I don't think that statement should be taken literally as destructive power. Destroying planets has very limited scope on what it would accomplish. The Force can influence minds, change the tide of a battle, or look into the future. These can all be more significant than destroying planets.
Nihilus was a weird case. The longer he existed, the stronger he became, and the more he consumed, the stronger he became, but likewise the longer he lived and the more he consumed, the more powerful his hunger grew too. Had he defeated the exile somehow then went on to devour the whole galaxy, he'd have become an unstoppable walking black hole. Kreia did mention that if he wasn't stopped soon, his power would grow beyond what even a wound in the force like the exile could ever hope to neutralize. All that said, his power was not in any way a strength since it was his master. Good thing Nihilus was dumber than a sack of rocks and easily manipulated, cause adding intelligence to power like that would cause a, slight, problem.
Should Nihilus have been smarter, or rather had posessed a stronger will, he would have ceased the use of power or limied it to special occasions. Like Darth Bane sought get rid of the Orbalisks making him nearly invincible, when he found that they begin to control him more than he controls them.
That's a casual large building feat... Vader himself is city level at most without any rituals or amps (btw Mustafar itself is an amp or at least that cave where Vader build his castle on). With amps and rituals he sits around continental (destruction all around the cave during "bleeding" ritual in Dark Side cave) and maybe multi continental. Another feat that's wanked beyond belief is Vader holding an interdimensional rift open for a few seconds. Yes he did that but not by himself, the rift was opened by the castle (because that's it's original purpose) so it's not something he can do in a fighting scenario. Vader saying that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of The Force holds no value just like Cell saying "I have enough energy to blow up a Solar System" feats or it didn't happen. Vader was probably referring to the influential power The Force grants, shure you can destroy a planet but a simple duel of Force Sensitives in a small room will decide the fate of the galaxy and you can't do shit about it.
Would have been a lot better, since the old republic is canon and even added into one of disneys mobile games, that snoke uses the force to kill the planets instead of the ghost of episode 4
I don't even call it Starkiller Base, I just call it galaxy reset button 0274 (other, more interesting/justifiable ones include the Halo Array and Reapers). *Edit:* And now apparently Star Destroyers can now blow up planets...
Funny that you brought up Firebenders. I saw a thread once that had Sidious and Nihilus vs Ozai and Azula. Someone tried to say that the Sith wouldn’t win. Needless to say, I had a pretty good laugh that day.
Btw, the force is also able to create and manipulate fire, plus force lighting. Sidious and Nihilus could perfectly contain themselves and play the same game... And still win lol
@Gabe Clark You're comparing someone who can destroy an entire star system(Darth Sidious) versus someone who can destroy a moon(Naruto)...the gap between their power is light-years apart.
There are even force oriented tribes with abilities that manipulate the 4 elements just like the airbender anime. Although I’m not sure if they are legends cannon or whatnot. I heard about them in a video either about different uses of the force or a video on other force related sects
Director krennic just drop all of Disney canon. because they rehash legends and steal from it. Only study legends because that’s the one with the old republic.
Legends Luke: god-tier badass that made everyone who faced him shit their pants and find a new home 6 feet under the ground Canon Luke: Hiding on a remote world like a little pussy .... Can we have Legends Luke back please?
Nihilius would be more suited for landmass destruction as his Force Hunger could only destroy the life on the planet. Also I’m sure if focused enjoy he could have destroyed entire planets from the inside out
Starkiller base the combination of all things disgusting and terrible within the Canon of the new Star Wars trilogy hopefully some brave soul will come perhaps in 20 years to right the wrongs in the franchise, and consider these movies no longer Cannon.
I love coming to these neckbeardy Legends videos and reading this comments. All of this nonsense you're talking was never Star Wars lmao.. It was fanfiction that George Lucas himself never considered canon and for good reason. Star Wars isn't supposed to be pseudo-Dragon Ball and never will be. @@OnePiece-yy1lu
While I definitely don’t want them to sacrifice good story telling to do so, I wish the movies would give more powerful scenes in some cases. We have the technology to do it now! Enjoyed this video.
Kemet Comics dude we're talking about a movie franchise that use the same plant busting machine in every movie except the prequels I think we can let us slide
The force isn't a superpower though, it shouldn't be used as one either. The films state that is just an energy that binds us not some power from DBZ. I'm happy that these over powered powers are non canon.
I would like to see some bigger displays of power for sure, however I don't really want the Jedi to turn into like marvel characters I rather they were more of unstoppable 1v1 but in larger scale fights less so... other then rare cases of course. **edit talking of force users vs mundanes of course
I think DE Palpatine can destroy a planet with his Force Storm at maximum power. And Darth Nihilus and Vitiate can drain all life from a planet, basically turning it into an empty husk. Those are the only dark-siders I can think of. For the Jedi, I can't think of anyone. Grandmaster Luke is probably one of the most powerful characters in Star Wars, but I can't think of any techniques of his that can destroy or leave a planet dead.
Logan Smith We all saw how canon Palpatine destroyed a planet through Tarkin and the Death Star. Yes, he had men and technology to do the work but ultimately it was on his orders and the Death Star was his idea anyway so I say that counts.
Logan Smith Well, Vitiate couldn't destroy full planets. Nathema was made by Zildrog and for Ziost he ned the full chaos of the war. He ned this for destroying Ziost. Probably he has used a ritual before it.
25:17 That's 1352.8 times the speed of light. moving that much mass that quickly has more than planet killing potential. That's star destroying potential
Rey can without even training in the force. Kathleen Kennedy can destroy the entire star wars universe. Wait until the next star wars movie. It will be the nail in the coffin. :((( so sad star wars is ruined.
"i could just say yes or no to the Jedi or Sith destroying a planet, but that would be to easy" yeah and i would be trying to watch a video near movie length to find out jk seriously i love the length of your uploads cause their pure quality keep up the good work!
I feel that Disney would have been better served making CGI unabridged versions of the many novels of what is called Legends it wouldn't cost a lot Disney could easily spin these out and Lucasfilm already has CGI ready to go and the same director from both Rebels and Clone Wars series.
antwan1357 a series following all of the events of Legends (100,000 BBY-138 ABY) in later Clone Wars style animation would make them rich. Each episode should be 45 minutes and try its best to stay true to the lore and the story. Filler is always needed when doing stuff like this but I'm open to it. I'm well aware that a series explaining this much lore would take over a dozen seasons but it'd be well worth it since fans would be fed artistic and great storytelling (92% of it) and Disney's media wallet would get fat af ! Kids will be buying all the Legends characters faster than you can produce them 😂😂😂
@Thor's Hammer No... they couldn't. Your bargain basement force users, even your more bargain basement ones... really, really, REALLY couldn't stand up to Astartes who genuinely wanted them gone, rigid as the Codex Astartes is. Imperial Guardsmen, maybe, but actual Space Marines? You could make a better case that SPARTANS stand a better chance against Space Marines... and even with the upgrades in Halo 5 and the fact that Spartans canonically fight significantly more competently than jedi more consistently, they get turned into chunky salsa and quick.
VunderGuy "Heh my a**" - Marine from Halo 2. Oh I'm sorry but I don't see Space Marines destroying Mountains and Planets like Force users and their ships aren't that impressive.
Well, I mean, if you want to start playing with Space Magic, then you have to deal with a Librarian ripping open a hole into the Warp. Now the Jedi is being munched on by Daemons. I think that most of this argument, as usual, comes from people comparing apples and oranges. Considering the admittedly absurd levels of the standard Space Marine, I will state, and stand by, the sentiment that a Knight level Jedi (Sit down Anakin, stop screwing up my generalizations) would be slaughtered by pretty much any Space Marine (Lets keep to melee combat). They are relatively evenly balanced on most theaters. Force speed and strength vs natural speed and strength. Precognition vs near precognitive reflexes. The advantages a Jedi has, and there are a few, just don't match up to the toughness of an Astartes. As has been eloquently put, if you cut a Space Marine's arm off, he isn't going to slow down. He will just pick it up and beat you to death with it. Obviously, this comparison starts to fail as you get stronger and stronger. I wouldn't favor even the peak of a Chapter vs someone on Mace Windu, or even Obi-Wan levels. A Council Master could hand a Marine his Power Armored ass. It would be difficult, and he would have to be careful, but yeah, he could do it. But if you want to just slap down the "Force Powers" card, you have to accept that you have opened the floor to Chaos, and all the gribblies in the Warp to gnaw of your Jedi's celibate testicles. Tl;Dr: 40k wins, because 40k is DESIGNED to be ludicrously over the top. Everything about the setting was intended to be hyperbolic and extreme. Comparing like combatants will almost always see other sci-fi come up short, because its meant to. 40k is a silly universe, for all that it proports to be grim-dark. If you dont belive me, try to imagine an Ork Waaagh!!! rampaging through Star Wars. They would get butchered. And come back. And get butchered. And come back. Until they kill the planet by being too damn stubborn to stay dead.
They could handle generic Space Marines, but it's debatable if they could fight Librarians or other psykers. Also Jedi power levels are extremely inconsistent: kind of like Superman. They're just as high as they need to be for the purpose of the story that's being told. The jedi as depicted in for example the battle of Geonosis in the prequels definitely wouldn't be able to hold off a Space Marine Chapter. They had trouble with just a bunch of cans.
I doubt at the very least that palpatine during the original trilogy was able to destroy planets. Simple reason: He wouldn't have needed a death star, if he could. Of course, I may be overlooking something here.
I'd like to think he could, but wanted to make sure that if he was off studying other Sith stuff or whatever, Vader or someone else could do it without him
@@inspectorbutters166 No. In the movie even the Imperial officers doubted the existence of the Force, calling it nothing more than a sad devotion to an ancient religion, until Vader gave them a demonstration. Han called it hokey and no substitution for a blaster. That was the real goal of the Emperor, to totally eradicate the memory of the Jedi from the Galaxy. And with it knowledge of the Force. It's often hinted that the Jedi and the Force are nothing more than myth in the post RotS galaxy. Besides, the emperor has no time to dabble in such menial tasks as patrolling the outer territories. That's what the military is for.
Without an amp, hell yeah its possible. Brakiss causing supernovas, and GM Luke manipulating artificial black holes comes to mind in terms of beyond planet busting capabilites. Screw planetbusting, Starbusting is a bigger question. Which I say hell yeah!
Rob George Yeah if Anakin, Palpatine and Luke were suppose to beyond any force user they should be planet buster+ considering people weaker than them could bust planets it's like DBZ whenever they say "Hey they never destroyed a planet" I would reply with "Dude people bellow them destroy planets and why would they destroy planets?"
+397 Llederson Def agree. I mean Luke manipulates black holes and Palp causing wormholes alone is well beyond large planet destructive capacity. Could they pull it off ala DBZ style? Idk, don't remember anything like that.
Lockjaw Palpatine before TPM was toying with the idea to destroy a building casually and that was before TPM before ATOC and before ROTS even before he killed Plaguies that made him stronger so yeah he is doing something like that casually when others struggle with that how is that weak? Anakin has feats to suggest he is close to Yoda and Palpatine so him reaching his full potential doesn't matter if he has feats to suggest he is close to planetary beings
Lockjaw That was when Mace finally understood. He had it. The key to final victory. Palpatine's shatterpoint. The absolute shatterpoint of the Sith. The shatterpoint of the dark side itself. Mace thought, blankly astonished, Palpatine trusts Anakin Skywalker... Now Anakin was at Mace's shoulder. Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face. Palpatine's eyes glowed with power, casting a yellow glare that burned back the rain from around them. "He is a traitor, Anakin. Destroy him." "You're the chosen one, Anakin," Mace said, his voice going thin with strain. This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade. "Take him. It's your destiny." --Taken from Revenge of the Sith Yeah yeah whatever
I love when Star Wars fans downplay their favourite characters only to the pathetic levels shown in the movies,shows the old truth that no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
I can't believe there are living mountains in the New Canon and its supposed to be taken seriously! At least Mount Sorrow wasn't actually a living mountain as it was just seen as a spirit through the eyes of the Ewoks in their mythology.
@@jotaroisbestboy7593You're wrote it like every character in fiction can destroy. Aside from comics or some crazy manga, most franchise stay lower than Planet level.
What about jedi master Shaak Ti when she was in hiding during/after order 66 and she was pretty much signal handedly keeping the entire planet from falling to the dark side. Showcased by the fact that when she died the entire planet fell into darkness. I say that’s pretty near planet level feats.
If Yoda had had the oneness with the Force Dorsk had and was being boosted by the entire Jedi Council (let's say the Council as it was after Obi-Wan was added), I think he would've been able to take out the entire galaxy.
My thoughts about Jerec being a casual star buster, I do think yes. Here are my thoughts: The reason why Kyle Katarn didn't get his ass pwned by Jerec despite him being near to the Force Nexus in the Valley Of The Jedi, it's because Jerec isn't finishing up to absorb the Valley of the Jedi's power. Not to mention, there is Brakiss manipulating a Star and he had the potential to make a supernova. Of course, it would make logical sense for Valley Of The Jedi Amped Jerec to be more superior to Brakiss.
Vader would crush Jerec, with the Valleys power or not. Dooku would crush Jerec. Maul would likely crush Jerec too. Jerec isn't a powerfull dark side user, not even a sith lord he's just an ambitious inquisitor, same way as Carnor Jax was an ambitious royal guard, nithing more.
I only recently found out they were called "droidekas" and not droidy-cars. In the movies and videos games it's just what my brain always heard and it made sense, even if it's a little goofy. Hey, I was 14, give me a break. 😄😂
Sidious levitated the super star destroyer Lusankya and buried it in coruscant and after he wiped the mind of billions if not trillions of coruscanti residents. Just another day to the most powerful sith in history.
@@Fulcron13 And he was so powerful that it took the spirits of all the jedi that ever existed to trap Darth Sidious in the underworld once and for all, if it wasn't for that he would come back again.
@@Fulcron13 People think that star wars is just tv and movies with actors and they don't have the curiosity to read books, comics or even search the wookiepedia. My problem with star wars is that they focus on the ordinary and not the extraordinary, they forget about magic and fantasy and just stay with science fiction.
@@Fulcron13 Not sure, if you read this. But, do you know Supernatural Encounters: The Trial and Transformation of Arhul Hextrophon? It's a new legends novella that showcases the creation of an entire universe with the Force. I could give out the link to the novella. www.starwarstimeline.net/Supernatural_Encounters.htm
Gosh who would dislike this video? So much time, effort, facts, and information provided here. Well done master Evan, well done. Instantly liked this video the second I saw it.
She's no match for my power. I'm a star to solar system buster in marvel on a average day and some may say a universal buster if you'll talking about the most powerful versions of me.
+EvanNova95 Part 2: In this part I'm going to look at 2 things. 1st, is the Dorsk 81 feat an outlier. 2nd, I'm going to my thoughts on your values (which btw I mostly agree with). 1) For those who have no idea what I'm talking about, an outlier (in terms of vs battle stuff) describes feats that defy the scale or reality of a verse. An example of this is when Master Roshi destroyed the moon during the budokai tournament in DB because its confirmed Goku and Piccolo are stronger than Roshi and they are citybusters. The KE output of Dorsk is not a problem here because he has the oneness amp, 30 students amp, and the destructive capacity of his feat has been exceeded by others. The reason I'm considering this feat being an outlier is the velocity. In part 1, EvanNova95 found the average velocity of the Star Destroyers to be 7,456,450,000 mph which after a unit conversion is roughly 3333331408 m/s which is 33.3333108 x10^8 and the speed of light is about 2.998 x (10^8) m/s. That means (low-end), Dorsk 81 propelled those Star Destroyers at a velocity that is roughly 11.119 times FTL. I believe the only way to exceed the speed of light in the SW setting is to go into hyperspace. If that is the case, then this feat could be considered an outlier on the basis that the velocity of the Star Destroyers falls outside the given physics of the SW verse. Then again, if there are other instances of FTL travel that occurs outside of hyperspace, then this feat is not an outlier. 2) I'm going to check the values that EvanNova95 got section by section. 1) Mass: This was always a pain since no source gives an exact mass of what an empty star destroyer is like and you did an excellent job. I have no problem with using a Nimitz-Class Nuclear aircraft carrier as a base for calculating the mass. The one thing I don't think you totally accounted for is the mass of the crew (which I don't think means a lot but I'm doing this because I can). While you did consider the mass of a full platoon, according to starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_I-class_Star_Destroyer/Legends, the total number of people on board a Star Destroyer is 46,700. I'm fine with using Han Solo as an average mass of each person but that means we have to add the following mass. Total Mass (of officers/crew)= 37,000 x (176.37 LBS =(rounded value) 80 kg) x17 ships Total Mass (of officers/crew)=50,320,000 kg So I think Dorsk 81 was moving a total of 8,336,262,301.2495995 kg + 50,320,000 kg=8386582301.2495995 2) Distance traveled: So the general assumption Ive done for planets in the SW universe that lack official stats on it, is to assume properties are that of Earth unless something indicates that it isn't. I thought with how important/popular the Yavin system is in the lore we would have a stat on the length of the system but we don't. The main issue with assuming that the Yavin system is the same size of our solar system is that Yavin Prime (the gas giant/planet that has the greatest orbital period in the Yavin system) has an orbital period of 4818 std days which is about 11.364 years (source: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yavin_Prime) while Pluto has an orbital period of 248.09 Earth years (source: www.livescience.com/33390-pluto-first-complete-orbit.html). I am aware of the math used to compute the size of our solar system and how much of a pain in the ass it would be to do here. So for now, I'm skeptical of distance the Star Destroyers traveled and assume it is way smaller. 3) I agree with the time. I'm low ending this and lets assume 45 seconds (because a matter of seconds would be between 5-10 seconds which is just plain ridiculous at this point). Part 3 will get done when I finally figure out what I'm using for distance traveled and why.
Some errors and misunderstandings of source material throughout, but overall, in the big picture... this was a good and welcome video, man. Also, if YOU want to do a video on Jerec and the Valley of the Jedi, go ahead; don't rely on fan-feedback to do what YOU want to create for your channel (though it's of course fine to let it influence how you shape your channel). I'm sure plenty of people will watch the video regardless of if they asked for it or not.
Here are some feats you forgot (Which I calc to be contient busting level): Thon containing energies of Lake Nath Yarel Poof saves the world from the Infant Dark Plague casually manipulating naboos weather.
static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4599870-galen.png "A cunning warrior who's skill with the lightsaber was *MATCHED* by his sheer brutality when harnessing the power of the Force."
50:00 - 58:17 *Planet life sucking* 58:24 - 1:03:40 _Supernova dissection and items* __1:01:14__ _Supernova Sith_ 1:03:43 - 1:08:08 _Twin Blue star feat explained._ 1:08:09 - 1:12:30 *Darth Nihilis and Vistius Planet sucking talk* 1:12:46 *LOVELY PICTURE!* 1:14:52 *Force small atom* 1:1738 - 1:18:54 *Shatterpoint* 1:18:55 - 1:20:20 *Alter Environment* Amazing video my dude, plus that ending quote you said. Simply brilliant, _May the Force be with you mate._
The fact that the ability to manipulate and detonate stellar cores is a learnable skill under Sith Sorcery just goes to show the crazy destructive potential of a powerful sith lord if they're well read and angry enough.
25:15 907, 249,000,000 Mph by my calculations is over 1352 times the freaking speed of light, which is a meesly 670,616,629 mph. That's probably like sending those Star Destroyers through Hyperspace with the Force ALONE!!! This is so powerful that it literally breaks the laws of Physics, This dude in this state with all of those students could destroy the Supremacy 1000 times over, get out of hear Admiral HOLDO with your lightspeed ramming a Jedi could do it better!!!! That's insane
They wouldn't have only left the solar system, but the Galaxy. The inertial energy would be enough to overload any dampeners onboard and turn every living thing on those ships into paste. That's if the ships don't break apart and vaporise themselves from the extreme acceleration.
In defense of evanova, when the hadron super collider makes or supposedly makes miniature black holes and the planetary governments are concerned about that microscopic black hole turning our planet into dust. I think Evan Nova is completely correct that Luke Skywalker and kip Durron are freaking insane in their power level to be able to manipulate even a shield generator size black hole. And all you haters I study astronomy I know what I'm talking about.
0:00 - Start of the video 4:31 - Non-Planetary, but still highly destructive. Army-Destruction 14:51 - Landmass-Destruction 22:06 - Part 2: Implict Planetary-Destruction I’ll come back later, 1:10:47
To all the people that think a force user cant destroy a planet do you people nit realize that in star wars literally anything and everything is possible with The Force if the user is powerful enough I know theres those star wars fans thaf will hate what im about to say but its true the force is basically a SuperPower that has unlimited potential and is capable of anything imaginable
Still convinced that star Wars would win against 40k Edit. Sorry meant against the Imperium of man Eldar and Tao, everything lease would chew through them just like they chew through everything else
This is why Kyp is my favorite NJO Jedi. The dude has more power than Luke Skywalker, lifting a Black hole with minimal effort. That combined with his rise, fall and redemption all the way to the council makes him one of my favorites from the first and best Star Wars Universe.
I agree luke states himself that kyp has more potential in the force but I think if they both fought I still think luke would somehow win he is a legendry master in all forms of Saber combat and is still very powerful in the force he also has alot of experience as well but kyp is definitely powerful being able to go toe to toe with the strongest jedi in history if not the strongest force user
Mitch O'Brien If you talking about Sidious and master Luke,yes I agree with you but not as easy as you think.In the Naruto verse we have Kaguya who have created dimensions that contains Sun in it and She was about to destroy one of her dimensions. The same goes with Momoshiki who also created dimension as stated by the novel. Not to mention Narutoverse got Toneri otsutsuki that was capable of splitting the moon in half and sent them toward the Earth in an immense speed. Naruto and Sasuke created a moon in their fight with Kaguya and also Madara who is almost as strong as the Sage of Six Path who created a moon when he is at his deathbed.They can maybe beat the verse but with high difficulty.Abeloth can maybe defeat them with mid difficulty considering how strong she is others than that no Star Wars characters can defeat the verse. That's just my opinion though.Sorry for my bad english
The ability to destroy a planet comes with the power of the Force. The Jedi would’ve realized that if they had put down their teacups and training remotes and had ACTUALLY OPENED THEMSELVES TO BOTH SIDES OF THE FORCE.
For the potential things, you have Brackis' relaxation method in the YJK series while he was headmaster of the Shadow Academy...manipulating nebulas and stars from across the galaxy. Another is the entire thing with the Maw where several of the Jedi that hid there could manipulate the black holes there.
The ability Shan used does both according to legends. It can amplify or be used instead of calling on further. Luke kinda says as much in legends I,Horn. Corran uses it to save another padawan. In the thermal pools. He asborbs the thermal energy and uses it to create a sheild for the student. But it can backfire if all the energy isn't used. Imo that means a force user must be able to channel such energies to begin with in order to make use of all amping. So Shan could do that on her own. She just drew the power from somewhere other than the force that particular instance.
I saw the title in my notifications, and I was immediately like; "Yeah they can, easily." Force-wielder are much stronger than they're given credit for. Valkorion wiped out a galaxy with the Nathemic ritual in the Sith Warrior story. The Outlander (Darth Nox version) can channel Valkorion's spirit from the Force walk and amp herself to the point that she could probably wipe out galaxies with ease. Then there's Luke and Sidious, both more powerful than Nox who would have at least galaxy levels of power. And even then there's beings like The Ones, Abeloth and Force Priestesses who would make Luke, Sidious, Nox, Valkorion, Yoda, Caedus, anyone around that level look like children with the Force.
Looking back on this a year later, yeah, busting universes is child's play. There's so many people in the verse that have caused ripples through the Force, or been described as an embodiments of the Force, and Star Wars Infinities showed that there is an entire multiverse that the Force exists through.
Why didn't you include feats like Yarael Poof containing a bomb that would of destroy Coruscant or Palpatine causing stars to flare and realigned constellations after he killed Plagueis?
Just wanted to add, for Kun, that the hypothetical amount of energy needed to convert his spirit may be huge, but it's also highly concentrated in a few square feet of space. Disperse that force across a planet, and while it's going to be potent, it's not going to be nearly as destructive. It's the same idea as PSI when striking an object--strike with a broad fist and you hit a large area with a strong blow. Strike with a single point, and you hit a tiny area with a devastating blow. Dispersion of Kun's power from the energy in which it was concentrated lessens its impact, on a decreasing exponential scale based on how much dispersion is possible. In the case of this, an entire planet's surface and subsurface, I'd say it's perfectly reasonable that the concentrated power Kun was gathering would result in that outcome. I'd wager that the amount of energy it takes to make a planet's entire living surface combust, when compacted into a tiny space like Kun did, would be more than enough to change a person-sized bundle of molecules at a fundamental level. In other words, I'm a nerd.
you need to do more research on exar kun he was more powerful than vader and dooku, he not only mastered all lightsaber form but also had lightsaber skills from tulak hord who was a better duelist than vader and dooku, exar kun had the ability of acknowledge absortion and power absortion, he possessed the dark holocrom which was the most powerful holocrom in sith history he had acknowledge of over 10,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills ect, exar was physically more gifted than dooku and vader, exar kun escalate above naga sadow which papaltine was scared to perform his rituals and archemy, kun was more powerful in the force than nadd and naga sadow both sith were easily star booster, and kun destroyed nadd spirit before his prime, exar kun tanked force sever from his master who had 400 years of experience in the light side of the force and kun easy overpowered him, kun defeat a jedi master who tanked the explosion of over 10 supernovas and was amped by a light nexus of an entire planet, and kun one shot him, exar kun mastered sith archemy rituals and sith magic from marka ragnos tulak hord ajunta pall naga sadow and freedon, vader was look for help from murr spirit which was weaker than exar kun spirit that was drained and depleted by the wall of light created by over 1000 jedis using force sever and preps, kun defeat prime luke Skywalker who was estate to 2 times more powerful than the luke Skywalker from dark empire, which was more powerful than vader, Leia which was a force harmony master States that exar kun spirit was more powerful than luke and about two times stronger than vader at the least kun break all luke Skywalker defensive skills that luke Skywalker learned from yoda and obi wan finally grandmaster luke Skywalker compared exar kun spirit to emperor papaltine reborn who was a multi galactic threat
Just pointing out, unless I am misunderstanding and you meant he was the most powerful at that time. Sidious was definitely not the most powerful sith. I think Vitiate has that covered
Vitiate was enourmously powerful. Definitely. We can't really know, though. 'Cause there certainly are other immensely powerful figures in the Galaxy. Freedon Naad, Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Darth Nihilus, Darth Bane... Perhaps, if any, Darth Nihilus. Seems the ancient Jedi and Sith were significantly stronger in the distant past.
But again, Vitiate easily beat the legendary Darth Revan, although Revan was only a Jedi knight at the time... Not fair when one of them is in his prime and the other is a fledgling.
“Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. I find your lack of faith disturbing.” - Darth Vader His words after the Death Star actualy destroying a inhabited planet. Something that is more then once mentioned in the Star Wars Franchise is that there is an always a shifting balance between the 'dark and bright side of the force' and that the force is constantly readapting to imbalances. In other words, every action wil have an eventual reaction. My personal interpretation is that Darth Vader was well aware that the significant imbalance the destructive force of the Death Star would eventualy also cause a shift in the balance of power that could become their downfall. Darth Vader eventualy doubting his own actions after being shown mercy by his enemies and good intent showed by loved onces and the malicious cruelty and thus eventualy turning against the Empire in the end to save his son and effort to make amends I consider part of the eventual shift in the balance of the force. That plus the fact Darth Vader probably could've probably single handedly taken down the Death Star as he is described as the stronger bearer of the force. Not to mention the 'promise' the Dark emperor made to Darth Vader being capable to ressurect a lost loved ultimately convincing Anikin to switch sides in the first place. That's going by the movies I've seen, from what I red the written story isn't completely aligned.
SW PL Also those are the words of someone who never really read the Old EU. There were some fanfic worthy materials (looking at you Crystal Star) but those are outliers. Besides the New Canon has literal time travel, they’re both insane because Star Wars, as a whole, is nuts.
New Trilogy is shitty Disney fanfic as well I never saied that it's better than Old EU, and by saying "everything after ROTJ" I don't mean EU as a whole but stories that take place far after ROTJ in timeline, SWTOR, KotOR, Bane Trilogy those are masterpieces and there are other good books as well but I just can't take IG-88 taking over Death Star, random Imperial Officer using Battle Meditation at Endor, Cloned Jedi Master, Luuke, Lumiya and whole "hands of the emperor" idea, don't get me wrong Mara Jade is awsome but it kinda doesn't fit into movies, Essence Transfer and Clones of Palpatine, the whole DBZ Powers like Force Storm or manipulating Black Holes, Jedi and Sith are Superhuman but this is just too much, Suncrusher, Yuuzhan Vong and their organic weapons and ships they just look like they come from diffrent universe than Star Wars altough they are better than Disney's Empire 2.0 known as First Order, Abeloth, and some other dumb things like Skippy Force Sensitive droid or Mount Sarrow, oh and let's not forget about Zombie stormtroopers
What's interesting about Nihilus is that he's not really a person any more. Someone with that much power can't be. This of course means he is the one in the Sith Triumvirate with least personality, but Kreia more than makes up with that.
As someone who studies Astrophysics I can say that past the Event Horizon has infinite gravity that not even the speed of light can escape. So being able to do anything with these Black Holes basically equates to infinite power. And if you go by the Gnab Gib theory that a Black Hole will destroy the Universe they can be considered Universe busters. I have a video explaining Black Holes if anyone would like more information.
Does anyone on the thread even care about basic physics in Sci-Fi. Like in Science-Fiction. Not much scientific reality in Star Wars. Just for the record, wiki states a human can generate up to 1.1 horsepower in spurts. And 0.1 horsepower in a constant state. Or 890 watts(1.1hp) to 75 watts (0.1 hp). So at the very maximum a Jedi could light-up a few incandescent light bulbs. By using the complexity of the human mind. Complex waveforms could be generated and used for complex tasks. Involving great mental skills to generate such complex EMF signals. But not at the power levels suggested in the above article. 75 watts is not enough to blowup a planet. But could make a nice reading lamp. Sorry.....but the above article is just silly as it ignores basic physics. Its Sci-Fi after all. Not outright Fantasy.
@@McBanditHope I had to look up "Sperging".......So I will be brief. The George Lucas version of the "Force" has some base in Science Fact. As there are some animals and fish that can sense Electrical and Magnetic fields. And others that can generate such fields like electric eels. So its a simple extension in human abilities to utilized such abilities. But Jar Jar Abrams extended the "Force" to include abilities that were both absurd and impossible. Just to make an impossible plot-point seem real if done by a "Force User". Pulled out of Jar Jar Abram's Reality deficient mind based on his plot whims. Like destroying entire Star Fleets using "Force Lightening". A power level that would incinerate a person if tried. Not even remotely possible using any science-fiction based ideas. No matter how far-fetched. All done to make Rey a super-duper Mary Sue. That can do anything using the "Force". Then the above article asked if a Jedi or Sith could blow up a planet using the "Force". The George Lucas answer is a simple "NO". But the Jar Jar Abrams answer, is which answer will make me the most money. When on the movie screen.
@@WilliamOPearce Question, what animal can levitate rocks and small spacecraft? Like, not trying to be (too) smart, I'd actually like to know. Both examples come from the OT, btw. Moreover, if George Lucas always meant for Force Users to be so mild, why, when the LucasFlim and the SW brand was under his control, greenlight a game where you play as a character who pulls a goddamn Star-Destroyer out of the Sky? (StarKiller, Force Unleashed) Why greenlight all of that EU material that depict Jedi and Sith as near Gods in the Flesh? That all had to go through him (or at least someone he approved of). You'd think he'd put a stop to after the first couple, or at least the first several. The Force is Space Magic, specifically, the ability to manipulate reality. If the Force is everywhere, and everything is The Force, than it is reality, and Force users manipulate it.
Sure they can. Sith *Picks up a rock and vaporizes it with his lightsaber. Picks up another rock and repeats. sighs* This might take a while.
Yes!
XD LIGHTSABERS LOL
lightsabers are now on par with the deathstar XD
Mean while Nihilus just walks across the surface and devours all life leaving it as ball of rock floating through space.
Tech if they vaporized a rock they did destroy the planet. Just not very much. XD
@@johnathanblackwell9960 hes just tryn to make a spirit bomb. I hear he was a big dbz fan xD
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of The Force."
- Darth Vader
This explain everything.
But who could use it on that scale
I don't think that statement should be taken literally as destructive power. Destroying planets has very limited scope on what it would accomplish. The Force can influence minds, change the tide of a battle, or look into the future. These can all be more significant than destroying planets.
What I you have both
@@analothor before watching it darth nihilus.
@@analothor Luke can since he has held a freaking black hole... A planet is nothing compared to a black hole.
Nihilus was a weird case. The longer he existed, the stronger he became, and the more he consumed, the stronger he became, but likewise the longer he lived and the more he consumed, the more powerful his hunger grew too. Had he defeated the exile somehow then went on to devour the whole galaxy, he'd have become an unstoppable walking black hole. Kreia did mention that if he wasn't stopped soon, his power would grow beyond what even a wound in the force like the exile could ever hope to neutralize. All that said, his power was not in any way a strength since it was his master. Good thing Nihilus was dumber than a sack of rocks and easily manipulated, cause adding intelligence to power like that would cause a, slight, problem.
Darth Nihilus
Dude, Sion is just as smart as you, and all it took to kill him was getting him calm for a second.
Honestly a smart Nihilus would be like another Revan
Should Nihilus have been smarter, or rather had posessed a stronger will, he would have ceased the use of power or limied it to special occasions. Like Darth Bane sought get rid of the Orbalisks making him nearly invincible, when he found that they begin to control him more than he controls them.
I always think Nihilus was a wound to lol that kind of power had to be from a wound in the force just a wound of the force in a person
Of course then he would’ve had to face aboleth and she would snap him in half without a second glance
Lets not forget the time that Vader wanted his own castle, and when he hated earlier designs, he casually smashed them to bits without even trying.
Then Momin literally came in like “Suh dude, here you go.”
@@sonsmurfin7593 ...His designs blew up a lot of times too, didn't they? Oh, and Momin is terrifying. He froze time in an area.
Don’t forget him casually empowering a city destroying weapon
And he was being sandbagged by a weaker Vader
That's a casual large building feat...
Vader himself is city level at most without any rituals or amps (btw Mustafar itself is an amp or at least that cave where Vader build his castle on).
With amps and rituals he sits around continental (destruction all around the cave during "bleeding" ritual in Dark Side cave) and maybe multi continental.
Another feat that's wanked beyond belief is Vader holding an interdimensional rift open for a few seconds.
Yes he did that but not by himself, the rift was opened by the castle (because that's it's original purpose) so it's not something he can do in a fighting scenario.
Vader saying that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of The Force holds no value just like Cell saying "I have enough energy to blow up a Solar System" feats or it didn't happen.
Vader was probably referring to the influential power The Force grants, shure you can destroy a planet but a simple duel of Force Sensitives in a small room will decide the fate of the galaxy and you can't do shit about it.
@@fly672 he was far more powerful than mere city level without amp my friend. Far more.
“Ughhhhh Starkiller Base”
My sediments exactly mate.
Would have been a lot better, since the old republic is canon and even added into one of disneys mobile games, that snoke uses the force to kill the planets instead of the ghost of episode 4
*sentiments
Harrison1875 I was going to point this out as well.
I don't even call it Starkiller Base, I just call it galaxy reset button 0274 (other, more interesting/justifiable ones include the Halo Array and Reapers).
*Edit:* And now apparently Star Destroyers can now blow up planets...
>sediments
>sentiments
r/iamverysmart
This makes beings like the Ones, Bedlam Spirts and the Wills even more frightening given how powerful mortal Force sensitives are capable of becoming.
Abeloth is no match for the High Ground.
Abeloth is no match for Darth Vader + a suit full of sand.
Rob George sand FTW
Albedo the high ground can defeat every character. Nothing can stand to the high ground
BUT WHAT IF ABELOTH HAD THE HIGH GROUND? AND OBI WAN HAD THE LOW GROUND? THEY WOULD FIGHT FOREVER! (See the obi wan copypasta about uneven ground)
And albedo's no match for Ben with the omnitrix
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
Assuming the force can create another universe would be a no limit fallacy making it Multiversal
@@abstraction6212 the force is nowhere near to universal
It would at least galaxy level
@@johnnywantyoudead5113 in your small mind yes
rule 1 of star wars: Don't encounter force users in dark alleys unless you are prepared
Samwise Jay Morgenstern, yes. Have full cortosis body armor and weapons, along with a ysalamiri on your person at ALL TIMES!
Funny that you brought up Firebenders. I saw a thread once that had Sidious and Nihilus vs Ozai and Azula. Someone tried to say that the Sith wouldn’t win. Needless to say, I had a pretty good laugh that day.
Btw, the force is also able to create and manipulate fire, plus force lighting. Sidious and Nihilus could perfectly contain themselves and play the same game... And still win lol
You don’t even need two Sith Lords again to Ozai and Azula
@Gabe Clark You're comparing someone who can destroy an entire star system(Darth Sidious) versus someone who can destroy a moon(Naruto)...the gap between their power is light-years apart.
There are even force oriented tribes with abilities that manipulate the 4 elements just like the airbender anime. Although I’m not sure if they are legends cannon or whatnot. I heard about them in a video either about different uses of the force or a video on other force related sects
@@calebgadison167 naruto is actually planetary get it right if you're gonna open your mouth.
Not one ad within this video
Coleman Trebor and yet I have had 4 videos in a 10 minute video
Evan Russell you mean 4 ads
@@thatfunkymonkey7667 yeah, thanks
Yesterday I got 2, 3 minute ads that were unskipable. For a 1 minute video
Which is good
Your general Grevious timeline inspired me to practically study all of Star Wars and I thank you sincerely for that.
Still his best video imo.
Thank you, that means alot.
Director krennic study only legends star wars. Don't read or watch Disney garbage canon star wars.
One Piece well it’s a bit late for that my friend but I do agree legends has the better stories and desired development
Director krennic just drop all of Disney canon. because they rehash legends and steal from it. Only study legends because that’s the one with the old republic.
Legends Luke: god-tier badass that made everyone who faced him shit their pants and find a new home 6 feet under the ground
Canon Luke: Hiding on a remote world like a little pussy
.... Can we have Legends Luke back please?
Watch Dragon Ball Z if you just want to see powerful characters fighting for the sake of fighting and lacking any substance or depth.
@@and8091 Way to crap on the EU while ignoring everything that made it great.
@@and8091 Oh sure like the sequels Luke had substance.
@@davidwebb1428 Green milk is a substance, if that counts somehow?
@@and8091 oh yes the substance of Disney Luke
Muh dude darth Jar Jar is a universe buster
Yeah, and easily the most powerful star wars character.
LegendSkull367 right up there with the Gonk droids
Kathleen Kennedy is far better at destroying the Star Wars universe.
Darth Disney is the strongest character because he's capable of destroying the entire series
@@HugMyAxe Medic! Medic! We need to treat these severe burns!
A quote from Master Kenobi can describe the Vitiate and Nihilius argument.
“Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”
NOOOOO! I missed such a good joke opportunity!
Andrew Beehler no
Nihilius would be more suited for landmass destruction as his Force Hunger could only destroy the life on the planet. Also I’m sure if focused enjoy he could have destroyed entire planets from the inside out
Andrew Beehler Nihlius, Vitiate and Revan are non-canon.
One Piece that’s not the point.
DONT Underestimate the Jedi and Sith!!!
EvanNova95 lets not forget there are other force wields/ force origanization can be a non jedi or sith to
EvanNova95 great to see you back
EvanNova95 Can you do how fast the Jedi and Sith are someday?
Evannova95 why darth marr could turn into a force ghost even though he’s a sith lord
EvanNova95
Abeloth vs Emperor of Mankind (Warhammer 40k)
I laughed so hard at "UWAGH! Starkiller Base!"
Right after not doing the same to the suncrusher
As did I! As did I...
Starkiller base the combination of all things disgusting and terrible within the Canon of the new Star Wars trilogy hopefully some brave soul will come perhaps in 20 years to right the wrongs in the franchise, and consider these movies no longer Cannon.
@@kylelundgren5133 And restoring the true EU to it's rightful place as Canon and scrapping the Disney Wars BS!
@@kylelundgren5133 why do people hate starkillrr base so much ?
Some refreshing Legends to mull on thanks
I aim to both provide and please. :)
EvanNova95 only provide legends. Disney canon is shit
I love coming to these neckbeardy Legends videos and reading this comments. All of this nonsense you're talking was never Star Wars lmao.. It was fanfiction that George Lucas himself never considered canon and for good reason. Star Wars isn't supposed to be pseudo-Dragon Ball and never will be. @@OnePiece-yy1lu
@@JustYTWatching lol Last Jedi lover spotted^^^^
@@JustYTWatching thats nice
EU >>>> Disney canon
Thor's Hammer any day, any time I agree 10000%.
Here, here!
Cheers mates.
Cheers!
Hell yeah
While I definitely don’t want them to sacrifice good story telling to do so, I wish the movies would give more powerful scenes in some cases. We have the technology to do it now! Enjoyed this video.
Kemet Comics dude we're talking about a movie franchise that use the same plant busting machine in every movie except the prequels I think we can let us slide
Evan Doby lol true
The force isn't a superpower though, it shouldn't be used as one either. The films state that is just an energy that binds us not some power from DBZ. I'm happy that these over powered powers are non canon.
Avallac'h Why? Also they are Canon just not Disney Canon and Yoda's feat is Canon
I would like to see some bigger displays of power for sure, however I don't really want the Jedi to turn into like marvel characters I rather they were more of unstoppable 1v1 but in larger scale fights less so... other then rare cases of course.
**edit talking of force users vs mundanes of course
I think DE Palpatine can destroy a planet with his Force Storm at maximum power. And Darth Nihilus and Vitiate can drain all life from a planet, basically turning it into an empty husk. Those are the only dark-siders I can think of.
For the Jedi, I can't think of anyone. Grandmaster Luke is probably one of the most powerful characters in Star Wars, but I can't think of any techniques of his that can destroy or leave a planet dead.
Logan Smith We all saw how canon Palpatine destroyed a planet through Tarkin and the Death Star. Yes, he had men and technology to do the work but ultimately it was on his orders and the Death Star was his idea anyway so I say that counts.
chrismc410 Palapatine is weak af. and overrated. Made Windu >>>>> Palpatine.
One Piece If you read the RotS Novel, you would know, that Sidious was only playing with Windu/Window.
Logan Smith Well, Vitiate couldn't destroy full planets. Nathema was made by Zildrog and for Ziost he ned the full chaos of the war. He ned this for destroying Ziost. Probably he has used a ritual before it.
Zandris Hugal Thanks.
Finally a person, who has understood this.
25:17 That's 1352.8 times the speed of light. moving that much mass that quickly has more than planet killing potential. That's star destroying potential
Rey can without even training in the force. Kathleen Kennedy can destroy the entire star wars universe. Wait until the next star wars movie. It will be the nail in the coffin. :((( so sad star wars is ruined.
Thats what they said about the prequels and the special edition
Just give it some time
Glad to have ya back man, hope everything is well!
ShadeOfEclipse Things have been looking up, thank you.
"i could just say yes or no to the Jedi or Sith destroying a planet, but that would be to easy"
yeah and i would be trying to watch a video near movie length to find out
jk seriously i love the length of your uploads cause their pure quality keep up the good work!
Wow....so the feats in the force unleashed...were actually business as usual for many Jedi. Makes me enjoy the Star Wars lore so much more.
I love how Vader is just a full on badass.
LEGENDS IS TRUE CANNON!
@West Bradley-Taubner as with you.
Please don't call it Legends, it's the EU. Legends is a title tacked on by Disney in order to give their Disney wars more validity
@@JabezFuutonSpecialis
Very true I will keep that in mind. May the force be with you!
@@HVLLOWS1999 And with you, Master!
0:39 - 1:00 *Planet to star system busting weapons*
1:23 - 2:50 *Power disparity through media*
2:53 - 4:30 *Video scaling framework*
4:37 _NPBHD_ 5:10 *One man armies: Jedi* 5:45 *One man armies: Sith*
7:22 _BD_ 7:45 *Jedi side* 8:34 *Sith wise*
9:25 - 13:36 _Mountain busters clarification_ 13:27 - 14:50 *Sha'till Shan's MF*
14:56 _Landmass destruction_ 15:18 - 17:08 *Tat'Denita: Varying Island levels* 17:10 - 18:06 *Anakin Skywalker: Solar Storm stopper* 18:25 - 19:39*Sith Ex'ar'coon: Life wiping ceremony* 19:41 -20:16 21:01 *Pre prime Darth Bane life wiping ritual*
22:08 - 23:20 _Implicit planetary destruction_ 23:48 - 27:24 *Dos'adiwon opened force with 30 other student's energies and shoved 17 star destroyers out of Yavvin's star system*
*Dark empire era Darth Sidious Force storm* 27:49 - 32:25 32:37 34:18 - 39:39 39:42 - 41:33
41:55 - 42:30 *Cosmic destruction feats: Solar systems* 42:36 - 47:30 _Luke Skywalker and Kip Duren STOP BLACK HOLES!_
47:34 -47:57 _"Definite" planet destruction_ 48:00 - 49:05 *Dark side staff destroys Oblis* 49:10 - 52:53 *Jedi siblings battle!...Fable maybe?* 52:57 - 54:57 *Tales of the Jedi comics: Supernovas*
Did you spell these names phonetically? Because you didn’t get one right.
@@ryanpennington9592 Being honest, I just guessed.
I feel that Disney would have been better served making CGI unabridged versions of the many novels of what is called Legends it wouldn't cost a lot Disney could easily spin these out and Lucasfilm already has CGI ready to go and the same director from both Rebels and Clone Wars series.
antwan1357 a series following all of the events of Legends (100,000 BBY-138 ABY) in later Clone Wars style animation would make them rich. Each episode should be 45 minutes and try its best to stay true to the lore and the story. Filler is always needed when doing stuff like this but I'm open to it. I'm well aware that a series explaining this much lore would take over a dozen seasons but it'd be well worth it since fans would be fed artistic and great storytelling (92% of it) and Disney's media wallet would get fat af ! Kids will be buying all the Legends characters faster than you can produce them 😂😂😂
Jedi and Sith can easily handle Warhammer Space Marines. A lot of Warhammer 40k fans love to downplay stuff like Star Wars and Halo.
@Thor's Hammer
No... they couldn't. Your bargain basement force users, even your more bargain basement ones... really, really, REALLY couldn't stand up to Astartes who genuinely wanted them gone, rigid as the Codex Astartes is. Imperial Guardsmen, maybe, but actual Space Marines? You could make a better case that SPARTANS stand a better chance against Space Marines... and even with the upgrades in Halo 5 and the fact that Spartans canonically fight significantly more competently than jedi more consistently, they get turned into chunky salsa and quick.
VunderGuy
"Heh my a**"
- Marine from Halo 2.
Oh I'm sorry but I don't see Space Marines destroying Mountains and Planets like Force users and their ships aren't that impressive.
Well, I mean, if you want to start playing with Space Magic, then you have to deal with a Librarian ripping open a hole into the Warp. Now the Jedi is being munched on by Daemons.
I think that most of this argument, as usual, comes from people comparing apples and oranges. Considering the admittedly absurd levels of the standard Space Marine, I will state, and stand by, the sentiment that a Knight level Jedi (Sit down Anakin, stop screwing up my generalizations) would be slaughtered by pretty much any Space Marine (Lets keep to melee combat). They are relatively evenly balanced on most theaters. Force speed and strength vs natural speed and strength. Precognition vs near precognitive reflexes. The advantages a Jedi has, and there are a few, just don't match up to the toughness of an Astartes. As has been eloquently put, if you cut a Space Marine's arm off, he isn't going to slow down. He will just pick it up and beat you to death with it.
Obviously, this comparison starts to fail as you get stronger and stronger. I wouldn't favor even the peak of a Chapter vs someone on Mace Windu, or even Obi-Wan levels. A Council Master could hand a Marine his Power Armored ass. It would be difficult, and he would have to be careful, but yeah, he could do it. But if you want to just slap down the "Force Powers" card, you have to accept that you have opened the floor to Chaos, and all the gribblies in the Warp to gnaw of your Jedi's celibate testicles.
Tl;Dr: 40k wins, because 40k is DESIGNED to be ludicrously over the top. Everything about the setting was intended to be hyperbolic and extreme. Comparing like combatants will almost always see other sci-fi come up short, because its meant to. 40k is a silly universe, for all that it proports to be grim-dark. If you dont belive me, try to imagine an Ork Waaagh!!! rampaging through Star Wars. They would get butchered. And come back. And get butchered. And come back. Until they kill the planet by being too damn stubborn to stay dead.
Warhammer 40k Ork = Darth Sion
They could handle generic Space Marines, but it's debatable if they could fight Librarians or other psykers. Also Jedi power levels are extremely inconsistent: kind of like Superman. They're just as high as they need to be for the purpose of the story that's being told. The jedi as depicted in for example the battle of Geonosis in the prequels definitely wouldn't be able to hold off a Space Marine Chapter. They had trouble with just a bunch of cans.
I doubt at the very least that palpatine during the original trilogy was able to destroy planets. Simple reason: He wouldn't have needed a death star, if he could.
Of course, I may be overlooking something here.
I'd like to think he could, but wanted to make sure that if he was off studying other Sith stuff or whatever, Vader or someone else could do it without him
“Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station.”
-- Grand Moff Tarkin
@@kosmonautdan6715 By that logic the public knowing that palpatine can destroy a planet, would do just the same
@@inspectorbutters166 No. In the movie even the Imperial officers doubted the existence of the Force, calling it nothing more than a sad devotion to an ancient religion, until Vader gave them a demonstration. Han called it hokey and no substitution for a blaster.
That was the real goal of the Emperor, to totally eradicate the memory of the Jedi from the Galaxy. And with it knowledge of the Force. It's often hinted that the Jedi and the Force are nothing more than myth in the post RotS galaxy.
Besides, the emperor has no time to dabble in such menial tasks as patrolling the outer territories. That's what the military is for.
@@kosmonautdan6715 So if Palpatine did a show of force like Tarkin did with alderaan, everyone would just ignore that?
Rey "I am Iron Man" Palpatine Skywalker can destroy entire galaxies with a force dyad queef.
EvanNova95: A Jedi and a Sith CAN destroy a planet...
Darth Vader: The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
It’s crazy how powerful the ancient sith like Vitiate, Nihilus, naga Sadow and co destroyed planets etc effortlessly
Without an amp, hell yeah its possible. Brakiss causing supernovas, and GM Luke manipulating artificial black holes comes to mind in terms of beyond planet busting capabilites.
Screw planetbusting, Starbusting is a bigger question. Which I say hell yeah!
Rob George Yeah if Anakin, Palpatine and Luke were suppose to beyond any force user they should be planet buster+ considering people weaker than them could bust planets it's like DBZ whenever they say "Hey they never destroyed a planet" I would reply with "Dude people bellow them destroy planets and why would they destroy planets?"
+397 Llederson Def agree. I mean Luke manipulates black holes and Palp causing wormholes alone is well beyond large planet destructive capacity.
Could they pull it off ala DBZ style? Idk, don't remember anything like that.
Rob George Keep in mind Anakin was also implied to be near Palpatine and Yoda so Anakin should be close to them as well
Lockjaw Palpatine before TPM was toying with the idea to destroy a building casually and that was before TPM before ATOC and before ROTS even before he killed Plaguies that made him stronger so yeah he is doing something like that casually when others struggle with that how is that weak? Anakin has feats to suggest he is close to Yoda and Palpatine so him reaching his full potential doesn't matter if he has feats to suggest he is close to planetary beings
Lockjaw That was when Mace finally understood. He had it. The key to final victory. Palpatine's shatterpoint. The absolute shatterpoint of the Sith. The shatterpoint of the dark side itself. Mace thought, blankly astonished, Palpatine trusts Anakin Skywalker...
Now Anakin was at Mace's shoulder. Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.
Palpatine's eyes glowed with power, casting a yellow glare that burned back the rain from around them. "He is a traitor, Anakin. Destroy him."
"You're the chosen one, Anakin," Mace said, his voice going thin with strain. This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade. "Take him. It's your destiny."
--Taken from Revenge of the Sith
Yeah yeah whatever
You missed the devastation of Ambria caused by a Sith sorceress as discussed in the Tales of the Jedi Companion and the Darth Bane trilogy
Is that you, the real Azronger?
Ambria was largely desolated, but the biosphere was not utterly destroyed.
@@d.dementedengineerc99isurf26 plus it took years worth of prep and killed the sorceress
I love when Star Wars fans downplay their favourite characters only to the pathetic levels shown in the movies,shows the old truth that no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
WHY would a Jedi destroy a planet?
And what does God need with a starship?
Star Trek V?
I can't believe there are living mountains in the New Canon and its supposed to be taken seriously! At least Mount Sorrow wasn't actually a living mountain as it was just seen as a spirit through the eyes of the Ewoks in their mythology.
It's much more subtle, they are gust giant, mineral beings.
It’s like they ripped off Tolkien .
Traj DUMBASS Disney troll
Lonnie Dearing I haven't read Tolkien
One Piece ?
End of series Grand-Master Luke be like: "Haha black hole goes brrr"
Solar system at best
@@jotaroisbestboy7593You're wrote it like every character in fiction can destroy. Aside from comics or some crazy manga, most franchise stay lower than Planet level.
What about jedi master Shaak Ti when she was in hiding during/after order 66 and she was pretty much signal handedly keeping the entire planet from falling to the dark side. Showcased by the fact that when she died the entire planet fell into darkness. I say that’s pretty near planet level feats.
This video alone > Disney canon
can a sithlord destroy a planet ? Vitiate: Hold my beer
Abeloth definitely could. She was powerful enough to create an entire realm for herself to deal with her suffering.
If Yoda had had the oneness with the Force Dorsk had and was being boosted by the entire Jedi Council (let's say the Council as it was after Obi-Wan was added), I think he would've been able to take out the entire galaxy.
Alright before I watch the video: YES.
My thoughts about Jerec being a casual star buster, I do think yes.
Here are my thoughts:
The reason why Kyle Katarn didn't get his ass pwned by Jerec despite him being near to the Force Nexus in the Valley Of The Jedi, it's because Jerec isn't finishing up to absorb the Valley of the Jedi's power.
Not to mention, there is Brakiss manipulating a Star and he had the potential to make a supernova. Of course, it would make logical sense for Valley Of The Jedi Amped Jerec to be more superior to Brakiss.
Vader would crush Jerec, with the Valleys power or not. Dooku would crush Jerec. Maul would likely crush Jerec too. Jerec isn't a powerfull dark side user, not even a sith lord he's just an ambitious inquisitor, same way as Carnor Jax was an ambitious royal guard, nithing more.
This makes Vader, Maul, and Dooku to be far superior to a casual star buster which is pretty epic.
@@epistemo3442 If Jerec is truly a starbuster then most of the Bane's Sith Lords also were. That is even more epic.
I only recently found out they were called "droidekas" and not droidy-cars. In the movies and videos games it's just what my brain always heard and it made sense, even if it's a little goofy. Hey, I was 14, give me a break. 😄😂
LOL
Unending Void is this the void 😳
Sidious and Force Sensitives comparable to him are pretty much casual star busters already.
Sidious levitated the super star destroyer Lusankya and buried it in coruscant and after he wiped the mind of billions if not trillions of coruscanti residents. Just another day to the most powerful sith in history.
@@Fulcron13 And he was so powerful that it took the spirits of all the jedi that ever existed to trap Darth Sidious in the underworld once and for all, if it wasn't for that he would come back again.
@@Fulcron13 People think that star wars is just tv and movies with actors and they don't have the curiosity to read books, comics or even search the wookiepedia. My problem with star wars is that they focus on the ordinary and not the extraordinary, they forget about magic and fantasy and just stay with science fiction.
@@Fulcron13 Truth.
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Not sure, if you read this. But, do you know Supernatural Encounters: The Trial and Transformation of Arhul Hextrophon? It's a new legends novella that showcases the creation of an entire universe with the Force. I could give out the link to the novella.
www.starwarstimeline.net/Supernatural_Encounters.htm
Wow force wielders are a lot stronger than we thought.
Good slideshow good video I like it long no homo
Gosh who would dislike this video? So much time, effort, facts, and information provided here.
Well done master Evan, well done. Instantly liked this video the second I saw it.
So what about Abeloth? how insane would her force strom be?
Can you not give me night terrors!?
She's no match for my power.
I'm a star to solar system buster in marvel on a average day and some may say a universal buster if you'll talking about the most powerful versions of me.
Oh, Abeloth is far beyond solar.
William Henning
*shrugs*
Hmm...challenge accepted.
William Henning
Even so the universal versions of me can handle her. I think I remember a universal me being killed by Old Man Thanos.
one of the most underrated quality content creators, shame youre not already at 1 mil
24:35 OMG! Its a miracle! SW calcs!!!
+EvanNova95
Part 2:
In this part I'm going to look at 2 things. 1st, is the Dorsk 81 feat an outlier. 2nd, I'm going to my thoughts on your values (which btw I mostly agree with).
1) For those who have no idea what I'm talking about, an outlier (in terms of vs battle stuff) describes feats that defy the scale or reality of a verse. An example of this is when Master Roshi destroyed the moon during the budokai tournament in DB because its confirmed Goku and Piccolo are stronger than Roshi and they are citybusters. The KE output of Dorsk is not a problem here because he has the oneness amp, 30 students amp, and the destructive capacity of his feat has been exceeded by others. The reason I'm considering this feat being an outlier is the velocity. In part 1, EvanNova95 found the average velocity of the Star Destroyers to be 7,456,450,000 mph which after a unit conversion is roughly 3333331408 m/s which is 33.3333108 x10^8 and the speed of light is about 2.998 x (10^8) m/s. That means (low-end), Dorsk 81 propelled those Star Destroyers at a velocity that is roughly 11.119 times FTL. I believe the only way to exceed the speed of light in the SW setting is to go into hyperspace. If that is the case, then this feat could be considered an outlier on the basis that the velocity of the Star Destroyers falls outside the given physics of the SW verse. Then again, if there are other instances of FTL travel that occurs outside of hyperspace, then this feat is not an outlier.
2) I'm going to check the values that EvanNova95 got section by section.
1) Mass: This was always a pain since no source gives an exact mass of what an empty star destroyer is like and you did an excellent job. I have no problem with using a Nimitz-Class Nuclear aircraft carrier as a base for calculating the mass. The one thing I don't think you totally accounted for is the mass of the crew (which I don't think means a lot but I'm doing this because I can). While you did consider the mass of a full platoon, according to starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_I-class_Star_Destroyer/Legends, the total number of people on board a Star Destroyer is 46,700. I'm fine with using Han Solo as an average mass of each person but that means we have to add the following mass.
Total Mass (of officers/crew)= 37,000 x (176.37 LBS =(rounded value) 80 kg) x17 ships
Total Mass (of officers/crew)=50,320,000 kg
So I think Dorsk 81 was moving a total of 8,336,262,301.2495995 kg + 50,320,000 kg=8386582301.2495995
2) Distance traveled: So the general assumption Ive done for planets in the SW universe that lack official stats on it, is to assume properties are that of Earth unless something indicates that it isn't. I thought with how important/popular the Yavin system is in the lore we would have a stat on the length of the system but we don't. The main issue with assuming that the Yavin system is the same size of our solar system is that Yavin Prime (the gas giant/planet that has the greatest orbital period in the Yavin system) has an orbital period of 4818 std days which is about 11.364 years (source: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yavin_Prime) while Pluto has an orbital period of 248.09 Earth years (source: www.livescience.com/33390-pluto-first-complete-orbit.html). I am aware of the math used to compute the size of our solar system and how much of a pain in the ass it would be to do here. So for now, I'm skeptical of distance the Star Destroyers traveled and assume it is way smaller.
3) I agree with the time. I'm low ending this and lets assume 45 seconds (because a matter of seconds would be between 5-10 seconds which is just plain ridiculous at this point).
Part 3 will get done when I finally figure out what I'm using for distance traveled and why.
Some errors and misunderstandings of source material throughout, but overall, in the big picture... this was a good and welcome video, man.
Also, if YOU want to do a video on Jerec and the Valley of the Jedi, go ahead; don't rely on fan-feedback to do what YOU want to create for your channel (though it's of course fine to let it influence how you shape your channel). I'm sure plenty of people will watch the video regardless of if they asked for it or not.
Your forgetting the time when StarKiller pulled a whole SSD out of orbit.
I've read of Sith Lords tearing starships down from orbit. Might have been KOTOR or TOR.
He’s back!
finally
Here are some feats you forgot (Which I calc to be contient busting level):
Thon containing energies of Lake Nath
Yarel Poof saves the world from the Infant
Dark Plague casually manipulating naboos weather.
Not to mention Starkiller powering a blast which split a shielded Star Destroyer in half.
Starkiller is pretty pathetic
The hell are you talking about?
Starkiller is poor duelist but makes up for his force powers
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"A cunning warrior who's skill with the lightsaber was *MATCHED* by his sheer brutality when harnessing the power of the Force."
50:00 - 58:17 *Planet life sucking* 58:24 - 1:03:40 _Supernova dissection and items* __1:01:14__ _Supernova Sith_ 1:03:43 - 1:08:08 _Twin Blue star feat explained._ 1:08:09 - 1:12:30 *Darth Nihilis and Vistius Planet sucking talk*
1:12:46 *LOVELY PICTURE!* 1:14:52 *Force small atom* 1:1738 - 1:18:54 *Shatterpoint* 1:18:55 - 1:20:20 *Alter Environment*
Amazing video my dude, plus that ending quote you said. Simply brilliant, _May the Force be with you mate._
I absolutely love the detail and effort you put into these (my personal favorites are your lore series), awesome content sir!
The fact that the ability to manipulate and detonate stellar cores is a learnable skill under Sith Sorcery just goes to show the crazy destructive potential of a powerful sith lord if they're well read and angry enough.
*Correction* Force Storm was destroying the whole universe and DE Sidious is low multiversal level.
Well Palpatine truly is the most powerful sith Ancient Sith Destroy Planets while Palpatine destroy can destroy Galaxies
This just wanker
Fantastic video man so glad to have such a detailed explanation of SW feats and power level in a TH-cam video may the force be with you!
25:15 907, 249,000,000 Mph by my calculations is over 1352 times the freaking speed of light, which is a meesly 670,616,629 mph. That's probably like sending those Star Destroyers through Hyperspace with the Force ALONE!!! This is so powerful that it literally breaks the laws of Physics, This dude in this state with all of those students could destroy the Supremacy 1000 times over, get out of hear Admiral HOLDO with your lightspeed ramming a Jedi could do it better!!!!
That's insane
Considering those star destroyers got pushed out of the solar system in seconds, that sounds about right.
They wouldn't have only left the solar system, but the Galaxy. The inertial energy would be enough to overload any dampeners onboard and turn every living thing on those ships into paste. That's if the ships don't break apart and vaporise themselves from the extreme acceleration.
"Uuhhhg, Starkiller Base"
Lol
In defense of evanova, when the hadron super collider makes or supposedly makes miniature black holes and the planetary governments are concerned about that microscopic black hole turning our planet into dust. I think Evan Nova is completely correct that Luke Skywalker and kip Durron are freaking insane in their power level to be able to manipulate even a shield generator size black hole. And all you haters I study astronomy I know what I'm talking about.
0:00 - Start of the video
4:31 - Non-Planetary, but still highly destructive. Army-Destruction
14:51 - Landmass-Destruction
22:06 - Part 2: Implict Planetary-Destruction
I’ll come back later, 1:10:47
To all the people that think a force user cant destroy a planet do you people nit realize that in star wars literally anything and everything is possible with The Force if the user is powerful enough
I know theres those star wars fans thaf will hate what im about to say but its true the force is basically a SuperPower that has unlimited potential and is capable of anything imaginable
Vitiate/Valkorian and Nihilus are prime examples of planet killing power
lovefrompraha and maybe Sidious using force storm
*Valkorion
lovefrompraha and palpatine
Darth Molalikith that’s vitiate
Why just say "yes" when you can make 1 hour 24 minute video saying that.
Nihlus DID
Telekinetically toss an asteroid.
The original Expanded Universe Canon/Overall Universe is vastly superior to the insignificant and poorly written, designed, and executed New Canon.
Still convinced that star Wars would win against 40k
Edit. Sorry meant against the Imperium of man Eldar and Tao, everything lease would chew through them just like they chew through everything else
No chance against 40k.
I'd say it depends
WIH Necrons, DAOT Humans, Prime Eldar Empire, Ctan, and the Chaos gods say hi
This is why Kyp is my favorite NJO Jedi. The dude has more power than Luke Skywalker, lifting a Black hole with minimal effort. That combined with his rise, fall and redemption all the way to the council makes him one of my favorites from the first and best Star Wars Universe.
I agree luke states himself that kyp has more potential in the force but I think if they both fought I still think luke would somehow win he is a legendry master in all forms of Saber combat and is still very powerful in the force he also has alot of experience as well but kyp is definitely powerful being able to go toe to toe with the strongest jedi in history if not the strongest force user
in response to the sound ninja statement, any top tier force user (Luke, Sidious, etc) could solo the Naruto verse
fight me
Heh, agreed.
Sidious just stomp the entire Naruto verse, if he wanted to.
Mitch O'Brien Depends on which part though, because by the Fourth Great Ninja War Arc, Naruto basically became Dragon Ball Z lite.
I would say even in the Boruto Era Grand Master Luke Solo's the verse as well as Sidious and maybe a few others
Just no......
Mitch O'Brien If you talking about Sidious and master Luke,yes I agree with you but not as easy as you think.In the Naruto verse we have Kaguya who have created dimensions that contains Sun in it and She was about to destroy one of her dimensions. The same goes with Momoshiki who also created dimension as stated by the novel. Not to mention Narutoverse got Toneri otsutsuki that was capable of splitting the moon in half and sent them toward the Earth in an immense speed. Naruto and Sasuke created a moon in their fight with Kaguya and also Madara who is almost as strong as the Sage of Six Path who created a moon when he is at his deathbed.They can maybe beat the verse but with high difficulty.Abeloth can maybe defeat them with mid difficulty considering how strong she is others than that no Star Wars characters can defeat the verse. That's just my opinion though.Sorry for my bad english
Welcome back brother! It is good to see/hear you again.
TL;DW - They can blow up stars, and also kill all life on a planet. Do with that information what you will.
I was watching pewdiepie how did I get here
Theblakerbrown lmaooo
Welcome to the Adventure, composed of a hellish landscape, that is TH-cam.
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant when compared to the power of the Force
The ability to destroy a planet comes with the power of the Force. The Jedi would’ve realized that if they had put down their teacups and training remotes and had ACTUALLY OPENED THEMSELVES TO BOTH SIDES OF THE FORCE.
*Planetary Devastation!!!*
Now you know pain.
Lol
For the potential things, you have Brackis' relaxation method in the YJK series while he was headmaster of the Shadow Academy...manipulating nebulas and stars from across the galaxy.
Another is the entire thing with the Maw where several of the Jedi that hid there could manipulate the black holes there.
EvanNova95: The Movie
My TH-cam life is one thing, but I assure you NO ONE would be entertained by a move about my personal life.
@@EvanNova95 I'd watch it. I just hope they don't add shity special effects 15 years later
The ability Shan used does both according to legends. It can amplify or be used instead of calling on further. Luke kinda says as much in legends I,Horn. Corran uses it to save another padawan. In the thermal pools. He asborbs the thermal energy and uses it to create a sheild for the student. But it can backfire if all the energy isn't used. Imo that means a force user must be able to channel such energies to begin with in order to make use of all amping. So Shan could do that on her own. She just drew the power from somewhere other than the force that particular instance.
I saw the title in my notifications, and I was immediately like; "Yeah they can, easily." Force-wielder are much stronger than they're given credit for. Valkorion wiped out a galaxy with the Nathemic ritual in the Sith Warrior story. The Outlander (Darth Nox version) can channel Valkorion's spirit from the Force walk and amp herself to the point that she could probably wipe out galaxies with ease. Then there's Luke and Sidious, both more powerful than Nox who would have at least galaxy levels of power. And even then there's beings like The Ones, Abeloth and Force Priestesses who would make Luke, Sidious, Nox, Valkorion, Yoda, Caedus, anyone around that level look like children with the Force.
Looking back on this a year later, yeah, busting universes is child's play. There's so many people in the verse that have caused ripples through the Force, or been described as an embodiments of the Force, and Star Wars Infinities showed that there is an entire multiverse that the Force exists through.
Nihilus could beat Superman, yeah. They’re both universal, and as far as I know, Superman doesn’t have resistance to life drain.
Dank farrik, Evan. Why did you show the Sith how to pull this off?
12:15 The famed Jedi Traaavolta
Why didn't you include feats like Yarael Poof containing a bomb that would of destroy Coruscant or Palpatine causing stars to flare and realigned constellations after he killed Plagueis?
Please do the Jeric video
Asndy gamer Jerec*
Jerec got pwned by Kyle Katarn
Just wanted to add, for Kun, that the hypothetical amount of energy needed to convert his spirit may be huge, but it's also highly concentrated in a few square feet of space. Disperse that force across a planet, and while it's going to be potent, it's not going to be nearly as destructive. It's the same idea as PSI when striking an object--strike with a broad fist and you hit a large area with a strong blow. Strike with a single point, and you hit a tiny area with a devastating blow. Dispersion of Kun's power from the energy in which it was concentrated lessens its impact, on a decreasing exponential scale based on how much dispersion is possible. In the case of this, an entire planet's surface and subsurface, I'd say it's perfectly reasonable that the concentrated power Kun was gathering would result in that outcome. I'd wager that the amount of energy it takes to make a planet's entire living surface combust, when compacted into a tiny space like Kun did, would be more than enough to change a person-sized bundle of molecules at a fundamental level.
In other words, I'm a nerd.
+Evan Tell me about it. I did a comment where I calcd Dorsk 81 using Evan's numbers and then analyzed his numbers.
You win
you need to do more research on exar kun he was more powerful than vader and dooku, he not only mastered all lightsaber form but also had lightsaber skills from tulak hord who was a better duelist than vader and dooku, exar kun had the ability of acknowledge absortion and power absortion, he possessed the dark holocrom which was the most powerful holocrom in sith history he had acknowledge of over 10,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills ect, exar was physically more gifted than dooku and vader, exar kun escalate above naga sadow which papaltine was scared to perform his rituals and archemy, kun was more powerful in the force than nadd and naga sadow both sith were easily star booster, and kun destroyed nadd spirit before his prime, exar kun tanked force sever from his master who had 400 years of experience in the light side of the force and kun easy overpowered him, kun defeat a jedi master who tanked the explosion of over 10 supernovas and was amped by a light nexus of an entire planet, and kun one shot him, exar kun mastered sith archemy rituals and sith magic from marka ragnos tulak hord ajunta pall naga sadow and freedon, vader was look for help from murr spirit which was weaker than exar kun spirit that was drained and depleted by the wall of light created by over 1000 jedis using force sever and preps, kun defeat prime luke Skywalker who was estate to 2 times more powerful than the luke Skywalker from dark empire, which was more powerful than vader, Leia which was a force harmony master States that exar kun spirit was more powerful than luke and about two times stronger than vader at the least kun break all luke Skywalker defensive skills that luke Skywalker learned from yoda and obi wan finally grandmaster luke Skywalker compared exar kun spirit to emperor papaltine reborn who was a multi galactic threat
Just pointing out, unless I am misunderstanding and you meant he was the most powerful at that time. Sidious was definitely not the most powerful sith. I think Vitiate has that covered
Vitiate was enourmously powerful. Definitely. We can't really know, though. 'Cause there certainly are other immensely powerful figures in the Galaxy. Freedon Naad, Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Darth Nihilus, Darth Bane...
Perhaps, if any, Darth Nihilus. Seems the ancient Jedi and Sith were significantly stronger in the distant past.
But again, Vitiate easily beat the legendary Darth Revan, although Revan was only a Jedi knight at the time... Not fair when one of them is in his prime and the other is a fledgling.
“Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. I find your lack of faith disturbing.” - Darth Vader
His words after the Death Star actualy destroying a inhabited planet.
Something that is more then once mentioned in the Star Wars Franchise is that there is an always a shifting balance between the 'dark and bright side of the force' and that the force is constantly readapting to imbalances. In other words, every action wil have an eventual reaction. My personal interpretation is that Darth Vader was well aware that the significant imbalance the destructive force of the Death Star would eventualy also cause a shift in the balance of power that could become their downfall.
Darth Vader eventualy doubting his own actions after being shown mercy by his enemies and good intent showed by loved onces and the malicious cruelty and thus eventualy turning against the Empire in the end to save his son and effort to make amends I consider part of the eventual shift in the balance of the force. That plus the fact Darth Vader probably could've probably single handedly taken down the Death Star as he is described as the stronger bearer of the force.
Not to mention the 'promise' the Dark emperor made to Darth Vader being capable to ressurect a lost loved ultimately convincing Anikin to switch sides in the first place. That's going by the movies I've seen, from what I red the written story isn't completely aligned.
50:20 that is the dumbest yet coolest thing ever so their rage made them so strong they blew up the planet wow
dyllandif8 That insanity belongs in Dragon Ball Z.
cloudftw113 Absolutely agreed everything that happens after ROTJ in Old EU is a crazy fanfiction
SW PL That story doesn’t even take place after ROTJ...
Though I gotta disagree with your sentiment as a whole.
SW PL Also those are the words of someone who never really read the Old EU. There were some fanfic worthy materials (looking at you Crystal Star) but those are outliers. Besides the New Canon has literal time travel, they’re both insane because Star Wars, as a whole, is nuts.
New Trilogy is shitty Disney fanfic as well I never saied that it's better than Old EU, and by saying "everything after ROTJ" I don't mean EU as a whole but stories that take place far after ROTJ in timeline, SWTOR, KotOR, Bane Trilogy those are masterpieces and there are other good books as well but I just can't take IG-88 taking over Death Star, random Imperial Officer using Battle Meditation at Endor, Cloned Jedi Master, Luuke, Lumiya and whole "hands of the emperor" idea, don't get me wrong Mara Jade is awsome but it kinda doesn't fit into movies, Essence Transfer and Clones of Palpatine, the whole DBZ Powers like Force Storm or manipulating Black Holes, Jedi and Sith are Superhuman but this is just too much, Suncrusher, Yuuzhan Vong and their organic weapons and ships they just look like they come from diffrent universe than Star Wars altough they are better than Disney's Empire 2.0 known as First Order, Abeloth, and some other dumb things like Skippy Force Sensitive droid or Mount Sarrow, oh and let's not forget about Zombie stormtroopers
What's interesting about Nihilus is that he's not really a person any more. Someone with that much power can't be. This of course means he is the one in the Sith Triumvirate with least personality, but Kreia more than makes up with that.
As someone who studies Astrophysics I can say that past the Event Horizon has infinite gravity that not even the speed of light can escape. So being able to do anything with these Black Holes basically equates to infinite power. And if you go by the Gnab Gib theory that a Black Hole will destroy the Universe they can be considered Universe busters. I have a video explaining Black Holes if anyone would like more information.
27:16 What about 1 Darth Nihilus and 30 Starkillers.
55:50 Russia IS HERE
Does anyone on the thread even care about basic physics in Sci-Fi.
Like in Science-Fiction. Not much scientific reality in Star Wars.
Just for the record, wiki states a human can generate up to 1.1 horsepower in spurts.
And 0.1 horsepower in a constant state. Or 890 watts(1.1hp) to 75 watts (0.1 hp).
So at the very maximum a Jedi could light-up a few incandescent light bulbs.
By using the complexity of the human mind. Complex waveforms could be generated and used for complex tasks. Involving great mental skills to generate such complex EMF signals.
But not at the power levels suggested in the above article.
75 watts is not enough to blowup a planet. But could make a nice reading lamp.
Sorry.....but the above article is just silly as it ignores basic physics. Its Sci-Fi after all.
Not outright Fantasy.
It's Sci-Fi Fantasy. Stop sperging out.
@@McBanditHope I had to look up "Sperging".......So I will be brief.
The George Lucas version of the "Force" has some base in Science Fact.
As there are some animals and fish that can sense Electrical and Magnetic fields.
And others that can generate such fields like electric eels.
So its a simple extension in human abilities to utilized such abilities.
But Jar Jar Abrams extended the "Force" to include abilities that were both absurd and impossible.
Just to make an impossible plot-point seem real if done by a "Force User".
Pulled out of Jar Jar Abram's Reality deficient mind based on his plot whims.
Like destroying entire Star Fleets using "Force Lightening". A power level that would incinerate a person if tried. Not even remotely possible using any science-fiction based ideas. No matter how far-fetched.
All done to make Rey a super-duper Mary Sue. That can do anything using the "Force".
Then the above article asked if a Jedi or Sith could blow up a planet using the "Force".
The George Lucas answer is a simple "NO".
But the Jar Jar Abrams answer, is which answer will make me the most money.
When on the movie screen.
@@WilliamOPearce Question, what animal can levitate rocks and small spacecraft? Like, not trying to be (too) smart, I'd actually like to know. Both examples come from the OT, btw.
Moreover, if George Lucas always meant for Force Users to be so mild, why, when the LucasFlim and the SW brand was under his control, greenlight a game where you play as a character who pulls a goddamn Star-Destroyer out of the Sky? (StarKiller, Force Unleashed)
Why greenlight all of that EU material that depict Jedi and Sith as near Gods in the Flesh? That all had to go through him (or at least someone he approved of). You'd think he'd put a stop to after the first couple, or at least the first several.
The Force is Space Magic, specifically, the ability to manipulate reality. If the Force is everywhere, and everything is The Force, than it is reality, and Force users manipulate it.
Rey can destroy a planet. Easily