RW, another good video. Basically highlighting that the 30 pool is crowded. I'd hate to have a gun shop today and try to stock all the flavors of fast 30's. Some of these redundant cartridges will not survive. Similar to how the 308 Norma, 300 RUSM and 300 H&H are all but forgotten today. Really a situation of SSDS (Same Sh!t Different Smell). Maybe we've reached maximum capacity of the cartridge pool. But America is a 30 caliber country and there will always be new 30's on the horizon. Hey, it keeps it fun and interesting. Maybe the LR target shooters will find a use for the new ones. Personally I look at Nosler as a bullet company not a rifle company. That's more based on the rude and arrogant people they had in their booth at a trade show when they rolled out their model 48. Keep the videos coming and all the best in the coming new year. Cheers, Jeff
There are only 2, 30 cal cartridges that outsell the 300 Win Mag, 308 Win and 30-06. When the 300 PRC or 30 Nosler (Almost identical in size/shape/cap) become as available, might want some more omph. Meanwile will stick to 300WM. The Champs in performance are 300RUM, 300Norma Mag and the 30-378 WBY.
Just curious I have the 28 nosler. Now I've heard the case was a 404 Jeffery and others say it's a rum case. So my question is how close are the Jeffery case vs the rum case ?
@@ReloadingWeatherby Reading online, the 300 RUM was based on the wildcat cartridges developed by Aubrey White and Noburo Uno where they used the 404 Jeffery as it's parent case, and the various Nosler cartridges are based on either the 300 RUM or 404 Jeffery.
And what about the .300 RUM? That is quite a bit faster than the 300 Weatherby, 300 PRC or the 30 Nosler. Don't get me wrong, I like the 300 PRC, but it is not close to the 300 RUM.
With good powder you can get 300 winmag 180 gr around 3150-3200 in ideal cond. Wheterby is around 100 fps more. 30 nosler 50 fps more from roy or not ???
I don’t know that I would call the .300 RUM an inefficient cartridge. Yes, by the loading manuals it may appear so, however it just needs a slower burning powder. I use WC860 or H869 and get excellent performance. The right powder for the cartridge is essentially.
@@ReloadingWeatherby i havent shot the accubonds but the 210 berger vld settles in around 2830’s for best accuracy in my 24” with reloder 23. I could likely go alittle faster but sd and groups open. Im 2860’s with the berger 208 lrht in the node, has touched 2900 but was hot and poor sd
The popularity of a certain new cartridge much depends on gun manufacturers chambering their rifles for it... How many large manufacturers other than nosler chamber rifles in .30 Nosler? Now, according to your numbers for the different .300 magnums out to 700 yards, there is really nothing new under the sun with the new ones.
As good as the 7mm bore size is, the heavier 30 caliber bullets offer more killing power. If you already own a 30 caliber rifle it is difficult to justify a 7mm even though there is a slight ballistic and lower recoil advantage .
@@ReloadingWeatherby A 175 grain partition fire from a 7mm mag is awesome but a 200 to 220grain bullet fired from a 300 mag is even more awesome. You can go further into 338 mags for more awesome with 250 to 300 grain bullets for ultimate awesome. Once you get past 338 calibers ballistic coefficients of larger diameter bullets go down to hamper long range shooting. It depends what long range is to a shooter. 375H&H and 378 Weatherby magnum would still carry a lot of energy down range at practical shooting distance.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Ahh, the need of a 7mm. I've always been a 7mm guy, so I'm very biased, but...I've been around numerous 300's. Mostly 300 win mags, but two 300 rums that I'm very familiar with. They are all elk killing machines, and so is my 7 Rum, but the one thing they don't have is the accuracy. Don't get me wrong, they are all accurate guns, but not 1/2 moa. I've only seen one 300 win mag shoot close to my 7 Rum but it took a custom barrel, custom brake, and stock to do it.
If you compare the the 30 Cal magnums, A 300WSM in a Std Long action would be the 30 cal counterpart of the new 7PRC. My Ideal 30 Cal magnum would be a 30 Nosler in a Magnum 3.7-3.8" Action/magazine. Ok you got the 300Wby and the 300RUM but you are limited to seat out those long bullets. And if you look at the 300 PRC, The 30 Nosler even better. Same Magnum action
@@ReloadingWeatherby I have almost a full box of 180 grain .308 triple shocks laying around. You have any old school Nosler partition golds in .180 grain? I’d work you a trade for my Barnes. Just not into all copper bullets.
Yeah, that's what I concluded...Weatherby performance (well, close) in a standard length action. Does it make me want to spend a bunch of cash on a new rifle in .30 Nosler? Nah, not really.
🕵️♂️ FYI: As I Just Informed Chuck (Alaskan Ballistics) - The Less Powder a Cartridge Uses, The More "Susceptible" It Is To Be Affected by Velocity Changes From Temperature, as a Percent (%) of the Total Velocity! 🥶
As a tinkerer in Alaska I can tell you a lot of the temperature sensitivity comes from not matching components appropriately to the task. A lot of smaller cartridges that have less thermal mass and use a lot of the less stable fast burning powders can be significantly more susceptible to velocity swings. That being said if you put in your due diligence loading at the temps you want to shoot and testing later on the other end of the extreme you can usually find fairly tight temperature related spreads with the right brass, primer, powder and amount of leftover case space after loading.
🕵️♂️ The Real Reason This Happens With Factory Ammunition is Because They Are Trying to Sell People on Velocities at Room Temperature! Well, That Just Won't Fly Well During Hunting Season Where You and I Live! 🥶
If you put the 30 Nosler side by side to the 300 PRC they are almost identical, The 30 cal on the 28 Nosler case just a bit more cap.(Identical to the 300RUM)(Reloading only, no big deal, You practically have to reload for all of them, except for the 300WM). The 300PRC needs a 3.8" Mag Action/magazine, which I would buy anyway for the 28/30 Nosler cartridges
I love your content, and I think you do a great job. Thank you. I think that 300 Norma is worth more attention
Thank you for your kind words!
Sounds like a good cartridge. Can we take a look at the 300 Norma? That has caught my interest lately. Maybe yours too?!🎉🦌
Good idea!
30 Norma and 338 Norma would be awesome video.
Great video and the 30 nosler is awesome with hand loads N570 with212eldx 3165 chronograph speed 3/4 inch groups with 26 inch barrel
Just out of curiosity why didn't you use the 210 gr ABLR in the 300 PRC? Nosler has data for it on their website and show a max velocity of 3083 fps.
Yes it does. Hence why I said the 300 PRC could be faster than 30 Nosler and 300 Weatherby.
RW, another good video. Basically highlighting that the 30 pool is crowded. I'd hate to have a gun shop today and try to stock all the flavors of fast 30's. Some of these redundant cartridges will not survive. Similar to how the 308 Norma, 300 RUSM and 300 H&H are all but forgotten today. Really a situation of SSDS (Same Sh!t Different Smell). Maybe we've reached maximum capacity of the cartridge pool. But America is a 30 caliber country and there will always be new 30's on the horizon. Hey, it keeps it fun and interesting. Maybe the LR target shooters will find a use for the new ones. Personally I look at Nosler as a bullet company not a rifle company. That's more based on the rude and arrogant people they had in their booth at a trade show when they rolled out their model 48. Keep the videos coming and all the best in the coming new year.
Cheers, Jeff
There are only 2, 30 cal cartridges that outsell the 300 Win Mag, 308 Win and 30-06. When the 300 PRC or 30 Nosler (Almost identical in size/shape/cap) become as available, might want some more omph. Meanwile will stick to 300WM. The Champs in performance are 300RUM, 300Norma Mag and the 30-378 WBY.
Just curious I have the 28 nosler.
Now I've heard the case was a 404 Jeffery and others say it's a rum case. So my question is how close are the Jeffery case vs the rum case ?
Pretty close. The 300 RUM is loosely based off the 404
@@ReloadingWeatherby "loosely based off" = "has nothing to do with it"
@@ReloadingWeatherby Reading online, the 300 RUM was based on the wildcat cartridges developed by Aubrey White and Noburo Uno where they used the 404 Jeffery as it's parent case, and the various Nosler cartridges are based on either the 300 RUM or 404 Jeffery.
The 404 is the rums parent case the rum is noslers parent case.
And what about the .300 RUM? That is quite a bit faster than the 300 Weatherby, 300 PRC or the 30 Nosler. Don't get me wrong, I like the 300 PRC, but it is not close to the 300 RUM.
300 RUM and 30-378 Weatherby are on another level.
With good powder you can get 300 winmag 180 gr around 3150-3200 in ideal cond. Wheterby is around 100 fps more. 30 nosler 50 fps more from roy or not ???
Yeah, sounds about right
Thanks for the video!
I appreciate you watching!
you might not believe it but, I am looking at getting another Weatherby Vanguard. I will let you know in February.@@ReloadingWeatherby
Whats the normal barrel life on this thing?
Probably 1500-2000
I don’t know that I would call the .300 RUM an inefficient cartridge. Yes, by the loading manuals it may appear so, however it just needs a slower burning powder. I use WC860 or H869 and get excellent performance. The right powder for the cartridge is essentially.
How much powder are you using and what velocities?
@@ReloadingWeatherby In my rifle I load 108 gr of H869 w/210 gr ABLR COAL 3.800 for a velocity of 3363fps.
He said the 30 Nosler is more efficient than the RUM. He didn’t say the RUM was inefficient.
Slower burning powder and a longer barrel, I'd guess to get the best velocity you'd need at least a 32 maybe a 34" bbl to burn all the powder!
@@dundonrl not really, a 26” barrel works just fine.
8mm loony here. If I had my druthers it would be a 8mm-33 Nosler pushing one of the newer bullet designs 😮
A wsm doing 2890 with a 210 is a hot load or a 26”+ barrel in my experience.
It would be a hot load. However I've gotten 2850 FPS with a 210 gr with H4831SC with a 24 inch 300 WSM.
@@ReloadingWeatherby i havent shot the accubonds but the 210 berger vld settles in around 2830’s for best accuracy in my 24” with reloder 23. I could likely go alittle faster but sd and groups open. Im 2860’s with the berger 208 lrht in the node, has touched 2900 but was hot and poor sd
The popularity of a certain new cartridge much depends on gun manufacturers chambering their rifles for it... How many large manufacturers other than nosler chamber rifles in .30 Nosler? Now, according to your numbers for the different .300 magnums out to 700 yards, there is really nothing new under the sun with the new ones.
Browning x bolt hells canyon. 1:8 twist 26" barrel 30 nosler. Sweet rifle
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As good as the 7mm bore size is, the heavier 30 caliber bullets offer more killing power. If you already own a 30 caliber rifle it is difficult to justify a 7mm even though there is a slight ballistic and lower recoil advantage .
I agree. It's why I've waited so long on getting a 7mm cartridge. I just don't see the need of it with owning a 30 caliber.
@@ReloadingWeatherby A 175 grain partition fire from a 7mm mag is awesome but a 200 to 220grain bullet fired from a 300 mag is even more awesome. You can go further into 338 mags for more awesome with 250 to 300 grain bullets for ultimate awesome. Once you get past 338 calibers ballistic coefficients of larger diameter bullets go down to hamper long range shooting. It depends what long range is to a shooter. 375H&H and 378 Weatherby magnum would still carry a lot of energy down range at practical shooting distance.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Ahh, the need of a 7mm. I've always been a 7mm guy, so I'm very biased, but...I've been around numerous 300's. Mostly 300 win mags, but two 300 rums that I'm very familiar with. They are all elk killing machines, and so is my 7 Rum, but the one thing they don't have is the accuracy. Don't get me wrong, they are all accurate guns, but not 1/2 moa. I've only seen one 300 win mag shoot close to my 7 Rum but it took a custom barrel, custom brake, and stock to do it.
@@jesshadlock2139 You gotta pay to play.
If you compare the the 30 Cal magnums, A 300WSM in a Std Long action would be the 30 cal counterpart of the new 7PRC. My Ideal 30 Cal magnum would be a 30 Nosler in a Magnum 3.7-3.8" Action/magazine. Ok you got the 300Wby and the 300RUM but you are limited to seat out those long bullets. And if you look at the 300 PRC, The 30 Nosler even better. Same Magnum action
Forgot, Happy New Year
It’s basically a re marketed 300 RUM. Same case. A lot of waste of powder imo. I can get about 40 or a little more loads per pound of powder.
It's a shorter case than the 300 RUM
@@ReloadingWeatherby I have almost a full box of 180 grain .308 triple shocks laying around. You have any old school Nosler partition golds in .180 grain? I’d work you a trade for my Barnes. Just not into all copper bullets.
Yeah, that's what I concluded...Weatherby performance (well, close) in a standard length action. Does it make me want to spend a bunch of cash on a new rifle in .30 Nosler? Nah, not really.
Roy is always a winer!!!
🕵️♂️ FYI: As I Just Informed Chuck (Alaskan Ballistics) - The Less Powder a Cartridge Uses, The More "Susceptible" It Is To Be Affected by Velocity Changes From Temperature, as a Percent (%) of the Total Velocity! 🥶
Good stuff
As a tinkerer in Alaska I can tell you a lot of the temperature sensitivity comes from not matching components appropriately to the task. A lot of smaller cartridges that have less thermal mass and use a lot of the less stable fast burning powders can be significantly more susceptible to velocity swings. That being said if you put in your due diligence loading at the temps you want to shoot and testing later on the other end of the extreme you can usually find fairly tight temperature related spreads with the right brass, primer, powder and amount of leftover case space after loading.
🕵️♂️ The Real Reason This Happens With Factory Ammunition is Because They Are Trying to Sell People on Velocities at Room Temperature! Well, That Just Won't Fly Well During Hunting Season Where You and I Live! 🥶
6.8 Western vs 270 Weatherby ! also i want Nosler to make a 36 Nosler(.366) or a 25 Nosler(.257)!
The 30-28 Nosler is better, just no factory ammo.
Is there really that much of a difference? The 30 Nosler and 28 Nosler cases are not that much different.
@@ReloadingWeatherby yeah. Surprisingly, the 30-28 pushes a 215 3100+
If you put the 30 Nosler side by side to the 300 PRC they are almost identical, The 30 cal on the 28 Nosler case just a bit more cap.(Identical to the 300RUM)(Reloading only, no big deal, You practically have to reload for all of them, except for the 300WM). The 300PRC needs a 3.8" Mag Action/magazine, which I would buy anyway for the 28/30 Nosler cartridges
My 30 nosler with N570 powder and 212eldx chronograph speed is 3165 and no pressure marks on primers 3 shots 3/4 inch 26 in barrel
@@williamdiamond5400 good for you, the 30-28 has more capacity than a 30 Nosler.