jesus explicitly says (Matthew 7:16-20),
“16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
In John 15, Jesus also says,
“5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”
IF you remain in Christ, THEN you WILL produce fruit. It’s not optional, because fruit is an outpouring of genuine faith, wherein we have received Christ in our heart, and begin living as a new creation. Jesse tries to say that this is again some kind of judgement before men. But, references to being cut out and burned are identical to other passages where Jesus uses them to indicate damnation (Matthew 3:8-10, Matthew 7:19, Matthew 13:37-42).
So, how do we make sense of all the passages where Paul says we are saved by faith, and not works? Every place Paul talks about us being saved through faith, and not by works, he is explicitly talking about the works of the law (i.e. the 1st Covenant and the laws of Moses). Paul was trying to knock down those who would Judaize the faith. These false teachers were forcing Jewish law on Christian gentiles, holding that, once we meet Christ in faith, the Old Covenant legalism still applies. This is clearly seen in places like Romans 3:21-31, Galatians 2:15-16 (actually the whole chapter), Galatians 3:1-14 (again, pretty much the whole chapter). The Old Covenant (and the Law) is dead (Hebrews 8:13, 10:1-18).
To be sure, we are saved by grace, through faith (Ephesians 2:8). There is only one propitiation for our sin, and that is the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross (Romans 3:25, and notice again, it is received by faith). Obviously, many other passages also say this (John 3:15, Acts 2:38, Romans 10:10, Galatians 2:16, etc). Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for all sin (John 1:29, 3:16-18, 1 Timothy 2:4-5, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 John 2:2, etc.).
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If someone comes to genuine faith, they are a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15), they are given a new heart (Ezekiel 36:26-27), the are sealed by the Spirit (2 Corinthians 1:22 and 5:5, Ephesians 1:13), and they have repented of their sins (which means to turn away…i.e., change behavior). I will be careful here not to use the word “works.” This is not about following the Old Covenant laws of the Jews. But, we WILL bear fruit, in the form of the fruits of the spirit. The Bible actually teaches that obedience to Christ is our proof that we love and trust Him (John 8:31, John 14:15, John 17:6 and of course, places like Hebrews 11 and James 2:24). Obedience is also our proof that we belong to Him. Failure to produce fruit indicates that we are not in Christ, and He is not in us. (Matthew 3:8, John 15:1-14, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 3:4-10).
Once we understand this, the full assembly of his writings make more sense. Paul also clearly understands that no one can be saved by their works, because all are sinners and fall short (Romans 3:23, Romans 4:4-5). I think all Christians are in agreement here. Jesus fulfills, completes, and perfects the law (Matthew 5:20-again, from verse 5:19 to 5:48, we see the requirement is impossible to us, but accomplished through Jesus). The same Paul who labors over the inability for works to save us also tells us to work out a faith with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12-13) and to run the race so as not to be disqualified (1 Corinthians 9:24-27, Philippians 3:10-14). The author of Hebrews says the same (Hebrews 12:1-12). (notice also Romans 1:5…obedience).
Great Video... it is truly Amazing of Piper and many many more pastors like piper, that truly has a lack of "Faith" ...
Without faith it's impossible to please Him....
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I just started watching you and didn’t know there was such a thing as Calvinism. I have had most of my church experiences in an independent fundamental Baptist church (been out of it at least 25yrs now) and recently God has been showing and teaching me things and this is one of them. I’ve been always struggling with my Salvation (trying to work it out with fear and trembling literally) thinking there was something wrong with me and essentially not witnessing because of the confusion. I didn’t realize the slight differences and variations in the teachings that have Calvinism sprinkled in. I’ll be honest, I feel a little- almost scared to come face to face with the possibility that I’ve been learning this wrong my entire adult life! But I do trust God so He will, and is sorting it out for me:)!! Thank you for your videos!
One more thought… doesn’t it seem realistic to believe that if someone continues to purposely live in sin after believing in Christ as Savior, that it’s possible that that person doesn’t really believe..? As I type this question out I’m thinking maybe that’s none of our business anyway…
@@freenbnmeA person is sealed with the Holy Spirit the MOMENT they put their faith in Jesus Christ alone. They are eternally saved. They couldn’t go to hell even if they wanted to because they are in Christ’s hand, which is in the Father’s hand.
@@HarpsDad22yes I take great comfort in that scripture! Thank you for the reminder:)
Pastor Jesse. Thank you for clarifying this so well, and very easy to understand, and backed by scripture. I Subscribed to your channel just now. Thank you.
I hope that your subscribing was not based on this video. Jesse is in danger of being a false witness who sows discord among brethren in addition to being one of those people Peter warns about in 2nd Peter 3:16 by misappropiating Romans in this video, it sure did seem to tickle some ears though.
That's awesome Cindy! Pastor Jesse understands God's grace, piper doesn't. It's that simple.
Praise Jesus for saving us. Blessed be Your Holy Name Lord.
Piper doesn’t make any sense. What about the thief on the cross. He accepted Christ during his last moments. He didn’t have time to do any good works yet Jesus told him, he’d be with Him in Paradise. The gospel is so simple. Thank God for His grace and love.
You're right he did receive grace in his last moments, and then he went on to rebuke the other thief who had blasphemed Christ, confessed his own sin, and honored Christ in front of the bloodthirsty crowd that had gathered, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” He in fact did do the works spoken of in Ephesians 2:10. Some of us only have moments, others have years. Works are the product of salvation not the cause of salvation. Piper is speaking on James 2:14-26, particularly 18-24, the dead faith. We are not saved by faith, we are saved by grace through faith.
He displayed evidence of his faith, i.e. was transformed. That's what Piper is referring to. If your faith is real, you will be transformed and desire to do good works and repent and etc. If there's no evidence like this in your life, you simply don't have faith, even if you say you do.
Brother I like the way you clearly explain justification . I believe our beautiful Savior is using you, this channel, to reach those in bondage to false teaching that is dangerous. God bless you all for your heart and compassion AND passion to preach the truth.
Thank you!!
- Trent
In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says,
“There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.”
This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."
Jesse’s response to this verse was,
“That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.”
First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says,
“1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.”
In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.”
In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”
Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12)
It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says,
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.
But, if we take the bait and go back to James 1 in order to provide context for James 2:24, let’s see what we find. The book begins with an encouragement to persevere. There’s nothing here that looks like any description of what might represent justification before men.
In verse 12, we read, “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.” So, only those who stand the test (persevere) will receive the crown of life…because those are who love Christ.
I will return to more passages where Jesus and the apostles define the characteristics of those who love Him (see John 14:15-23, 1 John 5:2). But, it’s of no use to Jesse Martinez, because he believes,
“A believer can absolutely 100% fall from truth, grace, become apostate and live a sinful, wicked lifestyle. He is still saved because of his initial faith in Christ.” (He said this in our discussion here: th-cam.com/video/ng4T6VVymhQ/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugw60zewEdxU_JXr1BZ4AaABAg.9guW2JcrAdzA3iYYf1-eJY)
This why, in the video above, he also said,
“You believe, you receive. You are positionally in Christ and that will never change regardless of how you behave.”
Is that true? No. It’s heresy.
Hebrews 3:14 says, “14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.”
In Hebrews 10:26-27, we see,
“26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.”
1 John 2:3-6 is definitive on this topic,
"3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did."
This is not about righteousness before men. This is about whether or not we are in Christ and He is in us.
In 1 John 3:4-10, we see another definitive treatment of this:
“4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.”
No one who continues to sin knows Him. If you don’t believe that, you’re led astray (by false teacher like Jess Martinez). The reason is because it is impossible for a genuine believer to go on in sin, because the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us. This is why Jesus explicitly says (Matthew 7:16-20),
“16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
In John 15, Jesus also says,
“5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”
IF you remain in Christ, THEN you WILL produce fruit. It’s not optional, because fruit is an outpouring of genuine faith, wherein we have received Christ in our heart, and begin living as a new creation. Jesse tries to say that this is again some kind of judgement before men. But, references to being cut out and burned are identical to other passages where Jesus uses them to indicate damnation (Matthew 3:8-10, Matthew 7:19, Matthew 13:37-42).
@@waynerossiter9962 THe scriptures you pasted from Matthew to make your point about works seem to have you confused. Why would Jesus tells us MANY times , those who believe in Him will have eternal life and never perish? But then in Matthew He says those who stand firm or persevere will be saved? Contradiction? No.
Context is everything. Jesus is talking about the end times in tribulation. Saved is NOT salvation of the soul in those verses, but deliverance .
Where in John 3 does Jesus tells people to persevere to be saved, salvation of the soul, to enter heaven? John 3 is the ONLY chapter in the bible that explains how we are saved. In fact, Jesus repeats this FOUR times for those who teach something false. He knew that the true gospel would be perverted into Jesus plus us equals getting saved. If you think anything you do helps you get into heaven, you may want to consider the people who thought the same as you in Matthew 7:21. They did many things for the Lord. He said, " I never knew you" He said they were workers of iniquity.
Salvation is being BORN AGAIN. We are new creatures the MOMENT we place our faith and trust in Jesus , Ephesians 1 , 1 John 5. Salvation is NOT a reward for perseverance , obedience, or anything WE DO. You limit the power of God to save, and to finish what he started in you when you PUT your efforts in the process. Jesse has the correct gospel. We are saved, justified, BY GRACE through faith, not works so no man can brag. We don't get bragging rights. We deserve hell, and death. But Gods mercy enables us to be with Him because OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.
God bless you bro! It’s encouraging to see people stand for the truth!! And expose people like Piper
These types always think they're doing enough to earn salvation. It's always everyone else who has to step it up, who has to give up more sin, who has to do more works, who has to give more money.
And always with the weird, fake emotionalism too. It's so sick.
The passage that talks about no one without holiness no one will see the Lord. That passage means that without holiness no one will see the Lord in us .Because it is profitable to men, just like faith without works is dead.
Yes, the way in which we live our lives helps to reach others with the gospel. The works we do profits others. Many people just rip this verse out of context and misuse it.
- Trent
I have always said it has to work for everyone, even for the person who is in prison for life.
"Living like the devil" was exemplified in Jesus' day by the Pharisees who, on the outside, appeared to be righteous and holy and keepers of the Law. Jesus said their father was Satan. This makes JOhn piper the descendent and brother of those Pharisees.
Saying that a faith without works is dead is not a Calvinist position. Piper is simply restating a truth that both Arminians and Calvinists believe. A faith that does not have fruit is not the kind of faith that saves you. Do you believe? You do well, even the demons believe and shudder. The demons have a form of belief but they don’t have the kind of belief that saves.
Its funny how you guys never use that verse verbatim. It says “You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder!”. It has also been translated as “You believe there is one God”. Is believing there is one God what saves a person? Obviously not and no actual Christian claims that. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Piper isn’t simply saying that a truly saved person will bear fruit, he’s saying that you can go to hell even while being justified. That is completely contrary to the Gospel. If you have 0 good works and you haven’t changed at all as a person after becoming a Christian, then you might not have saving faith. There is a huge difference between that statement and Piper’s idea of “you’ve been justified by faith but now you better work or you’re going to hell”. We don’t work to become saved, we work as a result of being saved.
Salvation has not been offered to Satan nor his demons. Jesus died for human beings. He took a human body . angels don't have bodies . Satan believes that Jesus is God even before sin entered the world through Adam and Eve. God made a promise in genesis 3:15 that He will put an enmity between satan and US ,meaning salvation is for Us and not for demons. James was talking about an active faith of believers once they have been justified(passive faith). Salvation is a free gift Ephesians 2:8-9. No one will be justified by works only by Faith alone . Abraham was saved by BELIEVING +NOTHING in Genesis 15.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5u That is exactly right. I agree with everything you have said. James is saying faith without works is not the kind of faith that can save you. The analogy I used with demons is what the analogy James used in the Bible.
@@ogloc6308 I have no disagreement with you. There is a “belief” that does not save you. That is what Piper is arguing as are you. It’s funny that you are looking for disagreement when there is none. If a person says they have faith and there is no fruit, then that person doesn’t have the kind of faith that saves them. I think you need to go read James again and read it in its full context. James states, “You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that and shudder. You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without works is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together and his faith was made complete by what he did…You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.” James 2:19-24
There is nothing “Calvinist” about this position. It is something both calvinists and arminians have held over the centuries. John and Charles Wesley, Charles Finney and Jonathan Edwards held this view. It seems like this guy likes to divide where no division is necessary.
You’re incorrect. Both Arminians and Calvinists have this backwards, yes.
Faith is not qualified in types apart from useless or profitable. A dead faith is a useless faith. It doesn’t save from judgment at the judgment seat of Christ. The faith in Jesus is what gets a person to the judgment seat of Christ, but if they have no works; they will have no rewards. Initial faith plus nothing secures the person’s eternal life. Eternal life is a gift; it is not a reward.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Rewards are earned by adding to that faith (works).
If a person does not have works, it does not mean they aren’t saved into eternal life… it only means they will have a harsher judgment and will receive little reward. See 1 Cor. 3
- Trent
I agree with piper, i know we will never be completely free of sin as we live in a fallen world and we'te not perfect, but each day should be dying to self and striving woth everything to live and obey God with our heart, soul, mind and strength including our flesh as much as possible, by our fruits people will know if we're genuine, we need to strive to live and conduct ourselves to be holy each day as we are to be am example in our conduct to non believers.
Thanks for the comment on tom horn. He boasts a trip to Heaven where the Lord showed a silver scroll. Strange stuff!! What do you think???🤨
Yes I noticed a little bit of that. If someone really had a trip to heaven and back (or hell), I’m sure the only words from them would be the gospel. Also, it’s just impossible because he doesn’t have his glorified body - nor is he only a spirit; he’s the same dude (Absent from the body, present with the Lord).
- Trent
What scripture can give our minds something to grasp when it comes to staying strong in the conviction of faith alone? My sentence is worded specifically to avoid the ownership of my power to remain strong but instead focussing on God's word to stir within us a strength.
Read Romans chapters 3-5 (king James version) and really mediate on what is being said. Those chapters are awesome for that.
^ Yes. Also 1 John 5:10-20
- Trent
@@BibleLine verse 15 just blew my mind.
"If we know that he hears us in whatever we ask [regarding prayer], we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him"
For about 8 months Ive had the exact same idea about prayer. That when we pray, our minds remember that we prayed about that thing. Which means when the prayer is answered, our minds can remember that thing we prayed about and therefore attribute the solution to God. I didn't read this idea first in 1 John, I meditated on the idea of prayer and this idea came to me in thought. Thats wild man
Just wanted to once again say that not all Calvinists believe this, and that this teaching itself is NOT Calvinism. I appreciate you and your ministry, but as a Calvinist I 100% reject what Piper is saying and I’d say he’s preaching a different gospel entirely
You need to pray and ask to learn what FAITH and BELIEVING means to God.
Mathew 7:21-23.
Years ago I watched this sermon the moment it was uploaded. The first 30 min I would say is fine. Then I was like ~ What ? Did he actually say that ? A few days later an internet explosion happened about this 😂
The false belief that we are saved by works is how cult leaders keep their members working for them out of fear. Men leading men. Follow Jesus Christ only. Psalm 146
Do you really think that anybody today believes the idea "we are saved by works"? Isn't it a strawman argument? But if you mean to say that even obedience to christ is not required for salvation, then you are not in Chtist.
Well reviewed! Thank you! GmaJo
Thank you for watching!
- Trent
...Good job with scripture, Pastor...the first verse I thought of was Romans 8:30..."and whom He justified, them He also glorified"...Piper is wrong and sadly confuses and harms many struggling believers...
Lordship salvation=salvation by works...
I stopped trying to follow his reasoning. BTW, the judgement he's talking about is the great white throne judgment where God will examine his works and the quality of his works will prove he is justified. Of course by that time he would have already spent 1000 years in the kingdom with Jesus. Under his teaching, a person would have to leave the kingdom to go stand with the lost and hopefully God would judge his works to be sufficient to return him to God. All the while Piper says its all by grace. Good luck reconciling his logic.
Haha! Sadly his logic is unfounded in scripture. Thanks for watching.
- Trent
No wonder Abraham Piper rejected this kind of faith. In fact, I have to give him credit for seeing through this circular nonsense. If only he had been exposed to the true faith, perhaps he could believe.
The tragic is when calvinists misrepresent God and call it biblical, then the closest ones to them turn their backs to God because in that false soteriology of calvinism God hates some people from their birth and He did not send Jesus to die for them
Thank you for your CLEAR teaching on the Truth.
Second Corinthians 9:13. Thanks be to God for His UNSPEAKABLE GIFT, ETERNAL LIFE. No one can earn it. Calvinism is double talk. Saved by faith alone, but, Get the but out of there. Acts 16:31.
Romans 4:5. But to him that worketh not, but BELIEVETH on Him who JUSTIFIETH the UNGODLY, his faith is counted for righteousness. Just as David describeth the blessedness of the man to whom the Lord imputeth RIGHTEOUSNESS, APART FROM WORKS.
The gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4. Galatians 1:6-9. Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you, LET HIM BE ACCURSED. As we said before, so say I again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received from us, LET HIM BE ACCURSED.
Thank you Jesse for exposing them that preach a false gospel of works for salvation, which is a free gift apart from any works. And the GIFT of God is eternal life. The gift is not faith, the GIFT is eternal life. God gives eternal life to them that BELIEVE. John 6:47. God cannot lie. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for It is the POWER of God unto salvation to EVERYONE THAT BELIEVETH, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. First John 2:2. John 3:18.
Spot on!
- Trent
That's the problem when you don't rightly divide the word of truth. All these circular reasonings that are so confusing caused such mess in the Body of Christ. Not forgetting that it can damn souls to hell too!
Amen! Always pray for discernment when listening to the Word of God being taught.
James 2:14-17 speaks to what John Piper is speaking about.
And Matthew 25
You are saved, "by grace trough faith, and not of you're own works, less anyone should boast!"
Matt 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is heaven.
Matt 21:43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people will produce its fruit.
Luke 3:9 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
There are other Scripture verses out there that has the same fluidity that Piper is talking about. There has to be evidence 😢
"The other side of Calvinism" by Laurence Vance is a great dismantling of calvinism.
THIS MINISTRY HAS TO KEEP GOING ! You guys need to stay the way you have been. I was watching an old video from Hank & let me say how much his old videos need to be put out there.
In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says,
“There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.”
This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."
Jesse’s response to this verse was,
“That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.”
First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says,
“1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.”
In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.”
In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”
Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12)
It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says,
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.
God uses the few to reach the masses faith in Christ alone there is nothing any of us can do to get into heaven
"You don't get into Heaven by faith alone" so is he saying you get saved by faith but not get into Heaven? So you can be forgiven and justified from sin but not go to Heaven, according to JP?
Amen pastor, how in the world can piper say God is 100 percent for us by faith alone but were not saved yet. How can he not see anyone with a logical mind will find this massively confusing at the very least, but more likely absolute heresy?
I would be very careful outright saying people are not saved or are not Christians. You and your listeners have said it about MacArthur, Piper, Washer, Salvadar. None of them are works based. They do call out people's sin, and tell them Jesus told us to sin no more, and even in the bible it says you cannot be a hypocrite and call yourself a believer and sin still. God wants all of us. That means giving up sin that we are attached to. Yes, we will always sin, but our ongoing sanctification will happen throughout our lives. We are saved by grace alone, but the more sin we give up to God, the more we will benefit from the way God made us and this world we live in. The more full of Christ we can be. Pleasing God is not works based. I have never once heard any of the pastors you go against say you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven unless you do good works. I have heard them all say our new nature causes us to live in a new way.
But the simple and practical understanding of justification is," just as if I never sinned." So if I'm perfect in the first justification what else has to make me perfect" more" or "again" to get into heaven?
They never tell you the quality or quantity of works required, or how much sin to kill. It can't be 100% of sin, that's perfection, so what percentage and of what sins, or type of sins. He actually appears unhinged to me. That's what having no security will do to you.
The thief on the cross didn't have any time to go and get his life right. And what about others who accept Christ shortly before death?
Salvation is through Christ alone, its 100% biblical. With that said, I hate sinning, I hate seeing what sin does to peoples lives, and I hate it when I screw up and sin, even if its just a thought. God is always dealing with me and changing me. My point is anyone who makes the outrageous claims that those who believe in free grace think its ok to live for the devil and that we don't think its important to persue holy lives, that is a lie. However as hard as I try to do good, I fall short all the time. We all fall short all the time. No one is capable of meeting God's standard of holiness. I feel like those who believe in lordship salvation or calvinism resent those who rest in the finish work of Christ for their salvation, which is why they make angry/rude comments, or make outrageous claims that we believe its ok to live unholy lives. I used to believe in the lordship salvation/ calvinism. I thank God that he has shown me I can be at peace, knowing Im saved by the finished work of Jesus.
They can never quantify how many works keeps you saved. How many sins remove salvation. They have no number. no objective point of loss or gain. No objective number of works.
1. Double justification is not a Calvinistic doctrine, you only say it is because he is a Calvinist. It is a Catholic doctrine. 2. You say the Bible NEVER says you can be justified by works, and what about this: "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone." - James 2:24. 3. The Bible NO WHERE once says you get to heaven by faith alone, and in fact the only time "faith alone" is used in the Bible it is used in that verse I just mentioned. To be "justified" simply means to be made and/or declared righteous, and it is ALWAYS tied to repentance, which means to turn from sin. So then it is clear that to be saved by faith you must DO something, which is to turn from sin toward God. "Faith without works is dead"; you can not be saved by a faith that has no works. 4. If you do not believe in eternal security (I don't know if you do), you must believe that making it to the end requires personal effort. Finally, you say that one could live with "no fruits" of their salvation, this is not what Jesus said: "A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit." (Matt 7:18).
All of this beside how much you misunderstand Piper in this clip is baffling. And there is so much more in this video that is terribly misunderstanding. Read the early church fathers and see what was taught from the beginning, and if you don't find your doctrine, did Christ let the gospel die until you came along?
1. Calvinism=Catholicism=What Jude described as the “way of Cain”=working for your salvation. They all the same.
2. He literally mentioned the justification spoke about in James. When eternal justification is mentioned it is not ALWAYS tied to repentance. Read the gospel of John.
4. He does believe what the Bible says, that a saved individual is eternally secure. Great verse to quote. Let me ask, have you borne bad fruit recently? In the past year? The past decade? According to your theology, you are a bad tree, for a good tree cannot bear bad fruit. You are hell bound.
Finally, appealing to church fathers is weird when the man is quoting the apostles to you.
Ephesians 2 :8-9. For by Grace you have been saved ( Past tense +passive voice ) through FAITH.;not of yourselves, it is A GIFT OF GOD;lest anyone should boast. Faith without work is( present tense+active voice) is dead is an active faith towards Man and not towards God . A tree could not bear good fruits is still A TREE.
@@cotydanger4071 You greatly misunderstand Calvinism. Grace-based/faith-based salvation.
@@basic-decaf I don’t misunderstand it. I understand it very well. Calvinism requires works. It’s a man made theology that is fluid and changing, and honestly, departed from Calvin’s theology, though he was incorrect as well.
@@cotydanger4071 Calvinism in no way requires works for anything.
God wants us to hear Paul's gospel given to him by Jesus himself. Romans 16:25
Yes, we’ve been saved by faith in Christ Jesus, and we cannot earn even 1% of our salvation
Good job
But once saved always saved doctrine is just as bad so just because you destroyed Calvinism doesn’t mean that you can build on that error
For instance, the 10 versions parable five made it in five did not
The parable of sewing seeds also proves that not all the seeds grew up and we harvested for Christ Jesus some fell away
There are many other examples once saved always saved false hope doctrine so you haven’t got anywhere because you’ve had proved another sinking ship because we do not compare ourselves to sinking ships. We compare ourselves to the ship that is anchored anchored to Christ.
Bingo, the very beginning of the clip is simply what Jesus said in Luke chapter 8... notice how these people have a problem with what Jesus literally said
Roman's 6:22 says we have our fruit unto holiness.
The fruit of the Spirit is holiness. It is not sinful. The freedom you have in Christ allows you to live holy. This in no way is a proof of salvation or a prerequisite for salvation. The passage is written to saved people telling them not to use their grace as a license to sin. This is because saved people DO use their grace as a license to sin - sadly. They're still saved though. How prideful to assume you live holy enough all the time. It is not MY holy living, but it is GOD's justification that saved me.
- Trent
@@BibleLine yes sir, that's what I was implying by this verse. I think also our nature is changed at the new birth and this new nature causes us to live more holy. Our holiness is the fruit and not the root of our relationship with God.
I see. I do believe the scripture states we receive a new nature, but the old nature also remains. You are born, but you are born again. The sin nature (1st birth) resides in your body. The new nature is the new spirit (2nd birth) that is from God. These two exist at the same time in the believer. This is the reason why you CAN live holy and you CAN live wicked. It depends on what nature you serve. Gal. 5:16-23
- Trent
Being a former elder in a Wesleyan Armenian based community church that believed in free will where it is possible to depart from salvation once saved I found Calvinism basically saying the same consequential claim. I often get the two confused with one another. I thought Piper was Wesleyan teaching perseverance of the saints. Lol, i always thought Calvinism was saved always saved
One says - you can lose salvation
One says - you were never saved to begin with
Both based on faith without works which ironically was written to believers
That’s not exactly the way it’s taught. It’s more lie you are saved and must go from the door down the hall into salvation by walking not focusing on works. It’s much more subtle for lack of a better word.
Pastor I have been watching skywatch tv with tom horn and his wifeb,son,sister. and a reverend donna howell. My question is what do these people believe? Unsure in upstate ny!!!🦁
It is difficult for me to find much concerning Tom Horn’s gospel message beliefs. Most of what I find is end times and content of the like. He clearly accepts scripture and the deity of Christ, but I can’t find a gospel message from him - yet lol. We’ll perhaps make a react video if we find something.
- Trent
I see what Jesse is saying here, but what Piper is speaking on is James 2:14-26, particularly 18-24. The key word missing in this discussion is grace, "For by GRACE you have been saved THROUGH faith," it is not by faith that you are saved. A person can believe and not have faith, and a person can have faith and not have grace. Matthew 7:21-23, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ I don't think that Judas Iscariot lacked belief or faith, what he did lack was grace. His heart remained unchanged by his walk with Christ and he was known by his fruit.
We are saved by Gods Grace and we receive it Gods Grace BY FAITH . Faith is the same as BELIEVE . Matthew 7/21-23 can not be applied under the church age , that verse is referring to those under the law ,when Jesus Christ was on earth ,he preached the gospel of kingdom. From the day of pentecost ,we preach the gospel of Grace ,his finished worked on the cross. In order to hear Jesus saying I never knew you ,unbelievers must see Him , it would happen after the tribulation ,at the second coming. The church age will be closing with the rapture ,where only believers Will see Him after being changed in the twinkling of an eye. Unbelievers can not see him at the rapture. The gospel of kingdom will be preached again during the tribulation . Judas was unsaved because he did not believe in Christ . If he believed that Jesus is the King ,why would he sell Jesus,because he never believed in Him .Piper is another judas under the church age.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5u There is a faith that is dead, it is described in James 2. Is confession the same as repentance? Why would Judas follow Christ if he did not believe? How did Judas cast out demons if he had no faith? Judas perished because he was unregenerate, he followed Christ for profit.
Not sure where you are getting your dispensational rhetoric (if I can even call it that,) but it is not from God's Holy Word. Sola scriptura! Also, I do not suggest hurling unsound accusations. (I mean, where is the grace in that?!)
@@maruther5364 The book of James is written to believers already being justified by FAITH ALONE . Faith is dead is faith towards man and not towards man. Do you understand the difference between BIRTH and GROWTH? no every one who cast out demon is believer . Matthew 7:21-23 says that those who cast demons are unbelievers. Judas was one of those. We are under the dispensation of grace from the day of Pentecost . Christ was under the law.
@@user-tb5gq7kp5u You strike me as a very confused hyper grace antinomianist. I'm more of a sovereign grace, obedience matters type of gal myself. Stick to scripture and pray for understanding. Also, be careful what you say about people. Matthew 12:36-37, "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” I realize that you probably think that this only applies to 'non-believers'. Take care.
@@maruther5364 It is written Grace and not hyper grace. Salvation is a free gift ,stop adding into the word of God. get saved now ,you are unsaved and could die now and ending in hell forever .
What he said has nothing to do with Calvinism though. That is not a Calvinistic belief. Calvinism says that true believers WILL persevere to the end; not that they HAVE TO. He definitely wasn’t preaching Calvinism here, which is odd to me since he is a Calvinist.
How can those of us who have died to sin still live in it? No, sir, you can't live a carnal wicked life and be saved. The Bible teaches otherwise over and over. We are saved by grace through faith alone, but the faith that saves is NEVER alone. You will know them by their fruits. A new creation means just that.
We are accepted in the BELOVED
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I have met people who came from the extremes of Calvinism and Armeniusism (I hope spelled it right). I believe in the sovereignty of God and I also believe in the free will of man. God is outside of time so He knows who have and will believe in Christ but I don't. We who have put our faith in Christ are called to live by faith and we obey God to show our love for Him. Who God chooses to save I will leave it up to Him. My eternity in heaven is secure simply because I have placed my trust in Christ and what He did on the cross to save me from eternal damnation.
Amen
Satan knows the bible very well. He will use every cunning, crafty and evil deceit and twisting of the scriptures to attack, diminish and limit the work that Jesus Christ did on the cross in atonement for the sins of all; every person who believes in Jesus Christ, not just a limited number of predestined ones. John 3 15-17. Hebrews 10 10. Satan's snare is through man that cannot save, follow the Word of God, not man. Psalm 146 3.
So how does John Piper explain the thief on the cross?
You are my new favorite preacher to listen to. ❤ Thank you for making the salvation message as simple as it is. I have heardvso many people put such a heavy burden on those who wish to believe, but walk away because there is no way they can live a flawless life.
Thank you. Salvation is plain and simple, and we should not complicate it! Salvation is free! Serving the Lord should not feel like a yoke of bondage, but we should serve out of love and because of what Christ has done for us.
- Trent
In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says,
“There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.”
This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."
Jesse’s response to this verse was,
“That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.”
First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says,
“1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.”
In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.”
In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.”
Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12)
It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says,
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.
But, if we take the bait and go back to James 1 in order to provide context for James 2:24, let’s see what we find. The book begins with an encouragement to persevere. There’s nothing here that looks like any description of what might represent justification before men.
In verse 12, we read, “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.” So, only those who stand the test (persevere) will receive the crown of life…because those are who love Christ.
I will return to more passages where Jesus and the apostles define the characteristics of those who love Him (see John 14:15-23, 1 John 5:2). But, it’s of no use to Jesse Martinez, because he believes,
“A believer can absolutely 100% fall from truth, grace, become apostate and live a sinful, wicked lifestyle. He is still saved because of his initial faith in Christ.” (He said this in our discussion here: th-cam.com/video/ng4T6VVymhQ/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugw60zewEdxU_JXr1BZ4AaABAg.9guW2JcrAdzA3iYYf1-eJY)
This why, in the video above, he also said,
“You believe, you receive. You are positionally in Christ and that will never change regardless of how you behave.”
Is that true? No. It’s heresy.
Hebrews 3:14 says, “14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.”
In Hebrews 10:26-27, we see,
“26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.”
1 John 2:3-6 is definitive on this topic,
"3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did."
This is not about righteousness before men. This is about whether or not we are in Christ and He is in us.
In 1 John 3:4-10, we see another definitive treatment of this:
“4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.”
No one who continues to sin knows Him. If you don’t believe that, you’re led astray (by false teacher like Jess Martinez). The reason is because it is impossible for a genuine believer to go on in sin, because the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us. This is why Jesus explicitly says (Matthew 7:16-20),
“16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
In John 15, Jesus also says,
“5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.”
IF you remain in Christ, THEN you WILL produce fruit. It’s not optional, because fruit is an outpouring of genuine faith, wherein we have received Christ in our heart, and begin living as a new creation. Jesse tries to say that this is again some kind of judgement before men. But, references to being cut out and burned are identical to other passages where Jesus uses them to indicate damnation (Matthew 3:8-10, Matthew 7:19, Matthew 13:37-42).
He actually claims that he is a seven point calvinist. He should be considered a false teacher by calvinists. I know, I can read the original five points in Dutch!
Haha!! That’s crazy! Thanks Kees.
- Trent
Amen brother, great program
Thank you!
- Trent
I Absolutely love how you broke it down, with love!
Do you guys have a discord server to chat and stuff? I wouldn't mind helping you guys make one if you would like? If not that's fine!
Thank you!
We do not desire to use discord, but thank you for the offer.
- Trent
@@BibleLine sounds good!
Hi, I totally agree with you, I really was taken back by Piper's statement about that, let's be praying for him, the Lord saved me when I was watching one of his videos. Although, I do want to say that I disagree with you about James 2:14. I firmly believe in justification by faith alone, but if there are no good works at all in the person's life, James 2:14 says that faith cannot save them, it is not a genuine saving faith:
James 2:14:
14 What use is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
See that he says "Can that faith save him?" There is actually an article before faith, so it talking about a certain kind of faith. So I believe based on James 2 that not only is the faith that doesn't have any good works not profitable before other people, but it is also not the kind of faith that can save.
Look also at this passage in John, these people believed in Jesus, but it was not genuine saving faith:
John 2:23-25:
23 Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover, during the feast, many believed in His name, when they saw His signs which He was doing.
24 But Jesus, on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, for He knew all men,
25 and because He had no need that anyone bear witness concerning man, for He Himself knew what was in man.
Thank you. Nonetheless, your use of James 2:14 is out of context entirely. The faith saves a person into eternal life, but works "save" a person at the judgment seat of Christ and from current judgment. James contextually points this out in the prior verses. We believers will be judged based upon our works; not whether we will inherit eternal life, but whether or not we served God, showed profitability and reached people with the gospel.
It isn't "genuine faith" in Jesus that saves you; it's "faith" in Jesus that saves you. The genuineness thereafter just shows everyone else what you have believed. Whether you do that or not is on you, but God will judge you. Either way, you will go to heaven if you have believed in Christ. The standard was set by Jesus: John 3:15-18, 5:24, 6:47, 10:28-30, 20:30-31
- Trent
I thought Piper sounded more like a Roman Catholic by front loading good works on to the Gospel. Maybe he is thinking about converting back to Rome. Perhaps I was not listening correctly but no matter Calvinism and their 5 points as they understand them in their own words is pure HERESY. I like what HowAoutThat224 had to say. I thank God for Excellent Pastors like Jesse Martinez.
Thank you so much! Catholicism and Calvinism aren’t too far off from each other tbh. Both mix in works some which-a-way.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Do you know of a sound church like yours in the Palm Beach Broward County area. The last church I was attending was a Baptist Church affiliated with the Southern Baptist. Albert Mohler spoke at one of the services I attended. I discovered a lot of the church leaders were talking about election and predestination a strange way at least to me. I was not familiar with the acronym TULIP. I now have a good understanding of Calvinism. I think its not just a secondary issue but denies the true Gospel and is to be avoided at all cost.
Catholicism and Calvinism aren't too far off from each other??? As a former RC and a Calvinist, I can tell you with all due respect you should get an education on Roman Catholicism and Calvinism because your ignorance Is palpable. Let's talk.
Lol I checked out a minute in. This was the epitome of "everything I don't like is Calvanism"
Calvinists across the Reformed tradition have excoriated Piper for this kind of thing. It has literally nothing to do with Calvinism. It's the debate over final justification, a doctrine which the majority report of the Reformed have denied for 4 centuries.
Thank you Jesse. Guys like Piper who is a very bad theologian can "curb your enthusiasm" (pun intended) with the Good News. Hey, they're bad and bad plumbers. But there's also good ones.
This is common in “Reformed” teaching. It’s clear, to me, that the verses used are often taken out of context. Or, they are twisted to support the TULIP model. Thanks Pastor Jesse for your clear presentation from the Scripture. 🖤❤️🤍💛💚✝️🇮🇱🇺🇸
The worst part of Ps. John Piper's theology is that he gets a lot right!
I personally followed him for a while, and whenever he DOESN'T talk about Calvinistic or his own heresy ("Christian Hedonism" for those unaware), Ps. Piper is actually pretty sound theologically. He's a fantastic example to do what you've done: confer with Scripture like the Bereans to see if what Ps. Piper says actually lines up with God's written Word.
Pastor justified is past tense. It is a legal term meaning paid in full!! Along with washed and sanctified!!✝
Well Jesus does say that ONLY those who DO the will of the Father will enter Heaven, (the “Lord Lord” crowd that merely utters His title but practices lawlessness hears depart, “even the demons believe”) so its pretty important to make sure youre doing His will and not just believing with no fruit. We’re not saved by works, but works are simply evidence of legitimate salvation; Fish swim, birds fly, sinners sin, saints love and obey.
The will of the Father is that we believe in the Son - John 6:37-40
There is no indication that the individuals in Matthew 7 have believed in Christ. They term “Lord,” but they do not believe in Him as their Savior. They trust in their “many wonderful works.” Fruit is absolutely works by that standard.
A Saint still has a sinful nature, so a Saint still sins. He just has the ability to not sin through his new nature in Christ. Hence the command: Gal. 5:16
- Trent
@@BibleLine There is other verses on His will, like the one on sanctification and that we should abstain from sexual immorality as well. But again the Lord Lord crowd that hears depart, Jesus doesnt say “depart from me you who relied on good works for salvation”, he says “you who practice lawlessness”, so i think the context of that verse isnt about people relying on works but rather people in church who had secret sins on the side.
The will of God for our sanctification is in the context of the already saved Thessalonians. The part of every person that “practices lawlessness” is the flesh. You practice lawlessness. So do I. It’s in our flesh. It’s not sin that stops us from entering heaven, but it is unbelief in the One (Jesus) who paid for that sin.
This is why “ye must be born again.” The part of you that will enter heaven is not your flesh. It is your new spirit nature (not to be confused with the Holy Spirit). The new nature cannot sin because it is born of God - 1 John 3:9. This is why you and I should CHOOSE which nature we walk in - flesh or spirit.
The individual will NEVER stop “practicing sin” - whatever that actually means.
- Trent
I am not a Calvinist. But in all of the hours I have spent trying to weed through the Calvinism debate, I have never ever heard a Calvinist talk about two justifications. Actually, the only group that talks about two justifications, that I am aware of, is Catholicism. Catholics, probably the furthest thing from Calvinism, soteriologically speaking, have initial justification at baptism and final justification if you keep the faith. Again, I am not a calvinist, so maybe your're right, but I would need some proof of that initial/final justification debate in Calvinism.
Isn't Piper refferring to:
Mathew 5:17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [g]the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches [h]others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
and also to the king who found the person in the wedding feast without the proper clothing?
I dont think this is a problem with the five points of calvinism. I think the problem is John Piper is not teaching faith alone as justification and he not only contradicts himself and the bible but also contradicts the five points of calvinism.
At 9:40 if you have done something like looking at the speck in your brothers eye before you were saved when you were trusting in works can you still be saved by trusting in Christ alone and nothing else even if you still struggle with that sin
Yes because all the sin is paid.
- Trent
@@BibleLine thank you for your help
James says faith without works are dead ....
Faith will deliver good works / faith / holiness !!!
Reading Ephesians 2:8-9 is clear that we are saved by GRACE -> then the very next verse says we are called for good works !!!
NOBODY is justified by works faith delivers love, joy, peace... fruit of the HOLY SPIRIT who dwells IN the reborn believer in Christ....!!!
are we not judged on judgement day for the works we did as a believer? If we didnt witness enough, or didnt give more, or didnt utilize all the gifts he gave us to fulfill his will, even though we were not willingly sinning, in his word, prayer, and maintaining that relationship through his Holy Spirit. Wont we still have to give an account for what we did as a believer?
Did you miss the part of this video that talks about 1 Corinthians 3? You are still saved regardless of your works. You SHOULD do good works based on the foundation of Christ and it will get tested and then you may receive a reward. We just don't know what the rewards are. However, it is about the motive of the good works. Are you doing good works to earn salvation to get into heaven?
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 KJV
every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Shoooooo. You dont get by faith alone???? Naaaa...just by Works....nice
Crazy right!?
- Trent
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Roman’s 8:29-30
If you are justified through faith, you will also be glorified.
Calvinism is a very sneaky religion it appears to be right but as you explore it you can clearly see how far off the mark and erroneous it is. It doesn't even make sense that we can be justified but still not go to heaven. It clearly sounds like he's making doctrine up. As the bible shows that doctrine is false.
Exactly.
- Trent
Works salvation...Lordship salvation (WRONG) ..."it is finished 19:30" Sola Fide !..Who's on first, what's on second, I don't know on third, if that is not confusing simple scripture Piper and others in the Calvinist group need to go back to bible school!
Piper is talking in circles in this video . He contridicted himself. Its like watching a dog chasing its tail !!
I am so thankful for God saving me from perishing in my sin but washed all my sins away by the work Jesus Christ did on the cross. I believe and trust only the Son of God's work on the cross and His resurrection on the 3rd day not by my own works. I struggle with homosexual desires a d other sins, but I know that I am secure in God's hand. I have eternal life. Thank you Pastor for preaching the true Gospel.
Never knew that JP was so horribly off on true biblical theology. Thanks so much Pastor Jesse for your excellent teaching on this subject. God bless.
About the 5% thing. Absolutley. I was in that situation and I'll tell you, I started contemplating suicide. The only thing that stopped me was that I knew for sure I was going to be in hell. At least if I continued to live, I had hope to find salvation. That is what made me realize that we don't find salvation. Jesus already won and provided salvation for us. There's not a darned thing we can do to earn it. That's probably the reason I was able to accept that, is because in my striving to earn salvation, I realized I kept screwing it up. Like people say, how many works must I do to be saved, and once saved, how many sins does it take before you lose that salvation? That's the question I tripped up on and it made me realize that it doesn't make sense that we can lose our salvation. And since God requires perfection, it is impossible for man to earn salvation. It's like Jesus telling people "to be saved, your righteousness must surpass that of the pharisees, and he'd already rebuked the pharisees. So if our righteousness must surpass the pharisees, and they were very strict law keepers, and jesus still rebuked them, how then can anyone's righteousness surpass the pharisees? You cannot. It's impossible. Even if someone was to obey all the laws like the pharisees, they would only accomplish righteousness equal to the pharisees. There is only 1 who's righteousness surpassed the pharisees: jesus Himself. And therein lies the answer. We have to trust in christ for the works he did upon the cross. Put our faith in him and the bible says His righteousness will be counted for us.
I think it can only make sense to someone led by the holy spirit. I don't say that to boast. I didn't think the holy spirit had anything to do with me. But when you realize that you constantly sin. Constantly break God's law, you realize you are condemned just in that. So logically speaking, the only way out is through Christ's righteousness.