Conquerors Haki Is Becoming A PROBLEM…
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video I discuss the problems that are reoccurring from the ability known as conquerors haki and how it affects the overall story and fights in one piece
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I’m not enjoying this luffy vs Kizaru fight as much rn since Ik they are still holding back tremendously… leave a like
Fr either let them go all out and fight fr or let the strawhats escape. Also W vid my king and savior.
Slow fight progression and break weeks are brutal
Fr. We went in agendas blazing and we left Zoro vs Lucci being more interesting
Dude stop using my sails are set in your videos
@@umbrellaumnah it’s a banger
At this point op fans just counting how many black lighting scribbles there are to see if it’s conquerors or not😭
Wish Oda just made a consistent way to show when Acoc is being used
They calculating the thickness fr☠
😭😭😭ong
@@LAWISTHEGOAT "From the width of this lightning and the fact that it is not 200% bigger than said user we can confirm that honesty impact is in fact not Acoc and likely emission. Further supported by Koby being a whiny crybaby. However...
Luffy did use Acoc in his kick on Kizaru why because I said so"
Acoc scaling go crazy
@@mr.quirrel4982 it rivals sweat scaling😭
Showing both armament and conqueror's haki with lightning streaks was a big mistake on Oda's part, it would never be this confusing without this choice.
I just wish he would explain it instead of leaving it so ambiguous. Cause now the power scaling doesn’t make any sense
This.
Armament was so clean in Fishmen Island, Punk Hazard and Dressrosa. If anything, armament was shown with little tendrils of Haki (like when zoro was gonna block the bird cage).
Black Lightning showed up first time in Conqueror's clash between Luffy and Doffy, and we all thought that was exclusive to it.
But ever since Whole Cake Island it tarted showing in regular Armament uses, and Oda just made it so unnecessaringly confusing and frustrating.
i am afraid confusion may be intentional. I fear Oda put himself into a corner by making acoc as powerful as it is. it seems he doesn't want to give coc to admirals as such. he meant it when he made kaido say only the strongest of the strongest. but as a multiplier acoc is so huge, nobody without can keep up with someone who has it. then he wants admirals to at least be able to tango with likes of luffy. but there is no way kizaru can be so strong to keep up with luffy when luffy is ordinarily throwing sky splitting punches in base. So he makes luffy forget he had acoc. not even first time. did the same to BM during kid and law fight. Also remember the clash between aokiji and garp. why didn't garp hit aokiji with galaxy impact? he throws galaxy impact at buildings and tiny punches at aokiji. makes no sense, doesn't it? like i said i think oda put himself into a corner with this. i am not liking it.
@@teddysama5745 What does not make sense about that is the fact that Zoro is seem to be using ACoC now.
Also, ACoC is just an AP buff, evenif Luffy uses it now vs Kizaru it won't change much, sonce Luffy has not landed a clean attack.
@@hitetsu9180You got me think what Luffy might do to win...
I know it's gonna be an extreme diff...But what exactly will make him win? Will Luffy make an ass pull in Gear 5 that catches everyone off guard?
This is not enjoyable bruv😢
And I thought after Wano that Luffy will prioritize his base form ACoC since it did well with hybrid kaido
advanced conquerors haki and advanced armament haki are indistinguishable most of the time lol.
either they touch or dont, lighting is an aspect of haki clashing at high levels in the physical world... it doesnt indicate either conq haki or arm, either or would have black lightning...
The thing is we all should realize is that, when it comes to application traits/symtomps/whatever you wanna call it: ACoC = Armament.
Not touching? Armament has it (Luffy trained in Ryou for this, before the raid you see him destroy a tree from afar without touching it).
Invisible Aura? Armament has it.
Internal Damage? Armament has it.
ACoC is exactly like Armament, just Diled up to eleven on crack.
For real 😂
@@mohamedab9033 we all know luffy gonna touch that mofo even with advanced conquerors when he is really going for a hard hit haha
@@HeizeyeahWe've seen Kaido hit Luffy with Acoc in pannels where it was *very* hard to tell if there was any touching involved. The overhead hit after CP0 interfered in their fight is a good example. The black lighting is very pronounced there, but it's hard to tell if there's distance from that perspective.
Love the concept of ACoC, but man, Oda kinda wrote himself into a corner with it.
The constant “holding back” of characters is just getting tedious at this point. As you mentioned, there’s no reason in these instances where they shouldn’t be using ACoC but for some reason just don’t.
Glad you understood what I mean!! I DIDNG EVEN RECOGNIZE YOU 😭 I miss the smoking Brook 🥲
@@SuperiorI.QLMAO SO IT WASNT JUST ME WHO DIDNT RECOGNIZE THE GOAT😭🙏🏿
Julian at this point the smoking Brook is your trademark you might have to go back💀
@@SuperiorI.Q Lmaooo😂 I wanted to shake shit up for a little bit. But for real dude, I get that it’s kinda being used as a ‘trump card’ kind of power, but why?
They can use it at any point in time, and throughout egghead the instances where it would be incredibly advantageous to use it, they don’t? I don’t know, it’s just getting a bit ridiculous at this point.
@@DripJambe I know😂😭 I probably should
Hot take: Oda is not Goda he is inconsistent with his storytelling and powers. Which is expected when you wrote a very long manga cause he definitely didn't think it all the way through 10 years ago until now.
Inconsistent with powers?? Yeah true.. But storytelling?? I don't find many instances for that...
Been saying this op fans need to use their brains and not glaze everything
i think you should not take anime this serious lol @@jojoanyanwu711
Instead of making advance conquers lightning black, red they could make it white, red similar to how shanks had white, red haki back in the early pirate warrior's games.
I agree it needs to be a different shade
@@SuperiorI.QIt's exacty like this in the anime. At least for now, in anime, the way Ryou aura and CoC aura are drawn and animated are completely different.
So props to anime for visual clarity.
Manga are in black and white so it's naturally harder
@@mohamedab9033 yep its easy to differentiate the 2 in the anime best example would be zoro the switch from purple to green aura was smart
It really comes down to Oda defining black lightning & if ACH can physically touch ur opponents 🙃🙃🙃
It can we seen some examples 👀
@@SuperiorI.QWhen Kaido knocked Luffy out for the 3rd time 👍🏿 he was most definitely touching him.
Which makes it more confusing to tell when actual conquerors are using it or just the armament sparks
Kaido did mention while Luffy was in G5 he was perfectly combining ACoC and ACoA whilst in G5, and all of those attacks were making contact with him.
I don’t even think Oda knows the difference atp😂
@@julianw2459Bro Oda needs to give us an SBS dedicated to the explanation 😭😭😭 cause was it just AC when Kaido put Luffy down the 3rd time? Why wouldnt he use Adv. Armament too?
@@maliklofton9148 I have no idea anymore. I’ve tried to formulate some form of logic behind it all, but the more you really dissect every instance that it’s used/potentially used, it’s a cluster-fuck😂
Haki is like Law abilities Oda pick and choose when to use it and when it works and when it doesn't.
Haki has had annoying ambiguities ever since Fishmen Island. It's insane that we beat Kaido and this is STILL a problem. It's not like haki is a small part of the story. The Coby thing upsets me the most, that is a character I like, and now I'm sitting here waiting for the story to confirm what even happened in that panel. If that is conquerors, thanks, I missed the chance to be hyped because it wasn't clear. If that wasn't conquerors, great, I got my hopes up for nothing, and how do you even explain an attack that massive without conqueror's?
EDIT: After further investigation, Coby's feat was probaby just armament. There was very little haki on his fist before the attack. The zzt sound effect associated with Acoc haki was not included. And while it is crazy that he can do this much damage without Acoc, Garp did complain that his Galaxy impact did less damage than he hoped. So the power narrative here is that Coby with armament is as strong as old Garp with conqueror's. And later, Coby with Conqueror's will be Prime Garp level. Presumably.
And no, it is not ok that it took that much investigation to pick apart that moment. But I suppose that if I just had the mangas in my hand and I compared Galaxy Impact to Honesty Impact side by side, the difference would have been stark and apparent. Garp practically summoned an lighting storm along with his attack.
It wasnt conqurers the consistent kanji Oda uses to show Acoc bieng used was not present with koby It was present when garp used ohnesty impact though
@@animoments8969 So Koby can punch a hole in an mountain with advanced armament? But luffy could only punch a tree in half? That's weird. And I don't know if I trust oda to be consistent with the sound effect.
@@animoments8969Ok, so the Zap sound effect (or zzt in some translations) only appears when the black lighting is very pronounced. And it only seems to appear when Advanced Conqueror's users are winding up their attacks. It is in the panel before Galaxy Impact, but not on Galaxy Impact. It also appears before the Whitebeard vs Roger crash, but not during it.
It's an useful clue, but it seems to just be the sound that the thick black lighting makes. And this whole video shows how annoyingly unreliable the black lighting is. And it only appears during the wind ups, presumably because each attack is loud enough to overpower the ztt of the lightning.
Dude koby don't need ACOC to punch a mountain
COA IS A DEFENSIVE POWER NOT OFFENSIVE
Koby can potentially destroy that mountain even without COA he just used it so his bone doesn't transform into powder
People usually don't understand what is haki meant for
There is nothing as a "haki man" koby and garp are punch man they punch things they don't haki things
If you have access to ACOC then you have a lot of attack power but if you can't punch that ACOC means nothing. And the point of COA if to PROTECT yourself from others attacks or in sanji and kobys case from your own power they can still punch or kick without COA but they aren't protected
Same thing applies to shanks he is a swordsman who has massive defense due to his strong ACOC and ACOA if he somehow lost his haki someday he is still a stupidly strong swordsman with massive offense but lacking defense
Bro moria can do that
Buggy dama is a town level
The vagueness of haki really holds it back as a power system and makes the story confusing to watch.
Oda really didnt illustrate it well enough and now we’re all writing our own stories😂 i feel like oda is tryna preserve luffys image and not make him dominant. But its making him look incompetent tbh
People need to ask these controversial questions in the SBS instead of perverted weird questions
i want Oda to sweat in panic
What perveted weird questions where people asking 💀💀💀💀
@@animoments8969it's all kinds of weird shit these guys ask Oda, someone needs to ask him to define adv haki clearly
@@animoments8969 how would nami's bath water taste
Why are there many ass shots in egghead
How big zoro's chest is etc
For all intents and purposes, whether one can accurately tell what's being used or not, it is an obvious sentiment that all One Piece readers have in common that Oda's portrayl's visual clarity for Haki as of late has been ABYSMAL to say the least (Observation/future sight is no exception. characters who should be using it are never doing that).
The responsibility here is shared with Oda's Editors as well for no holding him in check for visual clarity, as well.
We all know by now, Oda sucks at Powerscaling, maintaining a balance or adjusting it. And he honestly doesn't even care this much. Thats why i liked old One Piece more, where Haki was less of a Thing. Now Haki is just to inconsistent.
I think the key to understanding this is to think of it in terms of flow. energy flow that is. After all, haki is basically a person's life force according to rayleigh, but only few are able to use it freely in its forms. When two advanced conquerors users clash, it's more or less a clash of will, a clash of their haki restricting each of their flows which in a way creates friction. The lightening effect is used to indicate this friction. But then friction between haki is not only between advanced conqueror users but can also be between advanced armament users who's hardened haki is clashing with each other. This also creates friction, and the lightening is used to indicate this.
In the case of zorro, the sword enma is basically draining his life force against his will. The flames on the swords are used to indicate this unrestricted flow of energy much like a burning candle.
When coby used honesty fists or garp uses galaxy impact, it could be conquerors or armament but either way, using haki on a scale that large will nonetheless generate friction and so lightening is used to show that effect.
The reason conquerors haki users don't touch each other even when clashing is because it's the haki, not the users that is clashing. the lightening is used to show that friction.
So, based on this logic if haki is to flow in a different manner from what we know it could be indicated in other forms like blue or red flames. it's all just symbolic.
Nice video bro great explanation even I get confused with this conquerors haki
This content really makes sense. Let's just hope more details will come up soon concerning ACoC.
Good Video bro!! I agree with you 1000000% !! You hit the nail on the head !
Agreed it just needs to be stated or cofirmed if a character is using advanced conquers haki its honestly annoying having to debate back in forth if a character is using it. It also weird why characters just don't use it
Its the case where, Oda literally made his characters a little too strong and overpowered which kind of limits fights after kaido, after wano you can never find a big of a fish as kaido never again to the point where he is finding some ways to try to not make them use those types of powers
You made it Sounds like kaido is peak OP. Don't lose hope yet, big fish? There are plenty, Imu, gorosei are pretty much creatures too like kaido
But I wonder why it was kaido first rather than mihawk
Zoro could gain black blade as a power up after defeating mihawk 1v1 and gain advcoc later 17v1 with kaido. It would be a much better outcome.
Advcoc Zoro on par with Lucci? Hmmm 😂😂😂
I agree with you some characters are a little too strong after kaido. It makes the fight after kaido unsatisfying, because I have seen what they're capable of and think they could do better. G5 against Lucci? Luffy should have try to one shot him, but he didn't 😂
There's no way to definitively know when a character is using ACOC but the katakana appearing when they do use it, is almost always correct 95% of the time, which is; バリ (bari)
Oh thank you I saw someone in a video say that theres a specific kanji used everytime which was there with garp but not koby. Its still a problem in the case of garp and aoikiji cause we dont kniw if both are using it or just garp
Still the fact we have to 4ecognise ja0anese characters in order to tell 😭😭😭😭
@@animoments8969 Yeah, haki is a messy concept. The Japanese characters are simple Katakana not Kanji, so it's easy to spot. You can go back to any panel ACOC has been used and it's almost always present which is a good point of reference when someone is not using it, such as Koby for example.
As for the Garp and Kuzan situation, we saw an indication to signify Garp was using ACOC but not Kuzan. So I would say Kuzan wasn't using it IMO. Not to say Kuzan doesn't have it but Oda doesn't seem to want to show the admirals using ACOC yet as he probably wants to maintain the image of the admirals being more in tune with their devil fruits for now.
The thing that no one talks about is how Luffy infuses his chancla with conquerors haki
the concept of haki has been flawed when they started introducing advance forms of armament and conqueror and then a fusion of advance armament and conqueror which only a few of the strongest can use
Imagine casual readers they dont know about advanced haki they just know the basic types
its not explained enough more than that its flawed and I think even without the explanation its more clear in the anime compared to the manga and i hope a haki master like shanks will explain it in the future since someone like him should show the highest level of haki between the current characters in the series
@@animoments8969 future sight and ryou were explained and most people understood them at least ,the problem was conquers coating and that 1 line from kaido that normally most people will forget
yeah i agree it can be confusing but rereading made me look at it this way. For example Armament Haki is a defensive type of Haki that protects the user from harm,while Conqueror’s Haki coating is an offensive type of Haki that harms the enemy with the user’s will .one is coating the other is infusion, defense and offence, Armament Haki does not fuse attacks like how Conqueror’s Haki does. Armament Haki only coats the user’s body or objects with a layer of will energy, while Conqueror’s Haki infuses the user’s attacks with their willpower, making them more powerful and effective. @@abdalrhman7998
White lightning for ACoC and black lightning for ACoA would be perfect. We saw both on Gear 5.
I think the answer is that its a combination of oda cutting corners and making mistakes in some instances and corrects them in the volume release and placing plot induced stupidity on characters when oda doesnt want that character to win at all or just yet/ wants certain characters to be occupied as events are unfolding as oda doesnt care to draw serious fights or the generic shounen fights we are accustomed to, hence you get this inconsistency with advanced haki. I hope that one of these days a jp op fan can ask oda to explain how advanced haki works in a future sbs
i won’t care until sanji has it 🥱 kid doesn’t deserve conquerors that bum
💀💀That mf do be a bum.
🗣️
All imma say sanji gets it bro will be top 5 eos confirmed 🗣️
I’d honestly assume Enma smoking was still Conquerors just because the entire mechanism of the sword was it was forcibly pulling haki out of him.
It being simply armament doesn’t really make sense either with the way it was cutting during those out of control moments either….it seems to be acting as a significant multiplier to his attacks, similar to what Conquerors Coating would do
King of hell mode is the application of Busoshoku Haki and Conquers Haki.
W video
Good job dude
Thanks my goat
@@SuperiorI.Q no problem dude
Also beast, Oct is comin round, you still down to get a fantasy BBall league going?
Yeah I’ll be down to join 🐐
FUCKIN FINALLY BRO. I respect fans that can admit something is wrong with a series. Brother you getting a sub from this video just know that.
Thanks king ❤️
Oda def needs to make conquerors haki more clear for advanced conquerors also sanji needs it
I wouldn’t say he needs it but It would be cool if he can live up to his epithet black leg sanji 😼
Let sanji be his own character ffs y'all want em to have it bc zoro has it 💀
@@Mr.Wiggles445 who said that zoro fans really live in their own fantasy world😭.
@@DripJambeain't nobody was saying Sanji should get conquerors haki until zoro got it be real 😭😭 he doesn't need it stop 😭
@@Mr.Wiggles445 that’s only casuals who think zoro is leagues above with it🤦♂️. If they read the story they would see that oda is constantly trying to portray technology as something that can potentially match haki or df’s. I agree he doesn’t need it to be strong but if he got it it would be whatever.
An easy tell would be helpful so that readers don't have to wait for some confirmation to be sure like different colors or something like that, it makes things easy for everyone
But luffy in gear5 is always infused in adv arm and adv coc haki,kaido pretty much confirmed that. But still Oda's power system is kinda messy,he needs to clarify some stuff.
Kaido just said that Luffy was leaking a lot of conqueror's haki. That doesn't mean he is always using conqueror's in Gear 5th. The Lucci fight showed that wasn't the case, we saw the two clash and touch fists.
@@Yodah97 no, he said he's infused with coc haki and arm haki,meaning he's always using the advanced versions. And adv coc haki users can still touch whilst using it,this is shown when kaido hit Luffy with the blow which killed him,it made full contact with Luffy. Or unless you think kaido wasn't using adv coc haki in one of his strongest attacks.
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I saw someone make a video that on top of thick black lightning, theres also a specific specific kanji Oda uses which was there on rooftop and when garp uses galaxy impact. I cant read japanese so I dont know what kanji that is
U said exactly how I felt bout
luffy not taking kizaru serious enough bc it’s da pissing me off
Superior and restless been on fire lately !!!
You know it!!!
Great video!
But I actually disagree with your very last point. I think that in this arc we are going to learn definitively when the characters are using CoC.
I see it as two scenarios either Luffy or Zoro directly state they are using it now (which means that all battles from here on we will wait until the characters directly scream it to confirm it)
Or Oda will cement an indicator like the SFX or the no touching (In Wano he was all over the place).
One thing I know for certain is that the pattern he uses is *show one panel that indicates CoC is being used (statement or the SFX or the no touching) and then draw the story like normal, so he will continue to draw the battles the same but we as the viewers will finally crack his pattern.
It's not just you bro i been feeling like Oda is being nerfed in egghead and im surprised not many people are talking about it
Head cannon engaged
Gap is when you got cracked armament output, high conqueror output, or a conqueror clash. Big black lightning is from high armament output and regular conquerors output.
1. Zoro used conquerors vs king, but the only time he made a gap was when he got he's swords caught and wanted them back. So zoro put some extra power in his haki to make the gap.
2. Kaido was using adv cock more than likely most of the rooftop but only made gaps when Luffy clashes his own conquerors with him.
3. "Mad" bigmom gapped pageone since the emotions amped the haki increased the output.
Now for the egghead shenanigans. We already know haki can be drained so using advanced haki for a long time will pretty much be gear 4 drawbacks but in base. And with the fact that Kizaru might be an admiral but still a human. Luffy prob doesn't see the need to use high output of armament and conquerors to damage him like he HAD to vs kaido just to make him feel something. Along with the fact I doubt kizaru has conquerors.
Luffy prob uses advanced armament or advanced conquerors not both at the same time like what he was doing vs kaido. Along with the fact that kizaru prob doesn't have conquerors, so unless Luffy maxes output there prob won't be a gap.
The thick lightning might be an art decision. Looking back at some of these panels. Gear4 is primarily black so making blacking on top of that is kinda messy. And we barely see black lightning vs kaido once gear5 comes out.
Zoro was already on a ticking clock because of his injuries he sustained on the rooftop. He only had a certain amount of time before the medicine that he received wore off.
Maybe similar to Armament pre time skip, there doesn’t need to be visuals showing it’s Conquerers
When Luffy was in Gear 5 there wasn’t any proof he was using it but Kaido confirmed it
It makes a lot more sense to me that Luffy has been using it this whole time against Kizaru than holding back
I think I found an explanation for acoc that makes a bit of sence to me . What if Advanced armament Haki and acoc have the same apllication explained to us by Hiyogoro. Basically the same way you use armament haki and its advanced applications is the same way you use Acoc. For example, you can use armament Haki to increase your offensive and defensive capabilities, so you could use acoc the same way while making contact. In the anime when luffy first uses acoc Hiyogoro explains the flow required to use ryuo so this would mean acoc can be applied as a couted attack to buff your offence and defence also emitted to do internal damage and also block without making contact or attack without making contact. Besically im saying the same way you use armament haki is the same way you use acock which would make sence. When luffy was in gear 5 he was emitting acoc and ryuo even tho he was making physical contact with Kaido, but when kaido made himself a flaming dragon Luffy chose to not make direct contact with him by emitting his haki outwards meaning the application for ryuo and acoc are the same the difference being the black lightning for acoc and it bieng more powerful. That makes things alot less confusing. The only problem now is the black lightning.
Oda needs to elaborate on this conquers haki man, cuz now people think Ulti got conquers too 🤣🤣
Maybe it’s a zone thing. Like you gotta get Into a flow state or really focused.
We still don't know(officially) if Garp used Conq. Haki. He might've used Adv. armament haki since no one was knocked out from it. I do believe Garp has it but the the manga has not shown it (yet). This is a problem with conq. haki (or even future sight). We can Not tell who can use what. We can only assumed.
Its been made pretty clear that gear 5 is imbued with conquerors haki tho
It doesn't always make lightning,but luffy is using it in gear 5
Also,gear 5 is only taxing on him once he goes back to base,so i feel like he doesn't really need to worry about going out mid battle
One piece fans ( deliberately admiral fans ) cherry pick what they want from the story and ignore what doesn’t suit their agenda to pump their favorite characters. It is sad some idiots try and claim devil fruits are better than advanced haki because luffy beat Kaido even though they were both users of advanced conquerors 💀
@@beburs man one piece agenda pushers gotta be the most delusional people on the planet
Its also that these idiots need information to be spoon fed to them
Although superior is one of the few sane agenda pushers out there imo,he got trash takes but he does use his head most of time
Couldn't say the same abiut the rest of the community because i do indeed agree with you
Saying rhat df matters more than haki is just stupid,first thing thathapoens after transforming is that every gets knocked out from conquerors And is always surrounded by golden and red lightning in the anime
And bajrang gun is literally his strongest attack because he combines both his fruit and haki
He won because hes strong,but most of all
His haki surpassed kaido's
Otherwise luffy would be as good as ashes☠️
The smoke around zoro's sword reminds me of the smoke when he first used armament haki vs pica
COuld it be that this smoke is actually a special type of armament haki meant for swordsmen
We know roger and shanks don't have this smoke on their swords when using advanced conqueror's haki
so why does zoro have it????
is it something that can only be used by people who dedicate their life to the sword ???
is it related to black blades???
assuming mihawk is also a conqueror, does he also havesone kind of smoke around his blade???
is this what separates swordsman from non-swordsman???
I agree
If Luffy doesn’t get serious asap(seeing Usopp in trouble like that) then idk what will make him realize this is serious
Also, yo dude my old editing software is garbage
What do you use and how can I learn it quick?
Used to use Sony Vegas but it’s crashing every 5 minutes
I think that coc isn’t necessarily a problem, it’s pretty implied who has it. It was said that it’s a very rare ability that is only obtained by those with kingly ambitons/genetics. Also it’s clear when it being used. For me I just think of the narrative, why would Zoro be using asura when he’s not even going all out, then why would he go all out at all. Acoc is portrayed to be the strongest ability in the series, and Zoro himself said during the fight with king that if you exude too much Haki you die, I assume acoc exudes more than like normal obs and ARNAMENT. So combined with these two things Zoro is not using acoc against lucci just cuz, if lucci was blocking acoc attakcs he’d have dura/defense higher than fucking Kaido, which is just dumb.
See the problem with that is all of the Luffy vs Kaido fight. Luffy started using Acoc and just didn't stop. He never showed any stamina issues from it either. What drained Zoro isn't Acoc, it is Emma.
That said, you may be onto to something here. Maybe Zoro hasn't mastered Emma and Acoc to the point here he can use Acoc without Emma draining insane amounts of Haki. Luffy shouldn't have that specific limitation, but the two of them took different paths to Acoc.
@@Yodah97 I think there was some stanina issues with luffy though, at least from my perspective, he said the Gear 4 he used before he was killed would be the “final attempt”. He was clearly tired and was dying, I think this is the excessive amount of coc but that’s just me.
@@SenorRobros Excessive Haki problem has always been a gear 4 issue for Luffy before.
@@SenorRobros That's a Gear 4th limitation. And everyone has a limit to how much haki they can use in general. Despite that, Luffy fought plenty with kaido with Advanced Armament and Gear 4th. He then unlocked Acoc. He got thrown off Onigashima and ate some food. That should restore his physical stamina, not his haki. He went back up, fought more in gear 4th, then fought more in base, then went final gear 4th. So it was a loooooooong battle before losing haki was even a concern.
Based on that, it seems that even if Acoc draws more stamina, it's not at a point where Luffy has to be super careful on when to use it. And it's not a form he needs to spend time going into. He could have easily tried one or two Acoc punches against the Seraphim to see what happened, for example, and then go back to regular armament if Acoc had no effect.
Also, you know what is confirmed to drain your stamina? Future sight! That's why Kaido didn't it use it all day long. And that's exactly what Luffy has been doing this arc. So if having that ability on all the time is fair game, is throwing one or two Acoc attacks here and there really that much to ask?
@@Yodah97 true true. That’s valid tbh, I just think that acoc is an ability that is so strong that it would make fights boring. I personally think an asura with acoc and Advanced ARNAMENT from Zoro, is killing and one shotting any character if it hits them spot on. But it’d make for boring fights if that’s what happened all the time.
it's inconsistent, at the end of the day i think it don't matter to oda that much, he's just using it out of obligation but he wants to focus on the story, bus for us who like powerscaling it sucks... haki is a good power system it's just that oda is not showing it on panels consistently how he should
At the end of the day, it is a battle shounen tho. Every conflict in the story ends with fighting only. SO there should be some form of consistency if not perfect. I can ignore this issue if Oda uses other methods to ends the major conflicts. But so far, it has always been thru fighting. Just my opinion.
I just assume that they use ac haki now because they passed the need to use aa haki together without ac haki.
I just think if they wanna make their punches, kicks or weapons to be potent they just coat in regular armament and ac. Maybe aa haki was really just the stepping stone to get ac haki so I think they just use that in combination with regular armament haki.
In the very end there are levels to haki. Maybe luffy and zoro are already at great levels with regular armament haki that they don’t need to use the advanced version since it’s just flowing more haki over their arms, body, legs and weapons.
Why would they need to let more haki flow for 2 types of haki when they can just use more haki of the stronger type? It doesn’t make sense to me that they would let so much haki flow for 2 types when haki is like a tank of water or gas or a battery. They need to use their resources wisely.
I think conquerors haki just leaks and that when attacking your will is put into your attack hence in like final moves b4 a charchter wins a fight there’s a lot of conquerors haki being used because all their will is being put into the attack
Common W vid.
Advanced Conquerors is becoming a big problem for the one piece scaling community and this could continue until EOS if not addressed.
Now, everyone has an excuse that “oh, he must be holding back because (insert haki type) wasn’t drawn.”
For me, that makes no sense whatsoever. Just because it isn’t drawn doesn’t mean it’s not being used since we know oda isn’t consistent when drawing haki anyways, not even just advanced conquerors. I mean, in 1092 alone, luffy grabbed kizaru but we didn’t see armament haki on his hand, does that mean he’s not using armament?
When it comes to haki, unless it makes sense for them to hold back, I don’t think we should assume they are holding back, we should just assume all types of haki they can use are being used.
you are right. luffy never uses it against kizaru and we dont know if hes using it or not, or just oda doesnt want to draw it, or is luffy just use average haki? thats confusing, oda needs a good explanation for us.
It makes the fight have less tension too
If i remember correctly if 2 conquerer haki users clash, the attacks dont touch but if one lacks conquerers haki while the other uses advanced conquerers haki then the attack will land since it does high damage and advanced armament haki destroys an object from the inside
But even with armament you can attack people without touching !
Shanks vs WB and kaido vs big mom. Their acoc attacks directly clashed and made contact.
@@mattc4266 then what about whitebeard and Roger
This might be a hot take but now that we fully know how conquerors works and have had some time to take it in, I feel it isn’t necessary
Since you can only be born a conqueror being one makes a characters feats look more like an expectation then an actual achievement, and having infusion being the more rare ability makes it even worse
Plus it only caused confusion and toxic debates among the fandom
I’m not gonna lie I’m getting tired of the unseriousness of G5. The eyes popping out is getting old and played out. Luffy seems goofy and easily tricked in G5. I was expecting G5 be overwhelming for most opponents.
Oda is inconsistent when it comes to fight he’s terrible at this point we gotta look at the fights in one piece like boxing the style make the fights
He always want to consider the enemies personality’s
same vibes ma brotha but kizaru will be violated and disrespected now that gear 5 titan transformation is activated
Oda has to really clarify this shit bro. its soo annoying and confusing
There’s no excuse for characters to not use that ability. It’s plot or maybe the ability let it flow was introduced too early
Ahh cmon bro, why nowww I just want to sleep. Good night my little kaizoku kings, will watch vid tomorrow😪🍑💨🗿
Goodnight my young padawan❤️
Honestly CoC haki is beginning to feel pointless since you could do the same thing with armament
But better
The only difference is that Acoc is more rare and only the strongest have it while advance armament us more common since sentamaru has it
I am getting bored of this back and forth trolling fight....
Both Luffy and Kizaru are just messing about without just going all in despite Luffy needs someone to protect and Kizaru needing/wanting to wrap it up...
It's getting boring having two top tiers just not taking each other seriously... Luffy took Kaido way more seriously even in gear 5 yet he isn't here when faced with another top tier...
Also Oda doesn't even know what to do with advanced conquerors at this point like so many times we see characters that have it just refuse to use it then other characters are in question whether they have it or not...
Like please give us some proper differences instead of seemingly thicker lightning like it's easier pointing out the difference between a ssj goku and a ssj2 goku then trying to guess whether someone is using advanced conquerors....
personally AcoC should be luffys goto strategy before trying G5. try G4 with AcOc At Least, and don't pull our G5 until Kizaru uses his or Acoc isn't enough, besides the other ay around, because Luffy has powerful CoC that he can use in base a lot longer than even G4
we have to just accept the use of haki, let alone Conquerors haki is super inconsistent in the application. You have to just accept it for what it is, to not go crazy.
Wow that's 2 uploads this week 😅 is this real?
Oda himself is confused about this
the real question is when is my boy sanji getting this shit lmao
For reals.
Like, Scopper Gaban fought Oden for three days straight. Oden, a know Conqueror. By that logic, Scopper Gaban should have it too.
Hope is still there for Sanji.
@@mohamedab9033 uh nope.. I don't want gaban Or sanji to have conquerors.. Just to prove everyone that a person doesn't need conquerors to b a top tier... Ffs I m tired of this conquerors meat riding... It's wayy too overhyped
@@mohamedab9033 I agree I still have hope!
@@preetham9641 Sorry but, the difference that Conqueror's now brings to the series is so vast that someone without it cannot compete with someone who has it.
It is just like Armament, but on crack.
@@mohamedab9033 I mean sanji already has exoskeleton.. Hinted to have lunarian dna... He just needs to unlock advance observation and advance armament.. And I don't think there's that huge gap between advance armament and advance conquerors.. Sure acoc is better version of advance armament but many fans just exaggerate the gap between them
I think luffy is using it but we don't see acoc(black lightning has nothing to do with it,it just to show the power of haki flowing or impact)
Ok now here me out
We know for a fact that haki is invisible and so is black lightning
Oda is just using black lightning for heavy moments not just COC necessarily
But how ever when ACOC is used shit won't touch each other and that's how we know ACOC is used
My guess is ACOC needs much more Stamina to use than G5 and that's why it's used rarely (not just by luffy) we already know for a fact from luffy and zoro that haki drains Stamina and if it's used too much it can potentially kill someone
i think it is doffy like thing when luffy and doffy clash conquerors haki was everywhere and we have seen law with different type of colored lightning right if I am not blind so there is a chance oda is using it classify each individuals haki like colour of the supreme king and then idk and you can't see all in black and white so that is my conclusion
Oda is just not that good a being consistent in the power levels, if any of the OG admiral has adv Coc, we're going to start a dialogue on why they did not use it in Marineford, or why Sengoku didn't, or why Rayleigh didn't at Sabaody etc etc.
The problem is Oda wrote himself into a corner by giving Luffy so many buffs during Wano. He had mastered all 3 forms of Haki & awakened his Devil Fruit. He was able to pretty much solo Kaido, so now every serious enemy needs to at least scale to Kaido - OR Luffy needs to be nerfed to fit the needs of the plot.
I don’t agree at all. We have left how many enemies, 3? BB, imu and shanks?
BB and imu are obviously going to be stronger than kaido, shanks is a toss up.
Kizaru for example does not have to be stronger than kaido, and he won’t be.
@@zobmixer9122 But Shanks, Imu and BB have to be stronger than Kaido, or there won't be any tension.
@@PlanetZoidstar Obviously they have, but it was a given from the very start that BB and Imu WILL be stronger, everyone knew it. So what's the problem??
It's not like suddenly some no name vice admiral will be stronger than kaido. BB and imu are built up to be stronger than him for a long long time.
@@zobmixer9122 The problem is Luffy has nowhere to go from here unless he unlocks yet another Gear. Or just makes his Haki stronger.
But then it will come down to sheer Powerscaling, which kind of goes against how Oda writes his fights.
That's more how Toriyama writes his fights, Goku beats the next villain by making his "Number" bigger than it was before. Rarely does it come down to creativity, tactics or outsmarting his enemies. He just gets a powerup and that's enough.
@@PlanetZoidstar
I do not agree with the fact that luffy has to go anywhere. We are in the final saga, he probably will get some haki boosts etc, but it won't be anything major like in the fight against kaido.
And it's not like BB and imu will be in another tier than kaido, they'll in my opinion will be relatively close to kaido. So i do not understand why would luffy need to get a big power ups in the final stretch of the story.
Gear 5 is the pinnacle of his df, it's literally the awakening. He'll keep making new funny attacks and ways to defeat opponents and haki will help him to do it.
The power scaling from db never had any ground in one piece, so i do not understand why would you think that "numbers" would suddenly start to matter.
Luffy can sense when his opponent's heart isn't in the fight. Maybe Luffy isn't taking him seriously because he knows Kizaru can't bring himself to kill Vegapunk. Maybe he can even sense that Kizaru wants Luffy to beat him.
Perhaps Luffy inferred all of this from Kizaru's initial attack. It's theorized that something similar happened between Kuzan and Garp at Hachinousu. Men speak with their fists. But to everyone watching, those words are never heard. IMO Garp could tell Kuzan's intentions were pure by the way he fought, and so decided to put himself in Kuzan's hands, in exchange for Koby.
In a similar way, I think Kizaru senses Luffy's pure intentions, and so will place himself in Luffy's hands, in exchange for Luffy saving Vegapunk. And this will be the stunning event that rocks the world. Luffy makes off with an Admiral and Vegapunk.
But in this scenario, Kizaru is trying to kill "apple gramps" like Luffy said. And we know how protective Luffy is.
@@onepieceyamato2901 If Luffy knows Kizaru's heart isn't in it, he might still ask him why he's doing it. That doesn't mean he hasn't sensed that Kizaru can't actually do it.
@@derrickmiles5240I think it’s more so the fact that luffy in gear 5 just tends to play around
Let's state the facts
Long black lighting in manga and black in anime =
1-advanced conquerors without touching
2-normal conquerors haki and advanced armament or normal armament haki clash time with touching (both fighters must have conquerors)
Short or long black lighting in manga but any other color but black in anime=
1-advanced armament (both weak and strong version)
2-normal armament (only short black lighting)
For a fact, zoro wasn't said to be using it advanced conquerors and could just be using advanced armament and normal conquerors haki alone, and king has conquerors haki (strong version)
I wonder how one piece twitter in Japan is reacting to all of this 😂
Kinda true
Please someone ask Oda clarification on sbs man 😭
Luffy's personality, he won't use excessive force and especially not with kids, he didn't expect them to be that strong but at the same time going all out with punches against kids is just not apart of who the guy is, you won't find Zoro doing that shit either. Luffy has no reason to use conqueror's haki against Kizaru currently, they were stalemating with snakeman until Kizaru kicked him so power was never an issue its speed and durability. Luffy is not the type of person to keep a grudge against Kizaru, he doesn't care if he almost wiped his crew out Luffy can also sense the intent of other fighters and adjust his fighting style, I think Luffy senses some conflict with Kizaru and rn he has no reason to go all out and defeat him.
Right now Kizaru is a serious threat, maybe not for Luffy personally, but for his crew he is. He could've killed Usopp while Luffy was distracted, can you imagine if he did just that? It would be Luffy's entire fault for not going all out since the beginning.
I respectfully disagree. Imo Luffy has all the reasons to use it against kizaru. I remember back in sabaody, the moment a pacifista showed up (at the time they thought it was kuma) luffy literally says "I know you're a warlord so I will go all out from the get go" and went straight to g2. Considering his experience with kizaru and the fact that kizaru nearly whipped them out once, luffy holding a grudge or not should be irrelevant, because of the level of threat kizaru represents for his crew. luffy should be trying to stop kizaru as much as he can. The only explanation would be that he is buying time for the rest to prep the escape, but that's not even clear here. Kizaru literally had ussop by the neck in that chapter, how is that any different than when he nearly killed zoro with a light kick?? It just makes no sense imo.
@@dalton2845totally agree with u
Finally someone who has sense and not being like ONG its conformed the the Admirals are has strong as the yanko
How can zoro light up his swords? Is it real fire or is just for us to visualize that he’s in a stronger version 🧐?
real hell flames
It doesn't matter too much in the end
One thing The OP community needs to chill on since The topic Of advance Conquers came into the mix people just forgot other abilities exist always making claims on characters using it when they forget it’s more of trump card
If Luffy uses advanced conq it'll be one sided, keep in mind luffy with g4 (without advanced conq) couldn't even damage Kaido even while using Advanced Arm. When he uses Advanced Conq even in base Luffy is doing much more damage and better matching kaido almost blow for blow. Luffy is clearly holding just like he did against Rob Lucci.
My Explanation For Zoro Is, Enma Has Conqueror’s Haki But That’s Because Enma Has Oden’s Haki Or Sun Shit Like That Idk
advanced coc isnt commanded, just used when the conquerors will is imposed. thats how i see it. luffy had to conquer kaido to advance, same as zoro. big mom was defending her beliefs against page one "even in piracy some things are right" when conviction is high adv coc comes out
It’s crazy how this is such a big problem right now when Oda going into it would have had the easiest out in the world. Black Lightning=Conquerors. That was established in the Doffy fight but then he gave a bunch of people who don’t have it black lightning effects. At least with Kizaru vs Luffy we have an easier solution where no black lightning has arrived in either end yet, but between Zoro, Coby, Aokiji, etc I’m just so sick of this. It might turn out like FS where we will never know unless Oda has a character say they are using it.
There’s sometimes it’s obvious to me like KOH=ACOC and Snakeman=FS but other than those very distinct forms (Zoro fans stay coping) we just have nothing.
Honestly. How else are we gonna clown the Zoro meat riders if KOH mode doesn't equal AC while fighting Lucci😡😂????
ZORO FANS GET HIM!!! HE SPOKE ABOUT YOUR TRIBAL LEADER
@@SuperiorI.Qah shit, here comes the 50+ comment thread.
@@maliklofton9148ong between Oda doing Luffy like how he did BM and this… I’m gonna keep at least something simple Haki wise 😭
@@kingrippzard2027 I love Oda but look what he's done to us😭😭😭 we're power scaling scribbles LMAO
Baby Black lightning 🔛 🔝
😂😂I trademark that
Eos they gon fuck around and start using advanced coc haki susanoo's
Hakiman 😭😭😭
@@animoments8969 Them Hakiman memes Gon end up being true 😭
“Haki > everything” - Kaido
I do not understand why Garp would be holding back. Luffy vs Kizaru, i kinda understand this neither of them want to fight each other and neither are there objectives to actually defeat the other. But Luffy literally has a technique that requires less stamina than gear 4 and refuses to use advanced conquer's Haki. To just end the conflict sooner than having to fight Kizaru. Im gonna go over Garp just blatantly pulling his punches on Kuzan because they BOTH held back.
With garp he has valid reasons akiji was his student and he still clearly cares for him at least a little
Haki was basically more interesting and more diverse before act 4 wano, you could be a armament to observation master and possibly be top tier throw in with the best of the best, now after act 4 wano it is basically a requirment to have conqueror`s to be at the top tiers fights, and it is spoiling fighters and their abilities , now we know every top tier has it since it is a requirement to do any kind of damage to them.
To make it worse conquerors you can`t train your born with it, a stark and similar contrast to how a celestial dragon are born not made ,and not everybody has it , and it just sends the wrong message that i didn`t expect One piece to send, turns it into a similar class base system that One piece portrayed celestial dragons on, class base system where if you have it your "God like " and if you don`t well you shouldn`t hope to be the "strongest" or be at the top level of the world chasing you dream or you need someone that has it to chase your dream.
Luffy to me esentially died to Kaido and Joyboy took over as that is what esentially was done to his character, even Zuneshia called it, the mesiah trope/ reincarnation /the same powers /nothing original /not being you own person killed Luffy for me, this is why i respect more a character like Roger as he is his own character. And it also doubles down on a class base system that tells us that you can`t really make it in the OP world at that level unless you are the reincarnation of the messiah with the creme de la creme DF.
Conquerors coating might need more mastering than Luffy and zoro have right now
Yeah. These black lightnings are confusing till the point that you dont even know what Oda tries to show. Like, we had clash of Buggy & Mr.3 and what? Was it aсос, ryou or simple armament? No one knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm gonna be honest I just think people look way too deep into these panels and are too focused on what kind of haki is being used to me I feel like since all 3 forms of haki have been revealed I feel as if though Its really just implied that characters just use all their haki capabilities within the fight cause the difference between haki and other power sources is that its not really a resource like chakra or ki when you have haki you just kinda have it we have been shown little to no cases of characters being tired because of using haki besides things like gear 4 which you can argue luffy isnt tired because of the haki use but the whole form itself and enma which is literally a cursed sword and when your stamina is low its hard to use anything in general but I dont know just my opinion on the matter when it comes to haki but a easy solution to this would be restrict arm haki to the black coating we see on peoples arms and stuff or have the ryuo effect thats fine. all use of conq haki will have the black lightning and for haki clashes without conq it should be white lightning with a black outline or sum