Don't Watch This Review of Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl
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This is the first main Pokémon game I have no intention of buying. I've had 13 years to play Platinum, it's one of my favorite games, and I've played it many times before. And like... I could spend a week of my time playing a worse version of Platinum. Or I could just... play any of the many new games that came out around the same time instead? I just don't get why this needs to exist when they're ignoring the better version they already put out over a decade ago. By their own measure, they've acknowledged the flaws with Diamond & Pearl and fixed them, just to... pretend they didn't need fixing later? If I get the urge to replay this, I'm going to choose Platinum every time cause it has more stuff and improves on many things.
Arlo's complaints about areas not being visually distinct from one another wounded me, because that is addressed in Platinum. Many areas were given new title sets and new models to make them visually distinct from one another and there's no good reason they couldn't have based this version on those tiles. I get there's logistical problems with including Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina in the same story and you wouldn't be able to have all of that going on at the same time, but everything else was left out for no good reason. I guess at least I'm not alone on thinking the battle backgrounds look amazingly tasty in this game! But that kind of further justifies the blocky style not working for me, the game only looks great when it isn't attempting the style they went for.
THE chugga in Arlo comments??? Legendary
You're nostalgia goggles for platinum are showing
@@666slateran666 I've never played a Pokemon game, but I know that when I do eventually play one it's gonna be Platinum followed by Black or White
I’ll be honest and say I did not read the whole comment. But same. This is the first mainline game I also did not purchase. Sometimes I have wanted to. But kept reminding myself why I should not and will not buy this game
Very well said Emile. I too have absolutely no intention of buying this soulless nostalgia product even though I own at least one copy of every game and remake going back to gen 3. A new low for the series, well beneath expectations. Lack of control of exp share also killed it for me...
No need to be worried Arlo, this video has ZERO dislikes! That means everyone agrees on how stagnant this franchise is!
? the dislike count isnt public anymore dude, you have no idea if anyone has disliked or not
@@montyspa6950 thats the joke
Well, at the time of this reply, it's at 326 (browser extension)
@@montyspa6950 r/wooosh
well honestly, everyone really should agree on that
Wait, I’m sorry - they don’t give Cyrus a NAME in the remakes?? He’s literally just called Boss?? Wtf
it's crazy how they made him even less of a character even when just copy-pasting the entirety of gen 4
I literally thought my game was bugged when I saw that. Cyrus being reduced to just "Boss" was just sad. BDSP are a complete joke. Legends Arceus was the far superior Sinnoh game
The $60 cost for a remake that adds nothing and sometimes even detracts from the original game is such an obvious cash grab I couldn't clutch my wallet any tighter.
"Detract" you meant "downgraded" .
Well my cousin got Brilliant Diamond for me for my Birthday so I am grateful for it. But I do agree that this does seem like a cash grab! Not a terrible game though but...I miss my old Diamond game since it was stolen and was the only Pokemon game I maxed out the hours on.
Just gonna emulate. Can’t have my money >:)
How is it a downgrade
And some people will still complain about Metroid Dread being full price while willingly supporting this game
It’s almost like hiring people who have never fully developed a game before develop a game that can not be delayed AT ALL is a bad idea
This right here is all that needed to be said about this game
This, *SO* much this. I honestly don't blame ILCA at all, I blame TPC for rushing a support studio to make this anticipated game.
And the director that developed Diamond and Pearl not Platinum
@@Cuprite1024the marketing team is the biggest to blame. They marketed it very similarly to ORAS which made us all expect more
We've gone from people complaining about Game Freak developing the games... to complaining that Game Freak didn't develop the games.
For being "faithful" remakes, they sure weren't very faithful when it came to the origianal $40 price tag. Funny that.
They arent on the ds. after all many remade games arent the same price when they came out on their original consoles
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Saying you can buy it cheaper from a 3rd party doesn't eliminate the fact that nintendo themselves are ripping people off with this mediocre cashgrab
Actually that is due mostly in part to inflation, something people never take into account when discussing prices. If you factor in inflation, BDSP are only about 5 or 6 dollars more then their originals, which is probably due to internal costs being more to develop Switch games.
@@obamaorb7426 It's hardly a rip off compared to more modern games with microtransactions galore. All game prices are subjective and you only buy from first party from a digital store (minus the Nintendo store in NYC). And until the day we are forced to buy from first party only, third party still counts. (You know, the reason why they want to get rid of physicals).
@@saturnfirefly3714 The price isn't really defensible. They've cut the design and writing process, it's all programming and art. A game with first party publishers behind it and being the 3rd set of releases from Pokemon on this console and having access to the original code means it shouldn't be hard to program. Creating the art assets can take time and a lot of work. If you aren't The Pokemon Company. The tools they have access to should have more than enough power to do the job efficiently. There's plenty of indies and other companies putting out as good of art or better while charging about half of what these cost individually. The fact they make almost double for very little extra effort also is telling. Nintendo and Pokemon are way too comfortable doing bare bones while making bank. Being compared to the worst of the worst with micro-transactions like EA and Ubisoft validates nothing about these games price. It's a ripoff.
9:47 Except that, ironically enough, the social aspect of the Underground was BETTER in the originals!
The DS games had superior base-building, since you had access to so many different decoration pieces - furniture, dolls, mats, and more. Here in the remakes, it's strictly statues; how boring.
Additionally, the DS games had Traps you could plant in the ground, and if someone walked over them (including yourself!) you'd be blown away, or have to pop bubbles, or have altered controls; you could see your own Traps, but not those planted by others. This was sadly removed in these remakes, for unknown reasons.
they didnt bring back traps? massive L
Yeah I don't get why they even did it, and just feels like they were more prioritizing catching the older Platinum only dex Mon, and Pinsir and Jynx lines for some reason, while leaving Tangla, Yanma, and few other Platinum only dex Mon out? Why?
Not to mention, I didn't had to pay a subscription for bad online service to interact with others.
@@davidalvarez5659 Absolutely true - I've never paid for NSO (complete waste of money), so I didn't even think of that!
@@PokeMaster22222 better than xbox live lol. not that expensive and its just the modern model for gaming online, Nintendo doesn't want to miss out on free money so they are adapting to the meta, can't blame them. Much cheaper online service, you get to play the older NES SNES and N64 games, and it will be important for Splatoon 3 and Pokemon Violet/Scarlett. Your missing out by just having the opinion of "COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY", like what? 20 bucks? You can't pay that? Lol
I played Shining Pearl through a copy my friend lent to me free of charge and I still felt robbed.
You were robbed of your time and of what it added to your electric bill.
LMFAOOOOOO
The sheer level of entitlement gamers have these days.
@@futuregenesis97You say this here, the ONE scenario where it's completely justified.
Typical.
@@futuregenesis97 these remakes are lazy. This isn’t entitlement whatsoever you buffoon.
I’m glad to hear the games criticized like this. So often when people try to critique Pokémon they’re just called toxic and an example of why the Pokémon community sucks, when in reality we just hate seeing the Pokémon company put such little effort into games that mean so much to us.
I can see some things being a bit picky like his stance on the music, but he does leave some interesting points and that Pokémon Company is capable of creating better and more polished products.
That's the thing. The games just feel so under done lately compared to what they used to be upon release. I know between the games Genius Sonority has made, and ORAS, pokemon can lead to some great product when done right, it just feels like Game Freak and Nintendo don't care AT ALL about the franchise right now and where they're going to take it in the future.
Here's hoping Legends Arceus is able to bring a new spark into the franchise though so they can keep making those good games that we've seen from Game Freak before though...
I really wish people would stop blaming the Pokemon Company, and/or Nintendo for the state of Pokemon games. Usually it's because Game Freak is a small studio, that works under incredibly tight deadlines. The small studio part made sense, when they were developing mostly, or entirely 2D handheld games exclusively. On the other hand, they can't just hire people easily. New hires have to be able to do the work and not drag the whole team down, while also being a good fit for the studio. This is compounded, because Game Freak is a Japanese studio. In Japan, due to the work culture, getting new hires is even more difficult than in the west. The tight deadlines are because new generations have to launch at the same time as the anime, both main mangas, and the new generation's merch. The last time there was a delay resulted in the Orange Islands filler arc. That was an expensive problem that Nintendo, The Pokemon Company, Game Freak, and Creatures Inc all agreed to never let happen again. Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl were developed by ILCA, who had a much more grand vision for the project. They were told to scale it back to what we ended up getting for two reasons: The first is because, there was no way they could have finished their vision before the 25th anniversary of Pokemon. The second is because The Pokemon Company didn't want the remakes to outshine Legends Arceus. A game which inherited many, if not all of the extra features and gameplay intended for the remakes. You can't fault Nintendo and The Pokemon Company for making these choices either. Since it was the most sensible business choice and the most practical use of resources for the production of the remakes and Legends Arceus. Most people who complain, forget that making games isn't easy and that it's a business, not a fun hobby. Especially with games as stylised as Pokemon games. Where the tiniest assets in the game world have to be hand made, from scratch. Unlike with more realistic games, where world assets are bought from massive repositories of realistic looking assets.
@@natsume-hime2473 "in Japan, due to the work culture, getting new hires is even more difficult than in the west"
Not really true, just looks at Monolith Soft (Xenoblade, Breath of the wild, etc). Each year they do a a big hiring season for graduate students. In 2017 (the release of Xenoblade 2) Monolith Soft had 150 employees. There is only 40 employees who have worked on the big Xenoblade 2 and it already looks 1000 times better than this souless remake. However, yes the resolution and framerate of X2 are not always the best, but at least it looks lively/original and it was their first game on the Switch. In 2021, Monolith Soft have 272 employees. The problem of GameFreak it's their ego. They don't like when people from other company help them or give them some feedback. They are stuck in their own echo chamber.
People think (valid) criticism is equivalent to hate. They don’t understand that you SHOULD expect more from a AAA game than this.
How convenient that such a faithful remake doesn't carry a faithful pricetag.
The original DS versions are just as expensive actually.
@@clownfish92 they weren’t the price went up since release
@@robomushroom the value of the dollar has gone down since it's release. It's still comparatively more expensive than the original, but not nearly a bad as it's made out to be without considering inflation.
I love how this upgrade kill the orginal. In most cases you loase abillity to buy orginal. This "definitve" versions most time bring new bugs to the table. Most important thing for me is when prize rise but other than visiuals upgrade there is no new or better content. I can mod most games for free...
In a age of Wonder Trade and GTS trading, I'm with you 💯.
Pulsating Platinum with all it's newly added content from the original should've been a thing, bit consumers do what they do best.... Consume.
So not only did they take Cyrus's nose, his name is also gone
Lmao
I will say right now that when people talk about the greatness of gen 4, they are usually referrng to platinum, whihc was more fleshed out and more balanced than diamond and pearl. That is the main reason why so many people were disapponted with these games being essentially graphically better games with some new moves and new types. I also think that part of what made gen 4 so coveted is that it was more difficult than many of the other games, which is why a lot of the newer additions like locked exp share hinder the game
I think gen 5 had higher difficulty than 4 tho
@@cirkleobserver3217 Some say Gen 5 is easier with some having less Pokemon in the party and also having the Lucky Egg easily available.
honestly with how harsh he was towards the region i feel like not even Platinum would save his opinion of gen 4
@@cirkleobserver3217 its crazy that they included countless issues with Diamond and Pearl as opposed to including the improvements from Platinum. Its actually mind boggling.
The thing is, if you do a rating of the first 5 gen Pokémon games, D&P would come in last.
It definitely was my least played and least favourite Pokémon game.
I stuck up for the art style at first, but it almost immediately became apparent they did not utilize it well. When Barry runs out his door and bumps into the player at the start of the game, he does exactly what his 2D sprite did: He exits the buildings, abruptly is stopped by the player's sprite, and a little digital noise accompanies the text "*THUMP*". Would have been really nice if they animated him running, stumbling, waving his little arms around, and putting on a shocked expression, don't you think? You can get away with "*THUMP*" in a 2D, standard-def, sprite-based game because that's all you can really do with the limits set on you. Here, the higher detail in the fully rendered, 3D models only highlights the complete lack of liveliness and expression in every character action.
Completly agree. And the big reason why that is, is because on pixel art style like in d/p the game is more abstract and leaves a lot of room for imagination, which makes it nicer than the real world. However with such high resolutions and an art style like this with the option to actually make a beautiful world this feels really empty, soulless and disappointing in the remakes and all new pokemon games
My dumbass should’ve listened to my friends💀
Exactly. Look at Flannery in the last remake.
She’s basically trying to act hammy which you couldn’t see in the original.
😂 damn did u guys catch when the game first droped their was a bug where barry would slide instead of walk across the tiles of the "ground"
I do think that the lighting is actually very good at specific points, but the city/level/character design are all really bad for a 2021 Pokemon title.
"But a remake should enhance and modernize a game so if feels like the original of the original were made today!"
*THANK YOU!*
I agree it's not much of a remake when I can say the original is not just arguably but pretty obviously better and platinum as objectively better.
To make a good remake you need it to be objectively better any argument about it shouldn't exist. Links awakening and ORAS even fails at this as somethings are arguably better in the originals. However Link between worlds and heartgold and soulsilver are great remakes as they are objectively better.
Honestly, I didn't care about this part of the review because Arlo does not bring up examples of good remakes to prove why Pokemon BDSP is a bad remake. By this logic, Bomberman: Act Zero should be considered a good game.
@@b10productions24 Yakuza Kiwami, Kiwami 2, Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Resident Evil2, 3, Halo CE Anniversary, Halo 2 Anniversary, Mafia Definitive Edition, Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition, Black Mesa, Shadow of the Colossus etc.
I could literally go on for hours.
Arlo haven't said any examples because literally every other existing remake out there is a better example how to make good remakes than BDSP.
@@honorous4840 I forgot about the RE remakes. I only complained because the opposite extreme came first in my mind.
Maybe I should have said something like "if Fate/Extra: Record not only plays nothing like the original Fate/Extra, but was also photo-realistic."
@@honorous4840 FF7 Remake isn't a remake, it's a parallel universe sequel or whatever crack was being smoked during its development. It's deceptively titled 'Remake' both to make people thing it's a remake and buy it but also because the cast is rewriting their fate.
This game was a faithful remake, except where it counts. Even so, Pokémon’s remakes were known for being 1) developed by Game Freak itself, and 2) integration of the current generation’s mechanics. BDSP was outsourced and lack any real innovation.
And adding stuff from the enhanced edition
yea but Gamefreak didn’t wanna make these remakes nor did PCI really want them handling it. Gamefreak has been trying to do something different and get out from under the thumb of pokemon for forever. It’s why there was no sequel or continuation to Kalos, as they were busy developing other games at the time and it’s why they were working on LoA instead of these games. After the mess of controversies that was SWSH many many mfs were saying they wanted a “faithful remake”, discourse that is often forgotten and overlooked now.
Lets not forget about adding more Pokemon that wherent in Gen 4 especially regional forms AND their evolutions.
I just wanted the catharsis of Arlo's frustration even if I'm not the pokemon target audience 😆 because I was very frustrated by the game too. It continues to puzzle me how 2021 first party nintendo games that make so much money can look this terrible 🤔 or never ever change the same battle music for 40 hours of play. Though as Arlo said, we all know what we're in for with Pokemon. Still, cathartic review 😄
why spend any money on it when it will still make tons of money if you do zero work or/and spend any money?
@@jacquesmassard9226 sadly so 😔 I'd love to see a company like ubisoft in charge of a pokemon game as I'm sure they'd put a massive team behind a game this profitable
@@phantomstrider ubisoft would do the same thing. Pokemon is a cash cow that can be milked to death reguardlesa of quality
Huh, didn’t think I would see you here…
I fell out of love with Pokemon because of their shift from quality to crap. Now I'm almost glad I did because of games like BDSP.
can you imagine if pokemon consistently improved every game? like we had soaring, megas, pokemon following you etc in all the games? if gamefreak would just do this pokemon would be a god tier series
Megas are actually shitty, instead I think regional is better.
I want the Pokémon version of Smash Ultimate. Bring back EVERY Pokémon, bring back EVERY fan-favorite feature, bring back EVERY reigon, spice em all up with collectables, a fun way to connect it to online play without it being needed, and a GOOD story.
It sounds like a lot to ask, but good lord, the franchise is literally worth billions, it's worth more than a lot of tech companies.
@@ryancarrell3186 Are you wanting a fighting game featuring all the Pokemon? Or just a Pokemon game with all the Pokemon?
Uhhhh what about Legends Arcues
@@lysanderxx1664
Could you imagine balancing and making a moveset for that many fighters? That's sounds like a nightmare.
The reason this was doomed from the start is because they wanted to make a “Faithful” remake when they have never once done that. The reason remakes were so successful in the past and why people scream for remakes all the time is because remakes have always been about taking an older game, bringing it up to modern game standards both graphically and mechanically, and adding additional content. Heck, the game with the most content in the entire series is HGSS, a remake, and a ton of that extra content is completely new or revised features that were not in the originals. What we should have seen was Sinnoh with Sword and Shield graphics, or at the very least Sinnoh with a Let’s Go overworld and the regular battle system. That’s not what why chose to make.
The worst part about the faithful thing is that it can easily be used as a crutch. So many people argue “Oh they said it’s gonna be faithful, Pokémon fans are so entitled for wanting more.” Faithful is just an excuse to not add content and cut corners. Pokémon fans want and expect more because remakes have set the precedent of adding and giving more almost 18 years ago with the release of Fire Red and Leaf Green and have held that precedent diligently until now.
to be honest, this remake were doomed from the start, because "current standards" set by SwSh were also pretty low.
BDSP is for the people that don’t want a drastic reimagining. Legends Arceus is for those who do. They made it so that we could have our cake and eat it too, yet we complain.
I absolutely hate to burst your bubble, but this is the fastest selling Pokemon remake to date. So it is MORE successful than the previous remakes, not less. Maybe you are confusing your own enjoyment with success.
@@LocrianDorian source? Because I've looked at famitsu weekly sales for the entire month and outside crazy week1 sales, BDSP is doing on par with LGPE (which were pretty average for the remakes).
Also, games in general are selling way better than they did 15 years ago, so it's really hard to compare any historical data (for example even crazy popular titles like Battlefield and FIFA have jumped form ~10M sales to ~20M in 2020).
I am... fairly certain that BDSP is a Covid Baby. My theory is that Legends Arceus was intended to be the 2021 release title, but for one reason or another - most likely Covid, development on it was stalled for just long enough to prevent it from being ready by November 2021. What this means is that every other aspect of Pokemon, from the anime, the TCG, and the merchandise, was already set in motion for a Sinnoh theme, with no Sinnoh game to fill that slot in time.
In response, DeNA was brought on board to through together a rehash of the original Diamond and Pearl as a bandaid to fill the void, and to allow for some stall time for Legends. The issue is, they likely already have things planned for the 2022 holiday, so they couldn't just push Legends back a year, because it would throw the entire machine out alignment - at the same time, they couldn't just drop PLA, because it's too important for them, going forward. From what we've seen already, it has *a lot* of technical advances - some of which were already seeded via Urshifu - and with their development style, it's important for them to get those advances out there to see how well they work, what needs to be changed or fixed, and what can just be dropped going forward.
I'm expecting PLA to have some resulting development issues as a result, and there might be some signs of rushing, but I just don't think that BDSP was originally in their roadmap, when they planned out to 2021 and 2022.
Most people with shining memories of diamond & pearl are actually remembering platinum instead. Still kind of a generic pokemon adventure, but a significant step up from the original g4 games.
Larger regional dex so not as many repeat encounters, more interaction with the enemy team leader to make him more of a character, revised progression route through the map to reduce backtracking, bug fixes to speed up gameplay (the only bit to make it to the remakes), several revised interior locations including some improved gyms and a better villain hideout, the entire distortion world sequence, battle frontier...
It loses something with the multiplayer elements largely gone, but if you ever get the chance to go back and try platinum, it's worth the look. Certainly better than these remakes.
Such a shame.
tbf Cyrus was still somewhat fleshed out in the original D&P games, the remakes were an actual regression. Obviously he wasn’t as fleshed out as he was in Platinum, but they straight up remove his name in parts of BD&SP
Idk, outside of the battle frontier and a few new Pokémon returning, I still personally see BDSP as definitive in terms of gameplay over platinum just because of the grand underground and the few extra features they added in BDSP. The other area and story changes feel almost insignificant to me considering how much of a “one and done” they are.
No, I never played platinum and everything I remember about gen 4 is pokemon diamond and pearl, the shows and the games. Diamond and pearl are iconic. Platinum might be cool but DP is where it's at
@@Purple_Sloth Grand underground is very insignificant compared to the battle frontier though lol
@@IceBlueLugia yeah who could forget
Battle a Pokémon
Battle a Pokémon but longer
Battle with Pokémon that aren’t yours
Battle with one type
And battle with effects like “hold a berry instead.”
I think people just hype of the battle frontier like it’s this amazing genius use of game design when really it’s just “Fight a pokemon.” with a random attachment to it. That compared to basically having a much more larger access to pokemon that you can’t get normally in a play through gives much needed team variety in the Sinnoh games that isn’t just “Bibarrel, Staraptor, Starter, Luxio, Lucario, Garchomp”
It is super sad they didn't get the OR/AS treatment. Gen 4 while objectively not the best is one of my favorites because it was the first gen to draw me in with the interesting Pokémon, bits of lore and other things spread out in the world (even if the main story was just bad guys bad go stop them). Then to have that expanded on even more with Platinum was even better, especially considering (like pointed out by a few comments) a lot of Diamond and Pearls issues were fixed in Platinum, not all of them but a good amount. This being based on the original Diamond and Pearl is even more frustrating for that very reason. When OR/AS came out I was super eager to see not only my favorite Pokémon game but one of my favorite games ever, get a remake and breathe new life into it, really make it look like how we all imagined Sinnoh to look like. Then we got this, a remake that claims to be "faithful" as an excuse to cut corners. It is a super big letdown for sure and unless this game is on a huge discount (which it being Pokémon it probably won't at least for a while) I will not give money to this laziness.
Definitely agreed. This makes me worry about the Gen. 5 remake more because if they do exactly like BDSP does, than I'm done with Pokemon.
This SHOULD be seen as unacceptable, but for some reason it isn’t. Why should it be seen as wrong to have minimum expectations for a fully priced game? Compare this to nearly any triple A 60 dollar game and its incomparable. Even older Wii games look better! Battle Revolution IMO is STILL the best looking pokemon has ever been, and that’s just depressing. It’s over 10 years old at this point.
Have you played New Pokemon Snap or the Pokepark games? I think they look pretty good.
I think the reason is because Pokemon has no real competition. Many other franchises have tried to outdo Pokemon, and they all have failed. Want a good monster catching game? Pokemon is your option. Nothing else.
@@Nintendotron64 there are many many reasons why Pokemon games but there being no competition definitely isn't
@@Nintendotron64 nothing quite to its level for sure, but hopefully with the advent of TemTem and Nexomon they’ll push Pokémon Company to do more. Legends Arceus is switching up the formula a bit to where some people are uncomfortable but that means they’re at least experimenting and changing.
And if you tried to criticize the pokemon company for the blatant half-assed work they put out, what do the fanboys say?
"If you don't like it, don't buy it".
This is why pokemon is going to continue to become shittier and shittier.
I'm someone who actually has some nostalgia for gen 4 but I totally agree these games are a gigantic disappointment. Much of DP's problems are a result of the game being rushed and the devs not having the time to do everything they wanted, so to remake the games so religiously faithful to the original seems positively absurd. Platinum was an actual attempt to fix and expand upon the originals. Losing content in remakes is not a new thing for pokemon, but I don't think we've ever had a remake that leaves out so much and contributes so little.
The issue is that Platinum was the third version that improved the game the most, Yellow barely improved anything, Crystal's new stuff was not super note worthy, Emerald was great but still it wasn't like a must buy if you had the original and didn't care about the Battle Frontier, but Platinum just fixed a lot of isses with the games and added a lot of content making them obsolete and was worth buying even if you already had DP.
I'll die by the idea that HeartGold/SoulSilver was the best Pokemon game. That was when Gen 4 was at it's peak. I'm STILL playing it today. The amount of features it has are absurd, I just wish it had some sort of battle frontier. And I'm a sucker for the pixel graphics (I think Black/White2 looked the best of all the DS games, love those moving pixel sprites).
It just feels like every since HG/SS, Pokemon has just been _cutting_ cool features from the game. The occasionally add something back in to make up for it, but it's never enough. I need a Pokemon game with: A battle frontier, re-battle-able trainers and gym leaders, ball capsules, a fashion contest, good post-story content, a safari zone, a bug-catching contest, events that change with every day of the week, daily challenges, camping and cooking, an undergound, secret bases, alternate regions to explore, AND multiple side-stories.
That _sounds_ like a lot, but we've had ALL of that across the various generations in some form or another. Is it seriously impossible for them to make a Pokemon game with EVERY good feature, or is every new Pokemon game always doomed to lack many of these features? Hell, just having 5 or 6 of them would be nice, but we don't even get THAT much anymore.
Agreed
You still would have been upset if they added all the stuff from platinum to. Truth is they could have remade the game from the ground up and people still wouldnt have been happy. Not defending pokemon or game freak just been around this rodeo many times
@@spectrumblastgaming Every game in the world will let at least some people unfatisfied no matter what, but probably if they added the Platinum content less people would be unsatisfied, and maybe if the remake was a bit more ambitious, at least at the level of Let's Go with a bigger Pokédex and regular mechanics, even less people would be unsatisfied.
While late to the party, one thing I think MUST be pointed out because of how utterly tragic it is:
The dev (ILCA) obviously had passion for this game. More-so than Game Freak does, for absolute sure. You can see the little peaks of creative freedom they were granted through how they handled the Grand Underground and the post-game rematches. The underground straight up feels like a different game with the amount of care, love, and detail that was put into its design and mechanics. As for the post-game rematches, the gym leaders and E4 (and rivals) all become sweaty metalords who have some of the most hilarious teams I've ever seen. Cynthia's paraflinch Togekiss. Volkner's Raindance team. Candice's hailvasion team. THIS is the kind of end-game content players have clamored for. Truly meaty, challenging battles that utilize the true potential of pokemon's battle mechanics.
And it's a shame that, while many people recognize the shortfallings of the game are TPC's fault for being greedy and controlling, many more will blame ILCA for what a disappointing game this turned out to be.
Which is unfair.
And TPC's stubbornness to *not* let them expand the story and Pokédex like they did with ORAS really hurts the remake, too. They could've expanded the story to include oh I dunno... *ACTUAL LORE,* and not just Cynthia stans arguing that there *is* story.
Because there is no story.
One of my friends called DP a "demo for Platinum", and that Platinum was a "demo for HGSS",
And sadly, I agree with her.
@@bluebaron6811 At first when BDSP initially released I was in denial and pretended to like it. In retrospect looking at it now, gen 4 stans like me were done dirty, I was always wishing for an oras style remake for gen 4. But at least we got PLA, even if it was something completely different from expectations. But now we sadly will not be able to see the potential of what gen 4’s original games could have become
huge disagree. underground was better in the original. it's a glorified mobile "port" of DP.
If i compare BDSP to PLA I am very certain that GF shows more passion than ILCA. At the very least ILCA severely lacks skills in Game Development apart from Design.
as of now, I will only refer to BDSP as "Barely Diamond and Sorta Pearl".
The thing Arlo didn't mention about this game that has really been bothering me is the lack of multiplayer modes. The original Diamond and Pearl really went all-out with multiplayer with the GTS, Union room, underground, poffins, and more. In this "faithful" remake, they've removed all functionality from the Union room except battling, trading, and mixing records. No drawing, no chat, no spin trades. And it's limited to 2 people now, a limitation that not even the GBA games had. Underground multiplayer might as well be singleplayer because they've removed almost all of the interactions that you can have with other players. Wi-Fi Plaza minigames are also totally gone. If this is supposed to be a "faithful" remake, they could at least do the bare minimum of including everything that was there in the original. They've said the GTS is coming down the line, but at this point the game's multiplayer is already starting to die off. Even if they fix the multiplayer, it won't be enough to get people playing the game again.
Nintendo is allergic to multiplayer for some reason. Just look at how you need a smartphone app for basic chat in some games. While other consoles since the Xbox and PS2 have had far better experiences.
You're right I knew these games wouldn't be holding VGC tournaments and stuff, but I was hoping they would have their own in game ranked leader board and the options to customise the rules.
Instead from what I've seen in videos it's stuck to 6v6 singles and doubles with the 20min timer.
Also they left out the CTF mode in the underground. The online multiplayer in the grand underground feels really lackluster. I miss being able to talk to other trainers to view their trainer card or ask them to battle/trade.
The games actually still have all of that but its locked away at the moment. Not overly sure why. 😕
No there is poffins, don't get me wrong though ur right about everything else. It's really sad to see how far Pokemon has fallen and how people can still defend this bs
Yeah… They removed multi-battles from battle tower so I couldn’t play together with my brother like we do every Christmas.
I genuinely didn't know they called Cyrus boss in the games. I'm dumbfounded as he was such a big part in platinum. You get more fights and more dialogue with him in platinum so going back to dp just feels like a conscious giant leap backwards. What's the point of removing features from a game of it was already close to perfect!
I thought even in dp he was called cyrus. I dont know what these remakes are doing. The exp share and love in battle is not faithful and make a challenging game extremely easy yet they do really weird stuff like "boss".
@@AndroidHarris the og diamond and pearl are easy until the elite four but that’s just because of the 20lv jump or something crazy like that, it’s almost like people forgot tamishia existed
@@jettlucashayes8508 nah dude the gym leaders are tough in the originals. Candice abomasmow was like 5-10 levels above me. Not sure why your spending hours grinding on 5% chanseys in routes 209 and 210 or how many vs seeker battles you do but my team was never overleved and this remake was made like 10x more easy. The originals weren't ever like super hard but they were challenging like playing a zelda game or something. E4 is tough first go especially since Aaron as a bug user has a drapion which isnt a bug lol.
@@AlphaXXI oh ok yeah I knew the originals called him cyrus. Such an odd choice for remakes to do. It's like if you remade castlevania 2 Simon's quest but kept all the terrible translations and grammatical errors. I sure do love to *prossess* draculas heart. It's a weird but a very gamer reference.
This is similar to Person 2 where a certain WW2 leader was revived... but in the remake they gave him sunglasses and refused to call him buy name using the equivalent of "Boss"
(I have to refer to it like this because TH-cam doesn't like calling these things by name.)
My favorite feature of these games is definitely the bugs that were fixed in Platinum, but are somehow still present here. I don't even understand how that can happen unless the code is literally copy-pasted from the DS games.
Funnily enough, they literally did copy and paste the code from the originals. To the point of being able to replicate the void/tweaking glitch.
Oh... it just struck me why they made the absurdly dumb decision not to remake the far superior Platinum- I think it's literally only because Platinum is one game instead of two... selling more games = more money. Yet another greedy, anti-consumer decision. I genuinely can't think of another good enough business reason why they'd choose this path. Yikes.
At least there's a fan mod that tries to make the base games of BD and SP (which apparently share the same ROM anyways) more like Platinum. They got to the point of changing the textures and colors of UI panels, character skins, and the intro menu screen, last time I checked.
@@StarMiners0416 too bad you need a modded switch to play that
Yeah but ORAS were meshed versions with elements from Emerald. No excuse. They are just lazy.
HeartGold and Soulsilver on the DS had all the elements of Crystal each AND the battle frontier from gen 4 in each...
They could've done it, told the dev team to do that, whatever, they just...Didn't. Maddening
@@j.echevarria8630 Certainly not an excuse, but stathio definitely has a point. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this was the reason platinum got completely shafted like it did, especially with the current state of modern Pokémon games.
The problem with the forced EXP share is that it is forced. There is no reason for there to remove the option to turn it on and off.
That's what makes it even worse for me : THERE USED TO BE AN OPTION THERE. It's not like it'd need extra development time, it was already there !
Yeah. In the other games, they at least had Pokemon's levels accommodate for the exp share some, but it's worse in BDSP because they are the exact levels as in the originals, and not changed to accommodate the exp share. Forced affection bonuses also didn't go either.
I wouldn't even say _that's_ the problem. Plenty of turn-based RPGs distribute EXP to all party members without breaking the game. And honestly, I'm thankful for that. Does grinding _really_ test your skills? Or does it test your ability to wait for a ride at Disneyland? I suspect the latter.
No, the real problem is the way that Game Freak overhauled the EXP system _without_ rebalancing the fights in any way. The EXP Share certainly makes the game easier, but there's no reason the battles can't be adjusted accordingly. Then we would get the best of both worlds: less grind, but still a reasonable challenge. Unfortunately though, Game Freak appears interested in only one half of that equation, upsetting the whole delicate balance.
'Tis a shame.
Yeah, removing options from a player is ALWAYS a downgrade. I have a party of about 12 and im still laughably overlevelled right now. It really freaking sucks.
I was worried this would happen in S/M, but they actually balanced the encounters in that game with relative success. Here, though, I’m their obsession to provide “faithful” remakes, they’ve missed the entire point of what being faithful means; not exactly the same, but in the same spirit.
@@Commander6444 I disagree grinding can be fun to build a team that your proud of. I dont think excessive grinding is good at all but an hour grind every so often in a big rpg is more fun to overcome a hard boss than just winning all the time. It makes your team more personal to you as well and sometimes going out of your way for a tm or item to supercharge your pokemon can be really fun.
Storytime and example: I love in bw when I used a drapion with sniper, gave him scope lens, and use night slash, cross poison, ect to maximize critical rates and do more crit damage as well to obliterate certain pokemon. It's fun creating a build your proud of even if some of them arent as good as you expect them to be lol. The first 5 gens are great for this while new ones are just too easy I cant really have any fun or connect to my pokemon. SM is the only exception as some things were tough and I turned exp share off. I had a cool build on incinreoar and my minior. Still was missing something the old ones had though.
I love how Arlo was able to save people time and be completely honest with the thumbnail alone.
Arlo, I clicked because I simply enjoy hearing you and your thoughts, even if we both know what's going to be said.
Arlo is the people's champ
Nothing positive because he thrives on negativity and negative content
@@666slateran666 ....You must be new here
@@Smokey1419 Not really, I've been following him for about two years now. His whole happy kid friendly Muppet angle is contrasted hard by how jaded he is. It's a outlet for a man child to whine, I just liked his news updates which he isn't even doing anymore.
@UC3hbT4og8WsAS-qhnzbMj2Q Metroid dread is a outlier and the other two aren't Nintendo games. By and large he is negative about most nintendo games, I've watched all his videos man. I've even watched all his arlo casts, I liked his gimmick but now I'm even tired of his self proclaimed cynical attitude. *cough* Paper Mario *cough*
Quite sad, I thought, after playing gens 6-8 I felt that I was getting too old for Pokémon. Then I found some fan games, and found myself feeling the same amazement as I did when I was 6 when I got Pearl for the first time.
I find it absolutely insane that fan mades, with teams of 10 or so people can create games with great mechanics, polish, difficulty, story, etc, meanwhile a company as large as Pokémon and all its subsidiaries can’t create something that is unique, challenging, or interesting.
Bdsp really was, just bland, it was disappointing. They could have made this the best remake like hgss did. But no, they had to just do the “can I see your homework” meme but on Pokémon games.
I really hope legends arceus listens to the fans… and personally I hope to the Pokémon overlords they do not remove abilities, abilities is such a core aspect to each unique Pokémon.
That's because fan game developers don't have profits on the mind like game companies
YES! I have had more fun playing rom-hacks in recent yearts that offer new stories, environments and pokemon than I have since Gen 5. It makes me genuinely sad that pokemon is in the state it is in.
@@ryanignites5923 have you played the reborn and rejuvenation series? They are god tier games honestly, and they still developing it, the devs are also humble about their amazing creation I love it
@@professordreadwin7959 People often say “but companies need to make money!!”, yes but they don’t need every penny in the world, and they still need to put in some artistic integrity. Are those soulless pigs we call shareholders and corporate big wigs gonna die if they don’t get their three bucks and a subway coupon? Are they gonna die if they don’t get their inflated paychecks and bonuses at their highest possible gain?
I know you didn’t justify it mind you, I’m just saying
Honestly how could it be good ? They again rush the release and already annonce it even tho it should be the new era of pokemon games no more lazyness and the true experience like we dreamed as kid with great charcters and world interaction and freddom still now like SS it look really blend and ugly and rushed. I don't belive in the :
"but they will change it before realese" im sick of this industry and wasted universe.
Thing about the popups is, they existed in gen 7, however you actually had to enter the side mode where you could pet your Pokémon in order to get its affection stat high enough. Now it's tied to the friendship stat. Which raises every time you walk with that Pokémon in your party.
So not only was the mechanic/extended text completely optional, but was designed as a reward for going out of your way to treat your party members as actual living animals instead of pawns with stats on them. So disappointed they butchered that system
My god, are you serious? I appreciated that system before because it felt like you earned something for spending your time with your pokemon, and was a completely optional part of the game that slightly enriched the experience. Now it’s just a glorified easy mode that you CANT TURN OFF. Just like the shared exp. why cant pokemon just.. give players a choice to make their games less easy???
@@pokaay3163 hey I recently heard that they (GameFreak) saw Nuzlockes on the same level as ROM Hacks.
@@aperson6512 That's because they thought all nuzlockes were randomized, so modifying the game, which game freak doesn't like
The worst part is like... Remember when you were a kid, and you thought "I can't imagine what pokemon will be in 10 years! 20 years!"
And here we are. And it's the same. The potential is so great and the product is so mediocre and lame and just bad. It bears repeating that Pokemon is THE HIGHEST SELLING MEDIA FRANCHISE OF ALL TIME. But here's some old games that look marginally better lol.
It's just sad.
I think it's a combination of having immovable deadlines and the desire to spend as little money and energy as possible. Why spend all this time innovating (and using money for that) when you can crank out another safe game that will make millions. I think this game made 6 million dollars in the first week if I'm not mistaken. I'm not looking forward to Legends Arceus for the same reason, I'm sure it will be a rushed game.
Freaking Mood. There are Tons of amazing ideas people have and bring to the table in comments and their own fanwork. If you think of things and ways to improve you're bound to find a good few things you'd enjoy seeing implemented
But we're just... not getting that. Sure there have been a few really cool things (regional variants, the ability to take care of your pokemon (that I wish there was more on), limitless TMs (oh boy...I wish) etc.) - but there's also not so good things. No-one asked for Dynamaxing, or hallway simulators, or 'new gimmick every game, throw out the old one'
It really is sad
It’s not the same, it’s worse!
It's not the same though, it's WORSE than it was 10 years ago.
They make billions of dollars every year but they're so cheap that they cant put any effort besides the bare minimum for each new game
‘It’s hard to take anyone serious when they look like a funko pop knockoff’ THAT IS SO UNBELIEVABLY TRUE
It looks like someone crossbred animal crossing and pokemon
@@velvety2006 Gone terribly wrong
I dunno why but it annoys me that FunkoPops, are all people compare these too, when really they look closer to Nendoroids, which are just generally better than FunkoPops, but I never understood the funkopop craze, anyway, cause FunkoPops just look soulless and ugly
@@creditguys1358 frankly, funko pops and nendoroids are two sides to a coin, i wouldnt knock one over the other.
and funkos are more popular in the west so of course thats their point of reference.
I love how brutally honest Arlo can be in his reviews
29:06
This quote from Arlo really stood out to me. It perfectly encapsulates how I feel about the modern Pokemon games, and how the problems of the games are easily overlooked by the fans because "the battle system is still fun".
I love how characters in cutscenes forget they can walk diagonally.
You actually can't move diagonally on the grid.
Honestly the No. 1 thing that Pokémon needs to include moving forward is OPTIONS. How difficult would it have been for them to include an option to turn the exp share off? How difficult would it have been for them to include an option that removes friendship benefits from battle? How difficult would it have been for them to remove the cutscene of Dawn/Lucas catching a Pokémon for the very first time? As disappointing and frustrating as these games are, I know the public outrage would not be as bad with any of these games moving forward if you just give us some options on how we want to play the game.
Reminder that some of these things and more have been done by fans in fangames and romhacks now as well.
If a bunch of kids still going through highschool/university can implement things like difficulty options, exp share switch and even what type of dialogue you get in a game, why the heck can't Pokémon do better?
I'm not even asking all these improvements NOW, but sheesh...they've had plenty of time to introduce these features little by little.
@@AlphaXXI true. fine-tuning it and giving gradually less exp for having more pokemon in your team would be the best middleman.
Finished the game and went blind into it I can’t believe this game is literally diamond/ Pearl in 3D nothing more I still think that the originals hold it better than the remakes I am planning to sell this mess of a game I am slowly starting to lose interest in the Pokémon franchise I still love to go back to gen 1-2-3-4-5 hell I played gen 3 so many times and never getting bored
- battle frontier challenge
- complete Hoenn + gen 1-2 Dex
- connecting with colosseum / XD
We are truly living in a greedy era
The line at the end where "Within Video Games, sometimes the line between art and product can be blurred, but in BDSP's case it is clearly just a Product" couldn't have been put more perfectly. I love pokemon games, and I never got the chance to play sinnoh, in fact I WAITED for remakes to be made considering this, However I think I'll just pick up a copy of platinum instead.
“Boss” is actually Cyrus, not exactly sure why the Team Galactic names weren’t mentioned in the remake
Also, will add that I think Diamond and Pearl are good games made great with Platinum, and they were a huge part of my childhood. I love classic Pokémon. These remakes were so, so disappointing because I was really hoping for a new twist on my childhood Pokémon game, like HGSS and ORAS did to their respective generations. Especially because DPP could’ve used some big improvements to story and world design, all entirely possible and done in past remakes. Such a missed opportunity.
Yeah, what the heck? That threw me off
That was super weird to me too
Are you serious?
Did they not? I thought I saw the names Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and Cyrus
@@TheRubyGamesOG might be the updated thing
0:34 Nope, not annoyed. Games like these NEED to be criticized. NOTHING is above criticism. I come to this channel to hear you voice your opinion. It's pleasant music for my ears while at work.
When it comes to the art style, I think it’s a good idea as long as it’s executed well. I think the Links Awakening remake is looks really good because the chibi characters were given a lot of personality, here, they look like dolls.
"Most of the time it doesn't look broken or anything. You're not seeing stock unity assets, things aren't glitching all over the place."
Well I guess pokemon's hit a *new* new low
In regards to the design/art style of the games, I was disappointed that it didn’t take the approach of the other remakes, like Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire, in which they used the designs from the current gen games of that time, in this example X & Y, to make the remakes feel like they belong in the current gen. While I’m not particularly thrilled with how Sword & Shield look, I would’ve appreciated these remakes taking the approach to match that style more than this chibi/cartoon look it has.
That’s what I was expecting since that’s what they’ve done for literally every remake up to this point, but then it wouldn’t be “faithful” or some bs
There was too much backlash against sw&sh's style... but it was never about the style, it was the implementation that was bad. A world with no spirit.
I think you're right, D&P in sw&sh's style would have worked.
Oh well, at least there's "legends".
@@nathangamble125 true
its cause they fricken outsourced this
Of all the games to redesign the characters, never moreso was I excited than for gen 4. Half of the characters are dressed in very iconic Japanese fashions at the peak of their popularity (gyuar, lolita, etc.) and it would of been so exciting to see how they modernized that or maybe even how they could've worked in Hokaido patterns. I knew for years this was the last game of the remakes or maybe even the entire series that I was going to be exited for and the first trailer ruined whatever last experience I might of had with Pokemon.
the majority of people who wanted sinnoh remakes probably wanted platinum remakes. Sure Nintendo wants the money but I can't imagine it being that hard to incorporate an early soothe bell and move tutors. the move tutors alone would make this game have lots of replayability for nuzlocks or challenge runs.
they did want platinum remakes, it's just cheaper and faster to crank out Diamond and Pearl remakes than try to Heartgold and Soulsilver gen 4.
Even if it was a Platinum remake, it's still gonna be a game that cuts corners like how BDSP currently is. Like a faithful remake of Platinum with absolutely no creativity. People will still be disappointed.
I wanted a diamond remake, never played platinum. Different strokes I guess
@@666slateran666 If you had played Platinum, you would have probably wanted a Platinum remake as well tbh.
@@LinkNinjaMaster All I know is I dumped hundreds of hours into diamond and it was the last one I was really into before growing out of them. I wouldn't have wanted anything but a faithful remaster, same with Diablo 2 or shadow of the colossus. These games are classics for a reason, don't need them tainted with mega evolutions or whatever else is in newer entries.
Man, Arlo woke up that day and chose violence. Even Chugga decided to beat this game up.
Pokémon Platinum was my first Pokémon game. I had to fight with my brother to get my save game going, because we were playing on one of those hacked ROM carts that had all three Pokémon games on it and both of us refused to play diamond and pearl. Even having Pokémon Diamon and Pearl on the same cart, I refused to play them because they felt like worse games compared to platinum after the first few gyms. I was a kid then, but the off the walls plot about Gargintina appearing out of no where in the story was amazing. It spoilt me for Pokémon stories in later games because nothing came close to team galactic and how serious they were on controlling the world with literal gods. Galactic actually felt like evil guys, rather than goofy weird teams stanning their favorite legendary. Music was alright but not all that good. Arcues just hanging around up there on top of Mt Coranet with a secret item to get to him was such an unintentional but great touch to the vibe of the game.
Anyways, this remake killed me. I had been waiting for a proper remake for a while. I wanted more lore expansion. I wanted to finally have a proper event for Arceus. I wanted more hidden secrets in the game because platinum had such a mysterious vibe around it. Like there was even more in it we didn't know about. But we got.. this. Man this game could have been so much more, especially with Legends Arceus.
I remember the anime being a big part of my experience with gen 4 as a kid seeing it on tv it served as a big supplementary material for the personalities of the characters
As someone who was greatly looking forward to the “idea” of Gen 4 remakes, BDSP has been a massive letdown. I can hardly even bring myself to finish it.
Tbh your better off playing renegade platinum.
try the league tho... it's something else
@@Dr.J42 league is good but that's like 5% of the game.
They should’ve did what OR/AS did, it was a remake but not a complete copy paste just turn everything 3D sort of thing
I didnt even buy it and this was my year, waiting for the game planning to finish my trinity botw gen4 and spyro... and I had doubts, and it came out just in time for christmas, and I checked the mob opinion to see what the go was if it was an uninspired lazy copy with shit graphics that was exactly the same, which I was almost willing to buy for $70 aud, which is bad, but they fucked even that up because they changed all these random fuckin things and made the gameplay different, so it lost all its charm, and the gameplay loop I had been longing to get back to all it had was the level design and roster... an old roster, and a level design WHICH I OWN FOR 3 FUCKIN DOLLARS ON MY DS
its just... tragic BUT I didnt buy it, and instead grabbed metroid dread... which turned my trinity into a whatever the word for 4 is because that game is top two easily and maybe even the best every I am not sure yet.. so if you need a game to play I cant say you will love it but I adore it, and it might be nice to play a nintendo game that had a scrap of care behind it
This is the perfect way to end the year. We need more people standing for quality. Pokémon and its fans deserve so much better. Let’s just hope GameFreak somehow manages to Legends Arceus actually awesome.
I have high doubts at Legends Arceus being actually that good. The trailers, in my personal opinion, are all over the place. Can't have new content, must be related to old stuff and known characters. It could work for the hero, but when 90% of the characters are "It's XXX's ancestor". I have worries. And that's only one of theses issues.
Arceus is kind of a step in the right direction but it's not the leap in quality we need. Pokémon is always gonna be behind on the current gen, way below the standard at this pace. So that dream game we've had since... Well, 15 years ago, it's not gonna happen. Not until it's too late, when it won't matter anymore. Not unless the people in charge change and/or the business formula changes. To catch up to reasonable expectations, they just progress too slowly. We need a BOTW-like breakthrough.
I’m not sure about Legends
It’ll be a step in the right direction but ultimately mediocre. The core fans will love it though lol
@@kickitsmooth
The core fans will love literally anything if it has “Pokémon” written on it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, ever since X/Y and the move to 3D graphics, Pokemon has been the undisputed champion of one step forward, three steps back. Pokemon Diamond was one of my most formative games growing up, so I even had the advantage of extreme nostalgia going into Brilliant Diamond and started feeling like the game was more of a chore around Iron Island.
I think most disappointing was as a player with heavy nostalgia, there really was nothing new to experience. FRLG, HGSS, ORAS, and even LGE/LGP added new content, improved storytelling, and updated the pokedex to include new gens. Here the only thing that's really new is the endgame park where you catch legendaries in what is maybe the most boring legendary pokemon farm in the series.
I don’t personally have a problem with 3D Pokemon, I mainly have a problem with Sw/Sh and maybe X/Y.
I still consider Pokemon Sun/Moon and ORAS to be high up there with the rest, and even much better in quality than some fan favorites like FR/LG, D/P/Pt, and even the original R/S/E.
@@jerryborjon ORAS is definitely the best of the 3D-era games, I won't argue that. If my 3DS hadn't been stolen, those are probably the games I'd still be shiny hunting in.
Sun/Moon, I cannot forgive the constant hand-holding and the way it will tell you three or four different times what to do next; it left very little feeling like I was exploring Alola and more like I was taking a guided tour. The excessive amount of long, unskippable dialogues and lack of mazelike dungeons to conquer, imo, really wasted the potential of one of the best designed gens.
@@paperip1996 - I didn’t personally have a problem with Sun/Moon. It sounds like it just wasn’t what you were expecting. It was just more linear than other Pokemon games, which is fine. Linear games aren’t inherently better or worse than more open games.
I disagree. Usually the first game on a new console sucks. Personally I thought sun and moon was the best pokemon game ever, but XY sucked
@@GumCow nah xy was fine, it's on the same level as ruby/sapphire and diamond/pearl except it didn't get a 3rd version
Only 3 minutes into the video and I already subscribed! Your energy is infectious😌
Arlo: *Claims I’m going to be annoyed
Me: “Oh no.”
Arlo: *Says he liked Gen 5
Me: “I thought you said you were going to annoy me, not appeal to me.”
@@CyberKnightProbably I would've been first in line if I could train a zoarark in sinnoh games or even have a cofrigigas or bisharp. I love gen 5 pokemon and have always wanted to have those pokemon in my sinnoh games. It stinks this game doesnt offer anything appealing in regards to the original and definitely not platinum.
Gen 5 is excellent. If it wasn't for my love for Johto, the BW games would be my favourite.
I will say it. I wish Gen 5 was the only region I wish I’ve haven’t hated back then. When it first came out, I wasn’t into the overworld, graphics in battles felt worse, and getting out the way, I hated Gen 5 pokemon, and barely remember them. Wasn’t too into team plasma as well. *YEARS LATER THOUGH,* black and white 2 is what got me going back, and falling in love with the series. I appreciated the darker tones the story had. The extra content it brought in post game. The PTW was a dream for me. I grown to really love N compared to back then. Most of all, animated pokemon sprites both front and back! Overall, Gen 5 wasn’t perfect for me, but it hit all the right marks of pokemon heading towards the right direction. Even to say happy that it was the Gen that marked an end of an Era.
@@CyberKnightProbably It was an interesting idea, but combined with the pokemon designs of the generation it might just be what made people dislike those games at that time.
If you look at all the pokemon sorted by generation you'll notice that gen 5 doesn't have a lot of cute pokemon compared to other generations.
In all the other games you could make a team of really cute and cool pokemon at the start
and would add the more quirky ones as you were looking to fill specific roles in your team.
Once you decide to add a weird pokemon to your team by yourself and see what i can do for you you'll become endeared to it.
In BW you might just catch the things that are available, end up with a Pignite, a Watchhog, a Simisage, a male Unfezant and a Boldore, look at your team, and realize you don't actually like any of the designs.
@@DERADI30 I actually thought Gen V had a lot of good Pokemon designs personally
Honestly, I think I needed this perspective. Diamond and Pearl are what I grew up with, so it has been very hard for me to look past the nostalgia. Those rose-colored glasses warped my perspective tremendously, only letting me see the exceptionally bad cuts like the chibi models or the lazy Pokémon follow sprites (See Milotic in the video for that).
But the rock textures, the entry points for areas, the bland town formation... I couldn't see it. I didn't even think to look for it. I just, man I wish I didn't have to be this disappointed. I waited over a decade for this game. So many people waited over a DECADE for THIS game... just think about that. I could've waited another decade if we got even something close to ORAS, but now this is what we're left with. Instead they cut every corner imaginable, they didn't strive for innovation. They didn't go, "Man, what would fans love? What would make this remake a true love letter to Sinnoh and make it memorable amongst the crowd?" No, they went "Eh, copy paste scale that hastily done Dawn model... ayyyy, we're good to go, time to print some money!"
You're the owner of the highest grossing media franchise of all time GameFreak, please act like it... just please, even at half effort you could do so much more.
Cheers Arlo, thanks for the eye opening.
Here's to a new year and a hopefully at least decent legends Arceus.
Gamefreak doesn’t own pokemon i’m afraid. It’s a cog in the pokemon company machine for lack of a better term. Regardless of their intention, they’re at the beck and call of investors to pop out mediocre titles to generate fat stacks. Bdsp beat s/s’ first week sales so the trend is upward despite the criticism. No one wants to make a bad game, but when your higher ups look at games that take minimal resources and sell more copies than most games in the year, those same higher ups will never push for innovation as long as these games sell (and like i said, they keep selling more and more every title regardless of the quality)
Worst part is, even if every single person on youtube criticising pokemon simply didnt buy the games (which would never happen, clowns keep buying the damn game despite shitting on it for a gestation period pre-launch) it would barely affect sales, we’re a drop in the bucket of sales afterall
@@longtong9039 agreed
I feel the same way. I loved Diamond and Pearl so I had a really good time with the remakes. I never thought about a lot of the things he talked about in this video, but this review was eye opening about just how bad these remakes are. It’s so sad to see a franchise you grew up with fall from grace so badly
@@longtong9039 And if you try to revolt by making fan games, Nintendo sue you for "damages".
Maybe if the fans weren’t clamoring for the remake already TPC would actually care about making it look good to better sell it to them.
Edit: The chibi models themselves are fine, I’d say. Off-putting is the switch between them and the realistically-proportioned in-battle models.
Frankly, I think the fact that I came away from this whole experience wanting; not the next gen games, and not a gen 5 remake, but instead still wanting a gen 4 remake, really points to how much of a failure BDSP were. At the very least it means they failed to satisfy me, and I'm the exact type of gen 4 fan that you'd imagine gen 4 remakes were made for.
To late babes Gen 5 is Next 😝
As a gen 5 fan, after seeing this, they better keep the PWT Is all I'm saying.
The better not fuck up gen 5
Let’s talk about the real villains here: everyone who buys games that are obviously terrible. It’s not like the Pokemon Company is going to invest in making anything beyond mediocre garbage while they’re already so busy gathering the money players keep shoveling at them.
Pokémon is literally a part of my life but I unironically love it when people like you roast the franchise to an oblivion. Keep doing you Arlo!
I hate Pokémon too
I think this comment closely represents the average Pokemon fan. It doesn't matter how little has changed. "At least we can collect more cute or cool-looking monsters."
@@mightyfist10 Yeah, that’s basically me. Can play other games, but always come back to Pokémon.
This is me, but starting with Sword and Shield I’m just…… not doing that anymore. I’m so horribly saddened by my favorite game franchise falling into such a low point and I’m so sad to see it go further and further down and knowing it just won’t get any better. Hoping for a better gen following Arceus….
@Thorozak_ I definitely feel you. Personally for me, the National Dex drama was when the reality of the state of the Pokémon franchise really hit me in such a negative way. In the end, I’m glad for the wake up call but it was a harsh one lol. I now just numbly accept the franchise is not full with enough passion like it once was. But I really hope Legends changes that.
I appreciate him staying true to himself and giving his honest, unfiltered opinion even though he knows he's likely going to get flack for it online
Arlo said what I expected him to say. People were gonna say it's trying to be faithful by not including Platinum stuff and Pokémon is for kids and not adults. Like it's the same routine with the fandom. They'll be the first to buy two copies regardless of quality and then call people entitled.
@@Daniel328DT Pokemon Fanboys have no standards
@@RoastedJustice Probably because most of them play nothing but Pokemon so their sense of taste in games is unironically fucked.
Which is Sooo dumb! They are bad games. Why are pokemon fans like this
Nostalgia... Even I started with Pokemon Yellow on Gameboy Color, but I know the series hasn't evolved in 20 years
This game was a massive disappointment. I felt betrayed, having begged for these remakes for so long. I will admit the original diamond and pearl were... Fine, at best. But that's why Platinum was such a huge upgrade. It not only made the story better by including both pokemon, but showing us Giratina and the extended puzzle section in the distortion world felt AMAZING. It looked beautiful, and I am SO disappointed we didn't get it.
Not to mention, the graphics killed the entire thing. People who wanted these remakes aren't fucking 10 years old. We WANTED the newer graphics, the realism.
When I heard Pokemon was coming to the switch, I have to admit, I expected something like Pokken Tournament, from the Wii U. I expected something that would look AMAZING. If the game cut down the dex and focused on making the game good, we wouldn't have half of these problems. We will most likely never see a properly well made Pokemon game.
And that's sad. But that's why I have decided to move on. I personally only pirate the newer pokemon games using an emulator, and I will never pay for any of these games until Nintendo puts out something I genuinely want to play. I still get a kick out of the "design your own team" part, but pretty much everything else still feels crappy to me. At least sword and shield had... Decent cosmetics.
Gen 4 is definitely my least favourite out of the entire series and I disliked them back then, couldn't imagine how disappointed you are now. :(
@@SCP01986 Gen 4 is what got me into Pokemon. I do not agree with the idea that its a bad generation, frankly I think it's one of the best, at least when considering Platinum. But my disappointment is indeed immeasurable and my day is ruined.
I despise what Pokemon has become. And it depresses me because it has one of the most solid and original concepts of all time.
Every franchise either dies or becomes bad. Its just the way it goes. Pokemon is too big for its own good, so time to move on. I personally enjoy rom hacks because those have at least some of the things that the fans really want.
Legends was a huge step forward but still graphic wise lacks
"pokemon should have realism"🤡
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!!!
Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum are the most bland of the franchise, I stopped playing the main series game after gen 3 because I was poor and there was no way in hell I as a kid could have afforded a DS + games back then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Now as an adult a couple of years ago I bought a New Nintendo 3DS XL and pirated the crap outta those games, I pick up right where I left and decided to play Pokémon Diamond to start and I gotta say, what a "Meh" game, like for real, you know is a Pokémon game, all the elements are there, but it's just so unremarkable that it's sad!
I thought maybe I was just old and Pokémon was just not the same to me anymore but guess what, I played HeartGold and loved it! But yeah, it was a remake, maybe I was being nostalgic, no, not at all, totally loved Black and Black 2, hated the guts outta Pokémon Y, and so far I'm having a blast with Alpha Saphire, so apparently yes, I'm still capable of judging when a game suck ass.
As Arlo said I guess if Diamond or Perl was your first experience playing Pokémon then it's OK, and even if it wasn't your first game, you are allowed to like whatever you like, but for people like him or me that started with gen 1 and saw the series develop game after game, Diamond and Perl didn't really offer that much.
Yep, DP were duds, BW were my introduction and far better than that crap
The biggest problem ive felt is that its forcing a 3D world into a 2D game. The player constantly snags on walls and has poor movement
This is especially bad in the tree maze and ice gym
Yeah I just beat the game in the morning and legit I was constantly bumping into stuff and getting stuck in corners all throughout the game and only got progressively worse because the paths only got more and more narrow
Yep! Full analogue control on a map that’s still grid based for some god forsaken reason. The fighting gym and the little area above a ledge where you use rock climb for the first time in Mt coronet were awful. So hard to line yourself up correctly.
@@sk00ks41 You know, that’s an easy thing to fix if you move a bit slower when you’re trying to line yourself up for something specific. Just don’t tilt the stick the whole way. They teach you that at the beginning of the game.
Oh god yeah the movement is so unbelievably clunky. Really frustrating at times.
@@LinkMountaineer or maybe they could just make it work like it did in the original game
as in, at all
Arlo: "I need to stop pushing myself, I'm overworked"
Also Arlo: *uploads 3 videos back to back during the holidays*
Get some rest buddy... You deserve it
It’s probably still on his backlog
He most likely worked ahead a good bit, but yeah, rest is good
He’s way too good to us
Post-production takes a lot of time, even when you have editors on staff. Stream-of-consciousness videos like what you're referring to only need to be sliced up a little, but full reviews like this need to be written, recorded (with some discarded takes, I'm sure), and then put together with appropriate video. So his "confession" video was probably recorded a day or two before its upload, while something like this may have been mostly done on his end weeks ago.
But I've been there too - I produce and edit videos for my employer, and though I'm not in nearly as deep as Arlo, I understand feeling burned out while still on the home stretch of multiple projects. He absolutely deserves the rest.
BDSP will be forgotten. And should be forgotten
The definitive edition of gen 4 still platinum until this day, as a sinnoh lover this game hurt my feelings and I don't even play this yet.
Despite knowing we would receive remakes at some point, it is disappointing the fans waited this long to see this as the remakes. Feels like a slap in the face after getting games like FRLG, HGSS, and ORAS.
Well, what did you expect from the same company who made the crappy Godzilla PlayStation game?
ORAS, isalso considered bad. No Dexnav does not make it good xD
@@Lordodragonss Before BDSP I considered ORAS kinda lacking. Now I think its actually great
@@Lordodragonss i believe ORAS to be the last good Pokemon Games after Gen 5. X/Y was okay, the only saving grace for those game was the fact, that they made the jump into 3D.
I know. Gen 4 is my favorite Gen, and I've been waiting for this since before ORAS, and I feel so jipped.
I can't believe there was a time that I thought Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire were "the worst remakes." Sure, the removal of the Battle Resort stung, but it also added so much quality of life improvements, new content, AND actually incorporated the Emerald content back into the main plot. If Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl are what I can expect for Gen 5 remakes then count me out.
ORAS literally gave old Pokemon megas, changed the story, characters and gave us even a bonus Emerald story.
I get it they removed the battle frontier but they gave us a far better story.
At least ORAS did far more than SWSH and BDSP.
@@MasterJongXG My memory of the Battle Frontier was that it was way too powerful to reasonably complete from the position you ended the rest of the content on, and never really understood the reason people miss it so heavily that they dock points on ORAS for it.
@@Spantzcatdog They're competitive-level trainers and Pokemon builds, and you have to win 50 battle streaks in order to challenge the Frontier Brains, many of which are under various restrictions (like "only using Rental Pokemon" or "having to fight off status conditions imposed through random chance" or "fighting the whole thing with just one Pokemon".
@@Spantzcatdog Not really? They're more like Gym Leaders, but no type specialties.
It really feels like the games are getting worse
Wow man. We had the EXACT same experience with this. Thank you for putting all of this into words.
I hear there's a japan-exclusive physical book of concept art which shows some features that Pokémon ended up using in Legends Arceus but not in the Diamond/Pearl remakes that leave stuff out that's in Platinum. Including the extra Pokémon that were part of the Sinnoh dex meaning you didn't have to limit yourself to only having a Chimchar or Ponyta as your fire-type. Those Pokémon can only be found in the underground area. Also, something else is that the concept art book shows actual characters and not that chibi art-style that the final games do. It's GameFreak limiting the Pokémon Diamond & Pearl remakes so that Legends Arecus can seem more appealing. Also one thing is that one of the pages shows a full-scale Onyx in a city.
It’s so weird to me that this is pretty much the EXACT same game as Diamond and Pearl but with updated mechanics and a bit more postgame. Even things like the Team Galactic building in Eterna City and the Pokétch having one button were retained from DP for the sake of being “faithful”. Even though Pearl was my first game, I’ve gotten so used to Platinum. While I haven’t played the remake, I have watched other people play it, and it’s kind of weird to see the story to play out differently than I’m used to. I can’t even remember there ever being one button on the Pokétch or the Team Galactic building in Eterna City being a generic apartment building or the Hearthome gym having a math puzzle. Platinum made so many improvements so for few to none of them being implemented for the sake of being “faithful” is very disappointing.
There are a few strange Platinum elements that made their way over. The Galactic Eterna Building still has the Rotom room, Charon's journal included. Even though I think Charon was the least necessary addition to platinum, it still feels weird that he gets referenced despite not existing. The Great Marsh guy reverts to the DP bait/mud mistake as opposed to the also wrong PT bait/mud explanation. E4 rematch teams are more akin to those seen in Platinum.
I love Gen 4, but everyone has a right to express their opinion. I’m saddened that the Pokemon fandom has gotten toxic to the point you had to put that lengthy disclaimer at the start, when your criticisms of the franchise in general always seem justified to me at least.
The way I look at it is that for everyone who hates the direction that pokemon has gone there are those who like the recent games. Problem is no one can seem to have a civilized discussion anymore
sacrifices to the church of nintendo.
It's how every Fandom is because it's how people are yet there's still people that go on a fanbase by fanbase basis. Silly.
Lol that's what happens when a group of people are ignored year after year with no end in sight bitterness is natural at the point we're at it's pretty much the only thing they even acknowledge I mean come on how hard is it to listen to your fans or at least hear what they think all those minds and ideas wasted
Yes!
It all comes down to this question: why in 2020's do they insist on selling us a handheld game and not a Nintendo Switch game?
Of course, there is more nuance to that, but you get the point. I want a Nintendo Switch version of that game. A true remake.
Is a remake really a remake when they remain thoroughly faithful to the original to its detriment?
Because gamefreak is stuck in the 2010s with the peak mon games at the DS era when the tech was just limited but good enough to show us how Pokemon could be done
It would be a remaster
I agreed with everything but couldn’t when the music was brought up. That’s one of the few things I really LIKE about gen 4, their jazzy music, almost every track is amazing and I can’t think of any I’d dislike. I also like a lot of the pokémon’s desings and the mythology they added, making the Sinnoh region way more interesting than Kanto or Hoenn, but that’s it, that’s what I only enjoyed about these games… And I’m talking about the original Diamond and Pearl games… I’m not playing the remake, thanks.
To the pokemon apologists that think we should stop complaining: you HAVE to admit that the series deserves to be taken care of, right? Like, can we agree that this game is not up to the bare minimum of what it could and should be? It just deserves better.
Like, I'm a Pokemon apologist, yet I agree 105%. What an absolute letdown. For every step forward they made with these remakes, there was just another step back. They have all the power in the world to make these games absolute top-quality gems, but they just....don't. 😞
Yes in a sense I agree with your statement, it deserves better. But, this video is still rambling petty nonsense consisting of about 5% accuracy.
@@komaytoprime Sounds like you wanted more of a new game, rather than a remaster.
@@van5316 nothing like someone airing out their feelings and having their feelings be called petty. Only on the internet
Consoomers won’t listen to anyone nor do they care. They just consoom and get excited for the next product.
Whenever I fantasized about playing Pokemon on my TV on a powerful home console, I never once thought it would be the equivalent of using a Super Gameboy with a DS game.
Did anyone expect the home console era of Pokemon to be so underwhelming?
GF has always maintained that Pokemon wasn’t a series that belonged on home consoles. And I get the feeling that they aren’t really excited about working with more powerful hardware.
I mean Colosseum and XD came before and they were WAY better and they didn't even have Gyms...
@@psychokinrazalon I wish they would get the hell over it and let Pokémon grow up like other franchises.
I fully expected people to be disappointed and it to not live up to expectations. You can't expect developers who've been stuck on solely handhelds for 20 years to jump right into consoles and be among the greatest. But I was expecting more than THIS. Experiment with lets go and legends arceus? Sure, go ahead! Cut the dex and make a bland swsh and bdsp? What are you doing! Those are literally safe games, at least make them live up to previous ones if you're just doing the same thing over again!
@@Fantallana I imagine they had to fight tooth and nail to get the greenlight for Legends Arceus. That game’s probably the first time in a long while they’ve actually cared about making a Pokemon game besides making money.
When these games released I feel like a lot of the people who've been chanting for gen 4 remakes for so long severely regretted their decisions.
We did
You are one of the few youtubers who are so entertaining to listen to in audio-only mode!
I was pretty underwhelmed with the remakes soundtrack. There's a decent amount of songs in the original games I really love, but they tend to be the quieter songs; Eterna city, Pokecenter night, Route 209, etc. But in the remake it's just a bunch of really noisy instruments drowning eachother out. Route 209 is honestly a great example, especially considering we have the Brawl remix of the track to compare it to that keeps all of the subtleties of the song intact.
Gosh, thank you for saying that. Every time I've commented on the soundtrack comparisons, I get attacked by people saying either I'm not a true fan or my nostalgia goggles are on too tight. Which, 1) I've played the game since I was a wee lass, and 2) I've heard GREAT remasters so far, Braxton Burks makes some amazing remasters, especially Giratina's theme; he gives it a really creepy choir.
They used the same songs, just changed in midi instruments and the arrangements are the exact same too. They basically Sonic Chronicles'd it and hoped nobody would notice.
The Brawl version on the other hand is made from scratch.
@@YujiUedaFan they also messed with the mixing. Some of the best parts of the soundtrack are totally washed out and back in the mix now. The counter line in the Galactic Grunt fight theme, off the top of my head. The guitar stings in Route 226.
I'm just super glad they included the DS Sounds key item like they did in HGSS so I can listen to the original music everywhere.
Route 209 is one of my favourite tracks in all of Pokemon, the thought that they messed it up is pretty sad
EDIT: yeah I listened to it and its alright but damn are there way too many instruments. Very underwhelming
I felt this with the Dialga/Palkia thene. The original felt quiet and contemplative, which made it more dramatic and tense imo. They made it way too over the top, and butchered it in the process.
I stopped playing Pokemon after Ruby and Sapphire so I bought these games to see what gen 4 was all about. I'm in Victory Road now and I can safely say I've gotten the same pool of 25 Pokemon for about 75% of my wild encounters. I genuinely thought my game was glitched.
Funny. When I reached VR I had seen 146 Pokemon and captured over 100 of them.
Can you play Pokémon Black & White? It's tied with Ruby & Sapphire in my opinion, as somebody with larger nostalgia goggles for Ruby & Sapphire.
Sword and Shield are better games and more worth your money. There, I said it.
@@VioletLunaChan Which is a god damn shame too
Platinum was much better with 210 Pokemon in the Sinnoh Dex but maybe that's few for you compared to the 400 or so of latest gens.
Gen 4 added one of the most significant mechanical changes of all time. The physical special split. It made so many Pokemon usable to fun to try out like Gyrados and Gengar. Hitmonchan finally can use the elemental punches as physical moves
I agree.
Re: art, I actually liked Links Awakening a lot! I liked that they made the chibi style more toy-like and I thought it was charming. But this? This looks awful
Exactly. Link's Awakening remake at least went out of their way to make the chibi style at least *feel* like an artistic choice, but here it definitely just felt like cutting corners.
17:35 Not so fun fact; when using the dpad, you can't move diagonally. so the easiest way to use walking speed *locks you into four directional grid based movement.* If you do attempt to move diagonally with the dpad, it prioritizes horizontal movement over vertical too, rather than being based off the order the directions are pressed. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the studio that made this remake had originally intended for the game to not have 360 degree movement considering the weird issues it has whenever you run into a wall/cliff when moving diagonally, and all the objects you mentioned
It’s not that. The 3ds games have the same feature in them it’s just sword and shield do not.
@@MustacheDLuffy I distinctly remember being able to move diagonally in the 3DS games. Regardless, even if that was the case, there's no excuse for not having it when SwSh already had diagonal movement
You can move diagonally on a grid in every mainline 3ds pokemon game
@@melvint-p9500 There's a difference though; the game's geometry in the 3DS games are designed with 360 degree movement. This is why you don't come to a halt (or massively slow down) at every little corner in those games when moving with the circle pad. This sadly, was not the case with BDSP
I didn’t know they put boss instead of Cyrus lol. That’s awful and yet hilarious
He was born to be a leader XD
Thank you Arlo. Saved me $60. Guess I’ll just keep playing my copies of Blue and Silver.
I legitimately would recommend Platinum too if you don’t have that though, also amazing
There are so many other monster tamer games out there, SMT JUST came out, it's on the switch and costs the same amount as pokemon, it does most of the things you and other people want, but instead of buying it or other monster tamer games and giving them the love and attention they deserve, folks just keep hate buying Pokémon.
Why would gamefreak ever do anything to improve the series if this formula keeps selling.
I feel like there's a big misunderstanding right off the bat, this was NOT made by game freak, it is a remake of a game by game freak made by ILCA so the blame lies on them for not innovating unless it's due to higher ups.
In terms of games game freak actually made I feel it's partially that game freak doesn't have the employees or horse power to do anything revolutionary. They finally at least tried to innovate with legends arceus and imo they did a good job. But they don't really have the ability to do anything massive or impressive outside of base gameplay.
I think a good way to put it into perspective is that Atlus, the developers of SMT, have more people in their team than game freak. Not even a triple A company, and Pokemon is the largest multimedia franchise in the world and their main devs game freak have less people.
When a game is advertised as "faithful", it's shorthand for lazy.
arlo was more savage than I was LOL
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Yeah, but Arlo’s complaints were a little silly. He said Cyrus had no name….which he does, and he said that wild encounters were outdated…while it’s a remake of the originals. DistantKingdom, you’re criticism was actually really good. I think you did a better job than Arlo on this one.
Lion lion lion when both of these things were changed in a remake over a decade ago, which had the same hardware limitations, it's outdated no matter "faithful" you want to be. If they wanted to be faithful, they shouldn't have chosen the version the developers basically disowned.
th-cam.com/video/couGGhIRgzw/w-d-xo.html The thing is, it COULD have been like this! From Johto Jonny btw.
@@Laughy-Flaaffy you know where encounters werent as outdated? Platinum… when they made the better remake of this game YEARS ago
Finally! Someone who understands the frustrations people have with the chibi style! Exactly my thoughts! Like, the usual monolouge I give to people about why I dislike the style is so similar to how you put it into words-
The reason I disliked the chibi style is because when I am looking forward to a remake, I want it to be a modernized version of that game, which includes the graphics AND style. Nintendo’s odd fixation of making this game as similar to the originals ruins the point of a remake. I was looking forward to it being an ORAS version of diamond and pearl and instead we just got the original games with barely a new coat of paint to change em up.
“It looks like a wall with rocks painted on it” 😂 so true
I was more excited for these games than anything else this year, and I left this feeling emptier and more frustrated than any game has ever made me, and that’s what pisses me off the most about these games. It was so easy for them to get it right and they couldn’t even do that.
It really puts it into perspective when they couldn't even be bothered to put a forward/back button on the Poketch like in Platinum.
Sorry but why were you excited? This is exactly as you should have expected, it's a modern Pokemon game, therefore it will be bad.
New Pokémon Snap is the best pokémon game on the Switch and is the one game freak had the least direct involvement in... Coincidence?
@@mrwho995 I was mostly excited to go through Sinnoh again as an adult whith more knowledge of Pokémon. I didn’t expect the games to be masterpieces or anything, but I expected them to be fully serviceable and just fine, and they weren’t even that
@@mrwho995 lol based on your vast pokemon understanding then when was it a good pokemon game? You see people usually say the first three but I grew up playing them all and to say they were the good ones feels a bit too much like nostalgic bias
I was super excited that the gen 4 remakes were coming after Sword and Shield. Gen 3's remakes took a ton of the (then) new features from X and Y, and I was looking forward to a similar treatment for gen 4. But then they came out with the basic, penny pinching, exactly the same visual style game with nearly no improvements. I'm flabbergasted at how lazy such a wealthy company can be, so I'm just emulating platinum on my phone. Literally better features than this remake
gen 3 remakes honestly were a disappointment and i saw that pokemon was going down hill from there honestly
@@spectrumblastgaming Based
Also, there's this th-cam.com/video/kFC6mDKF-0c/w-d-xo.html
actually why not settle for something greater than platinum why not renegade platinum sure its a romhack but its closer to what a remake for diamond and pearl should be.
Try a hack called renegade platinum. It's better than the og imo
I recommend watching Arlo's review on Monster Hunter Stories 2, it's a monster capture/fighting game like Pokemon but seeing what actual effort put into it looks like~
It's in no way a "Pokemon Killer" but it's so nice seeing the models for your monsters actually do the animation for their attacks instead of the still models just shaking around on it's axis
Bro I'm really scared for the Generation 5 remakes....
Arlo: "Don't watch this video" Everyone: Watches the video
Reverse physiology at its finest
But of course.
He's arlo how an I not going to watch it
Seriously this is one of the best “clickbait” videos I’ve seen. 😅
@@aidengrudich6641 clickbait gets you to click on a video BEFORE it starts.
If you're already watching the video, he already had you BEFORE saying dont watch so you were watching already anyway
I never planned on getting BDSP (especially since I had recently gotten Platinum for my birthday), but a friend "accidentally" bought the double pack because they wanted the special pins that came with it. I originally offered to buy Brilliant Diamond off of them for $60, which they said they wouldn't sell for more than $30, but ended up just giving it to me for free because of how bad the game was. They're the type who likes to look at the good of even the worst games and THEY were calling this game bad. I played like 20 minutes of BD before going back to Platinum.
Where did you get platinum? I can’t find a legit copy anywhere that isn’t obscenely expensive
Hope you enjoy it! It's a very long game, but defeating Cynthia in the end is oh so satisfying.
@@fluffernutter792 It's a like 8 hour experience what
0:40 I am mainly watching so I can have an informed opinion on whether or not I should get the game (love your vids btw)
I swear they could’ve doubled sales of the battle Frontier, megas and platinum stuff was added
5:35
And time to take that credit away
-Hau is The grandson of a kahuna, it's not the same as the champion but just like Hop it actually gives him a reason to strive to be the best.
-Lusamine did the whole secret villain thing first and was far better at it.
-Team Skull, they may not be in love with a gym leader but let's be real Team Yell is like a less charming version of them.
Sword and Shield feels like sun and moon but even worse in these aspects.
I would argue against that with Hop as I felt like he was a better version of Hau in terms of having an arc involved in losing and trying to figure out what to do after that. Heck actually story to game integration is done were his team changed multiple times almost like he was having a crisis of what Pokemon to use. Can't defend Rose on that one but I actually like the idea of his motivation being noble but in the end to far sighted and slightly greedy with the idea instead of Lusamine's more selfish desires except USUM but you mentioned just base Sun and Moon. As for Team Yell, while yes they are goofy like Skull I actually liked how they represent fans who get more rowdy and prideful in someone they like, it made it feel sweet in a weird way. Not to say Skull is bad but I really think their more so equal.
@@digitaltailsmon4096 Well, I guess Skull and Yell part is a bit more subjective. However with Hop, even that arc isn't original. It's the same as Bianca's and personally I think Bianca was done better.
@@Nova-gh5yr That's a fair point I feel Bianca's is still the best arc for a friendly rival but I kinda like all of them a lot so I can be kinda defensive. Sorry if I was mean at all
@@digitaltailsmon4096 Mhm, striving to be a trainer only to learn not everyone can be strong and then ending up being a professor's assistant is just the exact same thing. Also you don't need to apologize, you weren't mean in the slightest.
Imagine how incredible a Pokemon remake would look in that HD2D system that Octopath or Triangle Strategy uses.....how freaking cool would that be?
Too bad Pokemon is just a small indie series who can't afford that, they don't have near the money that gaming juggernauts likes Octopath traveler has
Oh that’s a really good idea, that would look so cool
I really, really want this style for Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, to be honest. I think the 3D style really doesn’t do justice to the story or charm or gameplay. And I liked PSMD!
Basically the same as my review, agreed on almost all points. Always love an Arlo review, keep it up dude! Inspired me to start reviewing too!
It's been ages since this game came out and I finally realise what I think the character models look like.
It's Buddypoke. That old chibi social media thing from like 15 years ago. Shoutouts to everyone that actually knows and remembers it.