EV Owners Unite in Class Action Against Hyundai & Kia
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- EV Owners Unite in Class Action Against Hyundai & Kia
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Why do some owners not have any problems, while others do? I've had my Ioniq 5 for over a year and a half with no ac charging problems, at 32A/240.
The issue happens when charging at a higher amperage (40a or higher).
Also in the manufacturing process for all these cars all you need are a few dodgy components for a certain number of cArs and there you have it. Some faulty, some not. Sucks if you get a faulty one. Kia 7 year warranty that’s my shield, although taking car in is a pain.
Never had any problem with the Tesla connector overheating unless it was from a bad supercharger plug. And then we get a warning to disconnect because of bad connection. It's all about surface area for the electron transfer. If you have big surface area you can handle high power rates with less Heating. As your surface area of connection drops, heating of the transfer surface increases and of course so does resistance getting you into a positive feedback. In that critical sense, a software patch only detects the problem and moderates the charging speed, as Sam describes, but it's not a fix for the poor surface area/conductivity issue. Tesla was aware from the get-go that they had to have very high surface area to leave the connector with significant Headroom for higher charging rates. Once again Tesla did their homework, while other folks didn't.
Personally, I supercharge less than 5% of the time. Usually it is just a 10 minute top off, so I can get home and charge for free. I bought 36 solar panels specifically so I can charge an EV for the next 25 years. My solar makes 2,500 kwh per month in summer and 1,000 kwh per month in dead of winter.
When I was getting ready to buy my first EV, I rented teslas several times, and tried to like them but each time I couldn’t wait to get out of the car. Telling myself how great the charging network was, or how cool the 4680 battery was, or how awesome the Giga casting was just couldn’t get me past how ridiculous the interior was, and all the rattles and squeaks on the Tesla with less then 10k miles. My wife got in it and laughed - she said “this must be a prototype”. So we bought an Ioniq 5 and I liked driving it so much that I stopped driving my 2017 C7 corvette, so I sold the vette and bought a genesis gv60, which is basically a faster and more luxurious Ioniq 5, and I absolutely love. So now I have 2 egmp cars, and am quite happy with both. Have had to lower the charging speed from 40amps to 30 at home during these warm days, but the car still easily chargers overnight. There is a reason ioniq5 has won so many awards, don’t believe the haters on this thread.
It is good that you are happy with your car.
Hmm I've test drove 4 Tesla's and everything was great, I'm sure some cars are worse than others and you definitely had bad experiences but overall obviously Tesla's are good cars otherwise there would be more posts degrading them, some do but many don't so we all have different expectations and experiences. I love the simple Tesla interior and don't care much for the Hyundai's although I do like what Hyundai and KIA have done with their vehicle designs and such. Either way it's all good go electric or go home! ⚡⚡🚗🚗👍👍
We have owned both Tesla and Hyundai EVs. Our Kona EV had every major drivetrain component fail within 25K KMS. Main battery was replaced in a recall, the traction motor bearings became noisy, the reduction gearbox oil filled with metal particles and became noisy and had to be replaced. The 12V aux battery failed intermittently causing us to be stranded a number of times. Hyundai replaced the gearbox with the same part number which indicated they had not yet developed a fix. The Kona drove better than our model Y but we have had zero issues with the Y after 38K kms with no squeaks or rattles. Our Y came from Teslas China factory unfortunately but all is good so far. I would be hesitant to buy another Hyundai/Kia until the model had proven itself to be free of basic engineering faults. Would love a 4x4 dual cab EV though. It's good to hear that not everyone had our experience.
In 9 months of ownership, here are the glaring shortcomings of the Ioniq 5 limited:
1. The main USB Communications port goes bad. You cannot update your software or use apple car play anymore because of this. This is very common.
2. TSBs or firmware updates must be done by dealerships and most dealerships refuse to do them. They claim Hyundai corporate hasn't released the update to you VIN.
3. Charging communication port disfunctions all the time. Trying to charge your Ioniq 5 using a tesla wall connector and ANY adapter results in "charging failed" until you turn the vehicle on and off.
4. Route planning software will direct you to level 2 chargers to charge for 9 hours even when you filter them out.
5. Phone as Key ONLY works for android so if you use iphones, you are S O L. Using the app is too slow as a workaround.
6. Not having WIRELESS carplay or android auto is JUST PLAIN STUPID.
When you say :"The main USB Communications port goes bad."
Is this a software problem, or does the socket really just go bad?
Wow, these are really some significant and unexpected problems, which sucks because I was considering an Ioniq when I choose to replace my 2018 Bolt, which has its own limitations (notably charging speed) but pretty much everything at least works.
with these flaws korean evs are not worth consideration.
See I just think cars got a bit too much tech in them now. It's obviously appealing to people. But I just can't imagine it aging well.
Reading your list I can’t help but feel how infuriating it has to be to put out that kind of cash outlay, purchase a vehicle - which is the make-or-break utility for everything we need to do on a daily basis - and then have it be riddled with surprise problems from the get go. As I’ve gotten older I’ve learned that being an early adopter of any new technology always brings a lot of stress. I hope you can get the issues fixed soon. Appreciate your sharing this info. Stories like this are why I spent about a full year researching my latest car (another gasoline engine) really heavily before deciding to buy. Next to a home it’s the second largest purchase most people will make. Good luck. If they can’t remedy the issues get out from under it.
have had our Ioniq 5, 13 months here in the UK and had no problems. only seen 222kw max charge rate so far but that's pretty good.
Here in the US the Hyundai group has developed something of a reputation for going to great efforts to disqualify warranty claims and downplay or slow-roll reported issues. They seem to be following the same playbook here.
Exactly they have a great warranty program but the problem is its very hard to get any actual work done under warranty.
Yup, great warranty as a hook but no follow through. I question this Korean company's ethics.
They’re using their warranty as a selling point.
o problems here in europe, with the warranty.. If something breaks, you get a repair.. no big hickups.
US is US and Europe is different.@@mongo64071
I had this issue on my EV6 where charging stops soon after plugging in to my home level 2 Charger. Kia has a software fix for it which the dealer installed. It fixes the issue by slowing the charging speed automatically if the port starts heating up. This leads to slower than normal charging but it is not a deal breaker. I hope they come with a permanent fix for the issue.
If you own an EV make sure to tick the "cremation" box on your will.
I don't understand, it's capable of 350kw charging at a commercial station but overheats at 11kw at home? Is it the plug or the car that's overheating? When it throttles the charging what rate is it charging at?
@@mayhem8166 EV's are becoming the new Bud Lite - don't be that person!
Not a deal breaker? I guess I am just a spoiled Tesla owner. I doubt the fix is software, sounds more like a physical recall issue for crap engineering.
@@mayhem8166 I don’t know the full details of the issue, but generally L2 charging uses a rectifier to convert the AC power from the grid to DC which is what the battery actually stores. I would think this is the issue, if L3 charging can occur successfully at high rates, that’d be my bet. Maybe the rectifier is not up to par, this would be a really dumb place to try and save money by going with a substandard part, but maybe it is simply a bad design by a supplier.
i think the average is about 20% supercharger use if done by % of miles done, as you do most of your supercharging when on long trips. the Tesla (NACS) plug pins are an either or connector, the pins that transfer power to the car are either AC or DC current depending on where you are charging. so the pins are over engineered for AC charging, because they are designed for DC charging
Our trailing 12 months supercharging for our model X is 5%. (And we just arrived home from a trip this week). Fun fact, 7% of our charging has been free, chargers such as destination chargers at shopping centers.
I have used a DC fast charger exactly one time this calendar year, and that was back in February. Spent 10 minutes there.
What Hyundai/Kia are doing is the same thing Ford did with the Mach E main bus failures. By software decreased charging rate (and reduced acc, and ae few more changes). Mach E ownwers also put a class suit (I do not know how it ended). I think both cases even thou different problems, were caused by lack of field testing, as fails showed vry early after purchase.
My charging failures were immediate. The manual has a section that directs users to decrease charging current if charging stops abruptly. They knew it was a problem and chose to release it that way.
@@JesseGuest Thanks for the feedback.
I had this issue with my I5 in the UK.
Hyundai said it was a known fault with the charging cable getting to hot and were replacing any under a recall which I didn’t get. However I’ve had no issues since I received the replacement 🤞
This seems to be most useful comment, but people don't reply or thumb up because it's not crapping on hyundai and kia. lol
I only charge at a high speed charger less than 5% of the time and when I charge at home I have my adapter set to charge at 16 amps, here in Phoenix lately my garage will be close to 100 degrees and still have had no charging issues. I have read that when charging Teslas at super chargers to put a wet towel on the charge handle so speeds wouldn’t slow down could this be an industry wide problem and just now rearing is ugly head. Regardless of quirky problems driving an EV it is so much more enjoyable to drive and operate I will never go back to ice.
Some friends have an ionic 5 here in Perth and level 2 charging works perfectly with the type 2 connector, maybe it is just an issue with the type 1 connector used in places like the US and Canada, in the UK there has been no issues with friends cars (Kia and Hyundai) what so ever and they use a type 2 connector
Hi , I have a 2023 Ioniq 6. I live in the US and had a 240 volt 50 amp service installed to charge from home. I purchased a portable 240 volt /40 amp charger. I’ve used it three times with no issues. I’ve been using the free public charging station. What should I look out for?
I have a Ev6 here in the uk and to date I haven’t had any problems so far. And like you Sam haven’t used a rapid charger both in this car or the E Niro before it .
Thanks, I have an EV6, I have seen charge speeds of 230 Kw, it is quite scary to think of the current that must be flowing and the charger makes a scary low frequency hum, the charging cable is liquid cooled, not sure how big the conductors are in the car.
All that DC flowing through the CCS contacts is scary, can well imagine they can overheat on DC, but surely not with slow speed AC.
I am driving my EV6 AWD since 12/2021 more than 36.000km by now. No issues at all during charching. 11kW AC at home. 100%SOC no problem and on a long trip 240kW DC charching also no problem at all. At 47% SOC 224kW and at 80% SOC 156kW. In Austria we are using a 3 phase power system. Maybe thats why I dont have charging issues.
You asked about AC/DC charging statistics. In the last 10 months with a Tesla M3 AWD, AC is 58% and DC is 42%. I have made 3 long trips in this period and only charge at home when not on a long trip.
Cover the Tesla range issue (scandal?) reported by Reuters. Important for your brand to get your take out there.
As someone who doesn’t have access to a home charger, I fast charge 99% of the time. Luckily, the closest fast charger to where I live is 100 feet away. I also know a lot of other people who live in an apartment building and can only rely on fast charging.
I did experience a charging fault last week in my EV6 GT when it was exceptionally hot in the garage. It would charge for an hour then stop. I've since dropped the current setting to 90% max or to 8300 W and so far no issues. Using Charge Point home flex. Dropping the current has seemed to help other owners.
Makes me glad that electric cars are only bought by the simple 😂😂 not by the clued up as if that was the case then fuck me society would collapse 😅😂 hello doctor where are you .... ehh charging up 😂😂😂😂 how many hours😂😂 ehh its not charging pardon 😂😂😂 your telling me crack heads has clocked on that charging cables are rammed with copper and they have then nicked them so you can't charge up .... doesn't matter doctor I will just die it's alot more of a simple process then you coming to work lol
Good video Viking!
Sam, there are numerous EV owners who live in condos, rental apartments, high rises where charging is rarely available. These owners (I am one) charge 99% of the time at commercial chargers,not “at home.”
If I had to choose right now, I'd likely go with a Texas built 4680 battery standard range (dual motot all wheel drive) Model Y or a Freemont built LFP battery standard range (single motor rear wheel drive) Model 3. These particular vehicle platforms and battery types are more mature, safe, and reliable than most other BEVs in the American market. For now I'm keeping our decade old Kia Soul ICE car until our Cybertruck is ready in a couple of years. Also waiting for new more mature BEV platforms (e.g., Teslas $25K car, Volvo EX30) and battery types (e.g., LMFP, dry cathode & anode, silicon anode, possibly semi-solid state) to hit the market at scale circa 2025. This will likely drive prices down for both BEVs and ICE cars, accelerating the inevitable for most legacy ICE car makers too slow to adapt.
On the whole, there are very few aspects of a Tesla car that has nothing to do with China. Apart from the autopilot chips and algorithms, almost all other aspects of a Tesla car are Made In China. Thus, if you don’t like China but you drive a Tesla, then you should know that you are “swimming” in China.
@@darrenmoore3480 Actually, Tesla sources most components locally, wherever they operate. That's why Tesla's made in California (except for Model 3 Standard Range batteries from CATL) or Texas have a higher percentage of American made components than any other car manufacturer.
Sam, haven't I said, I would talk with Mr Akio Toyoda, the president of the council of Toyota Motor Company, because I'm also concerned about their future...
Last Sunday I met Mr Koji Sato, the CEO of the company, but I didn't realise it was him! Anyway I asked him and his three "friends" to stand a little bit closer to each other for a better picture. And they agreed, and then I told them that I got a small personal gift from Mr Akio Toyoda in 2019. At that time Mr Toyoda shined like a rising sun when I took pictures of him...
Charged my car last night at 36a . Plugged it in at 19% at 630p. It initially said 7hrs and 20 min to 100%. Unplugged it at 330a and have 71%
0% for where i live we dont have any fast chargers on big island of Hawaii
I have an older charger and I found the car tries to pull more amps than the charger can handle. That kept tripping my car to stop the charger and it says charger fault. The new EVs need to have the ability to set the amps pulling from a charger like Teslas.
I have a 2023 EV6 Wind rear wheel drive. I use a Level 2 ChargePoint at 32amps and as far as I can tell it stays consistent throughout the charge. Although my last charge from 10% to 100% took 11h 23m to complete according to the ChargePoint app. That does seem a little slow, but it made it to 100% and has charged every time to the level I selected.
Charging is a logarithmic curve. it took 40 minutes to 80%, another 2 hours to 95%, another 5 hours to 99% and finally 4 hours to 100%….
I am just kidding with u… but it is true to long to charge to 100%
Charging 100% is stupidity.@@UYT7715Flower
The only time I used a supercharger or paid for charging was when I picked up the car from Tesla and drove it home 900km 7 months ago. Otherwise, always charged at home via solar. Perfect
Hello Sam, had a race down the freeway 3 mod 3s , 2 Ys and an S awesome! Convoy! Wiping out every German eyesore in sight! You could almost feel the awwww 😂
Only one of a long list of recalls and lawsuits against these companies.
Good to know.
ya they dont like 48 A AC charging,, also the iccu to charge the 12 V batt fails a fair bit ,, there is a recall i think on that
ICCU recall problem done on mine (EV6) at 9500mi. No problems since the repair/recall fix.
The gasoline nozzle actually cools as petrol flows through it.
I’m having this problem to some extent. The car used to charge 40 A but I’ve had to reduce it by 10% to be able to have uninterrupted charging at home. Charging at DC chargers is still working just fine. Hyundai needs to do something about this overheating situation instead of putting up Band-Aid software that strangles the home charging speed to a ridiculous extent.
That’s crazy! If I woke up in the morning and my Tesla was at 20% on my way out the door to go to work, I would be furious! Fortunately, that has never happened. My Tesla charges at 50 amps every night, 11,000 watts. Without fail.
I have an EV6, it charges at 9.6kW from my Level 2 charger at home. No issues with charging speeds/overheated plug in the six months I owned the car. I feel for those who have had experienced the reported problems.
I wonder how many of these people have addressed their charging issues with a) the installer of the plug or b) the manufacturer of the charger.
@@jaymac4448It happens on multiple different chargers and locations on my car so that answers that
A friend of mine is having the issue with his EV6. Doesn’t seem to matter what level 2 charger he uses.
Maybe it depends on the manufacturing date.
@@richard--s Also it doesn't seem to affect places that use three phase power.
Wonder if these people paid a professional to install the plug/charger or not.
Its a standard 220v circuit. Literally 3 wires, 2 hot legs and a ground, one breaker. That's also totally unrelated to the problem, which is the plug overheating in the car. Do you think they'd get better results if a professional plugged the car in every night?
@OtisFlint if it's that simple, why have some also had house fires from shabby 220 lines?
@OtisFlint I guess those fires were caused without any overheating. Must have just had matches and gasoline around the plugs and cables.
I haven't used a public charger for our EV since November 2022, when they ceased to be free to use around here. I might use one later in 2023. There really hasn't been the need for me to use high speed recharging. It costs me way less to recharge at home than it would to use public facilities.
My dad has an ID.4 that came with 2 years free charging on electrify America. He has no level 2 charging at home. His charging is 100% dc fast charge.
I have had an EV6 GT-Line in Australia for four months. It always charges at a steady 7kW for hours from my wall charger. The plug does not overheat.
Same. I have had a few issues with dc fast charging though. Almost stranded once. Long story :/. Never had an issue with home type2 7kw charger, constant 7kw. Wonder what the difference is with our cars and those having type 2 problems. Dodgy component in a certain batch??
Personally with Ioniq5, I never got this trouble too, but I'm charging at 9.6KW. The EV6, Ioniq5 in Canada and USA are advertised at 48 amps AC charging session, this mean 11 kw. At 7kw, you are far from advertised charging speed. (Near 3/5 advertised of able charging speed) 😉
@@sergiomomesso1590 yes true true but I don’t understand enough about how UK electrics are managed to understand why 7kw home charging is the standard here. My dealer has 11kw type two for example. But yes, I get it, 7 kWh does not fulfill the potential for type 2 with these cars. Electricity has never been my strong point but I enjoy driving an electric car. Just don’t ask me how it works 😂
Is this problem only happening at 120V?
I was going to buy a EV6 Gt or a GV60 Performance but saw too many issues. I bought a Model Y Performance instead.
I filled my 2002 Ford Focus in 2 minutes, the hose never overheated.
No problem with my Tesla model 3
Except that you drive a Tesla...............
V2 Superchargers can also overheat in hot conditions. It's not like that they become super slow but it is still noticable if you know your car's charging behaviour.
If you cool the cable with a wet towel or provide some shadow for it, you can see the charging speed crawling back up 😅
Telsa is really dropping the ball in HOT areas by not putting up shade at these chargers. I'm in SW Texas.. the charging handle can become nearly scaldingly hot on these 110F degree days and yeah.. the charge speed takes a sizeable drop. I've even had it stop charging a few times on the worst days. Had to move over to another charger that was cool/not being used, to finish charging. A damn sun shade over the chargers would make a huge difference here.. and can't be overly expensive. Hell, put some solar panels on it and make it even make some money back for them over the long haul. It should not be up to us to have a wet towel to throw on the damn plug. For being such smart engineers.. they should know better.
@@airheart1this was communicated to Tesla as well I take it?
@@christianvanderstap6257 Tesla has access to more data than any of us could provide them. They know the temps.. they know when a charging session is interrupted by a temperature excursion. They can see all of it with more detail and accuracy than any user can supply. This is why I say they are dropping the ball.. they know the issues.. and they're not fixing it. Not where I live anyway. New superchargers are still coming up.. and no shade or any method to keep them cool. It's not a nightmare scenario.. but it could be improved with just a bit of.. giving a shit.. about making the experience top notch. I mean, we all know Tesla's superchargers are hands down the best charging experience in existence today. That said, there's room for improvement. And shade at super sunny and hot as shit locations, is low hanging fruit.
@@airheart1 you be surprised at what companies actually know. So do tell them.
I have an ioniq 6 and zero problems as well for fast charging as home slow charging
...meanwhile the XPENG stock went up 118% between June 28th and July 28th on the European stock market.
2023 Ioniq 5 SEL AWD never had an issue with L2 charging. However I've been fast charging it because of the free two years at EA. Once that runs out will go back to L2. I have yet to see an issue with overheating however when I do charge with L2. As for DCFC this car is FAST. When it charges below the max limit it is always due to the charging station not the car. When I charge it at the "right" chargers (new SK chargers) I can easily charge to 80% in 15-20 minutes.
People do fast DC charging when they travel a lot or don’t have a home (those who live in apartments). In my case, I have a 2015 Model S with free supercharging for life (I charge at home when my off-grid solar battery is full to avoid wasting the energy). Put simply: different people have different needs. Keep that in mind.
5 percent at super charge I would say, from Virginia USA, I have a model Y and I love it. I will never buy another brand.
Afternoon mate
As I get 2 years of 30 mins free charging with my leased Ionic 6 I use fast charge every charge and have so far had no issues. 10-15 mins to 80% another 20 or so mins to 100% if I go that high.
I’m a data nerd who owns a GV-60 and thus have a Bluetooth dongle that plugs into the OBDC (under dash on far left) and lets me monitor all the things including the charge port temps from my cell phone or tablet.. never seen it get hot on either level2 AC, or DC charging even drawing 240KW. Have noticed 20C or warmer battery is the magic ingredient for full speed rapid charging in cooler weather. Glad I haven’t had an issue so far, sorry to hear others have.
OBD ports are not designed to have something plugged into them full time. Supposed to be just for testing, test drives while hooked to a code reader etc. Apparently if things go bad in your dongle (as an example) it can really screw up your cars electronics. And because of the nature of the topic, it will record what screwed it up and most mfgrs would not cover wty.
YMMV but better off knowing than not knowing. Fwiw, occasional use probably isn't going to hurt if what is plugged in is of known high quality.
People who are at high risk are those who plug in a cheap Made in China mpg dongle or any of the numerous cheap dongles.
If you want to read more on it, search the topic on Scotty Kilmer's channel. He goes into it in detail. Forewarning.. he's not an EV fan but on this topic it makes no difference.
Zero issues on 2023 limited AWD build date of June 2023. 5,100 miles, 22 EA charges, balance of charges on a 40 amp juice box
Its the same as phone...its either your charging port from cars isnt properly wired or your charging cable isnt genuine full high density cable minerals made or used some knockout cheap copper mixed minerals cable.
This isn't the first time Hyundai and Kia have had issues with their cars and don't know how to fix it. The Ioniq 28/38kWh, Kona and Kia Niro all have issues with the reduction gearbox and multiple people including ourselves have had the reduction gearbox replaced. The issue reoccurs with the new reduction gearbox and some owners have also had both the reduction gearbox and motor replaced.
I know of several people with both the Kia and Hyundai variants of these 800 volt cars none have had any problems. I own a Kia E Niro 4+ and love it indeed I also used to own the Kona Electric and both are great cars. That’s not to say that these problems don’t exist but I’m sure Hyundai / Kia will sort it out. As for the battery problems on the Kona and Bolt that’s down to the battery manufacturer and I believe is being if not already sorted. This is all new technology and there are bound to be some problems along the way, but class action litigation! That’s more about law firms making money and that’s typical of the USA.
I am pissed that my Kia EV6 cant charge as advertised. Thats what Hyundai and Kia advertised. So far these manufacturers need to step up and fix a lemon vehicle. If you spent 50-60 thousand US dollars and cant drive it , you are dam right i would get an attorney involved. If this isnt fixed in a reasonable time period this will definitely be a death blow to Hyundai/Kia Motors. Rightfully so!
@@haroldmichael3492can't drive it?
I have no issues with achieving close to max DCFC rates with optimum temperatures. So, no complaints with DCFC. My home charger max rate is 7.4kW. Never had overheating. Same at my work, we have 7.4kW and I have no issues. Tried a friends home charger which can charge higher than 7.4kW and around 35 min mark I got the charging error. Appears to be issue with J1772 port in the car.
Thank you for bringing light to this! It's horrible! I can't charge for more than 20 minutes at 48 amps here, 30-35 minutes at 40. Sometimes I can make it to over an hour with 32 before it overheats but I've had it derate all the way to 15 amps! I can't get enough charge overnight at that rate.
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A video I made a while back showing the overheating, But now that it's 110 to 115 outside here it's even worse.
Yep. I had to charge below 6 kW to prevent the charging failures. I was fortunate to have mentioned the problem at every service visit. I’m disappointed in Hyundai, I thought they wanted to be a serious contender in the segment. I guess I was wrong. 🤷♂️
I’m using 90% of the cases fast charging because I’m leaving in an apartment and can’t install a home charger
People living in apartments have a rought time. But as time passes parking will be covered by solarchargers, and charging stations will be installed. Only a a few more ev on the road is needed.
Had a Hyundai Kona EV and the car was very fragile. Sometimes the stupid charger would not release sometimes at home. It was scary as hell and couldn’t figure it out. Was so happy when I traded it in for our Tesla Model Y. Much better vehicle and great experience.
Meanwhile my BYD Atto3 goes like clockwork. No issues at all.
I charge at home at 20 amps and have had no problems.
I supercharge my Model Y = never. Always charge at home overnight.
That is how battery will last longer with 20% higher terminal range.
I think nacs is the answer for the future and a physical recall is needed for these cars.
Twice bitten, very shy for us. i40 then Santa Fe, both with lots of issues so pretty scared to try another Hyundai/Kia vehicle just yet.
Maybe need a few more years although i like their EV designs.
Very happy with our Tesla Model 3 though.
got a hyundai kona for a year now and it charges quite well at home. charging port broke and was replaced. now bought a tesla for longer trips because you can't beat the fast and widespread superchargers in all of europe against faulty, slow and different paying systems of other chargers.
Honestly, I’m sure you’re kicking yourself for not just purchasing a Tesla in the first place..
@@GM-qh2ki not really. the kona is a highly efficient ev and is maybe the perfect one to make a soft transition to evs at a not so bad price. but teslas now are on a heavy discount so I am getting rid of diesel for good.
@@GM-qh2ki Tesla aren’t the only good car our there like the other guy I’ve a Kia Niro and love it. I don’t do long runs without a break and charge points are improving. At the moment the supercharger network is the best and I can understand those who do a lot of mile buying a Tesla. Not everybody needs that, I have only ever charged away from home a handful of times and to be honest I don’t like the jellymold shape of a Tesla or the lack of proper buttons. I also don’t like the glass roof. At the end of the day we’re talking about cars not god, although some Tesla drives seem to think that Elon should be Beatified.
I got a '23 Kia EV6. At best I have been able to charge about 110 kwh at a DC fast charge. I believe it's capable of much faster.
I charge AC about 12kwh probably 99% of the time. I noticed that the cord from my Autel charger does get surprisingly (to me) very warm. It's hard wired on a 70 amp continuous duty circuit as described in the manual. To my knowledge the car has yet to ever charge at anything other than its max ac which as I said is like 11.5 or 12 kwh. So I'm assuming that warm cord is normal.
Curious though if it only charging dc at max of 110kwh is part of this issue Viking is describing? How really would ya know? It's only seen a 50 kw high speed charger and a 150 kw high speed charger once each... otherwise I'm always charging at home
Have you tried to run your battery down to a very low level such as 10% and then charging? Not sure how it works on every car, but generally the fastest charging speed is only at the lower end of capacity.
I have a taycan gts and it slows down to 2.3kwh from 8.8 at 40 amps in summer inside the garage. Simply wrap a wet towel around the charging head and you will be alright.
Humidity and fabric near an overheating electrical component, what could go wrong?
Maybe they should switch to NACS?? NACS wont have this flaw because the pins and wires are much bigger and thicker to also accommodate DC fast charging. Tesla uses an internal relay in the car and the same pins for AC or DC.
I understand that the problem is in the US where you can charge at 48A 240V 11kW single phase. Everywhere else it is limited to 32A.
Is the problem actually present during fast DC charging?
11kw charging in Europe is actually only 16A because 3 phase system. Pushing too much current generated losses and heats it. Of course design issue but still not optimum way to charge even.
Shoot, mine over heats in 10-12min
Which brand and make is that EV or PHEV starting at 00:02:39? The guy in a blue suit is plugging it in.
Sam I think we need a clearer root cause understanding before anyone should comment! Does the charging plug have a thermocouple in it? Sounds strange, but it must. If the cables and or plugs were undersized how would the charge management software know it? If that is the case that is complete delinquency.
No one ever talks about it, but *boy* am I sad that Kia chose not to bring the eSoul to the States. We had a 1st Gen Soul, and *loved it* . I think I would like it much better than the Niro, because it sits up higher, and the visibility is better from inside. The rear hatch access, and geometry of the hatch also make it better than Niro. Everyone obsesses about the *appearance* , but they're missing the point. Sorry to hear about the charging... :=(
I used to drive the eniro but when I bought it, it was a tough choice between that and the soul. I know
It’s vain but I do love the “stormtrooper” look of the soul. Tried to convince my friend to buy the
Soul but in the end she got a mokka e and it’s not half the car the soul is.
I don't trust Kia. But I felt the same about the Scion xB or the Element. I love the way they look. I think a modern Element would do well as people love out doorsy looking cars. The xB probably wouldn't do as well.
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Think many comments are from trolls here not owning a Hyundai/Kia/Genesis product. After 54 years of expensive German Premium with astronomic cost of ownership and service, I drive my EV6 AWD in Switzerland 🇨🇭 since one year and 15‘000 km on all profiles, even trackdays. Charging usually AC 11 kWh and DC at HPC with up to 240 kWh with s table mountain curve and not going down like with Tesla. Never ever the slightest problem but our electrical installations have much higher quality than in the US. I think that is not so much the cars problem and some law company wants as usual make some quick money. It’s for me with my real life experience just disgusting what is going on here. The Kia by the way is the first car ever that during its first year never saw a service center! Even with my most expensive cars I always had costly issues even during warranty time, because I lost my valuable time bringing in my new car to fix more or less important issues. Furthermore with my Kia here I have 7 years of full warranty! Many problems people report or claim to have are just out of real. I consult also fleet owners with quite a lot of cars not having any complaints besides the request for a better charge planner which in the meantime got Tesla level and is just a little more demanding.
MAYBE THEY NEED A HEATSINK AND A FAN INSIDE THE CAR, RIGHT AT THE PORT
Byd too
The Ioniq 6 does.
Have owned an EV for over two years and DC fast charger less than 2% of the time
I didn’t see the flames on this one. But it’s another video of legacy crashing and burning.
71500km driven in a RWD Ev6 LR, no issue at all. The only issue is the broken tactile door hanger, and the front light degradation, both will be replaced. At 3,5. - 11 kw no problem. Enentualy a lack of consistency in the DC fast charging power. But even when an Ev6 is not charging at optimal speed, it charges fast enough, faster than an bunch of good cars, barely wasting 5 minutes in winter sometimes.
I could not charge my Hyundai unless i kept turning it on and off, then the battery went dead even though the charge still said I had 3% left. My front right wheel fell off after a stud snapped off road. Traded it out and bought another Tesla, can’t beat Tesla
Wheels falling off is an Asian issue.
Not sure that we needed a new Viking video today. Loads of people are still arguing in the comments column of the previous” EV on fire “video
They have issues with their Charge control unit as well. ICCU failures
It is the inefficiency of the whole process creating heat/ energy loss. Going from AC to DC and to AC again for the motor.🤣
The best part is all the smug EV6/Ioniq 5 owners who posted on how much better charging was then compared to the Mach-E. Well they will continue to clog up EA chargers. With the free charging for 2 years.
The machines only work as well as the operators running them.
Lithium supply …….Australia. Your supply will be low end of decade? Would this make a good podcast for your program ?😊
Hyundai Ev’s have a lot of unintended acceleration in Korea and some people died after crashes caused fires.
Although the issue is with level 2 charging (ie. 7 kW AC home/fast charging) it appears the fault only occurs with cars with the top rate rapid charging (ie. 350 kW DC). So it may be that it is the hardware for these very high charge rates which is the real problem?
I rarely use rapid charging. I have a model year 2021 Kia e-niro 4+ and only use rapid charging on average once a month. The only improvement in EVs since I bought mine (apart from the black art of battery technology) seems to be in rapid charging rates. It is clearly important for companies as a selling point, but from my point of view a high DC rapid charging rate is at best irrelevant if not an undesirable feature. My car is the top spec e-niro and has a nominal 75 kW charging rate (lower spec versions 50 kW). Most DC rapid chargers in the UK are 50 kW and I've only very rarely got a faster rate than 50 kW. I charge to 100% before any long journey at home, and then 3 to 4 hours into the trip I may need to spend a maximum 40 minutes (but far more often just 20 minutes) to top up the battery. I need this time anyway to stretch my legs, have a pit stop, and have a coffee. Given that I think faster charging rates will possibly harm the long term life of the battery I would actually prefer to buy an EV with a low DC rapid charging rate (50 kW would be fine for me)!
These very high rapid DC charging rates are really only attractive to drivers who have not yet switched and adapted to driving EVs. The type of person who just jumps in their car, sees they need more fuel, and drives 10 minutes to a garage. Obviously a 40 minute delay when you've only driven 10 minutes would be irksome. But a big advantage of EVs is the massive savings in time and money when charging at home so you never need to drive 10 minutes to a service station. Use the technology properly and most people (taxi drivers etc. excepted) won't need a rapid charger to deliver faster than 50 kW.
BTW I think it's only Hyundai that use LG batteries, as Kia up to 2022 only used batteries from the Korean firm SK Innovation but in 2022 switched to the Chinese firm CATL because they were cheaper. See "Kia Niro EV to use CATL batteries" from electroive.com on
22 Jun 22 2022.
Fast charging: 100% because I have no way to charge at home and a new installation would not be cheaper than fast charging.
After ben drivning 3 Kia EV6’s since 2021 I have never seen a charge level below 10,9kW. My cars have the Type2-connector, could this be a Type1 related issue? Also never seen any “reports” about this in any of the European EV6 FB-groups.
What about Kona 2024 Is that a new electric system all together batteries and charger
Recently we Kia Soul Ev owners had a recall notice for some battery packs that were getting water inside them and some of them have been short circuiting and causing fires. We had our battery checked. These batteries were made by SK innovations, and Kia is having more and more problems with these batteries. They are mostly safe, but they really don't like to be supercharged. supercharging this battery is not a good idea for Kia Soul EV owners or Owners of 2012-2018 Nissan Leaf rapidgate. None of these cars had liquid cooling either.
My opinion: Get a Tesla.
I have had zero issues with my car. Charging is fast and simple. Pull up to a Supercharger (SC) and plug in. The car communicates with the station and begins charging. Tesla has your card information and you are billed once charging completes. Your car and phone app keeps you informed of the progress and notifies you when you have enough charge. You, as the customer plug-in/plug-out. A simple charging experience. Some SC's have squeegees with soapy water to wash your windows too. Although, I have seen customers literally wash their entire car while charging. On a recently completed 4,000 mile road trip I was able to pick and choose which SC's to use because Tesla has so many across the US.
BTW, I love my Model 3P.
So I guess it wasn’t just VW having recalls on ID4 lol
It’s a shame because Hyundai/Kia have great engineers and give time and testing these problems could easily have been resolved before release. Clearly due to higher management obfuscation and failure to accept the need to develop BEV products for commercial and moral reasons, they were put in the position of having to push out these vehicles quickly.