I am really bad at reading and giving social ques. This feels like my everyday life. When I say something ironic everyone gets confused. When I insult people they think it is ironic.
@@notbindi Don't worry it is not problematic for me to talk about. What it is for me personally, is that I miss cues when I don't actively think about them. I am always kind of stressed because of that in social situations. I personally don't really convey emotions through non verbal signals I would say, except for when I am angry or talking to someone I know really well (basically just my close family). How bad I am at understanding how other people feel also depends on how well I know them. I can understand when my sister feels something and I also get some of her irony but with people that I don't know it is a lot harder. So when I was in school I normally didn't have one on one conversations but I tried to go up to small groups of my friends and just say something if I have to add something to the topic. The only problem about this is that I am always really afraid to go up to people. Even with my friends, if I haven't seen them for a few days, I am hesitant to go to them because I don't really know if they want to talk to me (because I basically also don't know what people think of me) I got better with age having conversations tho (for example as a kid I took it literally when someone asked me how I am, and now I just know that it just something you say as a greeting) which made it easier to be social, On the other hand now that I have recently moved out, I get into way harder conversations with total strangers and I can't hide behind my parents anymore and let them do the talking. My social behavior is not all because I can't read emotions, it is a Kombination of some things that all come with my autism. I just can't separate the reasons why I do things so I guess that is just like a summary of my behavior. But actually you wouldn't notice it on first glance if I wanted to hide it. I can make good conversations, but it takes a lot of focus and stresses me out.
@@notbindi No problem. What helps me most when talking to other people is when you say EVERYTHING that you want me to know. Because then I can't miss some hint or emotion and it makes everything so much easier.
I haven't found any evidence to suggest that there was a comedian at all. That Tiktok/IG caption appears to be fabrication. It was a really weird moment, though.
When I watched it I thought he was making a joke. I wish I had that comedic timing. Also, I think when your in a big room with other people the smallest bit of laughter can start a chain reaction. Kind of like the laugh track effect.
lil chris tuten i- so you mean to tell me you’re never allowed to be afraid? Also who ever said we are to be 100% without sin. Granted we must repent and turn from as much sin( but we all fear looking foolish in some sense I think.) so i guess really my question is like what is your motive behind that comment?
@@faithmarie3808 I should have said that living in condemnation is a sin, because that is what he is speaking in this video. You know all that stuff he was saying, the audience was giving him the exact response that he should have. Whenever satan or his own flesh tries to come against him and tries to fill him with doubt or fear or guilt, he should laugh at them and preach Romans 8:1.
I’m feeling a bit unnerved with the response of these “ Christian “ counselors! It seems like Piper was being sincere but didn’t know how to move forward and he stumbled a bit! Wow....
Don't look into it too deeply. It seemed to me like intentional self-deprecating humor. The timing in his words seems intentional. I use self deprecating humor on myself all the time. I don't think anyone laughing had malice in their hearts.
@@luisverdin1780 the comment used “is”, so the correct word would be “doesn’t” in order to keep the same tense, but the way they said it is completely fine in an informal way. Who cares how they phrase their sentence?
@@citrusn for real..often times people rush type and don’t want to spend so much time checking for proper grammar and spelling which is something that many people do, including those making the unnecessary corrections here as if we were in English class
I know Piper. He really was surprised by the laughter. But his comedic timing is so good, when he saw he was getting laughs, he went along with it. But he really did write that opening part as a serious Piperesque exercise in humility.
That’s just not what happened at all. You should listen to the Ask Pastor John podcast episode on this. He was baffled the entire time and had no idea what was going on
I must say, the last three or four times they laughed was just baffling. I can sortve see some of the others, but who would laugh those times. I know I never would have laughed by then because it was extremely clear. What the heck? Very strange. Im a bit angry on his behalf.
if that were true no comedian would ever bomb. in reality hes a good witty writer and it made people who were expecting to laugh. eventually though you can see he starts to play into it. what a legend
@@YEEEEEEA I'm an actual comedian, you don't know what you're talking about. You think he was playing into it when he said "what a weird crowd, I didn't expect any laughter" a minute from the end?
What he was saying nobody else needs to know anyway and thats why the audience is laughing. And he may or may not like being laughed at, but the more he says, the more they laugh, because they truthfully do not know if hes serious or not. So there's really no other way of looking at this. Nobody and I mean Nobody tells the world his shortcomings.
Abbi anddd you’re a girl? I don’t know, but your name, apparently, is “abbi.” And I mean, just to warn you, but it says in 1 Corinthians 6:9 that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. i don’t know anything about you, I’m only mentioning this truth just in case!
Good to hear someone who experiences a thought life very much like my own. Thanks for trusting God enough to let us see behind the curtain. God is good.
I listened to an interview ten years after this event with Pastor John and he was asked about this. I had hoped the organizers would have explained or apologized. Sadly, no. Ten years later he doesn't know why they laughed at him.
I enjoyed this immensely...his openess and vulnerability were oddly refreshing. I hope despite everything that's going on with him God will give him reassurance and love and plenty of genuine laughter in his life, Amen ♥️🙏
I still highly respect and honour this man, even when he appears awkward at times, to me he's very real. As a song reminded me, 'We're only human after all' . Sent from Darlington England. 🙂
@@dylantodd6009 John Piper had to go through christian counselling marriage for him and his wife, and one of his sons left the faith. I think Jeandeaux comments is too real and close to home to be honest.
Odd that he started off his sermon with feeling that his audience's perception of "reading" him was above average because they were Christian counselors and soon discovered their perception was very below that of typical audiences. There is something to learn here...
May the Lord be with you. May He put in your heart to seek Him in truth. Recommend you to watch "The greatest lie since the garden of Eden" on joggler66 channel and "The Two Houses of Israel" and "Lazarus and the Rich Man" on Karl Tester. The time to awake the slumbering virgins has come. May the Lord remove the scales from the eyes of all who seeks Him in faith, but by truth.
@@josephbolognone6014 I don't agree, Joseph. Looking at the title I assumed it was clickbait and Piper was being genuinely humorous, but watching the video changed my mind. There's no doubt by the end that he was pleading with them to take seriously the convictions that "make him cry," and the audience isn't getting it.
@@BooRadleyTube I feel like a lot of that comes from modern day churches. The pastor often starts off the sermon with like a joke, and then gets into a story about his life that eventually ties into a sermon (not always bad, but it is bad if that happens every single Sunday). It happens so often that that's what people are expecting when someone goes up to preach, but that's just a modern idea that's setup to keep the audience intact. If you look at the sermon on the mount, Jesus didn't start with some joke. Assuming the sermon is a word-for-word transcription. Even if it was just the general idea, Jesus jumped right into the deep end of the topics at hand, not some humorous story to get the audience laughing. Anyway, that's my two cents.
I appreciated this honesty from a man I rarely see in that light. If leaders were all more open with their weaknesses, how much healthier would the church be? It's how you can be a genuine servant, and also how to not become a pharisee.
It’s interesting that I listen to John in this situation and all I can think about is how these are things that I struggle with at 28 years old. a guy like John piper confesses and talks about these things in the open to so many people and it encourages me and blesses me and I feel humbled and broken. I Want change in my life and the need to see Christ as king and all these people can do is laugh?
This is tremendous, Piper shows he understands the psychology of counseling and the psychology of the fallen human species. It was a very clever and insightful talk while being transparent about being the chief of sinners. I love it.
This is very sad, he’s being honest with them, admitting sin etc... and they continue to laugh at him Piper is a man of God who deserves respect and a listening ear and a closed mouth from the audience!!!
Reminds me of a twilight zone episode - when a comedian was crying and begging the audience to stop laughing at him in his routine. Every time he did that, they guffawed harder. This is exactly the same...
I just got back from the AACC conference this year. Funny that this popped up in the algorithm. there are a lot of different takes why the audience laughed. And I think each person may have laughed for their own and multiple reasons. Yes, we are exhausted, it is A LOT to take in. I don't doubt people were loopy and sleep-deprived and burnt out. And sometimes there are comedians and funny speakers in the line-up. My take is that at the start his facial expressions are incongruent. He starts the first 40 seconds self-deprecating humorously but switches to serious with a bit of a frown but continues to self-deprecate and half smile. Another reaction , and this is mine, is that many know John Piper and the worm theology and self-flagellating feel of his messages and the laughter is a way of saying Bro, you don't have to crucify yourself and take yourself so seriously. Lighten up, laugh a little. Give yourself some grace and rest in God's forgiveness. At worst it came across as manipulative and insincere. For him this may be a very vulnerable moment and uncharted territory in his circles but for counselors, we hear this every day all day. 2:02 - 2:26 was genuinely sad. His worst fears were realized.
Well put, always seems weird when a preacher drones on deep diving their weaknesses. Comes off as self absorbed in a self flagellating way. It was like he was overthinking his audience and trying to stay three steps ahead of their ‘psychoanalysis’. He even said at the end he was trying to get them to receive his message. It’s like bro, just share the message, God causes the growth.
I legitimately thought this was fake, that a laugh track was added until he mentioned the laughing towards the end. I’m in disbelief, the moment was completely lost on them.
Just for a bit of context, his turn was switched with a comedian last second, so the audience doesnt know that he is actually a sermon and the things he said are funny like “i m a sinner” and “i want expecting laughter” 😂😂
@@sillythygoose except he, John Piper, and many others have gone on record saying it's not true and that the speaker before him was serious and he was the "keynote speaker" meaning people know who he is and we more than likely there to see him partly
People keep saying that he was switched with a comedian. I don’t know if this is true or not but that’s like someone ordering a cheeseburger and instead getting a dead fish in a bun and they gobble it up like it’s delicious. If someone is that clueless then they have a problem. Here we have an entire audience of people (supposedly intelligent people) who think this is hilarious.
Oh my Jesus. What a prophetic situation! The Christian opens his heart about his struggles in God. The Counselors are so estranged from struggling with God they literally think he is joking. Father, bless your dearly beloved John Piper. In Jesus name. Amen.
He is excellent, and the audience knows what he is talking about. It was neither foolish nor awkward. That's great talking! It means he is human! Listening to this competent Christian scholar made me comfortable and encouraged in my own skin. It's good to know that I am not alone. Kudos to Pr Piper and AACC!
Not at all. The agenda listed his time slot as a comedy routine by mistake. It’s sad to me that these people can’t discern the difference from comedy and what he is saying.
@@PJErvin That is the irony, he was praising them for their discernment and perceptiveness, yet they weren't discerning that he wasn't joking. He was being vulnerable.
You couldn’t see the humor in his delivery? Piper even provided clear evidence through his very words that he is not empathetic in general. No human can ever “live up” to these “generals of the cloth” and their “righteous ramblings” as inspirational as they may come across. We are all God Damned sinners. We are all subject to REALITY and consequence. You stand in front of a crowd of flesh… you’d better be on your game, because everyone wants SUBSTANCE.
What happened is that there was an agenda mixup, and his slot was listed as a stand up comedy routine. So they thought he was the comedian and that this was a comedy routine, not a sermon, thus they were already primed to laugh.
You've commented this a bunch of times on this video, but I doubt you have proof that this is the case. There is no evidence that there was supposed to be a comedy routine in his place. John Piper is a well known theologian who has 1 million followers on twitter and his own extensive wikipedia page. I'd bet almost every Christian counsellor in that room knew exactly who he was. It'd be like going to an NBA conference and not knowing who Damian Lillard is. Of course that'd be ridiculous to suggest. For more information, put what follows after the reddit website address: /r/videos/comments/cnv5hk/a_pastor_was_slated_to_speak_at_a_conference_for/ewg4ipy/
Alan Lopez R. I replied to a few people so they would know, but now all of a sudden I’m getting a bunch of likes and comments on it. I think TH-cam must’ve recommended it to a bunch of people, because this comment has like 155 likes when it used to be at like 2 lol
@@johna4387 It looks like you value spreading misinformation so long as it garners you useless youtube likes. Otherwise you would've deleted your comments by now. Enjoy your internet points.
There is an *extremely important* side story to this that for some reason, the poster of this video did not mention. John Piper was doing this speech at a conference with *multiple* speakers. There was an _actual comedian_ who was scheduled to give his performance during this particular time slot. All of this was on the agenda, so people who attended were _expecting_ to see a comedian at this particular time. But due to a scheduling conflict, the comedian asked to have his time slot switched and the event promoter said fine, so they switched the comedian's time slot with John's. The problem is that they never informed the audience of this switch, so when the time came for the comedian to come on stage, it was actually John Piper but no MC came on to let the crowd know. So the crowd wasn't actually being rude or disrespectful, they genuinely thought that he was a comedian.
Profound. Wonderful that he was willing to be vulnerable. Good lesson for the counselors for working with pastors. Because we tend to think they "shouldn't" need help. But, remember, all of God's servants had at least one person they could talk to at a deeper level.
This is the funniest shit I've seen in a while. The schedule mixup where the crowd thinks he's a comedian, how his delivery and pauses could be interpreted as some ironic comedic act, the rising confusion he gets from getting laughter after each thing he reveals about himself, the slow and dry buildup to the 'punchlines', and every time he doubles down on being serious, the crowd equally reflects it with more laughter. What a gem.
Authenticity and transparency from those in leadership roles is comforting and creates a sense of safety that we can be fully known, warts and all. Jesus Died for us while we where yet sinners. It would be great if all believers where able to do this routinely. I think it would make for a interpersonally healthier Church ♥️💕
Watching for the first time. So perplexed myself at the response of laughter. My God bless you Pastor John. In the name of Jesus Christ may your openess of your self doubts be a trumpet blasting of our own self doubts as we continue to be used by God in His plan for us.
apparently, what happened was that his time-slot was switched last-minute with that of a comedian, so everyone laughing thinks they're watching stand-up comedy by a guy who has a very odd and deadpan sense of humor
It was a misunderstanding. A comedian was scheduled to be up during this time slot but it got switched around, and the audience was primed to laugh at what the speaker at the time would be saying. No one knew what was going on until it was too late and he’d already given his sermon
I know you mean well, but it’s sad how people are so quick to judge without getting the full context of a story. This pastor had his time slot switched last minute with a comedian so the audience thought he was a comedian doing a dead-pan routine.
Since nobody else can figure it out, the reason people were laughing was because of his inflections, as in the meter of his speech. He naturally talks in a way a person would when they're letting on that they're teasing. I would have been laughing too!
He may have been on point but he was being vulnerable and honest with them about his shortcomings as a Christian and a husband. I applaud him for his honesty and humility, I wish I had half the courage to be as open, honest and vulnerable in front of a crowd so large. God bless you John, thank you for your sincere example.
I appreciate hearing Mr Piper's confessions here. It's encouraging to be reminded that even men I respect... Whose ministries have encouraged and challenged me... are weak in many of the same ways as I am. God bless his vulnerability... ... And I can understand why they were laughing. It's all about timing.
As a counselor in training I find this funny yet heartfelt - his words are honest, his awareness of his audience (they demand vulnerability) delightful and his motives (display openness) sincere, but his delivery is more detached (self-deprecating awareness) and lacking affect (not emotionally vulnerable) which makes it ironic (the discrepancy between words and emotionality), and considering they are in an open audience venue and not a private counseling room, plus the comedic timing, it is ultimately read as funny. Still appreciated everything he said, though, and the audience did, too. The laughter was definitely meant to be encouraging. Had he said this on his own with one counselor he would've probably been encouraged to freely explore the feelings attached to the words he was saying. They're counselors! Also, we counselors are indeed a strange bunch!
You've both got it wrong, context : th-cam.com/video/NrqvHi6VuSc/w-d-xo.html But the laughter is ironic, because as an ex-catholic, I know how much a joke religion is.
@@bean7496 I couldn't believe he was until he sounded offended towards the end. But he seriously sounded like he was joking. I think that's what the audience thought too.
So, I played this clip for my wife, who is a professional therapist and counselor. She doesn’t understand all the fuss. I was immediately shocked at how poorly the crowd was treating John, but she said she thought he was kind of funny and his dry sense of humor was just a part of his schtick. I explained to her that John is one of the most humble/meek speakers out there and I have rarely heard him crack anything near to a joke… To which she responded, Well if he wasn’t trying to be funny he should not have led with a joke. At that point I just stopped talking.
Those were deep examination of the heart that he was pouring out there. He was showing futility of man and how the best of us can still have to struggle with weakness. I was touched by his remarks...I am sure John Piper is an INFJ.
He reminds me of me. When I realised that I was crucified with Christ it changed my life dramatically. That was 1988 14 years after I had become a Christian and the last 32 years have been a process each day to deny myself that Christ may live. As he says it's no laughing matter because it's a serious problem to come to terms with all those things in us he has mentioned. I wanted to run away and hide but then how how would I ever grow in Christ. Now all that I am has been exposed but in turn by the grace of my Beloved Father I am being reconstituted to be as Christ because now it's he who lives as I die each day.
Love this man and love this crowd. Simple and harmless misunderstanding. The crowd is not laughing at him at all but with true joy. His is a righteous seriousness, and theirs is an equally respectful and honorable laughter, simply a rapidly flowing stream which briefly flowed into two parallel tracks
You are so right. I was confused for the first couple minutes because I thought he was doing deadpan humor but then realized he wasn't. I felt sorry for him since he was actually confused at the response. I was not a huge fan of Piper for no real reason but as I see more of him and read his books, I can feel his deep love for God and his genuine desire for others to feel the same.
It’s not a laughing matter 😕this is real so many people struggle and I too put myself with this man and if you laugh I would question whether you think you are better because none of us are only Christ is perfect and I feel you John much love it’s not easy to confess to people your sins well done 🙌🏼🙏🏼
That was soooooo funny! People on the north have great dead pan senses of humor. His delivery on some parts could easily be mistook for jokes, like when he said “I thought I would spare you the analysis and tell you up front... that im a sinner” because it's so obvious. They know everyone is a sinner, and it needs no analysis, therefore it could be a joke.
A born of the spirit man who is humbling himself and confessing his faults one to another and gets laughed at. Kinda lets me know the spiritual condition of the audience. I often feel in my spirit just as he does, and Yahuwah our Father loves a contrite heart.
@Falcon-um7vo you've judged me as judging others but yet you judged me without knowing anything about me. I'll pray for you tonight also. You have a very condescending attitude. You can have the last word, I will not reply any further.
@Falcon-um7vo you're not gonna let this go, are you? You are a very condescending, arrogant and narcistic "brother" in Christ to talk to me this way. Trolling is very unChrist like also. Go pester the brethren in your own church. I have my opinions. You don't like it, doesn't bother me one bit. What I say in response to what I see on a youtube video is not judging people to their face therefore it is not the same thing. You are judging me and you know nothing about me or my relationship to Yahavah the Father. If I think I need to repent of something I will. Not sure you think the same way.
i have never seen a more confusing circumstance of miscommunication in my life.
Tell em Kowski
I am really bad at reading and giving social ques. This feels like my everyday life. When I say something ironic everyone gets confused. When I insult people they think it is ironic.
@@notbindi Don't worry it is not problematic for me to talk about.
What it is for me personally, is that I miss cues when I don't actively think about them. I am always kind of stressed because of that in social situations. I personally don't really convey emotions through non verbal signals I would say, except for when I am angry or talking to someone I know really well (basically just my close family). How bad I am at understanding how other people feel also depends on how well I know them. I can understand when my sister feels something and I also get some of her irony but with people that I don't know it is a lot harder.
So when I was in school I normally didn't have one on one conversations but I tried to go up to small groups of my friends and just say something if I have to add something to the topic. The only problem about this is that I am always really afraid to go up to people. Even with my friends, if I haven't seen them for a few days, I am hesitant to go to them because I don't really know if they want to talk to me (because I basically also don't know what people think of me)
I got better with age having conversations tho (for example as a kid I took it literally when someone asked me how I am, and now I just know that it just something you say as a greeting) which made it easier to be social,
On the other hand now that I have recently moved out, I get into way harder conversations with total strangers and I can't hide behind my parents anymore and let them do the talking.
My social behavior is not all because I can't read emotions, it is a Kombination of some things that all come with my autism. I just can't separate the reasons why I do things so I guess that is just like a summary of my behavior.
But actually you wouldn't notice it on first glance if I wanted to hide it. I can make good conversations, but it takes a lot of focus and stresses me out.
What about trump giving a press conference at a lawn care place across the street from a dildo shop?
@@notbindi No problem. What helps me most when talking to other people is when you say EVERYTHING that you want me to know. Because then I can't miss some hint or emotion and it makes everything so much easier.
So does this mean everyone thought the comedian was the serious sermon and didn't laugh?
I haven't found any evidence to suggest that there was a comedian at all. That Tiktok/IG caption appears to be fabrication. It was a really weird moment, though.
He took da comedian's time slot. And probably got more laughs.
😂😂😂😊
I respect him for being well anchored enough to be so vulnerable about himself.
It doesn’t help that he looks like he’s constantly trying to hold in his laughter
his delivery and timing was also really good
those are tears 😭
He legit talks like an experienced standup comedian.
When I watched it I thought he was making a joke. I wish I had that comedic timing. Also, I think when your in a big room with other people the smallest bit of laughter can start a chain reaction. Kind of like the laugh track effect.
@@invadercivic2774 Yes. I watched this frustrated with their laughter, but occasionally laughing myself.
"I don't know why you're laughing, I'm talking about me"
This needs more likes 😂😂😂
yea gotta say, thatd been the ultimate paul washer punch line, missed opportunity john!!
If anyone likes this ill kill yhem
Brooooo 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂genius line
“The fear of looking foolish” as they sit here and laugh at his vulnerability. This breaks my heart 🥺
Mine too
Me too.
You know it's a sin to live in fear right?
lil chris tuten i- so you mean to tell me you’re never allowed to be afraid? Also who ever said we are to be 100% without sin. Granted we must repent and turn from as much sin( but we all fear looking foolish in some sense I think.) so i guess really my question is like what is your motive behind that comment?
@@faithmarie3808
I should have said that living in condemnation is a sin, because that is what he is speaking in this video.
You know all that stuff he was saying, the audience was giving him the exact response that he should have.
Whenever satan or his own flesh tries to come against him and tries to fill him with doubt or fear or guilt, he should laugh at them and preach Romans 8:1.
"This is a serious talk"
Crowd: hahahaha
Yeah what on earth??? Bizarre...
I’m feeling a bit unnerved with the response of these “ Christian “ counselors! It seems like Piper was being sincere but didn’t know how to move forward and he stumbled a bit! Wow....
Don't look into it too deeply. It seemed to me like intentional self-deprecating humor. The timing in his words seems intentional. I use self deprecating humor on myself all the time.
I don't think anyone laughing had malice in their hearts.
Apparently this pastor was given a comedian’s time slot so the audience thought that he was a comedian.
I think his time slot got switched with a comedian’s so they think he’s a stand up comedian
He opened with a joke and reeled em in...
this entire speech could totally pass as dry humor
But it wasn’t a joke
it wasn't a joke...he was trying to tout his humility credentials and their laughter exposed him. He wasn't happy about it.
@@Freakbob28 It was very serious
his dry humor game is on point and he don’t even know it 💀
Doesn't*
Didn’t*
@@luisverdin1780 the comment used “is”, so the correct word would be “doesn’t” in order to keep the same tense, but the way they said it is completely fine in an informal way. Who cares how they phrase their sentence?
@@citrusn for real..often times people rush type and don’t want to spend so much time checking for proper grammar and spelling which is something that many people do, including those making the unnecessary corrections here as if we were in English class
@@citrusn Homie chill, we know how to spell, we were just joking. I was gonna correct is to was too but it’s just a joke 🙄
I know Piper. He really was surprised by the laughter. But his comedic timing is so good, when he saw he was getting laughs, he went along with it. But he really did write that opening part as a serious Piperesque exercise in humility.
That’s just not what happened at all. You should listen to the Ask Pastor John podcast episode on this. He was baffled the entire time and had no idea what was going on
I agree.. The Holy Spirit should of led everyone to understand
@@firestrike123 what’s the episode called? I’m a big fan of his podcast and never heard that one before
I must say, the last three or four times they laughed was just baffling. I can sortve see some of the others, but who would laugh those times. I know I never would have laughed by then because it was extremely clear. What the heck? Very strange. Im a bit angry on his behalf.
Ya,he was humbling himself and trying to be “cool with it,” but they kept laughing even after he hinted that it was hurting his feelings.. Not cool.
The actual comedian, I imagine, had a tough act to follow!
Ironic considering that he was praising the audience for their perceptiveness.
for their "perceptiveness" as he was expecting it lol clearly it was inaccurately attributed.
He was buttering up the counselors.
they probably thought it was flattery and laughed
Kind of shows you that people will do things as long as they think they're supposed to do that without understanding the situation.
Lol
They were primed for a comedy show, so this became a comedy show.
if that were true no comedian would ever bomb. in reality hes a good witty writer and it made people who were expecting to laugh. eventually though you can see he starts to play into it. what a legend
@@YEEEEEEA this wasn't a club with drunk people
@@YEEEEEEA I'm an actual comedian, you don't know what you're talking about.
You think he was playing into it when he said "what a weird crowd, I didn't expect any laughter" a minute from the end?
This must have been very sad for him.
Christian counsellors? Not likely
This is the most humblest and most vulnerable preacher I ever heard...the more I study and learn from this man John Piper, the more I love him...❣❣❣
Just don’t ask him how to deal with an abusive marriage. He will really disappoint you.
It’s unfortunate that he preaches the false gospel of Calvinism.
@@jtcharland
Give us the pure definition of the Gospel
Don't ask him to confuse u about demon'crats and our great but flawed president Donald John Trump
hes not humble hes a a calvanist and a false teacher and a jerk
To be fair his comedic timing was on point
Case in point from 3:58 onwards. If I didn't know any better, I'd think he was already prepared to wait for a beat there just for the laughter.
The bit where he was telling the audience not to laugh could have been plucked straight out of a Stewart Lee bit, it was fantastic
He seriously could be a comedian. Like Johnny Carson or Bob Newhart or something.
Finley Zero hi
What he was saying nobody else needs to know anyway and thats why the audience is laughing. And he may or may not like being laughed at, but the more he says, the more they laugh, because they truthfully do not know if hes serious or not. So there's really no other way of looking at this. Nobody and I mean Nobody tells the world his shortcomings.
I thought my life was a tragedy but then I realized it's a comedy
Perfect analysis lol
Joker
@@malakosli thanks captain obvious.
@@xsct878 your welcome pal
I see what you did there. In the end, it could be a tragedy.
Me when I'm confessing my feelings to my crush
oh man. one time this girl told me she was in love with me and I laughed for five minutes straight... I felt terrible
@@PiperAndMe Dude...I mean I can understand you were nervous but I hope you apologized and all was good after that 😂
Abbi anddd you’re a girl? I don’t know, but your name, apparently, is “abbi.” And I mean, just to warn you, but it says in 1 Corinthians 6:9 that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. i don’t know anything about you, I’m only mentioning this truth just in case!
@@Izzy-rw7ty that a girl is in love with her doesnt mean that she is gay herself.
At 63?
Good to hear someone who experiences a thought life very much like my own. Thanks for trusting God enough to let us see behind the curtain. God is good.
This is sad.... What on earth.... This man is being open and very honest in his speech and I applaud him
I listened to an interview ten years after this event with Pastor John and he was asked about this. I had hoped the organizers would have explained or apologized. Sadly, no. Ten years later he doesn't know why they laughed at him.
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@@tinyrodent2821 thanks man that’s was helpful
Thats called self deprecating humor, that im a sinner line was funny, and when he said hes not used to a laughing crowd thats funny too hahaha
You missed the point my friend. That’s John. That’s how he always is.
i feel so bad for him but honestly... it is in fact pretty funny
I sat with tears in my eyes at the beauty of his genuine honesty. That one would be laughing rather than with tears in their eyes.
exactly
Piper was hilarious and the fact he didn’t know he was funny makes it funnier.
This is so telling. People laugh because they are expected to laugh. I've noticed this so many times.
I enjoyed this immensely...his openess and vulnerability were oddly refreshing.
I hope despite everything that's going on with him God will give him reassurance and love and plenty of genuine laughter in his life, Amen ♥️🙏
Does anybody have the link for the comedian? I wanna see that crowd
It’s on TikTok
@@horizonfan where
This the username on TikTok who has the comedians reaction and it’s twice as funny and awkward
TikTok @ gsgsgshashahah66
@@horizonfan lier
I still highly respect and honour this man, even when he appears awkward at times, to me he's very real. As a song reminded me, 'We're only human after all' . Sent from Darlington England. 🙂
The crowd is the awkward ones...John is one of the greatest preachers EVER.
@@repentstaythecourse5935 I agree.
@@repentstaythecourse5935There is no great preachers, only one great God
Have so much love for this man . Truly a man of God
Yes.
no
It kind of works as self-deprecating humor.
Absolutely. But, I'd be willing to bet that John Piper was also thinking that he would be getting a free counseling session out of this.
@@richardcoords1610 Sounds lijke he could certainly use one
Jeandeaux you clearly do not know what it is like to be truly depraved and then radically saved by a holy God.
@@dylantodd6009 John Piper had to go through christian counselling marriage for him and his wife, and one of his sons left the faith.
I think Jeandeaux comments is too real and close to home to be honest.
Jason Biggs oh. I see. Totally was misinformed I reckon. God Bless
you can't but love a humble intellectual.
Even I’m cracking up just watching it. He’s poring his heart out and doesn’t even realize how it could be funny. My heart goes out to him. ❤
Odd that he started off his sermon with feeling that his audience's perception of "reading" him was above average because they were Christian counselors and soon discovered their perception was very below that of typical audiences. There is something to learn here...
Great observation.
Yes, seemed he was more bummed at their lack of perception than his lack of transparency.
May the Lord be with you. May He put in your heart to seek Him in truth.
Recommend you to watch "The greatest lie since the garden of Eden" on joggler66 channel and "The Two Houses of Israel" and "Lazarus and the Rich Man" on Karl Tester. The time to awake the slumbering virgins has come.
May the Lord remove the scales from the eyes of all who seeks Him in faith, but by truth.
exactly
In the audience's defences, his speech did come across as deadpan humor when taken out of context
And adding context doesn’t really change much either...
That's exactly how I took it, "humor". Most of these comments had to be made at the title of the video and not actually watching it.
@@josephbolognone6014 I don't agree, Joseph. Looking at the title I assumed it was clickbait and Piper was being genuinely humorous, but watching the video changed my mind. There's no doubt by the end that he was pleading with them to take seriously the convictions that "make him cry," and the audience isn't getting it.
how much more context do they need? One of the most renowned serious speakers on the planet came to speak at their conference.
@@BooRadleyTube I feel like a lot of that comes from modern day churches. The pastor often starts off the sermon with like a joke, and then gets into a story about his life that eventually ties into a sermon (not always bad, but it is bad if that happens every single Sunday). It happens so often that that's what people are expecting when someone goes up to preach, but that's just a modern idea that's setup to keep the audience intact. If you look at the sermon on the mount, Jesus didn't start with some joke. Assuming the sermon is a word-for-word transcription. Even if it was just the general idea, Jesus jumped right into the deep end of the topics at hand, not some humorous story to get the audience laughing.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
I appreciated this honesty from a man I rarely see in that light. If leaders were all more open with their weaknesses, how much healthier would the church be? It's how you can be a genuine servant, and also how to not become a pharisee.
It’s interesting that I listen to John in this situation and all I can think about is how these are things that I struggle with at 28 years old. a guy like John piper confesses and talks about these things in the open to so many people and it encourages me and blesses me and I feel humbled and broken. I Want change in my life and the need to see Christ as king and all these people can do is laugh?
This is tremendous, Piper shows he understands the psychology of counseling and the psychology of the fallen human species. It was a very clever and insightful talk while being transparent about being the chief of sinners. I love it.
That fact that they continually thought he was a comedian shows how terrible actual christian comedy is
well i think the people were just being nice to what they thought was probably a bad comedian and laughing for the sake of politeness
Nah this was actually funny and could have worked as a deadpan set.
@@fayeinoue7455 anime profile picture, fuck off
Faye Inoue *tips fedora*
@Tarun Singaria but mine is funnier ,😡 lol
This is very sad, he’s being honest with them, admitting sin etc... and they continue to laugh at him
Piper is a man of God who deserves respect and a listening ear and a closed mouth from the audience!!!
I'm anon Christian and I agree
Very sad to watch.
Possibly one of the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
I believe it was the way he delivered the talk while occasionally smiling,that gave the counsellors permission to laugh.
Excellent, honest, timely humor. Much appreciated.
Reminds me of a twilight zone episode - when a comedian was crying and begging the audience to stop laughing at him in his routine. Every time he did that, they guffawed harder. This is exactly the same...
That's is what girls watch man!... guys Don't watch that
@@MRakshay-fb2mu what.
this isn't anything like that. he's not trying to be funny. this is serious and the laughing effectively mocks God.
@@Sanctifires uhm i think you will find I am saying exactly the same thing. ie I know he wasn't trying to be funny, and yet people were laughing...
I just got back from the AACC conference this year.
Funny that this popped up in the algorithm.
there are a lot of different takes why the audience laughed.
And I think each person may have laughed for their own and multiple reasons.
Yes, we are exhausted, it is A LOT to take in. I don't doubt people were loopy and sleep-deprived and burnt out.
And sometimes there are comedians and funny speakers in the line-up.
My take is that at the start his facial expressions are incongruent.
He starts the first 40 seconds self-deprecating humorously but switches to serious with a bit of a frown but continues to self-deprecate and half smile.
Another reaction , and this is mine, is that many know John Piper and the worm theology and self-flagellating feel of his messages and the laughter is a way of saying Bro, you don't have to crucify yourself and take yourself so seriously.
Lighten up, laugh a little.
Give yourself some grace and rest in God's forgiveness.
At worst it came across as manipulative and insincere.
For him this may be a very vulnerable moment and uncharted territory in his circles but for counselors, we hear this every day all day.
2:02 - 2:26 was genuinely sad. His worst fears were realized.
Well put, always seems weird when a preacher drones on deep diving their weaknesses. Comes off as self absorbed in a self flagellating way. It was like he was overthinking his audience and trying to stay three steps ahead of their ‘psychoanalysis’. He even said at the end he was trying to get them to receive his message. It’s like bro, just share the message, God causes the growth.
I legitimately thought this was fake, that a laugh track was added until he mentioned the laughing towards the end. I’m in disbelief, the moment was completely lost on them.
I literally thought this was edited afterward to add laughing!
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I know! It seemed so fake
He is so puzzled that the people in the audience are laughing during his speech.
it kind of breaks my heart.
@Carlos Spiceywhiener you don't notice him saying "gotta stop laughing like that" and bunch of other times that he acknowledged them laughing?
lmao what's wrong with you they were obviously laughing
@Carlos Spiceywhiener it was funny to me tho, I was laughing and if I thought he was a comedian I would've thought he was doing a good job
@Carlos Spiceywhiener how is it their fault if they thought he was trying to be funny, it would've been respectful to laugh in that case wouldn't it?
Just for a bit of context, his turn was switched with a comedian last second, so the audience doesnt know that he is actually a sermon and the things he said are funny like “i m a sinner” and “i want expecting laughter” 😂😂
He's a famous pastor so that's unlikely.
@@jvm-tv unlikely, but that’s actually what happened
@@sillythygoose except he, John Piper, and many others have gone on record saying it's not true and that the speaker before him was serious and he was the "keynote speaker" meaning people know who he is and we more than likely there to see him partly
@@sillythygoose it isn't though
People keep saying that he was switched with a comedian. I don’t know if this is true or not but that’s like someone ordering a cheeseburger and instead getting a dead fish in a bun and they gobble it up like it’s delicious. If someone is that clueless then they have a problem. Here we have an entire audience of people (supposedly intelligent people) who think this is hilarious.
Oh my Jesus. What a prophetic situation!
The Christian opens his heart about his struggles in God.
The Counselors are so estranged from struggling with God they literally think he is joking.
Father, bless your dearly beloved John Piper. In Jesus name. Amen.
Imagine being this guy
God bless you Mr. Piper, humble servant of the Most High God!!🙏🏽✝️
This was damn strange, someone was willy nilly hitting the laugh track button! 😅🤣😂
Yea. Sounds so much like a laugh box
peep his sermons
@@mysterygirl30011 Yes but piper speaks of the laughter himself.
He is excellent, and the audience knows what he is talking about. It was neither foolish nor awkward. That's great talking! It means he is human! Listening to this competent Christian scholar made me comfortable and encouraged in my own skin. It's good to know that I am not alone. Kudos to Pr Piper and AACC!
He searches our guts and knows who we truly are. It makes my heart glad he knows me so well
I appreciate his humility. I don't think he was intentionally trying to humor the audience.
Not at all. The agenda listed his time slot as a comedy routine by mistake. It’s sad to me that these people can’t discern the difference from comedy and what he is saying.
@@PJErvin That is the irony, he was praising them for their discernment and perceptiveness, yet they weren't discerning that he wasn't joking. He was being vulnerable.
Man, I can't stop watching this. Amazing.
They can’t tell he is serious? He tries to tell them and they keep laughing
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Comedians often sound very serious
God bless, Jesus loves you and died for you all
You couldn’t see the humor in his delivery? Piper even provided clear evidence through his very words that he is not empathetic in general. No human can ever “live up” to these “generals of the cloth” and their “righteous ramblings” as inspirational as they may come across. We are all God Damned sinners. We are all subject to REALITY and consequence. You stand in front of a crowd of flesh… you’d better be on your game, because everyone wants SUBSTANCE.
I appreciate his openness so much. That said, I couldn't help but think of Bob Newhart.
Love this man!
In this short segment, I felt his struggles to be so much like mine, and reduced my own sense of guilt and failures.
To have the spirit to keep on preaching even though people still laughed..that's just wow..
Still struggling with the insecurities of his inner teenager. That hit deep. I should probably deal with that...
What happened is that there was an agenda mixup, and his slot was listed as a stand up comedy routine. So they thought he was the comedian and that this was a comedy routine, not a sermon, thus they were already primed to laugh.
We got it pal, no need to spam it everywhere over and over.
Some people might not have
You've commented this a bunch of times on this video, but I doubt you have proof that this is the case. There is no evidence that there was supposed to be a comedy routine in his place. John Piper is a well known theologian who has 1 million followers on twitter and his own extensive wikipedia page. I'd bet almost every Christian counsellor in that room knew exactly who he was. It'd be like going to an NBA conference and not knowing who Damian Lillard is. Of course that'd be ridiculous to suggest. For more information, put what follows after the reddit website address: /r/videos/comments/cnv5hk/a_pastor_was_slated_to_speak_at_a_conference_for/ewg4ipy/
Alan Lopez R. I replied to a few people so they would know, but now all of a sudden I’m getting a bunch of likes and comments on it. I think TH-cam must’ve recommended it to a bunch of people, because this comment has like 155 likes when it used to be at like 2 lol
@@johna4387 It looks like you value spreading misinformation so long as it garners you useless youtube likes. Otherwise you would've deleted your comments by now. Enjoy your internet points.
This crowd loved and respects Dr.Piper. They are in their own space as psycho drs and are having a good time.
God bless this man. It is recorded in more than one way.
Holy cow. He led with humility and was probably so humbled to be there and the crowd was so not on his level. Totally missing everything.
I know hey, it's like they're in an alternate universe or something.
It's bc there was a comedian who came on before him and they didn't realize he wasnt also a comedian
buixrule yep
yep
They moved Piper’s time slot to the one that was scheduled for a comedian.
There is an *extremely important* side story to this that for some reason, the poster of this video did not mention. John Piper was doing this speech at a conference with *multiple* speakers. There was an _actual comedian_ who was scheduled to give his performance during this particular time slot. All of this was on the agenda, so people who attended were _expecting_ to see a comedian at this particular time. But due to a scheduling conflict, the comedian asked to have his time slot switched and the event promoter said fine, so they switched the comedian's time slot with John's. The problem is that they never informed the audience of this switch, so when the time came for the comedian to come on stage, it was actually John Piper but no MC came on to let the crowd know. So the crowd wasn't actually being rude or disrespectful, they genuinely thought that he was a comedian.
LOL! He's so precious, ya gotta love him.
Profound. Wonderful that he was willing to be vulnerable. Good lesson for the counselors for working with pastors. Because we tend to think they "shouldn't" need help. But, remember, all of God's servants had at least one person they could talk to at a deeper level.
I feel his sincerity... God bless Pastor John Piper 🙏
Poor guy, man. Hope he found out eventually what was really happening.
Nah fuck these tv evangelists.
@@freethinker9406 John Piper is actually a really good dude
Russell Chase no.
@@freethinker9406 k.
@@freethinker9406 lol
Blessed are you who are mocked for righteousness sake!
Well done John you are blessed!
This is the funniest shit I've seen in a while. The schedule mixup where the crowd thinks he's a comedian, how his delivery and pauses could be interpreted as some ironic comedic act, the rising confusion he gets from getting laughter after each thing he reveals about himself, the slow and dry buildup to the 'punchlines', and every time he doubles down on being serious, the crowd equally reflects it with more laughter. What a gem.
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@@lai_strength_training FUCK
Authenticity and transparency from those in leadership roles is comforting and creates a sense of safety that we can be fully known, warts and all. Jesus Died for us while we where yet sinners. It would be great if all believers where able to do this routinely. I think it would make for a interpersonally healthier Church ♥️💕
Watching for the first time. So perplexed myself at the response of laughter. My God bless you Pastor John. In the name of Jesus Christ may your openess of your self doubts be a trumpet blasting of our own self doubts as we continue to be used by God in His plan for us.
apparently, what happened was that his time-slot was switched last-minute with that of a comedian, so everyone laughing thinks they're watching stand-up comedy by a guy who has a very odd and deadpan sense of humor
Needed a Paul Washer moment.
Or a good ole “what’s wrong with you people?!”
Don’t know why you’re laughing, I’m talking about You.
@@Aletheia828 so true hahahhaha, I was thinking the same thing
😂😂😂 Trust me. You do not want that.
More like Paul walker moment 😂
It’s sad they laughed as he poured his heart out. People these days.
Lmao who gives a fuck
It was a misunderstanding. A comedian was scheduled to be up during this time slot but it got switched around, and the audience was primed to laugh at what the speaker at the time would be saying. No one knew what was going on until it was too late and he’d already given his sermon
I know you mean well, but it’s sad how people are so quick to judge without getting the full context of a story.
This pastor had his time slot switched last minute with a comedian so the audience thought he was a comedian doing a dead-pan routine.
Since nobody else can figure it out, the reason people were laughing was because of his inflections, as in the meter of his speech. He naturally talks in a way a person would when they're letting on that they're teasing. I would have been laughing too!
Ahhh I enjoyed much Past. JP. Keep going please. Continue being yourself operating in your own style. Love and respect you big time. JC.
He may have been on point but he was being vulnerable and honest with them about his shortcomings as a Christian and a husband. I applaud him for his honesty and humility, I wish I had half the courage to be as open, honest and vulnerable in front of a crowd so large. God bless you John, thank you for your sincere example.
This man speaks my heart.
I feel like there should have been a RC Sproul moment in there... “I’m serious!”
Dude, that's so funny.🤣
What’s wrong with you people! - R.C. would have also applied.
I was laughing at his confusion of the laughing and that made me laugh harder.
I appreciate hearing Mr Piper's confessions here. It's encouraging to be reminded that even men I respect... Whose ministries have encouraged and challenged me... are weak in many of the same ways as I am.
God bless his vulnerability...
... And I can understand why they were laughing. It's all about timing.
I like and respect this man so much.
As a counselor in training I find this funny yet heartfelt - his words are honest, his awareness of his audience (they demand vulnerability) delightful and his motives (display openness) sincere, but his delivery is more detached (self-deprecating awareness) and lacking affect (not emotionally vulnerable) which makes it ironic (the discrepancy between words and emotionality), and considering they are in an open audience venue and not a private counseling room, plus the comedic timing, it is ultimately read as funny. Still appreciated everything he said, though, and the audience did, too. The laughter was definitely meant to be encouraging. Had he said this on his own with one counselor he would've probably been encouraged to freely explore the feelings attached to the words he was saying. They're counselors! Also, we counselors are indeed a strange bunch!
You've both got it wrong, context : th-cam.com/video/NrqvHi6VuSc/w-d-xo.html
But the laughter is ironic, because as an ex-catholic, I know how much a joke religion is.
After first time hearing, and reading comments, i truly dont know what in the world was going on.
This level of authenticity and candor 💯
Literally I love this guy!!!!
John Piper...my best preacher...a man of God.
Best stand up I've seen in years. I'm not even joking.
He was being serious
@@bean7496 I couldn't believe he was until he sounded offended towards the end. But he seriously sounded like he was joking. I think that's what the audience thought too.
They weren't laughing AT him; they thought he was joking
So, I played this clip for my wife, who is a professional therapist and counselor. She doesn’t understand all the fuss. I was immediately shocked at how poorly the crowd was treating John, but she said she thought he was kind of funny and his dry sense of humor was just a part of his schtick. I explained to her that John is one of the most humble/meek speakers out there and I have rarely heard him crack anything near to a joke… To which she responded, Well if he wasn’t trying to be funny he should not have led with a joke. At that point I just stopped talking.
Those were deep examination of the heart that he was pouring out there. He was showing futility of man and how the best of us can still have to struggle with weakness. I was touched by his remarks...I am sure John Piper is an INFJ.
I would NOT want to be her patient tbh.
"I feel I have serious chronic depression, no one even cares about me anymore.."
"AHAHAHAHA"
@@Womenswell022 seems typically infj
I'm a psych nurse and a Christian. I thought this clip was hilarious! We hear this kind of stuff every day. It's almost like a parody.
Seems like listening to people's problems just desensitises these professionals.
I have so much love for JP!
I heard him tell the story about when this happened but I had never seen the clip of it. Thanks for posting.
He reminds me of me. When I realised that I was crucified with Christ it changed my life dramatically. That was 1988 14 years after I had become a Christian and the last 32 years have been a process each day to deny myself that Christ may live. As he says it's no laughing matter because it's a serious problem to come to terms with all those things in us he has mentioned. I wanted to run away and hide but then how how would I ever grow in Christ. Now all that I am has been exposed but in turn by the grace of my Beloved Father I am being reconstituted to be as Christ because now it's he who lives as I die each day.
Love this man and love this crowd. Simple and harmless misunderstanding. The crowd is not laughing at him at all but with true joy. His is a righteous seriousness, and theirs is an equally respectful and honorable laughter, simply a rapidly flowing stream which briefly flowed into two parallel tracks
You are so right. I was confused for the first couple minutes because I thought he was doing deadpan humor but then realized he wasn't. I felt sorry for him since he was actually confused at the response.
I was not a huge fan of Piper for no real reason but as I see more of him and read his books, I can feel his deep love for God and his genuine desire for others to feel the same.
Piper- "im gonna quit telling you to laugh because were creating a real guilt situation here."
Crowd- " HAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
I watch this at least 3 times a year
It’s not a laughing matter 😕this is real so many people struggle and I too put myself with this man and if you laugh I would question whether you think you are better because none of us are only Christ is perfect and I feel you John much love it’s not easy to confess to people your sins well done 🙌🏼🙏🏼
There appeared to be some sarcasm which fed into the humor.
it sounds like a laugh track ... like it's hard to even believe they're laughing.
That was soooooo funny! People on the north have great dead pan senses of humor. His delivery on some parts could easily be mistook for jokes, like when he said “I thought I would spare you the analysis and tell you up front... that im a sinner” because it's so obvious. They know everyone is a sinner, and it needs no analysis, therefore it could be a joke.
It raises questions as to whether these counselors are TRUE Christians!
A born of the spirit man who is humbling himself and confessing his faults one to another and gets laughed at. Kinda lets me know the spiritual condition of the audience. I often feel in my spirit just as he does, and Yahuwah our Father loves a contrite heart.
@Falcon-um7vo "pharisaical" ? Really? I'm from east Tx, please don't use big words like that to make a point. And no, I ain't gonna look it up lol.
@Falcon-um7vo It may be a very commonly used word if you hang out with Jordon Peterson, but not ever day folks. What scripture am I not familiar with?
@Falcon-um7vo you've judged me as judging others but yet you judged me without knowing anything about me. I'll pray for you tonight also. You have a very condescending attitude. You can have the last word, I will not reply any further.
@Falcon-um7vo If I need correcting, the Holy Spirit will correct me, not you sir. Grace to you.
@Falcon-um7vo you're not gonna let this go, are you? You are a very condescending, arrogant and narcistic "brother" in Christ to talk to me this way. Trolling is very unChrist like also. Go pester the brethren in your own church. I have my opinions. You don't like it, doesn't bother me one bit. What I say in response to what I see on a youtube video is not judging people to their face therefore it is not the same thing. You are judging me and you know nothing about me or my relationship to Yahavah the Father. If I think I need to repent of something I will. Not sure you think the same way.