Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep is Pretty Neat, Actually
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2019
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Terra is literally the epitome of “People only remember the bad things about you.” He legit just wanted to be a keyblade master.
Facts bro. One of the best characters in the series if not the best in my opinion.
@@thunderknight0095 While I do like Terra, Xion will always be my favourite.
@@jembozaba4864 understandable. They all have their shining points that makes them so memorable.
@@thunderknight0095 Roxas will always be my favorite male character and Namine will always be my favorite female and Aqua being a close second character.
@@randallmart92 Aqua used to be my favourite. Then KH3 came along, along with Re:Mind to skyrocket Xion to first place. The reunion scene is everything. And my favourite boss fight is Data Xion
03:44 “Did we really need to know who Xigbar was before he became a nobody? No we didn’t.”
*after Finishing Kingdom hearts 3 and watching the epilogue*
Xigbar: Ha! AS IF!!!
I think it was basically obvious that Xigbar was posed as the successor to Xemnas, and thus Xehanort by extension, since KH2, and really came to fruition in this game. I mean, he was #2 in the org since the beginning. It always felt like it was coming to pass that he'd be more important than he seemed. If you play Days and listen to him in the break room it actually comes off pretty clear that he's a *very* good schemer, and seems to know things that even Xemnas might not. Playing the long game.
@firetello Exactly. He always felt suspicious to me too so that reveal wasn’t “too” much of a surprise to me.
So many retcons...
Looking backward, there were many other moments in past games, which showed he has more to him than face value.
@theprecise Xigbar being Luxu wasn’t a retcon. If you rewatch previous cutscenes in all of the games, you pretty much get a totally different perspective on Xigbar’s character. Hell, the description of his character bio in KH2 states this: “he clearly has a greater goal in mind, but what could it be??”
a Birth By Sleep review that finally acknowledges Terra's mistakes but also praises his good deeds without memeing on his grave of "what a stupid character he is for blindly following Xehanort"
Ven was created by xenathort
@@introvertedcrow4011 What don't you mean Vanitas?
Everyone in organization 13: *cough cough*
Terra is actually my favourite character in bbs
Bruh terra is one of the best characters in the series. I wish he’d get more respect. He was a simple guy. Wanted to become stronger by becoming a master. He didn’t make the best choices and struggled but all he could do was keep moving forward regardless. Hell his character theme song is a clear representation of that. It’s one of the reasons why yoko shimoura (I hope I spelled that right) is one of my favorite composers. There’s more I could say but don’t have the time to.
One thing I absolute love about bbs story is how Ventus arc is a very much of subversion of the coming of age story. here let me explain, through out Ventus story we see him being frustrated over people treating him like a kid. He clearly hates it and wants prove to them that he's not just some kid who needs to be protected it's why he refuses to just go back home despite Aqua’s pleading because he wants to get stronger. It's a pretty good standard coming of age story but then it becomes incredible by the story's end game where it's revealed that Ventus's entire coming of age journey was orchestrated by the villains the entire time. Ventus's entire journey was created by Xehanort just so he could be strong enough to fight Vanitas and forge the X-blade. It's one of the most clever and respectful trope subversion I've seen in all of fiction and I love it.
And here I thought only the first game had great trope subversion. I never really thought of it this way before, thanks for pointing it out. Makes me wonder what else I've missed.
@@TheBlueLink3 yeah there a lot of interesting thing you can find Kingdom hearts series when you analyze it
I meen shit i think ventus is older than yen sid if he was around during the keyblade war lmao.
The best part is, technically Ventus is I think over a hundred years older than both Terra and Aqua.
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"One day, I will set this right."
After KH3, this line sent shivers down my spine.
Really? I feel that Terra was a weak part of KH3.
@domino 🌝
Garret Daniels fuckin same
when it came up in kh3,it felt great. when terra had literally no stake in the final of kh3 tho,i was just sad. seriously,kh3 story is just not good. it shuts off all the arcs nomatter if the conclusion is good or horrible
@LPFan completely disagreed. I thought the story of 3 was great!
"All this time ...... I've been staring into the dARKNESS"
BBS needed a bigger prologue just like kh1 and 2, this way we would see more of the trio together and believe more in their friendship. It would also give them more time to develop
I definitely agree! I would have loved to see the characters dynamics explored more before the big status quo change and they set out.
I agree but the PSP was very limited on that department, some content needed to be cut off lol
@John John Never said to make another BBS, just agreeing that it would have been nice to see those things in the original game. I'm sure if BBS got a manga, they would've gone more in depth.
That’s the one critique i’d agree on, they kinda the force awakened it and copied the dynamic but without enough proper context
Whip out the Command Deck and the whiskey is by far your best joke
one of my favorite things about the plot of BBS is how it gives a lot of Sora's relationships with some of the Disney characters and Final fantasy characters much more meaning now. For instance Ventus being friends with Zack gives Sora and clouds friendship that much more meaning because their relationship is in a way a reincarnation of Ventus and Zacks friendship.
And Mickey, Hercules, Lea, Isa, Minnie, etc.
The dynamic between the two isn't even remotely comparable, wtf?
@@laststrike4411 Ventus is the canonical precursor to Sora, Zack is the canonical precursor to Cloud. It’s not that difficult 💀
I love the way you give each of these stories their due analysis. You really show how, for as silly as these games can be, there is still a method to Nomura's madness. Given the dismissive attitude most KH reviews take towards the story, it's honestly really refreshing to see someone argue the flipside so articulately.
Honestly, I'll always love the gameplay of BbS, for as unbalanced as it might be. The flash, game-feel, and sheer variety of the KH combat are part of why I love it so much, and I do think there's at least a bit of strategy to filling up the command meter. It's fun to be deliberate about which commands you choose to get a certain Command Style, and experimenting with them gives the combat a lot of energy. It's not as nuanced and technical as KH2, but I don't think it's completely devoid of depth. It has its own appeal, I think.
Fantastic review.
Yeah, I always really enjoy the KH story so it’s honestly a refresher to see some positivity towards it.
BBS is probably the best use of Nomura's madness. Things are crazy, but they are 100% coherent. It really helps that his tendency to run fifteen plots at once is split up across three separate characters, all with equal campaigns. None of the major moments are rushed or done offscreen, as we've seen in other games.
You guys pretty much are making all good points, I don’t even need to add more.
As someone who just started binging these KH retrospectives, I can absolutely confirm that these deep dives genuinely have made me appreciate the stories of these games more after recently playing them all for the first time. It’s cool to see a reviewer that genuinely seems to like and appreciate these stories for what they are
@@Nyzer_
I think for the most part the story was sort of fine until DDD. Yeah it can get a little crazy, but it's easily understandable if you've played all the games.
DDD did some things good but it made the overall story way too rediculous. And it got even worse with the mobile games.
The stuff with the Masters, Box, Luxu and the Gaurdians was good but everything else like the time travel, pods, reincarnation and all the data bullshit made the story way too complicated. (Especially since it's all in a mobile game)
I just hope the next Saga stays focused and DOESN'T go off the rails. Nomura should clearly plan the story now and stop having important story content in seperate consoles and mobile games.
Terra's arc
Master Xehanort: K E Y B L A D E
Terra: Well you seem like a nice guy.
Master Xehanort: K E Y B L A D E
Terra: What do you mean you need my body?
*Terra gets possessed*
Terranort: D A R K N E S S
I hope they make him less of an idiot in the next saga.....
😂
Wait a minute. Was that a mother flipping Just A Pancake reference?
*ouchie ouch*
Ventus' arc
Ventus: Okay, I believe you
Lmao
Big plot error you made. Nomura confirmed Sora wielding the Keyblade had NOTHING to do with Ventus being within him. It was in fact due to his pure strength of heart and his promise to always look out for Riku
Still, we can’t say that it didn’t infuence Sora in any way.
The heart is what a person is to be, what a person’s essential traits given form. So what would you think would happen if your heart merged with another at an early age?
@@MatthewCobalt influenced traits but not the keyblade. Dont change the topic to something completely different. He literally said that Birth By Sleep changed the impact of the Keyblade with Sora from the first game because now he had it because of Ventus which is completely inaccurate and not fair to blame Birth by Sleep for that. I wasnt talking about the other stuff. Only the Keyblade
@@masterroxas
Dude, I agreed with you on your first comment.
I just added my own opinion on what other way Ventus' heart influenced Sora (besides the actual keyblade, which has been denied by the creator).
@@MatthewCobalt I see your point, but it's hard to say how influential Ventus' heart was on Sora's (if at all). Bare in mind, Sora's newborn heart reached out to Ventus' and offered to fill in the missing piece for him just out of sheer kindness, and we see that kindness has remained in him even as he grew older. Maybe we could say that Sora never lost that kindness because of Ventus, who has a similar personality to Sora, but we don't know that definitively.
i personally go with that version even tho nomura confirmed something completely diffrent. afterall,nomura also says completely diffrent stuff than can be logically concluded by playing the dang games themselves,so i dont think what he says is credible enough despite him literally being the writer xD i personally think it is a nonintrusive implication of bbs since if it was not the case,then sora got the power to wield keyblades from the kingdomkey since he was the only person nearby that was ready to fight for the light and not fear or succumb to the dark. if it was the case,then the keyblade would have gone to him because he was the only one who represented the light and was already able to wield keyblades at the same time. nothing changes.
but the entire thing has a sideeffect:the mysterious voice who was confirmed to be mickey by the ultimanias is suddenly ventus guiding him towards the right path and make sure he is ready to face further struggles. i much prefer that since it erases the question of how mickey was able to telepaticly talk to sora while that guy was currently in another realm entirely and why that way of communication is never brought up or expainned
Kingdom Hearts is perhaps the best popular example of letting plot control your writing and not characters...
Red Baroon
So..... RWBY?
james vanitas RWBY is improving. Volume 5 was the series at its worst in both writing and action, but Volume 7 was pretty sick.
@@turnerturnerturner sorry i have too disagree to an extent.
To a certain degree yes.
Daniel Tinsley kh vs ff to what extent? Volume 5 was a hot mess, volume 6 showed signs of improvement until the boring third act (even though the adam fight was cool,) and volume seven finally raised the stakes and made the show interesting again!
God, BBS's ending is so great. Playing as the Lingering Will, seeing Terranort use the Guardian for the first time, having all of these little moments play out to pave the way for the game in the series Nomura knows is the most beloved (KH1), it's all so good.
Kingdom Hearts Episode 1 : The Darkness Menace
Maybe you didnt get the memo, but the Prequels have been resurrected from the dead and the days of mocking them are over, that would worth well with your Original Star Wars fans buddies, but if you say that to the rest of the Fandom they would quick you out.
@@TheKeyser94 Dude , I don't know what you got outta of my tweet but it wasn't anything you were talking about , I was merely just making a joke title for Birth By Sleep , that is all .
Keyser94 chill man, I’m a prequel memer too, the dude just made a joke and it was pretty good
Star Wars Episode III:Revenge of the Lingering Will
Kingdom Hearts Episode IV: A New Heart ?
Finally someone who doesn't think Terra wasn't an idiot. Cannot judge people by their appearance and he honestly doesnt do much wrong without magical interference
"Doesn't think Terra wasn't an idiot." = "Thinks Terra was an idiot."
I dunno if that's what you were trying to say.
Yes don't judge by appearence but when a women is telling you to literally cut out someone's heart and put it into a box that's usually a sign their up to no good. Terra does'nt reject this until he get's to Snow White, and then he suddenly realizes the moral implications of that. There's that fight in Raidant garden that he really should've questioned, the fight with Braig where it seemed like he captured Xehanort. He never asked how exactly this happened and did'nt find it suspicious at all. Just him asking that question would go along way to make him not an idiot and could show Xehanort much better as a manipluator. I get the idea of what their going for, but the execution is NOT handled well in this game. I grew more fond of Terra in 0.2 despite only having a brief scene, that one scene did more to actually make me care about saving him than his story in this game did.
@@Cloud-dt6xb I thought it was clear with Aurora that he wasn't acting in his own power, that Maleficent was using his inner darkness to control him to do that. Otherwise, with Braig, that could be explained by Terra not thinking things through all of the way. He respects Master Xehanort, and wants to free him from his apparent captor. We as the audience know Xehanort = bad, but to Terra, he's a. Respected teacher that he still had much to learn from. He did fail the Mark of Mastery after all. It's just unfortunate that he just happened to choose the wrong one.
@@ajbXYZcool No no no Not Maleficent but that's also not great the evil queen from Snow white, she literally says go cut out Snow White's heart and he does'nt say no instantly until he actually he get's to her, then it clicks that hey maybe I should'nt be listening to some psycho who wants an innoncent girl's heart.. As for Xehanort would'nt you find it suspcious that a supposed keyblade master got beaten up by some thug from the street, I sure would and it would make Xehanort have to come up with some story as to how exactly Braig beat him. The fact that Terra does'nt question this is at all is an example of why people call him an idiot. Even as a kid Sora could tell who the bad guys were without trouble Terra has no excuse.
@@Cloud-dt6xb but he was never going to steal her heart though. He was playing along with her in order to not have to fight any unnecessary battles. When he went to leave from her telling him to do it he was like "but what if I...". He was concerned about being mind-controlled into doing it again. If he was actually trying to steal Snow White's heart then he wouldn't have just walked up and introduced himself. Concerning Xehanort, as soon as he found out about it his immediate reaction was to say that there's no way that it was true and then once he saw him actually locked up he kind of had to take the situation seriously until he had a reason to believe that it wasn't but Braig was using magical abilities so it's not entirely impossible for Xehanort to be caught off-guard.
For the people not realizing the importance of BBS: It is a numbered title game. It is Episode 0. It is the equivalent to a numbered title Final Fantasy game, stated by Nomura. It was originally being developed for PS2. Nomura halted development because he told the Osaka team to make RE: CoM. When they came back, they shifted development to PSP because they had no HD console experience (PS3).
Also, Aqua is the true MC of BBS. :)
i honestly wish they just made it for ps2 instead for psp regardless. they did not have to make it for ps3
@@lpfan4491 Square wasnt going to release a PS2 game in 2010, especially in the West. The market moved on from it. Also, PS3 wasnt backward compatible with PS2 games anymore. It just didnt make sense.
So union x is -1...?
@@ryankaue9397 Within the context of the collections, Birth by Sleep was moved to 0.1 so that X could be 0. Doesnt change the fact that the secret ending in BBS FM shows 0 for Birth by Sleep.
Funny enough... Kingdom Key is an anomaly. Sora only got it because Riku's heart had been weakened by the Darkness at the right momemt. He was basically at the right place to get it. In the end it becomes his Keyblade despite never really being given it.
kh3 ultimania has an interview in which nomura says that technically,,,, while sora was reaching for riku in the Darkness he touched what was left of his light,,,, and rikus light gave him the keyblade to protect himself, presumably? technically this means he was given it? but idk how this works ur gonna have 2 call nomura 4 this one
@@JohnJohn-hm1fiNomura needs to look up " death of the author "
He crams so much bullshit into these games, why not explain any of the important stuff *in the games*
Its like the video game equivalent of Harry Potter ffs
sometimes i flutter between birth by sleep and kh2 being my favorite. i know kh2 actually is objectively a better game, but birth by sleep is just.... so good..
Nothing is objective when it comes to fun bro! Its all fun and games (literally!)
@@jcoombs96 Nah, KH2 is objectively a masterpiece.
Kh2 is the better game, but bbs is more fun.
Bbs is more engaging for the story. It has an ominous dread you can feel peering around the corner and you just want to find out more!
Honestly, thank you for explaining Terra's story, I always felt the community is being unfair when it comes to Terra.
I still feel that this game could have been better if made for the PS3 or Vita. Both console and handheld could have given more content to the game over how small the game was limited to the psp.
BBS was originally being made for PS2.
@@rob19ny And PS2 and PSP games be the same
The didn’t because back then the Osaka team didn’t have any experience with HD consoles
At least final mix exists its the closet whe where gonna get to a ps2/ps3 version
...looks like I'm on the crazy train forever because bbs is my favorite kh game
All aboard!!! Terra is hands down best KH boi ever for me!
@@Zinervawyrm vanitas and aqua are best characters imo lol but terra is great
I think there are fair criticisms of the gameplay, but for sure the story is the best.
Eww
Indeed you are crazy. Everyone knows best KH game is Union X
My favorite KH game. Despite it's flaws, I can't help but adore this! Also, I adore Cinderella being in this! Sadly, the year this was released was the year her original voice actress, Ilene Woods, passed away.
Aqua's the only presumably of age hottie in the series, can't forgot about that bullet point.
Amusingly enough, her original render was going to include (exclude?) major sexy back; her entire upper back torso was completely bare, from nape to butt crack.
The devs were probably really thirsty to go all out on a sexy, adult, female character.
Larxene?
roddy baba correction, a sexy, adult character who they’re not obliged to put in the same black coat as her male compatriots.
Maleficent?
she doesnt want you
As polarizing as this game is. I was the most invested in Terra Aqua and Ventus out of anyone in the entire series. Especially in KH3
A controversial kh game indeed. This was definitely a major turning point for the series, and a lot of fans of what came before didnt like what came after - and not without reason. A lot more attention on convoluted plot bs from this point on, and while the strong emotional character stuff is still there, it more and more requires players to read between the lines to find it as the text itself puts more attention on structural plot business. The disney stuff becomes increasingly supurfluous while the final fantasy stuff receeds almost entirely from view. Gameplay focuses less and less on in the moment decisions and trade offs and loses a lot of it's tight, responsive feel.
Lots of valid complaints to be had, but in exchange for the flaws we get fun characters like xehanort and vanitas, sprawling, star-warsesque lore (i cannot express how good a fit star wars stuff would be for a kingdom hearts game, or how frustrating it is that disney's idiotic exclusivity deal with ea prevents the crossover from happening), and the series only playable female protagonist to date, outside of multiplayer misdions in days using larxene and xion, which really shouldnt count.
BBS, and its follow up 0.2, also gave us our first real taste of exploring the world of darkness itself, a compelling setting that I wish had gotten some game time in kh3.
In all, i really like bbs and the games that came after, but yeah, i can see where many really didnt.
Why do people want final fantasy shit so much in kingdom hearts, if you want FF why not gon play FF??????? Y’all always complaining about Disney shit when it’s a collaborative thing, Disney is fire & a good change of pace for the game, there’s a good mix of shit
@@chrisxwavy The original hook of the series was final fantasy / disney crossover. It's not weird for people who were sold on that hook to still want to see both disney and final fantasy elements represented.
@@Malisteen they still are
@@chrisxwavy eh, as the games have gone on, final fantasy stuff has been progressively de-emphasized to the point that it was all but entirely absent from the initial release of KH3, while disney stuff is still present but increasingly divorced from the main game plot. I don't blame the games for the latter, disney seems to be getting increasingly overprotective of their ip. Still a noticeable shift for the first few games regardless.
Not that it 'ruins' the games or anything. There's much bigger things to be worried about - the worst blight on this series so far is exploitative gacha monetization in the mobile games, and the biggest threat to future kh games (as with all squeenix properties) is nft scammery.
@@chrisxwavy well Leon (Squall), Sid, Yuffie, Aerith are tight cameos in the game, especially KH1. They learned something about Ansem reports, lived in Radient Garden, seek info about keyblade. I mean, no wonder those four are the only ones returned in dlc
U might wonder why Cloud and Sepi ain't returned. They aren't important, lol
I never owned a PSP, despite wanting to play this game since release. I only managed to play it just last December on the PS4 collection, and I gotta say, it really struck a chord with me. I loved everything about the game, even though it is very obviously flawed. I enjoyed the characters, despite them seeming to be total idiots at times. Their struggles felt very personal, and I could relate to them in a way. For me personally, it was worth waiting nearly a decade. Kinda fitting, considering Aqua Ven and Terra's situation, huh?
Your retrospective was good, reminded me of exactly why I love the game, and presented things fairly I feel. Thank you.
I'll say one thing about the mystery of the keyblade choosing their next user. BBS it unlocked the potential of them to use it. Terra's spell on Riku basically said if he's strong in heart, then the key will be there to guide his way.
"In your hand, take this Key. So long as you have the makings, then through this simple act of taking, its wielder you shall one day be. And you will find me, friend-no ocean will contain you then. No more borders around, or below, or above, so long as you champion the ones you love."
I don't think it ruins the keyblade because it is still actively choosing its master. But it truly gets out of hand in DDD with Axel
axel be like:"i will just create my own keyblade because i can!"
Skullof Rebellion I mean, what was the point in the end if sora can just get the keyblade without going through this ritual? People keep saying it was supposed to be Riku’s Keyblade but it went to sora instead because he had a strong heart, and a Riku got his own. So how does that work when it was never supposed to be Sora’s in the first place, but Riku ended up getting a new keyblade anyway? They’re not the same keyblade, so did he just create a new one because that one didn’t want him? How does that make any sense
@@BabyGirlTiny It makes sense, if not being a little convoluted. Riku would of gotten the key had he not given into darkness at the end of destiny islands, because of this, the key went to Sora at the time. Once Sora's heart proves stronger as Riku's falls deeper into darkness it becomes his permanently.
Riku is able to then control his darkness, and still use the light, he is able to make his own due to the fact he was destined to always have one anyways, along with the fact he knew how to use one due to prior experience. After all, keyblades are largely just the power of one's heart put into a weapon.
Sonic Adventure handled its cutscenes better? Not something you hear every day.
Huh, did he say that?
@@cliffturbo2146 No, he more or less said Sonic Adventure handled the same cutscene in different campaigns better because it altered them to fit the perspective.
Xehanort does look really evil, it doesn't really have much to do with him being an old man. He wears black, looks demonic, and has yellow eyes. So I can see how someone could look at him see our heroes trusting him and then think "They're dumb".
I think the fact that they don't realise he's evil could've tied more into your point that they don't have much outside world experience, if anything.
Also, in their point of view, they know that Eraqus trusts Xehanort.
That fact, by itself, already makes them think like this: "Well, if our Master trusts him and if he's our Master's childhood friend, then Master Xehanort is trustworthy"
Aside from that, look at Terra's, Ven's, Aqua's and Eraqus' clothes. Now look at Xehanort's clothes. From that we can see that those types of clothes are normal for them and they probably see people wearing similar clothing everyday (even if no such people are ever referenced. They gotta have parents or something, right?)
There is a Character from an Anime I love that looks waaaay more evil than Xehanort and here persona would fit that of a sinister bad ass villain. It might just be because the main Characters are adorable little kids which makes things scarier then when the main characters are bad asses but she terrifying. But the twist is that she is actually a full on good guy helping out the little heroes with informations, training and a new weapon. In the backstory she also saved one of the main Characters when that main Character still was a baby and she has taken in a pupil she found on street giving that kid a home and education. So all things considered she is a pretty nice Character. The funny thing is she never drops her sinister villain like persona. I love this combination of kindness and sadism. I have a bit of a fable of good guys with villain charisma.
many people roast the fact that xehanort just goes out and tells terra "eraqus does not know what he is talking about,darkness is where its at" and he instantly buys it despite having a bond similar to father and son with eraqus. however,he instantly is on board when eraqus then tells him that he is willing to give him a second chance and is terrified when he brought disgrace to everyone and was not able to control the darkness at the end of the the fight against braig. he still shares the same philosophy as eraqus,just not to the same degree of extremism and he disagrees in the way that he knows he is able to control the darkness and that he did actually do it,yet eraqus believes that that moment where it showed up alone is already a bigger sign of a possible problem even tho it is not.
what is interessting is that despite the secret reports revealing that xehanort suggested not giving terra the mark of mastery(as a way to set the events of the game in motion),the game never actively puts the blame for that event in particular on xehanort. that is because that was the first thought of eraqus anyways,just that he would have given terra the mark either way if he could justify it to himself,like he says himself. so xehanort just made what could have happened certain. i think bbs is written wrong in certain ways,but the things it did right are really well thought out.
Sofaris
Which Anime is she from?
To me, Birth by Sleep always struck me as the high-point in the series for how... "beautiful" it felt. It's not the most magical. It's probably not the best for most people. But I still find it captivatingly beautiful.
It doesn't have KH2's combat, but it's satisfying in an instant-reward kind of way.
It doesn't have as much Disney plot interaction as KH1, but it still has the worlds integrated well into the story.
It's debatable whether BbS or 385/2 have the more "emotional" ending, but I think that just shows how much impact both endings have.
The story pacing is steady (if a little bland) throughout the game, building towards a climactic finish that you can just FEEL coming as you play.
The characterization can be critiqued as being stiff, silly, or stupid, but I felt like it got the job done fairly well. You know what each character is about by the end of the game. What they did to reach their goals. How the heroes failed, and the villains (almost) succeeded. All of their plots intertwining and connected, coming together to bring about an incredibly strong finish.
Maybe it's just that I'm a sucker for tragedies, or at least endings where the protagonists have to make sacrifices to win. It feels like something more obtainable for me as a flawed person, something I can relate to moreso than a perfect victory. The ending's sheer success resonates with the other relative competency for the game to make it something like a very imperfect but treasured gem to me.
"did we need to know what xigbar was like before becoming a nobody? No"
*me having played KH3 and knowing who Xigbar trully is* oh really now?
I will always have a soft spot in my heart for BbS.
Terra’s always been my favorite because of the tragedy of what he went through. So it always makes me sad to see people calling him an idiot or the worst of the trio. I’m glad you gave him a fair shake.
Everytime I played bbs I remember, after reaching radiant garden, always taking one whole day to grind one of the characters just to keep up with the next few worlds.
Me, having never played a single Kingdom Hearts game: *nods sagely like I understand anything you're talking about or know any of the characters you name*
Honestly I've played all the games, watched way too many videos about them and their story and also read the wiki a lot over the years and I still don't feel like I fully get it.
I get it more than someone who has only played the three main games but the story and everything is still a lot.
up until the first riku fight in hollow bastion, sora was only able to weild the keyblade because of ventus. however, when he called the keyblade back with the whole "my friends are my power" speech, he gave himself the ability to use the keyblade without the help of ventus.
I really admire that you took a more positive side of this game. Especially after the others came down hard on it on the Unversed Cast
*meanwhile at Osaka team hq* "hey remember how boss fights in kh2 were predictable fair and insane?" "Yea i do" "yea fuck that shit lets make the player eat shit"
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Put Peter Pan in his place!
This is basically the first KH thing I've seen in any format since i beat KH3 a few days after its release. It brought back such a strong surge of emotions in me like 'pow'. My feelings on the series as a whole are so conflicted but I dare anyone to deny that this franchise has more heart than almost any other and can evoke emotion like no other.
10:40 l mean, to add further to Xehanorts case, he technically didn't ATTACK Eraqus, he was defending himself. Eraqus was the aggressor, if he didn't tried to strike him, they never would've came to blows in the first place.
Even the intro sequence of KH3 makes a big deal of showcasing this before any other event in the series.
It's 2 AM where I live. Well guess I will have to stay up until 3.
I'm really happy to hear a positive word put toward Sonic Adventure's storytelling! The game may have its awkward aspects but the techniques used in its storytelling in my opinion are without precedent. It honestly seems like what you're seeing is the characters' memories as opposed to what's actually happening. A subtle detail I noticed is that though Sonic and Tails' stories end at the same point, Sonic goes through to the Master Emerald shrine through the previously locked door, when you return there as Tails the door stays closed since Tails never remembered it being open. I wish I could see a new game tackle similar themes, maybe set up a mystery where every character sees the world a different way, since they only saw certain details happen and not others. I dunno, I love the idea and would kill to see it more often...
i honestly find the story of sonic adventure to be pretty bad,but i can see the theoretical appeal of a story that basicly places each character into their own version of the same world. i hope someone somewhere eventually goes through with it and makes it a central theme of a game instead of being a sideeffect of confused writing and scripting(i honestly dont think that with the open but still closed door was really intended. i just assume they forgot that it was supposed to be open)
@@lpfan4491 Eh, there's a lot of stuff about Sonic Adventure that is left up to interpretation, but that's what I like about it. Its nowhere near as on the nose as Sonic Heroes or onwards where you can't really read anything into it except for "good guys be good, bad guys be bad"? I mean look at Chaos, is he an evil beast created only to destroy or a misunderstood guardian? Can you really say that Infinite from Forces has anywhere near that level of depth?
he is a guardian that was so pissed at some people hurting a few chao lightly and trying to steal the emeralds that he wanted to kill everyone,including the chao he wanted to protect. seriously,that is just dumb. and i dont even think he did anything horrible except killing the echidnas who were asses(and a genocial tribe if the backstorydetails the game gave us are accurate) anyways since tikal instantly sealed him.
i dont even understand how there is even a miral of him in lost world when he appeareantly never did any objective wrong before destorying station square. the miral could be from a time pre-backstory,but then people would know about his existance and not just rush the emeralds. actually,you are right. there is a lot to look into in sa1,even if it is negative xD
Very true the Land of Departure was an unhealthy place to grow up in. The trio had limited contact with other people, so naturally they gravitate towards each other, and have a blind faith in Eraqus’s absolute trust in the goodness of light and badness of darkness. When Terra loses faith, Xehanort is easily able to fill the void and tempt him into darkness. The four years Ventus spends at the Land of Departure are all he knows, so he bases his ambitions on those of Terra and Aqua. Once he’s free of this static environment Ventus is at a loss for what to do outside of do-gooding and embracing a dream as a Keyblade Master, eventually settling on making friends because he doesn’t have the capacity for independence. Aqua’s too busy cleaning up and chasing after Terra and Ventus to be introspective unlike the others, out of her element where she was pretty much the honour student at the Land of Departure.
You just earned my respect by liking the Star Wars prequels
I thought I was the only one
I liked them too. Granted, I never actually watched the original movies though lol.....
Is that a sin??? 😥
DetectiveBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofShiningJUSTICE Probably
DetectiveBobbyFulbrightTheSpiritofShiningJUSTICE You definitely should see them; they’re classics
Your Conscience well I’m in a minority here because I don’t like Star Wars at all
MCU Shue Well everyone has their own tastes
I'm not a fan of BBS but for not the normal reasons. Almost all the superboss are a dodge-spam-fest; "dodge and surge until you win" IF you don't get hit. I also don't want to play the same minigame 2/4/8 times normally and the same again in the Mirage Arena per character of which there are 3. That's like 4/8/16 of the same minigame X 3 characters. This also means you must beat each superboss 3 times.
Kingdom Hearts: When the writer himself doesn't know what happens next _as_ he writes it.
This is without question my favorite Kingdom Hearts game.
Gosh, i recently stumbled upon your Channel, keep up the great content, it's rare seeing someone upload high quality and hour long reviews constantly, and I look forward to your next kh retrospectives, mad thumbs up
14:25 my thoughts on Sora's ability was that he was a conditional wielder, that condition being that if anything happened to Riku (like succumbing to darkness) that he would step up to help him back on the right track ,thus gaining provisional Keyblade authority. This is what aqua said when she met Riku and Sora on Destiny Islands.
Aqua got screwed over hard. She still the best female protagonist in kh franchise.
Yeah, the only female character that got at least a little little little bit development
Wel actually... mmh... nope, nothing to argue here, youre totally right.
When I first played Kingdom Hearts 1, I thought, that Kairi could be an interesting character, up to the point, when Destiny Islands gets destroyed.
After that - helpless princess.
Kingdom Hearts: No female heroes allowed.
@@Hallkardia I can still forgive this for KH1. Maybe even a tiny bit for KH2, considering that Kairi became somewhat of a helper in the end... but KH3... sigh. I'm hoping the DLC's will bring something for Kairi but for now she is quiet dissapointing
@@Hallkardia That's literally wrong though.
BBS is by far my favorite KH game. thx for this great video.
my most played (possibly because it was on the PSP) and most favorite KH game, it’s not the best, but it’s still my favorite nonetheless
Same. It’s right up there with KH3 and KH2 for me.
My first Kingdom Hearts Game, a lot of it was cheesy, silly, and maybe even lack luster. (also why can't they just talk and stop chasing each other?! children?!) But it had so much heart I fell in love with it!
These have been great retrospectives btw! You define and explain what feelings this series brings with real in text reference thats more than a lot would do
I'm among those who like this game. I think it does a good enough job of setting up Xehanort as a series villain and the story & combat was fun, too
Same
i personally see the gameplay as the worst in the series,story only mediocre and xehanort a bit eh. i still like the game because it makes it really work. everything that does actually work is pretty amazing(like how it actively makes you feel for certain characters and redefines right and wrong in the context of the series.)
Ah... back in the day, I had imported Final Mix II from Japan, saw the secret ending after beating it on Critical and thought it was KH III. How wrong I was.
Those were the days.
It's...horrifyingly insidious how Xehanort manipulates Terra during his journey.
1: The first world he went to just happened to be where Maleficent, someone secretly collaborating with Xehanort, resides. When he opens the barrier to Aurora's room, Maleficent makes her intent clear before hypnotizing Terra into (seemingly) removing Aurora's heart. First thing he sees when he comes to is her heart in Maleficent's hands - what do you think he feels? Guilt. He doesn't get to see Aurora regain her heart (thanks to Ven and the good fairies) or her consciousness (thanks to Aqua and Prince Phillip). He's left with a regret that his darkness caused this.
2: As you said, learning that Eraqus sent Aqua to keep an eye on him made him get defensive, feeling like neither of them trust him to handle himself, and making him storm off. And while he was skeptical about Braig's claims of capturing Xehanort, he felt he had to make sure. What follows is an initially unfair situation - Braig threatens that Xehanort will get blown up if Terra approaches, giving him free reign to pepper him with magic arrows. This gets under his skin, so when he's given the okay by Xehanort to approach Braig and beat him up, he instinctively cuts loose, firing his first Dark Volley at the gunner. After that, he realized he had just succumbed to his darker side and worries that he had already let his master down. At this low point, Xehanort lifts his spirits by telling him that light and darkness are both best when in balance*, even (unofficially) dubbing him "Master Terra". With that bandage applied, Terra is now a little more used to wielding his darkness, if only to serve a better cause.
3: With Ven set to grill Eraqus for answers about what the x-blade is, Terra is sent to go save his friend. Eraqus is certainly a powerful opponent - so much so, that Terra is practically forced to channel more darkness just to match him. However, he stops attacking when Eraqus does, and the two start to reconcile. This doesn't gel with Xehanort's plans for Terra, so he takes another approach: _break Terra's heart as brutally as possible._ Cutting Eraqus down**, demolishing the Land of Departure, and then letting Terra reunite with Aqua and Ven at the Keyblade Graveyard, only to cut him off from them just as quickly - all of this to force Terra into a dire moment of desperation, enough to "let [his] whole heart blacken with anger" if it means a chance to stop Xehanort. And that is when Xehanort "truly won" - making Terra vulnerable enough for Xehanort to inject his own heart and soul into his body.
...Of course, his Plan A was hindered not only by Aqua and Ven breaking the new x-blade, but because Terra's soul ended up in his discarded armor and wore Terra-Xehanort down. But that's fine - he can still use Terra's body (and captive heart) for Plans B and C...
* One interesting thing about Xehanort's dialogue in BBS is that he tells VERY few lies. He really does want the World's light and darkness to be balanced - he just doesn't say what he'd do to ensure that they are.
** Part of me feels like Xehanort felt he had to do this also to ensure that he himself has no more attachment to this World.
I love you videos. You have great style. Great narration. And analysis. Not only that, you use great comparisons and analogies that really drive the points home or give pleasant surprises. Thank you for everything. Subscriber for life.
14:00 actually Ventus is the reason Sora can DUAL WEILD not wield in general
Nice little surprise for e3 nicely done kingk
I really liked this retrospective, you gave us your thoughts on a game like you said is so back and forth on whether people like it or hate it. I'm in the middle and this video makes me want to replay it and see what I think of it now
always love when you release a retrospect and enjoy the wordplay and phrasing.
It's hard to appreciate just how crazy those secret endings were when we had no idea if the series would continue and what this stuff meant.
Like, how would someone going in blind nowadays react to "Another Side, Another Story"? Knowing KH has 14 games now?
Kingdom hearts bbs was my childhood game and the first game i played in the series thanks to my father who accidentally bought the game. I freaking love the series so much it was the best accident happened to me.
I honestly love this game so much, and I'm excited to see what you have to say about it
I love this series just overall. 😁
Thank you for this so much. I absolutely believe that BbS is my favorite in the series and I appreciate your opinion on it wholeheartedly.
Thanks so much for making this. It means a lot to me when you review any kingdom hearts game
As far as story goes, I think this one goes near the top. The three characters are put through a ton and knowing that it doesn’t work out makes the struggle that much harder. I really struggled with the Command Deck gameplay, though. I don’t think a game has ever kicked my ass the way this game has, that includes Dark Souls. The amount of rage that I felt from being bad at this game was unparalleled by anything I’ve ever experienced in a game. It undercut the ending of the game when I finally beat the Terra part and was crying tears of joy from finally vanquishing the final boss, which is truly the hardest boss I’ve ever fought in any video game I’ve ever played. I think it’s important to know that my opinion is subjective. Other people may not appreciate it because other people probably got the hang of the gameplay better than I. I have not experienced rage in a video game quite like I did in this game and it loses a lot of points from me for that. I thought that since this game takes place first, it should be played first. After playing the rest of the series, I understand that it should absolutely be played after the secret ending of 2 when you’ve gotten used to the standard combat. Then you can appreciate the intricacies of shotlocks and the command deck. I’ll have to revisit it because I want to love this game the way I love Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and 3 but as it stands, the story is the only part of it that I like. Still, I’m a pretty big fan of Kingdom Hearts. I didn’t like the gameplay, but I love the heart the game has. That’s what I love about Kingdom Hearts games. The story may be nonsensical if you didn’t play Kingdom Hearts 2.6 Re:Birth By 358/2 Dream Drop Memories Final Mix, but goddamn if the game doesn’t always wear its heart on its sleeve. Goddamn if KH2 isn’t a masterpiece
Awesome vid man, I gotta say I agree with pretty much everything, especially the analysis on each of their stories... THANK YOU for making a case for Terra, I've never really agreed with the merciless hate he gets. I'll always be very mixed on this game, but to be honest I tend to just keep what I like about it over what I dont. I do think the game overall was kinda hurt by being relegated to the PSP, it limited and changed the scale of what they could do with a game where you follow 3 character stories as separate campaigns, had it stayed a PS2 game I think would've resulted in a much stronger, or at least consistent quality-wise, game. But alas, this is what we have, and I honestly think its pretty strong all things considered, especially from a narrative standpoint, BBS has grown on me over the years despite how mixed it is for me and the fanbase in general.
I love how the subtitles keep getting longer and weirder it’s great I love this series
There are certain Deck Commands you can use like Combo Modifiers, in the sense that they deploy fast enough that you can immediately continue the combo, like Quick Blitz, Sliding (and Fire) Dash, Fire and Aero (and maybe Aerora and Aeroga, idk). Only very recently replayed this so yeah this was fresh in my memory
I feel like it's absolutely necessary to point out that darkness doesn't necessarily equal evil. Darkness comes from negative emotions. Fear, anger, feeling inferior... it's only once you let yourself become completely consumed by those emotions that darkness takes you down that slippery slope to evil.
Dan thanks for uploading the same night as Chugga’s new LP starting. Now I have to decide which great vidya-based channel to fall asleep to tonight.
Love you.
Oh Look it's Xehanort the Nicest man in the world he could never Harm anyone
He's just a misunderstood guy
@@PoggoMcDawggo That's bulls*yay*t
I honestly dont really get the joke.
@@sofaris576 The joke is how KH3 made xehanort to not be the bad guy at all he was just misguided in his attempts to defeat the darkness.
@@PoggoMcDawggo But KH3 did not made Xehanort not a bad guy. After Sora Donald and Goofy defeated he said in the process of restarting the universe he planed on killing everybody. Just because a bad guy has a motive it does not make them not a bad guy and I did not had the felling at all that KH3 tried to make him look like he is not a bad guy. His portrayal in KH 3 is not that of a misguided good guy but that of a genocidal mad man with a god complex. He had a reason fore trying to kill everybody. What of it? I dont think any of the Characters besides Eraques even gave a shit. At least they did not looked like they did.
tbh i personally found the repetition of most of the cutscenes to be pretty effective. most of the repeated cutscenes take completely different meaning and context depending on who's story perspective they come from - the radiant garden falling-out cutscene is different on all three watches because you have new context every time. from terra's perspective, you understand terra's frustration with eraqus and aqua's apparent lack of faith; then from ventus' pov, who really knows so much less of what's going on, you understand how shocking it is for him to suddenly see aqua and terra arguing after all of ven's naive and simplistic beliefs about their friendship; then from aqua's perspective, you watch with an understanding of WHY she was overly hash, because she's made by eraqus to feel like she, as the master and the star pupil, is bearing the weight/responsibility of keeping both of them safe which causes her to go about it the wrong way and try to interact with them as a stern master instead of as their friend and equal
incidentally i'm one of those people who loves bbs lmao it's my fav kh game. official bbs apologist
I enjoyed birth by sleep myself, though had to play it on the PS4 many years later. I felt bad for what happened to the three here, yet there Fates won't be in darkness for very long.
Dream drop distance.......oh boy, your gonna have quite a lot to go through on that one KingK.
Birth by sleep was the second kingdom hearts game I played, first one I owned and I enjoyed it. I’ve been waiting for this retrospective for awhile so hell ya
I really like the addition of the Command Deck as "the gameplay system for the spin-offs".
These videos are great. The analysis is always interesting and this has proved to be an excellent way to learn about the sentiment and context of each games reception by the community.
I'm make my way through the franchise for the first time and I'd like to also thank you for avoiding the trap of assuming everyone watching these videos is doing so only after having played every game. I have watched too many individual kh game retrospectives that felt like they went out of their way to spoil what the characters in that game did in KH3. You've kept it perfectly vague by comparison and Im Very thankful for that.
When I played BBS for the first time, Aqua's was my favourite voice. Had no idea people didn't like it.
This was amazing. I'm already ready for the next KH retrospective!
Just beat all the routes so I can finally allow myself to watch this video. Lowkey your videos give me another reason to finish these games.
Another excellent kh video! I really love when these come out keep up the great work!
Yay your finally doing another kingdom hearts game. I hope you can finish them all up now.
Before, I used to think that Birth By Sleep is up there with KH2 as a great game. But now, after comparing it to past KH games + getting knowledgeable about game design from numerous games, I found BBB as flawed half baked potential. I used to think that the story is the best in the series, but after thinking about everything overall (plus watching a specific video), the story feels undeveloped, especially with the main trio whose friendship feels unbelievable and rushed. That's what I think. Not a bad game, but looking back at it now, it could have been something greater.
Yeah, I can understand why you’d think that way.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE Terra and Aqua are especially painful to watch. They've got SO MUCH POTENTIAL and yet they only get to fulfill a fraction of it. They needed more screentime and less timeline restrictions.
I love the way you put things. Your analyses are well thought out and I've thoroughly enjoyed each one. 🤘
Thank you for writing this review! It's like you are saying what's in my heart. I agree with everything you said. I'm so glad to finally hear someone's take that matches my own.
I played this game for the first time right before KH3 came out. It took me forever to understand the combat, but the feels hit me like a truck, and I'm really glad I played it before KH3 because WOW THE PAIN.
Loved this game as a kid. It became one of my favorite in the series
oh I LOVVEEE the way you interpreted and explained the BBS trio, it makes me adore this video already even though I'm only 8 minutes in
"Did we really need to know who Xigbar was before he was a nobody? No we didn't."
Oh, you sweet summer child.
Honestly i feel like the game would feel 100 times better if we had the ability to stagger bosses.
I actually enjoyed my BBS playthrough a decent amount until i got to the lingerwill fight. After that fight i just had such a sour taste in my mouth that any sort of fun i was having before was completely overshadowed by the frustration i experienced in that fight.
I’ve been thinking about which among these series of games is truly my favorite, and honestly, this is a very close second. My favorite personally being Kingdom Hearts III.
Two notable casualties of the limited hardware are the NPCs and character models for the trio when there are flashbacks.
There’s a notable lack of NPCs outside of story required and Disney characters. Normally the lack of civilians makes sense in the worlds, but in Terra’s scenario both Castle of Dreams and the Coliseum draw attention to non-existent crowds.
The game begins four years prior to the main campaign, but none of the character models for Terra, Aqua, Ventus, Eraqus or Master Xehanort are adjusted to be four younger. It’s fine for Eraqus and Xehanort, as they’re already pretty old. However during the main campaign the main trio are teenagers or bordering on twenty, and unless the Land of Departure somehow slows the ageing process Terra and Aqua were very well physically developed in their teens.
Even though this series isn't for me anymore, i really enjoy your seeing passion for it. Aside from the obnoxious and slightly painful audio spike at 13:28, this was a very good video.
Well I usually indulge in your content because it's really interesting to hear the opinion of someone who is much younger than me tell his verbose and well structured opinion (credit where it's due) about games I love. This game in the other hand is a lot more of your generation than it was mine. Unlike many other games you usually cover, you were old enough and sawy enough to see this one release so it's interesting in that way. Great content, keep up the good work.
BBS was my fave Kingdom Hearts since it came out. Glad to see that it getting some love
probably my favorite trio, i just love all three of them to bits. and thank you for the terra defense, bc he didn't really do anything different from ven and aqua- essentially trusting and helping the first person they meet when entering a world. terra just got unlucky. in fact i never really understood the whole narrative that he has darkness inside of him, since he never came across to me as a twisted person. he always tried to do the right thing. (unless it's like everyone has darkness inside of them, but then why would that set terra apart?)
and honestly i love bbs gameplay the most, the control the card system gives you makes it so much fun.