Why the Porsche 997.1 Carrera S is Special?
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- Basheer Zaheer reviews his personal favourite Porsche 911 Carrera S 997.1. The 997 Gen 1 has a few alluring qualities, one of them being that they are truly the last analogue Porsche 911. The 997 Generation 2 unfortunately has to face the new emission laws, with the DFI 3.8 litre engine offering not the exotic sound and character that have intrigued and made us fall in love with the 911 brand since 1963.
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And the 997.1 can now be completed with the pccm+, which refreshes the interior and the experience. Love my 997.1 C2S.
Massive upgrade on the pcccm plus. How long have you had your c2s?
@@invictusporsche I have it now for 3 years. It’s basalt black with Bose, hardback seats, turbo wheels and manual 6speed.
@madonion48 I'm interested in upgrading, can you share what pccm+ worked for you?
For some reason I’ve never craved a big upgrade. I’ve been using my Tranzit blu unit that pairs my iPhone to the system which works well.
@@The.Mr.M I'm not sure I understand. I bought the PCCM+ for 997.1
I’ve had my C2s 997 cab for 10 years, it makes me smile every time I get behind the wheel. A real drivers car, very engaging and still turns heads where ever she goes.
Wow that’s a long time and glad you still enjoy line it’s your first time with it
I got my 997.1 Cab on 2010. It is a great car to drive. Real drivers with the manual. I had this car trouble free for 14 years !
These are so raw and the perfect size
The 997 is also one of, if not the best overall 911 body style. It’s the sweet spot for size and classic v modern style.
I agree. What do you drive?
100% agree . has the Classic Lines of a 993 and the modernity of the 991 generation .. quintessential 911!
I've never seen someone soo mesmerised .. so in Love while driving a car! goes to show how good a 997.1 is ... god i want one! put a deposit down on a 987.2 Cayman 2.9 PDK but still hesitating because of the Lust for a 911 .
I love my 997.1 C2S. As you said it’s the last of the analogue 911’s before they started to put to much tech in the 991 and above, Beautiful Flat six makes a fantastic noise. I love it…
They are a brilliant weekend car and very analogue. Have you had any issues with it?
Joey called from the 90s, he wants his clobber back =)
Great review! Thank you! I had a 997.1 Carrera 4S in 2014 for a couple of years- fabulous car! So sad to see it go 😢 I would love to have another one ❤ Now subscribed 🙂👍
Thank you for the subscribe Tim. Ohh you must get into another one. They are so addictive
Really well done video. It gives someone, who hasn't driven one, a glimpse into what you can experience if you're aware and using all your senses. Truly a magnificent work of art.
Thank you very much. That’s what we aim for. The car provides a modern and analogue experience if that is what one seeks
I totally agree. That's why I hold on to my Carrera S since I picked it up at ZUF in 2007.
You have done well to hold on for so long. Hope you keep on driving it
Basheer can you please comment on the bore scoring problem with the engine design in the 997.1 models?
I honestly need to do a video chat on the 997.1 bore scoring issue. It’s a common theme now that they are getting even older and people not maintaining particularly not replacing the coolant pipes and keeping up with with the maintenance which puts strain on the engine even more
Absolutely looking forward to it! @@invictusporsche
V happy with my 997.1 C4S in Forest Green Metallic with full Tan leather interior. Upgraded to PCCM+ in January and made a huge difference. Only one former owner from new with 30k miles on the clock.
That’s stunning spec. Hope you keep it for a long time
@@invictusporsche that’s the plan. It’s got the Lobster Claw wheels aswell. We’ve taken it on a couple of long road trips, 5000klm last year in one week 🤪 through 8 different countries and then in May this year down to Switzerland for a week. It gets driven at least a couple of times a week and apart from servicing behaves itself. When I’m up your way I’ll reach out and drop by
Makes me want to get one of these so badly
I really enjoy my 2006 997.1 C2 S...so much fun. (4.0 ltr., SOUL headers and 200 cell cats, Fister mufflers)
Oh that must be amazing to drive. The exhaust mods sound great too. How many miles have you done on it?
@@invictusporsche 60k on chassis, 9k on new motor (miles). Flat 6 Innovations Stage 1 motor (w/ IMS solution, "Nickies")
@@chrismicallef1276 That is now a well sorted car to keep long term
Although the GT3 is my dream car, starting to look at this as an entry point as it's somewhat affordable compared to the GT3, what do you think of the 997.2 with the PDK, I am a fan of dct gearboxes, so .2 makes sense to me as am entry point
Great video, actually I can see the emotions from your face whole time. Love it haha !
Thank you mate
I couldn't agree more! I feel that you and I are in love with the same car. I own a 2006 CS, 6 speed manual. Most fun car I've ever owned. Mine is red guard and has 110 K miles, and you'd never guess it. A real head turner and a car with a soul! I think when the motor dies, I'll just put a new one in.
I do have a question: a friend of mine installed a cold air intake in his, is it really worth it? Any pros and cons? Thank you!
The more you drive it the better. The cold air intake will make a tiny difference and I would keep it stock if I was you.
Thank you for the advice! I may indeed just let it be and keep the original intake.
Also, I had a new stereo put-in, which didn't fix the problem I have always had with the fiber optic loop: when starting the car, I get a very loud noice going all around, from one speaker to the next. It can be fixed temporarily by turning off and on the ignition several times until the stereo starts playing music. After that original start, the stereo works properly all day, even if I make several stops during the day. Have you ever experienced such problem? Any idea how to fix it? The people who installed the radio said they could perhaps bi-pass the loop...? I'm concerned they may create more problems. Any thoughts? @@invictusporsche
great cars and I love them. An american such as myself would love them even more with a v8 or v10 or v12 twin-turbo option I understand they know what they are doing but I LOVE THE V8 POWER SOUND ETC.
People hardly ever do a conversion but a v8 would be amazing
I know this 997.1 carrera s could match the bmw m3 v8 in a sprint because I was in it and the experienced driver that driven it challenged the 911 and could not beat it.
What a beautiful spec…. Especially without the sport chrono
Thank you, Glad to hear you like it. How comes you prefer it without Chrono?
Interesting, Sport Chrono is a brilliant option in my opinion.
@@invictusporsche I’ve been driving the Boxster S 987.1 for the last 3 years in the US - a dream. It has the sports chrono and I find it totally not useful as it doesn’t even tell the time. Further, the fact that the design is very “rounded” / curvy around the gauge itself dates the car quite a bit compared to a clean dashboard without Sports Chrono. Further, I really enjoy driving but I’m not a pilot so I can’t really benefit from it.
I can see how it makes sense for PDK cars for instance, where it changes the behavior ofthe ‘box (I think?), but for manual cars, a clean dashboard is definitely my preference.
@@kazzz6666 Sports Chrono is not just the useless clock. It changes the response of the accelerator and sharpens up the suspension in both Manual and Tip.
Don’t forget the sticky buttons you get with 997.1 it’s always objective but 997.2 is more comfortable, better built, higher quality interior finishes and more reliable without the overhyped bearing issues ... just my personal opinion having owned both
Your option is not far from the truth but a lot of people prefer the engine noise from the 997.1. Also they are considerably cheaper compared to Gen 2. What do you drive?
For me the 997.2 is the one:).
what year was the porsche in this video?
Hi, it is a 2007 model
So why don't people keep there porsche long I'm look at 2020 carrera s most with 3 owners
That’s a good question. Maybe they jump to other generation of 911.
It's 3.8l. I think I hear you say 2.8. Not sure how non direct injection could make the throttle feel better
No he did say 3.8, just rewind
Hi non direct infection is a closer relative to carburettor smoother and progressive power delivery less complicated easier to service six injectors is over complicated along with two gearboxes and two clutches which will devalue quicker
I know all 911s are the last of something, but “the last of the non-DFi engines” is very, very weak “last of” argument. 🤔
Thanks for the feedback. Which 911 do you have?
@@invictusporsche
Evening!
I own the last model with two 9’s and a 6 in its name. 😜
I’d urge anyone looking at a 997 to buy a DFi post ‘09 car.
It just takes all the guesswork and worry out of the equation, compared to the cars with the chocolate M97s. 👍🏻
@@marky9117yep, and then you discover that also 9a1 engines show bore scoring...
@@Vic-E.
Yes but nothing like the scale of m97/m97s. Nowhere near.
@@marky9117 still needs an engine rebuilt if happens
Couldn't agree more. The 997.1 is truly sensational. It has everything you could want in a small, responsive and soulful package.
A genuine, usable sports car.
Interestingly, the 3.8S engine is more powerful than any GT3 engine (even the 992) up to 4,500rpm. And how much time do you spend above 4,500rpm on the road?
And don't forget about the risk of the intake getting coked up with carbon on the DFI engines!
Fantastic summary there. What do you drive?
I bought mine new 16 years ago. I've owned several Porches, and this one with a manual is my favorite. Best car I've ever owned.
Glad you are enjoying it. How many miles are on it?
I’ve never owned a Porch before. Is there anything I should know before buying one?
Basheer, you guys delivered my 2005 997.1 C2S two years ago this week. The smile I had on my face when I first drove it is there today - absolutely love it and it's going to stay with me. You are totally right - the 997.1 is the 911 sweet spot and definitely the one to have 👍👍
Adam, thank you for the kind words. We remember my friend, I pleasantly remember your 911. It was an amazing spec. How is it going?
@@invictusporsche faultless. I've made a few cosmetic OEM+ upgrades and done some mechanical preventative maintenance stuff along with regular servicing, at 92k miles friends who go in it cannot believe how solid, rattle free and fast it is 😁. Buying a car like this site unseen after a call with you and a video wlakround was a gamble, but talking to you Basheer for a while before buying you filled me with the confidence I was buying from knowledgeable and trustworthy team - and you over delivered 👍👍😁
Good decision on buying back then. They are more money now
@@mrenigma6274 and just a great car.....
@@adamlane5182 it means a lot to hear this my friend. I am really glad it worked out and that you are happy with us. I am not sure if you had left us a review but it would be amazing if you could Post simple the comment here to our Google business and Trust Pilot page. Far too often the good customers unfortunately forget.
A totally easy man to listen to, a calm manner of speaking that's uber easy on the ear unlike some of the other more graphic talking from overseas the english reviewers are some of the best & have to put in a mention for chris harris, it's a thumbs up from me for an all round pleasant review.
Thanks Colin for the massive compliment ❤️🙏😊
This video by Basheer pretty much sealed the deal on my (new to me) 2006 997.1 C2S manual.
This 911 is now my Goldilocks driver and shares space with my 2001 gated manual 360 Modena.
I must have watched this about a dozen times, and can relate to all the subtleties that Basheer mentions about the 997.1 experience.
Awesome review, you have genuine passion and a great knowledge of the 911.
Subscribed from Australia.
Thank you David, I appreciate you and the support. I’m so glad you bought one, life is too short not to.
Mind if I ask how much you got it for?
A man of taste
I have one...with PSE, sports chassis, sports suspension, sports steering, sports chrono, manual gearbox.... absolutely love it... its a completely manual-mechanical yet fluid driving experience.... great vid !
That’s mega spec. How many miles have you done on it?
@@invictusporsche ~105k km. Just had to replace all the coolant hoses and crossover pipes. Otherwise the engine seems to be good. Cheers
Thank you, I have confirmed that I will never sell my 997.1 4S, I’ve had it since new (2008).
That’s amazing, very few 1 owner 997s these days. How many miles have you done in it?
@@invictusporsche today it stands at 185,000 KMS
@@alfredomendez3841 Wow i bet you have created some amazing memories in it.
I just bought a 997.1 c4s cabrio. Absolute stunning car and the feelings you are talking about is exactly the same feeling i get everytime i drive it. Fantastic car and preview. Hi from Ireland. Stephen 👊
So glad you made the move and hope you enjoy it for a long time
I had a couple of 997s years ago and liked them both. I did prefer the 3.6 as it did not have PASM, which to me was either too soft in high speed bends, or too stiff in sport. I like the power in the 3.8 but the IMSB (non-replaceable for all but the very early 997s) and the bore scoring issue now make these cars a non starter for me. I would get a 996, do the IMSB and enjoy it.
I agree with your analysis. If you do consider 996 then definitely go for the 996 c4s
Don't forget the 987.1 boxster, so much of the same analogue, soul and character of its bigger brother. In a brilliant little package.
You are right and fantastic value for money too
Bought my low mileage Carerra 2 almost 2 weeks ago, driven the hotter and newer Porsches, but this is the classic sports car for me. What a driving experience, punches above it’s weight.
It’s a very mechanical feel and will stand test of time
Future collectible! I think 997.2 Manual Coupe S models will be the big ones 📈
Why not the .1 ?
@@billzbillz8117 Produced in larger numbers so not as rare & they have IMS engines
@@jongib6096 if the ims issue has already been resolved with proof then shouldn’t they rise also ? Just thinking works out like 10k cheaper
Plus the pdk is meant to be good on the .2 but triptonic not so good on .1 so most will probably go for the manual. Are these ever going to go below the price they are now or will they all just rise ?
I've only driven the 997.1 4s and I loved it
What do you own?
Saw this description when you first posted. Second viewing confirms what it is like to listen to an enthusiast. Lovely, Thankyou.
Thank you so much for your kind comment. What car do you drive?
Lost me at your specification is a sunroof 🤣
Such an awesome review! I have a 997.1 C2S (‘05) with more than 105k miles, still going strong. My quad exhaust tips are all of the same size as compared to one big and one small tip on this one. Do you know if it’s because of the sport exhaust option?
Exactly Is that option that change the exhaust
We have mostly seen them in different size. Yours is prob a special option
Love my 997.1 C2S for every reason you listed. Well done
Glad you are enjoying it. How many miles have you done in it?
@@invictusporsche right around 12k miles
So you prefer indirect injection… right.
Man-you-al transmission
Man-wel transmission ...
Haha love it
I have owned a 997 C2S Cabrio manual for 16 years now. It has only 28k km on the clock. My brother bought now a 992 targa GTS brand new. The new one is truly gorgeous and insane fast, but the old one still has incredible charm. I love driving both around :)))
I have a 997.1 manual. 130K KM, any advice what to watch out for? Still haven’t changed the clutch.
Just change the oil regularly, don’t worry about the clutch unless issues engaging etc
@@invictusporsche thank you. I have this infamous bore scoring. Two clear and clean lines. Mechanic said it’s ok but every 10k KM now I need
To do the oil change and monitor now each time with the camera the progression of the bore score.
Spot on mate. 2007 C2S 6 speed checking in with just over 100,000 mi and running like a top.
Personally I like to keep it under 3,000 RPM until temperature is up to 200° f before romping on it to help minimize scoring issues.
Otherwise the car is an absolute gem to drive for all the reasons listed. After the 997, the 911 platform really does start to get too big. The 997 gives you enough modern amenities that it's a comfortable car while still maintaining the raw purpose of a 911 sports car.
My 2007 is specked with the 19 in Carrera Sport wheels, Bose, Sport Chrono, Sport steering wheel, etc along with a full exhaust and intake system upgrade.
This is a forever car for me so I will slowly keep tinkering away and upgrading bits as I go making it a bit of a subtle sleeper.
Cheers.
You have a good spec 997 and I like that you are slowly adding your touches to it whilst enjoying the car
My Lisboa, Portugal, friend allowed me to test drive his 2006 997 Carrera 4S. I could not get over how quickly we reached 90mph (144kph) from a standstill. I just stepped on the gas and didn't "floor it." I have a greater appreciation for people who desire to purchase this vehicle. Just my 1967 Mustang, no room in the back seat for adults, only kids
Glad you tried it and hopefully enjoyed it too. They have loads of power and handling is where the magic happens
I’m currently trying to sell my 997 Carrera s . Anyone know any good forums etc she’s on autotrader but no luck as yet. Had it valued and definitely advertising 1/2k less that I was told. 05, 30,000miles.
Stunning car. Again any advice?
How much?
Very well said! I have driven every 911 generation and most trim levels (I work for a Porsche specialist), and still think my 997.1 C2S is special! 100% agree sound is more soulful than the 997.2.
My favorite pure driving 911 driving experiences still are the 964 RS for air cooled cars and 997 GT3 RS 4.0 for water cooled, but you can’t live in those every day like a 997 C2S!
Thank you for the comment. The 997 c2s is definitely more soulful and a lot more affordable compared to the .2. Are you working in UK for a specialist?
Great Video , thanks.
Thank you. Appreciate the comment ❤️
Love my guards red with aerokit 997.1 C2S. Even think I might have a couple short clips of it on my channel. People ask me all the time if it is new, lol.
The aero kit is so beautiful, hope you don’t get any major issues with the car. It must be in stunning condition if people ask that. How long have you had it?
Was waiting the whole video to hear that M97 sing, didn't happen 😢
We can hopefully make it sing on the next video
I totally agree. There is just something about the 997.1 The engine sounds great. Nothing like it. For me though the suspension is so firm-maybe I am just getting on a bit.
Compared to other sports cars, it is not too firm. There may be aftermarket suspension options for you
Great video. I just bought a 2006 997 Carrera 4S. Very pumped!!!
So glad for you. How many miles has it done?
The last non-direct injected engine is the 2.9 9A1 in the 2009 987.2 Cayman Base
Thank you for the clarification. What do you drive?
Does it have aftermarket exhaust ?
The car is sold now but I’m sure it was stock from factory
Congrats Basheer. Hi everyone. I just bought one 997.1 GEN1. The car has no exhaust with flap control and i am thinking about changing the exhaust system. what are the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks and have a good time.
Hi mate, congrats on your car. Have you considered doing a gundo hack?
@@invictusporsche Hi mate, I dont now if they are allowed in Switzerland. Where can I by them? How much thay cost? Warm regard
@@arbenbizati3013 they should be allowed as it does not cause issues regarding emissions. Most good welders can do the modification for you. Google Gundo Hack, it is basically welding a 1.5"-2" pipe connecting the 2 pipes of the muffler. It creates a beautiful sound
The centre console is so ugly that it is a deal breaker for me.
It can be repainted or changed. Not a difficult job
I've got the exactly same spec'd out one but Porsche Cayman S 987.1 version (manual of course). The finishing and everything is identical to your specs which include those sports seats plus, Sports Cronos pkg, PASM and Sports wheel. I consider these options to almost mandatory but sadly, it's not the case when ordered. You can find these specs more on 911 but not Caymans cause they're considered the poor man's version. However, for some unknown reason, my previous original owner spec'd it out to $88k Canadian in 2006. Which is like 911 pricing. The only complaint I have is mine has 59,000kms and if I keep driving it daily, it'll accelerate the depreciation. So I've put it into storage but I miss my drive like an old girlfriend. I do insure the car when I have something to do on the Porsche and start up the engine regularly. You are so right when you step on the throttle, even at neutral, I could feel the back of the car press down with it. No other car like it.
That’s a pretty unique cayman you have. The balance on the cayman is ready good, honestly do not worry about depreciation as you’re going to see much more value from driving your car rather than sitting like a queen in a garage. How long have you owned your car?
@@invictusporsche I picked it up in Sept 2022. Used it as my daily for a year, it’s in storage mode now. There’s a huge price gap between a low milage S (59,000 kms) like mine @ $40k CDN and a high milage (over 100,000 kms) @ $30k CDN. My suspicion is when it gets to over 100k kms, it tends to suffer from bore scoring. So I’ve put the brakes on the depreciation and danger of bore scoring. As time goes on, there will be less 987.1 cause most owners won’t rebuild the engine. It’s estimated to be about $30,000 CDN.
@@josephlim8941yours is relatively low miles for the year. Do some trips in it and you will have great memories with it
@@mrenigma6274 As I’ve said, I used it as my daily for a year already. Enjoyed all 10,000kms. I closely manage the car, start it up and idle until optimal temp. If I have something to do with the car, I’ll insure it for the day.
What do u think if a 997.1 that has 158k miles for $17k
Buy it
Or lead it to me lol
You can’t go wrong, if you do and end up rebuilding the engine you still got a cracking value
NICE
Thank you Gee. What do you drive?
@@invictusporsche not a Porsche unfortunately. I have a black Mazda 6 touring. It's lovely tbh
It's great, but my 997.2 Carerra S is better lol
Have you made any mods to it?
@@invictusporsche just tinted the windows and that's it
You have a more reliable motor for sure. Some argue the DFI mutes the sweet song of the flat six to some degree.
@@coreyegan6751 That is certainly true regarding the DFI engine being more muted compared to the gen 1.
@@invictusporsche Nobody really talks about the carbon build up on DFI engines! was only ever done for emissions spec, not good long term, great vid btw!.
Because of the insufficient oil system, the engine will explode if tracked sooner or later. Regardless, bore scoring is imminent. Although significantly more expensive, dot 2 is a way more sensible choice if you like to drive on a track.
Ticka Ticka Time bomb tra la la. Couldnt agree with you any less. Gen 2 car is simply superior in every respect. For one you get a nights sleep!!