KEN COLEMAN CAN'T COMPREHEND GHOSTING A JOB (Reacting to "Why Employees Ghost")
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Watching that guy is ultra annoying.
He probably did not expect all those dislikes on his video
I will stick with your channel Josh.
Joshua how do you like to have infinite material for videos? :)
Isn't Ken married to one of the Ramsey daughters? Yeah, he isn't living in the real world. Maybe the Ramsey corporation is a good company, but it doesn't matter. They are drowned out by sh1t huge corporations where you are just a number they couldn't care less about.
Employers have been ghosting candidates for decades. When the tables get turned, the name-calling comes out.
that's how bullies and narcissists act
same thing goes with "lOyAlTy" argument. when a worker jumps from job to job its "untrustworthy" but a company replaces/fires employees back to back its "bettering the company"
Yeah, I’ve been ghosted more times than I can count by a employer as a job candidate
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 sure wish you had been giving me advice 20 years ago.
"If you hate how much your job pays, find a higher paying job!"
"Okay"
"Wait, not like that 🥺"
Bingo. Their whole philosophy is based on you having zero options. The internet has changed all of that.
So has covid. In a big way. Americans were discarded by companies and had to adopt individualized entrepreneurial remedies to stay afloat. It's a very American solution that illustrates how more and more people don't "need" their job to make it. They can make their own way or find a job they actually like. It's an amazing time that has come probably a decade or more early.
🤣👍🏼
@@ls6097 yea even tho internet job postings aren't new even mom and pop shops use indeed now and jobs are defiantly easier to find these days although different. Don't hate the player hate the game
I have my appraisal next week.
My colleague/buddy told me his didn't go well in terms of getting a raise.
If I'm asked about wanting I raise I'm going to tell the director
"rather than me give you a figure, why don't you pay me what you think I'm worth and I'll decide if that's acceptable by staying or looking for another job - if you think I'm worth my current salary, continue paying my current salary, if you think I'm worth more, pay more"
I'm not begging for a payrise.
I'm a boomer and Josh is right, I'm glad young people are fighting back against corporations and brown-noser managers.
We were all fed a story to control the employee..
Salute to you sir/maam.
You’re a good boomer Paulo 👊
I'm an older dude I'm with you
Okay boomer
People don't work to be "courageous" Ken, they do it to AFFORD FOOD AND A ROOF.
Shhhh, don't let corporate know that. They're planning their next team building exercises and updating their "company culture" handbook.
I am happy to be homeless and on drugs at this point I don’t care about a roof on my head
@@adequatequalitylol 😂 exactly
No I do it to be a team player! I sleep In the forest and go to 24 hour fitness take a shower pick up my balls and go to my entry level position. I’m basically working for free to afford daycare. I just like to see everyone smile. Oh and sometimes I get free pizza!
It will never not shock me how boomers think they’re like Hercules because they worked a regular job…just like *everybody else.*
But they entered the job market at an optimal time from RNG, so now they have more, and having more means you’re a demigod. 🇺🇸
People don’t like giving notice because employers start acting hostile as hell for those two weeks!
Some even will short your final check
yea ive seen it first hand dating someone in HR, 1 week notice the most you should give. If there's a issue, itll usually come to a head in those 2 weeks and then just end up messy majority of the time. This also depends on how your money is set up lol sometimes you need to squeeze out that last paycheck
@@life5161 then its just a mess trying to figure out once your no there, your company email is usually deleted by then, so if you didnt back up any conversation before anything spoken about is gone
I was auditing this company and they told us a new ap person was starting today. She went out to get a coffee at 10 and never came back. What a legend
I was at a company where the accountant left a post it note that he quit. Still awesome.
@@kaym7704 that's awesome
Amazing.
That woman is the best thing since sliced bread.
@LTNetjak Had an internship recently, not in accounting but safety and engineering, and they went from like 10 accountants to literally the only one left was a new hire entry. Hope they treated her well after I left. Hope she asked for 10 times the pay since they likely asked her to pick up the slack.
I quit for a better paying job, 1 week after getting the job. I offered 2 weeks, but the boss threw something against the wall and told me to leave. Who's the child Ken?
Or they just make your last two weeks hell... Plenty of children companies out there.
Wow
Lmaooo there's no way they didn't have another few candidates that would be happy to get an offer letter anyways
@@danielstarr8957 there isn't a single company on this world that could ruin my last 2 weeks lol
In my career history I gave one place my 2 weeks, then set my 2 weeks vacation after that. Only for the benefit of my direct supervisor, not the owner.
Another place I placed my keys on my desk one evening and never came back.
Last job I worked for someone, 8 years, I gave my employer 2 months. He was a good dude.
Took that 8 years of experience and started my own business. Never looked back. Best decision ever.
So my daughter got her first job at a huge engineering firm here in KC MO. It wasn't a good fit for her so she started looking for a new job. When she found one she did exactly what I and Ken Coleman would advise her to do. She gave her two weeks notice to HR. Do you know what this fortune 500 company did as a response to her two week notice??? Within 30 min of her turning in her notice a security guard show up to her office, gave her just a few moments to gather any person items and escorted her ass right out the door in front of all her coworkers. Screw these corporations. You owe them nothing.
That's a standard practice in case the employee has malicious intent during those 2 weeks.
@@moe47988So what? The corporations can’t have it both ways. I worked for Hallmark and they do the exact same thing and it’s deplorable. I didn’t give notice, they begged me to stay a few more weeks. Told them “Too bad, figure it out “
@@moe47988Yet the story would impy none. It seems like a fear tactic to keep others in line
@@moe47988So even less of a reason to provide two weeks, got it.
If you leave to go to work for a direct competitor, they will usually walk you out immediately.
As a master ghoster: I immediately stopped watching Ken Coleman after seeing this, and so glad I found your channel recently!
I was fired Oct 13, and when my boss texted me to see how I was doing days later: I do NOT feel bad for not replying. He was the type of middle manager who’d say that we’re family and that this is our home, and just more red flags than a Chinese communist parade I wish I had seen sooner.
I’m still grieving the loss, but so relieved to not be there anymore. 3 years wasted, stagnating and gaining weight from the stress… Grateful it was only 3 years, and no more!
EDIT:
Worked for JPMorgan, and can confirm. One time HR called me about how a client called to complain that my Twitter was too conservative and offensive… Meanwhile I don’t have Twitter NOR LinkedIn because of a stalker client.
EDIT 2:
Oh hey, that’s me at 12:06! Hi Josh!
👋😅
@@ariannagalluzzo Really! His pupils dilating so much it turned his blue eyes black as I was crying on my way out confirms this.
@@ariannagalluzzo Yeah I thought that
Omg, what loser looks up the Twitter account of an employee that services them and then has the nerve to complain about it to the employee's company? Only someone without a life would do that.
I wish you the best btw.
I'm stealing your Chinese communist party line :)
People don't ghost a great employer, so Ken has no point because who cares about a bad employer.
I'm 55 years old, and I've been working since I was 15 years old. I agree with everything you say. You're just a number to a company, an asset, and that's it.
Since you are older and have more experience than a majority of people in this comment section I want to ask you a question. Has it always been this hostile? This back and forth war so to speak between employees and employers. It seems to me people are being viewed as disposable more than ever. Thanks in advance for the response.
Burning bridges looks awesome on the resume and trying to get unemployment
What's happening now is the reaction employers never expected because they have been lording over us for decades. We are presently heading into an employee's market which usually occurs during technology surges. What happened this time was the opposite. Employers facing covid issues simply jettisoned their staff with barely a care since their employees have always been "a dime a dozen" in their eyes.
What covid restrictions did for employees is expose the futility of working for employers who clearly don't value them. For years employees have been caught in a trap that makes them believe their entire life will collapse if they lose their job. And most of us lived with this belief for decades. Even with a degree on the wall it was a profound driver that played into the hands of employers.
This Coleman character is still subscribed to the late 1940s employer methodologies. It was a time when an employer could say whatever they wanted about an employee who dared to quit. Using one for a reference was a crapshoot based on the mood of the employer you left. If they decided to be a dick about it, you might have to change your whole field just to find a job. Your reputation could be trashed with amazing rapidity. Only the information age has brought us back to that point after decades of lawsuits and employee rights legislation.
Coleman is frustrated because he doesn't see the truth of the matter. When he realizes that employees spent the last year learning how to survive on their own, it's going to shock him. Everything he knows about running a business is being rewritten on the fly. I bet he has a copy of Guerilla Marketing on his bookshelf. Next to the One Minute Manager and First Break All the Rules.
He's a dinosaur who doesn't know it yet.
@@jamesgentry13 ah yes, because I'm gonna put "ghosted" next to the last job I worked at 😂
A replaceable asset.
The 2 week notice is meant to protect the employer so they have time to replace you. They don't extend the same courtesy to the employee. Also, if you suddenly find yourself training someone to do your job and you're not being promoted, you're about to be fired.
I quit a job without two weeks notice with the intent of costing my company months of time and money to replace me. I wanted them to squirm. I considered this my moral obligation because it was my only means of demonstrating to them that they couldn’t prey on and belittle and lie to their employees constantly without negative consequences.
@@ceciliacole5098 bok bok bok, what's the matter, McFly, CHICKEN?
Dick Clark was known as “America’s Oldest Teenager”, but Ken Coleman will go down in history as “America’s Youngest Boomer”.
Lol!!!!
🤣🤣🤣Such a dweeb..
haha i love this!!
Nah that’s conservative Matt Walsh
George Kammel fits that boomer -mindset description as well.
The "two week notice" tradition, as you call it, only exists to protect the company and give them all the power. Same thing with exit interviews.
Like who says I would have to have a exit interview?
I don't do exit interviews - a waste of time and no one cares. If you wanted my input you would've asked a long time ago. Too little too late.
We have 30 days notice over here in our country. If you skip it, some of your pay is docked and in some instances you may get put on a blacklist on hiring sites.
@@shijai India?
@@John_Lee_ India, many parts of Europe too. I've heard some places even have 3 month notice periods, which is ridiculous.
Hey, here's an idea:
If you don't want employees just leaving, sign a contract with them which requires a 1 month notice period from both sides.
Of course, if you did that, then the employee could hold you to account as well, and we can't have that!
You are very smart
No no no, we can't do that. That's what "socialist" countries do, requiring a reasonable contract between employee and employer. If I can't trash an employee on a moment's notice, I can't adjust my labor cost for a month of sagging sales then rehire next month when things stabilize.
Since most companies require references from previous employers, companies should be required to provide a list of employees they have recently let go too. That way employers are held just as accountable.
You're describing glassdoor.
@@robbnoble1509 Except there are a ton of false reviews on Glassdoor - working for 25 years, the worst company I ever worked for somehow had halfway decent reviews on Glassdoor. This was a company where people were fired on a weekly basis and other people quit in spectacular fashion. Normally - someone dropping off a laptop and keys on their boss's desk over the weekend would stand out - but not when other people are throwing computers across the room, screaming obscenities and leaving. Before somebody ask - it wasn't a junk job these were people with good paying jobs. Glassdoor is a really untrustworthy.
@@sandyhoy9380 Maybe I Should shit on the boss's desk and piss in the HR lady's cup lol before i leave the office all i Gotta do is find a plan and courage
That would require leverage. Something workers gladly gave away collectively
You want to work there they don’t want you. You are going there why do they need to coddle you
I've had so many interviews where I go through multiple rounds and total silence. No email saying "no thanks", nothing. then you wonder why people ghost YOU???? You reap what you sow.
What Ken doesn't understand is that there is no longer any (if there ever was) employee loyalty. One day, after ten years of never taking a sick day, or saying no to overtime, you can get laid off. Just like that. No meeting, no bonus, you are just gone
Job security was always an illusion, when companies don't need you anymore its cheerio
@@rory644 Not really, when working for the government, fire and police department, as a doctor, there is job security but in many other cases, you are right, there are no guarantees. But with proper legislation, this could also be the case
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
This. Job security is dead, I love my job, and I would like to do right by them, but I'm never going to sacrifice my health or my future to make someone who doesn't really care about me feel more comfortable.
@rev. reality Job security is even less ambiguous, but yeah you're right, employee loyalty is the opposite. It means employees being loyal, not the company being loyal to the employees.
Ken's diatribe against social media and anonymity is really just about maintaining a system based on fear, coercion, and uneven power dynamics. That's probably the most boomer thing I've ever heard.
Oh hes getting supported by some corporation guaranteed.
I did it over 20 years ago to an employer. It has NEVER “caught up to me”. In fact the place is out of business now. I could tell people I was the VP in charge of manufacturing and there would be ZERO way to Verify or Disprove.
You never kept any employment documentations, wage or tax receipts? No old award plaques or correspondence at all?
A previous employer of mine called me at home to tell me I had been terminated. Would not give me a reason. Told me to call HR to get an explanation. HR had no idea what was going on. Tried to call workplace back and they wouldn't answer. Yeah I don't think I'll ever be upset because someone ghosted their recruiter or employer...
I had a company just take me off the schedule, and not tell me I was terminated.
@@Nicolai-Syn Damn
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope you find something better
@@Nicolai-Syn Oh no....so sorry that happened to you.
But you tried to phone them
Even if you give a two week notice. They likely won't give you a good reference regardless. Employers hate it that you left their company for a better paying job.
HR told me they don’t do referals 😂
Okay so if I provide the direct contact to some of my former coworkers what are they going to do about it?
@@ethxo6734 nothing, never go to the employer, go to former co-workers
Most companies will now simply say you worked at the company from Date A to Date B. That's why it's important to keep in contact with a couple of people to serve as references.
The only thing that keeps me going at my current job, is imagining the joy I will feel when I get a new job and can ghost them. I’ve been daily enthusiastically acting like I love my job to try to create the maximum surprise for my boss.
I remember once in college, I was applying to work at Target during the summer to earn some extra cash. I submitted by resume, and not long after landed an interview. I absolutely nailed it. I had all the relevant job experience and availability, got along really well with the person doing the interview, gave all the right answers to their questions, etc. Walked out of that interviewed pretty confident. Then they ghosted me and I never heard from them again. So yeah, I don't feel too bad about ghosting companies, especially when they lead me on like that
Gotta love all the "honor thy employer" propoganda being churned out of Ramsey Solutions.
But Ramsey had no problem firing an employee for getting pregnant out of wedlock. Oh, the irony
Lol
@@rbcook5245 absolute hypocrites
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
That's because capitalism is their real god. It's not the judeo Christian God. That's just a cover. These large companies are basically their own countries.
Sometimes in war, when you blow up the bridge behind you you can only go forward. That lack of ability to retreat can give motivation to fight as you're going to die if you don't
This was mostly a tactic so that the opposition can't follow your tracks...
Which is also good advice.
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
@@rejectionistmanifesto8836your a sad sad person and I hope one day you find someone who will help you.
I actually gave the notice period at my previous place, it was 4 weeks notice period, I was in a sales role at a top finance firm, In this last month they put up every other hurdle out there to ensure I don't get my monthly commission, the manager stopped helping me in dealing with clients, they removed my access to existing clients, the manager turned rude and brash, they acted as if I'm not in the office at all, overall a shitty experience, I would highly suggest ghosting rather than going though that awkward misery at the firm, Instead of outright ghosting I'd suggest you attend other interviews to find your new job, and once you get the job, just quit after you get your month end salary and bonus if its there, that's it.
Why did you stay for 4 weeks once you discovered they were being obstructive?
I'd just leave on the spot the moment Id get started to treat to bad
@@cheshirecat2641 Yeah I already had a few clients paid up and I needed to bring in another 60% of the target to get my bonus, and I didnt want to leave and have them keep the bonus as well !
I was told once at a job fair that I should never quit my job, even if I find another one, because until you fill out the employee paperwork, the w2 and the i9 and health insurance, the company might still change their minds and drop you. That happened to someone I know who moved to my state to take a job offer, only to be dropped by the company after he got here. That was 1999, so boomers definitely know about this behavior. Another coworker I knew back in the 00s got a job at another company and just started working his new job without giving notice. He was a no call no show for days before anyone figured out he wasn't coming back.
Aha in some fucked up world where you felt it necessary you could take vacation as you start the new job as a buffer. Then if you have a problem you can come back from your vacation.
You burn bridges so that there is no going back. You give yourself only one option: move forward and never look back....like a boss.
Boss level achieved!!
ahhhh!
in the same ways friendships are voluntary, so are relationships, especially those pertaining to work!
A similar LinkedIn article had equally hilarious responses. Boiled down, it was something like
Recruiters: "Yea! Ghosting is terrible for us, it isn't nice!"
Techies: "Cry my a river idiot"
“Ghosting is not natural if you’re a professional”?? Tell that to all of the job agencies I’ve dealt with over the years as an I.T professional…..
I'm a confrontational person by nature yet I've learned to not initiate confrontation with anyone I know to be dishonest or emotionally unstable because it'll only be a waste of my time and energy. Not to mention opening myself up to false accusations.
So true and wise! I've learned this too that it's a waste of precious time and energy because these narcissist types are manipulative and vindictive. They'll never take accountability for their actions. Success and moving forward is the best revenge.
Companies want employees to abide by a different set of rules than them. They want all of the power and none of the responsibilities. There is so much hypocritical behavior and it’s about time for employees to start giving as good as they get. Keep the great videos coming, Joshua.
"Companies want employees to abide by a different set of rules than them. They want all of the power and none of the responsibilities"
I heard this somewhere else, related to dating and marriage...
All of the power and none of the responsibility. Yup. That sums up what some of these companies are like these days. Might as well toss accountability in there too
@@simonebernacchia5724 erryone wants that if you are a poor but attractive dude marrying into a rich family u will do the same thing most dudes are just not that guy
What's worst then being ghosted, is when recruiters send you an e-mail saying "you fit their requirements for a job", you call them and then they say "We need someone with more experience". lol, I got that a lot right after i graduated with college.
Yeah. That gets old fast.
what's even worst is when they say you have the perfect skillset for the job and then when you reiterate said skillset during the interview they say they "wanted to go for someone with a different skillet". total waste of time! you bet your a** im ghosting these clowns right back
That's what I never understood before getting 30% VA disability.
How are you supposed to have ANY employees if ALL/most entry-level positions somehow require experience at the same time?
Aha to be fair they're just doing the same as guys swiping on Tinder. They get so few matches they just message everyone and then check the profiles of those interested.
I always phone HR up and ask what the employer said why I wasnt suitable.
Ah, "The Great Gas lightning" of playing a victim when you are losing control of employees by employees waking up to unfair treatment, right Ken?
Exactly bro
The whole labor relationship is bound to break down sooner or later when employers set goals that are diametrically opposite to the employees’
I was ghosted by a fortune 500 company for 3 weeks. I assume they were trying to get someone else who then bailed. They came back to me after 3 weeks of leaving me in an information vacuum and tried to act like nothing happened. I told them to screw themselves.
@ceciliacole5098 but they can tarnish your name right?? blackballing and stuff hence i am scared to do shit
Redpill me on blackballing in the industry
I went above and beyond for my former employer.
Gave them my weekends, overtime, frequently volunteered to take on extra work.
After I found out a few of my coworkers made (significantly) more than me, and after being BLOCKED from a promotion, I put in my 2 weeks.
All my effort was rewarded by being walked out the following morning. Never again will I sacrifice myself for a company.
3:30
I recall a job where i was on interview #2 before the final. Oh she liked me so much, called me to check in and asked how i was doing. Told me about the first weeks of work and what team of the department i would be on and everything. Week and a half later no response. Not only did they NOT give me an email stating they went with other candidates, she became unreachable herself. After finally getting in touch with someone from the company this time over 2 weeks out they simply said that the positions were now full and i was being processed for another.
I. Never. Got. A. Phone call. Back.
This was 6 years ago.
and they would be the first to bitch if it was done to them. figures.
Oh my goodness the same thing happened to me for am internship when I was 16 years old. This professor referred me because she thought I had talent (I did not apply) and this guy I was supposed to work for made me set up a work email for him and fill out all this info then he became unreachable. This was back before texting and ghosting was not common. I really wondered what the hell that guy’s problem was- a 40 year old man too scared to
tell a 16 year old girl what happened. No loss for me though I didn’t have to work for free.
Yeah I actually despise the not getting back to you thing, especially considering the amount of jobs I've applied for now that demand a custom cover letter on top of a cv, portfolio and QA section. Like if I am being made to spend 30mins to an hour or two applying for your position the least you can do is send an automated email back. Out of the around 30+ jobs that I've applied for recently many of which I got to a part 2 of, only 3 of them got back to me and 1 of them was an acceptance.
I'm so sick of being lectured on "character" by employers that treat you like trash. I've never gotten anything for working extra hard, or sacrificing for my job, Ken. And spare me your anecdotes and hypotheticals about hard work paying off. Maybe it did for someone, somewhere, but it's never happened for me.
I'm the same as Josh. So many times, with so many jobs, I've thought about just not showing up. Or, when at work, just grabbing my stuff and walking out without saying a word. And it has nothing to do with my maturity or character, and everything to do with my employer's. It's because I'm fed up. Fed up with being taken advantage of, manipulated, deceived, etc. I used to sleep in the back of a vehicle for one job for Pete's sake. Because they needed me to do that, not because I needed to do that. I don't even get a raise the whole time I worked there.
Just because it worked out for you, Ken, does not a law maketh.
I feel the same way at times. Hard work just gets you pigeonholed in one position while your lazy coworker with his head up the bosses ass gets a promotion with a huge fucking raise.
I have thought about walking out as well, but there is the rent to pay.
If I ghost a job I’m just saving the manager the hassle of firing me. The job sucks and I’ll be a bad employee. It’s a win-win.
Side note: doing the "childish" thing and walking away is far better for all parties than having an argument.
Ahh yes, someone who has his own recruiters ghosts 99% of their applicants bitching about being ghosted. I genuinely don't understand how some people can be so disconnected from reality.
Well, he is not wrong in principle. Ghosting is terrible behavior. The problem is, like you said, it's recruiters who ghost applicants as a regular business practice, not the other way around.
@@cadcad-jm3pf I don't disagree. Hell, I don't even leave people on read. The only people I ghost are recruiters & shitty employers. The only reason I do is because all of them have done it to me countless times. Get what you give lol
I had a coworker that died over the weekend, they only sent an email. No meeting, not even a blink. This comes from my company with leaders who go to a Christian church actively too. It's so messed up.
Christians that go to church are the worst kind of people.
yep, proof that ppl only care for themselves
It sucks because there are a lot of good christians who mean to do well by God. But there's also so many snakes that slither in and use it for power or to excuse their own actions.
Allegedly go to a Christian Church. Many go just to be seen and all of them are corporations now, anyway.
I get tired of guys like Ken that are always rambling on from one perspective. My wife is an attorney and she had a firm literally bug her to come work for them (she was already working at a firm) which in itself is unprofessional. Her keeping her options open and curious to what they would offer agreed to an interview, once there she immediately knew something was off. They had already found another attorney with more experience and were going to hire them. They bugged her to apply, then wasted her time with a two hour commute and blew her off in the interview process. These clowns don't care unless something is directly affecting them, they talk a good game when they're desperate but then drop you like a hat when they found something better for them. I appreciate videos like this because it shows the truth from the other perspective, there's really something off with the whole interview process, it's definitely one sided on all fronts.
And that's really the crux of all boomer, conservative thought. They are so void of the ability to empathize or put themself in someone else's shoes that they can't fathom things not going the same way that they experienced it.
Unless they experience it, it isn't real to them.
My current job was extremely kind to me. Me giving my 2 weeks was because i knew that the culture allowed it. Plus i wanted to ensure they had my help
You know, most people would do this too if the companies they worked at were kind like your company, and treated people with decency. The thing about people like Ken is they cannot see that their own callousness contributed to this state of affairs. And there are a lot of Kens. Sadly, guys like him lack self awareness and it will take awhile for things to change.
@@Here4TheHeckOfIt Why are we assuming Ken is like a bad employer?
In my oppinion Joshua is right. The corporate world has gotten so used to being at the stronger end when it comes to employment. Some companies and recruiters DO ghost employees and prospective employees all the time. However, tides are turning right now and now they sit at the receiving end and wonder what is going on.
Was about say this lol
I am looking for jobs....A recruiter rejected me two weeks after my interview because he got pissed when I asked him about a response because he was planning to ghost me. He told me to be humble and patience.
@@harisahmad7613 Yepp that is how a lot of them are doing business. The applicant is treated like a petitioner and not like a business partner. There are exemptions though and you need to find them.
Good luck on your job hunt mate.
Yes. I didn't get called back a second week to continue a temp job and the recruiter wouldn't answer an email or phone call about what I did wrong. Being "busy" shouldn't be their excuse for being rude. It's their freaking job.
@@crotchy7667 facts. Companies do this all the time they don’t like pressure which is ironic because they expect the workers to get things done right then and there that minute and get pissy and write them up when they can’t.
Quitting via e-mail the night before a shift is one of life’s most underrated pleasures.
F*ck a two weeks 🖕🏾 ❤️
One minute before the shift starts even better
@Cecilia Cole better to just send the email so they don't start calling your emergency contacts and blowing up your phone from different numbers
I've literally had an employer send me a letter FedEx while I'm on day 3 of missing work due to severe flu to the point where I actively thought my body was dieing. They were aware why I was gone and I called in each day. The letter arrived at my door saying if I did not return by x date (the very next day) they would consider it my "involuntary resignation". F%*$ loyalty.
It's not a matter of loyalty, it's having the common sense of courtesy.
@@seanb6478 Except it's not "common sense" because the courtesy is one way and never returned to the employee.
So walk off bootlicker
I've ghosted people who've abused me. Probably the best way to save myself.
Good strategy. But if they're narcissistic, they may come after you so be careful. They have a vindictive streak and ghosting may cause narcissistic injury.
With recruiters in particular, I've learned to automatically ghost a number of recruiters that seem to be harvesting resumes or asking for way too much personal information upfront. My results with the job hunt have become dramatically better since I started doing that.
If recruiters operate like scammers, treat them like scammers. Nothing wrong about that.
3rd party recruiters are bottom-feeders. They will do anything to place a person even if that person isn't qualified. They will ghost you when their client no longer wants to hire you. They cold message people or message you months after your first interview with them, and have the audacity to ask if you know someone who will be a perfect fit. Like I will do their job for them.
I put in 2 weeks one time after almost a year at a company I really liked. They called me later that night after work and said "don't come back Monday." I was counting on that last 2 weeks pay also.
I now highly consider whether the company has the respect earned to get 2 weeks notice before giving it.
I heard that if you give your two weeks in writing, they have to pay you regardless of whether or not they have you stay
I am still puzzled why they told you not to come. If you did a good job and loved it, any rational employer will keep you working to the last minute, they will hire someone right away and put him to work next to you in order to learn as much as possible
@@beldiman5870 They were "consolidating my position"-- basically giving someone else my job. It was a really small laptop repair company. They're out of business now.
@@beldiman5870 They get the idea in their heads that you're going to spend the next two weeks stealing client information or things from the company. Planting logic bombs or installing backdoors in the servers. Like you couldn't do all that before you put in your two weeks.
It makes no rational sense but that's what they're thinking.
@@gabrielad9029 Not in the U.S.
These companies sound like the person in the relationship whose like 'I'm the one who does the breaking up' not the other way around. They have no problem letting go and moving on when its up to them, but the moment it happens to them, the whole world has to know about it.
I'm 28 and been working since I was 16 and I'm already OVER IT. Treat these companies exactly how they treat you. I'm just a number? Well, you guys are just a paycheck to me.
"Tradition" went out out the window when working stopped providing "Traditional" things like a living wage. Most people are a bad month away from complete DISASTER. That isn't acceptable.
Give a number. How much is a living wage?
@@KennethSee In CA, the minimum should be $50 an hour + $19000 per year for 401k matching, 100% medical, dental, and vision, 8 weeks paid vacation. Or 300 per hour, minimum 2 hours if they don't want to provide benefits.
@@KennethSee depends on the area, but you know this.
@@brettwilson3653 You're dreaming. No business in the world could sustain itself at that rate of pay.
@@ellencox8415 Of course, but no one ever gives a number. The words "living wage" mean nothing until a number is nailed down.
Yeah, my last employer just fired me without notice because I just recovered from covid and couldn't perform well in the first few weeks. I was stupid to thank them, but since then I work freelance, and now I get a job offer and might start next week. Wish you luck bro
You need a lawyer
So you get hired for a new job that pays more, you can start right now and have more money in your pocket come payday, or you can give your current employer a two weeks notice, risk getting fired on the spot, and risk being short two weeks pay at the end of the month.
When an employer fires you it is just the cost of doing business.
Employees stop giving two weeks notices and its immature.
This man's level of disconnect is not surprising considering this is pretty much the attitude of all managerial staff now a days.
This guy is so disconnected from the current reality we live in. A whiney boomer complaining and becoming the very thing he complains about . Thanks for the breakdown Josh. Great video.
Boomer minded genxer
@@ChrisParrishOutdoors he's boomer brainwashed from Dave ramsey
He seems to be about your age
Ken works for Dave and is therefore performing for an audience of one.
He's not even a Boomer, he's an indoctrinated Gen X'er
Ken is such a boomer, doesn't even understand "ghosting".
"would you ghost someone directly in front of you". Um yes. that's where you just walk away from them and don't reply when they yell at you, but I know that's not what Ken meant here.
"you are no longer a person to me, you're a ghost. poof"
No boomer, that's not how "ghosting" works...
Hadn't watched the whole video yet and reading this was extremely funny LMFAO HAHSHSSHH.
A boomer perhaps, but he comes off as a corporate shill. He knows damn well it’s a two way street when it comes to ghosting but he’s only criticizing the employees and the people applying, conveniently saying nothing about recruiters or employers.
Both times I ghosted employers they called the cops on me, which was terrifying. I woke up to either banging on my door or seeing bright flashlights shining through my bedroom window in the early morning. Be prepared for that level of pettiness!
I mean, they might have thought you died or something lol
Damn! Maybe they were worried about you though. Those sound like wellness checks.
Are u a nurse lol that happen to me once lol
It sounds like they may have thought you were in danger
Can you explain more? How in the world that happened? Where were you working?
1. I’m do recruiting on side. 2. I work as an employee. 100% agree with your advice. Recruiters and Companies forget or don’t care about you (I believe it’s the latter). They treat you as a number and that you are replaceable but when you leave on the spot they bitch and wine
People like him don’t want you to “ghost” them because they want the opportunity to gaslight and argue with you. If an employer has already been treating you like crap to the point that you WANT to ghost them, it’s likely they’d continue to treat you like crap.
I’ve been in the business world for nearly 35 years & most people you ask would say I am a consummate professional…and I still don’t agree with the idea that you owe a bad employer an explanation face-to-face.
You sound like an ideal boss
I think most people are professionals. I was professional even while I was being bullied. Many people who ghost were probably burned so I sympathize. One could argue that you shouldn't allow that to affect how you handle things, but the ones who yell the loudest about it are probably the very people who behave unprofessionally.
If the employer was professional and decent, they would be treated in kind. A lot of these guys - bad bosses - lack the self awareness to contemplate that though. Too invested in being defensive instead of being part of the solution.
I just quit my warehouse job for an office job. I gave them a 2 weeks notice and worked the last 2 weeks, and they were very good about me leaving them for a better job.
That's what I want to do. Something in sales preferably
"You wouldn't ghost someone irl, would you?"
I get a sick satisfaction out of watching people react to my irl ghosting
Ken says what goes around comes around, yet fails to realize that applies to workers doing it as well.
almost like Ken’s trying to bend reality to his will
Recruiters treated me like crap. Employers I interviewed with were people who I felt three levels above, parroting things about "core values" and pretending everything was good all of the time. I have zero respect or sympathy for these people. I am still doing my own thing instead.
When a company flashes "their core values" in your face, there is something really suspicious about them. Why does a company need to even have "core values" and "mission statements" after all? A company's ultimate goal is profit, they develop a product, sell it and hopefully they pay their employees well and treat them with respect. That's it. Everything else is pure BS.
We have had 5 employees quit in the past 3 months and they can't get replacements. Upper Management threw a temper tantrum and told the remaining staff that if they don't like working there, then get out.
I plan to do that shortly, so I will be employee #6. Am I going to give 2 weeks notice, no.
What industry do you work in?
Sounds like a toxic environment damn
@@melindagallegan5093 Healthcare. Management knows what the issues are, but will not address it. Instead, they blame the employees and say that they are not a good fit. Which is funny because the departing employees have been there for several years.
@@churchofpos2279 I believe the healthcare system needs to be completely revamped I’m afraid. I am suffering with side effect/medical conditions as a result of over medication over the years.
WOW - just WOW! It seems to be a trend now a days. I just experienced a few weeks of basically receiving the same message from a company where I was being trained for a position. I have one more week of my two week notice to complete.
Does he also tell bosses that they should stop acting like children and that they won't get away with mistreating people?
all these dave ramsey followers are scared sheep and would never talk back to their leader.
I wish people were more upfront about stuff as well. I was just pointing out this man's bias.
Ken is one of those middle-mgmt types who doesnt actually take his employees need's and skillsets into account
@@korratheaustralianshepherd5804 exactly, he is one of those company men who will try to squeeze sand out of water and slave driver his underlings to impress the client and bosses. and if something goes wrong, he will blame you.
@@Buildxbeyond Easy to talk big online when your livelihood doesn’t depend on it. I’m 100% in favor of telling bad bosses and employers to go fuck themselves, but I don’t blame people who don’t want to lose their jobs, and I don’t call them children who can’t stand up for themselves. Tough talk from someone who’s probably on the internet 24/7 huh buddy?
I've never ghosted an employer, but I've also had fairly good professional relationships with my employers and only quit due to my own changing life circumstances. I've always given at least 2 weeks notice, but that's because there was no ill will between us. If i was disrespected or treated poorly by my employers i would not see any moral issue with ghosting them.
Him saying that his ex-girlfriend was literaly sobbing with "crocodile tears" really made me mad. You can't fake that. I had the same experience. Literal sobbing with snot coming out of my nose and could barely speak because I knew that I was going to hurt this person. News flash, NO ONE LIKE CONFRONTATION KEN!
Also, the fact that he compared a relationship witha romantic partner with a relationship with a company...the US is wild.
No the company wasn't ghosted during the interview process, they just failed the personality test and had to be ignored.
No, the company wasn't ghosted it was kept on hold until we needed jt (similar to all the job candidates kept on hold for months until they are needed).
If companies don't like the heat they shouldn't have started the fire.
At-will employment, you can be terminated at any time with ot without cause. You can also quit at any time with or without cause or notice.
The older you get, the more you realize that you don't need references. There will always be another job. Even if you spent years at a job, you don't need to put them on your resume. If you ghosted them, it's for a good reason.
Yep. The only thing the prospective employers care about nowadays is whether or not you got fired or quit to avoid getting fired. But that doesn't really apply either unless you're going for a more sensitive position like law enforcement or banking.
We don't owe any job anything, especially when they show us they don't deserve it.... they often ghost us too
Yeah, 100% most ghosting happens more from companies than employees. The 2 weeks needs to die, too. If companies don't need to give you 2 weeks to fire you, you don't need to give 2 weeks to quit.
A company I worked for- as in had been working there- ghosted me when they saw my insulin pump poking out of my pants pocket (diabetic.) The boss was staring at it like it was cocaine or heroin. All I said was “it’s not a phone” and the woman pointed out that her husband is diabetic. Next thing I know, they call me up with lies about my shift being cut cuz “it’s slow” and then they never contact me again. I had to show up there with my father to intimidate those tramps into paying me my check.
Finally a little taste for companies in regards to they have done for decades and they complain about the same treatment they imparted upon their empoloyyes. Roads are not one way in a wage labor role. Companies should take heed and understand the ignorance and how abusive they have been in the last 40 years through destroying families, relationships, lives, health and overall just human”hood”. Perhaps be okay with the same or maybe not bowing to shareholders but disregard the rest of the world
You have to respect a man who actually wears the sweaters his grandma buys him.
well, real life ghosting is a thing, happened to my partner. Went through interviews, tests, everything was aok and then they flew her over 3 countries (Europe), to meet the team and all (flight and hotel paid btw), made her wait for an hour and then promptly said that she's not what they're looking for and ... that was that.
If they actually told her then she wasn’t ghosted. What surprises me is that they expended that level of resources on her when they hadn’t made a final decision. The position must have been very important to them, and I would have been crushed to have not gotten it after all of that.
It’s pathetic how when the candidate or employee decides to play the same game that the recruiters/ employers start to whine and cry about it.
Did you see the millionaire actually weeping at the prospect of GASP! paying taxes?
What they mean by "take it or leave it" is take it or I'm going to blame my inability to hire people on nobody wanting to work anymore.
The number of times I’ve heard someone say “nobody wants to work anymore” in reference to minimum wage jobs, and then they say that anybody not happy with minimum wage should get some ambition and skills and find a job that pays more.
this guy makes my eyes roll out of my head
thank you Josh for all you do
My first coding job was very toxic after about two months. I had just brought my pregnant wife 850 miles away and had a year contract for $2k for the moving expenses. Even some of the old timers on the client side said it was the worst they have ever seen. I was completely honest with the client as to me leaving two weeks early but informed my boss only five days before I left. He was pissed. I got my reference from the client. I did the exit interview form and raked them over the coals. No regrets.
I interviewed with a job not too long ago. The process was crazy first a phone briefing, then a virtual video interview, then another phone interview, then another virtual interview, finally i was supposed to do one last virtual interview one last time with the last person and her boss. I said f it another job had called me the same day thank God.
That recruiter hired me on the spot given it was for a temp position lol buuuut both were for customer service (call center) positions.
regarding customer service jobs: YOU EITHER WANT TO HIRE ME AS YOUR COMPANY"S PUNCHING BAG OR YOU DON"T. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SO TEDIOUS.
at least i sent them an email to let them know not to contact me anymore it felt good.
Did you offer them the constructive criticism and advise them that their interview process was too long and tedious and that another company gained you as an employee because its hiring process was easier and shorter?
all of those only for temp position??? what's wrong with recruiters
@@KevinSmith-gu7fb why help out the company with that shitty recruitment process? Give them nothing.
@@TheFranke100 The point isn't so much to help the company as much as it is help future candidates to not have to go through the same boring, pointless process, but regardless, everybody wins.
@@KevinSmith-gu7fb I can see that point of view but I'd rather that people would cut ties before wasting too much of their time on such a lengthy process, especially thinking about the position being offered. No idea how the job situation is in the US though - If you need a job desparately you might have to accept that you can be met by a process such as this and then giving feedback to the company is a kind thing to do for future candidates but it won't help you (the one who met this tiring process).
Everybody wins but the candidates that already had to go through this.
Let's all message to Ken and see if he will reply to EVERYONE. if he won't, then he's just another hypocrite
Yes! 🤣🤣
Grow up
You are exactly right Josh. Conflict is very difficult for some of us to directly engage in because we cannot articulate what we want to articulate in the heat of the moment, especially when all your boss or manager are going to do is just belittle your complaints as usual. We just need time to think to lay out the entire situation instead of getting thrown off balance in the moment and not even getting the time you need to explain what the problem is. Bringing everything face to face with an employer only works if you employer even bothers to let you speak and bothers to actually comprehend what you say instead of writing your concerns off. We're all human. To be unable to see that the way you are running a company is making your workers miserable, or to see it and ignore it, is just ridiculous and not worth the extra effort on our end to do things the way you want when we've literally been doing things the way you want the entire time we've been employed.
I remember getting ghosted in the middle of the hiring process. I applied, did the interview, was told I got it and just needed to wait for a call for the background check. Never heard from them. When I called, I got the run around. It's gross. I was a teenager and excited to get a job and they completely ghosted me instead of just telling me straight up I didn't get it. Truly disgusting.
I've lost count of how many code challenges I've submitted to recruiters and never heard any feedback. Often I'd spend half of a Sunday working hard on those line codes. A recruiter once told me they have KPIs, aka, they're forced by companies to go over X number of candidates for each position, and "there was no way to read all the code submissions".. WHY DID YOU ASK THEN?? My policy now is: wanna test my code skills? Lets do a 1x1 interview then. Great video Josh!
H1B visas.
They have to "prove" that they need to import foreign labor, so they do this ridiculous bullshit "See? None of the American applicants are good enough, sowe have to hire a foreigner at 1/3rd the salary"
Wow, that is terrible.
If ghosting somebody shows a lack of character, then what does that say about the hundreds of companies that effectively ghost every single applicant they interview but do not hire. It's routine practice for a company to take the attitude without explicitly saying so of "If we don't contact you we've likely selected a different applicant." It is uncommon for them to send an email let alone a phone call.
You tell them Josh. I'm doing my part by making my old boss's life hard. Who is not a boss anymore. Now he hears everything I have to say everyday. And we constantly remind him as to how he used to make our lives a living hell. And he used to be just like us too, so this was a betrayal like no other. But now that he is back to our level, he will never live it down.
The traditional advice to avoid burning bridges is nowadays only important to those in either very niche career fields or career fields that tend to require alot of lateral moves to advance, i.e. those where broad experience is more valued than specialized experience. In fact it's probably the most applicable to middle management hoping to advance into upper management, whether that's even a possibility though is very situational. It could also affect people in career fields where managers tend to move around alot to different companies, a mix between my first two suggestions, since you very well could run into those managers again. For the majority of the workforce bridges don't matter though for sure.
I spent a week doing an art test for a high profile game company, only for them to ghost me entirely. I had to find out what happened from a friend that worked there. This is just 1 of MANY ghostings!
Well call me a child then, I am fully frustrated and fed up with companies ghosting me after trying really hard to get the job.
Okay. I’m a boomer, but I previously worked as management for a government agency. The agency I went to encouraged us to take training. Thus, I know that for the past 20+ years, statistics show that the majority of people leave their jobs due to their direct supervisor, then working environment, etc. Bottom of the list was pay, but no where on that list was it I just want to leave for no reason or because I’m a baby. Personally, I saw a huge change in working attitude when Gen X or young people watched their loved ones: parents, aunts, uncles, etc lose their pensions and jobs for companies they had worked over 20+ years for.
I told everyone at the time capitalist have just shown employees that loyalty only goes one way. All those people from Southwest and other places who worked for their pensions and gave up greater pay for benefits, can not get their years back and now have to start all over with nothing. There were all these venture capitalists or etc who were buying companies, raiding pensions, and dissolving companies. I also told them that sending all these jobs overseas, for a cheaper workforce, also insured that it would come back to bite the companies. Because it would get rid of their customers, 100,000s of people without jobs can only live off credit for awhile, lower wages here and set up a system where their own employees couldn’t afford their product.
I never realized that we would get to the point that we even shipped out jobs for necessities so that we couldn’t even ingredients for medicine, or simple supplies like masks. It’s unreal how these corporations and the top 10% are not taking any responsibility for our current situation and looking for ways to blame employees.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned as a worker it’s that being honest never works. I actually got denied a job all because I told the employer that I had Social anxiety and panic disorder. I told em I wouldn’t be an issue especially sense I was gonna be working in a bunny suit all day inside a clean room so I felt safer somehow. Anyways I’ve been honest 3 times how 2 times I was denied a job and the third time I was fired simply because I asked for a quick break to straighten myself out cuz I was having a panic attack.
Ken has a forceful personality. He enjoys having status and control. Thats why he identifies with the power side - the company, not the worker. And thats why he's so upset by all of this. His world is completely shook by the idea that some average little peon could quietly leave. By taking the initiative to quietly leave, that peon has disregarded the company's (higher) status and taken back just a little bit of control. Plus, the peon circumvented any chance the company had at confronting them (i.e. putting them in their place). Its enough to drive anyone with Ken's personality type bonkers. Remember how much he talks about confrontation and devalues anyone who isn't going to sit still for a confrontation?
Did you know that Dave Ramsey doesn’t do the two weeks after you give notice? He says if your mind is out the door he gets your body out as well!!!
Classic Dave.
Hypocrisy at its best
Just found the channel, and ....this.....is....GLORIOUS!!!
So many things I've been telling others and younger people for a while now
Was working at railways station as an automation worker. After few years of work, no progress no opportunities to make a career or at least earn more money, I've told my boss that at first opportunity I'll leave. And for 3 years I reminded that to him. No actions was made. Other automation positions were bad too, so I've learned to code and left. There are increasing lack of electrical engineers in my country but factories and other companies still offer very bad positions. So I just tell young people not to bother with studying EE.
What's up with this college girlfriend? Like what kind of narcissist do you have to be to assume a woman would flame you so many years later? It was pretty clear that she had remorse for breaking up but he acts like she's some unfeeling succubus. She literally did what he wants and is now getting dragged for stepping up to the confrontation. Maybe she cried because she was scared he'd hold a grudge like this for decades! Dodged a freaking bullet if you ask me
I can't remember any of my college breakups. His ego is still hurting all this years later. What middle-aged person thinks of stuff like this? 🤣🤣
I had to dump a guy I wasn’t even dating in high school because I chatted with him on the phone and met him for a movie date once I figured he wouldn’t kill me and then found out the guy was obsessed with me. I totally broke his heart and he tried to “get me back” but I tried to get other girls to take him off my hands- that was actually really scary. Had no clue he was obsessed like that. And my dad and brother told me I was “mean” like I HAD to date this guy even though I was not interested at all and his interest totally creeped me out and he made like I didn’t mean the words I said in plain English- unless I was super nasty about it.
misogyny... I mean, it's extremely common in conservative spheres.
@@TheGrmany69 Not quite as common as judging everyone based on their race, ethnicity, or sexual preferences, as opposed to the content of their character, is in liberal spheres, though.
@@Anonymous-ld7je arnt the libs trying to force ppl to date trans an if u don’t ur transphobic lol
Oh how the turns have tabled
Josh is the best! You are so enlightened and I appreciate it! Thank you. - Tom in NYC