Does A $400 Rifle Actually Work? The Bear Creek BC 15 First Shots
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A $7000 2011 and a $400 AR tested within 10 days of each other. That's one of many reasons why Chris is the best GunTuber.
He is the best !
Absolutely, AND his Mrs!
His versatility is top tier
A full 1000 round review would be awesome.
Agreed
Being someone on a low budget I would love to see a 1k round review! Thanks as always for the information and the honesty!! I appreciate it!
Read my comment one of my bca uppers has 3k+ rounds and had only couple hiccups with cheap steel.. but I like rear charging my friend had side had to work out some issues but now his works good too
@@maksimb3267I like how they now have side/rear charge combo. Just the side charge got some gas to the face.
Please do a 1000 rnd review of this gun. It's operating much more reliably than I ever thought it would. There is a point in the future that polymer receivers will perform as well as aluminum, but I thought that day was way after this video
1000 rounds no problem for this gun I Have 1800 through mine no problems.
I have the 450 bushmaster side charging upper, and it shoots really well. You're going to get the same mlok rail no matter which upper you get, and i can say it does feel fantastic.
I've got a few of the BCA uppers, and they work great for what they are, only issue I had was with the side charge 7.62 upper, extractor broke after a couple hundred rounds, but BCA sent me a upgraded extractor next day air for free & they stand behind their products, even reached out to me a few days later to follow up, mad props to them!
Just curious, do you have the Gen 1 or Gen 2 BCA 7.62 side discharge upper?
It's my understanding that a few changes were made for the Gen 2 model to address those issues.
@@bighill5680 an extractor breaking has nothing to do with the side charging handle gen 1 or gen 2 as the bolt face part is interchangeable between all versions of the 7.62 whether its rear charged or side charged the gen two was upgraded to solve the handle from getting lose and falling off, the gen 2 is dope btw
I had the same experience with my 7.62x39. Their QC sometimes is off but they have great customer service. I have several uppers and they are a good value.
I HAD HORRIFIC CUSTOMER SERVICE. SAME FOR COMPONENTS SHIPPED. SENT ME CUSTOMER RETURNS...THREE YEAR WAR WITH BEAR UP THE CREEK ARSE-ENAL.
I have a 7.62x39 side charging upper too. I immediately changed out the firing pin for the hard Barden primers. Works like a champ. Only thing I'm not thrilled with is the reciprocating charging stud. Never had a problem at all. Love the 7.62 AR.
I appreciate the budget rifle reviews because not everyone can afford a thousand dollar plus firearm. Thanks Chris
This honestly seems more than adequate for 99% of people that are going to own or use an AR. Good to see a budget AR with solid performance.
Tonto Paronto used a franken bushmaster all through his CIA days........he has a video showing it on TH-cam somewhere....he says he knows it will make peoples heads explode.
Get their side charging uppers!!!! Makes them worth so much more than regular rear chargers
I bought a side charger left hand eject upper from them just because they had them. I shoot lefty.
Bear Creek gets a bad rap, particularly on some forums for some reason. Yes, their quality wasn’t great years ago, but what they’re putting out now is excellent for the price.
@@neonnoodle1169 same with Radical Firearms.
Badass! Nice to see a budget friendly rifle run well. Not everyone has a lot of money in this current day and age for guns. All Americans regardless of “class” deserve the opportunity to protect their families. Can’t wait to see the 1000 round review. I’m thinking about picking one up as a back up based on what I just seen so far.
Bear creek makes uppers in multiple calibers at a very good price.
All Americans, regardless of "class", deserve the opportunity to protect their families........very well said my friend, and very true! 👍
I have built 2 of the BCA AR-15's and 1 AR-10. The .308 (AR-10) had a badly formed pivot pin mount. Took it to my gunsmith at Bridge City Ordnance and they drilled out the hole to round it out. Works beautifully now. For budget building, I highly recommend Bear Creek Arsenal. Please do the 1k round review.
Bridge City,Tx?
Good to hear something about the AR10 I was thinking of saving up for their 308 Win AR-10
As someone on a budget I always appreciate the budget oriented reviews.
You just have to love a budget firearm that actually runs. I'm glad to see companies making products more accessible for those who may not be able to afford $1k plus. It brings more people in and gives them the ability to defend their homes and loved ones. One of the reasons I appreciate PSA.
I gotta say psa is stepping up their game tbh. I recently bought a 13.7 sabre upper and love it.
BCA don’t run. These things are garbage.
BCA was my first AR, 7 years ago, easily over 1k rounds . Runs great still and well worth the $400 I spent.
What ammo do you usually run
@@wir3d721 for range ammo I run - American eagle 223 - 55 grain. For hunting I use - Federal fusion 62 grain.
whats an AR-7?
@@-jank-willson
*My 1st AR, 7 years ago
@@tylercee4857 ah ok
When I first got into shooting, I had an upper from BCA and performed great. After I decided that I liked shooting and wanted to continue I moved into higher-end rifles, so I think companies like this are very important to the gun industry.
Idk, the BCA 7.5in upper I had was terrible on the range. Though I also had a shíțţy optic for zeroing. I'll try again, but I've already done a bunch of quality mods since then.
My 762 upper just crapped out on me today brother it’s sad my groups were looking good up until it didn’t(update it was the firing pin) easy fix
@@blackonblack...9244All 7.5" uppers are terrible!!! Lolol.
@@bobbie4862 I have a 7.5" 300blk from PSA that hits a dinner plate at 250yds. sure the bullet is probably tumbling at that distance but it still hits a target. my 18" from BCA couldn't do that at 50yds
@@bobbie4862 It depends on quality. There are some that range from 4-5 MOA at 100 yards. I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with BCA 7.5in sitting bore sighted. Like I said I got a better scope and barrel/BCG. So we'll see.
I’ve put THOUSANDS of rounds (10,000+ in both 5.56 and 7.62) through my Bear Creek uppers. Had to replace a firing pin on my 7.62 @ about 6000 rounds, that they sent me for free with the extractor. Been extremely impressed and bought several. You won’t have any issue with a BCA.
Although you got to go through all the screws and locktite them as you should any weapon.
Yea same, mine have been great
I had a lug shear off on my 7.62x39 bca, it did have about 3500 rounds through it, bca sent me an entire new bcg, the barrel extension was fine just sheared a lug off the bolt, apparently the bolt is a weak link in x39 ar's now I'll just keep a spare bolt on hand in case this one fails
My bca firing pin broke after 200ish rounds of 5.56 but replaced it with a bcm pin and haven't had issues.
Damn do you own an ammo factory. 😊
My cousin broke his extractor within the first mag on his 7.62x39 but that was to be expected. Does your 7.62x39 upper cycle properly, because his doesn’t. If I had the time I could get it to cycle because I know a lot more about firearms than him, but it’s hard to explain over the phone how to remedy the problem.
My Bear Creek AR build has been going strong for a few thousand rounds over the last 3 years. It's been one of the best budget purchases I've made. Only negative I've had is a few screws getting loose on the handguaurd. But that was a simple fix.
I had the same problem with my hand guard, red locktight solved that
Lol I had an Aero Precision that the hand guard came loose on🤷🏼♂️
Same story here, the screws on the handguard is the only issue.
I love my BCA, it's a fantastic plinker
BCA was my first AR platform, bought it before the great panic of the mid 2000's I think I paid 365 for it. I have put well over a thousand rounds through it with zero issues. So it was worth every penny to me. Still have in the safe next to my other AR platforms. Great review, I really enjoy your channel content.
Younger guy here , was the great panic of the 2000s over people thinking the world was going to end in 2000?
@@supahotnoodlesapx9588I believe he was referring to the economy crashing in 08-09
Being a dad of 3 boys all athletes budget friendly is my best friend. I just got a PSA Dagger and planning on a rifle next. This is just up my alley. Thank you for your content. Whenever I’m doing my research for a firearm your channel is always my 1st stop.
You should definitely do a side-by-side comparison Bear Creek arsenal and palmetto State armory I find them to both be very comparable I've had both and both shot and performed above expectations for rifles so affordable
The only reason palmetto is so affordable is skipping the distributors and selling straight to the consumer. If you added in the middle man those would probably easily be $700 to $900 rifles. I dunno much about Bear Creek, I'm aware of them but I haven't really spent time researching their wares like I have PSA. This video makes their stuff look promising though.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036yes sir. I order psa uppers and then have them torn down and rebuilt by my gunsmith. After they have had literally no issues
@@cavalieroutdoors6036they do direct ordering just like PSA, I used them for several uppers no problems ... He should throw Anderson in for a trifecta
@@leerethamel3204my BC was drop shipped to my local PSA😂 they were not pleased.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 I've bought multiple complete rifles from both companies and I have built multiple rifles from both companies and have a swapped uppers and lowers from each for a Frankenstein build. And I have found Bear Creek to be slightly more accurate than PSA but PSA lowers to be slightly better than Bear Creeks but both of them are really good and you really can't go wrong with either.
I've been supporting BCA for years. I'd run PSA lower and BCA uppers. Two great companies for budget minded.
BCA up + PSA low pistol has been working wonderfully for me so far. Only change I did was upgrading the BCG. You’ll deal with some iffy fit + finish, a little jank, but the thing feeds and fires fine. Suppressed too! :D
@yaboygerry I'm considering getting a BCA upper in 7.62x39 to put on my PSA lower. Do you have any experience with BCA 7.62x39 uppers?
I run that same combo. Hard to beat the value!
I have a BCA 762x39 upper with about 2700 rounds on it. Keep a firing pin handy and an ejector. Replaced my firing pin around 400 rounds in and the ejector at around 900 rounds.
@@bugsbugzuki7444 Thanks!
I have had a bunch of these guns over the years, in 223, 223 wyld, 7.62X39, 300blk ,6.5 grendel,& .308 w. All worked great, changed out the grip & stock .
I'm very impressed! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. PLEASE do the thousand round review 🙏
Love seeing a gun review channel that will review everything from a sub $400 AR to custom 2011s that cost more than my first car and everything in between. Keep doing your thing man.
Bear Creek has a good reputation with the folks down here in North Carolina where they are produced. Looking forward to your full review 👏👍
Definitely would like to see a thousand round test to see how this rifle performs.
I can tell you from my experiences, they have decent rifles, if your looking for a budget build they are as good as psa, and typically a little less money.
I'm half way there with my upper no problems on psa lower
Not one bear creek owner has made it that far without a catastrophic failure
@@wymonwatson1309no they really aren’t. Psa is poor but bca is complete garbage destitute that never function and are broken only a few mags in
@01MIKUrocks01 Okay 👍 you think what you like, my firsthand experience with 6 different uppers begs to differ, but hey thanks for letting me know.
The Delton 316 is great, straight out of the box. Since 2018, I’ve only had to replace the rear charging handle. Very accurate & has never jammed. No issues
My 316 is an absolute beast. I've kept the internals factory but put a quad rail, bcm gunfighter vertical grip, BCM pistol grip, primary arms 1x Microprism with cowitnessed flip ups and a streamlight protac HLX. Saving for a ambi charging handle, 45 degree throw lever, a nickel boron TC BCG and a FN barrel from PSA.
Love my delton. I find myself grabbing it more often than my more expensive ars. Eats everything I throw at it and just keeps on running.
@@MI2APatriot My 316 is still all original, and still shooting 12 gauge hulls at 50 yards with iron sights. Has never jammed or misfired in over 4 years. Now the price is greatly reduced for a new Delton 316. PSA is another brand with great box AR-15’s.
Del-ton is definitely quality for the budget..made in America, Elizabeth NC. A $500-$600 range with MSRP of average $918 factory..not bad at all very happy with mine.
@@adamfunk4519 .. I built a much better quality AR-15, but I’ve never seen the Delton do anything abnormal. Always fires, ejects, loads, and extremely accurate with the M4 barrel. Shoots any ammo, even steel case. I tried to trade it for a Henry octagon 22 S/L/LR lever action rifle, but they acted like I was trying to rip them off,, so I’ll just keep it. I know what I’ve got, lol
"It is what it is" words that sooth.the soul.
I did budget parts and builds for years, and I had a lot of good experiences with just a few bad ones. I used it to literally build my experience and knowledge since I was new to the AR game. Now that I have a higher budget, I built a more high end AR, but I’ll always be thankful for my start with budget builds. Everyone has to start somewhere. Great review as always!
Dude, it is INSANE that you published this today. I bought my first AR which is a Bear Creek but with a side charging handle. I got a Vortex StrikeFire II with it and some Magpul furniture because the stock grip and stock felt cheap to me. I typically check your videos first when I’m considering a firearm. Now unfortunately I haven’t been able to go to the range with it yet but this video got me even more excited to get it out there!
Welcome to the wonderful world of ARs. I hope you enjoy yours and that it’s as reliable as the one in this video! All the reviews I’ve seen of Bear Creek have been positive so you should be in luck.
@@Wimmig43at339 Watch more reviews, starting with FocusTripp.
@@TUKByV HO put it perfectly at 15:09. I have a friend who bought a Daniel Defense and right out of the box it was a dud and needed repairs, so you never truly know until you test out your rifle.
@@Wimmig43at339 immediate testing is a given. DD has FAR fewer lemons. Is DD overpriced? Probably. Are there rifles for less than DD, but more than BCA, that are less likely to be lemons than BCA? Absolutely. Aero, for example.
Really like my BCA 7.62 side charger
Bear creek has been good since they first came out with the 223 wylde barrels at classic firearms and then started making their own ARs. Right now their 10mm carbine is hot.
Bear Creek used to be Moore Machine, until they screwed over a LOT of customers and several other companies that contracted them to build AR parts. Their parts were absolute shit and they refused to replace them. Google it. Then they closed up shop for about 1.5 years and rebranded under BCA. That's why I'll never do business with BCA. The Moore's should be in jail for the crap they pulled.
U are the man ,us Blue Coller folks appreciate you. !!!!
I've found that the quality of the many lower end ARs have gotten much higher, to the point that with some work most can run amazing. Usually you'll need to swap your gas block to an adjustable as that seems to be the most prominent set of issues I've ever encountered. Swap your springs and other fiddly little parts to minimize random wear and tear breakage.
I own two BCA rifles; chambered in 5.56 and .300 BLK. These are two of my favorite rifles, and I run them a lot. No issues to date (about 18 months).
Bear creek has done me good. Went for a cheap build to see what would happened. Been flawless so far about 500 rounds in
ar? uz i see they have ak also...
@@Rww930would not buy
@@Rww930those are not BCA made AKs, they're Century Arms. If you want a solid budget AK, check Palmetto State Armory
If you put 500 rounds through a BCA my gender changed without me knowing.
No way you put more ammo through it than the rifle cost.
#changemymind
@@peterreily1490you're making yourself sound really ignorant
I know it’s been almost a year since you reviewed this thing, but for people who are still curious, I own 3 of their uppers. They are absolutely amazing and run wonderfully. A hunting caliber, a plinking upper and a truck gun upper. Run them them on the same lower with no issues
I recycle, ammo. Enjoy your reviews. Built my first AR. Anderson lower, PSA parts kit and BCA 223 Wylde heavy upper. Everything works. The BCA upper and Anderson lower fit perfectly. BCA upper is brr4aking in with no problems with three cheap 223 and 556 ammo. Good job to all three.
BCA is great. PSA is great. My first AR was a $500 Diamondback that had thousands of flawless rounds through it. I used to go to Front Sight before the shananigans and sale and did probably 7-8 rifle classes, with 700-800 rounds per class with that rifle alone. Never failed and I would see the guys with the thousand dollar Gucci guns sitting down tinkering with their rifles because they were having issues.
DB is a solid rifle for sure. All Made by a solid company too.
i’m looking at getting an ar15 from psa although blem who cares, for like $470, or a build kit for 420 but i’m lazy
Reminds me of this person I came across at the range couldn't shoot his DD 300blk pistol that he just purchased and I had a PSA 11" pistol running that sob out. Guy was just standing there looking confused after he asked me what I had and how much I paid for it.
My buddies sig was very picky with ammo but my Windham shot everything
I'm not gonna lie Outlaws, I started building AR's about 5 years ago and i built franken guns but mainly have bca barrels and can't find anything bad, its really good on my end, like i said, i just used the barrel when they were on sale. Evan my long and sub 762x39 builds have been my favorite 👍👍👍👍👍✅✅✅✅✅
We are used to getting spectacular accuracy from AR15s but keep in mind that the military standard for the M4 is 4 MOA. If an inexpensive rifle shoots that well or better, I consider that a passing grade. Milspec triggers don't get a lot of respect but again, they are just fine for most purposes and unless they truly suck, I can get along with them just fine. It's good to see a budget rifle that at least initially seems to be perfectly adequate for most purposes. I would definitely like to see a full review.
My thoughts as well. A context that I think often gets overlooked by many guntubers and reviewers (and one I’m glad Chris hit on a bit) is that many people AREN’T shooting thousands of rounds every year, or needing extreme precision or long range accuracy, so for a lot of us some of these budget offerings may serve the purpose just fine.
Or you may want to dip your toe into a particular type of firearm before you fully leap into it because you aren’t entirely sure what you want or if it’s for you. I myself am often glad I started out with a budget AR “build” (and I’m being generous in calling it a build, Anderson fully assembled lower, Diamondback DB15 fully assembled upper). Because A: I had NO CLUE what furniture would end up feeling right to me, so there wasn’t much point in going for something better/more expensive when I didn’t even have a frame of reference for whether I would like that any better. And B: my AR has ended up being the rifle I shoot the least. So spending an additional $200+ out the gate was never going to change that.
It’s a fine gun (especially now that I’ve replaced the grip/stock after handling a few more and finding exactly what I myself prefer) but it just turns out that I personally enjoy shooting other rifles more.
They rifle has to pass the standard....many people forget that just because we get the lowest bidder.
@@effu9375 Exactly. We veterans like to make fun of "military-grade" claims but if it really meets military specifications then you at least know something useful about it and it will probably work for its intended purpose for a reasonable length of time. For most ordinary people a rifle that is truly mil-spec will serve just fine for many years.
I am pretty sure when bear creek first started out they had a 1 moa guarantee on all their rifles. My guess is that became cost prohibitive
@@charisperissos1320 as with most things, the last bit of improvement is the hardest and most expensive to attain. A 3 moa rifle can be pretty inexpensive; a 1 moa just can't. I'm okay with that. A 3 moa rifle you can afford will serve you better than a1 moa rifle you just wish for.
Never forget your roots thanks for showing some love to us budget guys
I love watching the videos where you're impressed with the cheaper stuff. It's much closer to my price range.
Got one of these on sale 349.00 and they screwed up and send out 20% off coupon as well. They did honor using the discount on top of the sale for delivered 270.00. I was actually very impressed with how smooth it shoots and the mating surfaces fit better than other "Budget" 15s. Trigger was grabby at first but did smooth out a bit. Can't go wrong for the money here and the fact they did honor the orders even with the discount/sale issue shows they are decent people.
As I said in my comment, BCA's customer service is unparalleled! I'm a customer for life simply because of that (and the fact that they don't sell crap to begin with!)
Where are you finding them for 349.00? I'm seeing them in the $500+ range
@@veteranacp On sale now for 380. Or were yesterday, but YT wouldn't let me reply.
I have two BC uppers, on psa lowers...
Both,Side charging, in 762x39 & 5.56. I currently have over 2000 rnds through each. They run flawlessly and are incredibly accurate 💪
Best is...if you ever have a problem with BC products, I hear they stand by their stuff and will get you back in action. BC is definitely something to consider...even if you can afford,more expensive gear. Putting that spare $ towards ammo, training and accessories...is nice 😁
How does it run on 76239 when you run steel through it do you have to run steel brass steel brass or when it's broken in can it just run steel or not
@@mikebaird6788steel runs great through it
Seriously thinking about buying a side charging 556 as a budget build , you vouch for em?
I have A Vhs2 (Hellion), Scar 17S, Tavor 7 and a few other high end rifles and I just ordered a 7.62x39 complete upper for $169 to mate on a $500 KE Arms lower with Dmr trigger.
You can’t go wrong for the money!
I would like to see your full 1000 round review of the Bear Creek BC 15, please. Based on your first shots experience, it looks like it would be one that I would consider purchasing.
I have 2 bca uppers mounted on aero lowers. A 308 and a 556 and so far I have zero complaints they both have run great and more accurate than I am... love the reviews....
I have this exact rifle and a PSA PA15. Both were right about $430-$460 after tax. I bought them both as complete upper and lowers and popped them together. The BCA had a BCG/CH included, the PSA did not but I got that from them as well.
I'm not going to lie and tell you "I've shot 2,000 rounds through them" as I've been to the range 3 times with them (fired maybe 5-10x 20/30 round mags each time) and I had only one issue with the BCA; it jammed ONCE. The PSA had ZERO malfunctions.
I run PMags with Winchester M193 FMJ ammo, regularly service/lube them (after the range or every 6 months, whatever comes first).
So yeah, I'm super happy with both. The Palmetto State was my first AR ever and I learned a lot with it. I've never owned hyper expensive weapons (my most expensive gun is my Springfield Armory XDm Elite, full size, .45ACP) at about $600 used (I overpayed, don't need you to jump on me about that, I just loved it when i looked at it at the gun shop and had to have it).
I also run Amazon optics because i dont make a lot of money but they work as well as I need them to. If you zero anything with a barrel sighting lazer, guess what...it will work. Yeah, the high dollar EOTech's and such may work "better", I don't know, don't care.
Sorry for the essay but I just can't speak highly enough of both PSA and BCA....good stuff!
Honest Outlaw is my go-to reviewer. I can always depend on getting a unbiased opinion regardless of brand, model, quality level, etc.
I just bought a bear creek arsenal AR on father's day sale. I got the hammer forged barrel version and paid $421 total. I haven't been able to shoot it yet but everyone that I've shown it to is blown away at the quality for the price. I got myself a Monstrum Banshee 1-6x lvpo and a PSA flat trigger, I'm excited to test it out this weekend.
Nothing but love for BCA. Their stuff works great for me.
I own several of their uppers, and although I don't shoot thousands and thousands of rounds through them, I have never had a problem.
One of my favorite things about BCA is they have an AR option for your favorite caliber, almost regardless of what it is
Yep...I have a 223 and 22lr...love em both
These guys even have .30-06 ARs. How cool is that?
@@mrflynn510ay what lol ? No they don’t they have them in 308
Agreed. You can try other calibers without breaking the bank and they work.
Run that puppy! Let's see how it holds up after the 1K. Bear Creek has a huge selection of affordable rifles in almost ALL the calibers. Very interested to see if they can survive The Outlaw! Oh, and I can't wait to see the Nail Color Mrs. Outlaw has on when she shoots this rifle!
Recently jumped in and bought my first AR. Well, two of them. Both bca. One 223 Wylde 20 stainless. And a 450 bushmaster 16 stainless. Both have worked flawlessly since the first round. Good groups. Added iron sights scopes and lights. I'll keep them as they are and uograde as things go out. Love them both.
Would be nice to see it compared to one of PSA’s budget ar options. Really excited to see the 1000 round review and hoping the rifle stands the test of time.
Bearcreek armory sometimes has M16A3 style uppers that are pretty cheap. I built that with a PSA fixed stock lower for under $500.
Your great!! I'm a combat veteran armoror and your always on point, being only used to military platforms I would like to thank you for showing budget options without saying "poverty tier" weapons like others do. God bless and have a great year
I purchased a BCA about 3 months ago, 16" version in 10MM and ran everything from CCI, Sellier & Bellot, all the way up to Underwood and Buffalo Bore and a few other makes Weights were anything from 135 all the way to 220. I love this thing SO FAR.
Really considering buying the 10mm myself. Good to hear you are enjoying urs. I have one bca upper and I like it. Seems like they offer a solid product for the money
I have the bca upper. It holds up after 1000 rounds. In my experience an inch group at 50 yards is what i am capable of with this gun. Very accurate for the cost. Its served me well. I don’t regret the purchase. I would recommend to someone who is looking to get into AR’s
I've had my BCA AR (in 7.62X39) for a few years now and am not disappointed in the least. after I got it, I had my twin nephews (marine recon & SAW members) put it through its paces and THEY were impressed as well. its been a solid unit and I've hod no issues over the years.....
Great post.
whats SAW?
@@RocksNRuts4 squad automatic weapon. Like the m249 saw
@@trammellhunter lol oh i know that, u said saw MEMBER, thought nit was some new grp
i mean he said
A younger guy at work asked my opinion on Bear Creek and I had to say that I didn't have any experience with them. But now I can point him to your video so he can see for himself what an experienced shooter thinks.
I use bca barrels and upper recievers in a lot of my builds, very happy with them over the years
I have their full 16” upper and hasnt failed a single shot and its surprisingly accurate!
One budget AR I'd definitely avoid is the ATI Omni series. Those rifles either have a painfully long break in period, or it's meant to be a forever malf o matic. I also bought the ATI MP40 since the real thing is stupid expensive. Sadly all it takes is one family member who holds it by the magazine very hard to cause a catastrophic failure. Overall ATI is a very questionable brand I recommend skipping for a better brand like Bear Creek Arms.
That's insane. I've only seen great things. Heard some good and bad stories Wild, how things differ. Cheers.
My ATI was pretty ok for the first 200. After that it was a jammomatic every time so I sold it
I've never had an issue with either one of mine.
Agree. All ATI products are questionable.
"A better brand like BCA" lmao
I put one of these together for a budget plinker/range gun. So far, same results: great performance. I would love to see a comparison to the S&W or Ruger. Thanks as always for the great content.👍
Chris, I have had good luck with BCA products. Each with over 1500 rounds. I really appreciate your fair reviews. Definitely agree. These stocks suck!
I've been debating between Bear Creek Arsenal and Palmetto State Armory for an entry level rifle for for a little while. This was such a good presentation for Bear Creek that I think my mind is made up. Thank you for this!
I've run a number of different caliber BCA uppers and while I'm new to all of this, they've been great to build out some capability on a budget. I've heard good things about PSA as well, but have no direct experience.
I own an American tactical and it has absolutely no issues as long as I run it lubed correctly.
I'm quite haply with it, and it's metal where it matters.
Bought a Radical just because it was cheap and built local. I think I like my $400 cheapo better than my LWRC as far as just having some fun. 💩 hits the fan though , I’m not scared to grab my Radical. 1000+ rounds and it’s been a hoot 👍🏼 great review as always ✌🏼❤️
I have a Radical upper in 7.62 and its extremely accurate with bulk ammo that I've used. Only issue I had was the the extractor snapping which is common with the 7.62x39 bolts because of the amount of metal removed to use that round.
Got one of their rf 15s. Bout 1000 rounds through it ,only one ftf. One of the best budget rifles in my book
@@ryand8024 I know everyone has different budgets so $400 is a lot for some. My brother thinks it’s the best thing since sliced bread but I told him that’s because there’s a grand worth of scope and furniture on it. Lol. He was wanting to “build/part” one together but these days the parts aren’t enough savings to make it worth “building” one so I used almost $90 worth of bonus bucks from Primary Arms and I bought him one as well. I gave him the pick of whatever he needed for furniture out of our spare bedroom that my wife refers to as Mark’s Gun World 😂 and he’s happier than a pig in slop ! Hard to beat for the $ whether you have a lot or not.
Yea I like in the area and want one cuz it's built local
Great video. BCA makes very accurate and reliable uppers. When on sale you can't beat them for regular use as you stated. I usually pair an upper from BCA with a PSA EPT MOE lower and it's the same price on sale with nicer trigger and furniture. 4 builds and no issues. Keep up the great work
Gotta say I am a huge fan of the content. I have a Springfield Saint as my AR and I haven’t had any of the issues you’ve had. But I was thinking about getting a less expensive one and it’s good to know there are ones better than the bushmaster and DPMS. You and the Mrs. keep up the great work and great videos.
I have a Saint looking over me and my family as well and over a thousand rounds later it still runs great also a del-ton with Anderson lower with no problems and half the price.l keep mine clean and ready to go
Really well done, concise and no BS. I just discovered BCA and appreciate the work you did. I'll look for the 1k round review.
I think the design of the AR is very reliable and accurate as long as the parts work and it is assembled correctly. If you don't shoot a lot I don't think most people will see much difference between a budget AR and a high end AR. What makes a real difference is a good trigger, good sights and good ammo.
A good review of the BC-15 and a PSA budget 15, and the Delton DTI-15 would be great.
I really would like to see that 1000 round review, Chris. I own 3 PSA builds and love them, but I always like to have good budget alternatives. I live in the "boonies" and a $400 "truck gun" would be really nice to have. You guys are great. Whenever I see a video of yours pop up, I watch it ASAP. You all have a great summer. How is the new "Outlaw Ranch" coming along?
I’ve heard a pretty decent number of problems happening with these newer bear creek rifles. But in my personal experience I bought one 3+ years ago as a gun I could kinda rough up and not have to worry about it. Added red dot, charging handle, some furniture and a light and probably have ran 3000 rounds through it since the day I bought it. (I’ve shot very very low grade ammo through it it’s entire life) and it absolutely runs. Just as good as the day I bought it, if not better. Only complaint I have is sometimes the mag release doesn’t seat completely but you give it a good hard slap and she’s fine. Overall worth every penny I spent on it, runs whatever you put in it and is a pretty decent shooting rifle. Hope this gives you a little insight!
I have a couple BCA AR-15. They work fine for a budget gun and will go 1000 rounds as well.
Awesome to see you hipshoot so well with a Value Price AR. I like BCA its good to see an AR for the working man!
I built several $400ish ARs over the past year. One with a Bear Creek Upper, Wilson Combat Lower, polished & plated PSA trigger group & Magpul Furniture.
Then followed up with a KMT upper, Spike's Tactical lower, PSA trigger & Magpul.
They work! I can't believe it! No real complaints. Just go over them with a fine tooth comb for lightly snug screws. No loose ones found, but I torqued them all down proper.
Just got my first BCA upper (PSA lower), interested to see how one of their complete rifles holds up, a 1000 rd review would be awesome! It's great to have honest reviews of budget friendly options. Thanks for all the work you do Chris!
I’ve have an AR rifle with a BCA 20in stainless barreled slick side upper and an AR9 bufferless pistol that i built the lowers for. So far they’ve been almost flawless. The rifle had a little hiccup that was my fault. It ejected just fine but sometimes wouldn’t pick up the next round. I grabbed a pistol buffer weight from a box of parts by mistake. Put in the right buffer and it’s been perfect ever since. I will definitely buy more from BCA. Can’t beat their prices for in decent rifle on a budget.
Properly the best low budget home defense rifle out there !!! I bought their uppers out of curiosity and was impressed.
I would like to see Bear Creek BC 15 vs IWI Zion-15. Thanks for the best gun reviews on youtube imo.
Great video as always. Happy to see the BCA run well and I look forward to the 1000 round review. Thanks for all you do. Cheers to Mrs Outlaw!
I bought their 20” billet upper with fluted barrel and BCG/CH. it had about a 30 round break in that was rough but since then it’s been excellent and superbly accurate for a sub $300 upper.
I have multiple bear creek uppers in various calibers on Anderson lowers and have never had any issues with around 5-6 hundred rounds thru each
I can't resist a bargain, so keep including reviews of budget/entry-level firearms. Much appreciated!
I purchased a BCA AR-15 several year's ago to get into the AR shooting. I have not been disappointed in it yet. Thanks for the review.
I have a BCA 7.62x39 upper. What a fun weapon to shoot. Accurate too. Only issue I had was a broken extractor and light primer strikes, both of them got fixed with an extended firing pin and a new, more durable extractor.
I like the realism - Budget AR for people who will use it minimally. Please do the full review, and have your wife put a few down range too. This may help some of us convince our significant others to trust the platform.
I have not purchased a full BCA rifle, but I own many uppers from them. They are not the most smooth, or best looking uppers, but mine have been reliable and accurate. I purchased one of their 20 inch heavy barreled side chargers. I have shot as small as a .735 inch group with some 77 grain SMKT and Varget powder. Can't wait to see the 1000 round review, I am hoping the rifle holds up, all the while continuing to be accurate.
I’d love to see a review on the BCA rifle. Compare it to other guns so we know it stacks up. Thank you for the videos that you do. I enjoy watching them.
I like that lower receiver very simple and slick looking. Ive seen very impressive results from BCA my buddy has a bunch of them. There does seem to be variations in quality though as some people complain about issues. I've seen many in 5.56 shoot close to 1 moa @ 100 yrds.
Great thing about any AR is most of this stuff is modular. And if you’ve been around guns enough you can tell this is quality enough for most folks looking to get out to the range or even those who just want one. It all can be replaced and made how you want it folks.
I am glad to see you testing Bear Creek. I've been thinking of picking up one of their left-handed side charging upper receivers for my next build. I will definitely be keeping my eye out for the full 1000 round review and maybe see it go up against a more premium AR.
I built 2... 10.5, 7.5... you will love them. I miss both of mines, smh (boating accident 😏)
@@richmond12000 gotta be careful out there on them rough seas 😉. Lotta good guns have lost their lives.
For sure want to see a thousand round review of this critter. I haven't really looked into Bear Creek, I'm curious how well their stuff works.
Everything I've seen has been pretty positive for the price point. I was considering a side charging 7.62x39 upper from them for my next build
We need more good budget options, frankly. Eager to see the thousand round review.
I have a Saint and it's been fantastic. Just a plain saint, got for 500 at my local store. Use for duty, and haven't had problems. Almost a thousand rounds through it and I'm happy with the performance. No issues
With all the shit people are showing videos of and reports on the springfield saint victor for 1100$ fuck that I pay 1000$+ it better work
Thank you for this BC-15 review. I purchased a DB-15 Black/Gold last year (649.00) and 800 rnds later is smooth. Please keep the budget reviews coming.
I seen sportsman warehouse just had them on sale for $540 OD Green. Looked like a really nice rifle
I own a BCA 5.56 16in side charger it is a good reliable gun, it a good hobby grade gun some of the parts are cheaply made so after about 700 rounds I started having some issue that were easily fixed.
Great and honest review! Definitely would like to see a 1000 round review!
I have a Ruger Ar556. It is reliable and does the job for me. Good to see another AR that looks to be good too. My first time with an AR was the Air Force version before the A1 version came out. I still like it the best. It shot really sweet and the grip angle was the same as that rifle you have and I like it.
It would be extremely helpful if you did a comparison with this Bear Creek and the Palmetto...since they're in the same price range. Respectfully
Please show BCA a little respect 🤭🤭
I'd like to see that as well. I'm checking out BCA for a first and probably only foray into the AR world.
BCA has a great warranty, if there is an issue they will very quickly replace the item so you can roll the dices again. I only had to use it once but all of the rest have perform flawlessly. Palmetto seems to be the same so either one should be gtg
Loved the admission that you're not good enough to shoot 1/2 MOA groups with a non-magnified optic! I love the red dot on my AR-15, but with my 65 year old eyes (even with my prescription glasses), 2" groups at 50 yards is a good day for me. I'd definitely need a magnified optic to maintain good precision at further distances. Love your videos!
I'd love to see more on this one. These types of firearms are really important to have in the industry, that can put out reliable cheap stuff. Particularly for first time shooters/buyers. The furniture, triggers, and other accessories can aleays be upgraded later down the line. As long as the bones are good, it should be a good time.
My first real firearm was a Sig Sauer M400 that I bought at Walmart over 10 years ago for $948, that came with a Sig Prism Optic. Since then I've added a BCM charging handle, a SureFire Socom muzzle break, Magpul Grip and stock, a Daniel Defense Lite Rail, an adjustable gas block, and new trigger (first was a Giessle 2-stage DMR Match Trigger, then swtiched to a single stage CMC flat trigger), and a few other small bits. It has been extremely reliable, soft shooting, and a pleasure to run. I've put at least a few thousand rounds, if not more, through it at this point, and it's still going strong. Best thing is it was a relatively cheap introduction to firearms, that started me on my ownership journey.
I don't know why, but here in Germany an AR-15 costs between €2.000-3.000 _($1.800-2.700)._
And I'm not talking about imported ones from North America, but they are made in Germany! It doesn't matter by which weapon manufacturer. I just checked it up and the cheapest one was made by Hera Arms, from Bavarian, costing €1.979.
And then I read that in the US, not long ago, you could get an AR-15 for only $399 at the supermarket.
Well, here you can only buy guns at the gun shop or online, but I'll think you don't pay less than 2-3 thousand bucks for an AR-15 at the gun shop either. There it's usually even more expensive.
Just ordering from the US doesn't work. It's so much paperwork and legal stuff that online vendors normally don't ship guns to Europe/ Germany.
I'm really jealous of you guys!
@@yannick245We have AR in the $3000+ range, sure. But those are the super Gucci type rifles. Most top quality AR's land in the $1000-2000 range. Though again you can get very high quality rifles now even in the $500-1000, they just won't come with any additional goodies, and will mostly have cheap mil-spec accessories. Which is finez cause you can get one of those, then add-on all the accessories yourself. As long as the reciever, barrel, and lower are quality made, the rest of the parts can all be changed out.
Really this is a matter of culture and politics. I can almost guarantee you that the reason AR's cost so much where you are is because of oppressing licensing and tax regulations, that force the prices up like crazy. Freedom is not a main value anywhere in Europe, including Germany...especially not on the left.
@@BigBear-- I think it's a question of what you understand/the definition of freedom.
For example you don't have the freedom of going to college/get higher education, if your parents can't afford it, or you start your adult life with being in debt for sometimes decades _(like many doctors in the US)._
But let's not get political on a clip about affordable rifles.
I assume that the _"made in Germany"_ AR's are of high quality. The ones I checked out are manufactured by pretty small gun manufacturers. Like for most professions in Germany, you'll have to absolve a three year long vocational training, to gain a degree. In this case as a s.c. _"Büchsenmacher",_ meaning gunsmith.
So if you get a firearm from such a small _(often family run)_ manufacturer, you can be sure that it's quality craftsmanship.
I just pity that we don't even have the option of getting such "cheap"/low priced AR's. Just for fun!
When I did my six months in the military, in 2009 _(not voluntarily. We had conscription/draft until 2011),_ I got to shoot full-auto with an HK G36. That's a nice rifle I'd like to have. But not in the eyes of the Bundeswehr _(our military)!_ It's going to be replaced by the HK416 A8, as the future standard issued service rifle.
No idea what you're on about. You can absolutely get a free education in the states. Or at the very least an extremely cheap education. That's not an issue. It's the left here that's responsible for the increased costs and additional loans necessary if you want to go to private college, without a scholarship. The left is the same around the world...just in our case our country wasn't founded by them...which still provides certain protections from them. Though they're doing their best to try and destroy that. Like those morons Biden, Pelosi, AOC, and the rest of the zombie nation.
We have the same "gunsmith" programs here. There are gunsmith schools, and apprenticeships you can go for. It just doesn't require government oversight. If you want to open a shop, or a business in firearms, no need to prove anything besides that you're not a criminal. Otherwise it's just like any other business.
I also find it hilarious that you think your education is "free". Nothing is free. Someone always pays. Except when you have a system of heavy taxation to pay for others to go to school for free, and the government manages those funds, the amount of waste and corruption is ten fold, and the quality of the service is overall much lower.
I would definitely want to see the thousand rounds test and compare it to a S&W M&P or others under $1000.
Thanks as always, I really appreciate and enjoy your reviews .