Top 10 Least Reliable Pistols
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- After 7 years of testing, these are the handguns that failed the most.
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1-There are always scammers in the comments, DO NOT respond to them.
2-Sig haters and fan bois battle it out here.
No need to battle it out, we all know you are biased against the P320 platform and prefer Glocks or CZs. As someone who carries a P320 daily and puts several hundred rounds of Winchester white box through it monthly along with my self defense rounds, I can say I trust my life with it. No malfunctions other than my big hands preventing the slide lock from engaging, which after adjusting my thumb has been remedied. I've owned several other P320s and had no issues with them either, they eat everything I've put through them with no malfunctions.
Have you tried not limp wristing?
@@frankisyourdaddy Amen brother. I enjoy his content, but man be fair and impartial.
@@jameshalfhill9919 I’m not suggesting his experience hasn’t been real, but the common thread is he’s the shooter in each case.
When I first bought my Sig M11-A1, I had issues with FTE’s and the slide locking back when the mag is empty. I had never had any issues with my P226 which is essentially the same gun but a little larger grip and slide.
I called Sig and he explained that most likely it was my grip and I was riding the slide. I made an adjustment and never had any further issues and now have about 2K rounds through the gun.
Love the content man, but yeah I will say the 320 take is interesting lol. Took it right out the box and used it on a pistol qualifying course with absolutely no issues. Haven’t had any malfunctions during range days either as of yet. It may be less reliable than for example a Glock over its lifetime, but far from completely unreliable. Carry one for work and I’d definitely stake my life on it.
Its always a sigh of relief when you don't see your own weapon on a list like this.
If you perform your own handling and do extensive research before making a purchase, you should have absolutely zero doubt that your tool isn't of the top most quality to fit your needs. At least that's my protocol on how I make a decision when it comes to buying something to protect my life and for fun.
@davidmack4185 I've been shooting Ruger firearms for just shy of 40 years, I just have a hard time looking at anything else anymore. I pick up a Ruger product for a very reasonable price. I know it's going to work flawlessly. Yeah you can spend thousands more and maybe get a slightly better off the shelf firearm, but at the end of the day, I'm no "professional " and neither are 99% of purchasers. I will say this though, I bought a cheap ($300) Savage .243 for plinking, it ended up being my go to during deer season because of its laser like accuracy, weight and 4 round capacity, great little bolt gun. Otherwise, Ruger is my go to every time.
@@winkletown8828I love Rugers. I have multiple myself. My second choice company is CZ, especially older models.
love my cz75@@DistendedPerinium
@@gaberay2903 I have a 75bd myself. Great gun.
As another GunTuber says, *"Accuracy is negotiable. Reliability is not."*
True but if tour paying 1500.00 or more and get garbage then that's just sh!tty. 🤣👍🏻
That's a good quote. Who says it?
@@SouthpawZer0 Paul H?
@@manderson7173 Paul Harrell, or a different Paul?
Looks, Reliability, Durability, And Accuracy Are Not Negotiable.
I have not had any failures with my CA M18. I purchased about 2 months ago and made grip, sight, and trigger changes. Prior to shooting I disassembled, cleaned and lubricated the pistol. I then ran 100 rounds of 147 grain for break in and another 400-500 rounds of 115 grain range ammunition. Not one FTF or FTE. Not one issue. So my experience with the 320 is the same as my P365x and P365xl. A smooth running and consistent running piece. I do believe that some people have had issues, but most I have concerns about the cleaning and break in process.
Super informative video. Your sense of humor is the top of the food chain, and was always relevant to your narrative. Excellent channel!
My P320 is one of my most accurate pistols. It's so good that it practically shoots itself.
😂
Hah! “It shoots itself” 😂
Pun intended?
Love my p320 x carry but I’ll be honest. I’m not sure if I’m pulling the trigger for a follow up shot or it’s just firing. Only have about 500 rounds. Still can’t catch it when it fires. I will say it’s the most comfortable and accurate pistol I own though
never had an issue with my p320
I got a P320 it’s super accurate, but I don’t carry it. It’s a range toy only! High dollar range gun, but hey it is a sweet Firearm
10. All Hi Point Pistols 1:48
9. Sig P320 Series 3:25
8. Taurus 608 5:05
7. Angstadt Arms MDP9 6:08
6. Springfield Prodigy 7:20
5. Fightlight Raider 8:40
4. Kahr CW .380 9:59
3. SCCY CPX-2 11:05
2. Remington RP9 12:30
1. Taurus PT22 13:45
Not all heroes wear capes 🫡
This video should play on a loop at gun stores right behind the handgun counter.
I'm a big fan of the 320, unfortunate to see this on the list. I haven't personally had issues with any of my P320s with very high round counts.
@Peter Angles it all depends upon your luck with their magazine. From my limited experience with hi points the majority of their factory mags are junk.
only 1000 rounds in on my P320... one jam bc I didn't initially oil the gun after purchase- jam was on 27th round I can verify that it was like second time ever I used the gun
My Hi-Point 40 is a boat anchor, it sits in my hand like I’m carrying a brick, the recoil is horrible, but it got me into the shooting game and it has a place in my heart. It also now operates reliably after 20 years of use. I still take it with me when I go plinking, but I take my good guns too.
The high point is a lot like someone’s first girlfriend….first time was fun bud damn did they move up😂
I love that you included other TH-camrs and shooters experiences as well. Just purchased a Springfield Echelon after months of watching reviews and saw a very opinionated TH-camr bashing it. I was waiting for the mechanical reasoning but he had none and seemed more jealous that he wasnt "gifted" one for review like others were. It came down to his personal preferences. He also gave HIS Prodigy all the love of being a "great gun" and its funny that it made your list (and many other's). Thanks again for honest content! Keep it coming!
Often times the most disfunctional part of a gun is the mag in my experience. Never skimp on your magazines.
Ruger LC9 has entered the chat.
That’s why the ar-15 is king and the ar-18 is a dead platform
@@RUSTYCHEVYTRUCK I disagree. The model is dead; the platform is not. The M27IAR (itself a variant of the HK416) the Marines are using? Where do you think that action came from?
The AR didn’t get the axe after early experiences in Vietnam because one of the world’s largest militaries went all in on it without really ironing out the bugs. They refined it until it worked because they HAD to make it work. It continues to live on largely because of modularity. Had the Stoner 63 or AR-18 been trialed concurrently with the AR-15 for the US military, there’s a decent chance the AR-15 would’ve lost out.
@@jtgnc7529 I know the design influenced a Ton of guns but the platform itself is dead
@@jtgnc7529 my Kodiak wk-180c and all the Canuck variant owners would agree with you
I had my P320 X-Compact ZEV for over 3 years now, I never had malfunctions, I’m over 5,000 rounds now and it still works like a champ. 😎
320 owner here, about 2000 round and 2 year owner, no issues yet either 👌
Glock 19 owner here,
I've had mine for 13 years now and I've out over 238,000 rounds through it without a single failure or malfunction, and I haven't replaced a single part. I've run a myriad of different rounds, both spicy and standard. No issues.
Let me know when you reach that round count.
I'm kidding. Lol
I had a hard time deciding between a Sig and Glock, but I ended up with the G19 1 1/2 years ago. I love it, but I have a few friends and a brother that own Sigs, and they're great. They're fun to shoot and look amazing. I'll own a few someday.
sweet I just got one today lol
Never had any issues with my P320 X
@@joeladams0 You’ve spent $84,000 on ammo?
WOO HOO! None of the guns I have OR want are on this list! Truly appreciate y'all takin the time to put this video together. I'm sure you've helped a lot of people save THOUSANDS on potential purchases while putting the gun manufacturers on notice that they better fix their crappy merchandise. Thanks!
😅 me too
THANKS FOR YOUR HONESTY
I was given a Hipoint C9. After extensively refitting all the poorly machined parts I ran 1100 rnds without a malfunction. This is still the most uncomfortable pistol to shoot that I own, heavy, too much barrel jump, and accurate as a rock tossed blindfolded. Such a wonderful boat anchor, yet a good truck gun. Never have to worry, no one will knowingly steal it.
I found a tackle box in about 5 foot of water while fishing once. Inside was a bunch of rusty hooks and a highpoint 380. I shit you not. The very first round didn't work but everything after that fired haha. I was pretty surprised because from the look of the hooks. It had been underwater for awhile.
@@zacharystuart7162 wth i've found a lot of knives while fishing on the shores of lake michigan, but never a gun lol
@@brtecson I live in Texas 😂
@@zacharystuart7162 oh.. now it makes sense🤣
The C9 is heavy and a little cumbersome. After the 20 rounds I adjusted the rear sight and have had no trouble with the gun since. I'm very happy with it. Serves it's purpose for buying very well.
“It’s a big bus, and there’s LOTS of room!” - Honest Outlaw
Man, THIS is why we subscribe! 😂
The only problem is there are still people that want certain individuals to sit in the back of the bus
I've had my p320 for years, shoot it often. Runs great for me. I don't hate on anything (except KelTec...bad experiences) What I love about firearms is there's something for everyone.
There always has to be some clown that has to say that HIS never had any problems and he put 500,000 rounds through it. Lmao.
@@DrFrogglePhD and always some troll who takes issue with it.
I have a Prodigy, Gun shop got it in April, I got it in late May. After 1st 400 rounds, 3 failure to go into battery. I cleaned it, the next 600 rounds 0 issues 0 failures
Love the video as always. But I have to say I have three Sig P320’s for over 3 years and I’ve fired well over 1,000 rounds in each one and have never had 1 miss fire. I guess I’ve been fortunate 👍🏻
Nah a lot of people have had good experiences. Mine runs like a champ and eats up even the crappiest ammo without malfunctions.
I was going to post something similar. I have a 320 .45 and a m18 and they both have ran flawlessly
@@patrickelles9006 I’ve noticed this TH-camr has a strong dislike towards the platform. It’s his opinion and I respect it ,but from all I’ve seen the 320/m17s are hard chargers
The guy limp wrist the p320 on every video he makes with it.
My 320 X compact has gone through thousands of rounds without a hiccup… 🤷🏽♂️
I have a Sig P 320 and I guess I am fortunate. I have never had a problem with it. I have shot thousands of rounds through it and had no troubles so far. Just a note after I have had it at the range I clean it thoroughly.
Same here. Best poly pistol ive ever had.
I haven't cleaned my P320 V-Tac in over 700 rounds suppressed. Still runs like a top. 👍🏾
I ran a thousand rounds through mine without cleaning her and she didn't have one issue. Just lucky with the gun I got.
Same here man! I switched from Glock 19 to my M18 haven't had one issue.
@@mr_unsane you must have never shot a walther
My first gun was a Hi-Point 9 mm and with several hundred rounds through it I've had no real malfunctions. I did have to break it in when I first bought it but that's normal. After a few shots fired every time and has been really accurate.
Ive had a lot of fun with mine. No real issues, but you can't limp wrist it or it may jam.
The fixed barrel really helps its accuracy.
I absolutely love your honesty. As a veteran, I was issued the cheapest crap out there and it was often hand me downs, (M60 with no rifling left, lol). But, again, honesty is literally gold. Why be a fanboy of a firearm and provide good reviews when in fact, throwing the handgun…or using it as a short bludgeoning device, is safer and more effective. I am by far not an expert, but I have a fair amount of experience and sometimes, a turd is a turd!
I bought a P320 M17 used at my LGS. No clue how many rounds went through it. Never cleaned it when I got it and took it home. Since then roughly 2 years ago I've probably put nearly 1K rounds through it with honestly less than routine cleanings and I've only ever had 1 malfunction. I'd heard complaints about it online, but never anything in person. This is very interesting.
Yea, my M17 is 100 percent reliable, and my 320 customworks spectre xcarry is a PHENOMENAL pistol with 100 percent reliability. I don't know what these guys are smoking, but they even showed the customworks in this video and talked about it like its not reliable. Straight garbage video. I turned it off after that. Clearly they dont know what they are talking about by putting the HIPoint as more reliable than a SIG 320 Customworks XCarry. mind blown.
I'm at 5k in my M17 using norma brass and Blazer aluminum. Only malfunction was induced by thumbing the slide in an awkward position.
Yep same with me maybe 1k+ and a couple malfunctions only and that could be do to the ammo. I sold that and now have the 365 subcompact and adore it.
The only trouble I've had out of my Sig P320 M18 was a FTF. It was white box Winchester. I actually had two FTF's out of a 100 box. I rechambered one and it fired the second time around.
All these variations in reliability sound like a manufacturing QC problem!
Love your videos. Quite often hilarious and always very informative. Thank you very much!
I appreciate the time, money, and effort you put into these videos. It’s helped a lot. Much love brother.
Hoping to see you review some of the Ruger Marlin lever actions.
Yes
When I got back into handguns years ago, I made choices based on cost. It didn't take me long to figure out you get what you pay for. Now all of the turds are gone. I still look for deals, but only on quality pistols. I was relieved that I did not own anything from the Top Ten Worst list. Continue to keep it real & keep it Honest, Outlaw.
what brands are your quality pistols?
When you shoot a minimum of 300rds per day in pistol, price point of the pistol doesn't really matter that much.
Reliability, ergonomics, trigger feel/reset, accuracy, magazine availability matter more.
@@Diabolus_Musica Actually, I do own a Canik METE. One of the best triggers I have ever shot. I never intended to come off as a gun snob, but I've owned some budget handguns that don't hold a candle to the Canik METE. Firearms, like ammo has come a long way in the last decade. Take care.
@@anthonysamuel143 There many quality company's that make pistols/rifles. You have Glock, S&W, HK, FN,CZ, IWI, etc. to name a few. I've never had issues with my Sig P320. And at one point was considering it to be my ccw. However, I went with a G48 for ccw. It's why I like when a reviewer does a 1000 round or more, before giving their review. The issues with said pistol will reveal itself after a 1000 rounds or less. Also someone mentioned Canik which is another good company. And affordable too.
@@LRRPFco52 Lucky you, I wish I could afford to go through 300rds a day. I agree with your reliability, ergonomics, etc. comment. In my experience, I haven't been able to get all that in an inexpensive firearm. I didn't have to spend up too much more to get closer to your list. Thanks for your comment.
Man, great video!! Learned a LOT. Thanks! Take Care
I agree. I have the XCompact. Put over 1k rds thru mine with 1 or 2 failures to feed before it was broke in and no problem since. Those stubby handgrip Sigs I stay away from since then triggers were upgraded. I love your Podcast H.O keep it going brotha! Much love.
I had to really brace myself for the rest of this after hipoint was at the top of the list
1:30 Hi Point (in general)
3:09 Sig P320 series
4:57 Taurus 608
6:02 Angsdadt Arms MDP9
7:07 Springfield Prodigy
8:32 Fightlight Raider
9:51 Kahr CW380
10:59 SCCY CPX-2
12:26 Remington RP9
13:42 Taurus PT22
Thanks
the sig contracts are the same reason acu was adopted. someone got paid to adopt an inferior product to our troops.
Glock, 43, 17, 18, 40, 23, 22, GEN 1 Gen 2, Gen. 3, Gen 4 gen 5, gen 6, 7, 8, and Gen ?????. All cheap plastic junk. Made with recycled lego blocks. By Fisher Price toy company.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 You realize that if Glock was chosen, they'd have to jam a safety and plate system that Sig has to, right?
@@cagneybillingsley2165 that sounds about right for our government. Nothing but a bunch of crooks! 🦅🇺🇸
Thank you for always being honest, other videos on firearms depend on who pays the persons bills! Keep them coming!
thanks for sharing the highlights of your experiences.
I had problems with the SCCY but I contacted the company and sent it into SCCY and , after two returns, it finally came back working great! It feeds everything reliably. The turn around times were short, and the staff were friendly.
But Fu** that. I'm not buying a gun just so I can ship it back to the manufacturer to be fixed.
I can word my reply a little more like a white man, Thank you for your positive comment, but nobody wants to buy a gun that needs or likely will need to be returned. Taurus was in a slump like that back in the 80s or so, and it took them 35 years to pull out of all the negative talk. However they have been building very fine quality guns for decades.
@@jimmyruger7529 imagine being so delicate you write sentences like your first one.
I would just never feel confident with a gun I’ve had to return twice. Good on ya for sticking with them if you like the company and people.
The problem is paying to ship it back to the mfr.... Just bought a RI revolver and it has to go back. 😩😩😩
I just purchased a Springfield prodigy and have ran about 2000 round through with a total of 3 malfunctions the first 3 mags. After, no issues at all. Great shooting platform.
The earlier metal framed Taurus PT 22 that I used to have was pretty reliable and was better looking than the polymer framed one like in this video. A lot of people who bought these awhile back were running stingers and CCI minimags through them and it says specifically not to use hyper velocity ammo in these in the owners manual that came in the box, and that's where a lot of problems were coming from. It's been several years ago since I've had the PT 22, I had other firearms, so I ended up selling it. Having said that, I enjoyed the video😁👍.
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I have the P320 AXG Classic. When I first shot it, it was right out of the box so it was super dry, which caused it to jam. But then I piled everything up and took it apart and now it shoots perfectly.
When I purchased my Prodigy about 5 months ago, I had FTF and FTE. I sent it back to Springfield Armory and when they returned it back to me, it now runs flawlessly. It runs like a champion! It is one of my favorite firearms to carry to the range. It's a keeper!
He doesn't say if he sent them back and if the companies fixed the issues thats a big part of making a list like this.
@@pwrplnt1975 Yup, reliability of the company is almost as important as reliability of the gun.
Well, except for expecting a new pistol from a major manu to work out of the box that's good news
I pick mine up in a week I hope it runs cause man 1600 might be cheap for some but that’s expensive for a vet who is living on disability
@@xXSPADEGGWell it’d be nice to not need to send a gun back for it to function properly but maybe I’m crazy.
I own 4 P320s and at my gun range we have 3 for rent. Neither one have had a single gun related issue. The discharging that Sig has corrected is one thing, however, the 320s are incredibly reliable by my experience.
Carried the 226 for almost 15 years, just switched to the m17 last year and almost love it as much as the 226. Only stove pipes I've had was from reloads.
im with you here! i own 4 as well x5 legion, m18, .45 and spectre x and at no time out of the thousands of rounds i shot(250 rounds weekly) have i had a failure to cycle, extract or stove pipe. the ammo tends to be the fail point if there is a misfire. primer strike and no boom
Sig having end users being beta testers is the main issue I have with them today
I’ve got several 229’s that I love. I finally have a reliable 365 that I even waited 2yrs before I purchasing. The 320 I have no desire for over CZ or Glock options
Sig didn’t do themselves any favors in the fuddlore department. It’s their own fault but there’s also pretty reliable sources showing their failures
I have the same experience with my M18. The only time I've seen it fail is when it's limp wristed. My GF can make it fail every single time. Interestingly, she uses the same grip with her p365 with zero issues.
Own 3x p320s myself (x5 legion, customworks axg and an m18).
Outside of a few stovepipes on the x5 legion during the break in period with an under sprung recoil spring. No issues with factory ammo. It's the cheap junk stuff that gives the guns problems.
Thank you for the information. I already knew about a couple of these. Good to know what to avoid for sure.
Wow, I have an M17 and have no issues with it at all. I've also got a P365 that I have no problems with. I generally run 250 to 500 rounds through them per range session.
Agree my sig p320 xcarry hasn’t had a single issue and I’ve put thousands of rounds through it
Fed
P365 is an excellent weapon. i have a 320 too and no issues yet but it will not be my EDC. Surprises me SIG cnt figure out whats wrong with the 320
I qualified on the M17 for the first time a month ago. I shot 45 rounds that day and had 6 malfunctions. Half of us had at least one malfunction. I don't remember ever seeing the M9 fail.
Beretta M9 is like a machine. Just chugs along. You might hate the grip. Or the looks. Or whatever. But you cannot hate the reliability.
Sig best products are their 229,226, and 220
M9's had a lot of issues early on. The M17/18 is imho the M9 mk.2 in terms of how stuff is going down complete with similar recalls and failures.
Also, military service weapons are made to a lower standard and see much more use and abuse. Judge both them M9 and M17/18 based on their brand new forms first then judge their resilience later.
Damn that sucks. I swear sig sucked someone off for all those contracts they got in the last 5 years
I own the M17 and a P320 chambered in 45 and was issued the M9 back when I was in. The M9's slide is sloppy as fuck. neither of my sigs have had any malfunctions. Now my brother in laws M18 has stove piped a bunch of times when we were shooting together on fourth of July. We were using 115 grain steel cased but for some reason the M18 didn't like it. But it's no different than AR's of different lengths and gas systems prefering shooting different grain rounds too.
About four thousand rounds into my Prodigy, no failures with factory ammo. Shot it’s first match today, USPSA, no failures, gun was flawless. Several shooters wanted to know about it and try it because all they heard was that they suck. They don’t all suck.
The number 1 issue I've had with my p320's is factory over sprung gide rod springs. I first upgrade i always do with any p320 variation is a DPM systems guide rod.
With the amount of different results from other P320 users, it’s probably a good idea that you test a gun from someone who has had no issues with it and compare it with your P320s to see what’s actually wrong.
Probably ammo most likely
The P320 issue was for early models as well.
It's a p320. That's what's wrong.
@@seanmccarty1176So insightful
I truly did not expect a revolver to make this list, Taurus really made the 608 their little exception.
I have a 608 and it not only is dead reliable but will put shoot the last colt python I owned. Don't get me wrong, I generally hate Taurus but sometimes even Taurus gets it right.
Gangbanged "spray and pray". Taurus owners "aim and pray", that the damned thing actually works...revolver or pistol.
Revolvers aren't more reliable than semi-autos. That is just a myth spread by old timers afraid of change or learning something new.
I also have a 608. Works great single action. But I get that slightly more than occasional timing mishap shooting double action.
@@bobailanjian3700 Can't speak for the revolvers, have actually avoided them just in case....but, the 5 or so G series pistols I have shot and/or owned have been solid performers. Literally every bit as reliable as my Glock 19, M&P 2.0 Compact, or my HK VP9 Tactical.
The finish doesn't hold up as well, but the gun hasn't started to rust or anything. I cant be mad at that for a gun that costs less than half what the others do, is optic ready, and double strike capable. I use a G3 TORO as my hiking/biking/camping gun, so It sees a lot of sweat, water, and dirt while getting banged around the most.
Great list, I always love your honesty in your videos, Thank you
The only issues I've had with my SIG pistols is light primer strike which i attributed to the ammo because I only got light strikes when using Winchester 115grain fmj. It very well could be the pistol but I'm just not sure that's the case
My Sig P320 Vtac has about 4000 rounds through it. I clean it about every 1000 rounds. The only time I’ve had a failure was when I was using a cheap after market magazine. It’s also a very accurate and fast
I was at an army/air national guard shooting competition last weekend and saw a M18 and M17 both have their rear plate and rear sight fly off during shooting 😂
That’s poor maintenance period.
that's not the gun's fault
Pretty simple fix. Try checking the screws that mounts it before shooting the gun, like anything else mounted to a gun...I have a M18 with the red dot, 3,000 rounds through it and ZERO issues..
Easily preventable, and I have seen other brands have their optics come flying off thanks to the owners mistake.
@Dave Miller I'm happy for you, unfortunately what I saw last weekend isn't the only problems we've had since fielding these guns. Personally I would not use the M18 but that is my opinion
Remington should be featured heavily in this video…
They actually make pistols?
@@rascoehunter3608 not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not but yes, technically they do. RP9, RP45, R51…
@@rascoehunter3608 Military Arms Channel has covered the Remington turds extensively
Other honorable mentions.
Phoenix arms
Cobra pistols
Lorcin pistols
Ruger Lcp 22LR
Jiminez arms
@@michaelsweaney3890 I’d add the Zip22 and the S333 Thunderstruck
OMG, I love your reviews. I was a LEO for years and shot a number of different revolvers and pistols, but I have purchased pistols which you have have recommended. I am a confirmed Colt and Wilson gun nut, but I like reliable cheap guns too. I carried a Colt 1911 from Vietnam thru Desert Storm. I still have a fondness for my old Colt 1911 and it shoots great, but I like a 2011's too. Keep up the great work, and keep on shooting and reviewing.
Have a p320. Around 2k rounds. Not a single malfunction. I do clean and oil it after every use. I’ve heard other people’s bad experiences with this gun, but my personal experience has been the complete opposite.
Same here. With factory ammo I haven't had any malfunction in the sig. I've had malfunctions with reloads, but not many, and it just comes with the territory.
Yep. Same here. ZERO issues.
I daily carry a p320 no issues here no safety either
Same
I have a 320 with 2k+ rounds also. I’ve never had an issue but I know people who have. I also use sig ammo. I also have a M11 A1 I use for personal carry. Only bout 1k rounds through it but it’s accurate AF!
The high point in larger calibers (.45 & .40) is very reliable compared to the 9mm and .380..... and I speak from experience. I would imagine that the new 10mm probably runs too.
No, HI point might fir one round, so if you are doing and execution style kill while someone is in there sleep and want to make it cheap than sure get a hi point.
I have a C9 that runs great while my neighbors C9 has a jam once every 10 rounds regardless of who is shooting it. If you have a good one it's trustworthy if you have a bad one...... well, you have a paperweight. All brands have produced poor quality guns but the rate is vastly different. Hi-Point produces guns that the majority function correctly but do you want to hang your hat on 9 out of 10 being good (giving the benefit of the doubt, I've seen statistics saying 88%) or go with say a glock that is at a rate of 99.8%, seems like a no brainer to me.
@@cobygogarty7365 tell me you have never fired a gun without telling me you have never fired a gun
I was about to say...I've seen the Demolotion Ranch video. That was insane.
@@cobygogarty7365 Hi Points are very reliable and will always go bang when you need it to. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
Interesting about the sig.
I have a gen 1 that had the recall fix applied. Not a single issue. It eats any ammo I feed it. Fascinating. Great vid!
Same here! I have a P320 that is my duty-issue pistol and have had no issues. I also have a Carry and a subcompact. No issues, and they eat everything I put in them.
I find that my Sig P320 is more reliable than my Glock 19.
Same 1 st gen after fix
Also I’ve shot like 5 to 8 thousand round through it I also shot it as long as it would go without cleaning after a couple thousand it needed to be smacked on the butt every once and a while to fully cycle but that ain’t shit after a cleaning ran like a champ again
Yeah I have a p320 compact that came with new trigger, and a p320 x compact. Zero malfunctions on a couple thousand rounds on each. Guess I've been lucky.
Great content!
Personally I have owned 3 Sigs. 320 m18, 320 Spectre Comp, and now 365xl. So far we have shot somewhere in the count of 4500 shots down range, and the only issues that the three of us have had was all on me. No Jams or stovepipe issues at all. The only issue has been because of my grip. I sometimes have issues due to putting pressure on the upper as it cycles. This has caused the slide to not lock back to the rear after the final round is fired. That was an easy fix for me. But other obviously have been having issues with their experience with the 320 series.
Keep up the great content!
I have a question because I have the exact issue with my P235 pistol, last round slide lock barely seems to work, all that I've replaced right now is a single mag spring in one magazine, flat spring. It helped the slide lock on the last round fired but I could never seem to get it to lock back reliably, I'm about to send it back to the factory but I just don't understand, I'm not limp wristing it so I don't know what the issue is and now that you've mentioned tight grip on the frame I'm starting to wonder. What was your method of solving this issue if I may ask?
Honestly, I didn’t know what the issue was until I noticed that my much more “limp wristed” girlfriend was never having the issue. So I tried making sure not to have any pressure on the upper with my thumb. When I slightly loosened my grip with my forward thumb, it seemed to solve the issue. P.S., I know my way around a firearm pretty well, as I spent 24 years in the US Army.
Thanks for the info,no taurus 608 for me .
Your reviews are on the top of my list for reference.
I have had my Sig Sauer M18 for over 2 years now and it has never malfunctiond super reliable pistol.
I have had one glock 19 and one M17, my data is opposite of the channel.
The G19 was a choker, its 1 of only 3 guns i have ever sold.
I have a p365xl spectre, I probably put nearly 1500 rounds through it since I bought it a couple months ago. Only issue I had was when it was breaking in, the slide wouldn’t lock back after firing the last round, but it cleared up rather quickly and since then has been an amazing pistol.
Yeah but thats the 365xl, different model than the 320 by quite a bit. That being said, I’ve owned the 320 for years and never had trouble no matter what I put through it, and I had one of the original models that had the potentially faulty trigger (which Sig paid for me to send in) and Sig replaced the trigger box with a completely new one and paid to have it shipped back to me. Never had problems before the change, never had problems after the change, and they paid to have the whole thing fixed to guarantee that I would never have a problem, which is something that they reached out to the community and did for everyone. I didnt go complain to them, they came to us and took care of all of it for us as best as they possibly could. If you’re gonna look at how they messed up, you gotta look at what they did right and what they did to fix it too, so I think they’re still amazing 🤷🏼♂️
My 365xl did that also. 1 early malfunction and then it's good.
My brother's 320 worked fine but he only shot 600 rounds through it
You missed the Taurus PT709. Notorious for extractor issues. I bought one cheap and couldn’t get through 2 magazines. It was under warranty so I sent it back to Taurus, who sent me a G2C. Loving the G2C. 300 rounds so far and not a single hiccup with 3 kinds of ammo.
Oh man. I inherited a Kahr CW45 from my Dad when he passed away, and I liked it so much I ordered a Kahr all steel variant in 9mm. I’ve never liked that gun as much as I wanted to make myself like it, and seeing the Kahr on this list validated those feelings 😂
It's been my experience with the SCCY that most of its problems stem from it never being broken down at the factory and de-burred. 30 minutes with a file, clean and oil, it becomes a low-cost, very reliable 9m hand gun for self-defense!
I COMPLETELY agree with you. I would even extend past just the SCCY and into a lot of other brands. It seems like there arent a lot of true shooters out there that will take the time to "tune" (probably the wrong term) or go through their factory gun to "slick things up". Its almost like most people are scared to go through with some abrasive cloth/fine files to clean everything up. Whenever I get a new toy, I disassemble it, feel for any burrs/roughness, clean those spots up, lube it and go shoot it. Havent had any real problems that couldnt be fixed by doing that.
No joke though it's extremely snappy for a 9mm though really good build I'd rather use it with .380+P better follow on shots
ive had two. first thing i did was go to town polishing all the internals and spring kits from Mcarbo. were pleasant to shoot and i never had issues.
100 percent agree Granted I am running the CPX-1 instead of the CPX-2 But It's a quality handgun after you give it the TLC it needs
Cope.
Si, great content as always!
I wouldn't have bought that ar looking thing. I can't say thanks enough for the video, it's great to find a fellow honest shooter to do honest reviews
I have the SCCY CPX-2 and also had MAJOR problems with it not extracting properly. However it has worked flawlessly with S&B ammo.
I too have a SCCY CPX-2. Bought it cheap at a pawn store. Never really had any issue with it being picky with ammo, but does tend to have quite a few light primer strikes. I can usually get the round to fire on a second trigger pull though. I also put the light trigger pull kit in and reduced the pull from @ 8lbs to @ 4lbs. Just doing that cheap mod made it more accurate. I was using it as my carry for a lil while, but now I use my SAR 9X Platinum.... Talk about a smooth firing gun...I love that thing...
I bought an orange one just for camp cleanup with CCI #12 shot for snakes when I'm kayak camping. Works just fine. If I drop it I can find it. If I lose it I can walk away.
The Sig was suprising, I have 6 320 from a carry to a Legion and have never had any issues. Absolutely love them.
Maybe it's ammo picky, but that's a factor too and he said it. Probably the heavy slide or heavy slide spring is the cause of it. You have to break it in or use powerful or +p ammo. I don't like the P320 anyway though.
same i compete with a legion and run cheap blazer through it on local matches and never once had an issue for the last 3.5 years.
@@AKn4lf Never had an issue with my M18 and Blazer 124gr ammo.
My P320 X-Compact eats anything and has never once malfunctioned in 3 yrs. Nor has my Legion 10mm.
Same, got thousands of rounds through my 320 and it's only ever malfunctioned on me once after I hadn't cleaned it in awhile
Great video, thanks.
I just got a smith sd9ve. Great little gun as long as you keep to brass. No issues whatsoever. But i tried some steel and had MANY failure to extract issues.
Interesting how often experiences can vary. Dad has a 320 and buddy has a 365. Both have been completely reliable after thousands of rounds.
I have a Raider that runs fine, but don't think mine counts, seeing as I built it into a .458 SOCOM thumper. 😀
When I saw my first $900 gun as a model of 320 fail at least once per mag and then the slide fly downrange after a shot, I gave up on them forever.
I own a 320 x vtac and can assure you I’ve only ever had one malfunction with it. And it was aluminum case ammo. Probably got about 1200 rds thru mine and only 1 hiccup. It eats almost anything I feed it. +p ++p these weird smiley face tracers my buddy had laying around his ammo box for years. All sorts of hollow points. And standard range ammo. It eats up steel case. And brass is obviously flawless. I only use sig factory mags. That’s the key to most guns tho. Aftermarket mags are trash and you shouldn’t let your life depend on them. They’re range toys.
@@zachhall3581 good for you. But if you rely on a 320 for your life, the risk is on you. So are liabilities.
@@Longbarrel24How so? It was the the 2nd best selling hand gun of 2023 (behind the P365). I have had one since 2020, likely 4000-5000 rounds through it, and my EDC for 3 years. Never a failure. I clean my guns after every range trip and only shoot factory ammo (usually blazer and Federal). The gun is a durable as my Glock I have ever owned.
Hi Chris, I’ve got M17 for five years and so far 0 issues, put through different typography self defense and different grains. 0 FTF & FTE
Same, all my guns have been reliable so far S&W and sig p320 p365.
I've owned 4 different P320s since the platform has been introduced, zero issues with any of them. Rapid fire, not cleaning it and one handed, still zero issues. I feel like this guy is misinforming his audience as you can't find many videos showing P320 malfunctions that aren't solely on the user. He also may be using unreliable ammo, such as aluminum and steel case. Just my 2 cents as an actual owner and daily carrier.
I’ve had mine for 3 years and put at least 3k rounds through it, only had one hiccup due to not having the mag seated properly.
A single shot shot version, CA320, has been thoroughly tested without any issues but people still claim it’s not drop safe.
Fabrique Nationale. Doesnt know what drop firing is maybe sig can teach us all
I would agree on the pt22. I got one used. Same issue. Put it away for 4yrs. Was going to trade it in and got a taurus manufacturered clip and did not have anymore issues with it
This gun doesn't like cheap ammo. It is very finicky if the barrel gets pretty dirty, about 200-250 rounds
@@35yearrockerits a Taurus, cheap brand and cheap gun doesnt deserve tp be picky
Thank you. Very informative. Can you do a similar video for rifles?
Just rented a P320 X5 legion at the range today. had to sideline my own pistol and keep buying ammo for the x5, it shot so good. not a single malfunction either. I'm petty sold on buying one for a range toy. stacking a zone hits at 25 yards no problem. awesome piece
CZ shadow 2
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 you wasted your comment most likely. A shadow 2, ts 2, Accushadow, etc all shit all over the x5. I'd bet even a P09 with a CGW hammer and assorted small parts would make it look bad.
@Ashley Weeks probably because cz fan boys are easily the most annoying and normal people don't want to be associated with them. Also they're ugly as shit.
Interesting. we have eight 320 style weapons with a little over 27K rounds in total through them and have not had any issues in practice or matches.
Most of the rounds have been just over power factor 124gr reloads. But every 124gr HST fired for practice has been good as well.
Because you are doing right by shooting hot ammo through those guns. Same with HK and Gen5 Glocks they prefer hotter ammo that’s why they can all take +P all day long. The guy in this video fires some underpowered junk ammo and he’s wondering why the gun has a FTE.
same for me however i run all 115 grain with zero issues through my 4 320's. my round count is a bit over 15,000 through them equally.
@@great_deception doesn’t negate the fact that’s it’s by far the least reliable out of any of the large company striker fire pistols. And they aren’t drop safe, go off on their own, care more about the military than you. Good luck pointing that at your junk all day 👍
Never had an issue with the ones that I have either.
Glad the 226 wasn't sigs issue
Great video! I like and subscribe. I carried an MP5 and a Glock 17 in Baghdad. I never had any issues with either. I carried a Canik in Haiti. It was surprisingly reliable. At home in the USA, I carry a Glock 19. Again, never an issue. I have had major issues with Sigs and Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm pistols. Incidentally, I also carry an original Diamondback DB9. It reliably fires my JHP rounds.
I got a taurus millennium G2 I found at a gun show for $198. Good gun. Took it to the range and ran 500 rounds through pretty quick only had 2 hang ups. That’s good it was straight out of the box to the range.
The first gun I bought was a CPX-2. Knew what I was getting into. Long story short I sent it back to SCCY for a repair. They replaced the trigger assembly. It ran through 1000 rounds without a single issue.
One of my best friends dads ones a CPX-1 and him and his son both own a CPX-2 and they swear by them… I’m not brave enough to buy one tho, I’ll stick to my Glock 19x lmao
I've got a CPX-2 with a lighter trigger and don't have problems with reliability when using the proper ammo. That long trigger pull though. It's a back up gun.
I bought a CPX2RD for less than 300 I thought it'd be a good way to see if I liked a red dot on a pistol. That's the worst pistol I've ever owned hands down. The optic quit before I ever even fired it and it's never ran a full magazine without a failure.
@@BM205 Polish the ramp and use Remington white top and it will feed very reliably. Still a piece of crap though because of that long long long country walk to the mailbox trigger pull.
@@greggc8088 wish it were that simple. When you quickly squeeze the trigger it will fire most of the time but pull it slowly and it freezes then goes off when you release it most times. I need to send it back but truthfully I'm not even sure where it is.
I have 2 Sig P320s.
The first one has somewhere between 1500 & 2000 rounds through it. Zero Malfunctions, jams, or problems.
The second one was purchased a little over a month after the first. It's had 3 malfunctions (2 FTF & 1 FTE). These were all within the first 300 rounds. It now has over 1000 rounds and hasn't had an issue since those first 3.
Sucks about the MDP9. I am actually glad to hear this because I was trying to justify the purchase. I picked an AUG instead and fell in love
My m18 hasn’t had any issues. Another big youtuber tested all handguns and it was one the most reliable in frozen or muddy conditions.
I guess I got lucky with my 320. It’s been more reliable than the rest of my several semi auto handguns.
What he fails to mention is that sig has probably the second best warranty in the business, with the best being hipoint. Part of why I have an issue with this video. I work in a gun store and we never get people bringing in Sigs but we constantly see M&Ps and Glocks.
My P-320 Compact is in .45 ACP and it just runs and runs. It also has a great trigger. I'm not the biggest fan of striker-fired pistols, but I shoot the 320 well.
@@gormonkmy p320's never had problems
@@jackomalley3687 They likely never will. And even if they do..... Lifetime warranty anyway.
I haven’t cleaned my m18 since I got it. 1000+ rounds. Still running!!!
Whew! You just saved me from wasting a lot of money. Much appreciated.
Great stuff!
My m17 has never jammed or failed to eject so far, but I know it probably will eventually. They really are fun guns to shoot!
Same. Mine has been flawless.
I have 6000 plus through mine. primarily with lahab 124 gn subsonic and I have never ever had 1 problem.
@@neilpetersen5287 I’ve used primarily Sig 124gr and Winchester 124gr NATO.
Just don’t drop the civilian gun.
My 3 different model p320s, run flawless and I shoot.
Regarding the CPX-2, I'm guessing I just got lucky because I bought one when I was very crunched on money, but I put about 300 rounds through it and didn't have a single hiccup or fail. I guess I was one of the rare buyers that never had an issue, but my aunt also carries one and she has put a few hundred round through hers as well without any issue. Not saying it's good, just giving you another perspective on it. Love your content!!!! Keep up the great work, love your videos!!!!!!!!!! You have definitely helped me stay away from a lot of mistakes I was about to male lol. Thank you again for the effort you put into being an awesome gun reviewer.
I've put about 500 rounds through my sccy and not one failure
iam watching you from canada and really enjoy your reviews. i have a standard 320 and have over 13000 rounds threw it and happy to say zero malfunctions...long live the 320.....the good ones i mean
“Comes in 9mm..maybe other calibers, I’m unsure and I don’t care” was funny hahaha
Great video! I had to subscribe to your channel. I was surprised that you have that much trouble with the 320s. I own a couple and have not had problems with either, though I no longer carry one due to the reported problems with them going off without a trigger pull.
I had an m17 and accidentally over oiled it when new, had a few malfunctions till I got the excess oil out of the gun and magazines, after that it was reliable, just decided to sell to a friend, at the time they were hard to come by.
My p320 x5 runs like a champ with all sorts of ammo!
in optimal conditions yes
@@brandonkey181 Truth is most cheap guns suck and people give them a pass because they want to feel like they didn’t get ripped off buying a Springfield XD. You’ve never shot a m18 or any other p320 so your opinion doesn’t mean shit.
I’ve been there buddy. Maybe someday you’ll be able to afford a Glock 19x.
@@Bigbossman12624 Funny, my first gun was a Glock 19x and I also have shot several hundred rounds through my P320.
@@brandonkey181 When did you get a Glock 19x? Sure thing Mr. “can you review more budget 1911s” I can see your recent comments on this channel. Why would you buy a p320 if they’re as bad as you say, are you retarded?
If a 19x was your first gun than shut your mouth you idiot. That gun came out 4 years ago and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about with only 4 years experience. Stop repeating crap you hear on the internet, makes you look like a moron.
@@Bigbossman12624 @Henry Peterson @Henry Peterson @Henry Peterson I think your daddy didn't teach you much respect. I've owned a G19x for about 2 years now and I was gifted a P320 not much later. My p320 has jammed on multiple occasions with good ammo, and my 19x has never jammed even with terrible ammo. My findings are generally consistent with what other people have found that I've talked to. Although these are the first guns I own myself, I've been shooting for a decade. You're pressed over an internet comment you dummy.
PS there's nothing wrong with being interested in 1911s that are good and don't cost $1500 and up.
Bought a p320 x compact a few years ago for my first CCW and was recommended by my local gun shop. I haven't had any malfunctions with it but still have replaced it because of hearing about discharges. It's just a range gun now.
The xcompact was never the issue, it was just the original triggers on the first series of models and specifically an issue with the original trigger design, which was determined by both an external and internal investigation into the platform. Every model after that, especially and with the flat-faces triggers like I *think* (not 100% on this bit, but I believe) every p320 model with the X- tag has that flat-faced trigger that breaks at 90° which is two gens away from the original trigger design with the malfunction.
To note here, if i sound like a bastard or anything im not trying to be, im not even mad, im glad people are making choices to feel safer with their firearms and people absolutely SHOULD change things up after hearing about multiple instances of pretty huge problems, I just wanted to say what I know from the research ive done. If I’m wrong about it i’ll gladly take in the new info and try to figure things out again
I always really enjoy your reviews and assessments of the various firearms, and I usually agree with your findings. However, I do wish to differ with you regarding the SCCY CPX2.
I have one of these pistols that I got brand new for $150 OTD. After dry firing it a few times and discovering that it had a horrid trigger pull, I ordered a spring kit from M*CARBO and changed out the springs, which lightened the trigger pull from around 8 lb. to about 4. I then took it to the range with a box of Winchester White Box 115 FMJ, and out of the 50 rounds I had one stovepipe in the first few shots. But after that the pistol ran perfectly fine through the remainder of the box.
I would opine that the one stovepipe could have been my fault for an inadvertent limp wrist, or it may have been because the action was still stiff and/or needed some lube. In any event, I had no problems with the pistol other than that one malfunction.
One thing I would want made clear, however, is that the pistol doesn't like +P or +P+ rounds. Firing those did cause repeated jams, which I think probably resulted from the action being hammered too hard and cycling too quickly as a result. Also, with those rounds, I noticed some case bulging at the feed ramp. Apparently there is a fairly large unsupported area there which allows the higher pressure rounds to bulge. Also, those rounds may be cycling the action more quickly than the standard pressure rounds, allowing the slide to begin extracting the case before the bullet has cleared the barrel. In any event, I recommend that +P or +P+ rounds NOT be used in the gun.
So my experience so far with the pistol is that with standard pressure rounds, it runs just fine. I don't know if the spring job had anything to do with it or if I just happened to get a gun that works as advertised. In any event, my gun runs fine with no problems.
Again, thanks for your time, effort and expertise in evaluating these firearms!
Never owned a P320 but do own a P229, P220 and 716i snake bite. All perform exactly how it should and would use any of them to protect me and my family's life.
My P229 is probably the most reliable gun in my inventory.
@@PorscheSpeedster-kz6nc Sig Hammer fire for the win.
I have the hi-point .380, I had issues with it when I first got it. I put some time in polishing and greasing it and haven't had an issue with it since. It's not my only hi-point I also have a carbine with about 30,000 rounds through it, I will say it's not the best but will work no matter how dirty it got.
Go buy a different gun dude 😂 those are literally pieces of shit
I was carrying a sccy and I had a lot of feed issues at the range. They do stand behind it and they sent me new mags which have been better. I sent it back for another issue and it has become my nightstand piece. My daily is a csx which has been rock solid. I wish I had heard your review before I purchased the sccy😅😅😅
Lmao always do look for reviews before purchasing. I’ll spend an hour or 2 looking up stuff. This stuff is for ur life gotta make sure everything is tested good and guaranteed n make sure u train with everything at a range or somewhere
I’m really surprised at your opinion on the 320. Thx for you insight.
RE: Sccy.
I bought mine with the 2 mags that came with it, and then bought another 2 as well. 2 mags ran great, one had FTF every 2 shots or so, and the last was as you describe, just nothing worked reliably, including spontaneously ejecting the mag. It was also really hard to load a full 10 rounds. I compared them visually, and the one with the failure to feed issues' feed lips were rolled in on one side, like it had been bent in. A little time with the needle nose pliers, problem solved.
The 4th mag, I'm pretty sure was a manufacturing error, as the corner with the mag lock notch was more rounded, like it hadn't been stamped correctly. I put a piece of keystone in a vise, and used it as a form to tap it square. Viola, solved all the problems.
Nyet, pistol is fine, magazines not so much.
Love your channel. Believe you on your results on your test but the sig p320 having issues is just shocking. I went ahead and picked one up last year(Nov 2022), the 2 tone bronze/fde compact and its been flawless for well over 400 rounds so far. And I went to range and specifically tried it with as much diff ammo as I could: remington, pmc, sellier &bellot, winchester, freedom muntions NEW (not reman), and cci blazer brass. so thats 6 boxes of 50 each of those and it was flawless, and i've not even cleaned the gun since out of the box. I will be getting a wilson combat grip module for it next and continue shooting and tracking it because of your warning though. thanks for your videos..always entertaining and useful.
Had a snub nose version of the Taurus .. loved the concept. 8 shot 357 2-1/4 in barrel and it was polished so it looked great as well.. however couldn’t make it through a cylinder with out it getting out of timing
😮🤦♂️ thanks for that information
I have a SCCY CPX-2. When I first got it I had some issues. I contacted SCCY and they said send it back with the magazines and we will fix it. Since then, about 2 years no problems.
I had a tarus g3c for two years as my first carry gun and it was fantastic I definitely put over 1000 rounds through it in those two years and it did great I had two jams that I can recall