Get Sharp About Electric Car Tires or Throw Your Money Away
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- Heavier, faster, stingier: No car is harder on tires than an electric one.
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Always glad to see Cooley on CNET. He was my introduction to the CNET brand.
Same here. He's the best in the biz.
If you don't floor it at every stop, your tires will last longer.
Rolling resistance and tire pressure have more to do with that then flooring a cars gas pedal.
And take all the joy out of owning an EV? psht, as if
Exactly, you can have better range too. I think the most important feature of the EV tire is the silence, if this feature is well resolved, I'm sure the other aspects are being taken care by the manufacturer.
@@dagame81790 after 30 MPH or so, flooring it shouldn't do much to the tires unless your going around a turn or you have a really powerful EV. So just save it for highway passing and keep everything else under the load limits of the tire.
I keep our 2023 Tesla Model 3 in chill mode, keep the tire pressure at recommended levels, and rotate as required
No problem with excessive tire wear.
The thing that would stop tire manufacturers from charging more for electric vehicle tires is other tire manufacturers. Higher prices tend to be a signal for other manufacturers to enter that segment.
Everything else is more expensive with EVs so I think the industry will enter that segment with much higher prices once everything balances out. There will be a lot of changes that EVs bring and unfortunately the big players will use this to make more money in every way they can.
Weird Hankook is in the background and was also the Engineering Explained video posted on same day….
Even the 4 points they make are the same…
Yeah, I was just thinking that I’m pretty sure I saw this same video yesterday from someone else
Hankook paid PR, no doubt
And it is suggesting both these videos to me today.. on the same day
Yep. The tire companies want to milk the EV market like there's no tomorrow with marketing and market segmentation. It will peobably fail because:
1) EVs are getting lighter
2) people dont care about range on a daily basis.
Brian, you have a great knack for explaining things.
My 2018 Chevy Bolt is only 3500 lbs, so about what a premium version of the Honda Accord tags in at. It does have healthy torque relative to eco-cars but not compared to some of the vehicles in that weight class. I drive it mostly like a grandma so the torque is only there if you have your foot in it. I just put on some all-season touring tires and they are quieter than the LRR OEM Michelin tires. If there is a fuel economy difference, it is small enough for me not to notice and I pay attention. The Hummer or some of those other examples, is a point well taken.
Great video, I always enjoy watch Mr. Cooley
Merry Christmas and thanks for all the brilliant entertainment.
Also, added air pressure raises the hydroplaning speed.
Great video. 👍🏻 Tnx and Merry Christmas.
Nikki Gordon Bloomfield of Transport Evolved covered the same topic, and revisits snow/winter preparation every year. A Finnish brand of snow tires are said to be the best out there for EVs.
Nokian Hakkapeliitta
Agree- even if they are not the EV rated that CNET wants you to believe
There are winter EV versions and I have them in Hakkapeliitta 10 EV studded and R5 EV friction top rated
Thanks for the content. Can you say a little about snow tires for EVs and tire choices for plug in hybrids that are run mostly on electric?
plug in mostly on electric you need to drive more often otherwise the gas in it will gel and ruin the motor
Interesting points gathered in a short video. Nice.
I put Pirelli P6 tires on my Ford Focus Electric when the original Michelin wore out near 35k miles. I rotated them every 6k miles and they wore perfectly. The Pirelli are a much quieter tire and range did not really change any noticeable amount. Now with over 30k on the Pirellies, they still look like they have a lot of life left in them with rotations every 10k miles. I am aware of the increased wear as when put down the peddle, the only noise I hear is the front tires ripping. So, I just drive very aggressively and the tires last far longer. I am hoping to get at least another 30k out of this $600 set of tires. My car only weighs about 400 lbs more than the gas version, so pretty close and load range is fine. I have zero complaints about this rather inexpensive set of tires.
i put e primacy on my staria van and its great its super quiet and have good rolling resistance.
Thanks for this video. Tires are really something to think about. Geez, wonder how much these things will be? 🤑
Makes sense. Thanks!
Michelin energy saver in the summer and Nokians in the winter. Did wonders for my 2017 ioniq ev which is advertised as 200km range. I got 270
A criminally underrated car. Always efficient, good range, small battery that charged rapidly in a practical Prius-shaped body.
But no, executives say consumers want gargantuan heavy things to compete with BMWs that make them feel special.
@@toyotaprius79 couldn't agree more with you. It was a bit small for me because I'm a bigger guy but the range and efficiency was amazing
just got those handkook Evo on my model Y performance, yesterday.
Huge reduction in road noise and feels way better on the road. I’m a fan so far.
Hybrids have a similar consideration. My 2015 Accord hybrid came with "Low Rolling Resistance" tires, that are probably pretty similar to the EV tires you describe. I replaced them with standard Continental tires of the same size, since new LRR tires would have been twice the cost of the Continentals. Even at 40 lbs inflation pressure, my fuel economy dropped by 8-10%.
Good Video! Hopefully there will continue to be enough competition in the tire market to keep prices reasonable, even if they prices do rase a bit for extra capability of EV tires and for inflation. I predict this will be the case.
Yeah nice bit of FUD at the end there. Because there is hardly any service cost with an EV, tires will just get more expensive! Say what? 😂
Very informative segment
Cooley is witty, succinct, reasonable, honest and of course, cool. 😎 I'd watch him review just about anything.
They don't call him Cool-ey for nothing. 👍
@@directorjustin I've been a fan of his for years and am very disappointed CNET has reduced his visibility on projects and reports. I used to watch his segment on cars years ago. One of his best lines was something like, "This car is ugly at no extra charge." May not be the exact quote, but you get the idea. His reports were factual and if he didn't know something, he would admit it instead of wild speculations. The man speaks my language!
Great vid. I learned something new 👍
Still on my 2015 e-Golf’s original tires so with 7+ years & at 65K+ miles on ‘em, tried looking for EV tires. Couldn’t find dealers listing LRR or load (HL) as filter. Tire dealers need to get in the game and add such filters to their websites.
how much tread life do you have left?
It’s interesting to see Hankook in the thumbnail. They sponsored Engineering Explained‘s video on the exact same topic.
FISKER worked with Bridgestone to develop a suitable tire for their Ocean model (22"-wheels)
I have a Tesla Model 3. I have Pirelli P-Zero All Season Electric tires. The word "electric" is part of the description. They are doing really well after 6 months of use and evaluation. So I recommend these.
The tires fit and finish is better then your entire car.
Nice! Has the snow traction been good? That's been my main problem with the ProContact RXs mine came with.
@@webx135 I never see any snow at all in my northern California area.
@@XX-166 I've received two different Model 3s now. In 2019 and in 2021. Neither of them had any fit and finish issues.
@@scottbreseke716 lucky you… those problems are WELL documented
The Volvo shown at 5:54 in not an EV! Horrors! As always, an informative and entertaining video.
1. Rolling resistance: Less is more efficient for any round object, bearings, tires, etc. - Just ask the railroad.
2. Grip: Varies with surface conditions, limits torque on tires on all vehicles. - A good driver adjusts for conditions, everything is not a race.
3. Tread Wear: Mostly controlled by driver. Drag Racers burn up a lot of tires. Most good tires have a tread wear warranty.
By specifying certain types of tires EVs try to get better mileage and possibly range to compete. These tires would help any vehicle increase efficiency.
"Energy sapping marshmallow" perfectly describes me!
I remember seeing these tires in a clients research and development laboratory.
Is the other channel Roadcars still on? I like the way you present the tech. You’re the best. Cheers
I was thinking the same thing. Most car TH-camrs are talking about this
No mention of micro plastics from tires?
Driving gently will make any tire last. I have 50,000 miles on the original set of Ecopia 422 Plus tires on my e-Golf and I expect to get another 10,000 miles out them.I do rotate every 10,000 miles.
Driving gently will make your life last longer. Well it will feel longer.
A RARE COOLEY SIGHTING. why does this man disappear so long?
On the topic of tire rotations, it's funny how Tesla used to recommend rotations at 10,000 to 12,000 miles, then later reduced it to 6,250 miles. It's like no one at Tesla knew enough about auto tires to realize they need rotating on any vehicle, to get the longest life out of them.
I can't wait for more options to hit the market. Not thrilled with the performance of the stock all seasons on my Lightning, but there are no real good alternatives right now
You could always get a different size wheel and tire setup :)
@@wantsanewvehicle that is a lot more expensive, and there aren't that many EV friendly wheels on the market yet, so you get a bigger range hit.
@@sotek2345 ev friendly? any 'sport' wheel is going to be lighter, and would tell you the actual weight to compare to
@@bradhaines3142 Weight is one factor, but aerodynamics is also important. EVs are so energy-efficient that small things like this, which don't matter much for ICE cars, increase in importance.
EV wheels can generally sacrifice airflow for improved aerodynamics because disc brake cooling is much less important given the availability of regenerative braking. Some such wheels would be unsafe in some conditions on an ICE car.
As to the last point, even if prices don't go up, tyre life may deliberately go down. If tyres are the only maintenance expense you have, tyre manufacturers may lower longevity so they have to be replaced more often.... It's happened before with so many other products designed for "planned obsolescence"
Cheap tyre for ICE already doing that for decades it's worn out fast, but we have options but be ready to fork out more for tyre like Michelin. When I gety new car it's come with Silverstone tyre that's last fir 2 years before I replaced it with Michelin that I still use regularly and still not wear out after 4 years.
The EPA should step in on this. If rolling resistance is important, then longevity should be important. Both effect energy usage as manufacturing tires costs a lot of energy.
Happy Holidays
What about the all weather, all season, snow tire tread - what are the road condition ratings for EV specific tires?
I’m glad I watched this. I’ve seen Michelin on all teslas, but my new model 3 came with Hankook. I thought I was getting shortchanged but now that I’ve seen this video, I know I actually got the best possible standard.
What's the price difference, does anyone know.
Brian pro tip you said most people don't rotate their tires, when the dealership changes your oil have them rotate your tires, my GMC dealership does it for free well its included in the $60 full synthetic oil change, that way its done on a regular basis.
Tyres are either rotational or have an inside/outside, why would you rotate them if your alignment is perfect?
@@Wee_L_LR so they wear evenly on all
@@RossMalagarie surely if the correct pressures & alignment were set then it should wear even without rotating? This might be a US thing idk lol
@@Wee_L_LR tires tend to wear a little more or less inside, outside or all over compared to the other tires, like turning front tires compared to not turning rear tires, that why people rotate tires to try to keep the wear the same as possible so the alignment doesn't need adjusting, worn tires can make a car out of alignment and vise versa, an out of aligned vehicle can wear down tires unevenly. I guess non-US vehicles tire always wear evenly and get aligned regularly say with every oil change? Most don't rotate tire here in the US because its an added expense but since its free at my GMC dealership, (they say its free but the price is just added into the oil change like all "free" things, the price is just hidden). I know they are actually rotating my tires because I have a puncture in one of my tires and its a slow leak and I can monitor the slowly leaking tire, (about 1ib every few weeks) on my digital pressure readout on the driver display proving they moved the tire
Oil change and synthetic done for your pretty hands at a dealer near you seem like real though man …. You should get a ev you 80% there
Regular tire rotations are required if you’re trying to receive a credit for your worn tires before the rated mileage was reached.
This is a manufacturer’s warranty that the tire shop gives you and instant credit when replacing tires. L
I bought standard tires for my Bolt
Big Mistake! My range went down 10 percent
I agree with the other comments. For a small EV (Nissan leaf, kona electric) with over 175,000 km between them. I just bought Michelin summer tires when on sale and I had excellent results and longevity. (I do have a set of winter tires from previous ICE car) Large corporations will always hype and raise prices for a pr gimmick.
How should I rotate my tires if the tires are different sizes in front and back? Also you should do a video on spare tires for an emergency as none of these cars come with a spare.
Rotate the rears left/right and fronts left/right.
And rotating them side to side ONLY WORKS if they’re not directional tires. If you see any writing on the side with the word “rotation” and an arrow symbol, your tires are directional and would only be rotated from front to back. Which you obviously cannot do since your tire sizes are staggered.
As far as your spare tire comment - if you really need one, I would buy a single wheel and tire and keep it in your trunk. But if you’re good with tire monitoring yourself, you may never run into an instance where you absolutely need a spare tire.
You don’t/cant.
HELP! What is the best way to extend range of a EV CAR? Should I change registration from HIGH to LOW when I’m traveling on the road or keep it in HIGH generation mode. What do you suggest?
very interesting for facts I did not realize about Ecars. I have quality Hankooks on my Camry. great tires at a better cost. will stick to ICEs next buy.
I've got a Tesla model 3 std range. It's only 100lbs more than a Toyota Camry.
To be fair, there are plenty of ICE light-duty vehicles that are actually heavier than the average EV, look at the IRS Section 179 rule for the $25k deduction on business-use vehicles - which must be 6,000 lbs (but under 14k lbs). I was surprised my Model Y is too light to qualify but my Pacifica Minivan does - too bad that is mostly a kid hauler/purse on wheels and not a legit business expense. LOL
in my experience just stick with the tyres the car came with if you have to change tyres
They used the cheapest tires possible to save money. That doesn’t mean they’re the best choice.
A Tesla Model 3 weighs about 3,650 pounds. A new 330 weighs about 3,400. A fully loaded Camry weighs about 3,600. Not a huge difference in weight. The problem is vehicles that are too big...like the Hummer or Ford Lightning. It's a silly use of the technology if the goal is to reduce waste.
I am thinking of getting shares in Continental, Michelin etc
About rotating tires on EV's... The idea is good, but on most EV's, tire dimensions are different on the front wheels compared to the rear wheels. This varies, depending on whether you have two wheel drive or four wheel drive, on weight distribution, torque delivery and handling characteristics. So, don't rotate them without checking dimensions and what your specific EV is rated for.
Here are some characteristics:
Feature Front Tires Rear Tires
Weight distribution Stronger tread and sidewalls Softer tread compound
Torque delivery Wider tread pattern Narrower tread pattern
Handling Stiffer tread compound Softer tread compound
Personally, I would recommend leaving all tire related issues to the experts...
Thank you i never rotate my tires its a waste of time plus tires aint the same from 50 years ago when you had to rotate them because they used to wear uneven
THANK YOU for saying EVs don't have to have "electric car tires". I saw pre-mature wear problems when the first gen Prius came out in 2001 in the US. You had to get EXTRA LOAD tires for it. It could wear out standard load tires to the cords in 10K miles especially if you didn't rotate them. Tire companies came with with EV tires to make more money, that's the main reason. You just gotta know the tire specs which most people don't.
So Pirelli Rosso Nero tires are no longer the latest and best?
I'm so old.
Hi!
The recent price of Michelin Primacy tires for our 130,000-mile Tesla model S at Costco from two plus years ago saw the tire prices for the same thing rise from about $900 to $1100+. The house (business?) always wins. Get used to it.
Everything has gone up in the last two years!
Attractive ideas - I'm looking forward to the studies that show whether the tire changes make any difference, or whether it's just hype.
EVs use tires around 35% more then ICE tires for the same distance, this could have been mentioned.
These tires were released with a blitz of people saying they were the greatest tires for EVs. It's a year later and it's tough to find examples of people who purchased these leaving reviews.
*So what is everyones favorite budget tire brand?*
I like Petlas (summer) and Cosmo (all-seasons) A LOT
Michelin. Family owned since the invention of pneumatic tires. By michelin.
Really interesting video. I didn't realize EVs worked best with different tires. And I didn't know EVs weight so much more.
They dont work best with different tires. Most of these EV tires give up grip on dry wet snow for range. This could make the difference between an accident or a near miss.
It’s ignorant people like you that must wait for a run of the mill TH-camr to exaggerate and pretend to tell them how things work…that our current world is upside down.
@@pepeshopping Its nasty people like you who make the world a nasty place. Who made you so angry?
With a comparable car they are usually only a couple hundred pounds more. For example a Toyota Camry weights in on average 3,450lb while a Tesla model 3 which is slightly larger would weigh on average 3,750lb.
@@Aircam73 You are comparing a mid size sedan with a compact car, the correct comparison would have been a Model 3 and a Corolla which weights 2,955 lb.
Our EV weighs less than most new gas vehicles that Americans buy. It is not set up to scream to 60 from standstill in the blink of an eye but rather to keep up with gas traffic.
What the manufacturer has done is put ludicrously oversized low profile wheels and tyres on it. I am researching dropping the tyres from 19 inch to 17 inch rims and going from 50 to 60 sidewall ratio. This will reduce noise, increase ride comfort and potentially increase economy. Oh, and the tyres are 30% cheaper too like for like.
I am just wondering how I can do this without invalidating my insurance here in the UK.
Thanks for giving tire makers that idea 😂
Personally, I hope they up the price, but put it to use. An even quieter, more economical "CrossClimate EV" would be awesome.
The HL-tires work great. My M3 Tesla has much less tire wear than any of my previous cars. I also see the different types of punishment on any tire… 😂
this guy is a vampire.
Yeah, I could see the use of fear tactics in this and I called BS on all of this because cars used to be a lot bigger and heavier boats back in the day and those tires held up just fine
What we want is an actual comparison test of various EV-specific tires, not a promo for Hankook!
Like how they show the i3 when talking about using regular car tires instead of electric specific tires - there’s no other car made that has that tire size.
Same wear and tear on my Tesla Tires as any other vehicles I’ve owned. For the last 25 years. This isn’t True at All.
What about hybrids?
Didn’t Rolls Royce and the Honda Odyssey have the noise reduction materials in the tyers?
Old tech, new sticker: extra profit.
Within 9 months time; 8k miles… replaced the OEM Hankook tires, and again replaced the warranty set… all eight (8) tires suffered side belt. “Bulges”… these EV rated tires do not do well on Michigan highways. Most highways are riddled with bumps and cracks; causing a rough ride and extra stress on the tires. Unfortunately, I went ahead paid out of pocket for a different manufacturer. 22k miles later with no tire issues. If buying aftermarket tires, always consider the road hazard warranty! Especially when the manufacturer will not stand by their products… “cough!!! Hankook!” With all that said, tires are designed for vehicles as elaborately explained in the video, not around road conditions. Know your roads and seasonal conditions, find the dependable tires that keep you safe!
You dont need «ev tyres». All tyres come with a load rating. You need a good tyre that handles, stops quickly and remove water efficiently - with the correct load rating for whatever car you have.
I wonder if you might have added the regen braking wear on EV tyres - in an ICE car the braking is less as the car slows to lights and junctions. In an EV, especially with the highest level of regen selected, this slowing happens over a shorter distance, causing more wear. Great for the range, not so for the tread.
Regen braking wear on tires? How is braking less on an ICE car, it is wearing out the brakes and the effect of braking on either car would be the same.
@@andrewbell8837 I don't think so. Regen is akin to braking hard to a stop compared to coasting to a stop. This is not simply the equation for stopping a mass from a certain velocity, it's the time taken/allowed, to stop. On an atomic level, I guess the way the friction breaks down the rubber compound - the heat created by the resistance, stripping off electrons. less heat = less breakdown of the compound. Maybe consider the situation in reverse - hard acceleration = hard wear (which is also a thing with EVs). The i-pedal mode in my EV6 is fairly harsh. There's no gliding to the lights on this setting.
EVs vary just like conventional cars. A Chevy Volt isn't overly heavy nor fast. Any sedan tire will work fine. Sure, a low rolling resistance tire might add a bit of range, but it would also add 1 mpg or so to a typical sedan. More expensive tires are typically quieter as well and will make a difference in any car unsurprisingly. Also, any EV car will likely weigh similarly to an SUV, which the tires it uses will be designed to support.
It's amazing how much tires can affect range on EVs. Tires alone can make a 20-30% difference in range because rolling resistance is one of the main sources of energy loss in electric vehicles. I swapped Michelin Pilot Sport 4S out on my Model 3 Performance with the LR AWD 3's Tesla-spec Michelin MXM4 tires and saw a 23% improvement in range. Same thing with my EV6 GT. Went from Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric5 SUV to Hankook Ion Evo AS SUV and see a 30% improvement in range.
@@fields1 interesting. Did you change the outside diameter of the tires on any of the changes, because that I have heard changes the range.
@@fredfrond6148 they're exactly the same diameter, 29". Just different aspect ratio
I am real happy with the PIRELLI
P ZERO AS PLUS ELECT’S I purchased. So quiet, with increased range from the oem tires on my M3. It will be interesting to see how they do this winter in Michigan.
evs can be lighter and torque can be tuned easily
European standards require you to list rolling resistance and noice.
Maybe you can address hybrid tires.
Brian Cooley always bring something to teach and or insight to the matter. It’s always a Like from me. Man is a goat in this game
I was at Discount Tire last week, and a guy WTH Tesla came in and needed tires, he found out that he couldn’t get the ones that they didnt have them.
Yeah. I have a Model Y and it needed 255/45R19 XL. People basically had to petition Michelin to make this size for the CrossClimate2, because the people with Model 3's were spewing out glowing reviews for them.
That was me lol
This guy was an EV hater until it was foolish to be one. 😅
Good point but it was always foolish. 😂
Cooley!!!!!!!! He’s the best!
keep tire pressure to 45psi
It helps, for normal driving.
It will change the driving characteristic of the whole car if you want to push its limits.
As long as the psi isn't at or exceeding the pressure maximum on the tire sidewall there shouldn't be any danger.
Don't do this lmao
@@Wee_L_LR Tire Rack included a note with just purchased set of 4 new tires for my Tesla model S. It said "Inflate to 45 psi".
Not a good idea nor does that work in all climates.
@@XX-166 My Model 3 says to inflate to 42psi. That's what I do, and the two sets of tires I've bought so far have done fine.
Suggest you might want to take an economics course. Car prices go up when financing goes down because demand goes up as more people can afford the payments. And yes you can expect EV tires to cost more because they cost more to make as you carefully detailed.
I don’t see the point of paying 1600+ for a special set of tires if you’re just going to burn through them every 30k miles. I got a set of 4 installed for 500 on my model 3 performance work just as good as the stock ones 😅
I agree which tire and what size did you get I have a model Y. performance... And I'm also looking to square them off
One of the best TH-camrs from day 1
Clearly you don't own the vehicles CNET is talking about
Internet legend.
Really grind my gears when an old white man says, "so here's what I want you to do..."
Really? Why?
Michelin Energy Savers A/S. Done.
Sooo if I buy electric car tires for my regular car seems like they would last almost forever? :)
Not sure about weight. My BMW i4 is only a bit heavier than my Alfa Romeo Giulia QV, which by the way has similar wear to my BMW!. I think you are exaggerating the differences. SUVs are also heavy.
At minute 4 it sounds like you were about to give a "but" but then it cut out...
No mention of wheel alignment price after you put on your new EV tires??? The cost is about 3X larger than a regular wheel alignment because it is much more work. Don’t be surprised!!!
So apparently Hankook paid more than a few large youttube channels for what is not much more than a giant ad.
It's nothing new. A lot of big corporations do this in every industry, but now those dollars are moving over to TikTok.
Exactly. Few ppl realize this!
I noticed too.
still peanuts compared to the propaganda from toyota and tesla who are lobbying on government level
Agreed!!
Since posting my previous comment, I have still not received an acknowledgment, much less a reply, from Hankook and Sailun on where and when one can buy their EV tires.
I feel like somehow the dealers will figure out a way to make brake jobs more expensive. Me: "But isn't the regenerative braking doing more slowing down for you?" Dealer: "Screw you. Pay me."
That Tesla brake maintenance thing seems like it could be avoided by just using the brakes to brake (use less regen) every once in awhile.