I have a 2006 997S Cabrio (6 speed) which I bought new. I have driven and owned Porsche cars for over 50 years and have driven most of the current 911 models. No other 911 has given me the satisfaction and joy of this model. It is a most balanced feel, with a tactile sense of oneness with the car. I love driving it every time I leave the driveway and although, someday, I may buy an upcoming new 911, I will never part with the 997.
I agree 100%. I am a 20 year Porsche owner and as the new cars become more "gadgety" and full of computers I find myself enjoying the simplicity of the 997s even more. No doubt the new Porsches are faster and capable, but I also feel they have also gotten much larger, sophisticated and refined in a way that has lost some of that intimate connection you get from the more mechanical feel of the 997s. I have owned my 997 C4S for 11 years now and still get excited to drive it every time. Thanks Tommy for the great review. It was nice to see your reaction and big smiles while driving the 997.
@@qikqbn77 I am currently considering my 1st Porsche and the 997,996,Cayman and 718 are affordable. I've grown up as a 911 freak and the driver car bond a must and I like to those sounds. Also like speed. Im looking for advice as I have no car guys to help. But I want pops and such.
like the porsche foldable bucket seats! it‘s a must have on track and gives a firm hold. i just have the driver seat, super easy to switch back and forth with original seats. however not too easy too find and quite pricey these days.
I had my 997.1 on the track at Area 27 - created by Jacques Villanueave - for 2 days this past June. It is an amazing car. My dream car since I was 12 yrs old. I waited 38 yrs and got it July 2019. As the other guy said, Welcome to the club. I'm also the VP for BC Interior Region of PCA. Great people.
I thought the same thing. I have an 06 C2S . PDK is better.. there, I said it. Mine is a MT6. I personally prefer the manual. I have a friend with a Dodge Challenger RT. He gets me on the get go but, RPM’S take over on my side. He’s friendly until the twisties. Goodbye! He says it’s too scary to keep up with me in the mountains. We don’t drive crazy. I can just enter and exit way better than the Dodge. I think a lot of it might have to do with tread contact. His tires are “skinny” when compared to mine. He has to brake when I don’t. Scary but enjoyable.
I considered the 991.1 before picking up the M3. The decision really came down to practicality as the car was going to be a fun car for the whole family. The seats and storage makes the P car impractical for the whole family for road trips. The driving dynamics is great, I’d say, better for than the M3 at the margin. It really really depends on your use case. If you want a car that can do it all, M3. If you want a car for yourself and your wife only and track days, Porsche.
I have 981S Boxster PDK and 997.1 Carrera S Coupe with manual transmision and short shift. I love the analog mechanical feel of the 997. Makes you feel connected to the car at all times and enjoy a more classic driving.
As someone who's been in your position before, I ended up choosing a manual V8 R8 over the 911. Was just more exciting of a car for me. I still have it 8 years later, and am never letting it go unless I wreck it. If you want mechanical, I think it's worth your time to try a manual R8 before deciding for sure. Or just fly out to Chicago and try mine 😁.
Agree,followed an R8 in my 997 the sound is amazing but it looks like a little square box. The design dates the car,the 997 is a Sophie Loren of the car world curvey and sexy.Dateless and still on point.
The lean helps the turn in, if you stiff up the front too much you will get lots under steer. You will need to increase the front track by adding spacer to counter the under steer.
Cant go wrong with a 997 in my opinion beamer has amazing handling but i feel they’ve always been second to porsche you wont regret you decision i look forward to seein those porsche vids you’ll be posting in the near future.
I know exactly what you mean. I sold my M4 for a 997.2 a few months ago and it’s the best, most engaging and mechanical feeling car that I’ve owned. I find myself wishing my 1 hour commute in traffic would last longer when I’m driving it. I would definitely keep the M3 since your kids are still young and get a 997. The 991 felt too numb in my opinion but I would get it if I was looking for a 911 as a daily.
Tommy L Garage none at all...power is more than enough for me...the raw feeling and enjoyment more than makes up for the power gains I had with the M4. I looked for a while before I found a clean 997.2, which I wanted for reliability and I got a 2016 GTI as my daily 😂
Love how the owner of the 997 said you have to keep it straight decelerating into the corners, because it's a rear engine. Then they agree that problem has been diminished by moving the engine forward over time... until they came out with the Caymen! The owner of my main repair shop that I use races and his answer to my considering a 911 was: keep your Boxster, it handles better! (I drive my sports cars on two lane mountain roads, not on a track.)
Fun video. Having owned an E46 and 997, the difference is pretty big. Btw, not to get too technical or geeky, but it doesn’t matter if a car is front, rear or mid engine, you ALWAYS brake in a straight line (talking track). There can be slight trail braking or some overlap, but to get proper turn in at corner entry, you need to load the fronts as hard and late as possible, without being too late. This applies to all cars.
They are tremendous; I've owned two! I just sold my second one to buy an Alfa Romeo 4C, because I believe every car enthusiast should own an Alfa at least once, too :)
That’s what the boys from Top Gear always said. My buddy did the exact same thing. Went from a 991 to a launch edition 4C and tracked the hell out of it. That’s a car just built for Motorsport.
A masterpiece like a Porsche is like a pair of $100k speakers; anyone can admire the finish, the noise and the power but it takes an expert to enjoy it's full potential. Also, much like a good car needs a smooth, curvy road ... a fine pair of speakers needs jazz or classical music to really shine.
Tommy, you don't need the latches. In fact the seatbelt is the recommended method (latch just makes sure the installation is simpler and lowers the chance of misinstallation). Check rennlist for baby seats that fit and installation instructions are there as well. You will have to cut the carpet on the back shelf to expose the upper anchor. IMS is only really an issue for early 05 cars. Good luck and welcome to the best 911 - the 997 :) I went M3 to 911 as well and there is NO going back.
Hey Ottawa buddy , please share me where I can find accurate information about IMS bearing failure and bore scoring for 997.1 and 997.2. I had a 997.1 and had unknown engine problems and I had to get rid of it. Now I’m back in market. I have heard that 997.1 is more raw and little less refined feeling than 997.2. I prefer that. Is that true? Is 997.2 is noticeably refined? I want to know if 997.2 can be raw enough to fulfill my Porsche dreams. Or should I take another risk and buy 997.1?
@@TommyLGarage That's EXACTLY the combo I'm running. Tesla Model 3 Performance is what most of our miles are done in. The C2S is for canyons, around town or, soon track days. And the model 3 aftermarket is growing big time.
@@ashishpatel350 I know, I know... I was just kidding. I'd love to Subaru bring back their flat 6. I remember some Legacy's having them, sucks it wasn't turbocharged. I did like what Marty from Mighty Car Mods did with Supergramps
So I hit the age of 60, and I had owned every type of Mercedes, and I was about to buy another one, and I thought maybe that was just me in the default setting, so I wrote down what I wanted from my next Mercedes and I found myself with a list of about 5 things and one of these was long-distance comfort one was speed and nothing on my list said sports car. So in an effort to break from my Mercedes mindset I brought a Bentley GTC that was 14 years old, and it was lovely, and then it happened I went out in a friend 991, and I was hooked on 911s, but I couldn't afford the 991 and the Bentley, so I found a 997 and all I can say is that this is the most amazing car its so small and fast I got a C4S and whilst the GTC will suite every occasion as I head towards old age having the 997 parked next to it makes me feel as if old age will never happen. Mine is a triple black stick shift 2006 Gen 1 and I will probably keep it forever as besides another 997 I cannot think of anything else that comes close to the smile it puts on your face every time you turn the key and hit sport mode
That’s quite the journey you’ve had! I actually picked up a 991.2 Carrera T and it’s everything I’ve ever wanted. I’m typing it as I stare at the car in my garage. I really love it. But I’m also happy you found the perfect car for you. Wishing you lots of happy miles!!!
@@TommyLGarage went from M3 to M2 comp to Carrera S. Out of the three, it doesn't have the highest horse power, but the handling and feel doesn't even compare.
There is something about the sound of a Porsche- smooth, understated, and visceral. Glad you had a fun time, looking forward to some 997 content. (Thanks again for the splash guards, can’t believe I drove my F80 for two years without them).
Dude tracks the car and has not installed a deep sump pan and baffle? Not good. I do not think this is a good track car (I own one). It’s an amazing daily driver. If you want a track car get a 718 cayman and reflash the ECU.
had 996 turbo for 4 years+ it was amazing. Sometimes I miss it, but 997 turbo would SET me right! I love more refined interior and exterior! front bumper with headlights and fog lights and rear tails+ They say 996 turbo feels more mechanical. I drove mine, rain, snow, shine.....
Well, that review changed my mind about buying an F80 over a 997.1 or 997.2. I've had 2 Porsche's already (80's cars), and LOVED THEM. Not the fastest but the one that makes your emotions race every time you fire it and wind it up. THANK YOU for an honest review and not being able to withhold your expression made it a great review.
I’m glad you mentioned bore scoring. Most people only mention the IMS problem. Most 997 M97 engines post Feb/Mar of 2005 have the newer larger single row bearing which while not serviceable is more robust and the failure rate is lower. The bigger problem is bore scoring. Due to the metallurgy of the cylinder linings, bore scoring is a problem more often found on 997s in cold weather climates. Apparently when it is really cold the pistons no longer fit properly inside of the cylinder, so don’t start your 997s when it’s really cold. This was also potentially exacerbated by some mid-western winter fuel blends that at idle was washing away the oiling. So just be careful when shopping for a 997.1, get the bores examined if possible. I ultimately found an opted for a higher mileage 997.2 (S with 6-speed manual). A high mileage 997.2 is relatively close in price to a low mileage 997.1. If equal in miles, the 997.2 will be up to $20k more, but you get a more powerful (30hp in the S) direct injected engine without bore scoring or IMS issues and you get more modern infotainment electronics. They didn’t make as many 997.2s and manuals are more rare, but worth looking for. Great cars either way!
Paul L I appreciate the concern!! Yes I’ll have an update soon. Just super busy with work and selling my house and buying a new one. TLG 2.0 coming soon :)
I think that 997 blows the doors off the M3. Classic lines. The new M3/4s look so dated after each refresh. It wasn’t always the case. The E36/46 and E92/93 were very classic and minimalist in their design- and still look good and modern even today.
The interior of that 997 is quite rough. I have a 1 owner, built to order Porsche 997 Carrera 2S that I bought with 27k miles. It was still a brand new car at 11 years old with the EXACT spec that I wanted as I wanted particular options such as hardback bucket seats with embossed leather headrests, extended leather, Bose, Bi-Xenon, PSE, PASM, heated seats etc etc. It was rarely driven, maticulously maintainted/serviced and kept in a heated garage. The leather was all brand new, the grain looked untouched even on the steering wheel. I didn’t want Sport Chrono as I don’t like the dashboard clock. It clutters the classic design cues. So I wanted PSE along with the PASM, same thing as Sport Chrono, just no annoying dash clock. Mine also has the specially optioned 19” Carrera Sport Design wheels. I also have a 2017/18 BMW F80 M3 Competition too. I feel much safer in the 911! Much more planted and stable when cornering and it doesn’t try to kill you every time you drive it like the M3 does with it’s batshit crazy turbo boost! The 997 C2S is a much better car to drive. Handles better and there is no “pendulum effect” with the 997. That’s BS. Furthermore the 997.1 C2S is 355bhp stock. Well, probably more like 365bhp-370bhp as Porsche understate their power statistics. It’s the 997.2 Carrera S that has 385bhp stock.
Reaching out to Nour Hummadi, Justin Bruce Kies Motorsport, Tommy L Garage...guy my 2011 BMW 335i xdrive has the following code 0028A0, 002FAA, 002EE2 and 002EEC can you please help me out l’ve change spark, plug coils and fuel injector on cylinder 3
I have had a 2016 m3 for yrs. Love it so much I couldn’t part with it, but had to have a 997 so I decided to have both much against my practical side. Totally different cars. Both fun cars to drive, but the m3 is an easier car to drive. Better for city driving.
Very late post: I have a manual 2010 Porsche 911 C4S Cab. It is a very fun car to drive. I also have an automatic Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 diesel offload pickup truck, which I have used for 4x4 offload driving, as well as for winter driving. 8 inches of snow, no problem. Who cares about shoveling snow from the driveway. Also very comfortable. Both are fun but in different situations. The 911 manual is also great because it red lines at 43 mph. This means that I can put my foot down and hit the red line without breaking the speed limit. I have considered if I would ever buy a modern PDK turbo (which can do sub 3-second to 60mph) and discarded that idea as it just wouldn't be as fun. If you put your foot down you will get to illegal speeds too quickly. This means either daintily driving a 911 Turbo versus aggressively putting my foot down in a manual, and feel the emotional buildup as the revs builds up.
Also, the IMS was an issue in cars with engine numbers beginning with 385..... The late 2006 onwards with the engine numbers beggining with 386.... had the IMS more or less resolved and less prone to bore scoring. Bore scoring is down to people not allowing their cars to warm up properly. If you add a shot of ZX1 to your fuel every so often it fully protects the cylinder liners. You only need one 50ml shot every 25k miles but I add one every 5k miles. Regardless, the IMS and bore scoring affected a tiny percentage of the 1st generation 997’s. It’s just over exaggerated by the internet due to so many people seeing one of the very few cars affected.
Please try a 4S. Try paddle shifting a PDK. And try a 997.2. And dude, don’t underestimate the fun of a cabriolet. Especially in the canyons with the redline exhaust note echoing back in the cabin. Try em all. Take your time.
A superb car wonder if altering the tyres and shocks has upset the balance ? Mine is a std 2S -1 a delightful drive had a full geo that was well worth doing. Perfect shaped body before going on the current steroids obsession IMO.
I'm really thinking to go back to Porsche's _ Like I mentioned I had 2003 996 turbo. I want 2007 997 Turbo! 6spd with just a tune and exhaust, extra 80hp+ easy! around 580hp!+ Plenty of power! And Porsche turbo with straight pipe design exhaust- smiles!
Keep the M3, as I said I have the F80 M3 Competition and the 997.1 C2S. The 997.1 C2S is still a quick car, 0-62mph in 4.5 seconds and it’ll do 190mph. Don’t ask how I know, I just do 😉
I don’t experience this lean you mentioned either, maybe it’s down to the setup of that car and the geometry. As for the steering, upgraded sway bars would add some benefit but I’m assuming that the bushes may need looking at?
The 997 is an absolutely fabulous car. 2010 C4S owner (my first which I bought for my 50th in 2014). I also just bought a concours 1985.5 944 which is also fabulous for other reasons. Did you hit the PSAM button (put into sport mode) as that stiffens the suspension considerably.
I've been so tempted to part with my E92 M3 for a 997.2 S 😭 I've never driven one though so always wondered if power and handling were up to par for a non GT 911.
@@micraw714 E92 M3 feels big and heavy by comparison, at least compared to a 996. I've driven them back to back. Can't say for sure on 997 but expect the same with a little less raw/light feel in the 997 but more refinement. Handling on a 997 can be made exactly the same as a GT3 because all the suspension components bolt up
@@Rockit181 that's good info, I appreciate that! I think going from a heavy front engine car to a lighter rear engine car will be a really fun transition 😁
Another option you've got is to replace the PASM struts altogether. I'm running KW v3s on my 2006 C2S. With 245s on the front. But yes. Once you've got a 911, it's hard to want much else.
I have a 2006 997S Cabrio (6 speed) which I bought new. I have driven and owned Porsche cars for over 50 years and have driven most of the current 911 models. No other 911 has given me the satisfaction and joy of this model. It is a most balanced feel, with a tactile sense of oneness with the car. I love driving it every time I leave the driveway and although, someday, I may buy an upcoming new 911, I will never part with the 997.
I know exactly what you’re referring to. 997 is such a perfect car
I agree 100%. I am a 20 year Porsche owner and as the new cars become more "gadgety" and full of computers I find myself enjoying the simplicity of the 997s even more. No doubt the new Porsches are faster and capable, but I also feel they have also gotten much larger, sophisticated and refined in a way that has lost some of that intimate connection you get from the more mechanical feel of the 997s. I have owned my 997 C4S for 11 years now and still get excited to drive it every time. Thanks Tommy for the great review. It was nice to see your reaction and big smiles while driving the 997.
@@qikqbn77 I am currently considering my 1st Porsche and the 997,996,Cayman and 718 are affordable. I've grown up as a 911 freak and the driver car bond a must and I like to those sounds. Also like speed. Im looking for advice as I have no car guys to help. But I want pops and such.
I have a supercharged 997 C2, it is definitely a blast to drive.
I love mine as well
I have a Flat 6 Innovations 997 and it’s amazing. Not sure why you compare the S model to a GT4 though. The M car is fine but it’s no 911.
I drove a gt4 a week earlier
like the porsche foldable bucket seats! it‘s a must have on track and gives a firm hold. i just have the driver seat, super easy to switch back and forth with original seats. however not too easy too find and quite pricey these days.
I agree. They’re so amazing
a 2006 porsche 997 with a 3.8 M97 motor has a non serviceable IMS bearing and those cars don't have IMS issues.
Welcome to the cult, Tommy. Fun to see your genuine reaction to the 997. Once you experience a Porsche, it really is hard to go back...
I can’t stop thinking about it...
I really like my daily driver M2C, but when I get back in my GT4 every couple of weeks, it just really is special.
There must be something about BMW people progressing towards 911’s...I test drove a 997.2 manual last week and I kinda see it happening.
I had my 997.1 on the track at Area 27 - created by Jacques Villanueave - for 2 days this past June. It is an amazing car. My dream car since I was 12 yrs old. I waited 38 yrs and got it July 2019.
As the other guy said, Welcome to the club. I'm also the VP for BC Interior Region of PCA.
Great people.
Unless you don’t prefer understeer...
If I were to get a GT3 the 997 generation is the one I would aim for... such a gorgeous car... and ages so well
Totally agreed!
It aged beautifully except for the rear and interior. The rear looks very dated to me. Like old old. But the sidea and front still looks fantastic.
Yes that’s one for the record books and will go down in history as one of the best 911s ever.
Not with those tail lights. 991 looks better in every way.
997.2 GT3 RS for me, such a beauty.
I think the 997 is going to be appreciated very soon. Love my C4
Agreed
I hope to buy one next year. Hopefully it holds off until then. Prices are already getting nuts.
@@WilliamJSisti low mile 997.1 C2S in 2020 went for 35-40k, today that same car is $50-65k. Prices have truly gone insane.
That's a 355hp 997.1 if it was a 997.2 it would be 385hp. Either way still a quick vehicle
And it would have pdk. The 997.2 is honestly such an upgrade (unless ofc you wanted manual still)
I thought the same thing. I have an 06 C2S . PDK is better.. there, I said it. Mine is a MT6. I personally prefer the manual. I have a friend with a Dodge Challenger RT. He gets me on the get go but, RPM’S take over on my side. He’s friendly until the twisties. Goodbye! He says it’s too scary to keep up with me in the mountains. We don’t drive crazy. I can just enter and exit way better than the Dodge. I think a lot of it might have to do with tread contact. His tires are “skinny” when compared to mine. He has to brake when I don’t. Scary but enjoyable.
385 was available in the 997.1 with the power pack (x51)
I thought I was watching a Nick Murray video at the beginning with the intro lol. Good work!
Thanks! Only similarity between the two channels is the love for classical music :)
@@TommyLGarage + Porsches
I considered the 991.1 before picking up the M3. The decision really came down to practicality as the car was going to be a fun car for the whole family. The seats and storage makes the P car impractical for the whole family for road trips. The driving dynamics is great, I’d say, better for than the M3 at the margin. It really really depends on your use case. If you want a car that can do it all, M3. If you want a car for yourself and your wife only and track days, Porsche.
I might just get a 997 as a second car :)
your wife should get the practical car and your should get the porsche.
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i had the cayman 981 gts before, then switched to the m4. the cayman drives better. the bmw is a better all-rounder.
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Once u drive porsche u never go back.Nice upgrade from BMW.
The Carrera looks so clean. I love the sound. Great video
I agree. It was beautiful
Can't watch more then 48 seconds into the video seeing you guys have face diapers on
I have 981S Boxster PDK and 997.1 Carrera S Coupe with manual transmision and short shift.
I love the analog mechanical feel of the 997.
Makes you feel connected to the car at all times and enjoy a more classic driving.
I agree. And it must be experienced
As someone who's been in your position before, I ended up choosing a manual V8 R8 over the 911. Was just more exciting of a car for me. I still have it 8 years later, and am never letting it go unless I wreck it. If you want mechanical, I think it's worth your time to try a manual R8 before deciding for sure. Or just fly out to Chicago and try mine 😁.
I like the manual r8 but I always wanted a 911. Can’t scratch the itch!! Lol
Agree,followed an R8 in my 997 the sound is amazing but it looks like a little square box. The design dates the car,the 997 is a Sophie Loren of the car world curvey and sexy.Dateless and still on point.
Beautiful 997. Can you guys share the specs of the BBS E88?
The lean helps the turn in, if you stiff up the front too much you will get lots under steer. You will need to increase the front track by adding spacer to counter the under steer.
Good to learn. Thank you!
Cant go wrong with a 997 in my opinion beamer has amazing handling but i feel they’ve always been second to porsche you wont regret you decision i look forward to seein those porsche vids you’ll be posting in the near future.
I’m searching!
Def. BMW not sports. Sports kinda car
Great vid! What are the specs of those BBS e88s? Thanks!
I know exactly what you mean. I sold my M4 for a 997.2 a few months ago and it’s the best, most engaging and mechanical feeling car that I’ve owned. I find myself wishing my 1 hour commute in traffic would last longer when I’m driving it. I would definitely keep the M3 since your kids are still young and get a 997. The 991 felt too numb in my opinion but I would get it if I was looking for a 911 as a daily.
That’s such good advice. So no regrets? Power is enough for daily ??!!
Tommy L Garage none at all...power is more than enough for me...the raw feeling and enjoyment more than makes up for the power gains I had with the M4. I looked for a while before I found a clean 997.2, which I wanted for reliability and I got a 2016 GTI as my daily 😂
Its a great car, that's for sure, but I have a F83 as a daily and a 997.1 c2s as a weekend car.
I find the 997 as a daily makes it less special.
You are lucky m4 is a shit box
Lol wearing masks outside
This was so long ago
I have the 997.1 turbo stage 1
Its stupid fast and an amazing car.
I kind of want a 997 turbo too
Love how the owner of the 997 said you have to keep it straight decelerating into the corners, because it's a rear engine. Then they agree that problem has been diminished by moving the engine forward over time... until they came out with the Caymen! The owner of my main repair shop that I use races and his answer to my considering a 911 was: keep your Boxster, it handles better!
(I drive my sports cars on two lane mountain roads, not on a track.)
It’s not a race car but it’s a lot of fun to drive and isn’t that the point. Love my 997.2 Carrera S!
Fun video. Having owned an E46 and 997, the difference is pretty big. Btw, not to get too technical or geeky, but it doesn’t matter if a car is front, rear or mid engine, you ALWAYS brake in a straight line (talking track). There can be slight trail braking or some overlap, but to get proper turn in at corner entry, you need to load the fronts as hard and late as possible, without being too late. This applies to all cars.
Good point...thanks!!!
So what’s a better car if you had to choose one? 997.1 S manual or e46 m3 manual?
They are tremendous; I've owned two! I just sold my second one to buy an Alfa Romeo 4C, because I believe every car enthusiast should own an Alfa at least once, too :)
Now that’s a great argument!!
That’s what the boys from Top Gear always said. My buddy did the exact same thing. Went from a 991 to a launch edition 4C and tracked the hell out of it. That’s a car just built for Motorsport.
You know what they say, BMW may be the ultimate driving machine, but w/Porsche - there is NO SUBSTITUTE!
I’m starting to see it!
A masterpiece like a Porsche is like a pair of $100k speakers; anyone can admire the finish, the noise and the power but it takes an expert to enjoy it's full potential. Also, much like a good car needs a smooth, curvy road ... a fine pair of speakers needs jazz or classical music to really shine.
that is exceptionally well said!
Tommy, you don't need the latches. In fact the seatbelt is the recommended method (latch just makes sure the installation is simpler and lowers the chance of misinstallation).
Check rennlist for baby seats that fit and installation instructions are there as well.
You will have to cut the carpet on the back shelf to expose the upper anchor.
IMS is only really an issue for early 05 cars. Good luck and welcome to the best 911 - the 997 :)
I went M3 to 911 as well and there is NO going back.
I want to get the best of both worlds: 997.2 and my M3. :)
If he thinks that’s “analog,” he’d love the 993 and 964.
Tread carefully when talking air cooled vs. water cooled with Porsche fans ... it's religion.
Jesus dude why you had to rape this car like that with those rims.......smh
Hey Ottawa buddy , please share me where I can find accurate information about IMS bearing failure and bore scoring for 997.1 and 997.2.
I had a 997.1 and had unknown engine problems and I had to get rid of it.
Now I’m back in market. I have heard that 997.1 is more raw and little less refined feeling than 997.2. I prefer that. Is that true? Is 997.2 is noticeably refined?
I want to know if 997.2 can be raw enough to fulfill my Porsche dreams. Or should I take another risk and buy 997.1?
I would not go .1 route. .2 all the way.
any way to find out which exhaust and wha the wheel specs are?
Maybe contact the owner? But he himself doesn't know
@@TommyLGarage perfect, do you know where I can contact the owner? lol
Id sell the m3 outright, get a sub 30k daily driver & spend the rest on a 997 GT3 instead of an S
I’m thinking Tesla for DD and 997 GT3 :)
@@TommyLGarage That's EXACTLY the combo I'm running. Tesla Model 3 Performance is what most of our miles are done in. The C2S is for canyons, around town or, soon track days. And the model 3 aftermarket is growing big time.
If only Subaru would make a mid engine sti.
It’s called the 718 boxster/cayman lol
Yes !!!!!
@@MarkCalica doesn't have awd.
But I'm more interested in Subaru updating their flat 6 to compete with the 911
@@ashishpatel350 I know, I know... I was just kidding. I'd love to Subaru bring back their flat 6. I remember some Legacy's having them, sucks it wasn't turbocharged. I did like what Marty from Mighty Car Mods did with Supergramps
So I hit the age of 60, and I had owned every type of Mercedes, and I was about to buy another one, and I thought maybe that was just me in the default setting, so I wrote down what I wanted from my next Mercedes and I found myself with a list of about 5 things and one of these was long-distance comfort one was speed and nothing on my list said sports car. So in an effort to break from my Mercedes mindset I brought a Bentley GTC that was 14 years old, and it was lovely, and then it happened I went out in a friend 991, and I was hooked on 911s, but I couldn't afford the 991 and the Bentley, so I found a 997 and all I can say is that this is the most amazing car its so small and fast I got a C4S and whilst the GTC will suite every occasion as I head towards old age having the 997 parked next to it makes me feel as if old age will never happen. Mine is a triple black stick shift 2006 Gen 1 and I will probably keep it forever as besides another 997 I cannot think of anything else that comes close to the smile it puts on your face every time you turn the key and hit sport mode
That’s quite the journey you’ve had!
I actually picked up a 991.2 Carrera T and it’s everything I’ve ever wanted. I’m typing it as I stare at the car in my garage. I really love it. But I’m also happy you found the perfect car for you. Wishing you lots of happy miles!!!
Dude murdered a mosquito and turned the guys steering wheel and shifter into a bio hazard 😂
I don’t follow. Please elaborate
"Nit at the same level ofmy M3" .. yah, it's ABOVE, this is an SPORTS CAR not a Sports saloon LMAO
Any other words of wisdom??
The owner shoulda smacked fire out of you for smacking the window of his 911 just to try to kill a mosquitoe. You spazzed out. Smh.
Haha
sell the m3 and have a 997 track car and tesla model 3 performance as daily
This is an excellent choice actually
@@TommyLGarage
Christian von Koenigsegg dailies a M3P and claims it's the best daily you can buy. I'd say that's a pretty reliable recommendation.
My friend owns a M3 comp package, he drove my 991.2 and has been on Autotrader looking for weeks now...
Porsche bug!
Just wait until you drive mine 👍
Let me know !
"..I really wanted the folding seats." you go boy!!
Haha easy there
Those fold-able buckets are just killer!
I agree !
I did consider a Carrera S... and bought one. No going back now....
Glad to hear!! I might do the same
@@TommyLGarage went from M3 to M2 comp to Carrera S. Out of the three, it doesn't have the highest horse power, but the handling and feel doesn't even compare.
Traded in my DCT E92 M3 towards a 997.1 911S 6-speed. So far so good.
Congrats!!!
Looks great on those wheels with the front kit and duck tail. Simple but effective
I agree. Super classy
Did he not show you the PASM button??? Want stiff? Thats what does it.
Yes. It didn’t help
Those gt2 seats cost more than some people’s entire car
True!
lol at those masks. Man what a stain on our timeline.
Awful
You should experience the 997 TT Mezger
If you are in Florida you can drive mines and make a video.
I heard they’re amazing. But my second car I want something v8
Just got one a week ago. Loving it and already did muffler delete
Must sound so good!
The 911’s power is everything BUT linear. 🙄
This one is very linear since it’s NA
I'd let you drive my 997 with a LS3 swap for a review perhaps we can arrange that for sometime in Dec or Jan since you are based here in NJ
TBG yes!! Now that would be an experience
@@TommyLGarage I'll tag you on a couple of IG pics of my setup @seneca911 and we can stay in contact that way.
There is something about the sound of a Porsche- smooth, understated, and visceral. Glad you had a fun time, looking forward to some 997 content.
(Thanks again for the splash guards, can’t believe I drove my F80 for two years without them).
Glad you’re enjoying them !
And yes. The sound is so amazing
Dude tracks the car and has not installed a deep sump pan and baffle? Not good. I do not think this is a good track car (I own one). It’s an amazing daily driver. If you want a track car get a 718 cayman and reflash the ECU.
But then you need to deal with a bad exhaust note of the 718
Just depends what your purpose is. Neither car will be heard when next to my 94 SPec Miata
What are your rims 19,20,s????👍
20s
997.1 does not have 385, but 355 hp.....
Yes. I corrected myself:)
I’m looking into a 996 gt3 or a turbo. And those are my dream car
Very awesome cars
had 996 turbo for 4 years+ it was amazing. Sometimes I miss it, but 997 turbo would SET me right! I love more refined interior and exterior! front bumper with headlights and fog lights and rear tails+ They say 996 turbo feels more mechanical. I drove mine, rain, snow, shine.....
Please include startup
exhaust tips are not symmetric....
True
Well, that review changed my mind about buying an F80 over a 997.1 or 997.2. I've had 2 Porsche's already (80's cars), and LOVED THEM. Not the fastest but the one that makes your emotions race every time you fire it and wind it up. THANK YOU for an honest review and not being able to withhold your expression made it a great review.
It’s gorgeous from every angle
Agreed !
I’m glad you mentioned bore scoring. Most people only mention the IMS problem. Most 997 M97 engines post Feb/Mar of 2005 have the newer larger single row bearing which while not serviceable is more robust and the failure rate is lower. The bigger problem is bore scoring. Due to the metallurgy of the cylinder linings, bore scoring is a problem more often found on 997s in cold weather climates. Apparently when it is really cold the pistons no longer fit properly inside of the cylinder, so don’t start your 997s when it’s really cold. This was also potentially exacerbated by some mid-western winter fuel blends that at idle was washing away the oiling. So just be careful when shopping for a 997.1, get the bores examined if possible. I ultimately found an opted for a higher mileage 997.2 (S with 6-speed manual). A high mileage 997.2 is relatively close in price to a low mileage 997.1. If equal in miles, the 997.2 will be up to $20k more, but you get a more powerful (30hp in the S) direct injected engine without bore scoring or IMS issues and you get more modern infotainment electronics. They didn’t make as many 997.2s and manuals are more rare, but worth looking for. Great cars either way!
I’m searching for a 997.2 or maybe 997 GT3
Awesome!!! You need to try 996 turbo... I got one :) lmk if you want to give it a test drive.. love your videos !!
Sounds good! Let me know when !
@@TommyLGarage we can meet when ever you want. I'm in nyc .. but I can go to Jersey better roads to test it 👍👍
Who wears a mask outside?
This was years ago. Easy to pick on us now after the fact.
It’s 3am in Las Vegas thanks for uploading
Thanks for watching ! Hope partying was good :)
Is everything OK? Never seen you go two weeks without a video.
Paul L I appreciate the concern!! Yes I’ll have an update soon. Just super busy with work and selling my house and buying a new one. TLG 2.0 coming soon :)
@@TommyLGarage Okay. Good to hear. Thanks for responding.
Get the Turbo, no IMS BS.
True
I think that 997 blows the doors off the M3. Classic lines. The new M3/4s look so dated after each refresh. It wasn’t always the case. The E36/46 and E92/93 were very classic and minimalist in their design- and still look good and modern even today.
I can’t stand the new M3
Great video once again Tommy. Oohhh I like the fact you said partner for your m3
That’s the plan!
The interior of that 997 is quite rough. I have a 1 owner, built to order Porsche 997 Carrera 2S that I bought with 27k miles. It was still a brand new car at 11 years old with the EXACT spec that I wanted as I wanted particular options such as hardback bucket seats with embossed leather headrests, extended leather, Bose, Bi-Xenon, PSE, PASM, heated seats etc etc. It was rarely driven, maticulously maintainted/serviced and kept in a heated garage. The leather was all brand new, the grain looked untouched even on the steering wheel. I didn’t want Sport Chrono as I don’t like the dashboard clock. It clutters the classic design cues. So I wanted PSE along with the PASM, same thing as Sport Chrono, just no annoying dash clock. Mine also has the specially optioned 19” Carrera Sport Design wheels. I also have a 2017/18 BMW F80 M3 Competition too. I feel much safer in the 911! Much more planted and stable when cornering and it doesn’t try to kill you every time you drive it like the M3 does with it’s batshit crazy turbo boost! The 997 C2S is a much better car to drive. Handles better and there is no “pendulum effect” with the 997. That’s BS. Furthermore the 997.1 C2S is 355bhp stock. Well, probably more like 365bhp-370bhp as Porsche understate their power statistics. It’s the 997.2 Carrera S that has 385bhp stock.
Thanks good info!
Reaching out to Nour Hummadi, Justin Bruce Kies Motorsport, Tommy L Garage...guy my 2011 BMW 335i xdrive has the following code 0028A0, 002FAA, 002EE2 and 002EEC can you please help me out l’ve change spark, plug coils and fuel injector on cylinder 3
Could be as easy as a leaky intake hose.
The difference between the 997 and your car is that he can drive it to and from the track. You'd be lucky if your car doesn't blow up.
Actually I drove my car to and from the track many times. Your comment makes zero sense.
I have had a 2016 m3 for yrs. Love it so much I couldn’t part with it, but had to have a 997 so I decided to have both much against my practical side. Totally different cars. Both fun cars to drive, but the m3 is an easier car to drive. Better for city driving.
I ended up selling my M3 and bought a 991.2 Carrera T
Very late post: I have a manual 2010 Porsche 911 C4S Cab. It is a very fun car to drive. I also have an automatic Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 diesel offload pickup truck, which I have used for 4x4 offload driving, as well as for winter driving. 8 inches of snow, no problem. Who cares about shoveling snow from the driveway. Also very comfortable. Both are fun but in different situations. The 911 manual is also great because it red lines at 43 mph. This means that I can put my foot down and hit the red line without breaking the speed limit. I have considered if I would ever buy a modern PDK turbo (which can do sub 3-second to 60mph) and discarded that idea as it just wouldn't be as fun. If you put your foot down you will get to illegal speeds too quickly. This means either daintily driving a 911 Turbo versus aggressively putting my foot down in a manual, and feel the emotional buildup as the revs builds up.
Very well said!!!
Also, the IMS was an issue in cars with engine numbers beginning with 385..... The late 2006 onwards with the engine numbers beggining with 386.... had the IMS more or less resolved and less prone to bore scoring. Bore scoring is down to people not allowing their cars to warm up properly. If you add a shot of ZX1 to your fuel every so often it fully protects the cylinder liners. You only need one 50ml shot every 25k miles but I add one every 5k miles. Regardless, the IMS and bore scoring affected a tiny percentage of the 1st generation 997’s. It’s just over exaggerated by the internet due to so many people seeing one of the very few cars affected.
Hhmmm you’re making some good points. Thanks again!
What exhaust is on this 997? Headers, high flow cats, muffler, etc,etc...?
Thanks!
The owner didn’t know. He bought it like this
Please try a 4S. Try paddle shifting a PDK. And try a 997.2. And dude, don’t underestimate the fun of a cabriolet. Especially in the canyons with the redline exhaust note echoing back in the cabin. Try em all. Take your time.
Good point. My only concern is I track my cars so cabriolet is out
I too have 2006 997s cab with a few mods, h and r springs gt3 alignment spec, 20" wheels and mod exaust, is a blast to drive, very agile and balance
It’s amazing
A superb car wonder if altering the tyres and shocks has upset the balance ? Mine is a std 2S -1 a delightful drive had a full geo that was well worth doing. Perfect shaped body before going on the current steroids obsession IMO.
balance seemed fine :)
Have both if you can. I have a E93 M3 with V8 and Paddle shifters and a 996 Turbo S manual. Very different both awesome.
Now that’s an idea...
I'm really thinking to go back to Porsche's _ Like I mentioned I had 2003 996 turbo. I want 2007 997 Turbo! 6spd with just a tune and exhaust, extra 80hp+ easy! around 580hp!+ Plenty of power! And Porsche turbo with straight pipe design exhaust- smiles!
I’d be fine with a NA 997.2 c2s
Why a 997.1 Carrera? Because you like to change engines? Turbo or GT3, the rest isn't that good engine wise.
Turbo would be amazing
I love my 996 for 10 years now, but I think it may soon be time for an upgrade in hp so I’m thinking.........997.2 S......
I am indeed also looking for a 997.2S :)
Keep the M3, as I said I have the F80 M3 Competition and the 997.1 C2S. The 997.1 C2S is still a quick car, 0-62mph in 4.5 seconds and it’ll do 190mph. Don’t ask how I know, I just do 😉
haha
Hard to believe but im looking at a 997 also, and I have F80 M3 in YMB lol - Did you buy it?
Good choice. I’m searching and will pull the trigger in the spring. Thinking 997 GT3 actually or TT
IMS in 997 hmmm...
Yup
I don’t experience this lean you mentioned either, maybe it’s down to the setup of that car and the geometry. As for the steering, upgraded sway bars would add some benefit but I’m assuming that the bushes may need looking at?
Maybe sways and bushes would fix it
The 997 is an absolutely fabulous car. 2010 C4S owner (my first which I bought for my 50th in 2014). I also just bought a concours 1985.5 944 which is also fabulous for other reasons. Did you hit the PSAM button (put into sport mode) as that stiffens the suspension considerably.
I did use the button. By the way I love the 997.2. Selling it? :)
I've been so tempted to part with my E92 M3 for a 997.2 S 😭 I've never driven one though so always wondered if power and handling were up to par for a non GT 911.
With a bit of work it can be. Now I need to find a 997 GT3 to drive
@@TommyLGarage yes that'll be cool! I've always wondered if the carrera vs gt are as dramatically different as the regular 3 series vs the M 🤔
@@micraw714 E92 M3 feels big and heavy by comparison, at least compared to a 996. I've driven them back to back. Can't say for sure on 997 but expect the same with a little less raw/light feel in the 997 but more refinement. Handling on a 997 can be made exactly the same as a GT3 because all the suspension components bolt up
@@Rockit181 that's good info, I appreciate that! I think going from a heavy front engine car to a lighter rear engine car will be a really fun transition 😁
997 carrera better handling than M3 M4
How was the ims issue addressed? Just curious to know any possible options that can fix that issue.
It was upgraded when the clutch was done
Czesc,
i had the cayman 981 gts before, then switched to the m4. the cayman drives better. the bmw is a better all-rounder.
Greetings
from germany.
911 is a different story :)
Looks like he got a 991 instead... lol
Another option you've got is to replace the PASM struts altogether. I'm running KW v3s on my 2006 C2S. With 245s on the front. But yes. Once you've got a 911, it's hard to want much else.
Good call!
You haven't driven a 992. I also have a 997.2. A big difference.
I’d prefer a 997.2
My uncle has a 2008 Carrera S. He bought it because it is his dream car
It’s a lovely car
Take the stupid masks off please
Why? I deal with my elderly parents and I do it to protect them you mook
Tommy L Garage “mook”what is that?
Got an orange 997 GT3 RS from 2007. An amazing machine.
That’s the perfect car!
Just wait til your In a position to buy a 991 gt3 or GT4. You'll regret comprising. Don't need a complyent track car
You might be right