Power Creep In One Piece…
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2023
- What’s up guys, Restless Gambler here, and in today’s video, we talk about power creep in one piece. What is it and what does it have to do with our beloved series? Go ahead and like and sub if you find this video enjoying, and i’ll catch y’all in the next one.
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do you think doffy or katakuri can hang with more recent antagonists?
Both are Queen victims
No and No 😭
@@morifutai1916Facts
Doffy????
doffy getting that impel down powerup that crocodile got. If we’re being real, Doffy was cracked when the furthest point we were at was dressrosa, i feel like when Doffy breaks out/is broken out, he will be even more of a menace
Lucci came back stronger and so did Crocodile. If Doffy and Katakuri return, they will be stronger as well. That’s just how Oda writes his story and anybody paying attention already knows that. Oda does not care about powerscaling the same way some fans do.
Lucci and kaku came back and were both fodder compared to luffy and zoro
@@kingsmokey2652 yeah but at the same time luffy is yonko level and zoro is yonko commander level
@@jackalexande Wow almost sounds like Oda gave them reasonable powerups given the time that had passed, but realized that Luffy and Zoro should be stronger given the current level of power they were at. Almost like he... powerscaled.
People get stronger over time. Especially with the introduction of "haki bloom" then all these villains who had close fights but survived alright should be stronger (at least if they have haki, assuming there is no limit to the bloom). And that's ignoring the fact they could train to get stronger (which someone who lost a fight might want to do).
terrible choice using lucci for that point, he got folded with little effort.
My biggest problem with OP powerscaling discussion is how people really don't take skillsets and ability matchups into account. A lot of people scale linearly like it's Dragon Ball, despite the fact powers and fighting styles are way more varied in OP than Dragon Ball.
A fight between Katakuri and King for example would go completely differently than the fight between King and Zoro did, because Katakuri has a DF awakening that allows him to not only transform his environment into mochi that he controls, but that he can also travel through. That gives him an entire new dimension of combat that Zoro could never access, and we don't know how King would respond to that given what we saw in his fight against Zoro. It doesn't make sense to scale OP characters as if they all have identical powers, esp when you have matchups where one character can entirely nerf another purely thanks to their abilities, skills or even personality traits (ie Enel vs Luffy, Mr 3 counter to Magellan, liquid nerfing Crocodile, Usopp vs Perona etc etc).
Imo, there's no better example than Kid and Law vs Big Mom. They were not and are not on her level, but they used their abilities in tandem to weaken her enough that she could be effectively removed from combat, therefore coming away with the victory. It was all thanks to matchups and utilizing their powers to best fit the situation, not a DB style "brute force till i win" scenario.
Facts! i agree with this 100% i love power scaling debates in one piece due to my love for the fandom, however, at the same time people make up these weird head canon scenarios that don't make any sense when you dissect it such as you did. OP doesn't have a one-to-one system of power. MATCHUPS MATTER!
@@Boosto I have been saying this for years now. While there is an element of strength to the point where you can say one character is stronger than another, at the end of the day, matchups matter
agreed, people really believe one piece is a one dimensional cookie cutter shounen where matchups dont matter
I agree with this apart from DB being a brute force till i win sort of show, there’s more strategy than one piece thats for sure.
i agree its like zoro is usually put up against swordsmen and sanji fights more fighter class people its like rock paper scissors but a strong enough rock can beat a weaker paper if there on the same level then paper would win
In the case of Ulti, luffy challenged her at something she was kinda built for.
she had more leverage and shit, luffy would low diff her with gear 4, but yknow.
@kleboldklesold imo it was moreso a fact that Luffy's power ups had been moreso with speed and striking power. A grapple from Ulti factors in none of that once she had him. G4 would have given him the raw strength boost he needed to break free. That's why he wanted to use G4 there
Plus zoans are known for their strength
@@Interlink.And later we know Luffy is myth zoan
@kleboldklesold the point is that base luffy at that point was stronger then the gear 4th luffy vs katakrui so him needed gear 4th at that moment makes her stronger then kata
I got the impression that Luffy just wanted to blitz through obstacles and not waste any time with anyone that wasn't Kaido and just corrected his thinking by realising he would need Gear 4 to do that with Kaido's strongest crew mates
Yeah, thinking that means ulti is Stronger than katakuri is weird. Luffy always considered katakuri a menace, he didn't even think about Ulti and thus he was surprised by her power.
@@javigd96 ☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽
@@javigd96 tbh, the Tobiroppo are slightly below commander level. Luffy uses Gear 4 against commander level opponents like Cracker and Katakuri. It's implying Ulti is close to the same league of power where it requires G4, but not quite stronger.
@@YightLagamiluffy in base is enough for all commanders now. He doesn’t need to transform did y’all miss the point of the video
We got the point but we disagree. One piece’s power scaling isn’t that linear.
So this Sanji fanboy spreading misinformation and taking things out of context to push his false narrative once again, just like in his Sanji vs Katakuri video, 6:00 Kaido says good job on not letting the same attack hit you head on twice not that fake translation you put, the reason Luffy got one shot in act 1 because he saw his weak crew die to Kaido and lost his mind which means he's enraged and can't use future sight but on the roof he was calm and used it and dodged the same attack, not the other way around that you're trying to say Luffy got faster by training his armament in Udon prison?? Reading shouldn't be this hard. Ulti scaling is just trash because we saw Page one who is the same level as Ulti getting one shot by Luffy, get your facts right before blaming Oda because of your delusional headcanon
About the power creep, One Piece is not Dragon Ball, everyone in Wano got power crept by the characters that unlocked advanced conqueror the rest of the characters DID NOT power creep the previous characters especially Katakuri who is already considered one of the strongest by Rayleigh because of his Acoo just like people with Acoc
The reason why this video is terrible because you maybe forgot that Perospero was portrayed as an equal to Jack who is stronger than Ulti and the rest of theTobi Roppo, Perospero is not even a sweet commander even Snack who was that latest sweet commander is above him, so if we got by the power creeping logic we have
perospero = Jack
Snack = Queen
Cracker = King
Smoothie > King
Katakuri >> Smoothie > King.
cope
Who's Katakuri?
Bro 😂 King whooping cracker ass he’s literally the most durable person that not Kaido or Big Mom.
@@zombathinlostleghackercat5233a guy who lost to whole cake island luffy
cry
So your problem isn’t with how Oda writes power creep into the story, but how fans, who have nothing to do with it, falsely interpret power rankings…
@@ert8968 Wow, cool essay, dude. Did you not watch the video or not understand my comment? I wasn't asking for your thesis statement, but props to you for owning everybody with your giga brain One Piece take, they should hire you to write it
@@GODHAND42
I did Not understand your comment.
I think the Message of the Video is:
Oda Made a weird Power creep->
Fans dont understand it-> Fans make weird and wrong Power scaling
A big part of the job of an author is to potray the message to your audience.If you portray it weirdly so your audience doesn't get it,it is your failing.
maybe you should stop to think about why fans would interpret the story a certain way
@@amogus1415it's not like any other shonen
Rob Lucci found this out the hard way😔
Blud didn't even hit Luffy at all
@@wilfridekoue1405 he hit him multiple times actually
@@criseancurry888 No he didn't at all I even have proof right here called Chapter 1069-1070 and if you still don't believe it then get help
@@criseancurry888no no he did not he didn't land a single hit on luffy😂
i think the issue with ulti > katakuri is because luffy was being an idiot and didn't take her seriously. He didn't want to lose when he was so close to kaido after taking that first L. So he panicked a bit, which is fair given the stakes. We saw how much he cares about the people close to him and doesn't want a repeat of sabaody. If he lost then everything would fall apart and this time he's aware of that. At least thats what i think.
Basically. One adv armament punch should've been more than enough really
Yeah, that's where the contention lies. I personally don't care much for Katakuri, it's really the tobbi roppo and low tier strawhats getting scaled over Post WCI Luffy that I have an issue with. I don't buy the idea that people like Base Robin, Usopp, Franky, and Pre Zeus Nami are all of a suddenly > Pre Udon Luffy
I understand that Shonen have progressive scales, but massive claims like that require solid evidence.
Last time we saw Franky he was boxing with Senior Pink so I don't believe he got some massive unspecified power up that made him > ACT1 Boundman before his fight with Sasaki who he mid diffed with a Radical Beam without general Franky.
Same thing with Base Robin, she was previously dropped by Trebol, Doffy's right hand man, and didn't have any major fights until Black Maria.
So I don't know where people get the idea that they can all of a suddenly pack up Cracker, Doffy, WCI G4 Luffy, and Katakuri with no direct feats or scaling to support such a leap. This would literally imply that Post WCI Luffy was fodder to his whole crew 😅
Y’all are forgetting what the creator brang up, Luffy himself stated that he was underestimating Ulti and the others.
If base Luffy by that point in the story > Katakuri, and Luffy states that to fight Ulti in base would be underestimating her, that wouldnt even just imply that would outright mean Ulti > Katakuri
@@150Hello your agenda is showing. cope
@@sarthakarora3212 What agenda?
people give doffy the sauce because he was a major arc villain not really because of anything else, i agree katakuri is above bae ulti , the issue for that mainly comes from G4 like you pointed out but in actuality it was the zoans in general being incredible tanks and physically monsters. that was the true highlight of the entire exchange between ulti and luffy.
hit the nail on the head, ulti is just a tank thats really it
@@bloxer9563Yes, but it's if katakuri can handle that level of tankiness. I think not.😂😂😂
And she managed to hurt a luffy who is way more tanky than the luffy that fought katakuri, so she got some damage too
Ulti>katakuri cope
@@akadenanderson3283 Katakuri speedblitzes traps and fodderizes ulti with his awakening, doesnt matter if shes a tank or not.
People often forget how character match up against others, and think just because y or x a character is stronger, ulti has durability, endurance and physical strength in advantage(ps is debatable), katakuri has everything else.
@@akadenanderson3283Katakuri has shit durability(like Cracker who got one shoted by Tankman's enermous belly)
the man was giving Luffy hundreds of punches and lost from dozens
It's like Big Mom's top commanders rely more on speed, reaction or tricks rather than durability
even Perospero has greater durability
I always liked One Piece’s power creep because it’s very slow and methodical. Plus Oda juggles a lot of different forces from the emperors to the admirals to the Yonkou commanders to the warlords to the special government agencies like CP9 and CP0 and does an insanely consistent and decent job considering all the forces he’s working with. Meanwhile Dragonball has Roshi being a moon buster in literally the second arc.
There's a difference between a multiverse scale manga and an island level style manga
OG Dragon Ball was kinda a gag manga, but there's nothing wrong with being a moon buster so long as it's consistent.
Also in DB the moon is different than in real life I think, as earlier Goku went to the moon with those other villains using his pole iirc
How is it slow? Are you reading a different series or haven't gotten to post timeskip yet?
To be fair about your statement regardiong Dragonball you forgot to provide important context to Roshi busting the moon. By the time Goku met him he'd already been alive for what centuries now? There was a bit in OG Dragon Ball where Roshi was much stronger than Goku so seeing him bust a moon is not outta nowhere he's been around for awhile and for a long time was the ''strongest on earth'' so its easier to digest with old man Roshi
It’s not slow at all. You’re copping. He went from Doffy to Kaido in less than a couple months
Oda has been known to throw scaling out the window for the narrative, but imo he’s handled power creep abt as well as a story-driven battle manga could have
Imo oda is right to prioritize narrative over powerscaling, esp when it comes to specific metrics. The exact feats being super congruent is really not that important. He does a solid job keeping the general tiers of power relative to one another, which counts for more than making sure Sanji's speed feats perfectly line up, yknow?
@@schnozchan6606 Oh yeah, I’m not saying this to slight Oda, One Piece is my favorite piece of fiction. And I do very much agree with the sentiment of narrative > powerscaling, we’d just be remissed to say Oda hasn’t gone a bit crazy sometimes
@@Mr.Un0riginality yeah lmao i think anyone whose being serious can admit something like Kin being alive let alone conscious after taking an ACOC hit from Kaido straight to the noggin is wildly out of pocket lol
idk why people have this narrative > powerscaling mindset. they’re not separate, proper scaling is a part of narrative consistency and it does matter
Yeah like there was literally no power scaling for Luffy until Ennies Lobby he just had to fight hard situations and only Smoker and Crocodile made him suffer.
Who is to say the power of every villain is static though?
If the SH crew can get stronger then so can anyone else unless they were at their utmost limit already.
We just dont see villains come back often.
But hey, Bellamy was stronger in the colisseum then when he got one shotted by Luffy for instance lol
That’s a stupid argument. Because the yonko crews have been well established for decades and do not typically fight other yonko so they never have to leave their comfort zones of skill. Katakuri got molly wopped and left at wci. Who do you think that is at luffy level that went to wci to challenge Katakuri after he lost??? It was still big MOM territory and no one is crazy enough to randomly go square up with an entire yonko archipelago like luffy. If kat comes back stronger it’s purely for plot purposes and makes 0 actual sense.
You’re assuming that something you made up in your head happened in the anime just to cope.
Ur literally just coping
While Katakuri was getting Gastino'ed then sit on his ass mowing down 5000 pounds of donuts at home, Luffy and his crew travelled and scaled up 7 islands...
@@grimmcreeper192 I don't see why it is implausible for Katakuri to start training after he faced Luffy.
@@grimmcreeper192 When did i ever mention Katakuri though?
Wonder who is assuming now lol.
I was just saying that comparing power level between different characters (no specific ones) at different point in the timeline doesnt make much sense unless we know for sure that their power hasn't changed.
We have seen some characters re appear in the story that got stronger showing thats its a possibility.
I really dont care who is stronger honestly since this is all fiction anyways and the author could literally do whatever he wants in the end . . .
Katakuri > Sanji is a no brainer
Not anymore. Sanji the first to dodge Katakuri attack before the upgrade. His fire power can melt the mochi as well. Honestly Sanji is probably = katakuri now or stronger off of speed
True sanji is hella strong now pre raid sanji with the suit would be a cooler fight
Both queen and katakuri are high ranked yonko commanders, I don't think it's too far fetched to assume they're at least on the same ballpark in terms of strength. Sanji beat one of those two characters, why wouldn't he also at least be relative to the other one?
naw sanji wins that
True katakuri mid diffs imao
Isn't the reason why people think doffy is comparable to characters like queen or kat is because if he actually gets out of prison oda is just going to upscale him
Although I don't mind seeing Doflamingo get out of prison and get stronger, it's ludicrous for him to be top tier level with no training arc after doing nothing but sit in his cell for weeks.
@@cygnusprime6728well as we know characters get stronger after a tough fight meaning he is probably mid yc2 rn also crocodile was sitting in his cell the whole time and look at what he did in marineford
@@yo-kaikid1925 Marineford was absolute wack powerscaling and honestly everything that happened there should be taken with the most massive grain of salt.
@@dreamz1417 yeah ik im just pointing out that being in prison doesn’t exactly mean you cant get stronger
That’s the logic for a lot of characters right like Kat and Doffy. On one hand you could do that and theorize, or just go with what we’re given right now.
About Enel, he wasn't stronger than crocodile in the sense of physical fighting. His Logia powers were the huge buff he had, that being his power of lightning. This had the power to destroy the straw hats, luffy was just his perfect counter, thus making his buff useless.
He isn't the most intelligent (well he is but haven't fought enough to challenge himself further) but his powers are unmatched, and if a marine admiral or a Yonkou admiral had his powers and used them better they would be far scarier.
@@javigd96 I disagree I'd say he's pretty intelligent. Afterall he did design and engineer Ark Maxim which requires significant ains. To date, Enel is up there as one of the best user of his devil fruit, arguably better than any Admiral shown so far. His observation Haki is still top 5 along with the likes of Kata, Luffy and Fuji. Yes Punk Hazard is impressive but Enel wiped out an entire Island, and ch1089 was reminiscent of Angel Island. Enel's flaw was that he didn't train his physicality as much as his DF. Had he been on the Blue sea he'd be far more dangerous since he would have access to natural storm clouds and could create Raigo level attacks with ease.
@@charondesousa8868 You make a lot of good points, and you're right to say Enel is intelligent. But his IQ in terms of combat was room temperature at best(in celsius). The guy could teleport instantly throughout Skypea, but he made no effort to dodge any attacks of Luffy after seeing that he can be hit.
He should've also been able to kill Luffy really easily if he actually used his speed in combat, but he didn't. Instead we got a fight where he essentially threw lighting at Luffy, and got bodied out of sheer stupidity. He literally had Luffy captured at one point and decided to not put a spike through his head and just throw him off the ship instead.
All in all, his devil fruit is easily one of the strongest in the series, actually giving him firepower and speed potentially on par with the top of the world, but Oda kinda dropped the ball by making him fight pre-timeskip Luffy, and needing Luffy to win cuz of the story.
@@stefanstefan700prolly should of introduced him after. Like after CP9 tbh
I think Enel is a skilled user and worthy of his df, but his arrogance is a massive problem. Hopefully he fixes that if he ever returns.
Bruh this guy is so insecure about Katakuri i could be wrong but Katakuri lives rent free in his head, Katakuri negs your boy fraudji, he's also beating everyone in Wano except Kaido Luffy and Bm
How much meat you sucking from Faudakuri he only scales to Jack the drought.
Sanji mid diffs 😂that fucking fraud needs to get past ulti
Katakuri was having a hard time fighting by Oven and Caesar, get lost Katakuri Wanker.
Aii you gotta chill you’re gassing up Katakuri WAY too much
Bro reading three piece 💀
I think power creep in the show is fine. I think pre time skip handles it better but post time skip is much more fight focused so it’s bound to get a little crazy. I think peoples agenda gets in the way to much
agenda aside it's clear ulti is way above katakuri.
yea the power creep is alr as
in post time skip luffy was wrecking all and even katakuri with his new g4's, even if kata was doing insane as soon as luffy used g4 snakeman luffy went in and got an easy W, Luffy's only actual actual challenge was kaido ofc who was absolutely jus insane, the other enemies like doffy and kata were perfect training for kaido whether it was advanced haki or jus being able to use the gears more often and build up stamina
@@sarthakarora3212 Nah, Ulti aint no way above Katakuri. He would beat her ass just as hard as he was doing Luffy before he unlocked FS
@@sarthakarora3212 no
@TheMonkeys when he hit g4 snakeman it still wasnt an absolute W g4 was still sweating and katakuri was dodgin attacks easily and even lent hard damage and was still getting clapped the only reason katakuri lost was for stamina drain.Katakuri at the time was stronger than luffy before wano arc while when arc everybody went crazy katakuri probably gonna get stronger.and luffys plot armor gets stronger too.
W bro your stocks are going up frfr📈📈📈📈
Katikuri fanboys will never accept the power creep.
KATAKURI IS DOG WATER COMPAIRED TO CURRENT CHARECTERS MAN
Fax
@@TheUnintelligentOneI just saw someone say kaido vs katikuri is mid-high diff😭 this shit gotta stop and people gotta admit bros irrelevant now
@@mightguy3118What ? Kaidou wins
LOW dificulty
@@fredericolfarias9502 He wins no diff lmao katikuri gets blizted and one shot in a millisecond 💀😭
Seeing the gap between katakuri and kaido like who is gonna gonna be the next Main villain Roger ??? 💀
We won’t get a big power creep now because reaching this level of power is what Oda wanted from the start, but he ended up writing himself into a corner because of the Shichibukai. Yonkou level is the ultimate tier of power in the One Piece world. Now Luffy is going to fight evenly against all the people he would get mid diffed at best prior to Kaidou. The only power creep I can possibly see happening is for Imu. If someone is to be way stronger than absolutely everyone else that has ever appeared in the series it’s him/her
Also dont forget to mention, Kaido did 5-1 Luffy. Luffy isnt the strongest by a wide margin.
@@SluggedNugg not really
@@NoeloCard kaido thought a total of 15 charcters in a row on roof top and there all at least tobiropo level because oshira was bullying jack who is stronger than the tobiropo but oshira is a top tier scabbard so you could scail the lower tier ones to a tobiropo and than he fights kid killer law zoro and luffy thanluffy again than yamato than luffy again than one more time where he is finnally beaten
@@queurki3701 The Scabbards are kinda irrelevant
Law did some damage but it wasn’t that much in the grand scheme of things
Kid did nothing
Zoro actually did significant damage but Kaido kinda shrugged it off
Yamato drained his stamina more than she damaged him
Luffy did 95% of the work
Katakuri washes Sanji without even going all out the exact same way he did to his brother.
When im in a meat riding competition and my opponent is a Kaktakuri fanboy
@@abysswarrior😱
You need future sight to defeat Katakuri. Hell, even with it, Katakuri "let" Luffy win out of respect. He wouldn't have the same incentives as Sanji.
@@kingace6186future sight doesn’t work on opponents faster than you
@@kingace6186 bs...Kats future sight didn´t even work on sanji way back in wci when sanji was not even half as strong as he is now...Sanjis feats are way above Kat it´s not even close
I think it works for one peice bc throughout the story we get glimpses of extremely strong ppl so it doesn’t fell like an a pull when we finally see how strong someone like kaido is
I need another katakuri vs sanji to prove the point again on why sanji vs Kata should not be a debate
Sanji is going to disappear tho...
@@notforyou2893katakuri one taps and blitzes every character in wano far surpasses anything in whole cake island it’s like you didn’t watch the video
@@ismaelvargas9098what cocaine amped dribble did I just read
I doubt that post wano zoro could beat katakuri, his df is too op.
@@raahym tf u mean zoro one shots the man who got powercliffed
I don’t agree with a good amount of power creep opinions ppl say mainly because the match ups are more nuanced than simply being stronger. I do think power creep mainly exist for Luffy but after rereading Kaido vs Luffy I don’t think the power creep is as bad as ppl say.
Luffy did lose, and would have died multiple times if not for everyone else, plus had everyone else contributing to tiring him, plus the fact he got his health restored. Even in Gear 5 he was pretty much losing until he overpowered Kaido in the final clash.
Matchup is what matter in One Piece than power
@@HapPawhere Agree. Luffy vs Enel is a clear example of this.
Luffy was clearly LEAGUES under Enel in terms of power, but despite this Luffy closed this gigantic gap simply becase he's made of rubber.
So yeah, this demonstrate that the right matchup can overcome basically everything, no matter how weak or strong you are.
The problem I have with luffy vs kaido is haki bloom that happens during the fight which specifically only happens ro luffy which is a cop out . Oda could've simply said kaido has reached his peak of haki and cannot improve anymore and Also make luffys powerup more gradual than luffy gets knocked out he is stronger gets knocked out again he is stronger
@@sujithsudhakaran745 I mean Luffy already learned Ryuo, all he really did was copy Kaido by infusing conquerers. Also I think it’s more shown and implied that Kaido was slowly getting weaker and wounded from all his battles while Luffy got to rest and regain energy. I think Yamatos statements about the clouds could also imply that carrying the island took stamina from Kaido too
@@lordzeref8175 Luffy vs Cracker too. Honestly Enel was just a lazy bum who got exposed in a physical battle
Tbh i dont really know anymore. Oda just does what he does and his fanbase acts like he had it planned out in 1981
Overall I still think One Piece is keeping their scaling pretty decent. The real power gaps that we are seeing are our perceived gaps between the Straw Hats and their increasingly stronger enemies. It does potentially create problems when comparing those enemies to each other which I never even considered.
The power scaling is absolute trash. One piece fans are brain dead.
Luffy went from Doffy to Kaido to kizaru in less than 2 months. The entire crew also got stronger. This is terrible writing. Only in one piece and other shit battle shonen manga do the main characters get stronger every single arc. JJK and HxH are proper power scaling manga. They don’t create plot devices like haki or how it blooms in fights to forward characters in the power scaling gap.
@jayloncollins9681 wow crazy how the only reason he beat kaido and doffy was because he had help and multiple breaks throughout their fights
But most one-piece fans realize this, so does that mean ur worse than braindead?
Damn new videos are coming out faster than sanji
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sanji came out?
@@skycycle3395 yes he’s disappearsexual
keep the vids up bro they’re elite
my favourite one piece creator 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Same
Thank you for another banger vid ❗️
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one piece fights in a nutshell
So I felt Dolf can hang with future enemies, but my thought for that was based on 1 thing
1 He lost a 2vs 1 luffy maybe did most of the work, but I was under the impression that the damage done to his heart by law was something he had to concentrate on the entire fight afterwards. I think that weakened him a lot (I accept I could be wrong but I’m explaining my thoughts)
Enel got power cliffed in water 7 not even enies lobby
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I don't think power creep was THAT bad until Wano. That's when the main charactera and villains got way too strong and created weird moments with every character they interact with
Yeah. The Doflamingo to Cracker to Katakuri upscale was pretty good all things considered.
Luffy was shown that the very armament that bodied Doffy was child's play to Cracker, and then his observation was challenged by Katakuri.
Wano got kinda weird introducing Lunarians, adv conquerors, and the weird scaling of the tobbi roppo and scabbards. It was bound to get a bit confusing. Imagine scaling the scabbards v the strawhats. Sounds like a pain
@@3dsmaster537 Hard agree
@@3dsmaster537It also demonstrated that Doflamingo is far tankier than the biscuit armor since it only took a single kong gun to destroy them. Still didn't mean that Doflamingo could *beat* Cracker though. Again, the scaling was gradual and believable.
Or maybe THEY ARE that strong
@@3dsmaster537 I think with Cracker it was yet again an example of different powers, rather than power creep. Cracker gave Luffy such a tough time because of his unique powers that kept Luffy on a distance. But as shown, all Luffy needed was one good hit and Cracker was down and out. Doflamingo on the other hand fought Luffy head on and got his ass handed to him, but it took a LOT more damage to put him down.
So Cracker wasn't necessarily stronger than Doflamingo, he just had a fruit power that made the fight more difficult for Luffy. Who knows how the Dressrosa fight would've gone, had Doffy used his energy on string clones instead of the birdcage to tire Luffy out until he lost Gear 4.
“well actually Katakuri has future sight”😂😂😂
I hate hearing that shit so much. People actually think Katakuri can beat king just because of future sight.
@@grimmcreeper192because luffy needed future sight to be able to even compete against Katakuri??? Do you guys even pay attention to the story?
@@Khaled68335 katakuri got power crept. End of story. Are you saying that whole cake island luffy could beat marineford whiteboard because he has future sight? Hell no. Are YOU paying attention to the story
@@Khaled68335 but sanji didn´t need future sight to negate kats future sight in wci...kaido also just blitzed luffy who used future sight proving that if the speed gap is too high you still get caught...and the version of luffy that beat kat got one tapped by kaido...by the time wano was over all the significant characters (luffy, Law, Kidd, Zoro and Sanji, maybe even killer) got buffed so hard they all overshadow gear 4th luffy (whole cake island)
The consistency is crazy 😭😭
Bro is gonna be releasing an update when the GOAT don kreig comes back and starts boxing with G5 luffy
I always chalked it up to headbutting being Ulti's "one trick pony" kind of move. And tbh, power aside, as long as you can get the upper hand for even a moment you can at least do a little bit of damage to those stronger than you. I dont think Luffy should have ever worried but he did underestimate Ulti which led to that one exchange going in a her favor for a little. Shes not as strong as katakuri at all, she was just able to do the one thing she absolutely excells at while luffy played her down. Thats all
luffy did to ulti, what katakuri did to luffy, used all her best moves against her and still came out ahead.
fighting ulti with ulti's attacks just to prove he's 100% stronger and its not just a trick of devil fruit or something.
he then realized it was dumb, and figured i need to go gear 4 to just blitz her and get to kaido asap instead of playing this game.
In terms of physical prowess, she is close with Cracker/Katakuri/commander level characters.
i've always thought that the haki bloom makes it difficult to really gauge fights
Great video :) nice structure
The battle begins and... Ulti dissapears...
I think its the readers fault for failing to understand that characters keep getting stronger and thus fight stronger people
Except the whole balance of the world thing. And we are close to the end game where the top tiers should be similars.
Not every one to every one.
But everyone should have someone else near them.
I feel like Luffy took down Kaido too early.
Too early??? Bro we 1,000 plus chapters in and he still got his ass whooped multiple times on top of having to train a week and some change before fighting kaido again😭
And Kaido fought multiple people before luffy. Luffy can't beat kaido if both of them are at 100%.
not going to lie even after wano i still think he loses the 1v1
@@Kakolbus...Luffy in g5 stronger than kaido but he loses as his stamina in g5 will run out before he takes out kaido.
great video bro, but your forgetting that each character has their own hacks that give them advantages over others. yes one may be physically stronger or even seen as stronger but remember most people who went up against luffy pre time skip an post thought they could take him. meaning the gap between some character’s strength is closer than anticipated.
this video is such a stretch you'd think it had the gum gum devil fruit
I kinda disagree with the katakuri take mostly because while what you said about power creep is true and I do agree. I think depiction plays a large factor. The anime depicts king as insanely strong but depicts big mom as still on equal footing to kaido. If kat was in wano we could assume his depiction would be equal to kings. Oda has categorized these characters for a reason. I think it’s safe to assume all first commanders are around the same strength level. Certainly some are stronger than others but oda has already showed us that charterers get stronger off screen as evident by rob Lucci in egghead. Just my take tho.
yea but if my understanding is correct, hes making this targeting people who says weaker- -wci luffy fight, katakuri is stronger than X,Y,Z which you'd be surprised, do exist
Yea but if u go only off of feats then anyone in wano pretty much out scales kat in like every aspect
And Kat is pretty fodder himself it took luffy only like 15 hits in total to beat kat while luffy got hit over 90 times. Kats endurance is pretty garbage in general he would prob die from like 1 or 2 hits from current base luffy or ulti
@@ebkswervo6382 Yeah but he said "if kat was in wano". And if he actually was placed in Wano there's no doubt in my mind that he'd be portrayed to be as strong as the man himself, King. But alas, he wasn't in wano and his last feats were in whole cake so shucks.
Oda is the kind of guy that says powerscaling is dumb and puts everyone on the level the story demands them to be and I respect him for that. That's also why I don't have any doubts that two people portrayed as a Yonko's strongest are about the same strength unless specifically implied otherwise like idk Mihawk who's also currently a "yonko's strongest" but most definitely above that.
I actually am one of those guys that genuinely believes that Ulti would beat Katakuri , hell I hate Jack but narratively he should scale above the likes of Ulti but like bro has nothing on Ulti feat wise and has no signs of haki ANYWHERE in the story. Like we legit have to go down road of just saying Kaido literally runs his crews pecking order by strength and nothing more so by that logic you can get Jack above Ulti but its still weird . Like do you think the Cat and dog mink tribe leaders can beat Katakuri? Serious question?
If it's Sulong I say they Clap Katakuri honestly.
I'm with you totally, it's weird because Ulti is such an outlier compared to the rest of the tobiroppo. Of them all she has the highest feats from tanking BM, making her the closest to the calamities' level. About above to equal to Katakuri.
I remember thinking who's who was the strongest of the Tobi roppo only to discover bro honestly got folded by Jimbei. Ulti probably would've been a cool matchup vs Jimbei
Imagine the community if smoker caught fluffy in modern manga.
As an active subscriber it is indeed a win win situation🤷🏾♂️
Another thing you could consider is that in one piece a large majority of leveling up your skill is done in a hard battle. Meaning that even after losing to Luffy a lot of the villains like Katakuri and Doffy are probably considerably stronger despite losing
the next arc begins and the villains even stronger than the previous...
That isn't always the case in OP. Unlike DB where villains go from weakest to strongest, OP tries to make it as mixed as possible. For example:
Krieg, Arlong and Kuro will definitely demolish Foxy and Wapol.
Enel will beat anybody from Thriller Bark and Cp9.
The Straw Hats facing the Admirals too early.
Crocodile, Enel, Kizaru, Aokiji, etc... will demolish Hordy Jones.
@@mstr293 the only way enel wins is cos of logia hax, he gets outscaled by everyone else after him (apart from foxy) also again hody only loses because of logia hax he outscales enel and pre-timeskip crocodile
@@mstr293beerus:
@@mstr293 enel doesn’t beat anyone past his arc lmao everyone after skypea out scales enel in every category lmao. The only way enel could win is cuz he’s a logia but it would be a tie since enel wouldn’t be able to hit or damage them either
Whats the music at the end of the video
How do you handle power creep good tho is my question?
Rooftop feats are kinda inflated
Most (if not all) of the characters who were hurting Kaidou were using hax to do so, since advanced armament bypasses defenses. So using this to wank the attack potency of Luffy or any other character who did shallow damage to Kaidou doesn’t work (ain’t no fucking way that Kinemon hits harder than a King Kong Gun for Luffy at the start of Wano)
And in his first fight against Kaidou Luffy wasn’t using future sight, so he wasn’t at his best when he got blitzed.
That one week time skip and Udon weren’t a big buff, Luffy just got some new abilities and got a bit stronger
People wank the shit out of Zoro too and ignore he was low diffed by King moments latter
Agreed, the rooftop moments are over estimated as all of them had tools to bypass kaido defenses it wasn't just they could hit harder.
You was kinda cooking Till the zoro part Enma was literally holding him back and king is more durable than kaido once Zoro got Acoc he 3 tapped king
@@boininjarj278 Doesnt matter, I’m talking about rooftop Zoro, not ACOC Zoro
Even when Enma wasn’t sucking Zoro he was getting beaten badly
Tbh future sight wouldn’t have made a difference and I think that’s what Oda is trying to covet with that scene
When Katakuri wasn’t using future he was still able to react and block Luffy’s attack
Kaido completely and utter blitzed Luffy without even trying
And btw Luffy literally used future sight to dodge Kaido’s thunder bague and luffy barely dodged it and still took damage kaido even commended him on it
The thing is, it doesn’t matter how much power creep the Straw Hats get, Oda if he ever wanted to could easily bring back Katakuri and just say he’s also been training and got a huge buff. The only reason Luffy said anything about Ulti was because he was expecting to be able to fodderize anyone he ran across, so he wasn’t putting much thought into fighting them, he never said he has to take Katakuri seriously because he was taking him seriously from the beginning. I don’t even think he knew who the Tobi Roppo were, so for all he knew Ulti could’ve just been another wack ass smile fruit user. Also y’all always seem to forget Luffy was getting whooped worse than Katakuri was. Katakuri eventually gave up because Luffy kept getting up, but he literally said he wants a rematch at some point so I don’t know why y’all think he would stay stagnant. I actually agree with most of your points in the video though about newer villains being a bigger hurdle for him to overcome. I just don’t think Ulti is anywhere near Katakuri’s level.
what abt that guy that had the leopard leopard fruit (forgot his name)
Good vid
I mean Kaido and big mom are the strongest in the world, to take them down naturally the straw hats and allies will have to be significantly stronger then when they could barely beat Doflamingo
On the enel and lucci thing, Lucci is a harder fight because his fighting capabilities and devil fruit were honed. Where as Enel simply has a powerful devilfruit and is cocky because of it. They talk about this concept a few times urging people to not rely on devil fruits. Crocodile, Moria, Enel honed their devil fruits and cant keep up, where as Lucci can come back and fight Luffy whenever because he does both.
Each villain is kind of like a dark souls boss primarily presenting new challenges and tricks to overcome rather than simply this guy can blow up a mountain. Moria shadow snatching was crippling luffys first logia crocodile was tricky. Moria was aged out and lost all hope. However, Crocodile in his bag was fighting everyone at marineford. I think the overall standard was set a while ago. it's just that age and ambition skews power levels a non complacient kaido, for example, would never lose to Luffy. Katakuri, who had not been challenged in a long time when faced with challenges, also evolved during the fight along side Luffy.
@@gkreinso what you're saying is logias are bitch made mages 😂
@@gkrein yea for sure, you gotta be crafty like caesar (kinda) have potential like Ace, or be skilled fast and powerful like aokiji to make them work sebse some characters can just neg some logias. Meanwhile every Zoan eats fuckin hits, and paramecias vary but have great utility and versatility
@@gkrein oh, or if you have future sight.
@@gkrein for sure, and because haki trumps all the devil fruits that pair best with haki are zoans
The fight starts
And sanji disappears
it’s always a good day when restless gambler uploads 🐐
The problem with power scalers is that they see everything in term of numbers, and if you beat someone that means that you numbers are bigger.
What make Katakuri so strong was the versatility of his fruit, presented as a better version of the "gomu-gomu" and his ability to see into the future.
In term of raw strengh is perfectly posible that Ulti, and the rest of the Tobiroppo, are stronger, having all of them zoan fruits, abilities that gave the user the strength, speed and stamina of animals, however in a fight Katakuri has more in his repertoire that just raw strength.
Exactly, DBZ fans can't understand fighting styles, because in their manga, everyone fight the same way, so of course the number is the only thing that matters. ulti's headbump might be one of the most powerful in the verse, but that's just it... It's a question of fighting styles. Just like some devil fruits have strenght and weakness. Just like in real life, a random kickboxer might be stronger with his kicks than some mma champions specialized in wrestling, it doesn't mean that he would win against them.
Y'all make up this excuse and cope 🤣 A > B > C scaling does work. If I go defeat a Yonko fair and square, are you seriously gonna go compare me to katakuri because of his moveset and even think he has a slight chance?
@@mightguy3118 dude the entire Enel fight is the prime example that you can win against someone way over your own weight category and still be weaker than them.
@@diegorojas8959 Enel is fodder to begin with 😂 Luffy still needed the strength and speed to beat him which he had. And that logic only works partially if you naturally counter someone. Other than that A > B > C scaling is valid
That Dom Corleo background music 😂😂
We still need to meet the Revolution, Dragon, Blackbeard Confrontation.
The battle begins and... OP power creep is absolutely boner raising
Imagine being worried about powerlevels in 2023
Power levels and scaling have always been a thing of anime and the community what are you on about. DBZ the most iconic anime is based around power levels 💀
What's the name of the outro song
Think of luffy considering using gears on ulti like hp and mana/stamina what's more worth losing up on a mini boss and saving your mana and stamina for your big hitting skills against the final boss or using those skills to conserve your hp
This man never stops
I like to think of it as there are more than one way to defeat an enemy and each “boss” is a different person with different beliefs and fighting styles and weaknesses. The power levels aren’t chronological as most shonins and I think that is okay because it shows the diversity of each villain in the series.
Can u do white beard vs laid analysis
Where's you're tier list? I wanna see
Honestly I think popularity plays a role in it. Characters like doffy, katakuri, and enel looked so dominant in their own arc and are insanely cool main antagonists so it’s hard for some fans to accept that they get out scaled by less cool and less important side characters
He’s wrong about Doflamingo though that’s why I came to the comments when he started shitting on my boy. When I say that I’m not fanboying I have legitimate arguments
-Doflamingo being nerfed against Bound Man everyone forgets/ignores that. He didn’t get overwhelmed either he awakened and then Luffy ran for 20 minutes
-Doflamingo instantly breaking free of Aokiji’s ice
-Compare Doflamingo vs Sanji pre buff vs Queen. Who look superior portrayal wise?
The last part is my main point. Doflamingo was one of those characters people would compare to Admirals which was and still is especially now controversial. That’s because he has the same portrayal as Whitebeard’s/Shanks’ crew and Sabo. This made us assume Kaido and Big Mom’s crew was just as strong but in reality the crews have different feats and portrayal
He talks about Luffy overcoming Doflamingo but he never did he only beat him because he had Law and citizen assistance. He had less help against Katakuri, the only thing was Brulee giving him the chance to recover a bit of Haki. Katakuri couldn’t K.O. him no matter how much he hit him and went down after hardly any damage he looks pathetic
@@KurokamiNajimicopeium
@@brucewayne497 Not really it’s all facts
@@KurokamiNajimiCope doffy is fodder
@@mightguy3118 Cool I guess Aokiji failed to freeze fodder then
I want captain kuro to show up, scaled up to Luffy's current level.
He's got longer claws now
ayoooo, who does your thumbnails?
me
@@RestlessGamblrr these thumbnails are insanely good. good on you
I believe some of the villains Luffy has fought were equals in strenght but this was each times a different matchup where he had to find out a way to win.
Less of a creep, more of a logical progression. From now is when I’d call it a power creep. Big mom and kaido, two of the highest powers in the one piece world, have been the main goal for a long time, and now they finally defeated them. Everything that happened before was expected to happen if not fighting even stronger opponents. We knew where the level of opponent would eventually reach so I don’t think it really crept up on us. Now I think it’ll either start creeping or it’ll sort of go back to its roots
true but it still don't feel right that Yamato is somehow stronger by a long shot than someone like Katakuri
I think it's handled pretty well🤷those who don't get it just have comprehension issues
Exactly, its like gambler is fighting himself in this video because he likes the nuance but when there is nuance like ulti vs luffy he says its not great
@@bloxer9563chopper can literally beat up Katakuri.
He damaged fucking QUEEN
That's more then anything Katakuri could do
@@shirothr5384This is some shitty logic
The last thing I would critique One Piece on is Power Creep imo.
@@shirothr5384nice troll
Funny how u & superior Iq always upload on the same day
6:16 luffy said all that about ulty and not katakuri because when he was facing ulty he had urgency to reach te roof top to meet kaido for the fight. so, what luffy was considering was if he was in need or not to one shot Ulty. He was fighting her with little haki becase he though he could keep her at bay with little effort to reserve his actual fighting power for kaido's fight. but ulty was actually giving him a hard time because she was fast and her headbuts were no joke due to her devil fruit mixed up with haki.
I think Jjba really shines because there really isn’t power creep at all but every fight is still high stakes
Power creep in one piece is very minimal, it’s definitely there but in comparison op is a power scaling masterpiece. The introduction of the warlords and emperor made it very easy for oda to power scale as we were introduced to thr strongest pirates in the world fairly early
Can someone explain this to me kidd was taking big mom attacks but now fodder with a sword can kill him when he’s tired
He’s tired and have no stamina to fight after Law and Kidd defeated Big Mom.
About the Ulti thing, I think that luffy was expecting to just one tap her and leave so he could get to Kaido ASAP, so he decided that he was going to pull out gear 4 just to get her out of the way and go fight Kaido. also I think the whole underestimating thing is because he expected Ulti to be as strong as an average big mom member like Oven, who he could probably beat without gear 4 back in WCI and even more so now
I know a lot of people wont accept this because of their own personal bias, but your argument is solid. The power creep got insane recently and there's no denying that with the evidence at hand (manga panels and translations). Everything else without sourcing the original material/ interviews from oda himself, is purely headcanon and completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
it's not recentrly. Are we forgetting Crocodile exist?
That’s my only problem currently in Egghead, the power creep is insane lmao. Luffy needing to use gear 5 against Lucci (him being awakened is nuts by itself), Luffy and Zoro struggling against the seraphim, and the worst one IMO was the fact that Shanks one-shotted freaking Kid. Don’t get me wrong, these were all amazing and hype moments that I deeply enjoyed, but they are ridiculous AF 😭
He didn't need to use gear 5, he just went straight to it and kinda stomped.
Now that is your own headcanon
None of this is power creep lmao.
Luffy held back, didn’t use advanced haki, and still rag dolled lucci.
They were struggling against seraphim because of their flames. It was already established that lunarians with flames on are almost impossible to hurt.
Kid was never near yonko level. It isn’t surprising at all to me that he got one shot. His cannon also blew up in his face which didn’t help.
The seraphim are the worst addiction to the manga in years. Something that can tank awakened lucci and g4 Luffy, the same g4 that was difficult to handle for kaido, without drawbacks shouldn't exist. The flame is not good enough, what's the problem if you can't attack if you have god level of resilience?
@@M.W.2 Imo I don't really understand your problem with the flame on mode on the seraphim. There's nothing wrong with them being able to tank everything. They gonna need that God level resilience against the toughest pirates out there. They cannot use Haki and need this to actually be a threat. Otherwise they will end up like the pacifista at the beginning of the timeskip. One shot.
3:29 I don’t know if enel is physically more durable than crocodile
When it comes to comparing characters like ulti and katakuri or doflamingo and queen, if the character has a fruit and good haki then we should apply the boxing logic: styles makes fights, not in every case in one piece but in most examples you gave in this video
I'd say Doffy.. still stands the test of time in terms of combat strength. I don't think he's going toe to toe with Katakuri (very few people are) BUT his powers are freaking versatile. Like I feel he could cause a lot of trouble for anyone with birdcage alone. Ranged attacks, a similar diversified fighting style like Law has and he's strong enough for awakening btw.. with awakening being implied to be something you only get when your power/strength is ready for it. That said.. with Katakuri in particular, i'd say he's more honed physically. Speed, range and attack power capable of competing with and even domininating gear 4 luffy who dominated doffy for the most part. But i'd also say due to devil fruit mastery, Katakuri could never create a situation like dressrosa containing even people of admiral levels of power.
You also have to remember that the fight with Doffy wasn't One on One like with Kat. Law did a massive amount of damage to Doffy before it became a 1v1 and even after that Luffy was saved by people when his Haki was down. Doffy vs Luffy was never a 1v1.
@@Snow_Weaver Facts. I ALMOST discounted that in the fight but before Luffy ever even fully clashed with doffy, Law tired him out, landed hits on him, scuffed him up and thats before he used gamma knife to damage doffy internally. That said, I still think Doffy loses against gear 4 luffy but his durability was definitely weakened by the time he fought luffy in gear 4th if not his overall physical strength.
I agree with everything here but I really want to see Katakuri or even Doffy come back to the story after getting stronger. If Luffy can reach emperor status after training his haki for about a month in wano, then Katakuri can reach King status after learning Advanced Conquerors haki 😭. Let me cope
dont overdose
what's the argument for how croc is able to hang with the top guns though?
I might be biased but I think there are 6 main power levels in One Piece (head canon):
- Yonko / fleet admiral
- Admiral / first yonko commander
- Yonko commander / shichibukai
- Vice admiral
- Rookie
- Average
All this stuff is part of why i don't see the power scale being all that wide in One Piece. Luffy didn't get clearly and noticably stronger until his fight with Blueno and then Lucci. Luffy was physically stronger than Arlong. I just don;t think the gaps are quite as large as other people seem to.
This is why I’m backing the admirals, they have to be at that yonko level to keep the stakes of the story 😂
8:00 exactly , its beyond me how people still think this is the case , W video man
Ulti honestly felt to me to be the strongest tobi roppo
I know this is one piece but it’s crazy how start of dbz piccolo was MOON LEVEL with weighted clothing !