LIVE Narcissism Therapy Session | Evaluation
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In this video, psychologist and narcissism expert, Dr. Ramani Durvasula, hosts a live therapy session with MedCircle host, Kyle Kittleson, to give an inside look at how she goes about diagnosing a narcissist. Not only does this discussion shed light on narcissist traits, what goes into diagnosing a narcissist, and how to spot a narcissist; it also sheds valuable insight into a therapy session.
Dr. Ramani also answers:
How long does it take to accurately diagnose a narcissist?
What's the difference between narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) and narcissism?
What personality traits are weighed more when diagnosing someone with NPD or narcissism?
What can someone do to practice empathy and emotionality?
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Kyle's reactions (in the past that he describes) and style of being in a relationship seem more a cultural difference to me than some kind of narcissism or selfishness. Add to that, men with lots of extra testosterone are not going to be as warm, fuzzy, touchy-feely. Testosterone makes men feel like they can get out there are slay those dragons every day, and it keeps them in a mindset of "getting the job done, gotta get it done, gotta concentrate, don't break my concentration." Artists need to be left alone in their creative mode and cannot take interruptions, it's hard for them. I view the video making part of Kyle's career as being a highly creative process. Some of it -- and I'm going on a lifetime of experience and of paying attention to myself and others for the last 60+ years -- is just plain habit, and if we are brought up in a family that is more formal and not so cuddly or demonstrative, it doesn't mean the person is narcissistic or selfish, it just means they are not practiced at being as demonstrative as others, therefore not as comfortable in that mode. A lot of what we do in life, the way we turn out is "monkey see, monkey do." Kyle, or others similar to Kyle, might need more time to process, and demands for attention to tend to the emotional needs of others when it hasn't been "scheduled" may feel like being held hostage for an undetermined amount of time. For example at a theme park, people will stand in line for a ride for hours if they know exactly how long it will take to get to the front of the line. BUT ask them to stand in line with no information about how long it will take, and they will refuse to stand in the line.
MedCircle can we please discuss the sexual narcissist?? Many women / men are dealing with this and need help!! Please
Agree with Matalynn, on that or Pervert Narcissist. I'm sure atleast a few people will be able to benefit from that
My mom n ex bestie
@@matalynnwhite1006 Dr. Todd Grande discusses sexual narcissism. MedCircle is quackery.
When I suspect I know someone that’s a narcissist so I google this video, then I start to think what if I’m the narcissist.....
I don't know you but taking your comment at face value I would say given the fact that you are questioning yourself, looking inwards, that you're not a narcissist. The narcissist doesn't look inwards or self reflect on their behaviours. Years of gaslighting can make you feel like you are the narcissist, it's because you have suffered blame for THEIR behaviours.
@@sharon9270 great point Sharon. I too feel that way at times and look inward to make sure.
You might have some narcissistic qualities but not necessarily be one
Same
Sand here.
The best way to find out if someone is lying, ask the same question in different ways. Liars are inconsistent in their answers.
Let me correct you. BAD liars are inconsistent in their answers.*
No liar can keep track of previous lies so they become tangled in the web of deceit they created. Dishonesty will always be revealed eventually.
This can be viewed as a form of GASLIGHTING. My Narc tried to do this to me by asking me something several ways to determine if I was lying. The only time I'm taking the Psychological Assessment or Assay Test is when I'm seeking employment. This is also INSULTING! I bet you wouldn't like it if I CONSTANTLY asked you questions several different ways to determine if you were lying about something.
@@ysmithriley why are you owning the narc? You are saying “my narc” lol
@@doreeno475 IT'S A TERM OF ENDEARMENT! He's mine and mine ALONE. 🤣
He's not a narc. We all have narcissistic traits and moments. Being very self aware of your flaws and conscious of your behavior is a sign of intelligence. He's just an imperfect person, like all of us.
@Adam nas x said the same lol 😂 💯🙏🏿
It seems like he is on the spectrum with regards to his comfort level with giving and receiving affection.
I heard any survival responses or modes are narcissistic because only important thing is self preservation but that doesn't mean someone has npd
Self awareness doesn't mean that he isn't a narcissist. Plus he's already in therapy. Maybe he was before...anyway
Relentlessly pursuing whatever his goals are and exploiting others to achieve this is actually high machiavellian behavior. Emotional cold he is definitely. I wouldn't wonder if he is scoring high on dark triad behavior. Lol. 100% he's controlling AF.
You might not understand what a narcissist is.
Knowledge is power. I am sitting here drinking coffee and watching this educational post. I feel so grateful that as a seventy-five-year-old woman that I am so unbelievably thankful that this format is available to all of us who love psychology and love to learn. Thank you Doctor Ramani and Kyle. You are saving lives, literally and figuratively. Thank you for Being, you are Enough.
Love your comment! Very thoughtful and inspiring!
They are more than enough, even some of the most useless souls are enough. They just started with way less ❤️
Amen!
"In order to love people we sometimes have to do things that don't feel comfortable to us because that is love.
" - Dr. Ramani
Careful with that though.
Watt Ng All day every day.
What about w a narc???
@@angelinh.5774 people should focus on the sometimes. And not feeling confortable != abused
Watt Ng This is true as long as
a.) you don't lose yourself in the process
and
b.) the other person does the same for you.
Give and take.
If you just give, give, give and the other person just sits there on the couch, doesn't do anything, but burps and naps, what is the point? Why stay for half-love?
Why stay in abuse?
The most successful people in life, imo, are the ones at peace with themselves. They don't need anyone else's validation nor do they wish harm or unhappiness for others.
sounds like one of the best definitions of success I've read.
My goal.
@Tina 👍Agree💯
wow, i want to think about sucess the same way. my definition right now is really bad. money and girls.
Yea I'm sure the top 0,1% of humanity are like that....not.
Most interesting to me was when he said he no longer yells at customer service people on phone calls. He said the reason he stopped is because it didn't work, not that he felt bad. At no point did he actually display any concern for the feelings of those on the other end of the phone and the impact he might have had on them.
Sorry, but if you're lousy at your job you deserve to be yelled at. Wtf...
He is actually too nice.
@@mirabella2154 there is nothing that excuses abusing people.
@@linden5165 That's not "abusing". That's an adequate reaction to you being a failure. Do your f****** job.
Same!!! I was thinking the same thing, was thinking if i should comment or not then i saaw this. My thoughts exactly.
That was the interesting part for me too... That he didn't stop berating them because he felt bad for them, but because it didn't help get HIM anywhere faster. He realised be was wasting his energy and wanted to preserve it. Having worked in a call centre for several years, I know what it's like to be berated and abused for something that is not your fault... The person who answers the call for the organisation usually is paid the lowest out of that organisation and the fault is with the higher paid who use you as a meat shield and avoid dealing with angry customers. It was such a draining and soul destroying job. So his answer was very interesting to me.
The first three minutes of this (and I will come back to watch the rest) sound like Dismissive Avoidant Attachment Style! (Not narcissism, not a diagnosis, just the result of subtle and consistent trauma in childhood)
I admire Kyle for being so open!
That's what I was thinking...oh and you know your stuff! Love your channel! I have had so many keyboard warriors tell me I am with a narcissist, but I know he is a DA...and I have learned to evolve around that as has he. But this narc talk..wow it does seem similar as the way this guy explains it. But Narcs are dangerous! This guy has empathy, but that leads me to believe he is not a Narc, he probably is a DA
This is not the type of narcissism I've been exposed to. Not even close. Waaaay too reflective.
@@wellnesspathforme6236 the verdict was he was not a narcissist...not even close, not even a smidge!
Some people are just not very touchy freely. In my experience when people who are less forthcoming do form and express emotional attachments they are far more sincere and meaningful.
Same thing I was thinking!
i am gonna be honest she inspires me to become a psychologist
same here
Yes, the only inspiring therapist! And I've worked with several over a lifetime.
She is inspirational!
Me too ! She's the best ! Luv her to pieces ! She's like my ypunger sis !
Yeah😍😍😍
Me too!
I have so much respect for Kyle.. the fact that he was actually open enough, even after all the sh*tty comments people have left, to tackle this issue in such a public way is very inspiring and humbling. Thank you Kyle!!!! Everybody communicates differently. I appreciate your work :)
Is he a celebrity or something? I didn't see a last time to Google it...
NVM, I found him! 😊
Respect to this guy. He is good for the job so he can help others. Nothing wrong with men wanting success, empathizing with others, being open minded and vulnerable, and working to better the world.
Yes and their are sooo many bad things about narcissism that it’s confusing. I’ve even been called a narcissist.
If he is a real narcissist he will not care what comments people leave
I shuddered when he talked about being emotionally incapable of giving what she needed. I dated ‘that guy’ who sucked love but didn’t give it. He walked in front of me. Said ‘I don’t hold hands. Get used to it’. It destroyed my heart v
@@shawnmendrek3544 it baffled me. For the first while I thought he was just teasing/joking with me.
After about 3 years I told him to get out of my life. He showed up crying on my porch with 2 dozen red roses to propose. I shut the door on him. No.
@@katharineharrison9091 So glad you kicked him to the curb and had the strength to avoid his attempt to hoover you back in! Good for you and I hope anyone in your future is better to you.
@@prettyevil6662000 thank you. If only I had known what are narcissistic traits earlier I would have exited sooner. Now my radar is strong!!!
Yeahh I can't be with a guy like that.....they may make great coworkers or business partners and be even very professional but not a great relationship partner because that emotional connection element is gonna be missing.
Pretty sure it was a “he” not a she but yeah sounds awful
He’s so right, talking about feelings seems very hard for him. It takes at least 4 questions of Dr Ramani to get a feeling. Maybe even recognizing them is hard? I can totally relate.
But something seems off, like he is trying to say the right thing. Maybe it’s just me 🤷🏻♀️
I saw that, too. I wasn't able to identify it until you wrote it. He did seem to be trying to say what was socially acceptable rather than his true thoughts. I just picked this up intuitively--can't say how I got this impression. Who knows if it's right.
There were simply too many "transparency, honesty" kind of words that were off-putting. At some point even he realized he was trying too hard to be honest and made a joke about it. Only after that he started to sound more genuine as in his other videos. But that's highly understandable given that millions will be watching
No, i did not get that at all. I think he's quite sincere
@@janedoe3648I have to respectfully disagree.
Belive it in your gut your gut never lies I felt it too he might just hide but we need to follow our gut feelings always that's what narcists doo to belive in there world 🌎 of only them in this world
Dr. Ramani
Exactly my thoughts!
@@sophiamartinez6288 Cool! :)
Much agreed - and good luck with your clinical training
@@drppr76 Aww thank you so much! Still 1 1/2 years to go :)
Whose the narcissist that liked this comment?
I have heard narcissist quote this "Everyone's responsible for their own happiness in a relationship" as a way to actually avoid taking in the emotional responsibility that it takes to actually be in a relationship.
This is good stuff right here
Yeah but the problem is that narcissists will also suggest that you need to be responsible for their emotions too, especially if it's a covert narc. The remedy is not to ascribe any sayings or wisdoms to narcissists because they use everything to be toxic with you.
Taking responsibility for your own happiness is very healthy when it's interpreted in a healthy way. Don't dump responsibility onto your partner but also don't deny your partner their rights and the things you agreed to provide for each other. Narcs demand your emotional participation to the point of being drained to death. They demand your blood.
I second that. The problem is they don't see that they can be responsible for someone's misery, like my ex would say that, and I'd say, yes, I am happy alone, but our relationships have an effect on us...
YES
Ah, yes. I didn't listen to my sister when she said clearly, I lose interest when people are in trouble, you are the older one, so don't expect me to stick around when our parents get older. She said it and i didn't want to believe it.
Kyle is the only presenter that shows his self in 3D with real human qualities, not just a robot who just does interviews. You're doing great at this job.
"Being successful is having the freedom to do what you want to do, and have it feel like it's the thing that you should be doing." Love that definition!
Oh God when she said "the 53rd time might be excessive for you, but sometimes they need to talk about it 150 time before letting it go", idk how to describe it but I feel like that's so amazing
True. I just think, that a narcissitic person, wouldn't be interested in the first 52 times. Like, I think there are a lot of people out there, that would get fatigued before 150. We certainly need the world to be more patient and understanding.
I feel you can look at this differently. For example I struggle with having boundaries. I have relationships with people who tend to lean on me because I am an empathic, but also I am a people pleaser. For me to learn to set boundaries sometimes I need to stop a person for leaning on my shoulder or telling me about the same problem 53 times to protect myself from getting "drained". So I think sometimes you need to put yourself first, too. I also think there is a difference when someone is struggling but fighting, working on theirselves, working on their problems, getting different views on their problems, developing and you talk about this a lot. Or if someone is wallowing in self-pity. Then it is not your responsibility to lift this person up every time. Then you should help that person to get help. But boundaries are really important and I think there is nothing wrong with setting them (even if I do struggle with setting them).
@@eduards.906 I did that with my narc sister..she drains me so I sent her to therapy! 👍🙄
@@starseed8809 I totally get that :-D
I feel like at a certain point it’s emotional dumping tho.
Her questions are so obvious to me. If a narcissist was smart they could easily answer what she wants to hear.
and they do. they can manipulate people around easily. they are smart and know that it is good to appear as an empath...
@Max2020 I wonder why your reply is Highlighted... :-) And these 2 work with and for each-other so the therapist is already BIAS. She should not be the one interviewing him. She is also feeling uncomfortable as her own body language indicates. Just some facts ;-)
I agree. A narcisist knowing that thousands of people would watch this, he could be manipulative. She was very smart no to hurt him in front of thousands of people, but she was very clear that she left the door open to see a RED FLAG and analyze it. She said that she had a narcissistic patient that took her months to see the first glimpse of the narcissistic personality. I cannot say that he is narcissistic, but I saw more than one RED FLAG. That is for sure.
@Max2020 Thank you for submitting your excellent, thoughtfull, & informative discussion-
"Trust your gut" has saved me many, many times- and, perhaps is the best & most accurate defense when dealing with either known or unidentified danger.
@@TofP556
Yes. Proper analysis takes time, patience and exceptional skill.
Individuals who fall somewhere on the spectrum of Borderline Personality Disorders, will need a therapist/ Psychiatrist capable and experienced with not only the complex variations of psychopathology, narcissism, BPD's etc, but, also someone very skilled to cut through all the BS that gets thrown up as a distraction to manipulate, confuse and control the situation.
Thank you as well for your particular insight & thoughtful contribution to this incredible comment/post discussion.
Having a narcissistic mother and other horrible experiences, I can see that this person is not a narcissist. Narcissists are much more superficial and don't go this deep when they speak about themselves and other people. He does not have that unidimensional world that narcissists have. Also, he is not paranoid like narcissists who would definitely fear this type of interaction.
He might just be better at hiding it, and lives being perceived as ‘intelligent’ so narcissism is at higher level expressiveness…
@@dantescave1 putting on a facade in front of the camera
Narcs can pretend to be deep and give fake answers in order to appear good. Not saying he is one but just a perspective.
No, he's just not like the narcissistic person you're comparing him to. There's a spectrum.
Kyle doesn’t sound narcissistic to me, but relatively healthy given his willingness to focus on self-improvement and undergo therapy. His level of self-awareness and ability to take feedback, even admitting to feeling jealous at times, reveals a level of self-awareness that some do not possess. He appears honest & forthright, admitting that he’s limited in using the Love Language of verbal praise which does not equal lack of empathy.
I want to see an interview with someone that has been diagnosed as a narcissist. (if the person actually agreed to be recorded of course)
The Sam Vaknin interview
@@sstaikou which one? Link?
@@aerynb8738 and Sam Vaknin's channel. th-cam.com/users/samvaknin Priceless!
@@aerynb8738 this one too th-cam.com/video/DAsVHeI1C6k/w-d-xo.html
I saw one with a diagnosed psycho
You will always feel alone when your involved with a narcissist..
You are not the only one.
Same here...
Yep! Exactly how it feels. Better to be alone :)
well said. I remember telling my family..even though we are together I feel like I'm alone emotionally.
And sad.
The fact at the end he said that he really hates when someone tells him about their life on the plane and how he hates having to listen because it isn't important and how he also ends up doing it to friends, really makes me feel he is narcissistic. Since narcissists have a hard time giving attention to others without getting anything out of it.
Yeah, when Kyle answered the definition of success question, I knew he failed the narcissist test. Great session. Thank you both for your dedication and contributions to mental health. I am a therapist and I get a lot from these mock sessions. Would live to have Dr. Ramani as my therapist.
Same. He said he would have to know someone and that was like oh yup
Why?@@spacebar9733
The NPD person in my life would answer all of these questions in a convincingly humble way. And not because they would purposefully be lying, but because they truly conceptualize themselves that way. NOT to imply that the gentleman here has NPD, as I know very little about him and never got that impression personally. But watching this video made it very apparent why people with pathological narcissism slip under the radar of professionals. For example, when she asks him if he expects recognition for the things he does. The NPD individual in my life would say something like "No. I do what I do because I feel it should be done, and I love doing it." But in reality, she'll have a bombastic meltdown if not enough people complimented her on the dish she brought to Thanksgiving, or she'll hold her lack of recognition from you against you for months and use it as ammunition later.
Exactly. I'm glad someone else can see this.
Another clue was:
- Do you ever rage?
+ No.
- How about on the phone to customer service?
+ Oh god yeah, I used to rage a lot
- Why dd you stop?
+ It wasn't helping *me*.
Also, with my own NPD ex... let's say she sent a text message saying "be here at 1:30" and I got there at 1:15, she might rage at me for not being there at 1:00. At first she'd insist I was late and the text said 1:00, then if I showed her the text she'd say, "I clearly meant 1:00, everyone knows you shouldn't leave things till the last minute". If I then pointed out "your communication could have been more clear" she'd have raged more, walked out and disappeared for a week, ignoring my calls and discarding the friendship.
Here's the kicker though: she would say something like, "Yeah, I think I'm very empathic. Like, if I feel as though someone's consistently failing to respect my boundaries, sure I'll listen to them and try to understand what's going on in their lives but I do believe there's only so far you should go. So at some point, yes, I will cut out people who I believe are toxic and damaging to my life".
And the listener would imagine she was genuinely the one who suffered the toxicity.
The thing is, she genuinely believed she had suffered. If she felt pain because her imagination said someone was late, she would genuinely perceive that person as being abusive, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
She would also have perceived my comment about "your communication could have been more clear" as gaslighting because, in her head, that was me turning something that was undeniably *my* error back on her and trying to make it seem like it was her fault.
Her suffering was genuine, just as mine was. She didn't "fool" anyone, they just accepted her in her reality.
This is *SO TRUE!*
@@williamwatson1829 sounds more like BPD (borderline personality disorder)
@@bodyofhope I was distracted by the BPD red herring for quite a while too but it never quite fitted. Covert narcissism was where it was at in the end with this girl - and it fitted like a glove.
The two are strangely similar and yet painfully different.
And thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
@@bodyofhope Actually, now I think about it, my description above was more of a blend of the behaviours of various ex's.
And so you're right, my description has lots of BPDness in it. Well spotted. It's probably more BPD than NPD.
With the NPD girl I'd say something totally innocuous like, "Would you rather go ahead or wait for me?" and then she'd just go furiously silent. I'd ask her what she'd heard me say cos she must have misheard it and she'd just get up and leave, send me a furious text telling me it was all over, that she'd blocked me and I was to never contact her again.
It was only a couple of week's later when she'd finally calmed down that we'd have some bizarre discussion where our "facts" didn't seem to quite match.
It always made sense to her that she was right to be angry at the time... it's just that she'd decided to do the noble thing and move on from it.
Difficult times.
When we hear someone's emotions, we are simply saying, "I will be a witness to your journey, you matter to me." It is a powerful gift to give and receive.
Why do so few people understand this?
LOVE IT! THank you for sharing your message, Red Barn Homestead. I will remember that!
@@nocando89 maybe they never had it growing up, so it feels unusual, unnatural to them.
His body language around the questions. Its very defensive and protective. It relaxes when interview is over.
My Dad was a narcissist. I remember feeling sorry for him that he did not know about love as I did. That put me at an advantage over him which I used to get through my needing an un-present Father. I was 5. Kids will use their imagination until they get out from under that roof.
Being in a relationship w a narcissist for 30 yrs, I can honestly say, I too, could be that person on the plane who can’t deal with the emotions of others. I found I had SO much or my own emotional drama/baggage, that I couldn’t find space for more emotional drama..... As I heal, my heart is opening up more and enabling me to give perspective to those in similar situations.....
I feel like this too. I'm not that great at holding other people and nourishing them for an extended amount of time even when they want it from me because I have enough issue carrying my own emotional baggage and I feel like I can't take on more. So I guess that part of me is narcacistic. Sure I'll try to practice it more but I always feel emotionally depleted afterward. :/
This is what kunal in bhootiyan kaniya
He seems like the kind of guy who does things because “that’s what’s supposed to happen” instead of him truly believing it’s the right thing to do
He was right sometimes though.. it's fcking annoying that some people ALWAYS want to "1-up" anything. The people who change the topic just because they want to be the center. "My mother just died"... "OH you should hear when ny dad died 40 years ago.. ".. and then continues 100% talking about that.
Lars, Like what you just did?
@@LarsRyeJeppesen that being said some people do mention similar experiences to yours to make it valid when they try to ask questions about your situation because they want you to know they're coming from a place of understanding. You really need to listen to the follow up, tone, and know the person well enough to know if 1-uping people is their MO or if they just care.
1-upers are annoying, being accused of being a jerk for 1-uping when you're trying to create a "safe space" so to speak is just infuriating.
Not sure how I "1-upped" the original comment? I just said that it's not easy to be a good listenener to a person you know will redirect anything they hear, to something centered around themselves. It does test the patience at times. Just my opinion.
@@brattrox2939 Yes, totally agree - it's a fine line and hard to define.
Oh this was such a good segment. They need to do more simulations like this, I just realised how much I love watching Dr. Ramani work, and Kyle too obviously.
This is amazing. Never seen a host go this far with themselves and their place on their platform. So much love for this human.
When people say, “I’m just going to honest” or “I’ll be transparent” I feel like the exact opposite occurs.
Wendie, Agreed ! ... Here's my assessment ...4:50 in response to "how important are those compliments .." The subject responds with a quick succession of poking his tongue out , (indicative of contradicting his words )..Body language betrays a certain amount of veiled disdain regarding this particular question ...
Seconds later he states " I'll be very transparent " 4:52 yet, at the same time, his head moves, quite emphatically, from side to side, with a categorical, "No! " ..Body language reveals an obvious lack of candor here ...
11: 49 " yeah the person who is walking out of an expensive car is more successful than a person on the street ..."
Such ideology strikes me as someone with a somewhat glib, shallow outlook on life. A personality devoid of any real depth of character...This derth of insight might not point, necessarily to narcissistic personality disorder, however, such want of perception, surely betrays a certain superficiality of character. Someone lacking in higher awareness which is indicative of someone with narcissistic tendencies, wouldn't you say ?
Again, when asked, " Has rage ever been a problem for you ? " 14:30 The subject denies that it has , however , 15:25 he goes on to state that 10 years ago he would have been irate, screaming, yelling.. In my opinion, such response, does, come across as somewhat of an over the top reaction to have during a brief customer service call ...Oh well ...
stormwings1 I wholeheartedly agree. It seemed like his answers were “too perfect” and some were just...so quick! This seemed prepared, scripted, rehearsed. The 11:49 moment particularly jumped out at me, too.
Well actually thats usually a sign that they arent always honest, if they have to call out they are being honest THIS TIME, then what about all the other times
I think there's two forms, misdirection and buffering. One aims to obscure the truth, the other aims to provide a lead in, and frame, where you can soften its blow. The latter is a matter of control as you're biasing the listener's perception towards a more personal, and vulnerability level, such that they're less likely to react strongly. If they do react strongly, the frame has been established where your internal world can be selectively leveraged and weaponized as supporting evidence, and thus you can bring in the more abstract ideas about human existence. Which again, provides the illusion of personal presence and vulnerability, when in fact there is very little. It can be very powerful for the risk-averse.
But if you pay attention to the context (which is revealing himself about his business strategy in front of his viewers), "let's be honest" and "I'll be transparent" are something that you would say, because businesses/business(wo)men usually aren't comfortable in revealing their trade.
I knew a narcissist that used the word ‘transparant’ a LOT. He was so transparent he never heard what I was really saying and was never there for people when they needed him. THANKS BRUNO. (lol)
*cough* jeffree star *cough*
Not me sitting here grinning at the end, awwwww. It’s always really nice to see people take ownership over their lives like this 😊 this is why I always feel better after a therapy session, brings back that feeling of comfort that there’s something I can do to help myself.
I love the transparency in this discussion. Kyle and Dr. Ramani are soo awesome and relatable 💜
The way she holds back when he says all rich people have made good financial decisions and all homeless people have made poor financial decisions. I’m guessing therapists are use to holding back when clients say their opinions
He's also admitted that he's been doubtful about the existence of ADHD in the past (in another (newer?) video), so he's definitely open to being corrected. I suspect what's at play here is a common item of cultural indoctrination that we all know too well: The idea that everyone, at the fundamental level, is of the same boilerplate, and if someone deviates from that, they're "being bad". It's a very convenient way of excusing away the struggles of those who don't mesh well with society's rules for the game of resources, easing the burden of neglecting people in need of accommodations and making it easier to procrastinate a change of rules.
Now, I'm not saying that he's entertaining these notions consciously, but rather that, like so many, he seems to have fallen victim to our culture of strife in his thinking.
THANK YOU !!!📢 I noticed that too and I was like oop 🤭
That must’ve been hard to hold back. I wanted her to educate him but I understand it wouldn’t have been appropriate.
Not every homeless person has made poor decisions and not every rich person has made good ones, period!!!
@@christianknuchel soo well put.
Yeah those heirs and heiresses really made great financial decisions to be born into money 😆
@@sarzootashoota351 yeah.. they are lucky.. maybe. But why care about them or their money. One needs money to have a good life.,but after a certain point it's really just too much. And you can't have normalcy anymore. A fulfilling life isn't anymore, even with that much money, then
I love watching her as a therapist. She never misses a beat, no matter what he says. She is integrating everything he says and inwardly compiling a picture of this "new client". I love how she effortlessly asks the questions in a conversational manner that is pleasant. Her subtle ability to ask and receive is inspiring without it seeming like an interrogation. Wonderful therapist.
West Indian doctors suck! Lol as most people from India that came too America are monet motivated narcissist themselves. Therapy isn't meant to be an interrogation. It's supposed too be at there own pace , not overwhelming emotionally without the correction. Real Therapy works at seeing how one moves and moving with them patiently. Hence the word patient.
This video is so fascinating. I watched it a year ago and was very confused by it, but have learned so much since then. Now, it's so clear that Kyle is high functioning but very narcissistic. He is educated enough to know the "right" answers. Narcissists don't want to be unmasked and they are more than capable of pretending. Kyle is pretending but clearly does not have empathy. It's fascinating to see that Dr. Ramani seems to not see it. I don't question her empathy and sincerity. It's fascinating because as knowledgeable as she is, she cannot bring herself to see it. He may not have NPD, because he's functional and his lack of empathy does not seem to be affecting his life in a negative way, but I would bet he's caused a lot of pain for others. Empaths are probably drawn to him and he cannot truly reciprocate the feelings, etc . He's not "evil" because he cares enough about his curated image as a "normal" "healthy" person to behave and conduct himself somewhat like an empathic person. I do also appreciate his courage. But, ultimately the video is a real disservice. I was struggling to understand narcissists and still am. For folks that are watching this and feeling confused, your gut is right. Start trusting your gut, but also keep learning more. You'll start to understand it deeply. If your empathic, youve got to really learn how to see through the act of those that lack it, be real with yourself about the attraction to such people, and really understand that they are truly different, and will never feel the things you do.
I watched it a long time ago as well. I don't think he has npd but he isn't someone I'd want to hang out with. He comes across as high in some negative narc style traits and avoidance p.d. I'd be uncomfortable around him, he would raise red flags for me. Depends if he can let his barriers down but I'm not keen on his ideas on what success is nor his time limited empathy. Not someone I'd want to share with. He has traits and I suspect he has empathy but can be very judgemental
This man reminds me of my oldest child, who is intellectually gifted. Therapy is useful for those who are incredibly intelligent, in that it helps them reevaluate how they interact with others. However, they’re so smart, they can see where the therapist is going and actually enjoy outwitting their attempts to diagnose issues. They will play verbally with the therapist’s best attempts to do therapy. They will reveal whatever they want and hide what they want. Not a narcissist, just incredibly smart. This gentleman, if assessed intellectually, would score highly in verbal reasoning.
To really put a Narc on the spot, you need to have friends, ex- friend's, family or ex -conworkers brought in.
Very true because most narcissists will manipulate the truth if alone to paint themselves as the good guy.
Lost BorderlineSoul 👏 So well said and so true.
Damn like an addict reunion
So true, so true. When a light is shone on them and they are put on blast,they can hide it so well. You would think the victim is lying or making it up in their heads. But in a setting where they are secretly recorded with family, friends and co workers,that's when they truly shine in their true colours.
I think exes, for sure! I feel like every narcissist I've dated had manipulated their friends and family, and reserved their cruelty for girlfriends. I think exes are essential to talk to!
Shout out to Kyle for putting himself in the spotlight! That takes some balls to be evaluated on such a public scale
The live therapy sessions are SO helpful. Thank you for being willing to do these!
I’m surprised she didn’t mention how he admitted to screaming and yelling and being irate at a customer service agent… after he just said he’s never struggled w rage. Treating customer service that way is not normal at all
Man! She's good.
Yes!!! I am loving watching her do this!
I really enjoyed this video. I think I have some issues now.
Kim lol okay Kim, I’m sure you’re an expert
She is good
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Having a parent who most likely is a narcissist I must say that they can be hard to expose in this kind of setting and situation. My patent is highly intelligent and can put on this persona who would say and answer questions like these in this way ... but when a narcissist isn’t prepared/knows all eyes are on him/her, is living life (more behind the scenes) that is when they can be observed and more easily revealed.
I can’t say if this person is a narcissist or not, because I don’t even know who he is, but I want to highlight how extremely well spoken some people with complex personality disorders can be.
When I studied psychopathy during psychology studies I remember how one of the psychopathy research psychologist, who has been in this field for decades, wrote that he can work with a psychopath for years, always being aware and on guard but still get tricked by them over and over again.
And through my own experiences the only thing I can trust regarding my “narcissist” parent is that everything that comes out from that person’s mouth is a sort of game play.
This person is obviously (to me), hands down, not a narcissist
@@nancylane8092 Even the psychologist says in the end of their interview that it’s very hard to tell if he is or not ... that it might have shown further down the road.
Also there has been extensive research whether adults can tell if a child is lying (even their own) and results are that we can’t.
@@nancylane8092 not necessarily true. I had to talk to my ex’s counselor first to tell her how things really are because even a narcissist can fool a therapist.
My mother is 100% avoiding relation style, she's psychologist & I guess she's hidden narcissist. She knows exactly what to hide because she's a specialist in it, isn't she?
@@nancylane8092 I think he's a narcissist in a healing process but he's doing really well & I guess it costed alot of work to him. Admire.
In love with Kyle view of a relationship. "Do not want someone to complete." That's it. We don't need to be completed. We are already complete being who we are. 😍
After watching this interaction...I love Kyle even more than I ever did. He is a great person doing the very best he can and who can ask more than that. He is willing to do the work required to continue to grow?...and we all benefit from his career choices via MedCircle. 🙏🏻
I love the way she asks the question and just waits. Mm hm and silence. And he ends up talking more. The pressure is insane.
She would be an excellent interrogator
@@blahblahblahblah2837 He is a empath, not a narcissist. The narcissist is a talker and empath is a doer.
Would have been interesting to hear about his parents and how he was raised, it reveals a lot.
AWESOME point.
He's an emotionally avoidant
@@Sand24 Do you know what causes that? The term you used applies perfectly to someone that I know. I wondered if it was a childhood thing, or just personality.
I had the same point. It would be interesting to know about Kyle's relationship with his mother, specifically about what he experienced in childhood. Because there's the key.
As a psychology graduate their are many studies emerging that reveal that childhood experiences do and can develop into narcissistic individuals.
For anyone interested google freuds theory ( kinda questionable), more over use google scholar and type in narcissim and childhood, it will give you alot of studies... ive just completed a dissertation on narcissitic triats as alot of narcissits go un diagnosed as they dont think or perceive themselves to be the issue...their ego and grandiosity,manipulation tactics, ego wont allow them to. Thats why i find this hard to believe that one has allowed themselves to be filmed...however, look at all the excuses for his behaviour that he is giving...is anything his fault? Would love to see his NPI-40 SCORE x
Major props for putting yourself under the microscope, Kyle. Like you, I struggle with outpourings of emotions from others, sometimes. I've been burned by love-bombing and I sometimes don't trust it when someone is being overly effusive, especially when I don't know them very well. Those of us who are empathic sometimes need to have strong boundaries to protect our own mental/emotional/psychic energy, because there are people who will take advantage. I see that as being a case-by-case thing. I think it's good that you asked for some tools, given that that pattern has hurt you in relationships. It shows your willingness to look at your flaws and try to improve what you can, which is the opposite of most narcissists, who have a really hard time with self-reflection.
This is great, Thank you for being so open Kyle. We get to see how Dr. Ramani works as a therapist. Very therapeutic.
Narcissists show great interest in you in the beginning of the relationship!
You are the "cream of the crop" and they show their concern for what you say and how you feel. They "hang on your every word"!
Once you trust them and are emotionally invested, they respond to you with indifference!
Wow. This is a good one.
And verbal abuse that gets worse
Exactly
Holy crap that's exactly what I've done... However I say I've gotten to know them deeply quickly and there's nothing else to guess about 😉
And abusive behavior..
that fact he would sit down and be willing to do this means he isn’t a narcissist. He is able to self reflect and own where he is a human being. We need to be careful in how we apply narcissism.
We all can have narcissistic moments or traits. A full on personality disorder is completely different.
Hard to say, they’re master bullshiters
No narcissists love sitting down to talk about themselves.
@@abbylynn4869 if they do, it's a dishonest and grandiose monologue.
@Jonnica1991 totally agree. I have never viewed this man as being a narcissist. Armchair therapists need to calm down and stop labeling everyone a narcissist.
@@crickkett7510 absolutely agree💯...and divisive also. I've viewed massive amt of videos on narcissism, but people should understand there's a spectrum of narcissistic traits and full blown npd. Of course people have lot critical thinking skills so they see everything as black and white.
I love this because I’ve been thinking of finding a therapist and this gives a glimpse of what a session could look like. Thank you!
God I want to see more content like this, where it basically is a therapy discussion but includes insights from both parties. This was so useful, and her tips at the end were good advice for pretty much anyone!
I personally believe that it is difficult to diagnose a narcissist, especially a Cerebral Narc as they are very intelligent, manipulative and are able to show empathy. They are good at presenting a positive image to the public and only those close to them truly see who they are.
So on point Eliza! 👏👏👏 I know a bench of them, and they can be very charming and popular!
Once you are familiar with the pattern and how it looks and feels, you can spot it *immediately*. It's not difficult at all.
Sounds like you are describing a covert narc (aka vulnerable narc)...
My ex was it, and i am so sorry to his next supplies. It will be never ending story.
Narcissist are on the verge of extinction. There's a ton of information on youtube. They no longer have the power they once had.
Narcissists love attention, infact they always have the answers, never wrong, politically correct, love status, can't understand people emotional and feel like the world needs their greatness. Their conversations are the things we've heard over and over again in a sense that they say things that they know people will agree with. Remember they are not emotionally open and always make sure that they are not seen in a bad light.
wow this sounds like my father
I was waiting for this comment thank you!
Sounds like Meghan Markle 😄
i've met plenty of narcissists who weren't at all politically correct. they are whatever they're bubble deems as cool and what makes them popular.
@Noeea 🤔some; a type of them. The ones that I have been exposed to don’t fit the attention, status, and rarely enough are very quiet 🤐 people.
I became obsessed with narcissism after a relationship with one. They are absurd.
Same thing here.I've googled everything and learnt alot about narcissism since coming out of that Relationship.The thing that strikes me the most is the world they have created for themselves where they are the only ones that matter and they are their own GOD
@@godschild3888 they are never wrong, it's always everyone else IN THE WORLD out to get them. Zero accountability. Plus, what struck to me is the way they are disconnected mentally from the world. They don't realize how ridiculous their ideas area.
In my opinion, I believe Kyle is a NO NONSENSE kind of person who has very low tolerance to certain personality traits. Personally, it would take me a very long time to feel safe with him. I'm in no means saying he's a difficult person, but perhaps he can be difficult at times. I applaud his transparency. 😊
Same! Thank you for saying this.
This man is me...I'm very much an arms length avoidant personality type. Keep things at a polite distance. Wasn't always like this but people wear you down eventually.
Sad... try to fix yourself and open your heart
Better that way
Nothing WRONG with being the way this guy is in the scenario it's also brave of him to put himself on the spot
amen!! i am exactly the same . for many reasons.
Kyle very so much shows the tendencies of an avoidant type personality.
Kyle literally made sure to give the right amount of right answers and put little things in there to show when his “empathy” runs out and as an empath I see right through him. Kyle is the guy I would use all the lessons for and RUUUUUN if we crossed paths.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt a little off-put by how positive all of his answers were. Almost over-genuine, if that makes sense.
But hey, it's one TH-cam video that he knew would be posted for his audience. I don't think we can give this one video too much weight.
Plus he was pre-empting all of his answers. He couldn’t just say “yes “ or “no” he had to justify his answers every single time
I also thought the same..his nearly perfectly planned answers..sorry Kyle no offense!
Yep RUN. I think Romney is aware
I think she knows he is full of shit!
This was the absolute best simulation therapy session I have ever watched. Gratitude to both of you for your honesty, insight & participation !!
🙏💗🙏💙🙏
At 16:30 He didn’t say something that made me feel so uncomfortable. He didn’t say that he came to realization that he might have caused great anxiety on the person on the receiving end. Customer Service people are people and they have good days and bad days like anyone else and when things go wrong it’s nor their fault. They’re trying to do the best in whatever the situation is. This guy doesn’t have a care for them! Shoutout to all my Customer Service folks who’ve been abused by douches like him! ❤❤❤❤❤
I feel like my ex narc could have blown through that interview lied on every answer to every question and made it through. How does a therapist go about diagnosing narcissism knowing that their pathological liars?
I think multiple sessions and actively watching that their words match their actions, assessing body language, maybe talk to family members or spouses in some cases.
Requires experience and careful analysis. Body language plays a huge part in psychology. I never knew this until recently, but my former therapist used to watch my body language all the time, and would point out in his notes how I was feeling based on body language. He was spot on every time.
Edit: Also requires time. Narcissists tend to show their true colors later on. Psychologists would see them for at least a few months to even a year or more to determine if the person is a narcissist.
Pretty sure they've been around the block enough with these people that they can see through it. I think most narcissist don't feel a need for therapy.
There's a lot of huge red flags like not taking responsibility for their actions
It can take years until the counselor comes to that determination
Since I can't afford therapy right now, I watch videos like this as a "substitute" and this was WONDERFUL! I definitely need to practice my patience with friends and listening instead of getting annoyed. Thank you, Kyle! And thank you, Dr. Ramani! ❤️
We keep learning about ourselves and others everyday. It is a life long project. 🤔 Our environment has a lot to do with it.
Don’t practice your patience. If you aren’t a naturally empathetic person then just let it be and accept the consequences.
I've only seen a couple of these videos with Kyle, although I watch many of Dr. Ramani's videos, so this isn't a fair criticism of him. I doubt he's a narcissist, but he does use a lot of definitives(Is that a word?) like "I always...", "I very much...", "I definitely..." and kind of follows with a statement that makes himself look good. That triggers something in my brain. I think it might be that he seems a little self-centered, but I'm so dysfunctional myself that he probably just has a healthy sense of self and that is foreign to me. Kudos to him to be vulnerable and expose himself to us like this.
Kyle is definitely a great human being with such an open and honesty to him, and super intelligent and I think he is an authentic and mindful and content person.
A narcissist could so easily sidestep every single one of these questions.
Absolutely! I think we all know what answers would indicate you’re narcissistic, and be able to decide what answers to say based on what answer we wanted. Or, if we’re in denial of what we actually are like.
Uh they’ve been working for months she said. It’s an example and near then end of the video she also mentions that it a narcissist may take up to 9 months to discover. Her job is not to expose rather shed light in an issue the patient should already come ready to be open. I mean most people that seek therapy are NOT committed cuz they’re not committing crimes.
and if they are talking, they are lying. LOL
True
or even go to a counselor bc they never admit there is anything wrong with them.
L - Let
O - Others
V - Voluntarily
E - Evolve
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Thank you for sharing this experience. Growing up my mother needed a "sounding board " that became me - she knew and uses many tricks of the traid for managing her public self and maintaining her ability to have friendships that were meaningful for her. Friendships that were not only satisfying and fun but also supportive, a support group. She was amazing to me in her people skills.
But her home growing up was physically and mentally/emotionally abusive. So behind closed doors - she managed her inner turmoil by taking it out on the kids. Counseling Services were in their infantce and mom,I don't believe would have ever dared to work on her can of worms as she call her issues for fear of becoming "Humty Dumpty " like the Nursery Riem falling & broken... can't be put back together - lots of fears etc.
Wow this is so deep I am impressed. They seem to be focusing on spirituality in a serious way, about the person’s inner work and that is beautiful
"I'm a really good listener" but "I hate it when people start talking about themselves"
Riiight
I know, right? Such a contradiction
He likes to listen to people talk about things not themselves. That's definitely possible
Hard to talk about things without talking about yourself.
@@MrBrentgoodall not really. There are plenty of ways to not talk about yourself. People just like to do that to make things easier because that's all they have to bring to the conversation.
Every time you open your mouth, you are expressing yourself. Even if you're not talking specifically about yourself. Get what I mean?
I love Kyle. He’s so genuine and humble. Last thing from narcissist
Exactly.People they really don't know what a narcissist is. It is a devil who abuse you mentally, financially, physically. I just break up with close family member after trying for years. When my health was in danger I broke for good. And I recognize my self in his interview, specially the first half. I laugh and I say, this is me. Don't know the guy but I liked him instantly. Greetings from South Europe.
He might be genuine, but a little shallow.
Confession Time: KYLE IS E-X-A-C-T-L-Y ME.
I'm so grateful to Kyle for being honest unlike other people. Because of him, I feel more confident and not alone.
Second, I'm really really GRATEFUL and IN AWE OF RAMANI, THE PSYCHOLOGIST. Your advice is very VALUABLE FOR ME and Your dissection SO ACCURATE.
I seriously feel happy 🙏
❤️🙏
So interesting, because the way kyle answered every question was almost opposite myself :P So cool the world is full of so many people
Kyle is clever and has amazing tools . He crabed me on one of his interviews with same Dr. On sociopathic, narcissistic behavior.
He really listens well and reacts with the right facial expression. I think his shadow is Kyle's best friend and he is aware of it and how creepy and dangerous it is. Great interview!!
Even I am an emotionally unavailable person. So I can understand where he is coming from. But a lack of empathy is usually not a problem for us as we can have empathy but not be able to express it.
Roshall Lambert yeah
Thank you Dr. Ramani for this topic of your interview. It would be tremendous to hear raw answers from a narcissist. I am sure many people would enjoy and learn from it. Thank you for the interview.
L V I feel total trust shouldn’t be over-emphasized in a relationship. Smartness is also very important. There’s a popular saying that “don’t trust too much because that too much might hurt you so much”. A Narcissist partner shouldn’t be trusted. My greatest disappointment was discovering my husband cheating on me through the help of Cyberhackingsage who helped cloned his cellphone and i was able to read all his messages and uncover his infidelity without having to touch his phone. All i did was share my husband’s number with Cyberhackingsage and i got access to his Facebook, whatsApp and text messages both deleted and incoming ones with a remote link on my phone. Thanks to them, now i have enough evidence for my divorce. In case you need similar help, contact them Via Gmail ( cyberhackingsage@gmail )thank me later
Oluwaseun Mabinuori really? That easy they will just take the number and clone it ?
I believe that in a previous episode Dr R explains that there are no known cases of successful NPD therapies precisely because Narc's are so grandiose they aren't going to seek therapy.
Oluwaseun Mabinuori ,Hallelujah you make my morning glory thank you very much.
Loved, loved, loved this video and loved Kyle even more for being so transparent and open … ❤️❤️
"Relentless pursuit of what my TARGET is..."
not goal or objective, but TARGET 🙂
A lot of movement throughout the entire clip! A lot of body language, micro-expressions both sides. Very insightfully for any scholar! Great material! 🙏
Seeing Dr. Ramani in action is a true joy to watch. I was so impressed with the way she addresses Kyle and asks the relevant questions. Her delivery is intelligent, respectful and shows the mastery of her profession. I've been impressed with her since I started watching Med Circle about a year ago but this was different somehow. To see Kyle answering her questions and hearing his answers revealed a guy that isn't much different from me. Now I'm a fan. Great video.
He's not narcissistic .He's way too aware of things and people around him ..He's way more empathetic than alot ..usually they don't recognize other people's situation
23:47 she doesn't think do either
On the counter - A lot of his responses are generated to make him look like a really good guy. For example, she asks him if he's ever had any issues with rage, to which he replies "no.." (14:32) later he recounts how he'd be "irate" and basically pissed af in the customer service situation. Also with the goals thing, his goal ah omg imo it's kind of obvious but oh well.
Oh sweetie....typical poisonous narcissist who is also good at acting as well....that is one nasty piece of work in real life....trust me....wouldnt want to be around him not even for 5 minutes....
@@ayemar1660 Note that rage is specifically uncontrollable and violent anger, where irate is only a step up from being generic angry. So one may never reach the point of violent anger even if they get pretty damn angry sometimes. From the sound of this, he use to have issues getting really angry, but has learned to temper that before reaching that level now, 10 years later as he said. Whether that's because of aging and maturing or therapy or both doesn't much matter. It's personal growth.
Unless it's all a big lie to tell her what she wants to hear, which isn't outside the realm of possibility if he actual is a narcissist. I'm still not convinced he is. I've been around a couple in my life and this guy doesn't come close to pinging those red flags. But I'm no mental health expert, so I'll defer to the professionals.
@@davidgahan-ks5jh Oh, Sweetie. When will YOU realize we only see in others what's most apparent in ourselves. What a nasty piece of work..
I respect Kyle for doing this. Nobody is perfect and he is clearly admitting what he can and will not do (setting up his boundaries) but at the same time trying to extend that boundaries (doing effort to improve himself) not for himself but for the people that matter to him.
I also noticed a statement he said. Words are very powerful. I can't quite remember the question given to him but what JUMPED out to me was when he said " THEY'D BETTER BE". To me, that speaks volumes.
28:35 soooo true! I completely shut down if I'm talking about something important and I see that reaction, it tells me that I'm clearly being a bother, why would anyone keep sharing with someone who clearly doesn't want to listen? it's heartbreaking even if it's done out of ignorance or habit.
I loved this session! Kyle sounds so much like my ex boyfriend. I think he is definitely not a narcissist; rather a dismissive/avoidant attachment style person. They are too cerebral, since they managed to rationalize everything including their own feelings; which is nothing but their coping mechanism that started from early childhood actually because of their caregivers' unhealthy parenting style. This means their right emotional brain has been really atrophied. When he said thinking he was a very good listener, he truly believed it. It's just that they listen INTELLECTUALLY and are only trying to find solutions even if they try not to (again because intellectually speaking, they know it's not pleasant for the person who is only asking them for validating their feelings).
Can you show me or link me to info about this diagnosis? Because I’m convinced my ex is a narcissist but I also agree that he speaks like this exactly! Saying what he believes people would expect or admire to hear rather than the truth. Completely convinced himself... “rewired truth” per say....
Just because he is able to express himself on a camera doesn't mean he is not a narcissist. Trust me
@@Simplirite Awww I'm so aware narcissists are masters in the art of manipulation! The reason why I wish all kind souls to educate themselves about narcissism in detail is that I know the covert, communal, and malignant ones (some psychologists like to call the sadistic psychopaths) can sell to the world such a beautiful image and fool people for years if not decades. They are in every single position with formal authority. They are in ALL industries and they're ruling the world. No surprise it is so selfish, superficial, cruel and many times immoral. I am a malignant narcissist survivor. He sent me to the darkest places and almost pushed me to end my life before being saved at the last moment by an out-of-body experience where the servant leader in me (true self) dissociated to show me all the lies of my unhealthy ego, all the limiting beliefs about myself and the world, and most importantly that the universe was not revolving around my small self (the miserable former fearful-avoidant me suffering from an Imposter Syndrome and a rescuer pattern). That was my point of no-return and the beginning of a drastical transformation fueled by destroying my old invasive program which I never wrote in the first place and writing my chosen principle-based new one. One of the numerous outcomes was to reconnect with my purest gut. So I can feel people's energy even without meeting in person, and I didn't feel Kyle's one was dark!
Well thought through and perceived
@@mariebella26 Your comment is very sexy.
First time commenter from FL (LA native) and new to MedCircle and Dr. Ramani channels. Great info, y’all. 🤙Personal, introspective, educational, high value for me, and surely for all. TY for your mutual commitment to mental health and narcissism awareness, concern and assistance.
In my life experience (59), most people do not have a true definition of, and understanding of, empathy vs sympathy. Very important to learn the differences, as it seems people have merged empathy with sympathy, without differentiation nor true understanding or either. I sensed Kyle displayed this a bit early in the video, and at the end, Dr. Ramani, so eloquently and empathetically communicated that to Kyle. And then Kyle’s ‘ah ha’ moment, and fireworks (not just a lightbulb). Awesome to see that Kyle. 💪 A POW! moment, as I call them (reference to original Batman tv show haha). Kyle, your making a difference, positive, genuine and encouraging. Dr. Ramani, I empathize with you and your family dysfunction. We share that. Thank you for giving voice, understanding and empathy to those currently in, and survivors of, traumatic and toxic relationships. 👍
I respect you for opening up about yourself. I love you and Dr. Armani together. I like what you say all the time.
I liked that she was asking the questions this time. I’m surprised that many people accused him of being a narcissist. I never got that vibe from him. He seems very introspective and has the ability self reflect and understand what he needs to work on. Just because he’s not an emotional touchy feely guy doesn’t automatically mean narc. He could just be more avoidant.
I think people think he is a narcissist could be because he is less on the emotion/compassion spectrum. People relate to each other through emotions and while he is great with the practical side of things, interview skills etc, there is less of the emotional give and take with others and that shows but clearly that's not a Narc.
I mean if you listen to the video he does come off as being kind of cold, and he doesn't seem to empathize very well. When be mentioned how he gets annoyed when people bring up a similar shared experience, I was like damn but aren't they just expressing that they can relate? And him not being able to be intimate with partners. Those are red flags.
@@Ayaforshort someone on the autism spectrum can behave in similar ways. For example, someone with high functioning autism can be cold and lack empathy because their brains are wired to be overly logical. They lack emotional and socially intelligence. They lack eye contact and some have sensory issues which may cause them to not enjoy being touched. They can be very standoffish and appear self absorbed because they are in their own world. There is also something called alexityhmia where an individual has difficulty identifying emotions in themselves and others. I think Kyle is way too introspective and aware of his flaws to be considered a narc. I think a narc would typically deflect and deny any flaws they may have and over compensate by saying how amazing they are. Kyle was really able to look inward and think about what he needs to work on. As for someone sharing their personal experiences, it’s quite a common thing to do, but it actually does not show empathy. Even counsellors refrain from personal sharing a relatable story because it takes the focus off the other person and makes it about you. So he’s not really wrong for saying that he doesn’t like it because it’s usually not appropriate or necessary.
@@tinybrit3225 I think those are all great points. As for the not sharing personal stories, it really just depends on how frequent it occurs with the individual relaying them. And intentions matter. If their intention is too soothe someone by telling a personal story and acknowledging that they don't wish to invalidate that person's feelings or experiences, then it isn't a grasp at personal attention. I would think those who have the ability to empathize with others and not draw the worst conclusions about the motives of others would be able to decern when someone is being self absorbed.
He has been told that he doesn't share his emotions and that his partners experience a lack of intimacy from him... but he is unable to connect the fact that he refrains from offering very much feedback when listening to someone's problems and doesn't share his own personal experiences unless absolutely necessary, with why people think he is withdrawn.
That leads me to believe that he refrains from those behaviors because he dislikes them in others, not because he dislikes them in himselfand was told not to.. Possibly he doesn't like people giving him advice, doesn't like being told he is loved, doesn't like when people share their personal experiences. So he has possibly adjusted his behavior to not do those things for others.
Possibly he could be autistic, but barring that, it is more likely that he is at least somewhat narcissistic.
Especially since he does make eye contact and is so comfortable being in front of the camera and interviewing others.
He is introspective and is in therapy working on himself, but narcissism can present in many different forms. He is overall content with his life and may be going to therapy for other issues.
I'm just looking at this a a case study of course. I don't want to make assumptions about who he is or hurt his feelings, but I am not getting the impression of autism from his answers and disposition.
@@tinybrit3225 Therapist also refrain from sharing personal stories to maintain some professionalism and because telling personal stories can change the dynamic. The person is then able to judge the therapist on who they are as a person rather than focusing on their own self and judging their own behavior. If the therapist believes the story can help they will tell it. They just don't spend much time on it or dig into it.
I think it has less to do with attention. People don't usually talk about their problems or feelings just for the attention. They do it because they are requesting emotional or logical support.
Dude, I love her. Her energy is brilliant! And she is so lovely, and a great teacher, shes so easy to understand, shes well with her words. Also, I think shes so pretty! Especially her long hair. I love watching her videos and videos shes in.
So good to see Dr Ramani in this context - obviously the girl knows what she's doing but this episode really showcased how astute she is. Respect!
His answers come quickly and are so neat and clean. He’s smart enough to answer questions the correct way. I don’t think we’re getting an accurate picture of who this person really is.
OR... perhaps his passion for mental health, above average emotional intelligence, coupled with the fact that he is actively in therapy and regularly introspective about himself within his relationships, as well as his relational interface with life itself, gives him a better gauge than most to quickly hone into where he actually lands with the deeper questioning. Mindfulness and Objectivity isn't evidence of a mask simply because most people today are absent of such presence and attunement.
@@Nabiyah1 completely agree. Please see my comment:
t's important to note that he is going into this therapy session because of feedback about accusations of narcissism. He is aware that he is being analyzed for narcissistic personality traits by expert Dr. Ramani on camera and with a large online viewing audience ready to "find out." His behavioral responses in the video may be carefully tailored to maintain his public image, ensuring he presents himself in the most appropriate and healthy manner for his viewers.
Furthermore, the fact that this is not a confidential or private setting undermines the authenticity of his participation in therapy. It's akin to how individuals may behave differently in a private setting, behind closed doors, where they feel comfortable and unseen. In such settings, people tend to let down their guard and behave in a manner that is more genuine and reflective of their true thoughts and emotions. Given this context, there is skepticism about the truthfulness of his words in the video.
Dr. Ramani is incredibly knowledgeable on the topic of narcissism and a trusted source that I am grateful to have access to as a psychotherapist in training. I enjoyed observing her questions and the processes demonstrated in this video and the information gained that can be applied in potential therapy session with a narcissistic individual!
Honesty as a weakness was the biggest cringe moment for me.... and the fact he brought up that he could be lying. Seems like a defense that was premature to underlying intentions.
I get the feeling he’s holding back because he’s being recorded. Feels more like an interview with someone trying to present the best self.
Jen Montgomery I’m getting that vibe too.
Yeah, he's acting.
But it's his show...he could be as authentic as ever then edit the video before putting it out...so that assessment doesn't make. I think he's brave to open up like that. So much of what he says is reflected in the way he's saying...sounds authentic to me
Jen Montgomery agree
I think, him being a man is part of this armour.... he tried
It's interesting that he likes compliments, but he doesn't think "I love you" is a compliment.
THAT is interesting.
That often comes from having received it from people that in effect don’t treat you like they love you.
@@Konversekid Maybe that's your experience, but I don't think so here. With a narcissist, "I love you" is a low-value compliment because it starts with "I" - and the "I" is someone else. Not them.
This is surely one of the most insightful comments I've read online anywhere. You're spot-on - and I suspect it's because narcissists don't get "primed" (think of your dog when you say, "Wanna go for a...?") when they hear sentences that start with "I" - unless of course they're the one speaking. They're open to exceptions - if you were to say, "I think you're the smartest person I know," then yes, that's acceptable. And to add value to the comment, the narcissist may decide that you're a clever person worthy of some sort of accolade, too - because it a clever person thinks they're smart? Well, that's the bomb!
Is it a compliment?
Nothing is deeper than happiness Kyle .. inner peace and happiness is success .
Hey I have been surviving a narcissist father & mother & just getting out of a marriage with a narcissist-thank you
I am learning a lot about myself with this transition but it is difficult…takes a lot of work
Thank you for sharing information on this topic
"You're not even narcissistic" - Dr. Ramini
saved y'all time. lol Wasn't what I expecting from the title of the video but was interesting.
Thanks, now I can click off at the 11 minute mark....😋
Sarcasm is complex!
I can't imagine a narcissist being this honest about feelings. I've been dealing with my bf's narcissism and traumatic narcissistic abuse for over a year now, and he absolutely does not want to acknowledge having NPD. If he were asked these questions, he would blatantly lie and manipulate the therapist to avoid being accurately diagnosed.
I completely agree with you! I was in counseling with a Narc and he was outright lying. He was living a double life.
The only narcissist I know admitted he was one almost incessantly.
If he's a narc why are you still with him exactly
@@87agomes Do you um...understand what you're saying? It's extremely hard to pull yourself away. You know, material physical reality is real and emotions and identities are complicated as hell. It's not easy at all to leave situations. Yes, this still holds even if you are aware. Life is tough.
@@PMFtheman Yes, it'll be hard. It'll be harder staying with him though... but I know the heart is never rational. Fortunately the narc I was with broke up with me and left me for her boss or I would probably still be with her. Best thing she ever did to me was actually leaving me
I LOVED THIS! And I actually love the personalities of these two people.🤗 Bravo! 👏🏻👏🏻