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- Nowadays a clean 2006-2008 997.1 Carrera 4S will run you somewhere around $45-60K. That's roughly 10K more than an equivalent Carrera S, and almost 15K more than a base Carrera. What I'd like to know is - how does the AWD system affect the nine-eleven-y handling characteristic of the 997, and does the 3.8L really make that big a difference over the 3.6? Is the extra $15K really worth it?
/ zygrene
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Glad you enjoyed the 4S. I purchased my 4S primarily for the wide body looks, bigger engine and better brakes. I was also very pleased and impressed with the additional handling in tight corners compared to my friends C2S which also had the power on understeer you mentioned coming out of corners in your car. As you said, you can not go wrong with either one. The brake feel you noticed in the 4S is because the 4S comes with the Turbo's brake controller system which pre-loads the brakes and brings the pads closer to the rotors the moment you release the gas pedal. So it makes for a much tighter bite and responsive brake feel. The Evoms intake, which is what I have also, makes for a really nice sound improvement from 5000-7000 rpm. there are a lot of flavors to chose from which makes it easier, for whatever phase of life you are in, to get the one that appeals to you most.
Good to know about the 4S brake system. I figured it was just down to larger rotors and beefier calipers. Debating if I want to upgrade my base model brakes to the Stoptech 355mm BBK
@@Zygrene When I would track my C4S, along with my friend who had a C2 base model, the C2 base model's brakes would over heat and boil the brake fluid. At minimum you need to use Motul 600 rbf brake fluid. New pads and bigger rotors will definitely make the brakes feel more responsive, but the big issue on track will be less overheating for sure with larger rotors. Brake pedal may not feel quite as responsive as C4S with Turbo brake controller, but larger rotors and pads will be a nice upgrade, especially for aggressive drivers who like to canyon run and track.
I have a 997.1 4S and you can hit the Phasm button and then turn off the left switch which will let you have the throaty sound without the extreme tightness. I recommend this car to anyone.
Which year?
I love your videos. I'm looking at picking up a 997 and find these videos very informative and inspiring. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for a very useful review.
Love that bottom end grunt!
Another great review! You need to compare the 997.1 to the 997.2.
I may just have a 997.2 review in the works!
There are reasons turbo's have all wheel drive, improves handling with the higher power. Same with the 4S. It is not about snow and rain, it is about the handling. Although all wheel does come in handy during inclement weather. If you can, take both a rear wheel and a all wheel to the track. If you are new, do it on a HPDE day with instructor. Make your decision. And as mentioned, you can't go wrong with either. A Porsche is a lovely car.
What would u recommend for someone who never really had much experience in driving a rwd or awd??
One of my brothers is obsessed with rwd the way he talks about it makes me clearly know he never ever wanted anything other then rwd he complained a lot bout why he did like awd so much I kinda forget what the argument was he makes it sounds like rwd is super superior ultra fun and better in almost every way imaginable not for this specific car but in general he’s apparently a BMW M fanatic specifically rwd coupes … always made me feel like your not a real sport car person and or drive without a rwd coupe as ur daily 😆
But yes please chime in on which would make a better buy especially for someone looking to probably trade out of it sooner than later for a bigger better newer car and loan def looking to getting into 06-09 for now tho
If you are right, Porsche forgot the AWD at the GT2 with 700 horsepower. You should wright a letter to Porsche as a reminder..
Thanks for your excellent real world vids, Zygrene. I'm across the pong in the UK and looking to buy a 997 in the next few years and your vids are a fantastic prospective buyers tool for us all. Keep up the good work my friend. SUBSCRIBED!
The pdk paddles had me confused for a second.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one
Dude should have removed them prior to installing the new wheel
The hundred extra pounds is over the front axles and is a positive on terms of offsetting the rear engine weight
Love seeing these videos. If you're back in SoCal sometime maybe you'd be interested in checking out my lightly modified ND since I noticed you haven't tried any non-stock ones yet
I'm coming down to socal 5/10-11 actually! Shoot me a DM on instagram or email at zygrene@gmail.com 🙂
997.2 Coupe Manuals going big 📈
Good video.
How does the 997.1 4S compare to an e9x M3 in terms of driving experience?
Where did you source your rear .2 conversion from? Fitment looks great!
Nice video, but yah. There’s no question the S version is worth the extra .. driving with the sport on is where is at 👌🏼✌🏼
I was in this same predicament. S vs 4s. I opt for the 2s simply because I didn’t want the extra weight and I love rear wheel drive configuration. The c4 felt felt a little heavy vs the c2 in the front end. This video is comparing a 3.6 vs 3.8 so it’s not exactly comparing apples to apples. Great video nonetheless 🙂
Same here, love your channel btw.
Only thing is....what’s the point of a rear engine with “some of the cons negated”
Nice mods on the c4s except for the steering wheel. It'd drive me nuts having buttons and paddles that are completely useless
911: we use long wheelbase, rear-wheel steering, refined engine placement to overcome
Congenital deficiency
STI: EVO is for people who can't overcome understeer by themselves
Nice video. I currently have an '06 C2 with an 4.0 liter F6I that screams. I used to have an '02 C4 that was amazing around the corners and do believe they track better than the C2's but I think the C2's are a tad quicker. On a track I would have to agree that a C4s would beat a C2s
What’s a f6I?
@@shadowg11 Flat 6 Innovations. Company that rebuilds engines using better technologies than a standard rebuild.
I have a stock 07 C2S in manual and I drove my friend’s stock 07 C4S manual, and I was very surprised in that the C4S’s steering was much heavier in slow speeds and felt less fun to toss into corners. I actually didn’t like it at all. I’m glad I didn’t go 4S now.
The weight of the driveshafts and torque to the front axles take their toll on steering feel, no question. The 2WD is the best driver's car, no question. But the AWD is still a damn fine drive!
What’s borescoring and ims
not sure comparing engine sound when aftermarket exhausts are involved is worthwhile. just nit-picking really, the reviews all-in-all are excellent, IMO.
I test drove a 997.1 base and 997.1S when I was shopping for a 911. I ended up going with the 997.1S, the larger 3.8L engine with a few extra HP did make a difference.
If you drove them blind I doubt the 0.2sec difference to 100kph would be noticeable. Confirmation bias is strong when you know you're in the bigger engined car. The extra weight of the AWD hardware almost negates the power/torque advantage in the 4S.
Great video Fenton. Just wondering if you've seen superspeedersRob's latest video he did on the S2000? Its the worst S2000 review I've ever seen on TH-cam 😂
No I haven't. I tend to avoid his videos if I'm honest 😬
@@Zygrene I can't agree more. Keep up the great work!
What lip kit are you running? I cant find anything for the 997.1 C2S models.
I think the C4S had the Techart lip
That's what I drive. Except I didn't check for bore scoring. Oh well, 4L engine should be fun!
Does that mean what I think it does? 😬
@@Zygrene If you're thinking a 20k bill, you'd be right!
😧😧😧
The 997.2 suffers bore scoring too. Probably less frequently, but definite incidence. It's a Pflat6 thing....
Same steering wheel from cayman has no paddles and it would look cleaner
Soon everyone will realize the GTS is where it’s at
People have known this. That’s why GTS prices are where they’re at and probably won’t be going much further down.
The 3.8 is very monotone all the way through the rev range. An exhaust only seems to amplify that but I’m sure with the right combination of headers/cats/x-pipe it’ can sound better and howl more like the 3.6 does
Yeah, I like the 3.6 more.
Hope you get to review an Accord 2.0T manual one day
Is it yours more high pitched or is the exhaust mods on this just making it seem that way
Could be the exhaust, but the induction sound is different too
@@Zygrene interesting thanks.
Hard to believe it's only 100lbs more
X51 option on C4S...
i think your c2 exhaust got crossed eyed a bit xd
The 2 or 2s is where it’s at IMO
You should check out the GTS
@@nikosleonardos191 not even a thing in these generations
@@Fee.1 for the 997.2 it is
Really don't need the 4 wheel drive on a 4s.turbo maybe with the extra power but no need on the lower power versions. Keep with the 2s alot more fun to drive and lighter.
I don’t think the wide body’s look much different at all on the 996+
Lol. How many times did you try and talk yourself into really believing that you prefer the 3.6 to the 3.8. The only 3.6 that would be preferred to the 3.8 in a 997 would be a GT3 997.1 vs the C2S
Zingy how? Same rpm right? Revs faster?
Less low/mid range torque. Rewards you more when winding it to redline
@@Zygrene Rewards you more or penalize you less for being at low revs...or same thing
The C2 is by far the choice for me. A much more pure 911 with the right balance. I even prefer the 3,6 engine over the 3,8. Runs better and smoother …..
The 3.6 sounds better.
C2 is way more fun to drive than the C4S.
Honestly for this money, get into a Camaro SS 1le. Performance, feel, and reliability is leaps ahead of these.
One of the cars I really really want to drive. The ZL1 1LE I reviewed was too much for the street but the SS with magneride and less power sounds perfect
911 is in a different league
@@Zygrene Yea I commented this before hahah with the same response. You really have to try the ss 1le. Make that a mandatory car to review. Really want to know your thoughts on it.
Old 911s are not in a different league. I pass a bunch of these on track, given they arn’t the best drivers. The ss1le beats the old gen 1 gt4 on track. I was glued behind one this past weekend with an instructor driving. He was on cup 2s and I was on conti extreme contact sports. If I was on a better tire I would probably drive right through him. Watch some of my videos. Don’t be a loyalist and open your mind.
@@StirlingMossDrives 911 is way more special and not basic and cookie cutter..But if ur going for times 1le is a better choice
Nahhh