The $10,000 Mac Pro Killer
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:09 Laying out the process(or)
2:29 Motherboard and PCIe Lanes
3:42 Memory, let's talk about it
5:29 Storage
6:26 Cheese Grater is Greater
6:56 Cool, cool cool cool
7:41 GPU 2: Electric Boogaloo
8:53 A Hela Powerful PSU
9:16 Benchmarking and Tom Selleck (Classroom Edition)
11:10 Cinebench
15:21 Gaming
18:35 "Apple is expensive and bad" - Linus
19:27 Conclusion - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Another video idea: what's the cheapest PC you could build that is still faster than the Mac
Yeah I wanted to say that
Anything
Came here to say this... I'd be much more interested in that comparison.
Probably looking at a three or four thousand dollar PC because that's much closer to the mac studio
This. Also systems price competitive but better than the studio and mini. Seriously, who is buying this version of the pro?
"It's an Apple Pi" -Elijah. Best quote of the video.
deserves way more points
Deserved a reaction from Linus.
definitely
It’s apple pie filled with arm
Bump
11:35 Elijah deserves way more credit for calling it an "Apple Pi"
came for this comment :D :D
Lol
Came here for this comment
came here for this comment
13:40 how does elijah not know hey-ya im younger than him and that shit is my jam i love outkast!!!
Different circles and interests, maybe.
Fun story about that song: When it originally released, it was deeply unpopular, and radio stations couldn’t get traction with it, to the point where many of them stopped playing it. The record company ended up paying a bunch of big radio networks to play it over and over again, in an attempt to force a change in the public’s taste. And it worked! It didn’t take long for people to start choosing to listen to it, rather than explicitly avoid it. That’s the power of repetition in marketing.
@@smileychess huh interesting
Dude doesn't even know the difference between silicon and silicone, no way I can take him seriously.
probably because Linus' didn't sound anything like the song
That 4090 dropping truly made my soul hurt...
It wasn’t even his.. don’t lend your boss your 4090. Though I prob couldn’t/wouldn’t say no to the guy signing my paychecks
This video includes dropping a 4090? Omg
I was borderline hoping to see a ripped off pcie slot 😢
he can pay for it anyways. @@swimmerboy172
They can't simultaneously claim Linus is a PC building pro whilst leaving in all of these failures to get the basics right. The Linus drops things joke became stale years ago.
8:30 Ryan when his 4090 fell out of the slot: 👁👄👁
lol wasnt even in
his soul probably left his body for a sec
funny enough he has a habit of dropping expensive shit, there are montages lol
i felt that
This was very entertaining. Thank you guys! Man this channel drops wonderful videos. More like this one please!
0:50 OH GOD that beardless Linus jumpscare !
I wasn't ready for it XD
oh shut up....
Nice of Linus to let his little brother do the sponser spot.
😂
I dunno, to me no-beard Linus looks older and more physically wrecked than bearded Linus... =)
@@jubuttib The beard has been starving the face.
he looks like he aged 15 years since he didn't have a beard
@@OrjonZ I blame the weird facial treatment thing he went to. =)
Seeing non bearded Linus was the ultimate jump scare
Original
That is what his female employees say. Can't believe this guy is still around.
yep! i waslike "ewww"
I wanna see how much their views drop one he's gonna start showing up without beard full time in videos
@@jaytrock3217What the actual fuck are you talking about??? The HR "issues" were related to a different employee?
So you guys recently did a video that was the last build guide you'd ever need, could you do one for water cooling? Guide to compatibility along with installation?
Video idea! Great 2.1 audio built into a case
17:55 you know latency is bad when you can see the lag between the mouse and the monitor from youtube.
it looks absolutely unplayable lmao
That's INSANE
Borderline unplayable latency
Linus having to explain the difference between silicon and silicone is gold. That should be a dedicated Tech Quickie episode.
A silicone CPU is a toy; a silicon CPU goes in a computer
the times I saw that mistake done in German dubs of especially kids shows (and the Simpsons) through the 90s ... identical English word, two different German ones. Yet they managed to -always- pick the wrong one.
lithium-ion and litihium-iron how many times iv heard that mistake
@@Hortifox_the_gardener
Silicone is chemical product and its like rubber, silicon is chemical element.
Here’s the easiest way to tell the difference: Silicon Valley is near San Francisco and silicone valley is in Los Angeles.
Okay that ending segue might have been the best one so far. Well played.
11:40 - How did that dad joke go straight over Linus' head? I'm so proud of Elijah
"It's an apple pie" was an underrated throw-in there lol
Technically the Apple M1, M2, M3 chips are essentially the Apple equivalent to Raspberry PI chips just with memory on die (RPI has memory on the board soldered on).
@@tripplefives1402 ... yeah... that's... that's the joke😐
@@NewPraetorianBlues I'm laughing while typing this on my RPI5 then.
I'd rather daily drive a pi3b+ over a Mac but I'd rather use a Mac than a windows device
Natively having most of the Unix tools(in macOS ) is just better than trying to use windows for anything,
But actually having a decent system (Linux, even on a SBC like a raspberry pi) is much better than Mac any day
@@eriklundstedt9469 the 3 is like 100 times slower than a 5. You can actually edit 4k videos on a raspberry pi 5. A 3 can barely watch videos in 720p and still drops frames.
17:41 I can't imagine a world where charging ports on the bottom of the mouse is not the worst thing a human could have conceived lag or no lag
The unnecessary inventions guy moved the port to the front and it doesn't work while charging lol
it is very stupid, but at least after when you charge it, it's unusable cause of how laggy it is in a game.
Humans also conceived the Steam Controller
@@Sicho84 haha I used to use that until recently when I replaced it with an Xbox controller... It was fine until you needed a right joystick.
The back paddles I enjoyed
people made adapters so you could charge it from the front but apple being apple made sure the mouse is unusable while it charges because fuck logic
With regards to boot times, you're using twice as much memory in the PC and it's ECC memory, that has to get initialized before booting to put it into a determined state. I would think that'd be at least 10 extra seconds for the amount of memory in there.
got the same Air Cooled MSI Suprim X RTX4090, i absolutely Love it.
It's insane that the 14900ks will draw more power than a threadripper
14900ks does not exist yet you silly goose
@buff9267 well he did say "will draw more power"
Yeah but therefore it's still the single threaded king. That's totally worth it if you run a phase change cooler...
im pretty sure the s was meant in plural. Not in the KS model meaning@@buff9267
@@horyzengm oh yeah fcourse stupid me
Things i didnt think i needed to see today. Elijah being taught by Linus that Silicone and Silicon are indeed two different things. Linus had the most high school teacher "we just did this last week" look on his face haha!
Man, that whole part had me cracking up so hard 😂
I honestly didn't know that 😅 I just thought it was an Americanism
The BTS on Arianna's upgrade had Linus explaining that not all metals rust. Linus said on floatplane that if he wasn't Linus Tech Tips, he'd be a middle-school science teacher. I don't think he expected to live the dream with Elijah. (sorry Elijah)
as a french speaker didn't know that too (and it's indeed confusing)
Now I feel bad for laughing 😰
Call out to the editor at 9:42 ! Much effort =) Luv it...
Great video! As an alternate view-point, I'd love to see what would be the cost of an equivalent performance PC.
Indeed, I'd like to know what CPU and GPU combo would be equivalent in terms of performance. I'd be more curious about that than the prices, in fact.
14:55 Elija got his 1st LTT basics CHEMISTRY class...!!!😂🤣
@@0NeeN0 😂🤣
11:45 Did you ignore what's probably his best Apple pun to date?
So is it like apple pie in American Pie?
The generational divide was very evident in this video, and it was hilarious. Great chemistry between these two characters. Awesome video!
I saw that case they were using, then looked at mine. I love the my Define7 XL, so much space. Though I wish it had a vented front.
How is it I'm going to be building a new system and was considering getting the Define 7 XL over the Meshify 2 XL or Lancool III
14:42 that "THEY'RE DIFFERENT??" lol
It reminded me of 24 yo dude saying: "OMG I JUST THOUGHT TO THIS DAY THAT IRON IN CEREAL IS NORMAL IRON FILINGS (i mean not kinds metal shavings but yea it's the same)", yes, yes it is my child. If you've used magnes you would know that and point 2, iron is VERY important in our diet, especially cereal which is food primarily for kids and adults that wish they were kids (hello!) I was anemic (luckily not anything serious) but quality of life went up A LOT. When people figure out that naturally calcium (but it's really reactive so you rarely see it in it's clear form) is a metal they will lose their minds.
love how he links it like we can afford it
It's like a supercar, I know i can't afford it, but enjoy watching about it.
Well if you can afford a Mac pro 😅
Point isn't for folks that can't afford it, it's hey, this is what you can get for the same money.
I mean these videos get millions of views. Sure the people who can afford this stuff are the 1 percent, but actually that's a shockingly large amount of the audience if you think about it.
The CPU costs more than me and my brother's pc builds. 😂
I recall workstations do a lot more checks on bootup to make sure the machine is working properly. They also tend to take a slight performance hit for using more reliable memory.
Things like ECC memory are irrelevant for workstations, I haven't had my PC blue screen due to a bit flip in like a decade, and even if it did my work is saved automatically every 5 minutes anyway. It's practically just a marketing gimmick. ECC is only useful in datacenters.
@@oBCHANo bit flips don’t just cause blue screens they can degrade data quality. Autosaving is not going to detect or prevent bit flips, if the memory has bad data then bad data gets saved.
But there’s some fair point that bit flips have been pretty rare. I recall the next RAM standard will make them standard because of how close to the limits RAM is getting.
I have the define 7 mid tower case. Love the design and the fact it has front IO. My friend actually thought it was dumb I wanted front IO which I don’t understand why anyone wouldn’t want it for the convenience
When he didn't get the 'hey yeah' reference, you should of called him an... Outkast.
underrared comment
*should have
But it’s hey ya
I agree
Too many errors. Delete your comment.
Elijah not getting the hey ya reference actually broke me inside.
Of all the hits when we were kids there's a reason why he never heard that one. It's overplayed. Even after all these years no one actually goes back and listens to it because we're all still sick of it.
It's a reference to Confronting Myself by Lena Raine from the Celeste OST right? ... Right... ?
@@sntslilhlpr6601Speak for yourself, it's still great.
@@FG-418 Riiiiiight
@@sntslilhlpr6601i love this song
I just watched another channel make a resin poured PC case. I'd love to see Linus build a PC in this resin case since they have the molds now and could pour up another case easily.
I like that there are good shots for the pc building it makes the atmosphere better
Man i just love that ‘THREADRIPPER’ name.Turns the name of a CPU to Terminator
so true. we need more components with badass names.
It's a reference to a seam/stich ripper tool for textiles.
Yeah or a sewing tool
@@thedanyesful haha
Linus is like Frodo and Elijah is like Sam.
I thought Elijah was Frodo
@aaronalquiza9680 good one
@ballessss yeah...since Sam takes care of Frodo more than anything
Linus is like Markiplier and Elijah is like Ethan during Unus Annus
Elijah is the name of the Actor of Frodo
12:44 I feel you. I want it back also.
What ended up being the 0d fix? We've run into that a number of times on our threadripper build
Yeah, lame that they didn't elaborate.
Holy hell I could SEE the lag from the Apple Mouse FROM VIDEO.
I switched to PC 20 years ago when apple Promac was heaping price of 5K and stopped giving a keyboard and mouse. They charged extra for that. Not disappointed in switching.
I toyed with the idea of going to Apple, thought better of it and stayed with Linux/PC.
How can human being with functional brain can even considerate going apple , there is nothing that makes it superior to competitors , oh it just works , you know what else just works pen and paper , eye hand coordination etc apple is joke
I decided to never buy anything from Apple when I heard they were charging people for iPod firmware updates back in around 2010.
It told me pretty much everything I needed to know about the company.
the last Apple product I owned was the iPod Touch 2, I ripped all my CDs to iTunes and put them on it until it quit working about 6 years ago.
@@JoeBob79569 Wait till you hear what Microsoft is charging OEM's and customers in form of Windows licenses today. Even after paying the license fees MS is displaying ads of random bloatware programs on the Start menu. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think every release of macOS has been free since 2013 and seems to be ad free.
When I bought my current 2017 27" iMac over six years ago, I had a very large budget other people's money to spend. I still did the RAM upgrade myself because their RAM prices are just bonkers. I also compromised and got a 1TB SSD instead of the 2TB that was an option.
18:00 "its running smooth"
oh thank god a double 4090 is playing a old game well :D
I just priced an almost exact clone of your Threadripper system from MainGear as a Blender 3D workstation and am going to order it this Tuesday after the electrician add a 220 socket to my office to handle the 1600 watt power supply. I am so happy you did this video. You just subsided all of my concerns about performance. Thank you!
How does the Windows pc perform in Logic Pro and Final Cut?
@@mich977f it has Ableton and Adobe Premiere.
@@mich977fLoL those are apple software, anyway most of the industry use premiere pro and davinci resolve
@@mich977f Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro is only for Mac systems.
@@mich977f Not sure I am building a Blender 3D specific work station. Never used Apple products, so never used those programs.
Linus singing Hey Ya was actually pretty good
Was looking for this and if not i was gonna make that comment😂. He really did that good didnt he😅❤
I love the you picked a Fractal Design case. I like the one without the transparent side more, looks better and I'm not into RGBs anyway. And I own stocks in the company, so I hope more buys them. =)
"Worst-case scenario will just drill some holes in the front". Was the most Cave Johnson statement I've ever heard.😂
@13:34 uhhh.... Linus sounded excellent when he sang that
How has nobody pointed out how good he just sang?!?
Outkast - Hey Ya!
Shhh... *Royalties...*
He seems to think he isn't a very good singer at all. Evidence: Dan and the Christmas Album
He is in denial about being in high school choir.
Exactly my thoughts! We need a single from Linus!
There's two comparisons to really make, here. You did one, which is "for a similar price, what can we get". I'd also like to have seen "if we try to target the same performance, what is the price". How much cheaper /is/ a pc that performs comparably to their boat anchor?
Half at most.
Probably hard to do as its really usecase depending
Other one is upgrade ability, you can just replace CPU or GPU, In apple products you are stuck with it.
I meant probably less than half. For example for 4k instead of a macbook pro m3 max with 64-96gb ram and 2-4-8tb for the same amount of money you could buy an Ipad pro 12.9, an Iphone 15 Pro Max and 2 notebooks (ryzen 7 for hackintosh or as they call it ryzentosh) with 64gb ram 4tb nvme EACH. And with similar performance to M1 as far as cpu. That would be faster and more productive (4 computing devices) than 1 single macbook pro m3 max with high specs... Iphone pro max in case one uses it for photo and videos. Othewise you could buy a second Ipad Pro instead...
OR for 4k total you could buy a I9-14900hx laptop with 96gb ram and 8tb nvmes (2x of 4tb gen4) with 4070 for windows, and 2 ryzen slower ones for ryzentosh with 64tb 4rb nvme each. 3 powerful (1 as fast as the m3...) laptops. 1 with Windows and 2 with Mac Os.
Productivity compared to a single Macbook pro m3 max would destroy it... not even close..
Love the banter between Elijah and Linus
Honestly it's too much, he's clearly coached to just pretend laugh at anything Linus says. I miss Taran and Emily (Anthony), they didn't just suck up to him the whole time.
@@Dathadorne "he's clearly". Don't state that if you have no proof. If you can't proove it don't share it.
Hey that's the same case I have! I like it just wish it wasn't tempered glass so i could get it engraved.
I knew he shaved, this isnt the first video with clean linus, and the sponsor segment still jumpscared me
I love how recently you've been putting out more chill less tryhard videos. Like this one. Great watch.
you do realize there was two 4090's in there right?
@@NerdyCanadian96 not the point of his comment, they have money, it's just more 'silly' in a good way
03:05 Those numbers are incorrect. TR has 80 PCIe lanes (plus 8 to the chipset), not 48. The latter number refers to the PCIe 5.0 lane count only.
I would be more interested in knowing how your homebrew compares to the HP Z8 Fury G5.
I can still remeber how Steve Jobs took pride in the fact, that Power Macs smoked more expensive PCs in benchmarks. Oh, how the times have changed...
Macs haven't had the price/performance crown ever since they switched to Intel
@@666Tomato666 tbf they had it briefly in 2021-2022 when Apple Silicon was fresh but the industry caught up really quick
@@unicornpoo7441 if you consider the CPU alone, but add actual usable amounts of memory and storage or consider GPU performance, and no, they haven't
@666Tomato666 they switch to Intel because powerpc processor isn't powerful like the apple ads made you think that is.
I remember... my hackintosh with mere core 2 duo e4300 put in the dust expensive dual g5 in 2007. How much is funny... because with a very cheap pc... running Mac os 10.4.8 (tiger) put a shame on expensive Mac pro g5 in that time.
@@TheOzBR I was talking about price/performance, not performance alone, please, a little bit of reading comprehension
Storage on the Mac Pro is kinda interesting. Dave's Garage has just done a video where he's put three PCIe SSDs into a Mac Pro in RAID0 for high speed, but cheaper than Apple, storage.
The concerning part about the price of the mac storage is that as far as I can tell, it's nowhere near as fast as those fabric rocket cores that they put in the competing PC, but it costs twice as much for no reason
Interesting? I don't think so; since the death of the Hackintosh there are no hobbyist Mac users left in existence now to care enough to call it interesting.
Today there are only 3 kinds of Mac users: Sensible, habitual, fashion victim. The first kind don't buy Mac's that aren''t laptops because, duh. The second kind buy Mac mini's, and if they have more money than they need maybe they buy Mac Studios to flex. The third kind buy everything Apple, all own the Apple deep sea immersion goggles and can't be reasoned with but it's their money and their loss.
But Hackintosh is not yet dead
Thanks for reppin the OG PC builders all the way to 2024, Linus! Been a fan since 2013, hoping there's many many more years to come!
Not sure about up in Canada but that 2mW PSU is going to require you get an electrician to install an industrial-grade outlet+line in whatever room you'd have such a beast set up in (as standard domestic outlets in the US are only rated to support 1800W).
I wouldn't say industrial grade. I had an electrician install a 240V line for mine and it wasn't exactly a big deal.
We just park similar machines where we have the washing machine. Those are usually 240V outlets
I'd imagine their office already has a lot of those built in.
According to Silverstone, it will run at 1650W @103-264V. The product label suggests it is basically a 1650W PSU that you can (maybe) push to 2050 if you feed it between 200 and 240v. From the specs it supports 90V to 264V. Actually, you probably wouldn't get 2050W. It appears to be intended for 2050W @208v, not 240v, which usually means derived from a 3-phase supply in the USA.
Receptacles are rated for voltage and amperage. The common ones you see in a home in the US are 15A because that's the cord that most things come with. However, 20A circuits can use 20A receptacles. "Industrial grade" refers to how physically sturdy the product is, not the volts and amps it can supply.
Linus managing to drop that 4090 without even touching it directly. Takes some skill
You don't need to spend $10,000 to kill a Mac Pro. Just need a glass of water....
You make money on it, or buy the slow M.2 Studio.
Need a fast Nic, or is Thunderbolt 4 enough ?
LINUS GETS PAID BY ADS, WHY SHOULD HE UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ?
You don't need a glass of water. You just need air that has a little bit of moisture in it.
@@lucasrem what?
@@RealCheesyBread Damn, overcompensating again.... lol
@@lucasremBro what are you saying
I thank linus for educating me on my first pc build i kinda screwed up a few times with the motherboard. Power supply and choice of ram. But this is not his fault it's because impulsive and impatience don't help when building a pc.
I'm one of the dozens that misses Windows Phone! And an interesting video would be to find a "budget" PC Pro that performs similar to the Mac Pro at a fraction of the price. Like what is the minimum specs you can use to get to the Mac Pro's performance.
14:36 one of the moments of all that for sure, he wont forget ever
If you've used magnes you would know that and point 2 When people figure out that naturally calcium (but it's really reactive so you rarely see it in it's clear form) is a metal they will lose their minds. In Polish there's no option to make a mistake as silicon is called "silicons" but Silica is called "Krzem" as the name comes from latin word "silex" which in Polish is "krzemień" (Flint in eng, found in sedimentary rocks as a silicon dioxide (SiO2) - which was already adopted so they shorted it from krzemień to krzem.
But that's the reason I also thought silicon==silica while reading and hearing English sources (I started learning English from yt and later, news, politics, yt comments since 2019 etc.). Not the best learning experience but we somehow got there, and I really believe I'm on C1/C2 reading/hearing level but writing/speaking at maybe B1/B2?
When there were shortages of silica I was really flabbergasted that polymer that we make chemically can run out without chemical shortages (No I didn't know yet that even silicon is made out of silica and other chemicals, as I said for me it was the same stuff)
a) How do we have that of a shortage of human-made through chemistry made material
b) How tf it is that good at making CPUs and GPUs that good?
// IT ALL REMINDED ME OF FUN STORY, I COULDN'T BELIEVE MY EYES AND EARS
It reminded me of 23-30 yo tik-tok boy saying: "OMG GUYS I'M SO STUPID, TO THIS DAY THAT IRON IN CEREAL IS NORMAL IRON "FILINGS" " (i mean not kinds metal shavings from nearest construction site/production hall, and tinkering guy's garage. But yes, it's FDA approved and typical Kellogg cereal have amount of iron less than 4g for 100g, compared to 12g in 100g of in a chicken liver or 18g in 100g of beef liver (AND 25G IN 100G OF OX TONGUE (ox is just a name nowadays it's all beef cow). Yes, yes it is my little pampered child which comments also said him that they are what they claim they are not, even Hank Green had to do short explaining that..
I don't know how people can be so sure and ignorant putting a statement that 60% teenagers could deem it batacrap insane. Also Iron (especially in metal form, not bonded to bond in our organism, which is needed for circulatory system, because hemoglobin (red blood cells) need Fe to be built (remember, we lose all of our cells every 7 years, cell who doesn't want to die and refuses to do so is cancerous, so next time think about it and give your cancerous cells best day of their life so they can go in peace. They are just lil' guys who are afraid to die, tell them that even the smallest of the small are welcome in the kingdom of the god or w/e your imaginary friend is! Fe is VERY important in our diet, especially in kids and adults that wish they were kids (me too buddy :( ) while cereal is the only thing they want to eat oftentimes. I was anemic (luckily not anything serious) but quality of life went up A LOT.
Are we just going to ignore Linus perfectly belting out that "Hey Yeah"?! lol
Is the point of a second 4090 just to add cost or does a second gpu actually add performance to this build?
Blender supports dula GPUs probably
only matters in hyper specific applications like blender and to show how bad of a value the mac pro is
11:41 come on, that apple pie joke was spot on. Give him some credit.
Honestly seeing Elijah is really cool for viewers because a lot of us simply aren't as knowledgeable in this stuff, and are perhaps novices/beginners. Seeing Elijah feels like we're watching ourselves interact with Linus/ other LTT tech crew
"But what about Final cut and ECOSYSTEM" - what a burn.
At 3:07 when comparing a Threadripper Pro to a non Threadripper Pro there is no such thing as "Ryzen Threadripper 7975x". Only the Pro version of that model exists. I'm assuming they meant to type "Ryzen Threadripper 7970x"
12:46 actually yes I do miss the Nokia Windows phone. That OS was clean AF!
Finally, an AI brings to linus his beard back. we need to keep developing this AI
I know this is said as a joke, but that's just pre-shave Linus. I swear they need to just put the calendar date clearly in every shot or people won't know how long these videos take to make...
The real title for this vid should be Linus roasting the new Mac for 20 minutes straight
When making a Mac Pro Killer etc. it would make sense to find a case that would mimic the looks of the Mac as well. If we truly want to assert the dominance of PC, we need to show Mac users that PC can look good too. Hereunder use a smaller form factor case than this one
Someone at LMG also loved Windows phones?! Very excited to see that small community represented at LMG 😄
I'm here! Lumia 1020 was sweet, that camera... And I still use launcher named Square Home to get my android closer to the great UI that Lumia had: Information dense and compact, but still very readable. I have like over 40 apps on my home screen and it's not bothersome at all, opposite really.
I think something that is very important to note is that Apple M chips do not have AVX-512, and actually don't have AVX at all. This makes a huge difference in code that can be vectorized which significantly reduces computation time. So while the M chips seem to perform a certain way in benchmarks like cinebench and geekbench, in actual AVX workloads they will be significantly slower than a CPU that supports AVX, AVX2, or even better AVX-512 like Zen4 supports.
this is fine. no one that buys an apple actually has a work load. they buy them so they can sit in star bucks using social media and feeling smug while sniffing their own farts. the chip only needs to support one instruction set, and that is to show the apple logo on the screen, not just the back of the screen.
@@iris4547Nope, we buy them to have nice machine to connect with our compute clusters. If you have a real load then you do not have a box under your desk, you have racks of servers somewhere where you do not have to see and hear them.
Afair only Intel had avx512 anyway, and they're phasing it out too?
@@nujuat No they aren't. Avx-512 is only getting bigger. All AMD zen4 CPUs now have avx-512 support.
Edit: and regular consumer Intel CPUs do as well, the problem is that the e cores are from an older architecture that doesn't, so only the p cores support it.
@@iris4547I would never buy a Mac, but I also wouldn't lie this bad. Plenty of people do "real" work (whatever that means) on one
I would love to see a built like this that uses an Ampere ARM CPU. That way you could take the fight right to the M-series in a more "native" apples to arms comparison.
Nothing would run on it though. I don't think these applications they ran as benchmarks are available for it.
@tripplefives1402 Cinebench 2024 supports the Windows on ARM platform. Blender currently has a limited feature set on WOA but is progressing.
With that 384 gbs of ram, running 10 linux distros on top of windows using a hypervisor is going to be fun af
5:20 Unified memory is cool, but 16GB on any M chip feels closer to 10 or 12 after your GPU starts to gobble up your memory.
I am consistently running out of memory on my work M1 where the same tasks on an Intel chip have never run out of memory.
You can blame electron apps and chrome, but still.
beardless linus caught me of guard
the Pre Steve clean linus ?
15:10 my PhD in chemistry is screaming
8:39 My HEART DROPPED
I'm watching this video on my PC within a Define 7 XL case and wondering why Linus was suggesting to drill holes to "solve" the airflow problem when he can just open and remove the front door?
The front looks really cool without the door, and the airflow is wonderful
'Hey Apple, is your eight terabytes equivalent to our 16 terabytes?' almost made me spit my drink into my screen :)
Apple would probably respond something along the lines of: "Our 8 terabytes are so secure they are kind of like 16 terabytes in RAID1 on a PC"
bro droped the 4090!
pretty sure this wasn't the first time he dropped a 4090
I've recently built a dual 4090 system with two MSI Suprim Liquid X cards and I'm only getting 56000 in CB24. Massive difference to your 65000. Were they both on stock settings? We all felt that they were underperforming somewhat from expectations.
I see a younger version of myself as Elijah and Im glad hes joined LTT. One of my new favorites!!
linus drop tips is gonna have a field day with this one
The new Mac Pro is indeed an overpriced disappointment. The price-performance ratio is just not justified, especially when compared to a custom-built PC.
Yeah exactly as this video just showed
I would like to see a PC already built for the same price as the MAC pro. Yea you can cherry pick your components and build something better. But let’s test off the shelf.
@MrTruffles20
Here's a few:
ThinkSystem SR665 at $4,159.74
ThinkSystem SR860 at $5,882.37
PowerEdge R760xa starting at $29,658.98
PowerEdge T550 starting at $5,189.00
AS-4125GS-TNRT with pricing at request, but you can safely assume it will be 10K plus
At the price point of the Mac Pro, you are comparing against enterprise products with enterprise support
@@MrTruffles20 Well a pre-built pc from a company like Scan for example is going to not be that much more expensive than the parts themselves.
That outro segue was the best in a long time
MSI is sponsoring a video featuring a competitors motherboard
15:00 don't worry Elijah, it was a long time before I realised they're different too.
I like how Linus acknowledged "Segue" and "Segway" sounds way too similar.
A test idea for such workstation comparisons. Deploying a LLM model and training it. How fast it does.
After being Mac Pro until begin 2023, I am happy to see that this video confirms that my choice to go for a 'normal' PC running on Linux was a good choice.
And the fact that I can now expand memory or change the videocard or even something basic as expanding my SSD size is just great!
Actually super happy seeing Dusk being shown off in this video. Great game that needs more attention!!
"it sounds like it's barely doing anything! Wait..." Gold 😂
"it's a song"
"I don't get it"
I've never felt so old.
Id love to see a comparison between the mac pro and this same pc in linux. Hopefully with real world workloads instead of synthetic ones.