Are Subcompact Pistols Obsolete? Vs Micro Pistols
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- A detailed look at the pros and cons of subcompact pistol vs micro pistols.
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This channel is by far the most approachable for the topic of firearms, your method just makes me feel like I’m learning from a COMPETENT friend who is teaching with focus and purpose.
Definitely one of the best gun reviewers on TH-cam! Always an honest opinion and obviously a lot of shooting practice with all of the 1K round reviews
Windwulfboi took the words right out of my keypad. Well done once again.
I agree. This and lucky gunner for me.
Yeah, definitely better and more informative than TYM.
@@AB-ks3iw Garand Thumb is good also.
My journey through micros and subcompacts took me full circle right back to the G19. Carry what shoots best for you.
Exactly what happened with me as well I still carry my 26 every now and then but my Glock 19 is what I trust over all my carry guns
Literally same exact story here. Ive had every damn micro you can think of, wasted thousands of dollars and hours of trading, all to end up right back at my stock Glock 19 that i just got a few days ago. Theres just nothing like it. 43X +S15 is the only thing that comes close
@@armorist6570 100% agree! The G19 is just so accurate for me, I'm done trying the latest greatest. Glock already did it.
Kind of the same here, but with the Arex Delta M, which is essentially the same profile as the G19 (uses the same holster). Tried a lot of other pistols but every time I shot them, including the G3C and the P365 (which I also own) and the other micros I've rented... I liked the Arex more and more.
Ironically while renting those at the range, the salesmen basically hinted at what our journey's end would look like, so I think a lot of people in the business feel the same way. I now recommend staying with subs or larger whenever people ask.
I can see using a micro as a backup pocket pistol, but if you're in that bad of a shootout, or your primary equipment fails that badly, then I'd say you're screwed no matter what.
I dont like anything smaller than a glock 19. I carry that size and bigger. Use to carry hi-point. Jhp .45 for years concealed lol
i am 85. i have tried p365, hellcat and other like it. the smallest gun i shoot well and is my favorite was the shield and now the shield plus fills all my my requirements.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Love hearing about an 85 year old still carrying. 🇺🇸👍
Shield 🔫🛡 Plus PC is the best gun I have ever owned or shot. Can't think of anything that could use improvement. 🤔
Hell yeah. Good on you for keeping on top of protecting yourself, sir.
@@gearbarrel6237 thank you
thank you
Glock 26 is one of the greatest handguns of all time. Before it’s time, still relevant today. Respect
I completely agree and then I saw your username lol. I've prob watched 20 of your videos. All on the G26..You do good work sir.
@@markm592thanks man, I appreciate that. Respect!
@@markm592 in 2nd that statement...but cz p10s ftw spn lol
@@spacedaddycereal73love my cz p-10s as well! I consistently tell people that the p-10s and shield plus are by far the best values out there. Respect
I’d say that for the G27
It is really all about your carry needs. I carried a G19 style Gucci with a dot and a 3 shot extender. Mostly because I had to. But when I am doing daily business, I carry a P365, I live in a dangerous city with loads of "gun free zones," so the smaller profile is what I need. And it's light weight is a welcomed comfort when I am running a 100 miles a week.
deep concealment is underrated
I actually think that guns like the hellcat pro, P365macro, Glock 43X; and now with the Echelon coming out (with its new features); they are changing the "game" forever which is the reason why they've been so abundant in the market today. As a gun owner I think it's a very exciting time to be alive and I look forward to seeing what the major companies like FNH, Glock, Sig, S&W, Springfield come out with next.
Eh haha will see what the future holds right now it’s not good.
I looked/handled a Echelon at Lgs. that is a full size frame. You might get away with calling it a compact but not sub or micro. I didn't get a chance to shoot it but it does feel good in my hands. I would have a hard time wearing that IWB! It would be a fun gun to use at the range/bedside or even local small competition. The one I looked at didn't have the o[tic, (as all the reviewers had!) and it was selling for 679!
@@douglassalley9117i also handled it at brownells recently, thats not full full size, but def too large to carry for most. On a side note, it did feel very good in my hand. Ive got smallish hands with skinny digis so its tough to find grips i actually feel good about. Sadly im not a huge fan of S&W but their grips feel very very good in my hands. The echelon caught me offguard with how comfortable it felt.
@douglassalley9117 I included the Echelon because of its features, and I think it has its roots based on the Hellcat. Not to mention what they did, they could easily make other, shorter, grip frames for it.
I disagree that it's a great time to be a gun owner. Ignoring the hostile political climate, we really have a rather slim variety of choices. Yes, we have tons of polymer striker fired Glock ripoffs and AR15s. Aside from those two niches, the selection is pretty terrible. Take AKs, for example. Or revolvers. Or FALs. Or bolt action hunting rifles. Or lever actions. Not everything should be a self defense tacticool gun, but that seems to be the only niche manufacturers cater towards.
Chris.. always bringing GRADE A Content... real info and not a gun snob... reviewing guns that are the most purchased!! Keep it up, brother!!
Hell yea. Chris keeping it real.
Definitely not obsolete, but I love shield+. Hands down, my favorite carry gun.
The Shield + with its better grip, higher capacity and nice trigger is my EDC as well.
I like that mofo 2 but I like 365 cuz it a little smaller
All of the internals on the Glock 26 work for the 19, 17 and so on except for the guide rod.
but can you pocket carry all 3 at the same time?
@@danieldoyle7839o but that’s not the point my man.. The point is parts and magazine compatibility during a shtf situation
@@spnfirearms I watch your videos, im joking isn't that a topic that pops up a lot? I bought a 26 because of you
@@danieldoyle7839 haha yes! That’s true. I love pocket carry over here. I often struggle if I try to pocket carry the 26
I sold my shield plus for an M&p 2.0 subcompact. Flush fit mag in the sub holds 12 vs 10 in the shield plus, takes standard M&p 9 mags vs special shield plus mags, fatter grip better for my big hands, pic rail for more light options, slightly longer barrel for velocity… it was a no brainer for me. I sacrificed a little bit of weight and comfort but I still carry it everywhere, every day
One of the reasons I absolutely love my P30SK as my EDC-it is a subcompact that shoots more like a full size, and I can always put a full capacity 20rnd stick mag in if desired. Have had and shot smaller pistols that are easier to conceal sure, but at the end of the day the P30SK is always back as my primary carry
So basically a g26 size , which also can handle any other combat size glock mag.
@@jeedwards1981 essentially, albeit more ergonomic and slightly longer grip than a G26 in my opinion.
i love my p30sk so much.so beautiful, shoots so well. Mines a V3 wbu?
Which trigger?
Man subcompacts are relevant bro…Yes the micro is great for conceal and fit against the body…but hand-size matter. Larger hands love subcompact and larger.
I still think compact 3.9- 4.0 inch barrel is the sweet spot for concealed carry and performance.
Yup compacts conceal very easily and shoot much better than micro compacts. A g19 sized handgun is a the best do all 👍🏻
I have been happy with the G48, stick with the factory 10+1 capacity until Shield Arms fixed the 15rd mags(one day…maybe)
I’ve tried the Glock 43, 43x and 365. Just could not connect with them. Proficient pistol shooter but the thinner guns gave me issues. Got a Glock 26 and can shoot it exceptionally well. Almost as good as my Glock 19.
Really? I shoot just as good with the 43 and 45 I was figuring I would drastically improve going with a full size but it was almost exactly the same.
I concur. Can’t get past the fact that if I knew I’d need a gun that day the 26 is the least I would grab. 365 is nice to carry but would never get the nod if trouble was known to be coming.
@@mc4056 I have larger hands but more than anything long “alien” fingers. So kinda like honest outlaw explained the thinner grip guns makes me have to pull my trigger finger in way to close so it’s hard to get a good trigger pull. Not a issue with a Glock 26 for me. Now my wife, very small petite gal she can handle the 43 alright.
Sub compact will always have a market in the Midwest. Micro 9s are great for warmer weather with thinner more fitting clothes. But in the Midwest and more northern states, you can stuff a sub compact with more capacity with heavier clothes.
Im a smaller guy, so I plan on getting a Ruger LCP or something like it for summer, and carry my Glock 43x during the fall to early spring.
I’ve always felt that my goal for an EDC pistol was not necessarily the smallest possible pistol but rather the pistol that I can comfortably carry and shoot reasonably well. For me, not all the micro nines fit that definition. I’d rather carry a slightly larger pistol that’s still small enough to be comfortably concealable because I can shoot it so much better. The only way I know to figure this out is to shoot a lot of different pistols until you find what works best for you.
For instance, I hated my 365 until I discovered the Wilson grip module. It’s my favorite EDC now
No definitely not obsolete, I think most micros dream of being subcompacts and best micros are the ones teetering on sub compact size like the XL and the 48 size “micros”
Still taking a 26 over the 43x and 48 any day even with the thickness but I’m carry the XL till I die
PURE GOLD insight and advice from 10'25" to the end of this video.
Appreciate the descriptions "worming" (never heard that before) and explaining trigger reach.
P365 platform accepts 10 rd flush, 12 rd, 15 rd, and 17 rd magazines. Sig Mags are expensive, but you get all adapters and the adapted magazines fit cleanly without much wiggling. Carry the tiny 10 round when you must, but you can extend the grip with a bigger magazine.
I use a combination of the standard P365 (usually with 12 rd sized grip) and the X-macro. I find it easy to be efficient with one platform, and I shoot the standard P365 pretty well because I can practice so much with that style. I swapped out the curved trigger with a flat one in the P365 because I’m that anal. It’s just my mini-macro.
The macro is a better shooter and easier to get a good grip, but the smaller the grip, the easier to conceal.
Not saying it’s for everyone. Lots of great options out there, including but not limited to the examples Chris used. If you plan/hope to expand on the same platform, my advice is to start small and build up with extended mags.
You hit the nail on the head. As much as I want to love one of these skinny micros, that Canik TP9SC just fills out my grip so well.
I honestly don’t think they’ll ever be obsolete because some of us, especially me, need that fatter grip to have good control over the pistol. I just can’t shoot a micro as well.
Exactly
I'm not dogging Outlaw here, but I'm not sure how this is even a topic worth discussing. Can you conceal the gun well enough for concealed carry? Does it have enough capacity to feel safe? If so, who the hell cares if it's a sub or not??
Sure, Micros are the hot item right now. And what many people who buy before really thinking on it will often see is they aren't nearly as easy to shoot as something with a bit more beef in the grip, and a slightly longer sight radius.
Light and tiny as possible rarely means better. As far as I'm concerned, there's far fewer reasons to need that form factor over a compact or sub.
p365 has interchangeable grip modules get a bigger grip module for like $50 and it fits like a traditional subcompact but bring overall smaller
you're probably using something like the shield with its 2 by 4 grip. try the shield plus with the slightly fatter grip feels more like a doublestack while still being very thin
Personally I don't think anyone else can either.
Always appreciate your reviews. Definitely a help in reviewing a firearms, but also what is most important about choosing the right one for each person. Thanks
I have a g48 and a cz p10S and I usually carry at about the 3:30/4:00pm position and surprisingly I find the cz to be more comfortable and easier to carry.
the p365x seems like the best of both worlds. slightly longer grip to make it easier to control and larger capacity while keeping the small overall size
Nah I want a Kel tec p15
I have the xmacro and never go anywhere without it. It's comfortable IWB and I shoot it fairly decent.
I just picked up a Sig 17 round mag for my 365X and XL. I'll be getting more as they get em.
I have the xmacro. Love it for edc. Shoots very well with longer grip.
Yet another great video.
I got the P365 mostly based on Honest Outlaws recommendations. Also had a CZ P-10C.
Eventually decided that I wanted a P-10S since I liked the P-10C so much. But the P-10S never fit my hands like the P-10C or the P365. Even with a +2 extension on the magazine.
Now, a friend loves the P-10S, and I carry my P365 with pinky extension every day.
It feels like it was custom made for my hands. 👍
Truth! This channel is awesome. One of the few channels of many that aren’t try to push their views on my and just giving me honest feedback which is what I’m looking for. Whether I go to buy a new gun as sad as it sounds I always check your review first. Keep up the great work.
Hard to say they don’t have a place. Micros can be a little more “poppy” than I prefer. CZ p10s is my edc, not only does it hold 12+, you can insert a 2nd Gen p10c mag for 15+ and, if you’re picky, you can pick up a grip sleeve that seamlessly fills in the gap with grip surface. Love your videos, brother. 👍🏻
As a concealed carry permit holder, this breakdown was valuable in understanding the trade-offs and considerations when choosing between subcompact and micro pistols.
Hand size means a lot in accuracy, which is never the best under high stress, anyway. I have never found a micro or subcompact that fits my large hands well. I have long fingers too. I am only 6'1" 220, but I have large hands. I just bought my 1st 380 and its the 15+1 doublestack Ruger Security. Its about the same size as my G19 clone. It just came out last year too! I look and try to find something small, but I never have. Those tiny micro LCP's looked great to throw in my pocket, but shooting one would be awful with my hand size and I knew it. I can also shoot all my doublestack wider grip handguns all day long, and accurately, and comfortable too. Its just a bit harder to conceal tho for sure.
I feel the Shield Plus for me at least is 3 different gun feel when shooting and carrying with their 3 different magazine options 10/13/15 round mags
I love your point on modularity and compatibility, I have a bucket load of holsters but for EDC I basically only use two.
Love all your videos Brother. Thank you so much for sharing your insight and knowledge with all of us gun enthusiasts and CC's. I have learned a lot from you, and it is very much appreciated.
To my mind, the micro-9s are perfect summer carry guns. In the winter I'd probably go ahead and carry my PPQ because concealment isn't an issue.
Subcompacts are amazing shooters. If you need deeper concealment or lighter clothes go micro. Current favorite compacts is Hk vp9sk, and 3.6 m&p 2.0. Micros shield plus and Fn reflex.
Perfect solution.
@@desperateneedofscotchI often carry a p224 with a spare 229 mag for added cap when needed. My primary in cooler times or with pants is a Beretta cougar, though. I'm not a fan of the micro trend and it's nice to see so many people preferring compacts and subs.
How you liking that Reflex?
@@SliderFury1 Well thought out pistol from FN. The more you shoot it the better it gets. Hammer fired trigger that breaks in well. 500+ rounds in and no failures so far. Good value for $600.
I love my Walther PDP full size and my SIG P365X. The SIG P365X is on me 16 hours a day. I love my Vedder pocket holster for lounging around at home in comfort!
Al the points you talked about make so much sense it really helps when you are trying to decide on choosing a new gun, this is a great video
Very well articulated! I have never owned a micro or subcompact for this same reason! I have large hands and long fingers even tho I am a relatively a skinny guy. I just bought my 1st 380 and its of course a doublestack 15+1 3.42" barrel Ruger Security. Its nearly the same size as my G19 clone from Palmetto. Its shoots great too.
The P365 does have a 17 round magazine available to it. They can use the 17 round magazines from the P365 X-Macro.
Or a Glock 45
Excellent video!
For my hand size the Sig P365 XL works; with the standard size magazine with Mag Guts springs it is a 14 + 1 and easy to carry.
The Sig X Macro is also top of the line and easy to carry.
Thanks as usual for your outstanding videos. Trigger reach and where a handgun fits in the webbing between the thumb and first finger on the shooting hand is everything when it comes to finding a great fit no matter how much I may otherwise like or drool over a particular handgun. I am a glutton for pocket pistols, but I like subcompacts and compacts that fit me too. Luckily, all of the handgun manufacturers are moving away from the one size fits all concept (some faster than others) and are offering different sized grip modules instead of just different back straps. Great time to be a gun buyer and owner at least from the variety of handguns out there that can fit just about anyone.
I run a cz family so running cz p10s is perfect.
I have micro sized pistols that I enjoy, but if I had to choose between a subcompact and a micro my larger hands will favor the subcompact. I actually carry a regular compact most days. HK USP compact being my first choice. Great video as always!
You are spot on with your analysis that the trigger finger reach is essential for an accurate shooting experience.
My IWI Masada Slim requires me to combine thumb forward with revolver style grip to achieve a trigger reach that is comfortable and enables a zone hits .
My CANIK TP9SC Elite on the other hand allows me to either thumb forward grip it or revolver style - both enable accurate shooting as my trigger reach is perfect out of the box .
As for the basic question if compact and SC are still needed? I'll answer that for me next week when I get my S&W M&P 5.7. if all goes well, this will be my next go to EDC. We'll see ... Good video, thanks for sharing your opinion. And yes, you can go into a gun store, let the staff show you a couple of guns and leave without buying one . I have not had a situation where a staff member tried to talk me into purchasing a gun.
I think you answered the question Chris. The trigger finger length, small or big hands, grip circumference, etc. I agree, use what meets one's needs.
Everybody needs at least 2 or 3. Different occasions or dress code may call for different carry options.
love your videos dude! thanks for all you do!
Great video. 10:00 till the end was very informative and i appreciate you! Been a fan since 2020
I know your probably super busy with reviews of new and old guns but I think you’ll love the P10SC it’s a combo of the F/C and it’s on sale for a great price. Keep up the great work man truly the best guntuber out there!!
I have a very simple and relatively cheap solution if your micro 9mm's grip feels too small. Try getting a Hogue rubber sleeve for it. I have one on a S&W Bodyguard 380 and my P365XL. It gives some additional palm swell to my medium glove sized hands. The weight is negligible and the additional width is so minor that it doesn't cause the gun to print. I am also partial to the grippiness that rubber provides while still being soft pressed against my stomach.
The 43x or p365 is a perfect size in my opinion. Almost fits both categories. Great video.
365xl
Those are my warm weather carry. 19 in the winter, it's easier to find in my winter clothes.
Very well said. When I go into a gun store and I size fit a gun to my hand I will look down the sites and pull the trigger to see if the sites move much. It's not perfect indicator but it definitely helps determine trigger finger reach.
Objective evaluations with these types of firearms across the board, love to see it!
Different strokes for different blokes. My G26 gives me blisters and hot spots when I shoot it. My Shield does not. Thinking of trading in for Shield Plus, but man, I hate to give up on the G26. End of the day, gotta go with what works for you, and then train out the deficiencies. And it's so important to TRY before you BUY. Easy to think that just because a gun is known to be good that it'll be good for you too. That's what got me with the G26. Great gun, sure, but maybe not for me.
Superb content as usual! I think every firearms has a place. Personally, I haven’t found a reason to move from the 365 XL as my ccw
I’ll tell you one thing. I’ve carried a p365 for years since they first came out. About a year ago I ponied up the dough for a 3.25”/10rd Wilson Combat SFX9. I’ve been in sketchy situations with the sig before, and just recently I went through my first sketchy situation with the Wilson. I cannot overstate the difference in confidence that the Wilson instilled in me that night that I would be able to hit the shitstack across the parking lot before he could hit me. The difference in price may be about $2,000… but if you lost your life and got a chance to buy it back for 2k that would sound like a hell of a deal to most people all of a sudden
Started with the XDM compact then I went from P365, to the XL, to sharing the work with the 48, tried the Hellcat too, have carried a 19, then found the Shield Plus Performance Center ported 4" model. I shoot that better than any of the others, and it's actually fun to shoot. I recently got the 80x, which I thought I'd like more, but the size is amazing. My next stop is actually the M&P9 compact, as I think it's slightly slimmer than a 19. The grip and thickness are the pieces that affect me most. It's a journey, that's for sure.
My Glock 26 has been relegated to a backpack/glovebox gun only. Still waiting on my dream gun to replace my Sig p938. That's more than enough to fight to my backpack where I have a glock 26 and multiple 33rd magazines. Statistically, the fight should be done in 3-5 rds anyway.
Great content as always. One small correction though; the P365/P365X/P365XL will all take the 17 round magazine from the XMacro. They even sell grip sleeves for them to match up better.
Thank you sir!
And a comp slide, too
I do not have big hands and my MC9 shoots incredibly well in my hands. Love what Canik has done with it. I am switching it now with my Macro for EDC. great video
Coincidentally I couldn't find my P365XL holster on the way out the door this morning so I grabbed my FNS9C with Apex trigger and carried it for the first time in a while. I definitely noticed the size and weight difference right away but it wasn't bad. Great comparison video!
Great content. I went from carrying a CZ RAMI to a first generation S&W Shield to now carrying a P365. Even with XL hands I have not had an issue shooting the P365 well.
I have the Rami as a questionable purchase, but I keep it because it's kind of a throwback.
@@FredCheckers The resale value of the RAMI has about double in the past few years too. $800 is not uncommon. I was about to purchase a G26 when I came across the RAMI. The two guns were the same price and I am very glad I went RAMI. Like the Glock the RAMI takes the larger magazines (CZ75) so you can have a lot of rounds at hand.
@@scottperson9487 possibly should clarify I have a Rami P.
@@FredCheckers That does make a big difference.
The Wilson Combat XL grip module has been a blessing for my original p365.
Yep. In my opinion the Wilson Combat grip is the best upgrade for the P365 pistol.
Thanks for the continued quality and videos I want to watch at the right time.
It’s a great point about trigger finger placement. I have a Beretta APX A1 full size and a Shield Plus for EDC. While I normally pull the trigger with the pad of my index finger, for my Shield Plus I’m actually more accurate when I use the inside of my first index finger knuckle. In person practice & training = key (as usual!)
As much as people get hung up on the G43X and G48 mag capacity, I own both of them because of the grip/fit/shoot-ability and these were the smallest pistols I tried that I still shot really well! So I do agree with the final point, use what you can still be effective with.
I picked a CZ P-10S over a Shield Plus. I can deal with another 1/2 inch of slide and losing 1 round to get that thing on my hip. My single-stack PPS-M2 even has a role still. The thing insanely easy to carry and shoots like a compact.
Something you can't do with a Shield is slap a 22 round M&P magazine in it, but I can with a CZ.
That cz grip is too small.
The cz stipple does not seem comfy against skin at all
@@bobbyraejohnson I can get my pinky on the flush magazine but it's common to put extensions on it like a Glock 26.
@@johnnyhurley7161 It's very unpleasant but if you have it rubbing you then you probably just need a better holster. I haven't had that happen wearing kydex.
Idk this argument is weird why would anyone carry with the intention of the smallest profile and then carry huge mags.
If 7-9 rounds doesn’t do it carry an extra mag outside of that you’d just need to carry a rifle.
Too many people thinking they’re getting into the LA shootouts.
Of course more ammo is always better but the point is concealment + comfort.
This is actually a really good question. I think another question that could be addressed is how much benefit there really is between a standard 4"ish barrel and the larger 5"plus barrels with modern ammo and surging pistol quality all across the board by tons of different companies.
I have average-ish size hands and loved the canik mete mc9's trigger and fit so much after shooting a friend's. it'll be my first micro purchase.
When I’ve had family members with larger hands try to shoot my micro and subcompact guns, I’ve noticed accuracy issues due to poor trigger pull because of where their fingers sit in relation to the trigger, and also skin irritation due to where the back strap of the pistol sits (and thus hits under recoil). If I had large hands, I’d likely stick with a larger “compact” pistol. Unless I want a pocket gun, in which case I’d get a LCP Max and just deal with the poor ergos.
Exactly. I just bought my 1st 380 and its the 15+1 doublestack Ruger Security. Its about the same size as my G19 clone. It just came out last year too! Micro and subcompacts never fit my large hands well. I have fairly long fingers too. I look and try to find something small, but never have.
excellent video! I prefer SUB Compact over the Micro 9's. Shot side by side the P365 and the (now discontinued) CZ 2075 RAMI. I just did so much better in terms of shooting and handling. The RAMI is now my EDC. Excellent video! KEEP ON ROCKING!
Problem is finding a Rami. Everyone wants Shadow 2 $$$ for them used. I would gladly pay $700 for one if it ever materialized. For now, it's unobtanium.
@@fishinfool3795 Agreed! I bought my RAMI a couple of years back. Used it as my EDC. Then looked into the P365 craze. Shot it and went right back to my RAMI. Unfortunately, they discontinued the RAMI late 2019 early 2020. If you can get that Unicorn BUY it!...KEEP ON ROCKING!
I've never found anything smaller than a compact, doublestack that fits my hand well. I bet that lil CZ 2075 Rami with its doublestack mags would though. It figures they would discontinue it. Dam. I just bought my 1st 380 and its a 15+1 doublestack Ruger Security. I was amazed to see its pretty much the same size as my G19 clone. The micro and subcompacts never fit my hand well tho. I have long fingers and large hands. People have even told me that all my life.
@@fishinfool3795 Lol I have one
@@fishinfool3795 I'll sell you mine for 7
All good points. I sell guns and constantly tell people who "love" the micros (some are more shootable than others) that they are more comfortable to carry but considerably harder to shoot well. Even worse that the micros in your review are things like the Ruger LCP.
I appreciate the candid approach of this channel and the factual comparisons. I agree with the conclusions, subcompacts are far from obsolete. Keep up the good work! I learn something from every video.
Love my shield plus
You're so correct about finding the right sized gun for your hand. My primary edc started as a P365. It has since morphed into a P365X with a Bushnell RXU-200 micro red dot. It fits my hands perfectly and I'm very accurate with it. I'm a smaller framed guy and decided to try something smaller for summer carry. I got an LCP Max and have practiced plenty at the range. No matter how many rounds I put through it, I can't find a comfortable grip style/position that gives me the accuracy and repeatability I want. Bottom line is that this firearm does not fit my hand size and does not meet my needs. Even though it's popular and highly rated, it's not for me.
Try the Wilson Combat grip module for the P365. I found it to add just enough real-estate to make a difference for me.
@@RichWhiteUMyou are so right about the better grip
@@RichWhiteUM I have no problem with the 365X, it fits my hand perfectly, especially with a Hogue hand-all. The 365X is my primary edc. The gun that I find too small is the Ruger LCP Max.
Sub compact parts commonality. I agree. I bought full size Canik TP9 Elite mags for my TP9 Elite SC to plink with at the range. Saves me reloading time. Same with my 17 round G3 mags; they work fine in my G2C for range plinking.
Excellent informative vid thanks, I have larger hands so this will defiantly play into my next edc gun purchase.
As a taller guy, I can't run micro-handguns, but a subcompact gun fits pretty well in my hands.
I may get a lot of hate for saying this, but I feel like MOST micro sized pistols would be better suited for a softer shooting round like 380. Something like the P365 XL is probably one of the few exceptions to this rule because the extra slide mass & grip softens the blow just enough. But with its longer slide and grip, one can argue about whether it's a true "micro" pistol or not. Yes, with 380 you definitely sacrifice a good amount of power, but accuracy and speed are more important for self-defense in my opinion. Also, if the gun is more enjoyable to shoot, you are more likely to practice with it. And although 380 is more expensive than 9mm, 9mm in a micro pistol presents a much steeper learning curve for MOST people, which equals more required practice and more required ammo. A micro 380 on the other hand can be mastered by most people with much less ammo comparatively speaking, and it's much easier to have fun doing it.
I agree. I think that's why 380 is making a surge right now. When consumers learn they can carry a lighter recoiling round that passes FBI test standards in a smaller and more comfortable package, then you know what happens next. lol
Not all 380 ammo is made equal, but there are some loadings that meet the 12 inch penetration requirements and expand reliably. Bullet technology is only going to get better too.
I definitely want more 380 options.
Yhe Sub-Compact is a perfect fit for " ME " it's not too big & not too small. My TP9 Elite SC is perfect for me. I love your content. Nice video 👍🏾🔥
Very good articulation of size and fit issues. Thank you.
Love your videos, channel, and reviews. Really trust your opinion. Curious if you've seen, or have any thoughts about the psa micro dagger or micro dagger 15 rd magazines being flush fit in a 43x??? Could be relevant to this video/debate
I think the micro 9s are a fantastic step forward. Easy to conceal with good capacity. I have had the shield plus and a 43x. What I learned is I just don't shoot micros as well as sub compacts. The thin flat micros cause me to shoot left and I really have to hyper focus to hit where I want. With sub compacts I'm much more naturally accurate. I don't think I'm the only person with this experience so I think there will always be a place for sub compacts.
Excellent points, as always. FWIW, my "serious social occasions" carry is a CZ-75 P01, which fits well under a short-sleeve untucked shirt, even in very hot weather. (Cough-Phoenix-Cough) For ultra-concealed carry, I go to my Hellcat in a Remora holster in an open-topped cargo pocket on my pants. I can literally touch the gun at any time, yet it has never been spotted. I practice with both guns regularly, but always qualify with the P01, since it requires six COM hits at 25 yds. Both weapons have red dot sights and green lasers. 😎
This was the subject of my Recent Are Subcompacts Forgotten video....Micros are for the Pocket, Macros....the 3.4"-3.8 or even 4" long slice micros may be best for most to Appendix Carry All day, yet the SubCompact on the hip especially OWB may give better draw master grip recoil control etc where the thickness & usually couple extra ounces helps doesn't hurt to carry. Also wider grip between a 1" and a 1.3" will disperse percieved recoil over more surface area. Also, for those that have good recoil control
40 is still a very nice option contrary to intermet hearsay
G26 + 5rd extension is still shortest height 15 round pistol ever, can’t be dethroned!
Subcompacts have their place if they’re a G26, because you can always put a 33 round long stick in it.
And it still feels like you're holding a solid full size gun
I love the fun sticks!
Doesn’t a Canik full-size magazine fit into the Canik sub-compact giving you 18 or 21 rounds?
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@@randyhoneycutt8153cz p10s fits the 21rd mag from the full size version as well
My favorite carry is my P30sk. But it is a chunky girl. So sometimes I still enjoy carrying the p365 with an XL grip. So slim you forget it’s there.
Yep, that's basically the entire point of the micro-9 world. They exist solely because you're 10x more likely to carry something light and thin.
Good video, but something that impacted me and what I edc. Shield arms 15 round mag for the Glock 43x. I love the fact that I can carry a comfortable single stack subcompact with the ammo capacity of a double stack compact. Shooting did take some practice to get used to but was minimal imo.
I got a M&P 2.0 subcompact for $250 a year ago. With the magazine sleeves (not for everyone but I like them) you basically have subcompact to full-size grip/capacity options. Now they have the FPC extended mags too. I have options
As much as I love my micro 9 models (Masada 9S, P365XL, etc) I still find myself throwing a compact in the waistband more often than their slimmer brethren.
I personally as a skinny individual still find it's not worth the trade off to go smaller when I can carry my compact 509, PX4, or PDP just as easily and conceal pretty much the same. All things being equal, I go compact about 90% of the time these days.
Agreed, I have the p365xl, the fn reflex, and a shield, and I still find myself grabbing the 509c most often
Same, I started out with a micro (Hellcat), then went to some heavier micros (Shield Plus, Kimber Mako) and now I'm finding I prefer a subcompact. That extra bit of heft and thickness only makes like 10% harder to conceal but, for me, like 40% easier and more accurate to shoot with than the really tiny micros (and like 20% more than the Shield Plus/Kimber Mako).
Few more years I'll probably be up compacts lol. My frame is too small to ever concealed carry a full size but the more I shoot, the more I gravitate to how much more confident I feel with a bigger pistol.
Another solid video as always. There really is no way to compare what works for an individual without shooting them first.
I bought a P320 x compact (vs a 365 macro) because the grip fit my hand perfectly, with the exact trigger reach and length of pull that I need.
That said, I will be getting a 365 macro or xl as well.
365 for summer, 320 for winter.
Great channel. I used to live in creston. Your backyard gives me Iowa flashbacks
I bought a micro pistol and sold it to get a subcompact - the micro (hellcat) was so extremely snappy and hard to shoot well and fast even at 15yds that I got a G19 which I shoot WORLDS better. Micros sound good in theory - but shooting them absolutely sucks.
19 is a compact but I did the same.
That's a compact, not a subcompact.
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You should try the Canik MC9. Great pistol. Small, shoots great, accurate, NOT snappy AT ALL. Shoots better than my G19 IMO. Just got one after trying it out. Pretty much tried most of the competition at the range over the last few months. Totally agree with you on the Hellcat. Hated it. It also pinched my pinky between the bottom of the mag and grip. Hellcat Pro was cool, but no different than the G19 other than a slightly better trigger and more expensive. The Canik TP9 SC seemed cool, but I wasn't impressed after shooting it. It's essentially the same size as a G19, but REALLY chunky! Especially with the huge slide catch/release on each side. You'd think it would be smaller, but it's not. Basically just has different dimensions and shape. Made that a no go. Currently using the G19 as CC, but might move to the MC9 once proved 100% reliable at the range. And no, I've had 0 problems with it thus far.
Sounds like you should try the 43x. Same capacity as the G19 if using shield arms mags or micro dagger mags but thinner. Has the same length of barrel so it should be easy to shoot for you.
As an old guy I don't care for iwb. My edc is 30 years old and all steel. Heavy besturd but I find it comforting. I did like the video. It's always interesting to see side by side comparisons by Chris.
Shield Plus is my current carry-nice to have 10, 13, and 15 round mag options in a smaller gun.
Great video as always. I agree, the largest mico 9 pistols shoot considerably better than the smallest ones. Thinness matters a lot when conceal carrying. That's what makes the Shield Plus so interesting. Its thinness doesn't affect accuracy & holds its own against larger pistols. My PC Shield Plus with its 4" ported barrel shoots as good as my Ruger SR9C & CZ P10C pistols.
I greatly prefer the micro 9 category because you're much more likely to carry it, and let's face it, we carry, but more likely than not we'll not have to use our carry gun for anything. In that case being smaller and lighter but still having adequate shootability will win out.
I much prefer the micro 9. Now make one in DA/SA!!!
I'll take my 1st gen S&W M&P.40 with 4.25 barrel for any kind of carry ( because that's what I've got lol ) I put an Apex trigger and a spring kit in it and it's perfect for me with the biggest grip insert. Practice with what ya got fellers, and fellets.
I have a 2.0 in 9 with 4.25 " barrel and apex trigger, and a Holosun 507C. (lost mine rear sight, but I still carried it for 3 years) About 4 months ago I bought a S&W Equalizer turned out to be a good gun with 507K on it and 3.65" barrel. the grip is thinner and I carry in a We the people holster IWB. I carry it now and enjoy every time I go to the range. When bedtime comes it sits on a table with a 1100 lul. flashlight (not WML) .
Apparently you heard the debate I was having yesterday…! Thanks for the video; haven’t watched yet; but this will be the deciding factor. 🤟🏿✊🏿
Your channel is awesome.
I have a CZ P-10 S that I absolutely love.