Direct quote from Horus Lupercal, when he’s contemplating his position as war master “Sanguinius. It should have been him. He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once victory is won. For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood. Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed. Sanguinius holds it all. It should have been him…” Even Guilliman made him ruler of Imperium Secundus
That's why they didn't understand him... He's like Perturabo but with no attitude. Yes he would have done what's best and he would have done it better than Horus... Until he reached his breaking point, the Horus heresy would have been a walk in the park compared to that...
@@christophebedouret9813 He's absolutely nothing like Perturabo. Because Sanguinius actually understands and likes other people. Furthermore, by thinking that Sanguinius COULD fall you fail to understand Sanguinius at all. His breaking point is his death. He knew, from the beginning, he would die in service to the Emperor.
@@ZeroNumerous Perturabo understands people that why he hates them, Sanguinus understands them too but he loves them... Perturabo hates people because he knows people can be better but don't choose too but Sanguinius loves people because he knows they could be much worse but don't chose too... The fact that he knew how he would go down was certainly the main reason he couldn't break, so you're right.
@@ZeroNumerous He even has a vision of his death weeks or months ahead of time, and still goes forward with every step that will lead to it with zero hesitation.
@@Maxsmackthat’s why I always thought of the Lamenters as his “true” successors. Strive forward no matter what is ahead to protect those who come after.
He is my favorite Primarch. He isnt written like a Mary Sue, despite being depicted as near-perfect. You see him struggle under the weight of his own image. His own example. And through all hardship, even when it would be easiest to throw nobility aside and embrace the savagery of Chaos, he and his sons always pushed against the temptation. They defend humanity from horrific threats. They work well with regular forces. Not Salamanders, but they won't look down on you either.
Khorne: please Sanguinius you got to join us, you would look absolutely amazing as fallen angel and your children are super good at collecting skulls and I need that in my life.
Even though he's not my favorite, i understand and love sanguinius. I love that Him and Kurze have an interesting dichotomy. Whereas kurze can see the future and be a nihilist or pessimist who won't do anything, Sanguinius is a an optimist and a stoic willing to try and change things. Sanguinius to me represents the ability to try and change your future. He is up there with the best of primarchs and I love that even though he's the literal embodiment of an angel he know he's still human.
Ironically this description makes him sound like the positive side of Tzeentch, like Tzeentch is known as the Changer of Ways, the idea that your fate is your own to make, your decisions are not set in stone etc etc, that description encapsulates that perfectly, him and his sons also have the bloodlust and hunger for battle that Khorne would love, even wearing red already and having the Red Thirst as their gene-flaw, even an element of Slaanesh in the positive way since Slaanesh is the embodiment of all emotion, negative and positive, through their art and music, those positive emotions and their negative ones from falling to the Red Thirst or mourning a fallen brother, especially since losing their Primarch, they kinda represent a certain positive aspect of Slaanesh in some small way too, you could even make a strained argument that Sanguinius embracing his fate and accepting his mortality is a very Nurgle trait as well, someone else commented the Horus quote talking about how Sanguinius had all of the Emperor's best traits and this kinda backs it up, he's a literal angel too, he's like a reverse-Chaos figure by embodying their positive aspects instead of their very worst, depraved ideals and aspects
In one of the siege on terra books we see a flashback of Sanguinius meeting the child of one of Zephon's armorers. He remembered not only the names of the parents who had served their whole lives under Zephon, but the child's name too. He remembered the name of some random "indentured servant" who should have been way beneath his notice. He then states that he remembers/knows the names of all who serve his legion. Sanguinius will forever be my favorite primarch. Not a single one, even Vulkan, comes close to his humility and love of humanity.
Ngl in End of the Death vol2 & 3 the Sanginius' death was brutal, psychically kept alive to witness it, and the desecration of his corpse would definitely leave an imprint on all of his sons. While everyone mentions Sangy's death as the catalyst, people neglect to mention how insane it was.
The reason why sanguinius is my favorite character is the outlook of his perfection. How he sees himself, how the 40k fans see him, and how the wider imperium sees him. The wider imperium see sanguinius as a literal angel. Beloved by everyone, a genuine nice guy. He was so well liked just thinking about him made the butchers nails in deamon angrons head sooth. Even the silent king might have been a fan of the guy. But due to all of this 40k fans either worship him as the greatest primarch of all time or disregard him as a mary sue with no nuisance to his character besides being beloved. The kicker is sanguinius is completely aware of how everyone sees him. He is aware that he is viewed as perfect despite his sons developing a literal thirst for blood that he desperately keeps hidden from the emperor. He is aware that he is considered beautiful despite also falling into the category of a “filthy mutant” due to his angel wings being a very noticeable mutation. He is aware everyone looks upon him as an actual angel in an imperium that despises religion. A walking contradiction if you will. Though despite being aware of all of this, despite the impossibly high pedestal everyone has placed him on he doesn’t complain. He simply does his best to live up to those impossible expectations even at his own detriment. The saddest part is sons ended up following in his footsteps. Now they have to try to fill the impossibly large shoes sanguinius left behind after his death while hiding the flaws that death caused from the imperium.
I suppose that's true. When I read the Devastation of Baal, I noticed how everyone seemed to have this sense of failure to them. Not the failure of "We didn't save our Primarch", like literally everyone else in the Loyalist legions, as much as the failure of "Why can't we do better than this?" I suppose I should offer some of my sympathies to the Blood Angels because they're just trying their absolute best in the only ways they know how and they know it isn't enough. They know they'll never measure up because they can't give the Imperium the same hope that their Primarch did all those years ago and yet, as you pointed out, not even he could either. He was just a symbol of the collective hope that had been building throughout the whole Crusade and was forced to become even more "perfect" because he had to help keep that hope alive and too much of it rode on him for him to ignore it. I don't like seeing those human qualities in these Superhuman characters but I think you're right for pointing out how important they are to the overall picture that is the Blood Angels and their Primarch.
THANK YOU FOR REPPING ISYANDER AND KODA i research/write for them and i'm always so happy to see the love Also, i love this episode. Kelley, my friend who i loved more than anything, she was like Sanguinius. She was everyone's hero, she was always helping everyone, she was a beacon of strength and compassion, completely self-sacrificing, gave everything to her work and her clients and her family and friends, and me. Everybody loved her, and nobody knew how much it weighed on her. She overdosed and died and yeah, that was heavy, but i appreciate you talking about this
I like Sanguinius, to me his perfection is an ilusion, people both inside and outside the universe sees him as too much and they tend to stay away, and he is aware of this, he feels alone, abandoned, his only friend and most beloved brother was Horus and we know how that ended. Due to the mutation he and his sons suffer he develops this latent insecurity that forces him to give his best permanently, wich only increases that loneliness. But for me, above all things, what i feel most identified with is his internal struggle, he has to constantly fight against his negative self and all that stuff just gets me.
My favourite 40k lore channel + my top 3 primarchs. Perfection. Sanguinius is everything that Fulgrim wanted to be. I think people hate or enjoy joking about Sanguinius's death because there is genuinely nothing else you can falter the character on. He was more noble than the most honour bound dark angel, more savage than the drunkest space wolf and would force the burden of changing fate upon himself. Even when he was the only one that knew the true outcome. He knew he was heading towards his death at the hands of Horus, He knew what it would do to his sons. He knew it all. but what makes Sanguinius Sanguinius is that he went anyway because it was his part to see till the end.
Full stop. Sanguinius is the entire reason I even got into Blood Angels and 40k. Because he is such a paragon of compassion mixed with the collective rage and anger of his legion. I am still reading through the Heresy as I write this, but even from the first glimpse I got of him and his legion, there is little else but respect and admiration I have for him and the blood angels. Other legions might be stronger. Maybe even better. But the Blood Angels and Sanguinius will always be my legion and my favorite.
Here's my views on Sanguinius, and the to little talked about of him and Angron's thematic parallels. Sanguinius was designed, made, to be a killer. Him and his sons were made to be butchers- the Red Thirst shows this. The Revenant Legion, the Blood Angels before Sanguinius could nurture them into something else, grew into bezerkers and slaughters. Angron was made to be an empath. A unifier, a charismatic leader, to guide brothers under his banner. He was made to be what Sanguinius became. He united the slaves against the High Riders. He could heal through touch. His legion, the War Hounds, were the closest in their bonds of brotherhood. And yet, they became opposites. Through their nurturing, their upbringing, they swapped roles. Sanguinius became the empathic uniter Angron was made to be and Angron became the monster Sanguinius was made to be. The Red Thirst and Butcher's Nails. Their Legions followed suite. One was born with bloodthirst, the other had it hammered into their heads. One grew past it, the other fell to it. The Revenant Legion became nobility, Blood Angels. The War Hounds became monsters, the World Eaters. Notice this: The Revenant Legion and the War Hounds were close and often worked together. Sanguinius and Angron were both called "Angels." The Great Angel and the Red Angel. Sanguinius and the Blood Angels were the first chosen Legion of Khorne. Their nature, their original purpose, almost coming back to them, calling them, reminding them what they were meant to be. But they have risen past their nature, they were nurtured into something better. The two are so remarkably similar, yet so extremely opposite. They are the same coin but opposite sides, and beyond that, they were made to be what the other became. Kind of ramble-y, but these are my thoughts on it!
This is so wonderfully put and is sympathetic to the World Eaters in a way that you don't often see other than people noting that the World Eaters' relationship with Angron is the perfect analogy for a chronically abused child trying to please the parent that abuses them. It will never be enough. Ironically what Sanguinius felt in the end-- he did not want to be there, nothing he did to protect the Imperium was enough to forsee Horus' fall to chaos. And he was the one with foresight. So he decided to fight to the death. He did not want to walk away from that battle with Horus. He was tired. So very, very tired. Only someone like Sanguinius could have held on to himself that long. Angron couldn't. Because that's not the role he was *meant* to play and a big part of him knew that. It's what makes both of them as primachs so compelling.
This video should have been about Hope and Courage; Sanguinius knew he would die, but fought anyways. He fought, for YEARS, because the idea of surrender or giving in to despair was never an option. He understood he had a responsibility, and he would face his final moments with as much dignity as any person in all of history ever could. Instead of resignation or bitterness, like Curze, our Glorious Golden Hawkboy lived an incredible, heroic life, positively impacting trillions of people, saving the galaxy, and inspiring people for the next 12k years.
My best friend Toby related to the Angel with is tempered anger and rage. He recognized his own emotions and faced them. His mind fractured from a young age. By man hood he was a shattered person of who he was meant to be. But even with that he was the best person I ever have known. A man with more love to give the world than it could handle. He related to the blood angels in most ways, like that he could see the beauty in things like art (for him music especially). Him and I were brothers, are brothers, may he rest eternally.
arthur on your note of uploading late. dont be upset about it, youre one of my favourite youtubers and content creators (in the top 3) and every one of your uploads genuinely makes my time on this earth easier. im struggling a lot right now and i would have made an incredibly bad decision last week if not for me opening youtube and seeing you had uploaded. as long as the video gets out thats all that matters. thank you man, keep up the great work :)
Recently I’ve been finding myself come back to both this video, and the peterturbo one, almost every day. The topics you discuss in both of them make me feel so seen, so they’ve been helping me a lot during this little rough patch I’ve been going through. Fantastic videos, as well as all your other ones! Can’t wait to see the rest of the primarch series, love how you go so in-depth into who they are as people.
Due to TH-cam algorithm I first saw your episode on Fulgrim and then this one. This synchronicous connection showed me that they are odd reflections of each other. Both sought perfection through artistic endeavors but Fulgrim did so to satisfy his ego and fell while Sanguinius' selfless nature allowed him to attain a manner of grace.
Sanguinius is so perfect on the outside that it makes his own flaws and insecurities worse. He knows the flaws in his sons are a reflection of himself, the darkness and rage that is hidden inside his perfect exterior. He also alway has the pressure of living up to his own image. It is even suggested in his primarch book the reason the Emperor chose Horus over him is he is unrelatable, all of the brothers are these super human demigods but he is just a step to far. As much as the heresy ends poorly for him it feels like it’s the one time he gets to be himself. I think my favorite moment is when he is fighting Angron, and Angron looks into his eyes and feels jealous of the purity of the rage and hate he sees in him,.
Out of all of the fans of the individual chapters blood angel fans act the most like blood angels the way they prop up their primarch and how they go rabid if anyone tries to not say he is utter perfection. Like he’s good but I have had fans get red in the face and clenching their hands by merely saying something along the lines of “yeah I think there’s a good possibility he COULD lose a fight to the Lion, the Khan, or Fulgrim” I can’t think of any other chapter who’s fans adamantly defend a legion to that point
Arthur, you don’t know how this video gave me a huge revelation. I didn’t think I would see so much of myself in Sanguinius. I think he is a great example of altruistic burnout, which I realize I myself have been starting to feel. Not to go into too many details, but my job is wholly self sacrifice. And I feel myself reaching the end of my rope, and it doesn’t help that I feel stress in other parts of my life outside of work. So, thank you for helping me give a name to what I’ve been feeling. And I think from this episode, it would be interesting to go into a little depth about different philosophical ideas or concepts each Primarch represents. Idk, just a thought
Ironically I see a bit of Chapias Cain in him... Mostly the idea of trying to carry the image and stand as something everyone else needs as you try to live up to the impossible image no matter how hard it is and how much MORE you would rather not try and live up to it. Though Cain got lucky and has moments of relief and peace and not being a primarch. Sanguinius carried through the best he could to stand as that brighter image for everyone in the hope that even his death would aid to serve more than what his life could have given... and tragically his breaking point in death... is what cursed his legion with all the baggage he had never been able to get rid of.
You have become one of my favorite TH-camr. You make me look at these 40k characters in profound ways that have never occurred to me before. Thank you.
I loved Sanguinius when I read that when he met his legion for the first time, instead of them bowing to him, he bowed to them, ‘This Legion is not mine,’ Sanguinius called out to his sons as he rose to his feet. ‘It is not a possession to be manipulated purely by my will. This Legion is ours. And though you are my sons, fated to answer to me, I am your primarch, and I will answer to you."
I think the best character that Sanguinius can relate to is Record of Ragnarok's Apollo. He too has the "perfect image" motif that the other gods put on him but as he fights Leonidas(yes you read that right), he begins to show his true self in front of everyone.
I agree with your thoughts completely. As a Blood Angels fan, I actually have a hard time liking the "Blangels", if I correctly heard you incorrectly but beautifully call them 😏. I constantly find myself coming back to Sanguinius because I love this idea of love and light that he pushes that I feel I can never find in the same intensity or purity with his successor chapters. And I've been constantly looking for someone to explain why that is and so far, your video has come the closest out of anyone's. 🙂 Your views on the big Angel Boy himself remind me that we all like our respective characters from 40k because we connect with them on some level and that they have some inestimable degree of some human virtue to them or something like that and so it's important to remember that I, personally, really like Sanguinius because he's ultimately human despite his superhuman qualities and is also one of the few primarchs to really recognize that his humanity is a part of who he is. Regardless, and to make a long story somewhat shorter, I do also like how you broke down the flaws of his character that we often overlook; that he was actually very consistently getting closer and closer towards breaking down in a very awful way and that he may not have valued himself as much as he should have or given himself enough of a break to be able to bear through everything that happened. I'm glad that we can look at these fictional superhumans in such a way as to find their very human flaws so that we can overcome those same flaws in our very real lives. 🙂
Most of the time I still see Sanguinius as a good person whose kindess got used so much when it dried up, only resentment and bitterness remained. Basically likes me currently, I always treat people nice and equal, try to satisfy most of their request with no compensations, but in the long run, when my kindness gets listed into the category of "natural" things and people just assume I will do the things they ask regardless, that is when my tolerance for incompetent wears off and my anger kicks in. Similarity? I know. But do I beat those people up? Most of the time no, except for a few special cases.
Arthur i hope what ever you are going through you won't go through it again. Wish you all the happiness and joy ! We love your work and we look forward to the next one ❤
I disagree vigorously that Sanguinius suffers from altruistic burnout; for one simple reason. Sanguinius only ever laments to himself, quietly, not because he is in pain or he is suffering; but because his brothers are suffering. The people of Terra are suffering. His sons are suffering. This is the great weight that Sanguinius proves unable to bear, and it is the same sin that the Emperor endures. "I don't want to be here" is not for Sanguinius. It is for the people of Terra who die at his side. Sanguinius loves all mankind, so deeply and thoroughly that he gives of himself and his sons, willingly and totally, to their benefit. Sanguinius does not cry out for himself, but as he realizes he will die his actions are to call out to his brothers. The infamous call between Sanguinius and Dorn is, in my opinion, the prime and most thorough refutation that Sanguinius is suffering because he's giving took much. Dorn laments that he cannot do more for Sanguinius, and rather than apologize in turn or lament their collective failure: Sanguinius chooses subtle words instead. "You of all have no need to say such things. No soul has done more." Sanguinius bears the full weight of the Imperial hopes on his back, and he does not even conceive of this duty in that moment. He only wishes to praise his brother, for he knows the pain his brother endures. The Black Rage lies not in Sanguinius' own mind, nor his own suffering. But in the indignity visited upon a truly righteous soul. The Rage can claim any and all of his sons, because they know what a true and gentle spirit Sanguinius possessed. To denigrate it by saying it was fractures in Sanguinius' psyche is, in my opinion, to diminish the point. The Black Rage is not howling against one's own choices, but howling against the dying of what is righteous and the exaltation of what is evil.
Sanguinius is in my top three primarchs considering how level headed he is. Although I like Jaghatai more Sangy is dope. I would also liks to submit my sixteenth request for a Red Scorpions video. with love, cool dude
I feel like I can relate to Sanguinius in terms of the altruistic burn out as I did that in my twenties...however I ended up becoming so burned out and bitter that I essentially lost it and went Kurze meets Fulgrim. Addiction sucks. Don't let yourselves burn out people. Take a step back and remember, Sanguinius and the Emperor love you.
I dig sanguinius he's pretty cool, kind of like the same reason why superman is interesting, as strong as you are individually you can't fix the problems
That line he gives to the Imperial Army was heavy to listen to in the audiobook. A woman starts crying, saying she'd been trying to hold it in for years because once she started she wouldn't stop. Although it's statistically improbable, they later cannot find records of anyone having abandoned their posts despite being given permission to do so by Sanguinius
Thank you for making this it was truly an experience you have gained a loyal subscriber brother. (although you did send me into the black rage with your Blood Angels are mid video but that's besides the point)
My favorite Legion and my favorite Primarch. I relate a lot to him unfortunately and specially to the last parts you mentioned as him becoming bitter over the years resenting his tendency to self sacrifice for the good of others and never himself
To me Sanguinius is what people should aspire to be. Funny how you described Horus as Lex Luthor because I always thought Sanguinius was a lot like Superman. Obviously he kills way more and has some other differences but I think they have some nice overlap. If Sanguinius could have done more, he would have. I love the Fabulous Golden Hawk Boi
Hey man, hope you're doing alright. Great video as always, really enjoying the deeper look at our favourite demi-god space generals. I didn't comment at the time but you actually got me to empathise and hate Leman Russ less with his video. I know it might not seem like much but your videos have help me and I'm guessing many others through a few tuff days, weeks or months and I hope you know we're all grateful for it. Keep moving forward brother. 💪🏻
I love all the primarchs and their legions, but the blood angels just hit it perfectly for me. Specifically their origin as the revenant legion, their born again story under Sanguinius, and their upholding of his glory across the millenia.
i dont know if u hit this or i just missed it but imma mention it anyway cus im weird like that, the 9th before Hawk boi arrives are called the Revenants 1 cus they like u said get the job done no matter what but 2 and far more importantly, they were cannibals and ate the dead, which due to space marine biology magic meant they could relive and absorb the memories of the dead so they were called the revenants because the former members of the legion literally lived on in the current members, the legion master would for instance always have the same name discarding his old whenever the previous incumbent died and would carry a lot of the same personality traits similar to how people who have heart transplants can develop traits of the donor
Im also not a blood angels fan but sanguinius is one of my favorite primarchs. The perfect son, the beloved son, the son loved and/or respected by all his brothers. But deep down hes struggling to keep up with the facade of perfection. Slowly falling apart. Ive always been curious how an interaction with him and my favorite primarch, corvus corax, would go? The perfect son loved by all interacting with the timid and reclusive shadowed lord.
To be frank, the first time I heard of the blood angels, I thought, "Cool space vampirers." But after learning about them. I actually love these guys. The idea of fighting their urges and trying to be more really strikes a chord with me.
The crazy thing about Sanguinius is that, for all of his foresight and perfection he was effectively rejected by the Emperor. Everyone but Lion El Johnson and Perturabo thought he should be Warmaster, Big E doesn't talk with him at all when he's on Earth, he's put of the loop on the Webway project, he isn't allowed an Empire within the Empire, a triple sized legion, or to impose his religion on others. And he still stands, nay flies, with all the pressure on his shoulders.
Snaguinous is cool, but I think his burnout could've been represented better. I love your Twin-Primarch Theory, which I've also been wondering about since I studied up on Omalphagon. When you are done with all the Primarch videos, I would like to hear your thoughts on the Dornian & Lionel Heresy's.
It's really challenging to write a character that is, canonically, perceived as perfect, and yet is just at the end of the day, fallible but doing his best. I think the Horus Heresy books nailed it with Sanguinius. Such a difficult balance to strike.
Radiation doesn't cause people to mutate in ways a creature isn't genetically deposed to. One could grow extra legs, but not horns. Either the Emperor knew what he was doing, or the warp keeps breaking the rules. I think Tzeentch did it.
Im listening to this after a returned after midnight from a party while walking the dog. Thank you Connor without you the warhammer space would be less fun :)
"Super vampire angel killed by Mega-Satan posessed super Lex Luthor" must be the best description of Sanguinius's demise to this date.
By far..
*Snanguinious
Wahahahah mega satan
In front of super golden flaming sword eagle mega-daddy
Direct quote from Horus Lupercal, when he’s contemplating his position as war master
“Sanguinius. It should have been him. He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once victory is won. For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood. Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed. Sanguinius holds it all. It should have been him…”
Even Guilliman made him ruler of Imperium Secundus
That's why they didn't understand him...
He's like Perturabo but with no attitude.
Yes he would have done what's best and he would have done it better than Horus...
Until he reached his breaking point, the Horus heresy would have been a walk in the park compared to that...
@@christophebedouret9813 He's absolutely nothing like Perturabo. Because Sanguinius actually understands and likes other people.
Furthermore, by thinking that Sanguinius COULD fall you fail to understand Sanguinius at all. His breaking point is his death. He knew, from the beginning, he would die in service to the Emperor.
@@ZeroNumerous Perturabo understands people that why he hates them, Sanguinus understands them too but he loves them...
Perturabo hates people because he knows people can be better but don't choose too but Sanguinius loves people because he knows they could be much worse but don't chose too...
The fact that he knew how he would go down was certainly the main reason he couldn't break, so you're right.
@@ZeroNumerous He even has a vision of his death weeks or months ahead of time, and still goes forward with every step that will lead to it with zero hesitation.
@@Maxsmackthat’s why I always thought of the Lamenters as his “true” successors. Strive forward no matter what is ahead to protect those who come after.
He is my favorite Primarch. He isnt written like a Mary Sue, despite being depicted as near-perfect. You see him struggle under the weight of his own image. His own example. And through all hardship, even when it would be easiest to throw nobility aside and embrace the savagery of Chaos, he and his sons always pushed against the temptation. They defend humanity from horrific threats. They work well with regular forces. Not Salamanders, but they won't look down on you either.
I play several armies both Imperial and Chaos and I absolutely love Sanguinius. I tolerate no slander on my beautiful golden hawk boy.
There is a difference between characters who are Mary sues and characters who are actually righteous
Well said thank you for explaining sanguiniouses internal struggle 👏
Khorne: please Sanguinius you got to join us, you would look absolutely amazing as fallen angel and your children are super good at collecting skulls and I need that in my life.
Blood angels: spill blood? I can’t!
I DRANKED IT ALLLLLLLL
Sanguinius: Nuh Uh!?
Haahah 😆💀⚔️
As the saying goes... Khorne wanted Sanguinius, but settled for Angron.
Ooooof. Angron. Truly the most traumatized of all the primarchs.@@DT-267K
Even though he's not my favorite, i understand and love sanguinius. I love that Him and Kurze have an interesting dichotomy. Whereas kurze can see the future and be a nihilist or pessimist who won't do anything, Sanguinius is a an optimist and a stoic willing to try and change things.
Sanguinius to me represents the ability to try and change your future. He is up there with the best of primarchs and I love that even though he's the literal embodiment of an angel he know he's still human.
Ironically this description makes him sound like the positive side of Tzeentch, like Tzeentch is known as the Changer of Ways, the idea that your fate is your own to make, your decisions are not set in stone etc etc, that description encapsulates that perfectly, him and his sons also have the bloodlust and hunger for battle that Khorne would love, even wearing red already and having the Red Thirst as their gene-flaw, even an element of Slaanesh in the positive way since Slaanesh is the embodiment of all emotion, negative and positive, through their art and music, those positive emotions and their negative ones from falling to the Red Thirst or mourning a fallen brother, especially since losing their Primarch, they kinda represent a certain positive aspect of Slaanesh in some small way too, you could even make a strained argument that Sanguinius embracing his fate and accepting his mortality is a very Nurgle trait as well, someone else commented the Horus quote talking about how Sanguinius had all of the Emperor's best traits and this kinda backs it up, he's a literal angel too, he's like a reverse-Chaos figure by embodying their positive aspects instead of their very worst, depraved ideals and aspects
Sanguinius is stored in the baal
Lost it at the office
His soul still remains somewhere in the warp, wandering.
In one of the siege on terra books we see a flashback of Sanguinius meeting the child of one of Zephon's armorers. He remembered not only the names of the parents who had served their whole lives under Zephon, but the child's name too. He remembered the name of some random "indentured servant" who should have been way beneath his notice. He then states that he remembers/knows the names of all who serve his legion. Sanguinius will forever be my favorite primarch. Not a single one, even Vulkan, comes close to his humility and love of humanity.
11:42 when you listen closely you can hear his sanity break
He made it so far...
He fell to the red thirst
He fell to the black rage
11:40 Arthur fell to the black rage lol
Ngl in End of the Death vol2 & 3 the Sanginius' death was brutal, psychically kept alive to witness it, and the desecration of his corpse would definitely leave an imprint on all of his sons. While everyone mentions Sangy's death as the catalyst, people neglect to mention how insane it was.
The reason why sanguinius is my favorite character is the outlook of his perfection. How he sees himself, how the 40k fans see him, and how the wider imperium sees him.
The wider imperium see sanguinius as a literal angel. Beloved by everyone, a genuine nice guy. He was so well liked just thinking about him made the butchers nails in deamon angrons head sooth. Even the silent king might have been a fan of the guy.
But due to all of this 40k fans either worship him as the greatest primarch of all time or disregard him as a mary sue with no nuisance to his character besides being beloved.
The kicker is sanguinius is completely aware of how everyone sees him. He is aware that he is viewed as perfect despite his sons developing a literal thirst for blood that he desperately keeps hidden from the emperor. He is aware that he is considered beautiful despite also falling into the category of a “filthy mutant” due to his angel wings being a very noticeable mutation. He is aware everyone looks upon him as an actual angel in an imperium that despises religion. A walking contradiction if you will. Though despite being aware of all of this, despite the impossibly high pedestal everyone has placed him on he doesn’t complain. He simply does his best to live up to those impossible expectations even at his own detriment. The saddest part is sons ended up following in his footsteps. Now they have to try to fill the impossibly large shoes sanguinius left behind after his death while hiding the flaws that death caused from the imperium.
I suppose that's true. When I read the Devastation of Baal, I noticed how everyone seemed to have this sense of failure to them. Not the failure of "We didn't save our Primarch", like literally everyone else in the Loyalist legions, as much as the failure of "Why can't we do better than this?"
I suppose I should offer some of my sympathies to the Blood Angels because they're just trying their absolute best in the only ways they know how and they know it isn't enough. They know they'll never measure up because they can't give the Imperium the same hope that their Primarch did all those years ago and yet, as you pointed out, not even he could either.
He was just a symbol of the collective hope that had been building throughout the whole Crusade and was forced to become even more "perfect" because he had to help keep that hope alive and too much of it rode on him for him to ignore it.
I don't like seeing those human qualities in these Superhuman characters but I think you're right for pointing out how important they are to the overall picture that is the Blood Angels and their Primarch.
THANK YOU FOR REPPING ISYANDER AND KODA i research/write for them and i'm always so happy to see the love
Also, i love this episode. Kelley, my friend who i loved more than anything, she was like Sanguinius. She was everyone's hero, she was always helping everyone, she was a beacon of strength and compassion, completely self-sacrificing, gave everything to her work and her clients and her family and friends, and me. Everybody loved her, and nobody knew how much it weighed on her. She overdosed and died and yeah, that was heavy, but i appreciate you talking about this
My deepest condolences. So absolutely sorry for you.
sorry
My condolences
My condolences as a fellow Sanguineous fan may she Rest in Peace beneath the Angels wings 🪽
I’m sorry for your loss
The last time I was this early, Ferrus was a foot taller...
You mean, a head above his brothers?
You could say you were a HEAD of the game
:D
You gotbyour head in the game!
Man, you’ve jumped to far ahead with this joke. That’s the next video.
Why do these jokes alway head to the same punchline
I like Sanguinius, to me his perfection is an ilusion, people both inside and outside the universe sees him as too much and they tend to stay away, and he is aware of this, he feels alone, abandoned, his only friend and most beloved brother was Horus and we know how that ended. Due to the mutation he and his sons suffer he develops this latent insecurity that forces him to give his best permanently, wich only increases that loneliness.
But for me, above all things, what i feel most identified with is his internal struggle, he has to constantly fight against his negative self and all that stuff just gets me.
My favourite 40k lore channel + my top 3 primarchs. Perfection.
Sanguinius is everything that Fulgrim wanted to be. I think people hate or enjoy joking about Sanguinius's death because there is genuinely nothing else you can falter the character on. He was more noble than the most honour bound dark angel, more savage than the drunkest space wolf and would force the burden of changing fate upon himself. Even when he was the only one that knew the true outcome. He knew he was heading towards his death at the hands of Horus, He knew what it would do to his sons. He knew it all. but what makes Sanguinius Sanguinius is that he went anyway because it was his part to see till the end.
They are opposite in a key aspect that define both: Sanguinius is humble, Fulgrim is proud.
Full stop. Sanguinius is the entire reason I even got into Blood Angels and 40k. Because he is such a paragon of compassion mixed with the collective rage and anger of his legion. I am still reading through the Heresy as I write this, but even from the first glimpse I got of him and his legion, there is little else but respect and admiration I have for him and the blood angels. Other legions might be stronger. Maybe even better. But the Blood Angels and Sanguinius will always be my legion and my favorite.
Here's my views on Sanguinius, and the to little talked about of him and Angron's thematic parallels.
Sanguinius was designed, made, to be a killer. Him and his sons were made to be butchers- the Red Thirst shows this. The Revenant Legion, the Blood Angels before Sanguinius could nurture them into something else, grew into bezerkers and slaughters.
Angron was made to be an empath. A unifier, a charismatic leader, to guide brothers under his banner. He was made to be what Sanguinius became. He united the slaves against the High Riders. He could heal through touch. His legion, the War Hounds, were the closest in their bonds of brotherhood.
And yet, they became opposites. Through their nurturing, their upbringing, they swapped roles. Sanguinius became the empathic uniter Angron was made to be and Angron became the monster Sanguinius was made to be. The Red Thirst and Butcher's Nails. Their Legions followed suite.
One was born with bloodthirst, the other had it hammered into their heads. One grew past it, the other fell to it. The Revenant Legion became nobility, Blood Angels. The War Hounds became monsters, the World Eaters.
Notice this: The Revenant Legion and the War Hounds were close and often worked together. Sanguinius and Angron were both called "Angels." The Great Angel and the Red Angel.
Sanguinius and the Blood Angels were the first chosen Legion of Khorne. Their nature, their original purpose, almost coming back to them, calling them, reminding them what they were meant to be. But they have risen past their nature, they were nurtured into something better.
The two are so remarkably similar, yet so extremely opposite. They are the same coin but opposite sides, and beyond that, they were made to be what the other became.
Kind of ramble-y, but these are my thoughts on it!
You know what. I always thought about this but this is the first time I’m seeing someone articulate it so well into words.
This is so wonderfully put and is sympathetic to the World Eaters in a way that you don't often see other than people noting that the World Eaters' relationship with Angron is the perfect analogy for a chronically abused child trying to please the parent that abuses them. It will never be enough. Ironically what Sanguinius felt in the end-- he did not want to be there, nothing he did to protect the Imperium was enough to forsee Horus' fall to chaos. And he was the one with foresight. So he decided to fight to the death. He did not want to walk away from that battle with Horus. He was tired. So very, very tired. Only someone like Sanguinius could have held on to himself that long. Angron couldn't. Because that's not the role he was *meant* to play and a big part of him knew that. It's what makes both of them as primachs so compelling.
Snagunius is the greatest. I was taught, from a small child, to put others first. Sacrifice yourself. That is on MF way to live
Better not be talking smack on The Great Angel. Otherwise, I'm gonna go all Where's Horus on you.
Yooo Isyander and Koda mentioned! One of the channels that first got me into 40k (besides you)
If you've read his speech in ‘Echoes of Eternity’ you would die for him
Epikus does an amazing reading. Listen to it every so often.
This video should have been about Hope and Courage; Sanguinius knew he would die, but fought anyways. He fought, for YEARS, because the idea of surrender or giving in to despair was never an option. He understood he had a responsibility, and he would face his final moments with as much dignity as any person in all of history ever could. Instead of resignation or bitterness, like Curze, our Glorious Golden Hawkboy lived an incredible, heroic life, positively impacting trillions of people, saving the galaxy, and inspiring people for the next 12k years.
Hell yea!❤👏👏👏👏
The galaxy wasn't actually saved though, thats the whole point of the setting.
@Sara3346 "nothing ever ends" -Jon Osterman
Snaguinius is now living rent-free in my head.
*Perfectly eloquent essay*
"Snaguinius"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*Silly outro music*
I think you put it nicely, even if I never considered the concept of breaking under your own altruism.
An extremely relevant concept these days…
My best friend Toby related to the Angel with is tempered anger and rage. He recognized his own emotions and faced them. His mind fractured from a young age. By man hood he was a shattered person of who he was meant to be. But even with that he was the best person I ever have known. A man with more love to give the world than it could handle. He related to the blood angels in most ways, like that he could see the beauty in things like art (for him music especially). Him and I were brothers, are brothers, may he rest eternally.
arthur on your note of uploading late. dont be upset about it, youre one of my favourite youtubers and content creators (in the top 3) and every one of your uploads genuinely makes my time on this earth easier. im struggling a lot right now and i would have made an incredibly bad decision last week if not for me opening youtube and seeing you had uploaded. as long as the video gets out thats all that matters.
thank you man, keep up the great work :)
Recently I’ve been finding myself come back to both this video, and the peterturbo one, almost every day. The topics you discuss in both of them make me feel so seen, so they’ve been helping me a lot during this little rough patch I’ve been going through.
Fantastic videos, as well as all your other ones! Can’t wait to see the rest of the primarch series, love how you go so in-depth into who they are as people.
Due to TH-cam algorithm I first saw your episode on Fulgrim and then this one. This synchronicous connection showed me that they are odd reflections of each other. Both sought perfection through artistic endeavors but Fulgrim did so to satisfy his ego and fell while Sanguinius' selfless nature allowed him to attain a manner of grace.
Sanguinius is so perfect on the outside that it makes his own flaws and insecurities worse. He knows the flaws in his sons are a reflection of himself, the darkness and rage that is hidden inside his perfect exterior. He also alway has the pressure of living up to his own image. It is even suggested in his primarch book the reason the Emperor chose Horus over him is he is unrelatable, all of the brothers are these super human demigods but he is just a step to far. As much as the heresy ends poorly for him it feels like it’s the one time he gets to be himself. I think my favorite moment is when he is fighting Angron, and Angron looks into his eyes and feels jealous of the purity of the rage and hate he sees in him,.
Out of all of the fans of the individual chapters blood angel fans act the most like blood angels the way they prop up their primarch and how they go rabid if anyone tries to not say he is utter perfection. Like he’s good but I have had fans get red in the face and clenching their hands by merely saying something along the lines of “yeah I think there’s a good possibility he COULD lose a fight to the Lion, the Khan, or Fulgrim” I can’t think of any other chapter who’s fans adamantly defend a legion to that point
Yeah, we can be like that.
Sounds about right, all of my fellow blood angel fans i know worship sanguinius like he is our savior ( He is)
Just wait until you see them lifting in a gym.
@@cryamistellimek9184 well in that case they want to me to say those things. It acts as like the black rage for them so they can get that new pr
This is real
As someone who lost his faith then regained it in his late 20’s, I hope you come back. It’s more meaningful now than it was as a kid
Thank you for finally covering my favorite primarch.
6:37 not the Horussy
Sanguinius is one of my favorite Primarchs, embodies a desire to do good in spite of a very cruel and unforgiving galaxy.
sangy has always been my favorite
he's the one that wants to rage and is about to loose it but he holds it together for everyone else
The fact that I can't die defending Eternity Gate, fighting besides Sanguinius, makes me legitimately sad. I long for a death so meaningful.
You, Mr. Bones, are an essayist. Thanks for the thoughts.
Wow… these videos just keep getting better. I think that’s a phenomenal analysis of the character’s core that often goes overlooked. Thank you!
Arthur, you don’t know how this video gave me a huge revelation. I didn’t think I would see so much of myself in Sanguinius. I think he is a great example of altruistic burnout, which I realize I myself have been starting to feel. Not to go into too many details, but my job is wholly self sacrifice. And I feel myself reaching the end of my rope, and it doesn’t help that I feel stress in other parts of my life outside of work. So, thank you for helping me give a name to what I’ve been feeling. And I think from this episode, it would be interesting to go into a little depth about different philosophical ideas or concepts each Primarch represents. Idk, just a thought
Ironically I see a bit of Chapias Cain in him... Mostly the idea of trying to carry the image and stand as something everyone else needs as you try to live up to the impossible image no matter how hard it is and how much MORE you would rather not try and live up to it.
Though Cain got lucky and has moments of relief and peace and not being a primarch.
Sanguinius carried through the best he could to stand as that brighter image for everyone in the hope that even his death would aid to serve more than what his life could have given... and tragically his breaking point in death... is what cursed his legion with all the baggage he had never been able to get rid of.
3:11 that “fuck” kills me
You have become one of my favorite TH-camr. You make me look at these 40k characters in profound ways that have never occurred to me before. Thank you.
I loved Sanguinius when I read that when he met his legion for the first time, instead of them bowing to him, he bowed to them, ‘This Legion is not mine,’ Sanguinius called out to his sons as he rose to his feet. ‘It is not a possession to be manipulated purely by my will. This Legion is ours. And though you are my sons, fated to answer to me, I am your primarch, and I will answer to you."
I think the best character that Sanguinius can relate to is Record of Ragnarok's Apollo.
He too has the "perfect image" motif that the other gods put on him but as he fights Leonidas(yes you read that right), he begins to show his true self in front of everyone.
I agree with your thoughts completely. As a Blood Angels fan, I actually have a hard time liking the "Blangels", if I correctly heard you incorrectly but beautifully call them 😏.
I constantly find myself coming back to Sanguinius because I love this idea of love and light that he pushes that I feel I can never find in the same intensity or purity with his successor chapters. And I've been constantly looking for someone to explain why that is and so far, your video has come the closest out of anyone's. 🙂
Your views on the big Angel Boy himself remind me that we all like our respective characters from 40k because we connect with them on some level and that they have some inestimable degree of some human virtue to them or something like that and so it's important to remember that I, personally, really like Sanguinius because he's ultimately human despite his superhuman qualities and is also one of the few primarchs to really recognize that his humanity is a part of who he is.
Regardless, and to make a long story somewhat shorter, I do also like how you broke down the flaws of his character that we often overlook; that he was actually very consistently getting closer and closer towards breaking down in a very awful way and that he may not have valued himself as much as he should have or given himself enough of a break to be able to bear through everything that happened. I'm glad that we can look at these fictional superhumans in such a way as to find their very human flaws so that we can overcome those same flaws in our very real lives. 🙂
Most of the time I still see Sanguinius as a good person whose kindess got used so much when it dried up, only resentment and bitterness remained. Basically likes me currently, I always treat people nice and equal, try to satisfy most of their request with no compensations, but in the long run, when my kindness gets listed into the category of "natural" things and people just assume I will do the things they ask regardless, that is when my tolerance for incompetent wears off and my anger kicks in. Similarity? I know. But do I beat those people up? Most of the time no, except for a few special cases.
Isyander and Kodak getting named dropped!? That cool
That was an awsome video cant wait to see the rest of the series!
I come to your channel for amazing lore content but I always get a therapy session. Thank you Mrbones
Arthur i hope what ever you are going through you won't go through it again. Wish you all the happiness and joy ! We love your work and we look forward to the next one ❤
Beautiful video, man. I loved the personal anecdote about Happiness too.
0:24 dark prince from clash Royale what are you doing here
Snaguinius? More like Snack-guinius.
My Primarch, you are perfection incarnet
I hope youre doing well. Your uploads make me feel not so alone in my personal endeavors and certain ideations. I appreciate you my man!
This is a fantastic philosophical treatment of my beloved chapter (which may, erm...DOES, have something to do with my psyche). Thank you!
Sanguinius' speech before the battle of Eternity Gate is the best thing I have ever heard. It captures his nobility and sheer virtue like nothing else
I disagree vigorously that Sanguinius suffers from altruistic burnout; for one simple reason.
Sanguinius only ever laments to himself, quietly, not because he is in pain or he is suffering; but because his brothers are suffering. The people of Terra are suffering. His sons are suffering. This is the great weight that Sanguinius proves unable to bear, and it is the same sin that the Emperor endures. "I don't want to be here" is not for Sanguinius. It is for the people of Terra who die at his side.
Sanguinius loves all mankind, so deeply and thoroughly that he gives of himself and his sons, willingly and totally, to their benefit. Sanguinius does not cry out for himself, but as he realizes he will die his actions are to call out to his brothers.
The infamous call between Sanguinius and Dorn is, in my opinion, the prime and most thorough refutation that Sanguinius is suffering because he's giving took much. Dorn laments that he cannot do more for Sanguinius, and rather than apologize in turn or lament their collective failure: Sanguinius chooses subtle words instead.
"You of all have no need to say such things. No soul has done more."
Sanguinius bears the full weight of the Imperial hopes on his back, and he does not even conceive of this duty in that moment. He only wishes to praise his brother, for he knows the pain his brother endures.
The Black Rage lies not in Sanguinius' own mind, nor his own suffering. But in the indignity visited upon a truly righteous soul. The Rage can claim any and all of his sons, because they know what a true and gentle spirit Sanguinius possessed.
To denigrate it by saying it was fractures in Sanguinius' psyche is, in my opinion, to diminish the point. The Black Rage is not howling against one's own choices, but howling against the dying of what is righteous and the exaltation of what is evil.
Sanguinius is in my top three primarchs considering how level headed he is. Although I like Jaghatai more Sangy is dope.
I would also liks to submit my sixteenth request for a Red Scorpions video.
with love,
cool dude
I recently listened to your appearances on Astartes Anonymous and they could not stop laughing. You got to get back there lol.
I feel like I can relate to Sanguinius in terms of the altruistic burn out as I did that in my twenties...however I ended up becoming so burned out and bitter that I essentially lost it and went Kurze meets Fulgrim.
Addiction sucks. Don't let yourselves burn out people. Take a step back and remember, Sanguinius and the Emperor love you.
So we all are IRON WARRIOR at HEART.
And We Should be Like THE NIGHT LORD More just Because WE CAN.
I recently learned Sanguinius had to kill his son who succumbed to the rage. Tragic.
Thanks for this video, I do enjoy hearing about Snaguinius.
I dig sanguinius he's pretty cool, kind of like the same reason why superman is interesting, as strong as you are individually you can't fix the problems
Blood Rage out for Snanguinius
That line he gives to the Imperial Army was heavy to listen to in the audiobook. A woman starts crying, saying she'd been trying to hold it in for years because once she started she wouldn't stop. Although it's statistically improbable, they later cannot find records of anyone having abandoned their posts despite being given permission to do so by Sanguinius
3:28 Blangels are stored in the baals
Love that you mentioned isaynder and Koda! My OTHER fav w40k channels
Thank you for making this it was truly an experience you have gained a loyal subscriber brother. (although you did send me into the black rage with your Blood Angels are mid video but that's besides the point)
"Altruistic burnout"
Thanks, I felt this video a lot.
You are an amazing comunicator!
F for the Hawk-boy... 🥺😢😭
My favorite Legion and my favorite Primarch. I relate a lot to him unfortunately and specially to the last parts you mentioned as him becoming bitter over the years resenting his tendency to self sacrifice for the good of others and never himself
To me Sanguinius is what people should aspire to be. Funny how you described Horus as Lex Luthor because I always thought Sanguinius was a lot like Superman. Obviously he kills way more and has some other differences but I think they have some nice overlap. If Sanguinius could have done more, he would have. I love the Fabulous Golden Hawk Boi
Sanguinious is a perfect way to show what happens when people who are constantly putting others first tend to feel as they die
I didn't expect to go in to this video and experience a emotional rollercoaster
I think you stumbled on close to what another friend cals him as Snack-Guinius
Will you ever go on 'Deep Dives' on the Primarchs? Like 20+ Mins? Or a review of them all once you finish the Horus Heresy ? Love the content!
Hey man, hope you're doing alright.
Great video as always, really enjoying the deeper look at our favourite demi-god space generals. I didn't comment at the time but you actually got me to empathise and hate Leman Russ less with his video.
I know it might not seem like much but your videos have help me and I'm guessing many others through a few tuff days, weeks or months and I hope you know we're all grateful for it.
Keep moving forward brother. 💪🏻
It’s Saturday night, you’re painting minis and listening to Mr. Bones. That’s a pretty good night.
I love all the primarchs and their legions, but the blood angels just hit it perfectly for me.
Specifically their origin as the revenant legion, their born again story under Sanguinius, and their upholding of his glory across the millenia.
This has became my new fav 40k channel
i dont know if u hit this or i just missed it but imma mention it anyway cus im weird like that, the 9th before Hawk boi arrives are called the Revenants 1 cus they like u said get the job done no matter what but 2 and far more importantly, they were cannibals and ate the dead, which due to space marine biology magic meant they could relive and absorb the memories of the dead so they were called the revenants because the former members of the legion literally lived on in the current members, the legion master would for instance always have the same name discarding his old whenever the previous incumbent died and would carry a lot of the same personality traits similar to how people who have heart transplants can develop traits of the donor
Thank you for your work, Blister Moans. I mean, aww, dangit, it's catching!
Im also not a blood angels fan but sanguinius is one of my favorite primarchs. The perfect son, the beloved son, the son loved and/or respected by all his brothers. But deep down hes struggling to keep up with the facade of perfection. Slowly falling apart.
Ive always been curious how an interaction with him and my favorite primarch, corvus corax, would go? The perfect son loved by all interacting with the timid and reclusive shadowed lord.
To be frank, the first time I heard of the blood angels, I thought, "Cool space vampirers." But after learning about them. I actually love these guys. The idea of fighting their urges and trying to be more really strikes a chord with me.
The crazy thing about Sanguinius is that, for all of his foresight and perfection he was effectively rejected by the Emperor. Everyone but Lion El Johnson and Perturabo thought he should be Warmaster, Big E doesn't talk with him at all when he's on Earth, he's put of the loop on the Webway project, he isn't allowed an Empire within the Empire, a triple sized legion, or to impose his religion on others. And he still stands, nay flies, with all the pressure on his shoulders.
Man, how the end in the death portrayed that event was the most heartbreaking
Every time Spaces In-Between comes on my brain gives me the good chemicals
Yo the way you kept misspelling his name had me rolling especially the last one 😂😂😂
Sanguinius is the light and hope of mankind, therefore he tragically needed to die for 40k to exist. That’s as beautiful as tragic
Thanks to TTS I will refer to the HH as the "Horus Humbug" for the rest of my life.
Isander & Koda mentioned RAAAAH
(One has unparalleled encyclopedic knowledge of 40k lore, the other is baby girl)
ah, so that was why ive constantly seen that badass skull thing in my feed all week
Snaguinous is cool, but I think his burnout could've been represented better.
I love your Twin-Primarch Theory, which I've also been wondering about since I studied up on Omalphagon. When you are done with all the Primarch videos, I would like to hear your thoughts on the Dornian & Lionel Heresy's.
A very cool, very deep episode. Thanks Mr. B.
It's really challenging to write a character that is, canonically, perceived as perfect, and yet is just at the end of the day, fallible but doing his best. I think the Horus Heresy books nailed it with Sanguinius. Such a difficult balance to strike.
Radiation doesn't cause people to mutate in ways a creature isn't genetically deposed to. One could grow extra legs, but not horns. Either the Emperor knew what he was doing, or the warp keeps breaking the rules. I think Tzeentch did it.
Im listening to this after a returned after midnight from a party while walking the dog.
Thank you Connor without you the warhammer space would be less fun :)