I dont know why they even do these builds, there is exactly two Mac users subscribed to this channel. I get Anthony is an Apple fan, but screw that tubby. They milked the heck out of these videos, not a single one of them was great, and this one was just terrible.
@@jon9947 they do a great many things that don't make sense in the traditional way. Thats not what the channel is about, if you've seen any of the multi user systems, hand rolled servers and infrastructure, custom engineering, custom water-cooling and whatever else I've missed. This is not mkbhd, no offense to Marques.
Even so, they are developing a music composition benchmark, so they acknowledge they have a significant audience from that market which is known to favour Mac. ie. Your assertion that there are only 2 is obviously a flat out pile of BS.
@Zyrnen Most small businesses don't know about SEO. They need a tool to make website and can't bother to learn Wordpress. And 99.99% of the small businesses can't do SEO themselves
Just drop 50 effects on 50 channels in ableton and see how low you can set the latency(samples) without sound breaking up. *(at a given sample rate obv.)
Figuring out what to include in a music production benchmark is tough though. There are so many potential bottlenecks and different productions have very different needs. Heck, even if it's just mixing from a finished multi-track recording I know that depending on the workflow of the mixing engineer you can end up with situations where the performance is tied either to the single-threaded or the multi-threaded performance of the system. Or sits somewhere in between.
Do you even know what was going on in 2020? Have a big company like Linus first in a year which was in the claws of a global pandemic and then come back here again and complain.
Naaaa..More like, Linus: Don't build a Hackintosh guys My wallet: why? Linus: Because the Hack Pro took us a whole year to rendering this videos that's why we're a year late. My wallet: OK
Linus seems to be leaning more and more into that sleek Canadian hobo look. I like it. Makes me feel like he could survive a night or two in the far north in winter, like he'd let you sit by his fire and share his can of beans while he told his tale of the limitations of a Hackintosh.
@@pgknippel it's not just you, I've watched him since like 2014 when I was 5 (maybe that's why I'm a massive tech nerd lol and also rarely missed his videos like I missed about 3 vids cuz of timezone and stuff)
Oh yes, *please* start including music production test suite into CPU tests, it's very much relevant to a lot of people, almost always completely disregarded in almost all testing, but also completely different to almost any other workload, so it's hard to extrapolate meaningful conclusions from other test results.
@@redwillrise Not completely different but a computer that is great for video editing might not be as great for music production so often the results aren't as meaningful as we hope they are. I just wish they included more of these tests as we often see a large variety of gaming/video editing tests but if you want to see tests for audio work you usually have to go to a channel that specializes in that.
@@tomasgulbinas8304 I mean yeah audio work requires different I/O for sure, but concerning performance, a professional video editing rig should absolutely slaughter any audio tasks thrown at it. I mean all you need is a reasonably powerful CPU + enough RAM and you're set, you don't even need fancy GPUs. Part of the home studio explosion is due to the fact that almost any device is powerful enough to do even some pretty advanced audio editing nowadays
@@redwillrise not necessarily. Audio production can be challenging in systems with high latency. Low latency means all the audio is rendered in near real time. If there is lag - there will be glitches in the audio and delays when playing midi instruments restricting expression. latency can be created by poor quality peripherals, or 1st gen ryzen for example, due to latency introduced by communicating between the ccxs, even though there's plenty of cpu grunt there. If you're getting high latency, its sometimes quite tricky to figure out where its coming from, or if its hardware related at all (some plugins create a lot of latency too)
This video seemed like it was supposed to be really high production, but ended up being roughly made because of the numerous issues and just said “Screw it. Let’s just make a quick video and get this over with.”
It's either this, or spend thousands of dollars more with tweaking, and troubleshooting. The other videos in the series are great. It's sad to see a like/ dislike ratio like this because of people whining about quality (not referring to you specifically, you just stated a fact), when they have to watch their video budget in order to keep producing better and better videos.
I think virtualization is the best route. Like what snazzy labs did. He used linux and virtualized MacOS, passed through the hardware, and got as good as if not better performance for what seemed much easier than this
Literally did not even introduce the sponsor. They always do the most shocking ads most casually. Anyone else remember the random chick playing switch in the background for literally no reason other than dbrand sponsoring it and no one ever addressing that lol
I'll never get the point of those things anyway. "Keep your wallet bulge down by buying this small wallet that barely fits 1/3rd of the stuff you have in your current one!" Gee, thanks, I guess?
Just like the mongoloid below referencing Cyberpunk, you do understand while yes they had time to finish it had they worked on it exclusively, they had other several more important projects that benefit their business and channel both? It's just one of their many entertaining videos, it's not like it's crucial to your life or anyone else's so get off your high horse.
@@flandrble WRW Is fucking frustrating because they made such stupid mistakes. Duh it's not going to help room temps when you don't insulate the copper pipes! And why did you buy the same metal reservoir TWICE, Linus? A plastic tub would have been better at that point!
@@malek6129 I'm running Catalina on my new rig for music production. It will last me 3-5 years like all my other hacks.. I do agree though, I wouldn't build a new hackintosh If your worried about updates .
@@Grant82gc I agree. Im running Catalina on my rig for music production as well, and just bought an m1 mac pro rather than upgrading my current setup for the sake of updates.
Too young to remember the PPC to Intel transition? PPC was supported for exactly 5 years after the last PPC Mac was sold. They are still selling Intel Macs now and will be until they transition the Mac Pro, which will take them a year or two. So we‘re getting still another 5-7 years of Intel support. And since M1 isn‘t quite fully supported yet, Hackintoshing is still the better choice until all the third party apps and plugins are updated. Judging by Catalina compatibility it‘ll take a while - I‘m still on Mojave, because there are still a couple of plugins I can‘t replace.
Why not just render a video without any... well... video? Wouldn't that, essentially, have the same effect? Or are we talking about performance in regards to actually working on a project within a DAW? Regardless of what the answer is, just remember that, when it comes to DAWs (and, pretty much, all other computer software), performance is useless without stability. Remember that. :)
Thank you for not forgetting us music producers. Way back in the day, Apple used to hold us in the same regard as visual guys, all part of one "creative professional" umbrella. But these days, they don't get as much Wow! factor at launches from music as they do from video, so we've been basically forgotten about, which is strange seeing as video almost always requires audio to function, whereas audio does not require video.
So Sooo glad Linus is finally addressing music production in bench’s. Thank you 🙏 very much. A great tech channel who’s going to include us in bench’s and bring attention to our needs ..
Was kind of hoping for this to be longer. Like I would have loved a section about making, price getting Mac OS running on it, drivers, productivity, even gaming etc. This was just the tip of the tip of the ice berg. But happy 2021.
Typical LTT really - if its not gamez its not getting airtime. I mean its not even running BigSur so no idea why iMessage was such a problem. My take - if you're a heavy macos user buy an apple silicon mac, if you want to run the odd mac app (like fusion360) run macos in a vm on regular hardware and don't spend thousands failing to prove a point about hackintosh.
I have been running hackintosh since 2013 and literally, if you follow the advice from blokes from tonymacx86 forum and /r/hackintosh you can get everything work as well, or even better than on MacOS. Back in 2013 I've spent about 1k on my hackintosh and I had better performance out of it than my colleges mac pro for audio and video production and I also played steam games on it for years with no issues. They are really, really good option but they do take patience and time to build and set up, be prepared to run into issues after having a finished build for a bit as well.
I'm so glad we're getting some music production content.. I'm a PC enthusiast and music producer of 13 years so that's going to be exciting to see!! Btw.. my current rig is a dual boot OSX and Win10 machine.. Specs: 10900k I9 - Overclocked to 5.1ghz all core. 5700xt Powercolor Liquid Devil - Overclocked Z490 Gigabyte Vision D creators motherboard 32gb Patriot Viper Ram - 4000Mhz with tight timings 2x Samsung 1TB 970 EVO Plus Drives 2x Samsung 960 sata hard drives 850w Seasonic Prime Platinum PSU EK XE 360 tripple flow radiator on bottom EK PE 360 tripple flow radiator on top Full Custom water Loop using EK parts. 7x EK-Vader EVO fans Silverstone RGB controller Thermaltake cables Lian Li Dynamic XL case with EK front reservoir. 27" LG Ultragrear 1440p 144hz Monitor (27GL850) Dual Boot OSX catalina and Windows 10. This beast replaces my old hackintosh which was getting a bit long in the tooth. Why Intel CPU and AMD GPU? Because it's predominately a music production hackintosh and ryzen powered hackintoshs have issues with a lot of the music software i use. I use windows at work so it's refreshing to use OSX for music production, it feels a lot less like work lol.
A year for the video that is less than 10 mins and full of "we could but didn't"? Ive been looking forward to this for the longest time, and it's a complete letdown 😔
@@jdecicco91 lazy? You should donate the money needed to pay his employees for dicking around with hardware and software that just doesn't want to work together. New motherboard? $1000, and it still doesn't guarantee TB will work. Lazy is not the word you should be using here, not every project has some amazing crescendo, some just fail, and it beats the hell outta nothing.
@@Ravenousjoe I understand your point but on the other hand... that's the job. They're a tech channel and we give them views to do interesting things with tech. Sure it's a lot of work but that's what makes the videos worth watching (usually). I just felt this one wasn't up to their usual standards, and I think many others agree with me.
@@jdecicco91 Quitting on a failure of a project is not lazy though. They would spend thousands more of budget on a video that could end up the exact way as this. They cut their losses, they weren't "lazy", which btw is extremely rude to assume when you take into consideration the work they already put into it. If a project doesn't work or is difficult, you go to the person that hired you for more budget, they can't with YT, they would be taking a hit directly to their bottom line, all while making only a bit more revenue from a video that will do slightly better.
"we really screwed up our hardware selection and spent almost as much with overpriced cards/mobo as a normal mac and this is why you shouldn't build a hackintosh"
No, the problem is that it's not worth the effort overall. For the price, Macs are good. Their only problem is that they are sh*t to repair.... but, that's also not likely (while we hear of lots of complaints, let's not forget that there are millions upon millions of macs while other PCs share the PC space).
@@TheDeathmail for the size and form factor, imo. Like you could (pre-shortage) build an ATX form factor desktop for the same price of the M1 Mac Mini but with better performance. This of course isn’t an indictment of the Mac Mini, which is fantastic at what it does, but if you’re willing to spend a bit of time to get it up and running, a hackintosh can provide more performance for the same money (with the added benefit that it can run x86 Windows in case you want it). But given that Apple seems to building an increasing number of features into macOS that only work on Apple Silicon, this will probably change in the future.
@@TheDeathmail The effort is very minor if you actually know what you're doing. I had leftover hardware, and I built the equivalent of an iMac 2017 for $150 over the processor, ram and mobo that I recycled.
@@migararodrigo4714 It is clear that Apple will kill all Hackintoshes with the further and further locking down of everything, Apple silicon means that MacOS it will only run on M1 or Apple CPUs, not PCs anymore. They want to milk the Hackintosh crowd too, the vendor lock-in and huge Apple profit playbook mandates that everybody bleeds and gets ripped off for having to buy ALL devices from Apple.
@@nigratruo based on how long Apple supported PowerPC after switching to Intel, I expect at least four years of OS updates after all Macs have switched to Apple Silicon. Assuming the transition finishes in 2022, that means my Hackintosh will work with OS updates until 2026. That’s personally more than enough time, as I intend to buy a legit Mac in that timeframe anyway
I feel like these videos just aren't planned anymore, Linus is always saying how they could have does so many thing, like how they did give over clocking a go, but didn't do anything with the fan curves, and even put loud fans in and couldn't be bothered changing them out.
For real man you watch the old videos and they do leave out some stuff but compared to these days it looks like they are pulling out all the bells and whistles. Now they can’t even do some pretty basic stuff even my lazy ass would do and the whole series of him bitching about the specs of a project he agreed and got paid for was pretty bad
@@flashcloud666 actually... M1 🤷♂️. I frigging love mine, cheap enough that I finally pulled the trigger, breezes through video editing (do yourself a favor and get the 16g version for that purpose): can't wait for their really "pro grade" arm chips.
The main thing that confused me in this video is why does it look like someone messed up tuning on the colors on the hackpro monitor and put the red up wayyyy too high
Love the fact that you will have something for music production, I've followed the channel for a few years now and it's helped me upgrade my pc that is mainly used for music. Gigabyte aorus elite x570/AMD 3700x (oc 4.2ghz) AIO water cooler (can't remember the brand) 16gb corsair ram 3600mhz, gigabyte gtx 1650, gigabyte 500gb m.2, built in a 4u serve case so it fits my desk, dual Asus monitors, pair of Adam A7x, focusrite saffire 24 pro dsp soundcard.
@2kool 4skool never heard of that before but I looked it up. It sounds delicious. I've had some interesting Italian pizzas before, but for some reason I've never had that.
I do high-end 6K editing and 3-D work I’ve had a hackintosh running for two years with imessage just fine. It runs faster than the base Mac Pro and it’s way cheaper. I’m a middle class media production person and I still can’t afford Apple pro products.
So my Girlfriend says to me from the bed as Linus does the intro, "You know, If they ever need to replace the current Spongebob actor, Linus has that locked down."
History moment: There was a brief time in history when Apple didn’t sell anything good enough for professionals (hardware-wise) despite having the OS and Software for many production tasks. This period was the birth of the Hackintosh.
They still don’t. Apples idea of “entry-level” RAM has been 8gb for like 12 years. Anything more will cost you hundreds more than a RAM stick on any other computer.
@@jjccg9415 and yet, with “only” 8Gb RAM the UNIX based macOS can perform much, much better than a loaded Winblows system with a more “standard” 32Gb. But hey, more is better, right? Same thought any men has in bed.
@@hquest yes because Mac OS is magic and makes 8gbs into 8000 gbs. You need a lot of ram no matter what OS you use. If you open tons of intense applications or simulations at the same time 8 flimsy gbs of ram will not work
The M1 is not in big desktop world for now (I mean iMac and Mac Pro, that kind of stuff)(Mac mini is not in big desktop world, it is a compact computer), so we need to wait when apple releases iMac or a Mac Pro with M1 or another ARM-powered chip from Apple
The M1 isn't even comparable to anything on the PC side in the same price bracket. A PC equipped with a Ryzen 5 5600X and an RX570 8GB completely stomps the M1 Mac Mini in any workload for less cost.
What he's saying is the M1 is currently limited to what 15 watts? wait till they make a 90-100 watt one for the MacPro then this video will be irrelevant till AMD and Intel starts using the same 5nm process, then will will have some real competition
I would expect support for that to be worse, since macOS would have no reason to have drivers for non-Intel, non-Apple CPUs. I'm sure some hackers have rolled out drivers, but that's another place for instability.
As someone who has a ryzentosh, and has had it for over a year now, I would never recommend it, especially with the M1 macs coming out and being as cheap as they are.
@@BlockHappy well, I also have one, I get better benchmarks than on windows and full support for anything but MOBO audio. Solved with USB audio. I'm running big sur.
Finally they're considering a music production benchmark, they should get Laszlo's project file for Supernova for FL Studio and render it, since it's a pretty big project, that'd be a decent DAW benchmark
I use my Hackintosh for music production. Everything for that purpose works flawlessly, even a pci firewire interface running a pretty specific firewire audio interface, RME Fireface 400. To me it was a blessing. But the installation.... Took me a while getting it working, cause I had to troubleshoot my way through it on my own, since the parts I got, I onlt knew they worked separately, but I had to find out how to make them work together. That took a while, to be honest. But I still saved a bunch of money, which was nice :)
@@JohnPetreyMusic I don't even remember now, it's many, many years ago I made it. It was something like 16gb ram, dual core 3.0ghz, for that time it was okay, but the installation was hell cause I had to go installation options one by one, because there was not clear install descriptions for all the parts I was using. They were confirmed working but no instructions included. Now I got a M1 Macbook, which I am pretty happy with, And I can still use same audio interface and everything.
Remember they originally intended to finish building the hac pro before the 2019 mac pro launches?
This has the same energy as his Personal Rig Update 2015 ending in mid 2016
I dont know why they even do these builds, there is exactly two Mac users subscribed to this channel. I get Anthony is an Apple fan, but screw that tubby.
They milked the heck out of these videos, not a single one of them was great, and this one was just terrible.
@@jon9947 Presumably cos they look at the viewing stats and make a business decision?
@@jon9947 they do a great many things that don't make sense in the traditional way. Thats not what the channel is about, if you've seen any of the multi user systems, hand rolled servers and infrastructure, custom engineering, custom water-cooling and whatever else I've missed.
This is not mkbhd, no offense to Marques.
Even so, they are developing a music composition benchmark, so they acknowledge they have a significant audience from that market which is known to favour Mac. ie. Your assertion that there are only 2 is obviously a flat out pile of BS.
Friendship ended with Ridge Wallet, now Fantom Wallet is my best friend.
What happened to ridge wallet?
@@captaincj1085 today's sponsor was fantom wallet
Will ridge even sponsor him anymore?
Friendship ended with Mudasir, now Salman is my best friend.
@@shoeonhead me too. mudasir friendship over.
Lackintosh: No-stock pc build.
Wouldn't it be identical to the Gamer's Nexus disappointment PC 2020?
@@FirstnameLastname_official Exactly, printed parts.
Lackinstock?
XD
No-stock:
+ 30% Sprint to Fire Time
- 15% Hip Fire Accuracy
This guy would somehow segue a sponsor spot on a funeral. Speaking of dead, squarespace is dead simple to use. MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL
You copied that comment almost word for word from someone else on another video lol
Squarespace is also dead for SEO
@@jareddevalk it is built for small businesses and non tech to build a website, not for SEO
@Zyrnen Most small businesses don't know about SEO. They need a tool to make website and can't bother to learn Wordpress. And 99.99% of the small businesses can't do SEO themselves
i don't understand why anybody would want a hard as wallet in their pocket
"We wanted to make a music production benchmark, but unfortunately we didn't have the time." Linus, it's been a year.
Just drop 50 effects on 50 channels in ableton and see how low you can set the latency(samples) without sound breaking up. *(at a given sample rate obv.)
@R I T A • Н О Т • G І R L ...what?
@@VeraTR909 spam bot
Figuring out what to include in a music production benchmark is tough though. There are so many potential bottlenecks and different productions have very different needs. Heck, even if it's just mixing from a finished multi-track recording I know that depending on the workflow of the mixing engineer you can end up with situations where the performance is tied either to the single-threaded or the multi-threaded performance of the system. Or sits somewhere in between.
Do you even know what was going on in 2020? Have a big company like Linus first in a year which was in the claws of a global pandemic and then come back here again and complain.
Linus: Let’s build a hackintosh
Apple: Okay, let’s go with a proprietary cpu from now on.
Exactly what happened.
It is just like the days of PowerPC.
Raspberry Pi based hackintosh coming soon
@@DobroPlayer12 That would be really exiting tho
@@ttty22345 Someone tell Linus and co. “snap snap! get crackin’ on it.”
Linus : Don’t build a hackintosh
My wallet : *OK*
Seeing as the alternative is buying a Mac Pro that isn't good for your wallet either. lol
If you don’t need a 28 core CPU. Hackintoshes are cheaper and tons easier than what Linus is doing here.
Naaaa..More like,
Linus: Don't build a Hackintosh guys
My wallet: why?
Linus: Because the Hack Pro took us a whole year to rendering this videos that's why we're a year late.
My wallet: OK
.....i mean if you dont already have all of the hardware and are determined to throw money at the wall to make 1....
*your ridgewallet i mean phantom wallet
Linus seems to be leaning more and more into that sleek Canadian hobo look. I like it. Makes me feel like he could survive a night or two in the far north in winter, like he'd let you sit by his fire and share his can of beans while he told his tale of the limitations of a Hackintosh.
he been like that since he first started.
Idk, To me he fully transformed into the villain from Mission Impossible 5 lol
I feel like I’ve watched the guy grow up…bizarre. I’m old.
I just want you to know that I am from Wyoming. I have the same look and do the same thing. Wyoming is superior to all y'all betas. We are alphas
@@pgknippel it's not just you, I've watched him since like 2014 when I was 5 (maybe that's why I'm a massive tech nerd lol and also rarely missed his videos like I missed about 3 vids cuz of timezone and stuff)
“The elephant in the room” was the wallet ad at the beginning that is a clear competitor to the ridge wallet 😂I was genuinely shocked
I love how this is the only comment that mentions that 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow. I saw the first half-second of the ad and immediately skipped ahead, just assuming it was Ridge Wallet again
Looks like they removed that part of the video
@@awesomegameryoutuber7035 nope still there
@@awesomegameryoutuber7035 very beginning
If we're being honest, when Linus says goodnight to his children, he probably says "Before this bedtime story, a word from our sponsor, _____."
poggers profile pic
lttstore.com
HAHAHA
"...and they lived happily ever after. Just like you can, if you get a new Fantom wallet to hold and fan out even more bedtime stories!"
LTT store dot com... wink
What I got from this video: "We could have done that but we didn't have time" and "our motherboard is shit but we didn't change it".
Sick desing tho.
Oh yes, *please* start including music production test suite into CPU tests, it's very much relevant to a lot of people, almost always completely disregarded in almost all testing, but also completely different to almost any other workload, so it's hard to extrapolate meaningful conclusions from other test results.
how is it completely different to almost any other workload?
@@redwillrise Not completely different but a computer that is great for video editing might not be as great for music production so often the results aren't as meaningful as we hope they are. I just wish they included more of these tests as we often see a large variety of gaming/video editing tests but if you want to see tests for audio work you usually have to go to a channel that specializes in that.
@@tomasgulbinas8304 I mean yeah audio work requires different I/O for sure, but concerning performance, a professional video editing rig should absolutely slaughter any audio tasks thrown at it. I mean all you need is a reasonably powerful CPU + enough RAM and you're set, you don't even need fancy GPUs. Part of the home studio explosion is due to the fact that almost any device is powerful enough to do even some pretty advanced audio editing nowadays
@ITSJUSTABASIC wat?
@@redwillrise not necessarily. Audio production can be challenging in systems with high latency. Low latency means all the audio is rendered in near real time. If there is lag - there will be glitches in the audio and delays when playing midi instruments restricting expression. latency can be created by poor quality peripherals, or 1st gen ryzen for example, due to latency introduced by communicating between the ccxs, even though there's plenty of cpu grunt there. If you're getting high latency, its sometimes quite tricky to figure out where its coming from, or if its hardware related at all (some plugins create a lot of latency too)
This video seemed like it was supposed to be really high production, but ended up being roughly made because of the numerous issues and just said “Screw it. Let’s just make a quick video and get this over with.”
Aren't most of their videos made that way?
I agree, shouldn't have even bothered. Kinda strange, not usually Linus' style.
Judging by the title, basically this Hackintosh is an unusable mess.
It's either this, or spend thousands of dollars more with tweaking, and troubleshooting. The other videos in the series are great. It's sad to see a like/ dislike ratio like this because of people whining about quality (not referring to you specifically, you just stated a fact), when they have to watch their video budget in order to keep producing better and better videos.
To be fair, hackintoshes are a pain
*takes over 1 year to finish project*
"... But unfortunately we didn't have time"
What are you? CDProjectRed?
Hackintosh: 2077 Edition
You mispelled CDProjectRekt
@@depth386 you spelled it wrong too CDProjektRed
@@THE-MAD-TECHIE tbf if cdpr did a star citizen a lot less people would've been mad
Help plz dosto
Does the oven in the kitchen set actually work?
Haha i just noticed you, you're that crazy guy who slapped a chicken
Love your channel, congratz on the massive sub gain! I think they said in a video all of them are just props atleast most of the other things are.
@@Hamox Oh fuck yeah, that video was great.
Help plz dosto
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I think virtualization is the best route. Like what snazzy labs did. He used linux and virtualized MacOS, passed through the hardware, and got as good as if not better performance for what seemed much easier than this
There’s no Fucking way virtualization would be “better” I feel like you’re pulling that info out of your ass
Linus:*does a compactwallet sponsor that is not ridge wallet*
Ridge wallet: you betrayed me
Linus: "I don't even know you."
Literally did not even introduce the sponsor. They always do the most shocking ads most casually. Anyone else remember the random chick playing switch in the background for literally no reason other than dbrand sponsoring it and no one ever addressing that lol
@@stizzo135 > Linus: "I don't even know you."
"Speaking of which, keep your intel just as private with our todays sponsor: NordVPN!"
They all are overpriced anyways. I bought a really nice one for 4$
I'll never get the point of those things anyway. "Keep your wallet bulge down by buying this small wallet that barely fits 1/3rd of the stuff you have in your current one!"
Gee, thanks, I guess?
"Lets start with the elephant in the room"
Yeah, what happened to ridge wallet!?
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@@fran.klindic dont care mate
Let’s just say that on the website it says phantom wallet is manufactured in Canada.
@@fran.klindic my nigga that’s crazy but I don’t remember asking
they’re both fundamentally the same but the fantom is slightly easier to get cards out of
*Don't build an hackintosh*
...Because the parts aren't in stock...
It has a shelf life now. Once Apple updates the kernel in MacOS to use M1 CPUs only, that's the end of Hackintoshs
@@JackSmith-kx7fe we will find a away around that
@@JackSmith-kx7fe They will have to support Intel Macs for some time.
@pycl they will become obsolete in about 1-2 years, just like power pc macs did when apple moved to intel processors.
@@andrewbarden7672 still haven't found a way around lack of rtx support and imessage
0:07 seconds into the video: "A LIQUID SSD!" … So, you mean an LSD?
Why tf are people claiming to consume liquid state drives
@@billykaelin6358 you don't smoke lsd, it's a tab
a LSSD?
@@washboo STFU
@@billykaelin6358 what is liquid ssd? WTF?
**takes a full year to make this video**
"wE diDnT haVe eNoUgh tImE"
must've worked on Cyberpunk 2077
You’re used to disappointment, Mr. Leafs Fan
Just like the mongoloid below referencing Cyberpunk, you do understand while yes they had time to finish it had they worked on it exclusively, they had other several more important projects that benefit their business and channel both? It's just one of their many entertaining videos, it's not like it's crucial to your life or anyone else's so get off your high horse.
@@Taz1451 if by weird you mean cool then yes, I agree
@@Taz1451 no, he's being honest. Though I realize how hard that can be for people like you to understand.
"Don't do what we did"
Don't buy a dodgy $1000 motherboard with features it claims but doesn't have.
Got it.
Man my 1000$ plan is ruined
todays lesson: don't buy gigabyte.
Me: I've seen this lesson already.
"Don't compare to Macs" was the lesson I learnt
@@mariocart2wrholder Don't worry, you can still buy a stand for the monitor
@@justsomeguy5470 you mean the trash can holder?
I'm so stupid I actually need one of these and it's cheap
I've never see Linus so resigned and defeated especially after a year of investment on a project
go watch whole room watercooling lol
@@flandrble WRW Is fucking frustrating because they made such stupid mistakes. Duh it's not going to help room temps when you don't insulate the copper pipes! And why did you buy the same metal reservoir TWICE, Linus? A plastic tub would have been better at that point!
jpnewpic88.men
“Make sure you’re subscribed because are working on something for you music producers”
STILL EAGERLY AWAITING THIS VIDEO 😇
#metoo
@@mrwilliam007 not that #
It's weird I just saw this comment as he said this simultaneously lol
the moment we have been waiting for... unless?
WHAT'S UP BLUESDANK
poggers
claim your ticket like.............
@@OPSSGamerz stfu
your content is garbango
AKA don't build the hackintosh WE built, because we made poor decisions on the processor and motherboard.
This!!
@@malek6129 I'm running Catalina on my new rig for music production. It will last me 3-5 years like all my other hacks.. I do agree though, I wouldn't build a new hackintosh If your worried about updates .
@@Grant82gc I agree. Im running Catalina on my rig for music production as well, and just bought an m1 mac pro rather than upgrading my current setup for the sake of updates.
Too young to remember the PPC to Intel transition? PPC was supported for exactly 5 years after the last PPC Mac was sold. They are still selling Intel Macs now and will be until they transition the Mac Pro, which will take them a year or two. So we‘re getting still another 5-7 years of Intel support. And since M1 isn‘t quite fully supported yet, Hackintoshing is still the better choice until all the third party apps and plugins are updated. Judging by Catalina compatibility it‘ll take a while - I‘m still on Mojave, because there are still a couple of plugins I can‘t replace.
And on the other components...
Linus: "The head-to-head battle you guys have been waiting for a year for!"
Scrapyard War: "Am I a joke to you??"
So glad to know that we can finally see music production benchmarks on a mainstream TH-cam channel.
Why not just render a video without any... well... video? Wouldn't that, essentially, have the same effect? Or are we talking about performance in regards to actually working on a project within a DAW? Regardless of what the answer is, just remember that, when it comes to DAWs (and, pretty much, all other computer software), performance is useless without stability. Remember that. :)
Linus cheating on Ridge Wallet with Fantom!!
Openly, I might add.
Tags: NTR
It's just whoever gives them money. It's a SPONSOR, not an endorsement.
Linus is a Phan so he ditched the Ridge.
@@thany3 🙄🙄
Roast of Linus Sebastian: Everyone from LMG roasting JayzTwoCents for taking a year to complete the Post Malone build.
Also LMG:
For real though
Guys i have made the best video on youtube. Hope you will check it out
@@bruhteet693 Can you please not self-promote videos with no relevance.
@@soap530 I guys, I made the most useful video about everything you'd ever need to know. hope you check it out. like comment, subscribe!
I made a video that is the best videos ever made put together.
Linus: Talks about Fantom wallet
Ridge Wallet: Am I a joke to you?
@R I T A • Н О Т • G І R L shut up
jpnewpic88.men
Thank you for not forgetting us music producers.
Way back in the day, Apple used to hold us in the same regard as visual guys, all part of one "creative professional" umbrella.
But these days, they don't get as much Wow! factor at launches from music as they do from video, so we've been basically forgotten about, which is strange seeing as video almost always requires audio to function, whereas audio does not require video.
Ridgewallet when Linus talks about a wallet sponsor other than them:
*...and I took that personally.*
Pour one out for tunnelbear
damn it wasnt ridge wallet this time i never see the sponsors anymore i have an extension that skips them for me
@@Burger19985 Discovered that extension a couple weeks ago. Thank god for crowdsourcing.
@@Burger19985 do you mind telling me what it's called?
@@wishdere a plugin that skips in vids promos?
Jesus, seeing the cases being placed RIGHT on the edge of the table in every video is terrifying when you notice it.
1 Year in the making. Result: less than 10 minutes worth of content. Well done. :P
How much $ does this hackintosh cost them!? What a waste
@@philippemiller4740 The ad spot, merch, and adsense more than paid for it
There were a number of build videos along the way.
@@philippemiller4740 probably less than half the Mac
@@Founders4 yes, and they where fun, but the conclusion... waste of time
So Sooo glad Linus is finally addressing music production in bench’s. Thank you 🙏 very much. A great tech channel who’s going to include us in bench’s and bring attention to our needs ..
Me: *reads title*
Also me: *clicks video from my Hackinotsh*
poggers
Lol same
*hackintosh*
Same, really jealous on that costum G5 case though😅
Android phone and Ubuntu 20.04.1 laptop.
why not
Wow it’s really you!
Wazzup duuuude
@@fran.klindic shut up
Love your videos mate :-)
Here's why th-cam.com/video/gkKU8lXAqPM/w-d-xo.html
Was kind of hoping for this to be longer. Like I would have loved a section about making, price getting Mac OS running on it, drivers, productivity, even gaming etc. This was just the tip of the tip of the ice berg. But happy 2021.
Typical LTT really - if its not gamez its not getting airtime. I mean its not even running BigSur so no idea why iMessage was such a problem. My take - if you're a heavy macos user buy an apple silicon mac, if you want to run the odd mac app (like fusion360) run macos in a vm on regular hardware and don't spend thousands failing to prove a point about hackintosh.
I have been running hackintosh since 2013 and literally, if you follow the advice from blokes from tonymacx86 forum and /r/hackintosh you can get everything work as well, or even better than on MacOS. Back in 2013 I've spent about 1k on my hackintosh and I had better performance out of it than my colleges mac pro for audio and video production and I also played steam games on it for years with no issues. They are really, really good option but they do take patience and time to build and set up, be prepared to run into issues after having a finished build for a bit as well.
If you want a proper hackintosh guide, look somewhere else. This video is garbage even for LTT standards.
I'm so glad we're getting some music production content..
I'm a PC enthusiast and music producer of 13 years so that's going to be exciting to see!!
Btw.. my current rig is a dual boot OSX and Win10 machine..
Specs:
10900k I9 - Overclocked to 5.1ghz all core.
5700xt Powercolor Liquid Devil - Overclocked
Z490 Gigabyte Vision D creators motherboard
32gb Patriot Viper Ram - 4000Mhz with tight timings
2x Samsung 1TB 970 EVO Plus Drives
2x Samsung 960 sata hard drives
850w Seasonic Prime Platinum PSU
EK XE 360 tripple flow radiator on bottom
EK PE 360 tripple flow radiator on top
Full Custom water Loop using EK parts.
7x EK-Vader EVO fans
Silverstone RGB controller
Thermaltake cables
Lian Li Dynamic XL case with EK front reservoir.
27" LG Ultragrear 1440p 144hz Monitor (27GL850)
Dual Boot OSX catalina and Windows 10.
This beast replaces my old hackintosh which was getting a bit long in the tooth. Why Intel CPU and AMD GPU? Because it's predominately a music production hackintosh and ryzen powered hackintoshs have issues with a lot of the music software i use. I use windows at work so it's refreshing to use OSX for music production, it feels a lot less like work lol.
Covid wasn't a thing when this project started
Feels lazy/rushed without swapping in a 100% working mobo and getting the overclock and fans dialed in.
I think this project got put on the cbf list.
This
A year for the video that is less than 10 mins and full of "we could but didn't"? Ive been looking forward to this for the longest time, and it's a complete letdown 😔
Yeah this was surprisingly lazy for something so delayed...
Sounds like shit hardware and proprietary software collided with time limits. Threadripper VM would have absolutely trashed the final product.
@@jdecicco91 lazy? You should donate the money needed to pay his employees for dicking around with hardware and software that just doesn't want to work together. New motherboard? $1000, and it still doesn't guarantee TB will work.
Lazy is not the word you should be using here, not every project has some amazing crescendo, some just fail, and it beats the hell outta nothing.
@@Ravenousjoe I understand your point but on the other hand... that's the job. They're a tech channel and we give them views to do interesting things with tech. Sure it's a lot of work but that's what makes the videos worth watching (usually). I just felt this one wasn't up to their usual standards, and I think many others agree with me.
@@jdecicco91 Quitting on a failure of a project is not lazy though. They would spend thousands more of budget on a video that could end up the exact way as this. They cut their losses, they weren't "lazy", which btw is extremely rude to assume when you take into consideration the work they already put into it. If a project doesn't work or is difficult, you go to the person that hired you for more budget, they can't with YT, they would be taking a hit directly to their bottom line, all while making only a bit more revenue from a video that will do slightly better.
"we really screwed up our hardware selection and spent almost as much with overpriced cards/mobo as a normal mac and this is why you shouldn't build a hackintosh"
No, the problem is that it's not worth the effort overall. For the price, Macs are good. Their only problem is that they are sh*t to repair.... but, that's also not likely (while we hear of lots of complaints, let's not forget that there are millions upon millions of macs while other PCs share the PC space).
@@TheDeathmail for the size and form factor, imo. Like you could (pre-shortage) build an ATX form factor desktop for the same price of the M1 Mac Mini but with better performance. This of course isn’t an indictment of the Mac Mini, which is fantastic at what it does, but if you’re willing to spend a bit of time to get it up and running, a hackintosh can provide more performance for the same money (with the added benefit that it can run x86 Windows in case you want it).
But given that Apple seems to building an increasing number of features into macOS that only work on Apple Silicon, this will probably change in the future.
@@TheDeathmail The effort is very minor if you actually know what you're doing. I had leftover hardware, and I built the equivalent of an iMac 2017 for $150 over the processor, ram and mobo that I recycled.
@@migararodrigo4714 It is clear that Apple will kill all Hackintoshes with the further and further locking down of everything, Apple silicon means that MacOS it will only run on M1 or Apple CPUs, not PCs anymore. They want to milk the Hackintosh crowd too, the vendor lock-in and huge Apple profit playbook mandates that everybody bleeds and gets ripped off for having to buy ALL devices from Apple.
@@nigratruo based on how long Apple supported PowerPC after switching to Intel, I expect at least four years of OS updates after all Macs have switched to Apple Silicon. Assuming the transition finishes in 2022, that means my Hackintosh will work with OS updates until 2026. That’s personally more than enough time, as I intend to buy a legit Mac in that timeframe anyway
Linus: takes full year to finish video
Also linus: doesn’t delay the video for more time when its already a year late LOL
Cyberpunk has entered the chat
He pulled a Cyberpunk.
Ah man, whoever did the tagline missed an opportunity: "Hack Pro is back, bro" instead of "Hack is back"
Ever since they moved to ARM, I’ve given up with building one. I just bought a M1 Mac mini
When Linus is saying lets gooooooo it reminds me of Morty's excitement from the Vindicators episode "we're doing Vindicators twwoooooOOOOoo"
I feel like these videos just aren't planned anymore, Linus is always saying how they could have does so many thing, like how they did give over clocking a go, but didn't do anything with the fan curves, and even put loud fans in and couldn't be bothered changing them out.
For real man you watch the old videos and they do leave out some stuff but compared to these days it looks like they are pulling out all the bells and whistles. Now they can’t even do some pretty basic stuff even my lazy ass would do and the whole series of him bitching about the specs of a project he agreed and got paid for was pretty bad
One year to prepare.... "we didn't have time" 7:50
Linus: dont build a hackintosh
Me: ok linus i wont
And don't buy a mac either.
@@flashcloud666 actually... M1 🤷♂️. I frigging love mine, cheap enough that I finally pulled the trigger, breezes through video editing (do yourself a favor and get the 16g version for that purpose): can't wait for their really "pro grade" arm chips.
@@gregoirepainchaud or you could have bought yourself a better pc and flushed a few hundred dollars down the toilet.
@@Mediumpimpin69 clearly you haven’t seen how the m1s perform
@@Mediumpimpin69 the m1 MacBook Pro is actually really good.
How close the the ledge the Hack Pro was sitting on the table triggers me because *KNOWING* Linus...
"dont build a hackintosh"
People who use VMs ... Im gonna pretend i didnt see that
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IVE BEEN WAITING A WHOLE YEAR FOR THIS LINUS
GIVE ME THE DAMN MUSIC PRODUCTION
I feel it. Logic is the reason I'm on mac :|
@@Hammy712 i use reaper and i’m gonna say it’s awesome
Me, seeing this title: "Didn't Linus already started building a thing called HackPro?"
After clicking on this vid " Oh, shizz it's been a year!?"
AHH IM SO EXCITED FOR YOUR TESTING FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION 😭
The main thing that confused me in this video is why does it look like someone messed up tuning on the colors on the hackpro monitor and put the red up wayyyy too high
That was so distracting
that's how my f.lux is set at 6am when i'm supposed to wake up at 7am kinda
Linus just went from looking like a 10yr old to a more mature person in the last 6-7 months
Still he didn't stop dropping things🤦♂️
1:28 - Oh, we are blaming “questionable” solder joins now are we? Are you sure it’s not Linus Drops Its? Eh!? Eh!!?
Great series. Was worried you’d be super biased, but am pleasantly impressed
I like how we waited a year just to hear “pineapple on pizza”. (Jeeze this is an edit btw) didnt expect all these likes
Lol
claim your ticket like...............
Lol
I go make a sandwich come back and i have 300 likes holy thank you so much guys i apreaciate this so much
"...elephant in hte room"
Elephants are cheaper and in stock
Avoiding the Apple Tax taken to the next level
6:17 timing on his left hand
"you have been waiting for" I love how Linus sounds so enthusiastic as if we are gonna buy a system similar to what they built
I don’t want to ever go back to Linus without a beard!
Yes
FINALLY something for music producers is coming. I'm waiting and ready
გჰ
Love the fact that you will have something for music production, I've followed the channel for a few years now and it's helped me upgrade my pc that is mainly used for music. Gigabyte aorus elite x570/AMD 3700x (oc 4.2ghz) AIO water cooler (can't remember the brand) 16gb corsair ram 3600mhz, gigabyte gtx 1650, gigabyte 500gb m.2, built in a 4u serve case so it fits my desk, dual Asus monitors, pair of Adam A7x, focusrite saffire 24 pro dsp soundcard.
Pineapple on pizza:
Everyone from Italy unsubscribed
@2kool 4skool never heard of that before but I looked it up. It sounds delicious. I've had some interesting Italian pizzas before, but for some reason I've never had that.
Definitely. I'm italian..... hahaha
Don't buid "this" hackintosh, the one I'm currently running is blowing the latest cheesegrater out of the water.
can we just take a moment at how much more attractive linus has gotten since letting his hair/beard grow out? holy shit dude
Yeah like holy shit 🥵🥵
@@fran.klindic shut up
Gone from lesbian linus to fuckboy linus real fast
@@taha112498 more like homeless linus
hopefully he keeps the beard! as opposite as he said last year!
thoes computers are REALLY TOO CLOSE TO THE EDGE of the table...
WoAh
never seen you before
Would be a shame if Linus... did a Linus.
You mean Linus might actually (cough) DROP one?
@@richardbeckenbaugh1805 what would give you the idea he would ever do THAT ??
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed lol
I do high-end 6K editing and 3-D work I’ve had a hackintosh running for two years with imessage just fine. It runs faster than the base Mac Pro and it’s way cheaper. I’m a middle class media production person and I still can’t afford Apple pro products.
Can u send configuration for 2021
@@SKYSTAR26 lmao u just can use the same efi folder as him lmao
Me on my Hackintosh: *clicks video*
Linus: "Don't build a Hackintosh"
Also Me: *scalping intensifies*
Please don't steal my scalp I need it.
Same shit happened here
@@StayMadNobodycares Too late! Look at your head!
7:50 How to make any music producer smile :)
Nice to see the final wrap up! Been waiting for this one. The first of the series is what got me hooked and subbed
The real question here is:
How many lines of coke did Line-us have before doing that intro?
So my Girlfriend says to me from the bed as Linus does the intro, "You know, If they ever need to replace the current Spongebob actor, Linus has that locked down."
History moment: There was a brief time in history when Apple didn’t sell anything good enough for professionals (hardware-wise) despite having the OS and Software for many production tasks. This period was the birth of the Hackintosh.
They still don’t. Apples idea of “entry-level” RAM has been 8gb for like 12 years. Anything more will cost you hundreds more than a RAM stick on any other computer.
@@jjccg9415 other workstations also come with a stupidly low base line configuration. Just look at Dell. Xeon CPU and 8 gigs ram..
@@jjccg9415 and yet, with “only” 8Gb RAM the UNIX based macOS can perform much, much better than a loaded Winblows system with a more “standard” 32Gb. But hey, more is better, right? Same thought any men has in bed.
@@hquest yes because Mac OS is magic and makes 8gbs into 8000 gbs. You need a lot of ram no matter what OS you use. If you open tons of intense applications or simulations at the same time 8 flimsy gbs of ram will not work
@@traine4126 don't knock him down let him figure it out
Why has the Asus display such a red tint? doesn't seem very "ProArt"
Yes why so pink?
They likely didn't bother tweaking the colour settings on it because this was about the system performance, not colour accuracy.
You need to calibrate it
It’s sad: because of all the delays, this test is irrelevant. The introduction of the M1 CPU has changed everything.
The M1 doesn't even touch the heels of these CPUs, let alone match them.
The M1 is not in big desktop world for now (I mean iMac and Mac Pro, that kind of stuff)(Mac mini is not in big desktop world, it is a compact computer), so we need to wait when apple releases iMac or a Mac Pro with M1 or another ARM-powered chip from Apple
Bro it’s not comparable M1 with theese things
The M1 isn't even comparable to anything on the PC side in the same price bracket.
A PC equipped with a Ryzen 5 5600X and an RX570 8GB completely stomps the M1 Mac Mini in any workload for less cost.
What he's saying is the M1 is currently limited to what 15 watts? wait till they make a 90-100 watt one for the MacPro then this video will be irrelevant till AMD and Intel starts using the same 5nm process, then will will have some real competition
"Don't build a hackintosh"
me: "stick it to apple"
*Makes a mac VM on my pc*
The only time I’ve heard someone make a pineapple pizza joke and it actually be contextually relevant
I actually like pineapple on pizza. It adds a nice flavour.
seriously excited to see the music production benchmarks, there's so little PC info specifically geared towards music producers
I can't wait to see a music production setup from LTT.
That is the big boy 👏💪
No
No
No
No
No
7:52 "We didn't have time" It only took a year
Ironically, I was making one. You can’t tell me what to do!
me: the hackintosh seems cool how much is it
ltt: Ye$$ss
You’re still in the wrong road my man, the old wrong one. Your answer is Ryzentosh.
I would expect support for that to be worse, since macOS would have no reason to have drivers for non-Intel, non-Apple CPUs.
I'm sure some hackers have rolled out drivers, but that's another place for instability.
Or you could just stop pretending to be special and then get an intel like everyone else and never have any issues
@@adrycough ...But the Intel had issues still...
As someone who has a ryzentosh, and has had it for over a year now, I would never recommend it, especially with the M1 macs coming out and being as cheap as they are.
@@BlockHappy well, I also have one, I get better benchmarks than on windows and full support for anything but MOBO audio. Solved with USB audio. I'm running big sur.
"Don’t overengineer a Hackintosh" FTFY
The hell does that means
"for you music producers"
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH TIME I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
Finally they're considering a music production benchmark, they should get Laszlo's project file for Supernova for FL Studio and render it, since it's a pretty big project, that'd be a decent DAW benchmark
I 2nd this
Dad: "and this is where I keep the parts to build my PC...... *IF I HAD ANY* ."
Redo the "3D Modeling & Design - Do you REALLY need a Xeon and Quadro??" PC.
YES! And test Redshift as well as Nuke and Houdini too.
Can't begin to say how excited I am about a video DEDICATED to audio production. FINALLY!!!
*While Linus proceeds to build a Hackintosh*
claim your ticket like...............
You can still have Intel single core boost to its best while having an all core overclock. You did a lazy overclock
The whole video was lazy lol
I love how he just says 7 GPUs casually meanwhile I’m still using the same GPU from like 5 years ago
I use my Hackintosh for music production. Everything for that purpose works flawlessly, even a pci firewire interface running a pretty specific firewire audio interface, RME Fireface 400.
To me it was a blessing.
But the installation.... Took me a while getting it working, cause I had to troubleshoot my way through it on my own, since the parts I got, I onlt knew they worked separately, but I had to find out how to make them work together. That took a while, to be honest. But I still saved a bunch of money, which was nice :)
What specs are you using?
@@JohnPetreyMusic I don't even remember now, it's many, many years ago I made it. It was something like 16gb ram, dual core 3.0ghz, for that time it was okay, but the installation was hell cause I had to go installation options one by one, because there was not clear install descriptions for all the parts I was using. They were confirmed working but no instructions included.
Now I got a M1 Macbook, which I am pretty happy with, And I can still use same audio interface and everything.