One Piece’s “Haki” Problem…
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- What’s up guys, restless gambler here, and in today’s video, I talk about haki and how it’s been handled so far in the series. Make sure to like, subscribe and watch until the end.
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do you think koby used conquerors coating in the latest chapter?
No he didnt. Nothing points to that. I dont even think Koby knows he used conqueror's.
yeah i think he did, but he doesnt know how to control it, like pre time skip luffy, in serious situations or smth like tht
No ,it's advance haki nothing more nothing less,if he wanted to highlight it he would have said or showed the incapacitation zoro had when used advance haki .
Probably no but if oda says yes later we had SOME hints.
@@robertcharrasse4002he doesn't know he just awaken it... that's my idea he never believe in himself but he had to this time because garp believe in him...like Zoro did
Honestly the biggest problem with Haki is mainly in the Manga with it being very difficult to near impossible to tell when a character uses Ryou or advance conquerers or something else
Fax
Ryou doesn't have black lightning or the Kanji associated with black lightning.
Also the fact that it makes it so only a select few ppl can actually make an actual difference in the fights which is kinda weak
@@D_OwoName a Shounen anime that doesn't have that issue?
@@D_Owoit's better than giving it to everyone, only a bird should have which ironically are labeled as pirates other kings .
The battle begins and... Haki needs to be clearer
Conqueror haki=incapacitation or splitting the heavens or author states they have it so oda doesn't
So if oda doesn't highlight that blacklightning is an indicator, you as reader you don't classify it as Conqueror coating etc splitting the sky we have seen four times so we know it is consistent as indicator
Conqueror incapacitation is another indicator that's consistent so he won't have to say all the time
@@powerscallingfiendexcept we have blatant examples like Zoro and Yamato where they don’t split the sky or knock people out
@@kingrippzard2027 that's conqueror coating indicator that's accurate but the other is oda saying it(like kaido)or incapacitation like zoro .
@@powerscallingfiend but then you have Yamato which does neither
@@kingrippzard2027 Yamato definitely has it ,remember kaido thunder bangua is what Yamato uses but it's not on emperor level .
The main issue with haki is just that it’s too vague at times and the art needs more of a distinction. Other than that I think haki is a great power system
honestly I don't think one piece is *that* type of series so I don't mind it being super vague
@@jackalexandebut the Haki is such an important power system in Haki. The only thing that can hurt logia users. So i think its important for it to be distinguished properly between the types of Haki.
@@shikharnegishiggy8752 there hasnt been a main villain logia user since enel
honestly i dont think there has been a logia battle in general since marineford
@@Cherry_zayn and? How does that have to do anything with what I said because there are 3 major logia enemies.
Haki is invisible in world lol
I thought you were gonna talk about haki being repetitive or too strong but I was pleasantly surprised
Devil fruits>>>>>>> though
@@DragonHippo1823Devil fruits are a much better power system, no doubt
@@DragonHippo1823they have better system but haki is still give you the better power ups
@@guilha1506 haki was needed when smoker was introduced
@@DragonHippo1823haki is better power system but it's less vasitile but aligns with the theme or the reason someone getting his stomach ripped off but can fight for hours or zoro blinding to death but still can stand or whitebeard dying standing like those moments are due to those characters kingly wills not devil fruit
The problem is with Oda's writing. He is way more invested in the narrative and the way the plot flows than powerscaling. To him as long as we all know that yonkos for example are stronger than the average commander then it is fine.
For most of the time he plays on ambiguity because it does not limit him too much in case he wants to change stuff later. For example he won't tell us who among the admirals have conqueror even though we know pretty much how most of them fight. Another perfect example would be Mihawk vs Shanks or Zoro vs Sanji(before wano events) like it or not no matter what the fans of both sides argue to me they are pretty much on equal footing .
Oda is just keeping it vague to make his job easier in case he would retcon stuff later. That's just my opinion though.
Nope. The power scaling is consistent. One piece has one of the best power systems and power scalings. It's just that sometimes it can be confusing.
It's not about making it easier, to Oda, the narrative is way more important than the technical power scaling. And it shows: One Piece has way better story than almost every other Shonen past and present. Not saying it's perfect, nor that power scaling is irrelevant.
The reality is that Oda puts most of his mind and complexity in writing the characters personality, backstory, decisions and world building, whether we like it or not.
Wholeheartedly agree. More often than not, the outcome of a fight in one piece makes you ask questions of "why?" and "how?".
Problem? I’d much rather the author focus on story than powerscaling
Zoro is stronger then sanji just like luffy is stronger than zoro. This was never a secret and I don’t know why people continue to think they are equal.
Oda is to inconsistent with all of his haki, mainly observation and conquerors
Conqueror haki indicator =incapacitation or splitting the sky which has Bern shown consistently
Observation I'm not sure if talking about future sight or basic Observation haki ?
@@powerscallingfiend Basic observation, sometimes characters can feel others from very far but other times can’t perceive someone right in front of them. It could also detect intentions but now you have characters being afraid of being betrayed (like bro, just use observation)
@@guilha1506 isn't intent aimed at you ,because the vegapunk that was a trader wasn't around observation users in egghead but yeah the egghead island has me questioning it
Not his fault bros eyes was messed up badly
characters aren’t always gonna have observation activated dude. it drains them instead of using that energy into armament haki to fight. hes not inconsistent
Haki is a great system if you take it for what it really is by translation. Haki means literally Willpower. The greater the willpower the greater the strength. People can inherit or even give others willpower ( keeping a promise aka the strawhat). People who have a goal or DESIRE have the potential for great haki. ( D family)
My headcanon for rn is
Armament clash: small “sparks” looking more like lightening bolts. Imitating the sparks two hard things would typically make if rubber together IRL (multiple parties are necessary)Ex).Sabo vs Burgess
Conq Clash: Lightening bolts and circular shockwave, showing the two opposing wills encompassing the users and pressing against each other
(multiple parties necessary) Ex.)Luffy vs Kat
Adv Conq. Thicker, longer black lightening. It reaches a point where it looks more like rampant Haki just *leaking* . It’s more apparent in movement, because the streaks trace. Doesn’t necessarily cause users fist to turn black, and if it *does* that means they’re using armament as well Ex.) Kamusari and thunder Bagua
The attacks that have black lightening *and* don’t touch, like Roger vs WB and Luffy vs Kaido are *Advance armament AND advance conquerors*
the problem with dummies like you is you somehow dont pay attention to the sfx in the panels before or during an attack that is advanced conquerors. “zzt” or “zap” means that it is conquerors coating. if theres no sfx like that or isn’t stated by someone then its just armament/ryuo
Bro is not finish with what he’s doing
@@Neo-Metal17I deadass forgot 💀
But you see characters using black lightning without having conqueror's haki.
@@justaway6901 armament Haki
honestly i don’t mind it, but it shifted fights from being creative, to simply my will power is stronger than yours.
Luffy using his blood to fight crocodile >>> Gear 4th bodying Doffy just cause Haki beta
@@Takt.mp4what about gear 5 that’s devil fruit
@@DragonHippo1823G5 literally uses constant use of all tree adv hakis to be As buff as it is. Literally Kaido would still own G5's ass if luffy didn’t constanly use adv hakis with it. To put it in perspective even if Luffy had awakened G5 on marineford Luffy still would get Clapped and Ace die, cuz G5 alone isn’t enough of a Power-up to make a difference.
@@DragonHippo1823 Gear 5 is fire and hella creative, I just wish Luffy used it when Kaido was at good/decent health and not after being attacked by Odens crew + Emma + Supernovas etc
@@Takt.mp4 The strength of Gear 4th isn't just "haki", it's the composition of luffy enlarging various body parts for maximum combat capability. Haki just makes it stronger... on top of that. Think of the vulcanization of rubber.
Black lightning seems to accompany strong haki attacks, not only acoc, as seen with clashes that dont have acoc users
The main problem I have is oda making acoc hits(like the one kaido killed luffy with) make contact even though the main characteristic we know about acoc is not making physical contact (which is also confusing because acoa should ALSO be able to hit targets without physical contact)
I just hope it's cleared up later in the story
im sure advance conquerors wont make physical contact if its combined with advanced armament kaido basically can hit luffy physically but since luffy learned both hes able to not physically touch him
I'm pretty sure it's not stated anywhere that the advanced application of conquerors haki isn't meant to make contact.
@@shay_3859 well considering both times characters reacted to someone using acoc (oden to roger and wb, law to luffy), they both mentioned the fact that they weren't touching, I would say that's supposed to be one of the indicators that acoc is being used
@@immortalRob8791 I'm also pretty sure that we both know that is headcanon right? Which means it's not *stated* or shown to be the case consistently throughout the manga.
@@shay_3859 Ok, so I'm going to assume you're stupid, so I can explain this really easily
Yea, it's not stated anywhere
It can't be shown consistently if it's not shown enough
The whole point is that there aren't enough defining traits of acoc to separate it from acoa, the most we've gotten are characters stating that they're using acoc, and when kaido stated luffy was using it, his attacks were able to damage him without contact
Assuming IF he was using a combined version of acoa and acoc, the reader wouldn't know that
Part of me kinda likes how vague haki is sometimes, it gives the power a sense of mystery that can keep you guessing but it's rules are just concrete enough for it to work. Though I do agree that it could be a little more clear when it's being used
Another problem is : People use that goddamn phrase by Kaidou every time they want to push their agendas. They also underestimate Akuma no Mi powers mostly because of that damn phrase.
exactly, people treat whatever kaido says like its the bible of OP powerscaling, when he literally got defeated in a haki focused battle after trying to school the person he lost to about haki 💀
Nobody’s underestimating anything. The only argument is that haki will always be an avenue to overcome any opponent. That’s the nature of it, and people hate it for some reason.
i forgot about that damn
No agenda 😂it’s simply a fact a strong devil fruit power can be overcome by strong haki
@@ReyReyzzzthat's the point? That in the end it wasn't Luffy's devil fruit that pushed him over the age but Haki. Devilfuit powers can only be overcome by Haki and Haki can only be overcome by Haki. Devil fruits may determine your floor (it could be an extremely high floor) but Haki is what determines your ceiling.
whoever genuinely is out there trying to convince people that Sanji doesn't have haki and has never used it till this point is either is extremely slow in the head, or just trolling 💀
they mean the black coating specifically but even that is so stupid
They also can’t use their eyes because Sanji has been seen using the black coating before
I think even Big Mom can use fs! She literally foresaw Zoro's dangerous attack and warns Kaido to dodge. Sure, she relies on Katakuri's FS on WCI, but it doesn't mean she can't use it herself. It only means that Kat is more proficient at it.
It's also possible that Kat learned it from Big Mom herself.
@@mstr293yeah, like who else will teach Katakuri haki? Besides big mom herself
FS?? that word definitely doesn't mean observation haki.
@@jaxthejaximus6296 future sight
@mstr293 Kay uses it 24/7. Or whenever he's on guard duty. Probably only in a weaker less detailed form.
I think the confusion with future sight comes from early regular observation haki is basically future sight as the people that used it could easily dodge attacks as though they could see into the future which is confusing as surely regular observation wouldn't do much if you can already see the person. E.g. ash in skypeia and boa sisters.
Nope. Regular Observation Haki is only used in combat. Future Sight is about seeing future event/s. And of course one can apply it to seeing what the opponent can do in advance.
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Conquerors during a battle emits black lightning, but conquerors coating vs conquerors coating won't touch. They usually coat their attack in conquerors coating, not the rest of the body which explains why 2 characters with conquerors coating can still hit each other
Strong armament has always shown lightning. Kanji indicates enhanced abilities if you pay attention…
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I really wish coated Conqueror's Haki has some sort of special effect to be distinguished.
For example, we can tell advanced armament Haki from normal one by seeing if it's contact or not.
This also makes coated Conqueror's Haki seems not so special
It’s a major attack buff so it does seem kinda special. Now it does not seem distinctive at all which is a problem.
@@adnwzhreOda should use some kinda symbol to conform it's advanced conquerors Haki.
black, lightning. there you go
@@BossWolfHomieG Now if only black lightning wasn't also used for armament.
@@dreamz1417 its not, if theres black lightning when armament is clashing, one of the users have conquerors, when they are using it actively black lightning sparks off of their fist or whatever their going to attack with, in the anime it can very dpending on the arc and animator, like in derossa luffy and chinjao clashing in the anime didnt have the black lightning but with doffy there was, and if only one has it you usually see it emanate in a direction to help, however conquerors infusion is more clear, in the anime is golden aura, and usually radiates.
if sanji aint using armament then that just supports the agenda he is that good to be taking on yonko commanders without haki💀
In his fight with queen he mentions he trains his haki
that's why he's THE GOAT THE GOAT
@@dariuswilliams7509 yup but for the zorotards we'll just say he wasnt
He literally tells Black Maria that he won't use his coating cause it would hurt Her. Say whatever you like about her but Maria is still a top 10 in a Yonko crew...
Few mins in and I realized you’re using a beat I rapped on a few years ago😂 I was like what’s this nostalgia 😂😂
The battleship bags revealed, at least to me, that raw strength is just as important as haki, if not more. Koby trained his fists till they were a bloody mess, ever day, going even further beyond Garp's training. IMO Koby is doing this with basic armament alone.
Pizarro is not like Pica. I Know this is a joke in the community, but Pizarro has some serious damage resistance. Just look at the hit he took from Garp, and then put Pica in his place. Pica is getting shattered. Pizarro just took a Galaxy Divide. A move meant to cut straight through the target. Garp's, old powerful dude, final attack. And Pizarro still didn't shatter. But Koby's Honesty Impact just completely slices Pizarro's arm in half? It's almost like Koby just stole Garp's move, and did it better, with basic freakin' armament. I didn't see any big haki bolts, so it's obvious he isn't using much haki here. It's just impressive, any way you look at it. Is Koby pushing prime Garp territory without crazy haki? Is that what Oda is trying to say? I think so.
And I think this changes things. I don't think Kuzan needs advanced haki to clash with Garp. He trained on those bags too. He too might be pushing, at least current Garp levels. He has to be hella strong to fight with Akainu as long as he did. The battleship bags were so prominently highlighted, it gives me the impression that Oda is using Garp's training to bring us back to basics. We've gotten so much of this new power system in haki, that we've forgotten the original power system of One Piece. Raw physical strength.
I think we've been associating haki with strength for so long that we kinda equate the two. Dorry and Broggy's combo attacks, both of them, are some of the most impressive attacks in the series, and I didn't see no haki.
I can't find another way to describe such a good arguments based on facts.
the thing is it could also be advance armament (ryuo) because not only the punch went reach really far destroying the arm complety but it also hit the head. haki is a invisible armor around your black fist like higomoro said and ryuo is lauching that invisible armor to other objects destroying then from the inside. since coby punch did a shockwave and reach so far complety obliterating pizzaro arm i would be incline to say is ryuo since normal haki would have reach as far as is head since coby didnt went foward while punching
actually there was haki bolts. Black lightning which has been shown with CoC. Its in this chapter, page 15, the panel where Coby is readying his punch, you can see two small bolts around his fist
@@GuitarManFromJupiter bolt lightning was also shown coming out of ulti head when she went to headbut luffy, and she doenst have coc, same for jinbei he had black bolts while punching whos who and he doenst have coc. Haki bolts doesnt mean its coc, just means its a strong haki attack incoming. I love one piece but theres so problems with haki, its hard to know when exactly each type is being used (armament)
@tomasguilherme263 holy shit, you are right. My bad. I completely forgot about those two times. Even when you Google black lightning in One Piece (which I did because I didn't want this to happen lol) it says it is for conquerors haki and clashes between them. Yeah nvm, thats my b, could just be strong armament haki then?
I believe the auras are an anime touch, correct me if I’m wrong. But Oda is more focused on the overall story and has even admitted to not drawing things as accurately as he should. Like how black lightning is not an indication of Conquerors Haki like most would think.
The manga also has auras, it's just that people don't pay attention to them because they're not as colorful as in the anime (they're all white) so it kinda blends with the background.
@@tale7955? What are you talking about
@@m7mad182 Is it that hard to read?
Now just imagine if Oda had decided to never add color to haki. Remember, it’s supposed to be entirely invisible and color is only added for the readers benefit. Yet even with that look at where we are.
I think Oda wants to keep the artistic expression of haki minimalistic because he doesn’t want it to become like DBZ energy power ups where they just have auras flowing from them constantly. Haki is not energy. It is literally the manifestation of the users will, but it’s not intended to be literal energy, thus it takes no physical form.
But manga and anime are visual mediums. So haki has to be visually depicted somehow and we are out of universe just supposed to know it’s invisible.
I personally would’ve given armament and conquerors different colors entirely (say armament red, conquerors blue) and different consistencies (armament smooth, conquerors lightning like or jagged and erratic).
Additionally, I’d make it so that seeing haki is a basic power of observation haki, giving an in universe explanation for why there’s a visual representation of it when it’s supposed to be invisible and also being able to use that in combat situations.
Observation haki also has its issues with people who should have it or actively using it not having the red glint in their eyes. I would probably have observation hakis visual representation be more refined than just a red glint.
Nice one. This was really amazing. If u know Mr. Morj, he also recently posted a video on this matter about conqueror's haki. And i really liked how u went to the marineford flashback, that was a good recon point. Also do u understand kanji? Since i dont its really hard to understand what is written but anyway the haki point was clear n i agree you point.
I have been thinking of this a long time ago, I thought I was the only one. Haki have become so complex now, it makes the story and the fights confusing
I haven't watched through the video yet but I think another issue with Haki is how it has been used (or rather not used) recently in important fights. For example, in Wano during the BM fight with Kidd and Law, there were very few instances where we saw BM actually use her Coc Haki (if she used it at all) and we as readers know how much that would have shifted the tides of the fight. Furthermore, with other fights like Kaido or King unless it is inherently shown, we primarily have to assume when they are using different variations of Haki like Advanced Observation. Another comment pointed it out well, but it definitely correlates with Oda's writing style, which is less focused on power scaling and the many intricacies that go into high-level fights. Sometimes I just don't understand why high-level fighters like Luffy with coc wouldn't use it off-rip in most battles they fight if they have mastery of it.
Arlong blue haki vs Blackbeard off screen haki
Idk man I think blackbeards offscreen haki wins no diff
good video u made me realize admirals have both acoa and acoo, i knew they had acoa but i didn't knew they had acoo too, good point u made in your video
NGL thought I was subbed, anyway you got a new sub
Honestly the haki depiction in wano is entirely the choice of the animation studio. Oda doesnt really do them in the manga and haki is a much more grounded thing. But it does need to be clearer how it works and what type people use
Yeah the problem is it’s hard to tell when a character is using a conquerors coating or not just from the manga panel, and then you also have agenda pushers
The only way to know ,is via splitting the sky or oda highlighting it ,so if he doesn't talk about the is no conqueror haki .
@@powerscallingfiendThat's bullshit because with this logic you would be disregarding Zoro, Garp and Yamato which we know 100% have COC haki
its actually not just use logic
@@dreamcastdazia4753 those fall under oda highlighting it, except garp who isn't 100%
Lowkey I wanna see you do more JJK content in general.
Some readers has pointed this out since the start of the timeskip over 10 years ago and not because of auras or lightning sparks but becaue it takes away the creativity on devil fruit vs devil fruit powers.
These are not "Lightning Kanji", these are onomatopeias for the sound of lightning written in Katakana. As almost all regular soundeffects are written in Katakana. Soundeffects are also not always present in Manga.
everytime a character uses acoc there is a “zzt” or “zap” sfx. this has been very consistent and dont see it stopping. if there isnt it will be stated by someone
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Haki should have been treated as a base power source like chakra or ki. There shouldn't be different categories of haki, only different kinds of applications of Haki that take different levels of skill to implement.
You and Mr Morj spreading the truth on haki is cool. You guys really help give the community a couple more brain cells
right!!
Mr Morj is the biggest clown of them all after his "the raid is gonna fail" Bs.
@@mamory3791 haha yeah, he’s definitely better at narrative analysis than theories. I’d argue the bigger clowns are agenda piece, and then the biggest being the people who spoil through thumbnails.
@@insertclickbait3966 Can't say you are wrong there.
Haki might be confusing and allat but it definitely makes the fight cooler
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I’ve heard theory’s of luffy being able to use haki during alabaster which is why he could hit crocodile. But we couldn’t see it since it doesn’t actually have a form in verse.
Nono, Luffy was using his own blood to be able to hit Crocodile. Since it’s a liquid it would counter his devil fruit.
@@adnwzhre I understand that, the theory states that he had haki which helped him hit a logia, since haki is derived from willpower and luffy has hella willpower.
@@adnwzhreYeah, he used his blood as a faux Haki. It worked really well too due to Croc's unique devil fruit being affected by all forms of moisture.👍👍👍
no haki involved, just moisture, haki being involved would just be redundant especially since crocodile was said to be introduced too early to the story, so having him there with no haki but having luffy with it wouldnt make much sense
@@BossWolfHomieG yeah that why it’s a theory, since there is not much evidence to back it up but it’s an interesting thought. Plus we know oda had a plan for it since the beginning of the series since shanks used it in chapter 1, and all the top tiers were using it at marineford before it was properly explained.
I never noticed the admirals used advanced forms of haki but I’d expect them to have it thank you for showing me that’s neat as shit.
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also great video the only reason i think koby is using conquerors is because he matched garps feat. But its very confusing. Advanced haki is what makes this confusing tbh. But u said something about kanji in ur last video, that actually seems consistent
The timeskip starts, and devil fruits become usless
What oda should have done genius ? Most logias have no weakness and luffy fruit at the start is basically rubber so wtf can rubber do against fire 😂like haki made possible to write fights Similar to luffy fruit oda reduced it to rubber,imagine if gave luffy his abilities at the start ,it would ruin the fights .
@@powerscallingfiend you understand what I'm saying
@@snoididk the df didn't become useless, the df users that depended on it become useless .
Only those devil fruit users who rely on their devil fruit becomes useless in the new world.
@@yvesnerona13someone who knows one piece! Even oda highlighted that but guys don't watch or read carefully
When it comes to the the, when does a character use Armament Haki or Advanced Conquerors Haki? For me, it's pretty simple. Upon impact there is huge thick black lightning with ACoc. We see this with all of Garps ACoc attacks. There is also kanji on the windup. Like Garp had before he did Galaxy Divide, as well as other characters like Luffy, Zoro, Kaido, Yamato. Meanwhile Koby didn't have either the big thick lightning upon impact nor the kanji on the windup. To me he used very impressive Armament Haki. And for it to be that destructive, it was probably advanced. So for instance the Katakuri vs Luffy fist clash, you showed is pure Armament Haki, with thin black lightning. When it comes to the entire Advanced Conquerors Haki allows you to not touch, I think that Law said it because he has never seen it before. But it's actually Advanced Armament Haki. Both Luffy and Kaido have it. And when Oden said it, I think he meant it to hype up the fact that Roger and WB haven't even touched and are doing that much damage. Because obviously, Oden knows Ryou. And looking back at Marineford, I think it's pretty clear that the Admirals used Advanced Armament Haki(all three) and Akainu and Aokiji used future sight. Honestly, I do believe that most of these problems are just based on agenda. I love the Yonko more than the Admirals, but there are definitely people out there, who don't want to give the Admirals anything, when it comes to Haki, just to downplay them. Because if they do their agenda falls part and they don't want to backtrack. And if Aokiji does have Advanced Conquerors? I'll wait for the anime on that. When they punched each other the lightning goes into all directions, not just one. Like both did it, but the angle makes it seem weird. And, I mean I think Akainu has it, so Aokiji having it makes sense if they fought for 10 days. Or maybe they got a Haki bloom from their battle and learnt how to use it.
What exactly is this "Kanji"???
@@redeyexxx1841 You can see it on the panel, where Garp prepares to do Galaxy Divide. Where he winds up his fist. Meanwhile Koby doesn't have it before the Honesty impact panel. It's also present on the panel, where Zoro does Dragon Damnation, when Yamato is about to use Advanced Conquerors Haki (I think before her Bagua clash with Kaido) And Luffy and Kaido also have it. Maybe it's a kanji for a specific sound or Oda just uses it as an indicator for when a character uses Advanced Conquerors Haki. But I'm not 100% on it. I would need to go back and check every panel, when someone uses ACoc.
@cakes1166 Well, if you use Advanced Armament Haki and Advanced Conquerors Haki at the same time, then he wouldn't be touching Kaido, while infusing Conquerors Haki. But maybe you can also chose to do it that way. Idk, it's weird. That's is probably the biggest thing that bothers me.
@@nikjovan4816 Okay so I went back to the Manga and when he makes the first there's some Japanese text like symbols emerging. So is that what you call Kanji??
@@nikjovan4816 Now I re-read 1080 and Garp's Galaxy Impact have some symbols as well.
Haki system is like the most interesting but mostly inconsistent
This was a really good video bringing up the issues with the system. Especially with how the chapters have been recently I’m sure eventually though, it will be answered in SBS for certain characters.
Although I do believe that the Admirals had future sight usage in MF, why can’t them being having a speed advantage and good basic observation haki be enough to reform their body to dodge the attacks? If Aokiji manages to reform his body around let’s say a (Pre Ts Luffy) it doesn’t have to necessarily be future sight in all cases due to the already obvious speed gap.
Aokiji did that against Whitebeard.
That maybe works for Kizaru, since he's light boi. But for the others you also have to consider that it takes actual time for their bodies to change since Ice and Magma are physical substances that still have to obey basic physics (well, One Piece physics at least). It would be a bit of a stretch to assume that their reactions are good enough to observe, react and then reshape their bodies in the time it takes a character like Vista or Marco to follow through an attack.
@@Paul-bs5wl Aokiji did that against Whitebeard...
To be fair, CC(coating) and just regular CH(Haki) is ere always iffy but I will say, CH can be present without CC and the lightning will usually still be there post time skip. Koby is using CH and maybe innately CC to a SMALL effect.
When a manga/ anime starts power creeping and "plot armor haki" ... its all over!
bro i was the exact same when i saw purgatory onigiri from cruncyroll clips in my recommended i was like"holy shit is this one piece???" and thats how i started one piece. the problem with haki rn is toei using funny auras that dont line up with oda's vision
Bros losing his mind it’s ok
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i think personally garps galaxy impact is a use of near perfect conquerors coating with a ryou haki expulsion at the end, and KOBY'S is a use of Ryou haki being expelled from a limited conquerors coating, as his attack seems to blast outward from him much further than garps.
but hey maybe thats just me and my friend group but thats what we all assumed upon reading the chapter.
i just figured out while watching the video that sanji should have future sight considered to the video because in lastest chapters sanji was stunned by saturn aura and then he just standes up and blocked kizaru's laser beam so it does mean one of two either sanji way faster than light so he was able to free him self from saturn aura and then go and block this light speed beam in the exact place its going to or he have future sight so he moved before kizaru attack and blocked the attack it can't be explained aother ways
Oda could definitely do a better job at being clearer with haki but conquerors coating i never found to have a problem identifying. Bigger black lightning and Kanji means conq coating. Especially the Kanji part, no Kanji = no coating. And if its in the anime then its super clear as they literally show you it with auras.
Future sight to me is the same deal. In the anime they make it clear when theyre using it so i just look at the anime version of one piece to know for sure.
And for oda seemingly forgetting haki exist and just not showing it on Sanji its just invisible haki. Theres been a metric ton of examples of invisible haki throughout all of the timeskip. Tashigi cutting Monet with no black haki. Vergo punching and kicking Smoker away without black haki. Or how about Oda literally telling you it exist? Rayleigh as we know hit luffy over the head with a club while training. Luffy is rubber, this club should be doing nothing. Now thats already solid evidence but what Rayleigh says a moment later confirms it. Rayleigh hit him again this time with black haki this time and then says "AND THATS HAKI TOO"
The only times ive doubted Haki are in marineford with the admirals. Specifically Aokiji. He blatantly jumped directly infront of WB. He easily couldve just reacted to WB especially considering how slow hes gotten. For Akainu theres more solid ground though as it was a sneak attack iirc so you cant argue it was just reaction time.
COATING COATING CONQUERORS HAKI BRRRR BRRRRRRRR
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Best Guy Ever is just a Fortune Teller at this point
i like to think i get a grasp on a lot of haki usage and what class or how they’re using it but that shit be confusing sometimes i was scratching my head at the latest chapter, i think oda just used black lightning for storm haki showings of CONQ in general not just advanced
All of those things always seemed so insignificant to me personally, I get that it obviously is a bit confusing sometimes but it's still nothing that you can't figure out yourselves.
The Koby thing is probably the only time where I can actually somewhat understand the confusion tho
Agree
I mean anyone who think Koby uses AArmament instead of Acoc is reaching. Are you really saying that given all that destructive power almost comparable to what garp did with his galaxy impact if not more was just an Advance armament? It's literally showing the future of the marines doing he's everything same as when zoro manage to use COC when attacking kaido with everthing he got to protect his captain.
And people seem to also forgot the flame-like marking of haki that Big Mom used once (similar to the one seen in Gear 4)
It happens when you don't think a power system through in its entirety.
I think its a limitation of the medium then clarity as differentiating between armament and conquers would be a struggle until otherwise stated
As somebody is watched the anime first before catching up on the manga (a few months back), it's hard to know when a character is using haki at all because of all the colors. I just go along with it either way though.
They need to add like outlines or a CE like flow around the bodypart using haki and make effects different normal hak attacks could have black lightning and supreme king haki attacks could use flowing lines or a more distinct pattern
I thinkit was said somewhere that black sparks come out when two conquer's haki clash, coating doesn't matter.
The real problem is that Big News Morgans isn't touching on this subject properly (or at all). It's been said that he hasn't reported on these power systems because he's waiting for a slow news drought. And let's be honest, Morgans is the goat so it's never going to happen. The way he punched that cipher poll agent definitely tells us he has future sight and armament (possibly Ryou since i remember a petal being onscreen), I just don't know why he would keep it hidden.
These are very valid criticisms. But sometimes i think the vagueness makes one piece better, as it allows for these conversations and force people to question what certain characters of capable of
Something oda should have done with advanced coc coating could be a normal looking armament fist with a lot of lighting on it and the persons aura colours on it could solve a lot of problems it might even look cool
You got meh to subscribe,I’m glad some one is finally addressing the haki inconsistency without being bias, it was really bad in the anime of the dressrosa Arc
It’s foolish to not assume the admirals don’t have advanced haki because they are the strongest and top position in the army
bruh ive been watching op for 20 years and its still pretty clear what haki is its not rocket sciene , its already stated that every vice admiral has haki, already proven that haki can be manipulated.people can use haki on their weapon like arrows guns sword.the serie is long people miss alot of explanations . how was it bad in dressrosa it had the best Observation haki potrayal. fujitora and ussop coming to mind
"Baby conquerors coating"😂
the vagueness comes more from a character being a good narrative candidate for such powers--if that makes sense. take a look at koby, people a split on it because in all honesty, koby does seem like a character who will develop/discover he has such powers. after all he's the navy counterpart of luffy and this generation's garp. if he doesn't have conq, it'd be pretty odd. but at the same time, the imagery doesn't match up with prior acoc usage we've seen, so it's possible that he doesn't have it--yet at least. same applies for aokiji.
6:00 snaji did use black coating haki, against vergo. But bro is onto something 💯
I try not to think about that too much since all haki is supposed to be invisible anyways.
Oda needed to do more to differentiante Arm. Haki from Conq. Coating. Like maybe show one as rings or swirls, rounded edges, and the other as lightning with jagged, sharp edges. So there's no confusion which is which.
I also have a issue with it being staed that conquerors haki is very rare....yet so many main pwoerful characters already or arr bound to have it which leads to my next issue of how muchi haki you have being the end all be all of who wins a fight apparently
This reminds me of the SSJ and ask 2 confusion with Lightning aura
I think the main problem is that a lot of readers try to read to much into things and find contradictions that really don't need to be there if you don't look at the story from a purely power-scaling perspective. Coby calling his attack "honesty impact" does not in and of itself imply he is using conquerors at that particular moment. He calls it impact because he inherited Garps will, and gives it his own twist with the "honesty" because that's his honor code as a marine. But Coby has proclaimed his will to become an admiral, that is conquerors level haki ambitions so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Coby ends up having it later down the line. Wano has made it clear that true power blossoms in the midst of danger, and for Coby this was such a do-or-die moment and his power blossomed. When it comes to Sanji it's just stupid to say he doesn't have armament, his nickname is literally BLACK LEG sanji. He usually wearss a black suit so his legs are black. And here too you see the inherited will of "Red Leg" Zeff in Sanji's nickname. The nicknames and attack names aren't meant to be interpreted solely as a means of fucking powerscaling, it's part of the entire story narrative.
Ok FINE you got me, I'll subscribe
Oda literally also said that you have to be a haki user in order to become a rear/vice admiral i believe
about the clash between katakuri and luffy: the black lightnings is a visualization of two Conqueror's Haki USERS clashing with each other it doesn't matter if their body is coated with conquerors haki
Advanced armament would look cooler if they used the same 'lensing' effect around their arms that black holes have.
The conquerer coating is represented by the knaji alongside the effect of impact, ex: kaido's, luffy's and garp's attacks all have the conquerer coating kanji, but coby's honesty impact does not, so coby dont have conquerer coating but the others have.
answer: black lightning and usually the kanji associated with it, comparing it to other situations clears it up for the most part
They should’ve introduced conquerors coating during the 2 year time skip with mihawk or with reyliegh or both
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i think the black lightning is just that anime animation getting better. if gear 2nd was done now, it will have the black lightning too not just steam
Nice video
wait would future sight cancel other future sight because one person had seen the future and changed to accomodate for it but then they see that that changes...?
Advanced conquerors looks similar to armament bevause you are just amping armament with advanced conquerors.
That's why Luffy learned Ryou before figuring out how to combine Ryou with conquerors haki.
Fr, W vid. The yonko fans, mostly Kaido fans like saying that Kaido mid diffs all the admirals at the same time because they don’t have any advanced haki which is just not true. Also, I didn’t even know people thought that sanji didn’t have armament.
It’s the fact that black lightning being aqc is literally head cannon, there is nothing stating that black lightning is aqc, there’s been multiple times black lightning has appeared from straw hats that don’t have conquers haki at all let alone any other type of haki
I think something to take into account tho, about the comparison between Katakuri and Akainu, is that Katakuri isn't a Logia user, but rather a special paramecia (whatever the fuck that means ofc). So I think ultimately it's different, not that I could tell you how tho.
I felt like the aura mainly came due to enma (which of course uses haki)