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Masuda is the main reason for BDSP, all of the love he get at gen4 games, he directed ILCA to not touch it or change anything he loves. so i think ILCA just said "okay sir if you said so."
Nah for real. They were probably told “Remake Pokemon Diamond/Pearl” and had to do it with no creative freedom. I blame the higher ups for BDSP’s quality.
nah i think its cuz they dont got alot of people working on the games compared to other big games. they work on each new gen for many many years before it gets announced
I think most people haven’t seen the concept art they made for BDSP, which showed they were trying to make wayyyyy better remakes, but Masuda wanted chibi and they had to scale down. If they’re given another project not restricted by Gamefreak, they could make something on par with One Piece Odyssey
@@justzanu9338Thsts a more logical way to think about it. As much as I hope they would be given time to make a great game, ILCA would still be working with Gamefreak here, being forced to release a rushed game that pales in comparison to their full ambition
The entire direction for ILCA was probably this. *gets handed a copy of diamond and pearl* "Do this. Add the ability to box anywhere and rooms full of Pokémon in the underground."
The Pokémon Company has registered a new subsidiary called "Pokémon Works" and is located in the same building as ILCA. We have no idea what this is about, but we can speculate that TPC and ILCA have set up a support studio to help Game Freak develop new games in the future.
Maybe thats why Z-A has a long development time. ILCA knows how to make a game to our expectations, and Gamefreak knows Pokemon. They gotta work together on one game as one studio to learn from each other
@@flookarazILCA knows how to make a game to our expectations? Their only track record has been BDSP which are by far the worst Pokémon titles on the Switch so I’m interested where you get that from lol
ILCA not only made One Piece Odyssey, but are making the brand new Sand Land game as well, i.e., one of the last Toriyama projects before he passed, and it looks amazing!
Thank you ttar for calling those fans out, being in the fanbase sucks sometimes because those people make it toxic and a disaster because they trash a LOT more then just bdsp (pretty much every single game in the series after gen 4)
Pokémon has one of the most toxic fanbases I’ve ever seen, not LoL bad but up there. If you go on Twitter and TH-cam most people just want an echo chamber of people agreeing with them and if you have a different opinion they shit on you and make out you’re the worst person ever. For example, after the Legends ZA reveal I said in a comment section that I was surprised there was no second game for this year and I was immediately attacked, got called all the names under the sun and was told I’m the thing wrong with the fanbase. The internet was a mistake, seriously.
@DresdenShuffle lmao ironic of them to say you're what's wrong with the fanbase, I don't agree with the fact there should be a game this year because Gamefreak themselves said they would take longer to produce their games for better quality so I'm glad to see they're keeping their word and releasing the next game next year, and also it is and isn't, the issue is that those " fans" are just a very VERY vocal minority, one I find equally as bad is the dragon ball fambase, like idk why you call yourself a fan when everything in the franchise save the first 4 gens is shit, the other issue is those people don't know what critiscm is, like saying "I don't like that they took away the national dex because they point of the franchise is to catch them all and bring them with you to the next game" is good valid critiscm not "this I'd stupid as fuck and gamefreak is lazy and makes horrible games now", let's not talk about their hypocrisy "gamefreak should do something new they've been using the same shit formula for 25 years" gamefreak tries something new "why would gamefreak change this, this game is shit they should have kept it like the other games this is stupid and lazy" (look at SM, USUM, LGPE, PLA), etc. I can keep going on and and on about everything that's wrong with those "fans"
If LoL was as buggy as Scarlet and Violet, there would be no LoL aside from the laughing at how embarassingly incompetent Riot games would be considered.
From a technical PoV, BDSP wasn't a bad game. It was a bad game because of creative choices (not using Platinum) and lack of new content. The developer themselves, I'll say are competent.
did you see the game at launch? It was a glitchy broken mess. You could reach the credits in 15 minutes from starting the game 😭. Yes the game’s core features worked, but there were so many bugs and glitches is not even funny. However I will say, at least the performance is good, unlike Scarlet and Violet
If twitter is a bunch of people that repeat everything they read like brainless kids,that's a pretty bad yikes for humanity and for critical thinking in general.
@@Gimas96It isn’t just Twitter. It’s people online in general. TH-cam comment sections, Insta, Tumblr, even Facebook? Even back in the day, game forums and discussion boards were mad toxic.
@@komarunaegi7460reddit is awful too because you get the worlds least funny jokes at the top voted answer on every post. And it’s always the same damn 5+ years old meme too
Its because the fandom expected something like Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire from Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl: a remake that looks way better, with added mechanics from the present generation, and extra stuff. Rememeber, until now, Pokemon Game Remakes had added extra stuff besides the graphic upgrade: -Fire Red/ Leaf Green added more Pokemon and a side quest -HeartGold/SoulSilver fixed many things from the originals Gold and Silver and added extra places and Legendaries. -Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire added Mega Evolution, Delta Episode, and tons of Pokemon from different regions (Yes, they didn't add The Battle Frontier, but that was from Emerald, not Ruby/Sapphire) Instead, we got Diamond and Pearl, but with better graphics, and a few fixes here and there. No new Pokemon, no new mechanic, just a couple of places (and the special events we didnt get) So, it feels like... a step back. One that if we accept, it will tell the Pokemon Company to not put too much effort in their games, as they will still be sold. I dont blame ILCA for that. I blade the ones who made the choce to make BDSP exactly as DP with few extras.
Yes THIS. This is exactly how I feel. ORAS was so good because it added so much and made Ruby and Sapphire so much better. Granted I've never played any of the games before gen 6 but I really enjoyed ORAS and LGPE. I was excited for DP remakes because I wanted to play the games but with all the updates we've gotten so far in the series. Sadly that's not what we got so it wasn't that great... although I did have fun playing it the first time since I never played DP but after I finished it... I was so done with it and wanted Legends to come out so badly. It would've been so much better if they changed and added more stuff
Honestly, I'm just happy to see how honest of a person Thamill is, like he doesn't start saying things just cause everyone else said it, he literally thinks about it himself and based on so many other ways of looking at things before jumping in
my issue with BDSP wasnt ILCA, although they got all the flack. But the issue was that it was a 'faithful' remake, which most of us didnt want. As someone who started with Sinnoh, I feel like it got done dirty and just wanted somthing different (like just throw in megas to change the story a bit)
If Gamefreak made the Sinnoh remakes it’d be in Gen 8’s art style with Gigantamaxing Sinnoh starter forms and even a Bede or Marnie cameo, but nah y’all hated SwSh so much they resorted Sinnoh to trash Chibi 😂
The reason why most people hated bdsp is not because of the chibi artstyle, but because they literally just made the same games but with better graphics when everyone wanted additional new stuff like they did with hgss or oras.
Tbh, I enjoyed the game. I didn’t even know that people heated bdsp until just a few days ago. I have been watching a lot of pokemon videos lately and I feel like I was the only person who enjoyed the game 😂
@@lwiki4550You're not alone i liked the game too, and it improved on where the old games lacked, people these days just want to complain about everything. (It doesn't have megas, dynamax, regional variants) saying bdsp is garbage is basically saying the original is garbage since it is almost a 1:1 copy. It was still a good game but because it didn't have "extra content" and it wasn't the best just makes it bad even though it's still good
The way I see it, I think what might be being said is that they are no longer working with ILCA directly but instead this new company spun out of ILCA (and probably also has some Pokémon staff) called Pokemon works, given that apparently it is based in the same building as ILCA. Although obviously not much is known about Pokemon Works yet it might well make sense.
Thank you for being the one to say this. I've loved bdsp from the start, and I don't think people realize the lack of "free will" ILCA truly had when re making those games. Love your content, man 🙏🏻
Ttar you are completely right, people jump to conclusions way too fast, ILCA could make great things, we have only seen BDSP which for all we know could have been what Pokémon/Higher Ups wanted, not what they are capable of if given the time, resources and freedom.
ILCA is a support studio that does their own thing they're nowhere near as tied to Pokemon as you appear to think they are and any project could just be given to another Studio like Bandai Namco's Studio S Or ILCA could have just walked away when you compare BDSP to their other projects like One Piece Odyssey they're clearly not incompetent it's more likely that TPCI put restrictions on them that they didn't like (and it's what the problem ACTUALLY is not Game Freak)
I really hope that gen 5 remake(s) isnt just left to ilca as some cheap side thing. But i kind of doubt that theyd make that mistake again. You're right about the chibi thing and its a good thing to remember that ilca doesnt equal chibi.
They can’t do that with the Gen 5 haters still around and Gen 5 fans who expect high standards it’s a hot mess to deal with. They CANT do a Faithful remake of Unova since the original BW1 games were hated solely for the dex only being Unova pokemon. Gamefreak can’t do that especially when gen 5 mons gotten new evolutions like Basculegeon and Kingambit.
@a.x.x8184 Yeah, definitely agree with both of yall. It's kind of a messy situation right now. They should take some time with them and not rush them out, not only for quality reasons, but for the reasons you said as well.
I personally loved the aesthetic and look of BDSP and agree that GF should implement ILCA into future (on ongoing titles). I liked the feeling of an old school Pokémon game with colour graphics that boosted from the original, plus the music from the game is amazing. If Khu is saying their out, that could mean either that they physically are out or the metaphoric answer that they are out there making the next games with GF. Anyhow, keep up the great videos TTar, really liking the uploads regarding Z-A, think we're all in for a treat for that game in ways that we will enjoy for years to come. All the best from Poland!
I genuinely believe that ICLA could've made beautiful Gen 4 remakes if they had been left alone because I've heard that the chibi style was a surprise to ILCA. BDSP are remasters with some new stuff instead of being remakes. They should've been able to add the Platinum improvements and a Distortion Episode like ORAS had the Delta Episode.
I assume the Pokemon Company was like “15 million? You made 15 million on a remake of the generation people have been asking for the most? To the point it was meme’d for years? You’re not working on Pokemon ever gain. Pathetic…” Not even counting the chibis either. Maybe TPC learned it’s better to make their games in house than collab with 3rd party…but what happened to S/V? Think that was simply rushed. Hopefully Legends Kalos is worth the wait, to never chibi again and never rush again. Time will tell. Just listen to fans, we know what we want in these games more than even the developers most of the time
My problem with BDSP wasn’t the chibi graphics or game play. The story was pretty much an exact one-to-one with the original games, when I at least excepted a couple main elements from Platinum. But i could still accept that. What really got me mad was how they butchered the Pokemon Contests. That was one of my favorite features that were added in gen 3 and 4. I struggled a bit with the dress up portions before, and was happy that it was removed. But the only thing it is now is dancing, with only one chance to use a move. I can’t believe they changed it that much. Not to mention you can barely make poffins alone now because one burn will ruin them. The game as a whole was good, but it ruined my favorite part.
YO ttar was absolutely SPITTING with this video, that philosophy of removing oneself from the general opinion so often repeated without thought spoke to me SO MUCH, even outside pokemon
I have been giving ILCA a bunch of slack for BDSP since BDSP was their first game. Seeing them make One Piece Oddessy is... Insane... Give ILCA another chance, BUT it HAS to be shown as a "Remaster" rather than remake since I feel like that's where a bunch of the hatred for BDSP comes from
A cursory scroll through the internet showed me ILCA is now working very closely with Bandai Namco, with the two of them opening an co-owning a new studio. So, not sure if Nintendo/GameFreak dropped ILCA, but I think its safe to say ILCA have gone their own way.
You are the voice of reason that we need on the Internet these days Ttar. I agree, people need to develop their own opinions! We need more middle-of-the-road, unique opinions, rather than repetitive, polarizing opinions over and over again.
I definitely agree with you honestly, they can do amazing when given proper things to do. The Pokémon company is why the game wasn't so amazing graphic wise but the colors were great plus making the game hard was wonderful but I still swept Cynthia using a Quiver Dancing Wormadam.
The first reveal of Pokémon Legends: Arceus was released on February 26, 2021. Then the official game was released on January 28, 2022. I reckon now that since the Pokémon Legends: Z-A trailer was released on February 27 of this year, the official game will released on January 29, 2025. An 11 months and 2 days wait.
I would prefer gamefreak get the help they need for 3D games… they are struggling with performance issues and it got worse on the switch…. Which is surprising since in the 3ds days the only preformace issue was when you activated the 3D effects... ILCA actually made a good One piece 3D game and from the leak concept art for BDSP, it seems that they originally did not want to do a chibi art style… so this makes me think.” gamefreak kind of Clipped ILCA’s wings and just told them to do a faitful remake… which is messed up on gamefreaks end if this is true.
ILCA might not be a bad company but they still get blame when they did what they were told, pokemon works sounds like it's going to be a fall guy company in otherwords if things once again goes wrong ILCA can shield their selves with this new company
My theory it that we will still NOT have any game by this year. if ILCA is still on the board, and working on another game, probably that game is still in early stages of development, and will come out on 2026. Probably is just me that i really want to believe that nothing is coming out this year, that they will finally take some time to work on a proper game.
It's not just about the Chibi graphics. It's about how uninspired and restricted their remakes were compared to the originals and to every other remade gen before. Fire Red added everything from the original games plus a bunch of islands, and modern pokemon abilities. Heart Gold gave us everything from Crystal Version plus the Pokeathelon, plus follower pokemon and a new female character. ORAS gave us most of what Emrald gave us minus battle Frontier, plus a new sneaking mechanic that changed Nuzlocks, and a Delta episode and new Megas and more. But then Ilca gives us games that don't have any of Platinums additions. It was literally just diamond and pearl with a few new wierd caves with some free roaming pokemon with a complicated statue system to unlock dex fillers like Skitty and Ladyba. 3 previous generations of remakes has given us to cause to expect these games to not only give us near everything the original third version of a game gave us, but to also give us a new experience of the game with follower pokemon, new catching mechanics, new fleshed out characters within team rocket and the Pokémon Contest, new spins using modern gimmicks like megas, new areas or towns, and more. The only thing we saw we might not get in remakes is battle towers and we hated that but oh well, one lame thing in trade for lots of good. BDSP was none of those things we've come to expect at minimum.
Yes BDSP was a mediocre product. But the argument here was it ILCA at fault or was it gamefreak. ILCA has shown in One Piece Odyssey that they are capable of making games at a way higher level than gamefreak. Yet, when under gamefreak's supervision to make a Pokemon game, they come up short.
I never hated the chibis in BDSP. I can see how they look weird but I don’t mind them. I do agree that BDSP objectively aren’t good because they’re too similar to the original and don’t even try to have many new features.
Okay but what did Gamefreak “train” ILCA for? Dudes just did what they were told, they didn’t “improve” or anything for the next game. They probably would have done a better job if the chibi limitation wasnt a thing.
ILCA originally gave the idea for the D/P remakes to be in the Legends playstyle, but they took that idea and split it to two, making the 2 gen 8 D/P games we know. They even had scetches of what the remake could've been it's kind of sad, look it up.
There’s a new trademark called Pokemon Works, leaked to be a collab of sorts with directors of ILCA and TPC on board, so rather than them being out, I think they’re consolidating
BDSP was all that I expected it to be and all they advertised. Did it have issues with glitches and stuff? Sure, but the art style was approved by the Pokemon Company, it's not like they went rogue. I wouldn't mind if they remade all the gameboy games that way for the switch
i would trust ILCA in remastering the gamecube games Pokemon Collosseum and Gale of Darkness or even continuing the Crypto arc story in a different region, lets enjoy time and some good coke and popcorn shall we guys?
It wasn’t just the chibi graphics. It was also all the cut Platinum content, I heard way more complaints about that before the graphics were even a point of discussion
I’m still clinging with my theory that BDSP was a sacrificial lamb that was cooked up quickly after gamefreak got cold feet around legends arceus and wanted a more traditional gen 4 experience.
I enjoy that phrase, "punching down at." I can't really contribute to this topic, as Legends Arceus was the first Pokemon game I played (besides Pokemon Go). It's really fun to see you passionate, and it's obvious that you really want Pokemon to do well!
I think ILCA is probably getting through some sort of restructurisation, they fkd up badly with the method of storing Pokemon data in the game, and it was later a problem to transfer to Home, so they had to put extra hours and crunch Home update and had to create bypass program for every single BDSP pokemon separately.
I truly believe ILCA could come back with a Pokemon Ranger games. They certainly could revive it, considering the Ranger games just has the most barest of minimum criteria.
I feel like I remember seeing a post from a different leaker a long time ago saying that ILCA wouldn’t be doing anything else for pokemon co because Pokémon co didn’t like what ILCA did to the franchise aka making too faithful of a remake and angering fans. When all the fake leaks of ILCA black white came out, I didn’t believe them for a second because I remembered this.
EDIT: Just Realised that What Khu's Talking about was that ILCA was Dissolved and Rebranded as Pokémon Works, an Official Second-Party Development Studio... People could Easily be taking Khu's Tweet wrong - What if ILCA's only 'Gone' because they've already been Working on a Game for a Year or Two? Plus the Question was about Late 2024, a Game could technically still be Shadow Dropped in Mid 2024, though you'd think Nintendo would want to Advertise it...
I Support your argument 100%. Most people on the internet are too Confidently political about ILCA. And the mir fact that Masuda directed BDSP how can anyone straight up blame ILCA
Pokemon games going forward just use Sun/Moon or S/S trailer models. I’d not wanna be put in baby mode forever 🙄 The fanbase is literally over 20 years old at this point, GF gotta know this by now
I doubt ILCA was fired since there was an article 3 days ago talking about Game Freak making a new subsidiary called "Pokemon Works", and ILCA joined in on it.
Expecting Pokemon to let ILCA make a dope game (with the threat of our shining the main games) is like expecting TTAR to make these thought essay longer than 30 mins....like sure it's possible but we all know that we won't get what we want 😂
Truthfully, BDSP was supposed to have graphics much better and everything was originally going to be upscaled and more in-line to something from the other remakes as in about in the style of the most recent game based on the concept art of the game. But there's a good chance that some higher up made them tone down the graphics and scale things down.
I know it wasn’t ILCA’s fault that the Gen 4 remakes ended up how they did. But if I’m completely honest, I wouldn’t want ILCA working on any more remakes because I know GAMEFREAK is going to make them do something lazy, or wait, FAITHFUL again. I’m honestly just very upset my first set of Pokémon games ended up the way they did with their remakes. And that can’t be undone. I’m gonna have to wait another decade or two for those to ever be remade again, and that’s a depressing thought.
i think ILCA would cook with a octopath traveller 2.5d graphical styled remaster of gen 5 since their main thing before they made bdsp was just graphics and effects in games
That’s absolutely disgusting and would be worse than BdSp. You people are why BdSp exist for wanting old graphics modernized like eeew no. I prefer Unova in Breath of the wild graphics
@@a.x.x8184 maybe for a legends game but if theyre rereleasing it id rather a nice and pretty remaster rather than a remake that will be inevitably worse. you clearly dont actually care about unova if you think the graphics are gross, that game is gorgeous
It was just confirmed not long ago that pokemon and ilca have formed a new group called “pokemon works” this mean while yes ilca is “out” they are still in with pokemon works
T tar is a legend from your takes thank u so much because I enjoy brilliant diamond. If people are upset about the chibi graphics but that is how Pokemon started 😂😂😂
T tar, l love the video man and I agree with you on bdsp, I actully enjoyed playing through it and I think its not bad at all like yes it doesnt beat the origianl games but still offers fun gen 4 stuff and I love gen 4 so it made it way more fun to play again, knowing that legends arceus was on the way made it just that better for me.
I definitely hear you on ILCA. The studio in my opinion is not bad. The remake I don’t think was bad either. But if it were going to be to be a 1 for 1 remake you can’t justify $60 when the game launched on DS for $30. This has been my problem with pokemon since it has launched on their switch. The handheld games were cheaper but when the switch brought handheld to the dock-able console they justify every game they launch as being worth the full price of a triple A game. Aside from Scarlet and violet they really don’t deserve that price tag. To be quite honest they could probably profit even if the games were $10 a title.
I waa under the impression ILCA was forced to make the graphics faithful, instead of going of their concept art, It would be cool to see a secondary team expernally and more teams that are give time and creative reigns to make Pokemon titles.
I find it easy to consider that whatever are our opinions out here in the internet, the companies working for these Pokemon games are miles ahead of us in terms of how things are really going on over there in reality. We think ILCA is dumb, but it's not farfetched to consider that perhaps our opinions of ILCA wrong, and it's just that we lack perspectives to see the bigger picture.
BDSP had some good changes like follow Pokémon and the underground, but took out lots of the Platinum changes. It also should’ve been sold as like a $20 eShop “remake”. The chibi graphics weren’t the main issues as with any game, it’s always the gameplay
Just remember, y’all. Even though BDSP were very underwhelming, they did a good job of turning old games into HD versions of themselves. That was what they were cornered into making.
honestly i liked Pokémon brilliant Dimond i found it fun and Pokémon Dimond way back then was first Pokémon game so just brought back a lot of nostalgia
LOL? ILCA got fired with that disaster?
LOL? ILCA got fired with that disaster?
LOL? ILCA got fired with that disaster?
Tag who watches the video to the end🐼
bro has to ask thrice
Ha
Why you sounding like a bot Ttar?
You got Dementia?
Masuda is the main reason for BDSP, all of the love he get at gen4 games, he directed ILCA to not touch it or change anything he loves. so i think ILCA just said "okay sir if you said so."
Masuda destroyed ILCA 😂
Nah for real. They were probably told “Remake Pokemon Diamond/Pearl” and had to do it with no creative freedom. I blame the higher ups for BDSP’s quality.
Exactly. Take a look at bdsp concept art. Ilca had much brighter plans
"c'mon, don't keep the things we fixed in platinum for this to not be one of the worst pokemon generations!"
@@nurifu_nightlyI’m sorry for you Sinnoh fans as a Gen 5 fan I’m scared for the remakes 😢
I'll be honest, the lack of devopment time is Pokemon greatest enemy.
even with more time they really need better devs. GF had more then a year to fix S&V and the game still runs and looks like ass
@@ActionAbe1the games visuals were never going to be fixed. Didn't know why you think that it would be
nah i think its cuz they dont got alot of people working on the games compared to other big games. they work on each new gen for many many years before it gets announced
The games are always great I don’t care about the bugs
This man stating a fact right here
I think most people haven’t seen the concept art they made for BDSP, which showed they were trying to make wayyyyy better remakes, but Masuda wanted chibi and they had to scale down. If they’re given another project not restricted by Gamefreak, they could make something on par with One Piece Odyssey
By "out", its souds like Ilca doesn't wanna take gamefreak anymore, with the rush time given, and the backlash is not worth it
@@justzanu9338Thsts a more logical way to think about it. As much as I hope they would be given time to make a great game, ILCA would still be working with Gamefreak here, being forced to release a rushed game that pales in comparison to their full ambition
The art style is nothing even close to a problem. I’m sick of people complaining about it when there are so many ACTUALLY bad things about BDSP.
@@Joseph_Drew_III Im not saying the artstyle is a problem, im saying that ILCA could’ve done a lot more
stop being shmeat rider @@Joseph_Drew_III
The entire direction for ILCA was probably this.
*gets handed a copy of diamond and pearl*
"Do this. Add the ability to box anywhere and rooms full of Pokémon in the underground."
also gen 8 pokemon stats and movesets no?
+ Fairy type
+ permanent Exp. Share
+ automatic Affection (merged with Friendship)
The Pokémon Company has registered a new subsidiary called "Pokémon Works" and is located in the same building as ILCA.
We have no idea what this is about, but we can speculate that TPC and ILCA have set up a support studio to help Game Freak develop new games in the future.
Maybe thats why Z-A has a long development time. ILCA knows how to make a game to our expectations, and Gamefreak knows Pokemon. They gotta work together on one game as one studio to learn from each other
@@flookarazILCA knows how to make a game to our expectations? Their only track record has been BDSP which are by far the worst Pokémon titles on the Switch so I’m interested where you get that from lol
@@noahlefebvre29 their one piece game was really good
and there's a sand land game incoming by them in a month that looks really good too
@@noahlefebvre29 dude they made One Piece Odyssey......
@@flookaraz talking about their Pokémon track record
ILCA not only made One Piece Odyssey, but are making the brand new Sand Land game as well, i.e., one of the last Toriyama projects before he passed, and it looks amazing!
Thank you ttar for calling those fans out, being in the fanbase sucks sometimes because those people make it toxic and a disaster because they trash a LOT more then just bdsp (pretty much every single game in the series after gen 4)
Pokémon has one of the most toxic fanbases I’ve ever seen, not LoL bad but up there. If you go on Twitter and TH-cam most people just want an echo chamber of people agreeing with them and if you have a different opinion they shit on you and make out you’re the worst person ever. For example, after the Legends ZA reveal I said in a comment section that I was surprised there was no second game for this year and I was immediately attacked, got called all the names under the sun and was told I’m the thing wrong with the fanbase. The internet was a mistake, seriously.
@DresdenShuffle lmao ironic of them to say you're what's wrong with the fanbase, I don't agree with the fact there should be a game this year because Gamefreak themselves said they would take longer to produce their games for better quality so I'm glad to see they're keeping their word and releasing the next game next year, and also it is and isn't, the issue is that those " fans" are just a very VERY vocal minority, one I find equally as bad is the dragon ball fambase, like idk why you call yourself a fan when everything in the franchise save the first 4 gens is shit, the other issue is those people don't know what critiscm is, like saying "I don't like that they took away the national dex because they point of the franchise is to catch them all and bring them with you to the next game" is good valid critiscm not "this I'd stupid as fuck and gamefreak is lazy and makes horrible games now", let's not talk about their hypocrisy "gamefreak should do something new they've been using the same shit formula for 25 years" gamefreak tries something new "why would gamefreak change this, this game is shit they should have kept it like the other games this is stupid and lazy" (look at SM, USUM, LGPE, PLA), etc. I can keep going on and and on about everything that's wrong with those "fans"
@@DresdenShuffle ^
If LoL was as buggy as Scarlet and Violet, there would be no LoL aside from the laughing at how embarassingly incompetent Riot games would be considered.
The way he phrashed that sounded like all of ILCA got assassinated by Pokemon ninjas after they f'd up the DP remakes
Sent the Greninja, Shedinja, Ninjask, Weavile, and Accelgor
@@MegaMew204oh god not shednija
Jesus loves you
@@Oreca2005Jesus loves you
@@MegaMew204Jesus loves you
You’re missing the fact that ILCA are the ones who maintain Pokémon HOME. They’re not going anywhere
Yeah how can people forget that
From a technical PoV, BDSP wasn't a bad game. It was a bad game because of creative choices (not using Platinum) and lack of new content. The developer themselves, I'll say are competent.
Agreed, I liked it, just needed more content. A lot of people also never played the originals & liked them.
did you see the game at launch? It was a glitchy broken mess. You could reach the credits in 15 minutes from starting the game 😭. Yes the game’s core features worked, but there were so many bugs and glitches is not even funny. However I will say, at least the performance is good, unlike Scarlet and Violet
15million sales shows that it did well for them
@@Slimeonian They dont care about that, they only care about sales. and 15mil in sales proves it was a good game for them
@@Slimeonian The bugs and glitches they had where almost the same as the originals lol
dude your twitter rant is so extremely real
If twitter is a bunch of people that repeat everything they read like brainless kids,that's a pretty bad yikes for humanity and for critical thinking in general.
@@Gimas96yeah, exactly
@@Gimas96It isn’t just Twitter. It’s people online in general. TH-cam comment sections, Insta, Tumblr, even Facebook? Even back in the day, game forums and discussion boards were mad toxic.
@@komarunaegi7460reddit is awful too because you get the worlds least funny jokes at the top voted answer on every post. And it’s always the same damn 5+ years old meme too
he locked up
ok to be fair if bdsp had platinum content it would have been a goated game. i assume ilca was told they had to he faithful
Exactly
you cant blame ILCA for that though, it was probably a decision made by Gamefreak
@@Knights0fBloodyeap. That’s the point
Its because the fandom expected something like Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire from Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl: a remake that looks way better, with added mechanics from the present generation, and extra stuff. Rememeber, until now, Pokemon Game Remakes had added extra stuff besides the graphic upgrade:
-Fire Red/ Leaf Green added more Pokemon and a side quest
-HeartGold/SoulSilver fixed many things from the originals Gold and Silver and added extra places and Legendaries.
-Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire added Mega Evolution, Delta Episode, and tons of Pokemon from different regions (Yes, they didn't add The Battle Frontier, but that was from Emerald, not Ruby/Sapphire)
Instead, we got Diamond and Pearl, but with better graphics, and a few fixes here and there. No new Pokemon, no new mechanic, just a couple of places (and the special events we didnt get)
So, it feels like... a step back. One that if we accept, it will tell the Pokemon Company to not put too much effort in their games, as they will still be sold.
I dont blame ILCA for that. I blade the ones who made the choce to make BDSP exactly as DP with few extras.
Yes THIS. This is exactly how I feel. ORAS was so good because it added so much and made Ruby and Sapphire so much better. Granted I've never played any of the games before gen 6 but I really enjoyed ORAS and LGPE. I was excited for DP remakes because I wanted to play the games but with all the updates we've gotten so far in the series. Sadly that's not what we got so it wasn't that great... although I did have fun playing it the first time since I never played DP but after I finished it... I was so done with it and wanted Legends to come out so badly. It would've been so much better if they changed and added more stuff
Honestly, I'm just happy to see how honest of a person Thamill is, like he doesn't start saying things just cause everyone else said it, he literally thinks about it himself and based on so many other ways of looking at things before jumping in
my issue with BDSP wasnt ILCA, although they got all the flack. But the issue was that it was a 'faithful' remake, which most of us didnt want.
As someone who started with Sinnoh, I feel like it got done dirty and just wanted somthing different (like just throw in megas to change the story a bit)
If Gamefreak made the Sinnoh remakes it’d be in Gen 8’s art style with Gigantamaxing Sinnoh starter forms and even a Bede or Marnie cameo, but nah y’all hated SwSh so much they resorted Sinnoh to trash Chibi 😂
The reason why most people hated bdsp is not because of the chibi artstyle, but because they literally just made the same games but with better graphics when everyone wanted additional new stuff like they did with hgss or oras.
better graphics is debateable. I refer the pixel graphics of the original.
Tbh, I enjoyed the game. I didn’t even know that people heated bdsp until just a few days ago. I have been watching a lot of pokemon videos lately and I feel like I was the only person who enjoyed the game 😂
@@lwiki4550 did you play the original games? it's basically 1:1.
@@lwiki4550You're not alone i liked the game too, and it improved on where the old games lacked, people these days just want to complain about everything. (It doesn't have megas, dynamax, regional variants) saying bdsp is garbage is basically saying the original is garbage since it is almost a 1:1 copy. It was still a good game but because it didn't have "extra content" and it wasn't the best just makes it bad even though it's still good
The way I see it, I think what might be being said is that they are no longer working with ILCA directly but instead this new company spun out of ILCA (and probably also has some Pokémon staff) called Pokemon works, given that apparently it is based in the same building as ILCA. Although obviously not much is known about Pokemon Works yet it might well make sense.
This
Welp just announced ilca got a division in pokemon building
Love how this came out, right before the news with ILCA
Love when TyranitarTube has that hype era, Love to eat up all his videos
This guy's so good at getting me to look at the bigger picture most of the time and that's why I love his discussions
Pretty bad timing, pokemon works was found out to be a joint between ILCA and TPC. Love u TTAR
Thank you for being the one to say this. I've loved bdsp from the start, and I don't think people realize the lack of "free will" ILCA truly had when re making those games. Love your content, man 🙏🏻
Ttar you are completely right, people jump to conclusions way too fast, ILCA could make great things, we have only seen BDSP which for all we know could have been what Pokémon/Higher Ups wanted, not what they are capable of if given the time, resources and freedom.
They should really fire GameFreak save some design consultants and keep ILCA.
ILCA is a support studio that does their own thing they're nowhere near as tied to Pokemon as you appear to think they are and any project could just be given to another Studio like Bandai Namco's Studio S
Or ILCA could have just walked away when you compare BDSP to their other projects like One Piece Odyssey they're clearly not incompetent it's more likely that TPCI put restrictions on them that they didn't like (and it's what the problem ACTUALLY is not Game Freak)
but nothings saying they are out of the picture just that "they" are not making a game this year
I really hope that gen 5 remake(s) isnt just left to ilca as some cheap side thing. But i kind of doubt that theyd make that mistake again. You're right about the chibi thing and its a good thing to remember that ilca doesnt equal chibi.
I really hope they dont remake Gen 5 ANYtime soon.
They can’t do that with the Gen 5 haters still around and Gen 5 fans who expect high standards it’s a hot mess to deal with.
They CANT do a Faithful remake of Unova since the original BW1 games were hated solely for the dex only being Unova pokemon. Gamefreak can’t do that especially when gen 5 mons gotten new evolutions like Basculegeon and Kingambit.
@a.x.x8184 Yeah, definitely agree with both of yall. It's kind of a messy situation right now. They should take some time with them and not rush them out, not only for quality reasons, but for the reasons you said as well.
I personally loved the aesthetic and look of BDSP and agree that GF should implement ILCA into future (on ongoing titles). I liked the feeling of an old school Pokémon game with colour graphics that boosted from the original, plus the music from the game is amazing. If Khu is saying their out, that could mean either that they physically are out or the metaphoric answer that they are out there making the next games with GF. Anyhow, keep up the great videos TTar, really liking the uploads regarding Z-A, think we're all in for a treat for that game in ways that we will enjoy for years to come. All the best from Poland!
Its interesting given how they just opened a new studio in the same building as ILCA
Imagine if GF gave ILCA Gale of Darkness to remake. 😮💨
If ilca or gamefreak makes the Pokémon games doesn’t matter as long as the bosses of the Pokémon company give them more time… but their focus is money
The TCP and ILCA combined a small fraction of the staff to build Pokemon Works. ILCA is not out😂
I genuinely believe that ICLA could've made beautiful Gen 4 remakes if they had been left alone because I've heard that the chibi style was a surprise to ILCA. BDSP are remasters with some new stuff instead of being remakes. They should've been able to add the Platinum improvements and a Distortion Episode like ORAS had the Delta Episode.
People really forget ILCA Made Pokémon home
I assume the Pokemon Company was like “15 million? You made 15 million on a remake of the generation people have been asking for the most? To the point it was meme’d for years? You’re not working on Pokemon ever gain. Pathetic…” Not even counting the chibis either. Maybe TPC learned it’s better to make their games in house than collab with 3rd party…but what happened to S/V? Think that was simply rushed. Hopefully Legends Kalos is worth the wait, to never chibi again and never rush again. Time will tell. Just listen to fans, we know what we want in these games more than even the developers most of the time
BDSP is the best selling remake so far. I guarantee you they don’t think it was a failure.
ILCA has been working on sandland so im not sure of they are making anything else for Pokemon.
Pokemon Works is being stablished in the same building as ILCA, so yeah...
Ilca has been working on sandland for this year
My problem with BDSP wasn’t the chibi graphics or game play. The story was pretty much an exact one-to-one with the original games, when I at least excepted a couple main elements from Platinum. But i could still accept that. What really got me mad was how they butchered the Pokemon Contests. That was one of my favorite features that were added in gen 3 and 4. I struggled a bit with the dress up portions before, and was happy that it was removed. But the only thing it is now is dancing, with only one chance to use a move. I can’t believe they changed it that much. Not to mention you can barely make poffins alone now because one burn will ruin them. The game as a whole was good, but it ruined my favorite part.
YO ttar was absolutely SPITTING with this video, that philosophy of removing oneself from the general opinion so often repeated without thought spoke to me SO MUCH, even outside pokemon
I have been giving ILCA a bunch of slack for BDSP since BDSP was their first game. Seeing them make One Piece Oddessy is... Insane... Give ILCA another chance, BUT it HAS to be shown as a "Remaster" rather than remake since I feel like that's where a bunch of the hatred for BDSP comes from
Go look at the upcoming Sand Land game their working on....
A cursory scroll through the internet showed me ILCA is now working very closely with Bandai Namco, with the two of them opening an co-owning a new studio.
So, not sure if Nintendo/GameFreak dropped ILCA, but I think its safe to say ILCA have gone their own way.
You are the voice of reason that we need on the Internet these days Ttar. I agree, people need to develop their own opinions! We need more middle-of-the-road, unique opinions, rather than repetitive, polarizing opinions over and over again.
I definitely agree with you honestly, they can do amazing when given proper things to do. The Pokémon company is why the game wasn't so amazing graphic wise but the colors were great plus making the game hard was wonderful but I still swept Cynthia using a Quiver Dancing Wormadam.
The first reveal of Pokémon Legends: Arceus was released on February 26, 2021. Then the official game was released on January 28,
2022. I reckon now that since the Pokémon Legends: Z-A trailer was released on February 27 of this year, the official game will released on January 29,
2025. An 11 months and 2 days wait.
The Pokemon Company made a subsidiary called Pokemon works which is located in the same building as ILCA headquarters
I would prefer gamefreak get the help they need for 3D games… they are struggling with performance issues and it got worse on the switch…. Which is surprising since in the 3ds days the only preformace issue was when you activated the 3D effects...
ILCA actually made a good One piece 3D game and from the leak concept art for BDSP, it seems that they originally did not want to do a chibi art style… so this makes me think.” gamefreak kind of Clipped ILCA’s wings and just told them to do a faitful remake… which is messed up on gamefreaks end if this is true.
ironically they're the main developer on Sand Land ( the Akira Toriyama art style sand world game coming out in a month, the feels there now)
ILCA might not be a bad company but they still get blame when they did what they were told, pokemon works sounds like it's going to be a fall guy company in otherwords if things once again goes wrong ILCA can shield their selves with this new company
they have one piece odyssey to show that they can actually develop a good turn based game.
@bern9642 Very true but they had to do what gamefreak (pokemon company) told them
My theory it that we will still NOT have any game by this year. if ILCA is still on the board, and working on another game, probably that game is still in early stages of development, and will come out on 2026. Probably is just me that i really want to believe that nothing is coming out this year, that they will finally take some time to work on a proper game.
It's not just about the Chibi graphics. It's about how uninspired and restricted their remakes were compared to the originals and to every other remade gen before.
Fire Red added everything from the original games plus a bunch of islands, and modern pokemon abilities.
Heart Gold gave us everything from Crystal Version plus the Pokeathelon, plus follower pokemon and a new female character.
ORAS gave us most of what Emrald gave us minus battle Frontier, plus a new sneaking mechanic that changed Nuzlocks, and a Delta episode and new Megas and more.
But then Ilca gives us games that don't have any of Platinums additions. It was literally just diamond and pearl with a few new wierd caves with some free roaming pokemon with a complicated statue system to unlock dex fillers like Skitty and Ladyba.
3 previous generations of remakes has given us to cause to expect these games to not only give us near everything the original third version of a game gave us, but to also give us a new experience of the game with follower pokemon, new catching mechanics, new fleshed out characters within team rocket and the Pokémon Contest, new spins using modern gimmicks like megas, new areas or towns, and more. The only thing we saw we might not get in remakes is battle towers and we hated that but oh well, one lame thing in trade for lots of good.
BDSP was none of those things we've come to expect at minimum.
Yes BDSP was a mediocre product. But the argument here was it ILCA at fault or was it gamefreak. ILCA has shown in One Piece Odyssey that they are capable of making games at a way higher level than gamefreak. Yet, when under gamefreak's supervision to make a Pokemon game, they come up short.
It wasn’t ILCAS choice to make it a direct copy of diamond or pearl, it was the higher ups in the Pokémon company.
It's because gamefreak is restricting them
What does that have to do with ILCA?
I never hated the chibis in BDSP.
I can see how they look weird but I don’t mind them. I do agree that BDSP objectively aren’t good because they’re too similar to the original and don’t even try to have many new features.
Okay but what did Gamefreak “train” ILCA for? Dudes just did what they were told, they didn’t “improve” or anything for the next game.
They probably would have done a better job if the chibi limitation wasnt a thing.
Yeah, what I think happened is that there was a black and white (bdsp type) remake coming but after seeing how bad bdsp did, it got cancelled.
ILCA originally gave the idea for the D/P remakes to be in the Legends playstyle, but they took that idea and split it to two, making the 2 gen 8 D/P games we know. They even had scetches of what the remake could've been it's kind of sad, look it up.
Always down for another TTar rant if you've got it in you
Officially my favorite ttar vid. You're real for speaking the truth.
There’s a new trademark called Pokemon Works, leaked to be a collab of sorts with directors of ILCA and TPC on board, so rather than them being out, I think they’re consolidating
This Pokemon Works might just be there to make sure Home keeps getting maintenance and support.
BDSP was all that I expected it to be and all they advertised. Did it have issues with glitches and stuff? Sure, but the art style was approved by the Pokemon Company, it's not like they went rogue. I wouldn't mind if they remade all the gameboy games that way for the switch
i would trust ILCA in remastering the gamecube games Pokemon Collosseum and Gale of Darkness or even continuing the Crypto arc story in a different region, lets enjoy time and some good coke and popcorn shall we guys?
It wasn’t just the chibi graphics. It was also all the cut Platinum content, I heard way more complaints about that before the graphics were even a point of discussion
I’m still clinging with my theory that BDSP was a sacrificial lamb that was cooked up quickly after gamefreak got cold feet around legends arceus and wanted a more traditional gen 4 experience.
I enjoy that phrase, "punching down at." I can't really contribute to this topic, as Legends Arceus was the first Pokemon game I played (besides Pokemon Go). It's really fun to see you passionate, and it's obvious that you really want Pokemon to do well!
I think ILCA is probably getting through some sort of restructurisation, they fkd up badly with the method of storing Pokemon data in the game, and it was later a problem to transfer to Home, so they had to put extra hours and crunch Home update and had to create bypass program for every single BDSP pokemon separately.
TTAR WE STAY EATINNN WHEN YOU POST BRO ONG 💯💯💯💯💯
I truly believe ILCA could come back with a Pokemon Ranger games. They certainly could revive it, considering the Ranger games just has the most barest of minimum criteria.
From what I understand they created a new subsidiary in collaboration with ILCA, maybe that new subsidiary will work on the new games instead of ILCA.
man if ilca got fired, that sucks. i actually did enjoy that game. i didn’t see any bugs and was fun to experience
BDSP was a disaster but I agree more experience would help. I wish BDSP had stuff from Platinum.
I hope Pokemon company and ILCA have a baby called POILCA
I feel like I remember seeing a post from a different leaker a long time ago saying that ILCA wouldn’t be doing anything else for pokemon co because Pokémon co didn’t like what ILCA did to the franchise aka making too faithful of a remake and angering fans. When all the fake leaks of ILCA black white came out, I didn’t believe them for a second because I remembered this.
TTar's rant implying that if anyone was to be fired, it should have been Masuda
I agree. If ILCA flopped with their supervision, clearly Gamefreak/Pokemon Comp is the problem.
EDIT: Just Realised that What Khu's Talking about was that ILCA was Dissolved and Rebranded as Pokémon Works, an Official Second-Party Development Studio...
People could Easily be taking Khu's Tweet wrong - What if ILCA's only 'Gone' because they've already been Working on a Game for a Year or Two?
Plus the Question was about Late 2024, a Game could technically still be Shadow Dropped in Mid 2024, though you'd think Nintendo would want to Advertise it...
They might be dissolved into the new studio recently acquired
I Support your argument 100%. Most people on the internet are too Confidently political about ILCA.
And the mir fact that Masuda directed BDSP how can anyone straight up blame ILCA
Pokemon games going forward just use Sun/Moon or S/S trailer models. I’d not wanna be put in baby mode forever 🙄
The fanbase is literally over 20 years old at this point, GF gotta know this by now
I doubt ILCA was fired since there was an article 3 days ago talking about Game Freak making a new subsidiary called "Pokemon Works", and ILCA joined in on it.
Expecting Pokemon to let ILCA make a dope game (with the threat of our shining the main games) is like expecting TTAR to make these thought essay longer than 30 mins....like sure it's possible but we all know that we won't get what we want 😂
Truthfully, BDSP was supposed to have graphics much better and everything was originally going to be upscaled and more in-line to something from the other remakes as in about in the style of the most recent game based on the concept art of the game. But there's a good chance that some higher up made them tone down the graphics and scale things down.
I know it wasn’t ILCA’s fault that the Gen 4 remakes ended up how they did. But if I’m completely honest, I wouldn’t want ILCA working on any more remakes because I know GAMEFREAK is going to make them do something lazy, or wait, FAITHFUL again.
I’m honestly just very upset my first set of Pokémon games ended up the way they did with their remakes. And that can’t be undone. I’m gonna have to wait another decade or two for those to ever be remade again, and that’s a depressing thought.
6:56 Good advise from Sir Ttar 😎
i think ILCA would cook with a octopath traveller 2.5d graphical styled remaster of gen 5 since their main thing before they made bdsp was just graphics and effects in games
That’s absolutely disgusting and would be worse than BdSp. You people are why BdSp exist for wanting old graphics modernized like eeew no. I prefer Unova in Breath of the wild graphics
@@a.x.x8184 maybe for a legends game but if theyre rereleasing it id rather a nice and pretty remaster rather than a remake that will be inevitably worse.
you clearly dont actually care about unova if you think the graphics are gross, that game is gorgeous
It was just confirmed not long ago that pokemon and ilca have formed a new group called “pokemon works” this mean while yes ilca is “out” they are still in with pokemon works
T tar is a legend from your takes thank u so much because I enjoy brilliant diamond. If people are upset about the chibi graphics but that is how Pokemon started 😂😂😂
Philosophical ttar
T tar, l love the video man and I agree with you on bdsp, I actully enjoyed playing through it and I think its not bad at all like yes it doesnt beat the origianl games but still offers fun gen 4 stuff and I love gen 4 so it made it way more fun to play again, knowing that legends arceus was on the way made it just that better for me.
I definitely hear you on ILCA. The studio in my opinion is not bad. The remake I don’t think was bad either. But if it were going to be to be a 1 for 1 remake you can’t justify $60 when the game launched on DS for $30. This has been my problem with pokemon since it has launched on their switch. The handheld games were cheaper but when the switch brought handheld to the dock-able console they justify every game they launch as being worth the full price of a triple A game. Aside from Scarlet and violet they really don’t deserve that price tag. To be quite honest they could probably profit even if the games were $10 a title.
Just sounds like an ILCA meatriding vid ngl
I waa under the impression ILCA was forced to make the graphics faithful, instead of going of their concept art, It would be cool to see a secondary team expernally and more teams that are give time and creative reigns to make Pokemon titles.
BDSP I actually liked the chibi take to the game. It brought me back to the memory of playing ORAS and reliving that remake.
I find it easy to consider that whatever are our opinions out here in the internet, the companies working for these Pokemon games are miles ahead of us in terms of how things are really going on over there in reality. We think ILCA is dumb, but it's not farfetched to consider that perhaps our opinions of ILCA wrong, and it's just that we lack perspectives to see the bigger picture.
they just made a new studio with ilca theyre here to stay, which makes sense
look up Sandland coming out next month. ILCA is a capable studio.
BDSP had some good changes like follow Pokémon and the underground, but took out lots of the Platinum changes. It also should’ve been sold as like a $20 eShop “remake”. The chibi graphics weren’t the main issues as with any game, it’s always the gameplay
7:24 🤣bro I feel the same way🤣
The rant about twitter and people not thinking is so real
Just remember, y’all. Even though BDSP were very underwhelming, they did a good job of turning old games into HD versions of themselves. That was what they were cornered into making.
honestly i liked Pokémon brilliant Dimond i found it fun and Pokémon Dimond way back then was first Pokémon game so just brought back a lot of nostalgia
thamil its been two months since you dropped the last ep of sword extreme randomizer, are we getting the finale anytime soon???
The difference between BDSP and USUM is USUM were actually good
i love bdsp my only complaint is that you can only evolve some pokemon by getting bp and buying the items