So I don’t ever blame Mickey for leaving Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, but I absolutely lost it when you said, “If only Aqua could smell a rat when she sees one.”
A really cool thing about Neverland is that Terra and Ven are actually there around the same time, but in different areas. Terra’s conclusion is the early middle of Ven’s time there.
I'd say they finish around the same time since, when Ventus fight captain hook, Terra would be fighting peter pan, but I haven't play bbs in a while so I might be remembering weird.
4:58 YES, EXACTLY. I just don't understand why Nomura suggested to play with Terra first. Ventus' Story is written as a mystery and Terra's is written as the answers, it just doesn't make any sense.
I'm glad that ignored this suggestion on my playthrough of BBS. I played Vernfirst, then Aqua, and Terra last. I think he's definitely best saved for last, at least if it is your first time playing.
Honestly yeah, to a point even Aqua still has that sense of mystery and intrigue regarding Terra's actions, and if you do Ven first there are still plenty of opportunities to think and wonder about how exactly things went down.
@@Bastion90 I prefer Ven to establish the mystery, Terra to give answers, then Aqua because she's kinda an antagonist for both of the others and seeing her rationale after that lends a little sympathy her way, plus timeline wise she does cap off the story's events.
The best part about Ven’s story might honestly be how gets acknowledged in KH2. 10 years later, Stitch is crawling around Radiant Garden looking for something, before eagerly jumping on a spiky head, acting as if he’s met Sora before. Even a decade later, Stitch never forgot. Dammit, now I really hope we DO get Hawaii in the next game so Ven can see Stitch again. Also, further in defense of Terra, he would have been a lot harder to manipulate if he weren’t trained to deny darkness’s existence in his heart altogether.
I'll try and help the algorithm with a really lengthy comment: I knew you were going to bring up that area in Dwarf Woodlands. Was replaying BBS just before your first part, and I distinctly remember having to light the water heaters to get bubbles going. I was instantly taken back to Deep Jungle and Halloweentown. Also, I agree on your point about Disney worlds being better when they're integrated into the plot. The series, for me, will never top Beast just rolling into Hollow Bastion on his own adventure, and teaming up with Sora for the comeback. That level of Disney integration was phenomenal, and while Tron in KH2 and Toy Box in KH3 come close (as well as the FF integration in KH2 and BBS), I knew that mirror scene would be in your vid. Disney villains having knowledge of the outside worlds is always so sinister, like it turns any Disney villain into a serious threat. Like, Kuzco could be trying to fight you with his little David Spade voice and you'd laugh, but then he'd be like "you won't be laughing when I send you to the Realm of Darkness" and it's like, oh shit, this just got real.
19:16 Well, Castle of Dreams _is_ home to the Fairy Godmother, the most powerful character in Kingdom Hearts canon; there's also the possibility that Maleficent might not have _known_ where the other Princesses of Heart were, and so spent some of that time _looking_ for them, invading and destroying other worlds like Pridelands and Land of Dragons in the process. Given that Captain Hook thinks Wendy is one of the Seven Princesses in KH1 Neverland, that suggests that the villain council doesn't know exactly where and who all of the Princesses are.
Aqua's visit to Castle of Dreams is memeable gold, but I do feel bad that Anastasia gets killed along with Drizella and Tremaine. I'm a big stan for Cinderella 3: A Twist in Time, so seeing a character like Anastasia who got a redemption arc get denied it in KH is a bit sad. Especially when Iago gets his redemption arc put in KH2.
why? its literally the most weakest one. Combos fucking take so long. Commands sucks . 3 Characters is bullshit . Every ost is annoying. And fuck aqua.
On the note of shrinking characters down for worlds: Can we talk about how most of Ventus's plots in each world inherently focus on how small he is or how young everyone thinks he is?
"Blandm'n #2 who at least has a name and can hold his own in a fight, but can you name one other thing about him?" He proposes to random girls he meets in the woods like he's Brock from Pokémon.
I’m curious where you’d rank the Realm of Darkness from the Secret Episode in this list since it has a lot of platforming and it’s not necessarily the most straightforward in navigating it at first. Capped off by my favorite Pureblood Heartless fight and that ending cutscene still fills me with glee to this day. On the topic of Maleficent, keep in mind there are hundreds of worlds and she’s essentially searching for six needles in a massive haystack. Castle of Dreams and Radiant Garden we’re definitely two of her earliest conquests, but we know that worlds like Bambi, Dumbo, Pride Lands, and Land of Dragons were all lost during that ten year period. Maleficent would definitely have more duds than successes when hunting down the princesses. Great video as always.
Honestly, given how much Destiny Islands is shown off in BBS, I get why they skipped Hawaii. But I don't get why they chose to move ahead with Lilo & Stitch without Lilo. They honestly should have gone with Treasure Planet for the space environment, along with Vaan and Penelo aboard the ship (and maybe Balthier and Fran). Hell, the keyblade gliders could have fit so well with Jim Hawkins hoverboard, and Vaan would have neither and be salty and be like "I'll have my own ship someday" Ugh I'm so salty
The part about avoiding family on Christmas Eve 2010 while in 8th grade due to playing BBS thanks to not owning a PSP from September until December hit way too close to home. If I didn’t know any better, I’d assume I wrote this script. That said, I was not strong enough to avoid spoilers.
I’d seen argument for a “V T A” play order and been ambivalent toward it compared to TVA, but that quibble over the Dwarfs’ suspicions has pushed me toward the former. Plus, we don’t see Terra’s possession directly from the end of Ven’s story, but we are told Vanitas’s relationship with Ven in Terra’s, which is a more interesting mystery than “two guys who almost look like Ansem SoD”. Plus, it’s not like we wouldn’t have to go through an entire other playthrough of Aqua to get a continuation of Venitas’s brief stint, so there’s little momentum to be broken up between the “V” and “A” routes regarding that bastard.
I think the order should be VAT because Terra being posted is only shown in his route and the secret episode which requires you to have completed the three main routes. Aqua’s route also has some intrigue with “is Terra falling to darkness” esc. stuff. The Ventus-Vanitas fight works better after Ventus’ route which just ends with the Ventus stuck on his station of awakening and Aqua shows what happened to his body
Capturing Cinderella probably meant getting through the Fairy Godmother. My bet is the entire villain council had to fight her all at once after spending years of prep just to barely get her distracted enough for one of them to grab Cinderella and get out of there. I'm also guessing they probably used to have double or more the members and the Fairy Godmother killed them all during the encounter. That's why Gaston wasn't in Beasts Castle.
That Braig fight is what finally got me to learn how to use the block button effectively. I'm embarrassed to admit that I played through the majority of the prior KH games barely using Block because I was just bad at it and too stubborn to learn how to do it better.
I loved your "Ansem wasn't really Ansem, but he still had to be stopped, right? 'Cause that would invalidate the whole last game." I always had an issue with that scene in KH2. It was almost like they were saying that their whole journey in KH1 was completely pointless, even though if they didn't defeat Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, the entire universe would be swallowed by darkness.
isn't that just one of those things where the characters are being dumb on purpose? the scene in question doesn't say ansem sod wasn't a threat or wasn't real, just that he wasn't the guy really named ansem.
best part of the magic mirror fight is when you knock it on its back and it struggles to get up. such a great "fuck it, let's do it" moment. also a huge fan of tiny Ventus annihilating Lucifer the cat.
Thanks for once again reminding me how much I like Terra. The more I think about it, the more I feel like he might be in my top....6? characters in the series. Calling Terra a big idiot dingus (for the wrong reasons, that is) should be a crime. Another classic vid!
I've thought about it many times and from a gameplay and especially a story perspective it's inconceivable to me to recommend any order except Ventus --> Terra --> Aqua for a new player
Fun fact: As someone whose first KH game is BBS as my first KH game and with no knowledge on anything from the lore other than the very basic premise of "Sora goes to Disney worlds with Donald and Goofy and beat things up with a Keyblade after being separated from his friends", I ended up picking Ven first because the emphasis on him throughout the intro and tutorial convinced me to do so.
Thank you, thank you so much for not saying Terra is dumb. Too many TH-camrs say that, and it is not true. Terra is a sweet little idiot and I say that with I'm the best possible way. Quite possibly the best original character in the series, besides Lauriam and Ienzo. My defense for those two is that both of them actually faced death and the deaths of their loved ones, with Lauriam's sister being murdered by his so-called friend and Ienzo's parents dying. Kudos to SE for making one of the most lovable characters an orphan.
@@mulduls I forgot we were talking specifically about KH lol, yeah I guess that makes it a little more interesting, Roxas will always be my favorite but Terra is easily my 3rd, Riku 2nd, Terra had a good story in BBS and his life ever since was him having to watch his body cause chaos for what would feel like forever.
I never had a psp so I didn’t get to play BBS until playing the full collection of remasters right before KH3 came out. Somehow I got no spoilers in the many years that had passed and had a great time with it. Based on nothing other than a gut feeling really, I played Ven first, then Terra, then ended with Aqua and that felt like the perfect way to play it to me
Minor correction; Brother's Grimm didn't author Snow White, they just documented it (and edited). It'd been an oral story for centuries before they wrote it down on paper, as were all the fairytales attributed to them.
"minnier than a war criminal's wife" you did not have to go so hard for Michael Mouse but I am so glad you did. He deserves it. He does NOT drink his respect women juice.
Why are you so soothing to listen too, I love your rambling, don't ever stop infodumping lore and gameplay perspectives of a game I don't even play. You are also the perfect type of humor, you make me exhale with a lil force with the quips.
Bless you for also being a Terra apologist. He’s honestly my favorite of the three both in the story and who to play as. He did nothing wrong and he’s absolutely not stupid.
I think I slightly better order is to play this as Ven, Terra, Aqua. Going with Terra first just eliminates so much tension that you’d get from playing as Ven first
not very often someone shares their opinions about this franchise and the design choices within and i agree anywhere near 50% but dude i agree with you 100%
With Maleficent turning into a dragon at will, as opposed to being stabbed with the Keyblade of hearts, I actually headcanon that she's always had her dragon form, but her battle with Aqua and Phillip ended up severely wounding her to the point where she couldn't activate her dragon form anymore. At least not until Riku!Ansem unlocked it again ten years later.
The worlds that are integrated into the plot are ALWAYS the best. That's why I like KH3's worlds so much. There is something in each of them that catches the Organization's interest to potentially help them further their goals. (Well, except the Carribean and Olympus but you get it)
The Carribean did have the box containing Davy Jones' heart. That caught the Org's attention even if they turned out to be mistaken about it. Vexen thought Davy Jones' "Heart" was in the box, when really it was just his "heart".
Birth by sleep was ~*cheffs kiss*~ my favorite kh game. Honestly ties with 365/2 days, because of all of the emotions I felt. BBS is deceptively dark, and so interesting on its OWN! BBS didn’t really require you to know the kh story, which I love. Aqua is my Sora.
bbs was unknowingly my first dip into kingdom hearts and i only remember the jellyfish fucker cause i was not a gamer and kept dying to him so bad i stopped playing the game and spent like . 3 years not knowing the end of Ven's story cause of it
15:16 why is the "cake" when Aqua slaps Cinderella's butt the single funniest thing I've ever seen in my life Like, I watched this a week ago and it still makes me crack up out of nowhere
Yow we appreciate your not so daily but quality filled videos. Even though KH has been dry since the KH3, you still find ways to make content out of it. Hope you get more subs
Im on my second playthrough of this game and i love seeing Enchanted Dominion get the love it deserves! They captured the art style of the film so perfectly, especially the forshortening that gives those two castles their scope. Exploring the Forbidden Mountain sections are a literal DREAM and the musical theme is ominous, somber and dreamy.
I really enjoyed these two videos on the worlds in BbS. I love all that you do. Thanks so much for the content you make for the KH community! And I played BbS in the order of Aqua, Ventus, and Terra, and totally thought Terra had at least gone the Riku route of kidnapping princesses or something... only to play his PoV and realize he had done nothing wrong. So I sort of wish Nomura hadn't recommended playing him first, so more people would have had that experience. It was honestly a lot of fun.
(uhh I already commented this elsewhere but gotta feed that elusive algorithm) Brilliant video, thoroughly enjoyed. Even though Cinderella is far from one of my favourite films, I love that world to play though. I love that Aqua asked to try on the slipper, and that they straight up exploded the step mother/sisters, giving them a far worse comeuppance than they ever had in the film (Anastasia actually gets a redemption arc in one of the sequels, so I guess that's out the window now that she is a bit incinerated). The only thing I really disliked in that world was Aqua doing an escort mission with a mouse to drag a giant key to Cinderella, and USES HER OWN GIANT MAGIC OPEN-EVERYTHING KEY to bludgeon enemies instead of just using it to open the door herself. Like come on Aqua you are smarter than this
During Ventus's visit in Radiant Garden, Even also made a comment about Ventus's heart being devoid of darkness. Given what we later learn ebout the researching of hearts being done in Ansem's lab, and layer Vexen's replica experiments, it's a small but insightful comment from him.
9:32 I mean a Sting Ray Swimming through the seas of space makes sense. 20:00 wasn’t Aurora’s heart released by Terra tho? Do you like ven-ven, Pat-Pat?
Hey that kiss is not creepy In the movie it easily established they met each other And maybe something was forming But tragically the next time he see her. He thinks she has past this Mortal coil And gives her a farewell kiss. Don't let the bastardozation people have done to the concept influence you
Hmm...I am very surprised there was no special mention for the RoD for Aqua's secret episode...but I do respect your choices, they make sense. Radiant Garden, a place I would like to visit and not live because of the infestation of things that could kill me.
Given how untalked DDD is on this wonderful channel, could you make a Rank of DDD's worlds? It would also be intresting because DDD's worlds are mostly "unique" (as in, they don't appear again), TT and TWTNW aside.
Yeah, the music is really nice here. It's also nice seeing some character and plot relevant stuff through the worlds. Instead of it just being a new plot, or a film one.
The fairies appear as chattable NPCs in Enchanted Dominion at some point during Ventus' visit in the grassy save room. Not sure if they're still there after the end of his story
I really hope that they do a proper Lilo & Stitch world in the future. As in, with Lilo. (No, not Yuna or Ai. Give us Lilo.) BBS Maleficent: Gets bodies by Ven a day or two out from leaving his training ground, not anywhere near Master level yet, four years after getting reset to Level 1. KH1 Maleficent 10 years later: Gets bodied by Sora, who is two years younger than Ven was but has more in-the-field experience and has Donald and Goofy by his side. Union Cross Maleficent a week later from her time traveling perspective: Bodies Lauriam, who has had at least three years of experience, shortly after her dragon form got bodied twice. She has an interesting growth curve. *Blandm'n Pop Quiz* He's a charmer with great pick-up lines. "We've met before. You said it yourself: _Once Upon a Dream_.'" I think the dwarfs already enacted pickaxe justice on the Queen. (Minus the pickaxing and with the addition of a giant boulder, a fragile cliff ledge, and Along Came Zeus.) The journal suggests that she's already died offscreen.
Allow me to contribute to the Terra Defense Force by pointing out how Terra interacted with the villainous cast of BbS. *Tremaines:* No interaction. He's safe from them (save for maybe their ire attracting the Symphony Master). *Evil Queen:* Only follows along just to know where he can ask Snow White something. And if she doesn't have an answer, he can just leave her be and go tell the Queen what he really thinks of her "radiance". *Hades:* Just participating in the Games as normal. And when Terra doesn't get as dark as Hades wants, he tries to force him with dark-Zack, though this ends up encouraging Terra more to not go dark. *Dr. Jumba:* Yes, he does lead him into freeing 626, but Terra only does so because he sees another powerhouse in need of some friendship - and his interaction with 626 ends up shaping the rest of Deep Space's story. *Hook:* What everyone points to to call Terra an idiot. Yeah, Hook claimed that his treasure chest held light that Peter Pan was out to steal, and Terra did follow along and get into a fight with Pan over it. BUT Terra did repay the favor by tricking Hook into giving him Tinker Bell. So in the end, who's the real idiot? *Maleficent, Braig, Master Xehanort:* Okay, sure, these three duped Terra with barely any retribution at all, but they are major KH villains. Maleficent merely cornered Terra after he went to see if Aurora, "the light", was safe, and as a result planted seeds of doubt into his heart. Braig pressured Terra with his fake hostage situation AND being a tenacious attacker, forcing Terra to go all-out enough to tap into his darkness for power. As for Master Xehanort...I mean, come on, Terra only knew him as his senior, Master Eraqus's friend, and the one who entrusted Ven to Eraqus. Of course Terra would have that studently respect toward him, which would only be broken when Xehanort literally backstabs his friend right in front of Terra's eyes.
I've got no complaints with this entire ranking. I also shit a city's worth of bricks upon seeing the younger Organization's "Somebodies" and I still just get super giddy and excited like, "OH GOD, THEY EXISTED" LOL I know I'm probably against the majority, because BBS is definitely my favorite of the KH games just because it was the one that really made me fall in. There was just so much more in them beyond the pretty colors, Disney characters and MASHING X TO WIN. I wish the trio showed more of their friendship to really drive it home, but it just floored me that none of them had happy endings. You'd think the game would be super repetitive with playing it 3(.5) times in the same worlds with the same music, but the fact that each visit would be so different and show you another side of the world entirely made each play just as exciting. I just... AUGH, I could gush about this game all day, so these videos give me so much life lol
My first play order is IMO the best first play order due to it slowly unveiling the problems of Terra and how Aqua seems to have her issues with him by playing as Ven first, then Aqua, then having Terra be the big wrap-up spectacle which leads into the true ending boss.
I regularly see people say that Birth by Sleep and Star Wars Episode III have the same plot, and only watching this video did I realize that Terra's Radiant Garden visit is basically the first act of Episode III where Anakin and Obi Wan board Grievous' ship to rescue Chancellor Palpatine.
Am I the only person who went Ven, Aqua then Terra? That's my recommended order. The best part is when the Mirror fight for Aqua comes right the fuck out of nowhere.
Maybe Maleficent spent that time convincing/recruiting her inner circle of Disney Villains? Maybe she scouted out which Worlds had the other Princesses of Heart? Maybe it took her that long to come up with a plan because Disney villains tend to not set long-term goals beyond, “I’ll conquer/obtain [insert property/MacGuffin].” Maybe she just wanted a vacation after taking over Radiant Garden? I dunno. Do we really need this question to be answered? You KNOW that Nomura will make another spinoff game about it.
Fun fact: in terra's story you can get 2 different cutscenes depending in which order you clear the first 3 worlds. Both are about terra saying he need to pay yen sid a visit.
And Disney Town has different versions of the Million Dreams Award ceremony cutscene. Once you’ve reached the end of Disney Town with all three characters within your save files, you can trigger the versions where Terra, Ventus and Aqua respectively are presented with their custom ice creams.
Your comment at 5:01 about how the drama and intrigue w/ Terra being framed as a bad guy is basically void when playing in the suggested order is exactly why I've started thinking that the story should actually being played in the order Ventus --> Aqua --> Terra. In my eyes, this works best because you get the introduction of the essential main conflict with the X-Blade and Vanitas, which is more or less concluded with Aqua, all while getting this mystery build up of what the heck is going on with Terra. I also just think it makes what happens to Terra feel all the more dramatic and tragic.
As soon as you mentioned the atmosphere of Enchanted Dominion I started asking myself "is Pat going to mention The Silent Forest" and then you did. It's my favorite field theme in the game (and up there for the entire series) and you nailed why. Also, can I join you on the Terra Apologist Tour? This guy is out here trying his best while also being actively mislead by multiple antagonists. Sure, he's not completely blameless, but a good 90% of this shit isn't his fault. In my experience Terra generally seems to take the largest share of the fandom's blame for the events of BBS (rather unfairly), and I think that completely misses the point. Birth by Sleep is ultimately a tragedy, and part of what makes it so tragic is that all three of our protagonists are doing the best they can with the information available to them and it's still /not enough/. They're not perfect and they've made mistakes (particularly when it comes to communication), but they aren't to blame for the events of the finale or for the aftermath. I think it's a disservice both to Terra's character and to the game as a whole to claim otherwise and insist that things would've turned out fine if Terra had just done things differently. That was a bit more of a rant than I anticipated when I started typing this comment but I stand by it.
I can't help but feel like the dramatic irony of Terra's storyline is lost to lot of people. Given the sheer fact that Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep is a prequel and many of the villains in the game are among the ones in Kingdom Hearts, it seems like it is intentionally supposed to be obvious that many of the people that Terra interacts with are evil; as you mention a part of the tragedy is that Terra is being a good person for not taking people at face value but is punished for doing so due to his lack of knowledge. Along with that, Terra has very little experience of the outside world and thus is understandably not the best regarding social skills.
@@anankos795 You're absolutely right. It's so easy to forget that just because WE know these people are clearly villains it doesn't mean Terra does. We've played the rest of the series and we're familiar with the Disney source material. That gives us a lot of information that Terra doesn't and couldn't ever have. And I'm glad you mentioned the social skills thing because it's something I failed to say originally, but Terra seems to have spent the vast majority of his time growing up around a grand total of three people, all of whom he knew he could trust. That didn't adequately prepare him for meeting other people in the rest of the worlds. It didn't even come close. And it certainly didn't prepare him for meeting anyone who wasn't as trustworthy as the people he grew up with. And honestly? All of this is why Terra's fall to darkness works so well for the story and his characterization. It was never going to come as a surprise given BBS's status as a prequel, so instead it's intentionally clear from the start where Terra's story is going. That's what makes his storyline so impactful, so when people miss that dramatic irony of course it's going to fall flat. And it's a shame that's lost on so many people who will just write it off as all Terra's fault instead.
Deep Space is honestly an out there world you wouldn't expect I guess the implication is the spaceship Stitch used crash landed in Radiant Garden and he got stuck there
This man could talk about the pixels in every KH title screen for 5 hours and I’d still tune in
I know right!
You know what, fuck it. Rank the title screens.
Niko
Well he did the openings so I guess that's pretty close
He should do one of all the idle movies that play after sitting on the title screen for a minute
I never realized how memeable Aqua's Castle of Dreams visit was until this video
15:23 oh my god she totally touches Cinderella’s ass 😂
So I don’t ever blame Mickey for leaving Aqua in the Realm of Darkness, but I absolutely lost it when you said, “If only Aqua could smell a rat when she sees one.”
A really cool thing about Neverland is that Terra and Ven are actually there around the same time, but in different areas. Terra’s conclusion is the early middle of Ven’s time there.
I'd say they finish around the same time since, when Ventus fight captain hook, Terra would be fighting peter pan, but I haven't play bbs in a while so I might be remembering weird.
“He tried to murder Terra by sticking a thunder rat on him”
I did not know Pikachu was in Kingdom Hearts
Aqua holding Cinderella's ass for way longer than necessary is definitely my favorite scene in the game
im gay, sue me
done.
Aqua and Cinderella is my one unironic crack pairing.
Timestamp pls? didn't notice it and im now curious
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YES, EXACTLY. I just don't understand why Nomura suggested to play with Terra first. Ventus' Story is written as a mystery and Terra's is written as the answers, it just doesn't make any sense.
It's also kind of suggested to do his story first since you play as him in the tutorial
I'm glad that ignored this suggestion on my playthrough of BBS. I played Vernfirst, then Aqua, and Terra last. I think he's definitely best saved for last, at least if it is your first time playing.
Honestly yeah, to a point even Aqua still has that sense of mystery and intrigue regarding Terra's actions, and if you do Ven first there are still plenty of opportunities to think and wonder about how exactly things went down.
@@Bastion90 I prefer Ven to establish the mystery, Terra to give answers, then Aqua because she's kinda an antagonist for both of the others and seeing her rationale after that lends a little sympathy her way, plus timeline wise she does cap off the story's events.
@@TheKabuto90Aqua I can see doing last for gameplay reasons at least
The best part about Ven’s story might honestly be how gets acknowledged in KH2. 10 years later, Stitch is crawling around Radiant Garden looking for something, before eagerly jumping on a spiky head, acting as if he’s met Sora before. Even a decade later, Stitch never forgot.
Dammit, now I really hope we DO get Hawaii in the next game so Ven can see Stitch again.
Also, further in defense of Terra, he would have been a lot harder to manipulate if he weren’t trained to deny darkness’s existence in his heart altogether.
I'll try and help the algorithm with a really lengthy comment:
I knew you were going to bring up that area in Dwarf Woodlands. Was replaying BBS just before your first part, and I distinctly remember having to light the water heaters to get bubbles going. I was instantly taken back to Deep Jungle and Halloweentown.
Also, I agree on your point about Disney worlds being better when they're integrated into the plot. The series, for me, will never top Beast just rolling into Hollow Bastion on his own adventure, and teaming up with Sora for the comeback. That level of Disney integration was phenomenal, and while Tron in KH2 and Toy Box in KH3 come close (as well as the FF integration in KH2 and BBS), I knew that mirror scene would be in your vid. Disney villains having knowledge of the outside worlds is always so sinister, like it turns any Disney villain into a serious threat.
Like, Kuzco could be trying to fight you with his little David Spade voice and you'd laugh, but then he'd be like "you won't be laughing when I send you to the Realm of Darkness" and it's like, oh shit, this just got real.
"Hey fellas, did someone say the Door to Darkness?" Michael says as the camera pans to him giving a creepy face while wearing a black hoodie.
Don’t get me started on Emperors New Groove (and by extension, Yzma) being omitted from KH3 😩
19:16 Well, Castle of Dreams _is_ home to the Fairy Godmother, the most powerful character in Kingdom Hearts canon; there's also the possibility that Maleficent might not have _known_ where the other Princesses of Heart were, and so spent some of that time _looking_ for them, invading and destroying other worlds like Pridelands and Land of Dragons in the process. Given that Captain Hook thinks Wendy is one of the Seven Princesses in KH1 Neverland, that suggests that the villain council doesn't know exactly where and who all of the Princesses are.
12:49 "And even then those guys aren't trying to kill you"
Clayton: "Am I a joke to you?"
So true, the hunter actively tried to kill the party.
Aqua's visit to Castle of Dreams is memeable gold, but I do feel bad that Anastasia gets killed along with Drizella and Tremaine. I'm a big stan for Cinderella 3: A Twist in Time, so seeing a character like Anastasia who got a redemption arc get denied it in KH is a bit sad. Especially when Iago gets his redemption arc put in KH2.
Honestly, BBS is still my personal favorite KH game.
why? its literally the most weakest one. Combos fucking take so long. Commands sucks . 3 Characters is bullshit . Every ost is annoying. And fuck aqua.
@@paweave9562 Did BBS kill you dog or something?
@@paweave9562 bbs is good, and as far as i've seen it's in most peoples top 3. also, the other kind of fuck aqua
@@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime sorry its just, so fucking bad : c
It's my second favorite, after KH1.
On the note of shrinking characters down for worlds: Can we talk about how most of Ventus's plots in each world inherently focus on how small he is or how young everyone thinks he is?
I literally was just looking for this and here it’s posted.
"Blandm'n #2 who at least has a name and can hold his own in a fight, but can you name one other thing about him?"
He proposes to random girls he meets in the woods like he's Brock from Pokémon.
I’m curious where you’d rank the Realm of Darkness from the Secret Episode in this list since it has a lot of platforming and it’s not necessarily the most straightforward in navigating it at first. Capped off by my favorite Pureblood Heartless fight and that ending cutscene still fills me with glee to this day.
On the topic of Maleficent, keep in mind there are hundreds of worlds and she’s essentially searching for six needles in a massive haystack. Castle of Dreams and Radiant Garden we’re definitely two of her earliest conquests, but we know that worlds like Bambi, Dumbo, Pride Lands, and Land of Dragons were all lost during that ten year period. Maleficent would definitely have more duds than successes when hunting down the princesses.
Great video as always.
Honestly, given how much Destiny Islands is shown off in BBS, I get why they skipped Hawaii. But I don't get why they chose to move ahead with Lilo & Stitch without Lilo. They honestly should have gone with Treasure Planet for the space environment, along with Vaan and Penelo aboard the ship (and maybe Balthier and Fran). Hell, the keyblade gliders could have fit so well with Jim Hawkins hoverboard, and Vaan would have neither and be salty and be like "I'll have my own ship someday"
Ugh I'm so salty
The part about avoiding family on Christmas Eve 2010 while in 8th grade due to playing BBS thanks to not owning a PSP from September until December hit way too close to home. If I didn’t know any better, I’d assume I wrote this script.
That said, I was not strong enough to avoid spoilers.
Me at 2:30 AM: vibing
Regular Pat uploads: INTENSE VIBING
Japan takes every opportunity it can to retcon Lilo out of existence.
"I think I robbed a house when I saw Braig."
Yeah, I think that's a universal reaction.
I’d seen argument for a “V T A” play order and been ambivalent toward it compared to TVA, but that quibble over the Dwarfs’ suspicions has pushed me toward the former. Plus, we don’t see Terra’s possession directly from the end of Ven’s story, but we are told Vanitas’s relationship with Ven in Terra’s, which is a more interesting mystery than “two guys who almost look like Ansem SoD”. Plus, it’s not like we wouldn’t have to go through an entire other playthrough of Aqua to get a continuation of Venitas’s brief stint, so there’s little momentum to be broken up between the “V” and “A” routes regarding that bastard.
I think the order should be VAT because Terra being posted is only shown in his route and the secret episode which requires you to have completed the three main routes. Aqua’s route also has some intrigue with “is Terra falling to darkness” esc. stuff. The Ventus-Vanitas fight works better after Ventus’ route which just ends with the Ventus stuck on his station of awakening and Aqua shows what happened to his body
Capturing Cinderella probably meant getting through the Fairy Godmother. My bet is the entire villain council had to fight her all at once after spending years of prep just to barely get her distracted enough for one of them to grab Cinderella and get out of there. I'm also guessing they probably used to have double or more the members and the Fairy Godmother killed them all during the encounter. That's why Gaston wasn't in Beasts Castle.
That Braig fight is what finally got me to learn how to use the block button effectively. I'm embarrassed to admit that I played through the majority of the prior KH games barely using Block because I was just bad at it and too stubborn to learn how to do it better.
Well, he did say 2am. I can always just sleep when I'm dead
I loved your "Ansem wasn't really Ansem, but he still had to be stopped, right? 'Cause that would invalidate the whole last game." I always had an issue with that scene in KH2. It was almost like they were saying that their whole journey in KH1 was completely pointless, even though if they didn't defeat Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, the entire universe would be swallowed by darkness.
isn't that just one of those things where the characters are being dumb on purpose? the scene in question doesn't say ansem sod wasn't a threat or wasn't real, just that he wasn't the guy really named ansem.
best part of the magic mirror fight is when you knock it on its back and it struggles to get up. such a great "fuck it, let's do it" moment. also a huge fan of tiny Ventus annihilating Lucifer the cat.
Thanks for once again reminding me how much I like Terra. The more I think about it, the more I feel like he might be in my top....6? characters in the series. Calling Terra a big idiot dingus (for the wrong reasons, that is) should be a crime. Another classic vid!
I was considering him Booksmart but naïve
I've thought about it many times and from a gameplay and especially a story perspective it's inconceivable to me to recommend any order except Ventus --> Terra --> Aqua for a new player
I used to be a hard Terra, Ven and Aqua pusher but honestly for the first time through V,T,A is starting to make more sense to me.
Fun fact: As someone whose first KH game is BBS as my first KH game and with no knowledge on anything from the lore other than the very basic premise of "Sora goes to Disney worlds with Donald and Goofy and beat things up with a Keyblade after being separated from his friends", I ended up picking Ven first because the emphasis on him throughout the intro and tutorial convinced me to do so.
Thank you, thank you so much for not saying Terra is dumb. Too many TH-camrs say that, and it is not true. Terra is a sweet little idiot and I say that with I'm the best possible way. Quite possibly the best original character in the series, besides Lauriam and Ienzo. My defense for those two is that both of them actually faced death and the deaths of their loved ones, with Lauriam's sister being murdered by his so-called friend and Ienzo's parents dying. Kudos to SE for making one of the most lovable characters an orphan.
I don't mind Ienzo that much, it's neat to know how involved he was in KH3. Also making a character an orphan isn't that rare.
@@blastortoise I'm surprised they did it in Kingdom Hearts, where death and related items are often avoided.
@@mulduls I forgot we were talking specifically about KH lol, yeah I guess that makes it a little more interesting, Roxas will always be my favorite but Terra is easily my 3rd, Riku 2nd, Terra had a good story in BBS and his life ever since was him having to watch his body cause chaos for what would feel like forever.
Finally we start of the list with Terra being the fav part of said world
I never had a psp so I didn’t get to play BBS until playing the full collection of remasters right before KH3 came out. Somehow I got no spoilers in the many years that had passed and had a great time with it.
Based on nothing other than a gut feeling really, I played Ven first, then Terra, then ended with Aqua and that felt like the perfect way to play it to me
Minor correction; Brother's Grimm didn't author Snow White, they just documented it (and edited). It'd been an oral story for centuries before they wrote it down on paper, as were all the fairytales attributed to them.
I came for the world ranking, I stay for the Terra appreciation.
I've been waiting for this
-vanitas
(and a handful of persona characters)
“Slapping Cinderella’s ass, etc. etc.” lmfao!!!😂😂😂😂😁
"minnier than a war criminal's wife" you did not have to go so hard for Michael Mouse but I am so glad you did. He deserves it. He does NOT drink his respect women juice.
Why are you so soothing to listen too, I love your rambling, don't ever stop infodumping lore and gameplay perspectives of a game I don't even play. You are also the perfect type of humor, you make me exhale with a lil force with the quips.
The megazord unversed battle theme: "Unforgettable" is a bop, and it is very sad this theme didn't got into Melody of Memory
@MemeRuler yes, it is ;)
0 regret waiting up all night for this
Bless you for also being a Terra apologist. He’s honestly my favorite of the three both in the story and who to play as. He did nothing wrong and he’s absolutely not stupid.
I think I slightly better order is to play this as Ven, Terra, Aqua. Going with Terra first just eliminates so much tension that you’d get from playing as Ven first
Only the third time playing BBS did I notice Lady Trameine and her daughters screaming in agony after the bomb probably blew part of their bodies.
I love all the subtle jokes and writing ya throw in. Honestly ya got me to go back through the kingdom hearts series starting with BBS.
not very often someone shares their opinions about this franchise and the design choices within and i agree anywhere near 50% but dude i agree with you 100%
With Maleficent turning into a dragon at will, as opposed to being stabbed with the Keyblade of hearts, I actually headcanon that she's always had her dragon form, but her battle with Aqua and Phillip ended up severely wounding her to the point where she couldn't activate her dragon form anymore. At least not until Riku!Ansem unlocked it again ten years later.
Frankly, seeing Radiant Gardens get praised so much was worth watching through a long video.
bruh its raining, ive been binge watching your videos, my power goes out and you upload. lit bro
The worlds that are integrated into the plot are ALWAYS the best. That's why I like KH3's worlds so much. There is something in each of them that catches the Organization's interest to potentially help them further their goals. (Well, except the Carribean and Olympus but you get it)
The Carribean did have the box containing Davy Jones' heart. That caught the Org's attention even if they turned out to be mistaken about it.
Vexen thought Davy Jones' "Heart" was in the box, when really it was just his "heart".
Oh yo, that's me at the end! Thanks Pat! :D
Birth by sleep was ~*cheffs kiss*~ my favorite kh game. Honestly ties with 365/2 days, because of all of the emotions I felt. BBS is deceptively dark, and so interesting on its OWN!
BBS didn’t really require you to know the kh story, which I love. Aqua is my Sora.
Me: I should probably go to sleep
Regular Pat: No
bbs was unknowingly my first dip into kingdom hearts and i only remember the jellyfish fucker cause i was not a gamer and kept dying to him so bad i stopped playing the game and spent like . 3 years not knowing the end of Ven's story cause of it
15:16 why is the "cake" when Aqua slaps Cinderella's butt the single funniest thing I've ever seen in my life
Like, I watched this a week ago and it still makes me crack up out of nowhere
BBS is my favorite game after the numbered titles so I loved hearing your thoughts
New Pat vid dropped
LETS FUCKING GO!
Yow we appreciate your not so daily but quality filled videos. Even though KH has been dry since the KH3, you still find ways to make content out of it. Hope you get more subs
hint for perusing youtube content: if someone's talking about it every single day, they have nothing to say
Im on my second playthrough of this game and i love seeing Enchanted Dominion get the love it deserves! They captured the art style of the film so perfectly, especially the forshortening that gives those two castles their scope. Exploring the Forbidden Mountain sections are a literal DREAM and the musical theme is ominous, somber and dreamy.
I was like "imma find something to go to sleep to" nd boy sleep can wait
*Laughs in European and 9 in the morning while everyone else is awake at 2 a.m*
I really enjoyed these two videos on the worlds in BbS. I love all that you do. Thanks so much for the content you make for the KH community!
And I played BbS in the order of Aqua, Ventus, and Terra, and totally thought Terra had at least gone the Riku route of kidnapping princesses or something... only to play his PoV and realize he had done nothing wrong. So I sort of wish Nomura hadn't recommended playing him first, so more people would have had that experience. It was honestly a lot of fun.
(uhh I already commented this elsewhere but gotta feed that elusive algorithm)
Brilliant video, thoroughly enjoyed. Even though Cinderella is far from one of my favourite films, I love that world to play though. I love that Aqua asked to try on the slipper, and that they straight up exploded the step mother/sisters, giving them a far worse comeuppance than they ever had in the film (Anastasia actually gets a redemption arc in one of the sequels, so I guess that's out the window now that she is a bit incinerated). The only thing I really disliked in that world was Aqua doing an escort mission with a mouse to drag a giant key to Cinderella, and USES HER OWN GIANT MAGIC OPEN-EVERYTHING KEY to bludgeon enemies instead of just using it to open the door herself. Like come on Aqua you are smarter than this
Dude, you are a really talented writer
Thank you!
Yeah, it'd be nice to get a Lilo and Stitch world with Hawaii and to reunite Ven with Stitch.
Heh, I like that lapdog for the feds line.
I still wish we got to see Aqua try on the glass slipper.
During Ventus's visit in Radiant Garden, Even also made a comment about Ventus's heart being devoid of darkness. Given what we later learn ebout the researching of hearts being done in Ansem's lab, and layer Vexen's replica experiments, it's a small but insightful comment from him.
9:32 I mean a Sting Ray Swimming through the seas of space makes sense.
20:00 wasn’t Aurora’s heart released by Terra tho?
Do you like ven-ven, Pat-Pat?
Hey that kiss is not creepy In the movie it easily established they met each other And maybe something was forming But tragically the next time he see her. He thinks she has past this Mortal coil And gives her a farewell kiss.
Don't let the bastardozation people have done to the concept influence you
Fantastic video, love it love it love it! So much fun and I love BBS!
Hmm...I am very surprised there was no special mention for the RoD for Aqua's secret episode...but I do respect your choices, they make sense. Radiant Garden, a place I would like to visit and not live because of the infestation of things that could kill me.
I'm more surprised he didn't delve more into Destiny Islands.
Given how untalked DDD is on this wonderful channel, could you make a Rank of DDD's worlds? It would also be intresting because DDD's worlds are mostly "unique" (as in, they don't appear again), TT and TWTNW aside.
The D-Links with villain characters reminds me how badass it was to have villain/heartless CoM cards in your decks as supplement.
Yeah, the music is really nice here.
It's also nice seeing some character and plot relevant stuff through the worlds.
Instead of it just being a new plot, or a film one.
I'm so glad Stitch's Great Escape is closed. I can still smell his awful burp.
The Symphony Master has my favorite design of all the Unversed bosses in BBS
Don't ask why I'm up for this. It's 1:30 in the morning.
BBS gave us 3D Eyvind Earle cube bushes. Take notes, 0.2. This is what JOY is made of.
Great list, Never Land definitely was one of the most fun world to explore!
The fairies appear as chattable NPCs in Enchanted Dominion at some point during Ventus' visit in the grassy save room. Not sure if they're still there after the end of his story
I really hope that they do a proper Lilo & Stitch world in the future. As in, with Lilo. (No, not Yuna or Ai. Give us Lilo.)
BBS Maleficent: Gets bodies by Ven a day or two out from leaving his training ground, not anywhere near Master level yet, four years after getting reset to Level 1. KH1 Maleficent 10 years later: Gets bodied by Sora, who is two years younger than Ven was but has more in-the-field experience and has Donald and Goofy by his side. Union Cross Maleficent a week later from her time traveling perspective: Bodies Lauriam, who has had at least three years of experience, shortly after her dragon form got bodied twice. She has an interesting growth curve.
*Blandm'n Pop Quiz* He's a charmer with great pick-up lines. "We've met before. You said it yourself: _Once Upon a Dream_.'"
I think the dwarfs already enacted pickaxe justice on the Queen. (Minus the pickaxing and with the addition of a giant boulder, a fragile cliff ledge, and Along Came Zeus.) The journal suggests that she's already died offscreen.
Allow me to contribute to the Terra Defense Force by pointing out how Terra interacted with the villainous cast of BbS.
*Tremaines:* No interaction. He's safe from them (save for maybe their ire attracting the Symphony Master).
*Evil Queen:* Only follows along just to know where he can ask Snow White something. And if she doesn't have an answer, he can just leave her be and go tell the Queen what he really thinks of her "radiance".
*Hades:* Just participating in the Games as normal. And when Terra doesn't get as dark as Hades wants, he tries to force him with dark-Zack, though this ends up encouraging Terra more to not go dark.
*Dr. Jumba:* Yes, he does lead him into freeing 626, but Terra only does so because he sees another powerhouse in need of some friendship - and his interaction with 626 ends up shaping the rest of Deep Space's story.
*Hook:* What everyone points to to call Terra an idiot. Yeah, Hook claimed that his treasure chest held light that Peter Pan was out to steal, and Terra did follow along and get into a fight with Pan over it. BUT Terra did repay the favor by tricking Hook into giving him Tinker Bell. So in the end, who's the real idiot?
*Maleficent, Braig, Master Xehanort:* Okay, sure, these three duped Terra with barely any retribution at all, but they are major KH villains. Maleficent merely cornered Terra after he went to see if Aurora, "the light", was safe, and as a result planted seeds of doubt into his heart. Braig pressured Terra with his fake hostage situation AND being a tenacious attacker, forcing Terra to go all-out enough to tap into his darkness for power. As for Master Xehanort...I mean, come on, Terra only knew him as his senior, Master Eraqus's friend, and the one who entrusted Ven to Eraqus. Of course Terra would have that studently respect toward him, which would only be broken when Xehanort literally backstabs his friend right in front of Terra's eyes.
I've got no complaints with this entire ranking. I also shit a city's worth of bricks upon seeing the younger Organization's "Somebodies" and I still just get super giddy and excited like, "OH GOD, THEY EXISTED" LOL
I know I'm probably against the majority, because BBS is definitely my favorite of the KH games just because it was the one that really made me fall in. There was just so much more in them beyond the pretty colors, Disney characters and MASHING X TO WIN. I wish the trio showed more of their friendship to really drive it home, but it just floored me that none of them had happy endings. You'd think the game would be super repetitive with playing it 3(.5) times in the same worlds with the same music, but the fact that each visit would be so different and show you another side of the world entirely made each play just as exciting. I just...
AUGH, I could gush about this game all day, so these videos give me so much life lol
My first play order is IMO the best first play order due to it slowly unveiling the problems of Terra and how Aqua seems to have her issues with him by playing as Ven first, then Aqua, then having Terra be the big wrap-up spectacle which leads into the true ending boss.
I regularly see people say that Birth by Sleep and Star Wars Episode III have the same plot, and only watching this video did I realize that Terra's Radiant Garden visit is basically the first act of Episode III where Anakin and Obi Wan board Grievous' ship to rescue Chancellor Palpatine.
Pausing the video to praise your Vanitas voice.
I cannot wait for the KH3 version of this list!!!
Deep Space is my favorite world. I just love the expansion of the first part of the movie and how it feeds into Terra, Aqua, and Ven's story.
Am I the only person who went Ven, Aqua then Terra? That's my recommended order. The best part is when the Mirror fight for Aqua comes right the fuck out of nowhere.
Maybe Maleficent spent that time convincing/recruiting her inner circle of Disney Villains?
Maybe she scouted out which Worlds had the other Princesses of Heart?
Maybe it took her that long to come up with a plan because Disney villains tend to not set long-term goals beyond, “I’ll conquer/obtain [insert property/MacGuffin].”
Maybe she just wanted a vacation after taking over Radiant Garden?
I dunno. Do we really need this question to be answered?
You KNOW that Nomura will make another spinoff game about it.
So hyped to watch this! ❤️
*comes in several years later and whispers into a microphone* Snow White's prince's name is Florian
Fun fact: in terra's story you can get 2 different cutscenes depending in which order you clear the first 3 worlds.
Both are about terra saying he need to pay yen sid a visit.
Also fun fact: in english aqua calls vanitas "you freak!"...
In japanese...she says "You bastard!"
And Disney Town has different versions of the Million Dreams Award ceremony cutscene. Once you’ve reached the end of Disney Town with all three characters within your save files, you can trigger the versions where Terra, Ventus and Aqua respectively are presented with their custom ice creams.
@@jbcatz5 oh! I see you are man of culture as well!
I grant permission for you to like villain D-Links KEKW
thanks OJ
Lol this might be random but this video is not in the world ranking playlist i am not sure if you knew that or not! You’re the 🐐 Pat
Your comment at 5:01 about how the drama and intrigue w/ Terra being framed as a bad guy is basically void when playing in the suggested order is exactly why I've started thinking that the story should actually being played in the order Ventus --> Aqua --> Terra. In my eyes, this works best because you get the introduction of the essential main conflict with the X-Blade and Vanitas, which is more or less concluded with Aqua, all while getting this mystery build up of what the heck is going on with Terra. I also just think it makes what happens to Terra feel all the more dramatic and tragic.
12:27 As an SMT fan, this sounded so funny.
“Minnier than a war criminal’s wife” 💀
As soon as you mentioned the atmosphere of Enchanted Dominion I started asking myself "is Pat going to mention The Silent Forest" and then you did. It's my favorite field theme in the game (and up there for the entire series) and you nailed why.
Also, can I join you on the Terra Apologist Tour? This guy is out here trying his best while also being actively mislead by multiple antagonists. Sure, he's not completely blameless, but a good 90% of this shit isn't his fault. In my experience Terra generally seems to take the largest share of the fandom's blame for the events of BBS (rather unfairly), and I think that completely misses the point. Birth by Sleep is ultimately a tragedy, and part of what makes it so tragic is that all three of our protagonists are doing the best they can with the information available to them and it's still /not enough/. They're not perfect and they've made mistakes (particularly when it comes to communication), but they aren't to blame for the events of the finale or for the aftermath. I think it's a disservice both to Terra's character and to the game as a whole to claim otherwise and insist that things would've turned out fine if Terra had just done things differently.
That was a bit more of a rant than I anticipated when I started typing this comment but I stand by it.
I can't help but feel like the dramatic irony of Terra's storyline is lost to lot of people. Given the sheer fact that Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep is a prequel and many of the villains in the game are among the ones in Kingdom Hearts, it seems like it is intentionally supposed to be obvious that many of the people that Terra interacts with are evil; as you mention a part of the tragedy is that Terra is being a good person for not taking people at face value but is punished for doing so due to his lack of knowledge. Along with that, Terra has very little experience of the outside world and thus is understandably not the best regarding social skills.
@@anankos795 You're absolutely right. It's so easy to forget that just because WE know these people are clearly villains it doesn't mean Terra does. We've played the rest of the series and we're familiar with the Disney source material. That gives us a lot of information that Terra doesn't and couldn't ever have.
And I'm glad you mentioned the social skills thing because it's something I failed to say originally, but Terra seems to have spent the vast majority of his time growing up around a grand total of three people, all of whom he knew he could trust. That didn't adequately prepare him for meeting other people in the rest of the worlds. It didn't even come close. And it certainly didn't prepare him for meeting anyone who wasn't as trustworthy as the people he grew up with.
And honestly? All of this is why Terra's fall to darkness works so well for the story and his characterization. It was never going to come as a surprise given BBS's status as a prequel, so instead it's intentionally clear from the start where Terra's story is going. That's what makes his storyline so impactful, so when people miss that dramatic irony of course it's going to fall flat. And it's a shame that's lost on so many people who will just write it off as all Terra's fault instead.
Deep Space is honestly an out there world you wouldn't expect I guess the implication is the spaceship Stitch used crash landed in Radiant Garden and he got stuck there