Not sure what it is about these cartridge talks that makes them ENDLESSLY entertaining, but they just are. I'm never going to own or shoot a 33 Nosler, but that's beside the point. I just like to listen to some knowledgeable experts break it down. And maybe from that I'll be able to glean/distill some truths about what I DO shoot. It probably also takes lots of us back to our childhoods, reading Guns & Ammo, dreaming about what we'd get if we only had a better paper route . . . .
I’m glad they actually mentioned margin of error in a hunting situation. Everyone loves to talk about shot placement and tiny bullets being about to kill big animals. But when it doesn’t land perfect, bullet weight and velocity can help compensate for that mistake
I love how I can bank on every episode bringing up the 300 Weatherby and the punishing recoil. It’s as reliable as the sun rising in the east. I flinched when I typed that out. Thanks team!
Talk should do a podcast on a barrel/caliber swap on a Tikka and/or Savage 110. Ryan and numerous other guests (Travis included) will talk about barrel swaps and changing calibers often and I think it would be a neat podcast idea.
@@anonymousf454 I think MC Ryan is the sound video guy BTS, that’s why they say MC Ryan and not just Ryan. Unless I have been making this all up in my head for years which is possible lol
(The crowd goes wild!) Welcome back Cartridge Talk !! Does this mean we're finally getting the episode on the .358 the ENTIRE lever action club has been waiting for !! We all have missed you guys. jmp
Love the cartridge talks & can’t wait for the holidays!!! You’d better do the .257 Roy this year. You’ve done the roberts, the ‘06, let the Weatherby have its time to shine!
Larger calibers of the same bullet weight class and same case volume will typically produce higher velocities due to the larger bore having more crossectional area behind the bullet; producing a higher aggregate of force behind the bullet for a given psi. Typically every increase in desired velocity requires that the increase in pressure/powder charge to be squared. For example to increase velocity from 2000ft/s to 2400ft/s is a 1.2 (120%) increase requiring a 1.44 (144%) increase in pressure/powder charge (1.2²). So you can increase the velocity of a given bullet weight by either increasing the caliber or pressure/powder charge.
I think if the American outdoorsman didn't love 30 calibers so much the 33 nosler would be widely touted as one of our better all around big game cartridges, because it really is. The 33 nosler is one of the finest case designs I've witnessed
I absolutely love these magnum cartridge talks. Although they didn't get into it in this talk. They really haven't gotten into behind the reason or thought process of old school magnum designs vs new school magnum designs. I know that the old school thought simple trick was to look at your bullet size and double to close that shell case length. New school magnum thought process seems to center on look at the BC and use a shell case of close length but fatten up the shell case diameter. I also suspect that the difference in the quality of gun powder's between the time periods comes into play.
Glad to see a thoughtful discussion on larger calibers. So tired of all the content pushing hunters to use light calibers for real work at ridiculous ranges for the majority of hunters. The animals deserve better. This was a very good dose of reality. Thank you.
Love the Cartridge talks and mention was made in this discussion of one of my favourites. I’d love to see now a cartridge comparison of the 33 Nosler and the 338-378 Weatherby.
So you talking about the weight of that gun, and I just redid my 708 Thompson center venture was always getting 3/4-in groups out of it. Different stock, different scope and different bullets. Now I'm getting half and 3/8 in groups and the stock I put on it was a Boyds laminated Woodstock and by the time I have the scope, the stock and the barrel and a bipod and a sling on my gun weighs 10 lb and I hunt the hills of Pennsylvania and I'm 59 years old with two hip replacements and I have no issues carrying a 10 lb rifle. I don't know what it's really like for you guys out west climbing, real mountains. But our mountains in Pennsylvania are as steep as yours out there in some areas
Great show guys !!! I shoot a 28 nosler 175 g ABLR and 338-378 WBY 250 gr accubond in a accumark with a wby brake feels like a 3006, love the big cals love my 300 bee too lol
I grew up on white tail hunting restricted to shot gun only in Michigan. I got used to recoil and own a 300 win mag, 35 Whelen, and a 338 Lapua. Absolutely love these heavy hitters. Great show guys. ( Please take another look at the 6.8 spc ; you predicted it would come back and it has. I'm seeing much more in Michigan now.)
Great info on the rifle. Wow this is by far my most favorite pod you guys have done. I am in love with this rifle! not that it would be the only one Right! be well guys :)
Shot a mountain goat with my 28 nosler with a 162 eldx 510 yards away one round went 10 feet and not a gig left in him what a round love anything from nosler
Love the cartridge talks every time! Would love to hear any thoughts y’all have on .277 Fury and the potential applications that that cartridge technology might offer in the future.
Love your cartridge talks. Watched so many of them now. The ramblings are cool and you all bring your own little piece to the table keep it up. I actually have a request for a future cartridge. I think it’d be cool to watch a talk on the 6mm max. Interestingly I bet 1 or 2 of you haven’t heard of it before. It’s fairly new and I’m sure you’d be able to get the creators on to talk about it too. It’s essentially a cartridge that competes with the like of the 6.5 Grendel and 6Arc. But if the numbers are right might actually be better, especially due to the bolt face.
I just got a customer reamer for the 33 Nosler that got to a 3.600" COAL which is similar to what you have here. Just got all the components into start loading and testing it. Very excited to see more screen time on the caliber.
I have a saami spec chamber in the Howa I built. You can seat them about an extra .100 or .150 further out than the specd COAL by loading to the lands and coming off .020.
@@joelriggs9153 Still doing break in and load development, but the intention is to use the 300 ABLR. I used a 280 LRX when making the dummy cartridge for the reamer. That is set to 3.600" with .020" jump.
Well, hummmm...I built 2 33 nosler one when the round was launched.,and I had the second one with a tapered throat. Most of my AOL were around 3.55. I struggled getting super heavy bullets above 2450 fps. I found that the 33 nosler was great with 225-250 grain bullets. I liked it--it is a 338 win mag (plus P). For my Aoudad sheep rifle wears a 20 in barrel so my velocity is down. Great podcast, the only thing I will disagree with you is the 33 nosler is no where near the Lapua or even the Norma.
I just shot the new 7.62 X 63. It's amazing! They make bullets as light as 125 gr. for small game up to antelope and go up to 220 gr. You can get custom versions that will shoot reliably in rifles dating back to the 1903 Springfield. Allegedly, some USMC scout snipers used this cartridge early on in the Southeast Asian Conflict in the 1960s.
I love some 338 caliber stuff. It can be a kicker though. Even at 21 lbs my 338 Lapua has a good thump with the 300 SMK i shoot. It's not as bad as my lightweight 300 Win Mag. That is going to become a heavy barrel target rig at some point this winter.
Marky Mark, Thank you for the cartridge talk but how about a lead Ballon topic 400 legend! Sweet spot between the 350 legend and 450 Bushmaster but is it DOA?
Thank you for that. Could have shortened it 5 times over with more focused data and experience. Also, other than Nosler and Christensen who makes 33 Nosler rifles out of factory?
Y'all have talked about changing a Savage 110 or Rem 700 cartridge a few times in the past. Would you be willing to do a podcast episode walking folks through that? I own a Savage 110 in 308 Win that I WANT to convert to a 300 WSM and the lack of reliably consistent guidance out there is pretty frustrating.
Who else had to look up the meaning of "espousing"? I learned something new today verb gerund or present participle: espousing 1. adopt or support (a cause, belief, or way of life).
I Robot and I Am Legend,(originally The Omega Man) are classic sci fi works from the 40's to the 60's . Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Phillip Jose Farmer, Phillip K Dick, the giants of sci fi from which those movies are formed.
I've been thinking of rebarreling a 26 N. This seems to be a lot horse power before having to move on to the 338 Lapua bolt face. 265 g Cutting Edge in a 28" tube. Can you buy a reamer? Are dies available?
Get a hold of JGS or Manson reamers and they may have one on the shelf for you gauges too. I got lucky when I called JGS for mine and they had the reamer and go gauge ready to ship
MacBros are legit! I got a 338 RPM with something similar in mind. Kurt Racicot did a cool 338-378 build, not the modularity as this but pretty cool. Also Evan Hafer did a 33 Nosler build.
I wonder why the nosler was picked over like a 338-378 wby or 340 wby or even the 338 weatherby rpm . I have a 7mm wby and love it never had a problem with it. Nobody ever really talks about the weatherby family of cartridges.
Yea really...thats why I started watching them and was hooked...but they kind of fell off. Cant believe they have not done the 9.3x62 yet....been asking for over a year now
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Awesome to see a cartridge talk again, you guys gotta bring them back more often.
Yes please! I second this.
Not sure what it is about these cartridge talks that makes them ENDLESSLY entertaining, but they just are. I'm never going to own or shoot a 33 Nosler, but that's beside the point. I just like to listen to some knowledgeable experts break it down. And maybe from that I'll be able to glean/distill some truths about what I DO shoot. It probably also takes lots of us back to our childhoods, reading Guns & Ammo, dreaming about what we'd get if we only had a better paper route . . . .
I’m glad they actually mentioned margin of error in a hunting situation. Everyone loves to talk about shot placement and tiny bullets being about to kill big animals. But when it doesn’t land perfect, bullet weight and velocity can help compensate for that mistake
I love how I can bank on every episode bringing up the 300 Weatherby and the punishing recoil. It’s as reliable as the sun rising in the east.
I flinched when I typed that out.
Thanks team!
In the same vein as shoulder fired artillery. My 338 EDGE (300 rum necked up to 338) was dubbed the “Land Cannon” by my grandpa. 250gr LRX 3000fps
Just last week I purchased a .338 barrel and 33 nosler reamer, I was so happy to see this podcast pop up
Bad ass rifle. I could listen to the three of you talk about this stuff all day. It’s a bonus having Costanza there!
Thank you for doing this cartridge!
Lets talk about the Nosler Partition sometime!?
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Why lol
All 3 usernames are very similar must be bots
@PikeSlayer69 lol well I guess the bench mark bullet shouldn't be a topic since it's not a high bc
Talk should do a podcast on a barrel/caliber swap on a Tikka and/or Savage 110. Ryan and numerous other guests (Travis included) will talk about barrel swaps and changing calibers often and I think it would be a neat podcast idea.
Just got my t3x back from the smith with a switchlug, looking forward to seeing how it goes
Ryan making an Eminem reference isn't really something I planned for today, but I'm not complaining 😂
They dont call him MC Ryan for nothing😂😂😂
@@anonymousf454that’s a different Ryan
@@jmythngdmb No man...I have definitely heard Mark or Jim call him MC Ryan...unless he has a twin, he is the only Ryan on this show..lol
@@anonymousf454 I think MC Ryan is the sound video guy BTS, that’s why they say MC Ryan and not just Ryan. Unless I have been making this all up in my head for years which is possible lol
@@jmythngdmb no that's the case. they make reference of a separate Ryan we dont see, in early VNP
Big big apologies to Erik Cortina for saying his name wrong. Must have been thirsty that day lol
(The crowd goes wild!) Welcome back Cartridge Talk !!
Does this mean we're finally getting the episode on the
.358 the ENTIRE lever action club has been waiting for !!
We all have missed you guys.
jmp
Love the cartridge talks & can’t wait for the holidays!!! You’d better do the .257 Roy this year. You’ve done the roberts, the ‘06, let the Weatherby have its time to shine!
Larger calibers of the same bullet weight class and same case volume will typically produce higher velocities due to the larger bore having more crossectional area behind the bullet; producing a higher aggregate of force behind the bullet for a given psi.
Typically every increase in desired velocity requires that the increase in pressure/powder charge to be squared. For example to increase velocity from 2000ft/s to 2400ft/s is a 1.2 (120%) increase requiring a 1.44 (144%) increase in pressure/powder charge (1.2²).
So you can increase the velocity of a given bullet weight by either increasing the caliber or pressure/powder charge.
I think if the American outdoorsman didn't love 30 calibers so much the 33 nosler would be widely touted as one of our better all around big game cartridges, because it really is. The 33 nosler is one of the finest case designs I've witnessed
I absolutely love these magnum cartridge talks.
Although they didn't get into it in this talk. They really haven't gotten into behind the reason or thought process of old school magnum designs vs new school magnum designs.
I know that the old school thought simple trick was to look at your bullet size and double to close that shell case length.
New school magnum thought process seems to center on look at the BC and use a shell case of close length but fatten up the shell case diameter.
I also suspect that the difference in the quality of gun powder's between the time periods comes into play.
Glad to see a thoughtful discussion on larger calibers. So tired of all the content pushing hunters to use light calibers for real work at ridiculous ranges for the majority of hunters. The animals deserve better. This was a very good dose of reality. Thank you.
I loved this format guys! Cartridge talk paired with a real application and example 👍 I would love to see more like this
Love the Cartridge talks and mention was made in this discussion of one of my favourites. I’d love to see now a cartridge comparison of the 33 Nosler and the 338-378 Weatherby.
So you talking about the weight of that gun, and I just redid my 708 Thompson center venture was always getting 3/4-in groups out of it. Different stock, different scope and different bullets. Now I'm getting half and 3/8 in groups and the stock I put on it was a Boyds laminated Woodstock and by the time I have the scope, the stock and the barrel and a bipod and a sling on my gun weighs 10 lb and I hunt the hills of Pennsylvania and I'm 59 years old with two hip replacements and I have no issues carrying a 10 lb rifle. I don't know what it's really like for you guys out west climbing, real mountains. But our mountains in Pennsylvania are as steep as yours out there in some areas
Great show guys !!! I shoot a 28 nosler 175 g ABLR and 338-378 WBY 250 gr accubond in a accumark with a wby brake feels like a 3006, love the big cals love my 300 bee too lol
I grew up on white tail hunting restricted to shot gun only in Michigan. I got used to recoil and own a 300 win mag, 35 Whelen, and a 338 Lapua. Absolutely love these heavy hitters. Great show guys. ( Please take another look at the 6.8 spc ; you predicted it would come back and it has. I'm seeing much more in Michigan now.)
Cartridge talks are the beeeessstttttt
Easy switching barrels is why I like my Savage 110. Has a 338-06 barrel which I love! But a 280 Rem barrel is going on next just to try.
Can we get a cartridge talk on the 300 Norma.
It would be nice to round out both this and the 300 PRC cartridge talk you’ve done previously.
Will ask the boys and see what we can do.
@@VortexNation DoD rocks the Norma’s now, it’s bound to increase the popularity of said ammunition…it would be a great algorithm massager.
Great info on the rifle. Wow this is by far my most favorite pod you guys have done. I am in love with this rifle! not that it would be the only one Right! be well guys :)
Shot a mountain goat with my 28 nosler with a 162 eldx 510 yards away one round went 10 feet and not a gig left in him what a round love anything from nosler
I love cartridge talks and the ballistic gel is love to see some big bore tests
Finally, cartridge talks!
Cartridge talks are the best!
I love the cartridge talks and lead balloons.
That is a very attractive modern hunting rifle. Has old school elements to it with new era design! 👍🏻
Did anyone else catch the Magnum Jones joke?! “For other reasons” Haha
Love the cartridge talks every time! Would love to hear any thoughts y’all have on .277 Fury and the potential applications that that cartridge technology might offer in the future.
Would love an episode on 300 Norma! It has exploded in popularity locally here and would love to see a comparison with the other big 30’s!
Love your cartridge talks. Watched so many of them now. The ramblings are cool and you all bring your own little piece to the table keep it up.
I actually have a request for a future cartridge. I think it’d be cool to watch a talk on the 6mm max. Interestingly I bet 1 or 2 of you haven’t heard of it before. It’s fairly new and I’m sure you’d be able to get the creators on to talk about it too. It’s essentially a cartridge that competes with the like of the 6.5 Grendel and 6Arc. But if the numbers are right might actually be better, especially due to the bolt face.
Considering this cartridge came from a safari cartridge(404 Jeffrey) how about a safari/dangerous game round episode?
Will see what we can do!
338-06ai!!! Please talk about it more
Why why why have you guys not done the 9.3x62 yet....or any of the 9.3 calibers?
Fun discussion, thanks guys!
Been waiting on this one
You need the 338 ultra or edge to get the velocity to get closer to the 28. But then again 250-300 gr bullets are hammers at just about any velocity
How long is the barrel on the gun for him to be achieving those speeds? Thank for all the info it has helped me make up my mind and build a 33 nosler.
Could someone please tell me what kind of gun that is or is it a complete custom job?
I just got a customer reamer for the 33 Nosler that got to a 3.600" COAL which is similar to what you have here. Just got all the components into start loading and testing it. Very excited to see more screen time on the caliber.
I have a saami spec chamber in the Howa I built. You can seat them about an extra .100 or .150 further out than the specd COAL by loading to the lands and coming off .020.
@joelriggs9153 mine allows 3.600" with .020 off the lands.
@@tommyj7087 which bullets are you running? The 300 gr ABLR in my chamber go to 3.565
@@joelriggs9153 Still doing break in and load development, but the intention is to use the 300 ABLR. I used a 280 LRX when making the dummy cartridge for the reamer. That is set to 3.600" with .020" jump.
I love how they don't even have the timer any more.
Next up .35 Rem?
Love the 338's in general!
Well, hummmm...I built 2 33 nosler one when the round was launched.,and I had the second one with a tapered throat. Most of my AOL were around 3.55. I struggled getting super heavy bullets above 2450 fps. I found that the 33 nosler was great with 225-250 grain bullets. I liked it--it is a 338 win mag (plus P). For my Aoudad sheep rifle wears a 20 in barrel so my velocity is down. Great podcast, the only thing I will disagree with you is the 33 nosler is no where near the Lapua or even the Norma.
I just shot the new 7.62 X 63. It's amazing! They make bullets as light as 125 gr. for small game up to antelope and go up to 220 gr. You can get custom versions that will shoot reliably in rifles dating back to the 1903 Springfield. Allegedly, some USMC scout snipers used this cartridge early on in the Southeast Asian Conflict in the 1960s.
Why the heck would I want that when I can shoot a 190 ablr in my 30-06 at 2700 fps?
Just kidding I get the sarcasm.
@@chadperry4021jokes on you. The x63 is indeed a 30 06.
@@spencertruman2004 Looks like someone commented without reading the whole comment. Note: my comment wasn’t edited.
LOL, 30-06 for African plains game…been there done that, springbok to bull eland, 180 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claws. God bless America!
Please do a podcast on jump!... I have a 300WM tikka that has a long jump. Can't load them longer either, because factory tikka mags.
Please do a talk on the og 7mm the 7x57 Mauser
I love some 338 caliber stuff. It can be a kicker though. Even at 21 lbs my 338 Lapua has a good thump with the 300 SMK i shoot. It's not as bad as my lightweight 300 Win Mag. That is going to become a heavy barrel target rig at some point this winter.
Yes please do the podcast on seating depth and jump!!!
You guys have absolutely used the word "espoused"many times!😂
Boy, I sure would like the hear about the 7saw Ryan was talking about previously.
Holding out for that 375 Nosler
Marky Mark, Thank you for the cartridge talk but how about a lead Ballon topic 400 legend! Sweet spot between the 350 legend and 450 Bushmaster but is it DOA?
Just think a few months are Ryan stated the .338 Win Mag was a lot of gun. 33 Nosler must be a lot of gun^2.
I still love my 338-378 but 33 nos is really respectable
I've got 2 customs in that caliber
If Ryan had a son ... and that son was perfect in everyway.... its this guy.
The nosler cartridges are outstanding
Thank you for that. Could have shortened it 5 times over with more focused data and experience. Also, other than Nosler and Christensen who makes 33 Nosler rifles out of factory?
“Ryan is the way”
Would make an interesting T shirt.
I'd love to see a cartridge talk on large bores. 416's Rigby, Rum & Ruger. I'm old school with my 338 win mag that hangs well with the 33 nosler.
338 edge was my choice over nosler and lapua because of being able to make get brass easier for a elk gun
I love these talks so much. Could y'all do one on the 6 max, it's similar to the 6 arc but it uses the .556 sized bolt head.
Should review and compare the 22 GT
It's a pretty sick round
Y'all have talked about changing a Savage 110 or Rem 700 cartridge a few times in the past. Would you be willing to do a podcast episode walking folks through that?
I own a Savage 110 in 308 Win that I WANT to convert to a 300 WSM and the lack of reliably consistent guidance out there is pretty frustrating.
I love the idea of a switch barrel. Especially if you don't have the funds for multiple custom rifles.
But the price of a switch barrel will get you 2 custom rifles.
Hi guys thanks for the interesting videos and podcasts…. I would really appreciate if you could talk about the 6.8 western…
Who else had to look up the meaning of "espousing"? I learned something new today
verb
gerund or present participle: espousing
1.
adopt or support (a cause, belief, or way of life).
I Robot and I Am Legend,(originally The Omega Man) are classic sci fi works from the 40's to the 60's . Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Phillip Jose Farmer, Phillip K Dick, the giants of sci fi from which those movies are formed.
I think you guys should do a video on the best (plural) Lightweight Mountain rifles
I’m over 600rds in my 6.5prc waypoint with carbon bsf. 50 some over 3600fps..still 1” and under. I’ve been hard on it loadin hot.
So is he running it in a CIP length or 300 win mag length?
I've been thinking of rebarreling a 26 N. This seems to be a lot horse power before having to move on to the 338 Lapua bolt face.
265 g Cutting Edge in a 28" tube.
Can you buy a reamer?
Are dies available?
Get a hold of JGS or Manson reamers and they may have one on the shelf for you gauges too. I got lucky when I called JGS for mine and they had the reamer and go gauge ready to ship
Is that a WTO Switchlug i see on the rifle?
Answered my question later in the video!
Does Ryan sleep on a bed of cartridges? Only thing I can think of to soak up all his knowledge! Love the show.
WOW what rifle is this!
I would like to see a cartridge talk about an old tank of a rifle, the .375 H&H. My old Nosler book lists a max load 260 AccuBond at 2793 fps.
This round will be on the lead balloon show in a couple years.
Do more of these...
Lead Balloons!!
Also please do 9.3×74mmR
Lead ballon's---the RCM cartridges
No video of it being shot?
MacBros are legit! I got a 338 RPM with something similar in mind. Kurt Racicot did a cool 338-378 build, not the modularity as this but pretty cool. Also Evan Hafer did a 33 Nosler build.
Curious why you went with the 338 RPM?
@ I wanted the mark v action and the six lug you can get a little lighter than the nine lug action.
Does anyone know anything about the 8.5x55 Blazer?
Do 32 H&R mag
340 Weatherby mag , 338 or 8.59 lazzeroni Titan, 338 xc
When yall do cartridge talk again and a third bullet type fmj to show why we use holo soft points and copper rounds to educate others
I wonder why the nosler was picked over like a 338-378 wby or 340 wby or even the 338 weatherby rpm . I have a 7mm wby and love it never had a problem with it. Nobody ever really talks about the weatherby family of cartridges.
Because they’re not the new new. To a certain segment of the consumer base, that’s the only thing that matters
For his criteria, 33 nosler is a better case design when allowed a COAL of 3.8”
I love that they gave up on the timer😂
What sort of velocities is Magnum Jones getting out of that rifle? All the talk about nipping on the heels of 338 Lapua but never gives actual numbers
You guys need a video with Who Tee Who
One opportunity… 17:28
Thank you for making a cartridge talk again not gonna lie had to boycott the channel for a little bit because the lack of cartridge talks
Yea really...thats why I started watching them and was hooked...but they kind of fell off. Cant believe they have not done the 9.3x62 yet....been asking for over a year now
Me too
They actually got me into some other good content on their channel. I came for the cartridge talks too
Lets talk about David Tubb's 33XC/37XC/and_41XC!!!!!!!! Lets chat about them custom rounds.
Please do 450 marlin next