I was beginning to think that ZZP had abandoned the 3800. A week after I purchased my new 2002 GTP, I began modifications using ZZP components. No better time than now to continue with the upgrades. Thanks for the update 🏁
Why did you think ZZP Abandoned the 3800? We are constantly posting and working on them brother. We have said many times we are not going to abandon the platform.
@@ryanderrick656I see now that abandoned is the wrong choice of words. ZZP is the leader in W body and 3800 performance upgrade components and I couldn’t be more pleased with all of my GTP purchases. It makes sense to expand the product line to include the new and current platforms. Naturally you have to promote the new products with video updates too. Rolling with the changes is essential to stay on top of what you do best. I get it. My old GTP is just feeling neglected but that’s my fault. A shot of ZZP with a little TLC is all it needs 🏁.
i just bought a 02 grand prix gtp 40th edition purple coupe, off this old lady the cars been neglected and left sitting for a while, paid 1000 for it, 230kms did runthrough on it nothing seems to be completely wrong with it nothing major, just needs love. OBD reader shot out Crankshaft sensor code, any advice what i should do?, planning for it to be a fun project car
Remote Tuning with Bo C is a pleasure.this man knows his craft. He's tuned all my 3800's. Every time he sends you a file the car gets faster 😂. He makes it real easy to go fast . Bo C appreciate all your work and thank you
Bo C knows exactly what’s the best for your 3800 car and ZZP knows their stuff and that’s a really good info for all the 3800 lovers out there! Let’s #gofastnotbroke!
Will you guys support the F23 (getrag 287) conversions that are popular right now with the w body? They require a custom transmission mount that everybody seems to have a different take on.
I have been toying with the idea of a supercharged 3800 in an e36 BMW for like a decade. Glad I didn't just dive in on Gen3 stuff. That said, I am fully immersed into Honda products on track. They just take a beating like no other.
shouldn't the drive chain in the 65e be also replaced with a stronger one? My 07 GP GT is completely stock but I'm afraid of going WOT all the time for fear of granading the trans
I run the exact turbo setup hes talking about at the end of the video on my 3800 fiero and I would love to hear what ZZP has to say about making 400whp on that type of setup.
0:01 They come stock with 275hp when you get the supercharged variant. There wouldn’t be much of a “road” to get there. Just a cold air intake, a smaller pulley, and a tune would get you there.
Did you even watch the video? This is the road to 300hp at the wheels, not crank. They make about 190-210 at the wheels bone stock, so it's definitely a "road" to push another 100hp out of this motor through the 4T65 slushbox
Hello ZZP fam, i have a stock 3800 with a m90 sc out of an 04 Impala SS Indy Edition; i am in the process if removing the engine and rebuilding it. Im on a budget, but would like to know what parts would help with performance/boost? I am looking into adding an intercooler and ez downpipe with a powerlog... thanks in advance for suggestions.
You are completely wrong about the only boosted GM car without intercooling. There were tons of cars from the early 60s on up, that didn't have intercooling, including the 1980-81 Turbo Trans Am and the Grand National until, IDK, 85?
How bad does 289 hp affect mpg I read somewhere that even after a few of the known mods that make the 3800 2 sc more put out more it still didn’t affect the mpg
Glad we're still getting 3800 support! I need to build out my 1996 Riviera and need as many pointers as I can get. Right now the urgent thing is new mufflers, any recommendations? I bought it with a full ZZP catback exhaust system installed but one muffler broke. Would like them a bit louder, idk what mufflers are on it currently
So you are talking about 360 at the crank? 12.80s? How in the hell do you get traction with a FWD car? My stock car will smoke the tires until I let off.
So disappointed with ZZP. Discontinued the thing i was saving my hard earned cash for just to recommend going a completely different direction with my w-body. That being the n/a supercharger kit. No i dont wont turbo and was hoping not to remove heads..... Welp money will now be going to Milzy Motorsports
Naw they have a very similar car to hell boi as well,, and not sure what’s going on there but apparently zzp been throwing dirt on hell boil lately, they not getting along or something right now
@@famousmoonthis is untrue. The only “beef” was squashed almost immediately. There was a joke made on a podcast because we consider the owner a friend, and it was taken in offense. The “beef” was squashed privately and the only people keeping it going are the people that want to see drama. We have supported the owner by giving dyno days for his own fleet and doing extra pulls to help him get records. No “Dirt” is being thrown as we continue to support the 3800 community.
@@ryanderrick656 glad to hear that,, yeah I hadn’t heard any updates Intell now or even what the original comment was,, I had originally assumed it was just a misunderstanding anyways, I may have worded my comment wrong or even spoken out of place here without the full context, I’m sorry about and glad everything has been set straight with everyone
Head flow was not great back then it was not as important as it is now. A set of good heads and proper mild cam in a 3800 would make 300plus all motor. Also this vid is 300whp not crank.
@@Mr-JOAT yeah i know that issue, my old e7 ford heads were terrible, the aftermarket fixed that issue thank goodness, engines are just an air pump, more air in more air out makes horsepower, I always liked those grand prix cars too, there was a performance one a gxp or something
You wana see something crazy just Google the 4t65e-hd transmission. The whole design is fucking nuts. The big daddy 4t80e in the cadillac v8 fwd cars is even more so.
Naturally aspirated cars have the L32 3800 engine and M90 supercharged cars have L67 3800. While both have the same displacement, they aren't the same engines. GTP, Monte Carlo SS (W-body), Buick GS and Riviera are some cars with the Eaton M90/L67 option. I asked the same question when owning a '99 Olds Intrigue L32.
This is just selling parts these can make 400 whp with the right parts ported blower intake methanol kit 3.8 isn't as tough in the 80s as the 3800 2 and 3 more air comes in more needs to go it's efficiency you just have to land it right with a tune
Could you take a shot in the dark at what my 96 riviera might be pushing to the wheel? I bought the car with all the mods preinstalled. Cold air intake, 3.6 pulley, ZZP tuned PCM, equalizer downpipe and catback
That pulley isn't a huge gain the pcm is. Exaust helps from knock on front bank middle cylinder is known to fail. Probably 35-40 hp over stock 280 flywheel. The biggest thing you can do for the m-90 cars is a intercooler. That's the power adder they needed stock.
The world record for a NA 3800 is 270whp. A dual 50 shot is ~100hp of power and the 3800 NA makes 200 CRANK horsepower, about 170 or so wheel horsepower.
I feel zzp was stepping away from the 3800 platform considering just about everything is out of stock/low on stock doesn’t seem like it’s supported very much anymore sadly
What? Out of stock means people are buying stuff and we are working on getting it back in stock. We are literally redesigning parts right now to re-release. Sorry you feel that we don't support the 3800 anymore...but I dont feel its accurate in the least.
I'm laughing my ass off bro 3800 engines are trash I've owned a monte carlo ss with the gtp swap that I got from my dad that passed away they are dog shit engines period ive had a Pontiac grand am gt with the na and it blew a head gasket they are trash
Well the Grand Am never came with the 3800, and you have to try reeeaaaaalllly hard to blow up a 3800. They're also a fairly common swap engine into many vehicles, and have run into the 8s, and the Australian markets with the Commodores mod them very reliable in factory RWD setups as well. Seems the common denominator is you bud!
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I was beginning to think that ZZP had abandoned the 3800. A week after I purchased my new 2002 GTP, I began modifications using ZZP components. No better time than now to continue with the upgrades. Thanks for the update 🏁
Why did you think ZZP Abandoned the 3800? We are constantly posting and working on them brother. We have said many times we are not going to abandon the platform.
@@ryanderrick656I see now that abandoned is the wrong choice of words. ZZP is the leader in W body and 3800 performance upgrade components and I couldn’t be more pleased with all of my GTP purchases. It makes sense to expand the product line to include the new and current platforms. Naturally you have to promote the new products with video updates too. Rolling with the changes is essential to stay on top of what you do best. I get it. My old GTP is just feeling neglected but that’s my fault. A shot of ZZP with a little TLC is all it needs 🏁.
@ryanderrick656 I agree,ZZP rocks. Now I just need a custom cam& ZZP aluminum heads to make 450+whp on my ported GenV M90 build
ZZP ROCKS
i just bought a 02 grand prix gtp 40th edition purple coupe, off this old lady the cars been neglected and left sitting for a while, paid 1000 for it, 230kms did runthrough on it nothing seems to be completely wrong with it nothing major, just needs love. OBD reader shot out Crankshaft sensor code, any advice what i should do?, planning for it to be a fun project car
Great intro, thanks for continued support on 3800 platform 😊
Whoever filmed and edited this did a fucking good job thumbs up
Remote Tuning with Bo C is a pleasure.this man knows his craft. He's tuned all my 3800's. Every time he sends you a file the car gets faster 😂. He makes it real easy to go fast . Bo C appreciate all your work and thank you
@@joselozoya8584 how I get in contact with him?
Wow another good info and update for all the 3800 owners! Keep up the great work guys!!! Great Job Bo C! Happy fourth to all of you guys!
Remote tuning with Bo is worth every penny.
Thanks for continued support on 3800
Just scored an 04 Regal with 48,000 miles.
Wow!
Just bought an 03 lesabre with 112,000 miles for $300. Needs intake gaskets, though
Nice, that's low mileage
new 3800'er checking in.
Welcome
I'm so glad you guys are here
After doing the “ROAD TO 400HP” video
You should then show a video of a stock L32/L67 drag racing the built 400hp version
One of THE best sounding V6’s if you ask me :)
Bo C knows exactly what’s the best for your 3800 car and ZZP knows their stuff and that’s a really good info for all the 3800 lovers out there! Let’s #gofastnotbroke!
Will you guys support the F23 (getrag 287) conversions that are popular right now with the w body? They require a custom transmission mount that everybody seems to have a different take on.
this is what is keeping me from pushing the envelope at the moment honestly.
This intrigues me
Just stopping by to say hi. ZZP knows my car and me
Was super cool seeing this car in person at The tail of the dragon! 😎🤘
It was great to meet you!
I have been toying with the idea of a supercharged 3800 in an e36 BMW for like a decade. Glad I didn't just dive in on Gen3 stuff.
That said, I am fully immersed into Honda products on track. They just take a beating like no other.
Good video.
Always loved these cars! Even more so now, now I need a new daily! 😂
Ill be building one here soon. I cant wait
Hey those were all Terrels cars in the intro. Very cool 😎. Hell yeah 🎉
Grand national was turbo charged. Not super charged.
Everyone knows honest common mistake. Only because turbos are popular to the brain in 2024 car culture
shouldn't the drive chain in the 65e be also replaced with a stronger one? My 07 GP GT is completely stock but I'm afraid of going WOT all the time for fear of granading the trans
You'll be ok
Shame they don't sell the l36 conversion kit anymore
I wish I could see a Top Swap series, for me it would be more beneficial.
Hopefully sending you a log soon. Finally getting the first GTP done!!! Very excited
DROP 400hp VIDEO PLEASE
Can you talk about the steering wheel set up . I want the same thing in my regal
Yeah I need the 400 hp video asap please!!!
New transmission probably 😂
For a boneville 97 supercharged with 3.5 pulley and VZ rpm cam cold air intake and 3"single ultra Flow muffler...needs running?
I find the 3100 much more rev friendly.
Nice . Would love to see some options or boost setup packages for 3800 f body cars
I run the exact turbo setup hes talking about at the end of the video on my 3800 fiero and I would love to hear what ZZP has to say about making 400whp on that type of setup.
Do the inter coolers fit under the hood of a boosted 4th gen F body? Send me one to try & I’ll document it!
0:01 They come stock with 275hp when you get the supercharged variant. There wouldn’t be much of a “road” to get there. Just a cold air intake, a smaller pulley, and a tune would get you there.
Wrong
Did you even watch the video? This is the road to 300hp at the wheels, not crank. They make about 190-210 at the wheels bone stock, so it's definitely a "road" to push another 100hp out of this motor through the 4T65 slushbox
Putting together my first 3800 as I'm watching this. All zzp parts
grand national came without a intercooler pre 86
I really want to do this to a Fiero, and swap in a SIII 3800
Would like to see full build sheet on moose
Hello ZZP fam, i have a stock 3800 with a m90 sc out of an 04 Impala SS Indy Edition; i am in the process if removing the engine and rebuilding it. Im on a budget, but would like to know what parts would help with performance/boost? I am looking into adding an intercooler and ez downpipe with a powerlog... thanks in advance for suggestions.
What size wheels and tires are on the car? Looks good
You are completely wrong about the only boosted GM car without intercooling. There were tons of cars from the early 60s on up, that didn't have intercooling, including the 1980-81 Turbo Trans Am and the Grand National until, IDK, 85?
Did you guys modify engine harnesses?
Great series, can you do the ltg platform?
It's on the list!
I have an 2007 na gp I just bought. Is there no supercharger kit anymore? Was hoping to buy one
Any Junkyard is your answer.
is a 2004 GRAND PRIX GT a good start /
I wish y’all could make some stuff for the 10th gen Impala, like a suspension bushing kit or other suspension parts 👀
Or if y’all could make some interesting stuff for FWD applications too, that’d be awesome 😩
How bad does 289 hp affect mpg I read somewhere that even after a few of the known mods that make the 3800 2 sc more put out more it still didn’t affect the mpg
Glad we're still getting 3800 support! I need to build out my 1996 Riviera and need as many pointers as I can get. Right now the urgent thing is new mufflers, any recommendations? I bought it with a full ZZP catback exhaust system installed but one muffler broke. Would like them a bit louder, idk what mufflers are on it currently
Someone needs a manual swap kit for these
Yet the zzp performance website says the gen 5 blower does nothing for power.. so why go through all that just for slightly better efficiency..
What about the transmission? I wanna build mine up to 300, I'm not sure if I'd trust the 4t65e with that much power
Many people are saying that a healthy 4T-65E transmission will hold 300 HP for a boost purpose.
So you are talking about 360 at the crank? 12.80s? How in the hell do you get traction with a FWD car? My stock car will smoke the tires until I let off.
Just got a 04 monte ss Dale edition 38k miles
How certain is it that 300hp is going to blow the transmission?
Chances increase after 150k miles but pretty low. After 400hp the 4t65e can be a coin flip every pull
Whats the part numbers for the quick release steering wheel setup
So disappointed with ZZP. Discontinued the thing i was saving my hard earned cash for just to recommend going a completely different direction with my w-body.
That being the n/a supercharger kit.
No i dont wont turbo and was hoping not to remove heads..... Welp money will now be going to Milzy Motorsports
What about ruthenium plugs? haveyou guys eve tested them?
Are you saying it's not possible to make 300whp with stock catback?
you guys should make another one of these vids but instead with a 3800 s2
Pretty sure I seen Hell Boi in the opening. 💪
Naw they have a very similar car to hell boi as well,, and not sure what’s going on there but apparently zzp been throwing dirt on hell boil lately, they not getting along or something right now
That is Hell Boi in the intro. Still nothing but love from ZZP.
@@famousmoonthis is untrue. The only “beef” was squashed almost immediately. There was a joke made on a podcast because we consider the owner a friend, and it was taken in offense. The “beef” was squashed privately and the only people keeping it going are the people that want to see drama. We have supported the owner by giving dyno days for his own fleet and doing extra pulls to help him get records. No “Dirt” is being thrown as we continue to support the 3800 community.
@@ryanderrick656 glad to hear that,, yeah I hadn’t heard any updates Intell now or even what the original comment was,, I had originally assumed it was just a misunderstanding anyways, I may have worded my comment wrong or even spoken out of place here without the full context, I’m sorry about and glad everything has been set straight with everyone
Can you make a downpipe for my wife's 2014 Cadillac XTS-V
Crazy how older V6 cars needed a supercharger to try to make 300 horse and my charger V6 makes 310 naturally aspirated, technology
Head flow was not great back then it was not as important as it is now. A set of good heads and proper mild cam in a 3800 would make 300plus all motor. Also this vid is 300whp not crank.
@@Mr-JOAT yeah i know that issue, my old e7 ford heads were terrible, the aftermarket fixed that issue thank goodness, engines are just an air pump, more air in more air out makes horsepower, I always liked those grand prix cars too, there was a performance one a gxp or something
Damn how are they losing 70hp on a front wheel drive car that’s kinda crazy. 25%+ loss
You wana see something crazy just Google the 4t65e-hd transmission. The whole design is fucking nuts. The big daddy 4t80e in the cadillac v8 fwd cars is even more so.
Can you use a non factory boosted 3800? For exaple a 2002 regal LS?
Naturally aspirated cars have the L32 3800 engine and M90 supercharged cars have L67 3800. While both have the same displacement, they aren't the same engines. GTP, Monte Carlo SS (W-body), Buick GS and Riviera are some cars with the Eaton M90/L67 option. I asked the same question when owning a '99 Olds Intrigue L32.
I have bought literally everything Bo mentioned Everything
Does the 04-05 Park avenue ultra have the better blower?
No, only the 04+ Grand Prix came with the Gen V M90. The PAU would have a Gen 3.
@@ZZPerformanceChannel
Okay thanks for the reply. My next car is probably gonna be a 04+ Ultra. Just seeing what the game plan might be with it.
This is just selling parts these can make 400 whp with the right parts ported blower intake methanol kit 3.8 isn't as tough in the 80s as the 3800 2 and 3 more air comes in more needs to go it's efficiency you just have to land it right with a tune
Could you take a shot in the dark at what my 96 riviera might be pushing to the wheel? I bought the car with all the mods preinstalled. Cold air intake, 3.6 pulley, ZZP tuned PCM, equalizer downpipe and catback
That pulley isn't a huge gain the pcm is. Exaust helps from knock on front bank middle cylinder is known to fail. Probably 35-40 hp over stock 280 flywheel. The biggest thing you can do for the m-90 cars is a intercooler. That's the power adder they needed stock.
@@faustthehammer8706 awesome thanks, the intercooler is definitely on the priority list right after a new muffler lol, my Y Pipe brokeded
Hmm twin charge maybe
I have a 05 Buick Lacrosse NA -cat, K&N 145K runs perfect. Send me any bolt ons and ill put any logos on my ride. :)
For the same money, get an lfx 3.6 from an Arcadia. It's 320hp naturally aspirated stock engine
Nah its .2l too small
Yeah but torque is what you need. My Bonne is heavy.
Took a dude 20 years to make an intercooler? Shit. 😂
I wish you guys offered more for 3.6 v6 gm motor
I wanna mod a buick laceosse
I went 1.9 rockers instead of cam can I still achieve 300whp?
PLEASE STOP THAT ENGINE REV NOISE EVERY TIME YOU NAME A PART, it’s annoying and makes it hard to hear the video
I thought that was a cool editing idea. I can hear everything fine. Annoyed easily
😂😂😂
I make 417 hp on a 3800 no supercharger,no turbo,no pro charger needed. Just some nitrous express dual 50 shot
The world record for a NA 3800 is 270whp. A dual 50 shot is ~100hp of power and the 3800 NA makes 200 CRANK horsepower, about 170 or so wheel horsepower.
I feel zzp was stepping away from the 3800 platform considering just about everything is out of stock/low on stock doesn’t seem like it’s supported very much anymore sadly
You’re drunk. Do your homework before you post that type of statement.
What? Out of stock means people are buying stuff and we are working on getting it back in stock. We are literally redesigning parts right now to re-release. Sorry you feel that we don't support the 3800 anymore...but I dont feel its accurate in the least.
What about the poly engine mount?it's been OOS for over a year. Any updates?@@ryanderrick656
I'm laughing my ass off bro 3800 engines are trash I've owned a monte carlo ss with the gtp swap that I got from my dad that passed away they are dog shit engines period ive had a Pontiac grand am gt with the na and it blew a head gasket they are trash
Well the Grand Am never came with the 3800, and you have to try reeeaaaaalllly hard to blow up a 3800. They're also a fairly common swap engine into many vehicles, and have run into the 8s, and the Australian markets with the Commodores mod them very reliable in factory RWD setups as well. Seems the common denominator is you bud!
Yeah, an engine that was made for 50 years and won most reliable engine 10 years in a row, is junk. Right.🙄
Ummm.... It's still just a 6 cyl, sooooo...... Any girl in a bone stock pony or r/t or Camaro will hurt your feelings.
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@@TheDwightMambaB-18 *raises eyebrow* "whos gonna tell em?"
Not really. These are wheel hp numbers. Besides, at the 400 whp level the average V-8 car will get embarrassed.
Lol they make stock 3 cylinder with double that power stock
Im wth Zoom, 500whp on GenV M90 full build
Hey no spoilers!
@@mikeniz135 I'm trying myself to get over 450whp wth a M90 3800
I'm going to try to make 450+whp GenV M90 build