When I worked at Goodwill I had to give reviews for people making $8.50 so they could get max $0.32 for a raise. It was insane. And I got a phone call when I gave that max amount.
Fast food pays unskilled people better with far less responsibility. World is upside down and another reason industries are having so much trouble hiring and retaining good employees.
In the last 15 years, I've worked jobs ranging from $8 to $200 an hour. There is a very direct correlation with low pay and terrible performance reviews. The lower you are down the ladder, the more they expect of you and the harder they're going to be on you. As someone with blue collar roots and now in a cushy white collar office, I feel a mix of guilt and anger that this is the reality.
I had worked for a cleaning company and the owner promised a rise every 6 months. After 3 years when I asked her about a rise she said “times have changed- no rise”. Two weeks later me and my wife opened own cleaning business and made her a competition. We even get many calls from her clients asking us to do services for them. Glad we did this and now after 11 years we make $180k per year compared to $40k working for her.
As a retired banker, I can honestly say that money is everything in a worker/work place relationship. Whenever a company tries to push the "money isnt everything" line, it is absolutely time to leave.
The fact he gave his notice and said you don't deserve two weeks was in my opinion a BRILLIANT strategy. By saying that and pissing the other guy off to basically fire him, He played that "boss" right into his hands. Now the job has to pay unemployment!
While each state is different, I suspect Georgia's unemployment compensation act isn't much different from Texas'. If that's the case, an employee who is fired is not automatically entitled to unemployment benefits absent mitigating or extraordinary circumstances. I say this as a former Texas Workforce Commission account examiner.
@@CaesarInVa why would you suspect GA is the same as TX just because you worked in TX? That makes no sense at all. Every state holds pretty similarly that if you were fired without just cause you are eligible to file. Whether or not a commissioner agrees is another thing entirely. VA is the same way even as a right-to-work state.
PA has very liberal unemployment-as liberal as you will find anywhere-but it will only pay up to the notice date he gave if the boss fires him early, and only if the boss couldn't demonstrate "willful misconduct" on behalf of the employee. As soon as it gets to the date originally given it becomes a quit again and then the quit has to be demonstrated by the employee as "necessitous and compelling". Generally, a bad performance review isn't going to qualify as that. But fun fact: incompetence is not willful misconduct, and differentiating willful misconduct from incompetence is almost impossible without some sort pf admission from the employee. So if you make a "mistake" that is ostensibly due to incompetence, cost your employer a ton of money, and get fired for it? You'll still get your unemployment.
Couldn’t have said it better….and always add more money to what you make in your current job in your new interview….if your making 14 tell them your making 16…then if they are a decent company there gonna add to that to get you .. they very well could say “ well start you at 17…you just gave yourself a 3 raise.
Kinda like marriage in the sense it is mutual. If they are loyal to you... by all means be loyal to them. Of course, if they aren't, don't be loyal to them.
I never give a 2 week notice. I just quit at the end of a pay cycle. Companies don't give you a 2 week notice if they fire you or lay you off , it's instantaneous. So I give them the same courtesy. And the look of surprise and anger on their faces is heart warming to me.
I quit without notice only when the company has been bad. If I'm just moving on for better pay, I'll give notice. And it's a good thing, I've worked for the same companies 3 times in some cases. But my pay goes way up each time.
depends on state/country. In the USA there are 'right to work' states that allow a company to fire someone immediatly. In turn the employee can quit at any time without notice. (right to fire would be a more accurate description) But most states have the famous minimum two week notice. (In my country it's based on how long you work for the company. f.e. more than 2 years -> 6 weeks, more than 8 years -> 3 months)
@@Robbedem In the US, any employee can quit at any time without notice. 2 weeks isn't required, and only employees with contracts can't quit without notice (without risking a lawsuit), but companies also can't fire those contract employees based on right to work laws. In the US, large companies have to give layoff notices and pay unemployment for downsizing, regardless of state laws
15 years as an RN has taught me that the puppets are promoted. And they know it. The worker-bees, and brains of the organization, and the team-players are all “evaluated” by the nurses that don’t do, or know, sh*t.
I found that directors promote employees that make them look good and their job easier. Translation: the employee will never let blame get back to director, the employee will manage the same way the director does.
Saying that “we trained you when you knew nothing” would be the relationship equivalent of “you were nothing before me”. And most people would classify a spouse like that as an abusive one. People like this are the worst.
The best advice I ever got from a job I hated, was "Your salary is negotiated during the hiring process". Never rely on promises of better pay later, you won't get it.
@@ReverseTranscriptase nothing is "free market" USA has alot of economic controls . rules, laws, judges ect....especially a 2 tier economy, with a bachelor degree = $60000/year... without = $14/hr....no company EVER break that "POLICY"... all "good" jobs REQUIRE A DEGREE EVEN IN SOMETHING STUPID LIKE GYMNASTICS ECT..
This is true. Get it before you start. Don’t count on any deal in the future (some places will follow through but things can change so don’t plan on it being a sure thing) If you’re not happy with your job or pay you should be looking for offers from other employers.
I recorded my HR lying to me. Waited 6 months and asked for a meeting with the big boss and HR. HR proceeded to lie and say she had no idea what i was talking about. I played the tape. She flipped out! I was sent home and 2 hours later a courier showed up at my house with a letter saying the company "Accepts my resignation" and i was banned from the property. I didn't quit.......
All depends on if the recording was legal, if it's an instance of an online meeting it is treated the same as in person in a closed office. Make sure your state is not 2 party consent for recording
A friend of mine was told at his annual review how great he was doing and they were totally pleased with his work. Then they cut his pay. My friend wasn't there much longer.
I was told I was a model employee after 4 years and gave like a 25cent raise.... I support 5 kids and a Wife on my wages alone, that's the only yearly review I ever had.
My last boss refused REFUSED to put anything in writing because of this. I started “forgetting” things she told me. Always got frustrated but never put things in writing. Worst boss ever.
I was promised a 90-day review....took place 19 months later! Also told no raise, I had out performed EVERYONE of my peers. Made the owners nearly $1M in net profit during that time (not revenue, actual profits). Lost all drive for the job. Ended up over stressed and in the hospital. Not worth it, folks.
Sorry that happened to you!!! Nothing is worth your mental health and peace. These employers will run you into the ground and not care about your health deteriorating!
Same... My counter part and I managed all the contracts for 500m in revenue. 60 hours a week. Friend and coworker committed suicide and then I just broke down. The company forced me to time off work and therapy then fired me.
Especially when during that review, the boss says he wants you to do your job and another employee's job as of date, then this review's possible pay raise will be revisited at a future review if you do both jobs excellently. Translation: the promised pay (you were told at your hire) has been a dangled carrot. You are never going to get any pay raise. But, as of date, you will be required to do double the work for your current pay.
@@PatrickBaptist-vv2bgbro, customers are absolute HELL to speak to, was at a supermarket for a week, didnt know some stuff and got yelled at by these old crooks, the younger ones were more tolerable
Quiet quitting = lame weak a$$ people and why so many are unemployed later and can’t get another job because they have zero work experience or references.
I agree. As an employee you move in silence. Don't tell your opps what your plans is. Hell he could call up target right now and tell them not to hire you. It's a cut throat world out here. There is no need for anyone to know what your next move is but you. The second he said this isnt a negotiation that was the end of the conversation.
I got a high performance review at a company, and was given a whopping 2.5% raise for the year. My boss at the time even bragged to me that to pull off such a feat he had to lower the raise of other employees in my team. I thanked him for his generosity by leaving
My former team got 15% raise for the team. The entire one, together. So he got 3% and then she got 2% and so on. There was a year I got 6% with the note that I should care a bit more and then I got next year 3% for being really great. It was totally random.
@@ZombieNationLTD Inflation is assumed 3% year over year, so I really took a .5% cut. Instead I regularly get 20% raises every two years because I'll just take what I've learned and re-apply for a new position at a competitor. Went from being a janitor to being comfortably within 6 figures with no degree/certs. Not as a brag but as proof that staying with the same company just isn't profitable long term unless they treat you better than tiny raises year over year
Yeh...that sounds familiar. But knowing how budgets work it is true. Each dept gets a pot with a finite amount of $ allitted for annual raises. They divvy it up accordingly. So it happens that they do "regulate" how many employees they give stellar reviews to, cause they cannit give everyone a high score or the pot is depleted.
@@Gypsygirl9 hiring and firing are totally different budgets. For example giving me a joke raise and letting me go will cost the company 10x more than giving me a decent raise. If I go, they have to train the next person and also probably pay more money from the "hiring budget", more than my raise would have been from the "working budget". If you're also pissing off top performers and they leave just like the commenter said, then the price would be even higher.
A couple of months ago, my company dropped 2 people off of my concrete crew and told me my guys would just have to "replace them with more effort." I told them more effort cost more money. They didn't want to hear that, so we turned in shit numbers for the next week. At the Monday morning meeting I told them again, extra effort costs extra money. After a week they gave me a raise, by the end of the month my whole crew got a raise, and turns out they were right, we didn't need those 2 guys, we just needed the company to pay what they weigh. My point is, don't do a bit of work they're not paying you for, if they want to add burdens to your back, they gotta add dollars to your bank.
@thenoobreturnz8968 they could have, and I could have found another job 5 minutes after they replaced me. My trade is in high demand in my area, gives us some extra room to bargain with.
I worked for a company for a year. During that year because of my qualifications and certs I was given more and more responsibilities and put into more skilled positions without a pay increase. The job was dangeous too. After a year I went to the supervisor to discuss a raise and he just said 'no'. I asked him if he was sure and he was so I got up, shook his hand and thanked him for the job and quit right there. He looked like someone just sucker-punched him in the chest and couldn't believe I was quitting. They screwed themselves because I couldn't be easily replaced especially on such short notice and they were on a MAJOR project (Seattle Tunnel Project). I felt pretty good not having to go back the next day. The project manager kept calling me for a week and I just ignored them. Get what you're worth
Awesome! I 💯 bet there was a firestorm of emails, phone calls and Skype meetings with corporate over this. It's so surprising seeing these people panic 😆
I almost feel bad for business owners/managers who think that things are “going to back to normal” - this is the new normal. No one is going to ever again work for less. People will forever act their wage from here on out. The ones that don’t are going to be burnt out … and good for the public because businesses that treat people like this deserve to fail.
it is true, workers have far more power now. BUT dont let your guard down, keep investing keep buying undervalued cheap stocks. Money that goes up automatically
I would happily work at (almost) any wage as long as I feel like the company is honest about it, and they treat me like what I am, instead of what their imaginary best-case-scenario worker would be. If you want me to make 15 an hour, but expect a 20 an hour work result out of me, we're *eventually* gonna have problems. If you want me to make 15 an hour, but afford me the equivalent amount of leniency for such a low position, say, *hire extra workers so I'm not overworked into exhaustion,* then absolutely I'll keep working for you.
Why do you think this hasn't always been the case? The boss knows you're slacking and you get paid what you're worth. Don't be shocked when some people blow past you by doing more than their fair share..
Employee's have to remember, a performance review meeting is not only reviewing your performance as an employee, you should be reviewing the companies performance as an employer!
@@takentimes8903 Nope I don't get paid to evaluate my employer. If they want me to evaluate them then they need to pay me for it. If I hear BS from them though, I will point it out. If I dont like what they offer me I will let them know and if need be go look elsewhere.
@@RA_84_A More than likely they do not care. Until you have done your own review and found that the companies performance is lacking, leading you to finding another job and handing in your notice. Then they may care a little, only because they may have to find your replacement.
@@GladeSwope Why can't it be so in a not perfect world? You do your review, as they are doing theirs of your performance. You don't tell them you are also conducting a review, you do it in silence. You find them lacking, but you don't bother to tell them about it. That would be a mistake. You don't want them letting you go before you hand in your notice. What you do is resolve yourself that you are now looking for a new job, and start your hunt. You find your new job, get the details sorted and sign on, then hand in your notice cold and calm at the job you found lacking. They will more than likely be caught off guard by your move, sure they may not care at all, but they may very well have to scramble to hire your replacement. Hiring staff costs companies a lot of time and money. If they don't hire your replacement quickly, they will burn out their other staff. Ever notice at a company, people quitting tends to go in waves? One or two people go, they are not replaced quickly enough with good enough workers, everyone else has to pick-up the slack. More workers get annoyed at that, and they too find other jobs and quick. Snowball effect. That hurts companies a lot more than they let on. All the while you moved on, probably got a pay raise while your at it, and your getting on with your life.
I love Joshua Fluke. However, as a Mexican living in Mexico, watching his videos are harmful. Asking for a fair wage in Mexico, is the type of thing that will get you blacklisted when applying to other jobs.
Same thing happened to me. They promised a $1 raise after 90 days. I asked for the meeting because they didn’t schedule it. When I asked my boss about it she said the hiring manager didn’t remember saying that. She told me next time to get it in writing. So apparently their word means nothing. I quit and joined the army. This was almost 20 years ago.
"I want you to do the work of two people" "That's cool, I need to be paid the wage of two people" "We can't do that at this time" "I can't do that at this time"
i did the work of two people's jobs for a year then on my performance review: "needs to do extra out of the box thinking" - the boss took all the credit for my work.
@@janibeg3247 my husband was fighting for a promotion - he developed a script that basically automatized most of the office work. When he brought it up to his manager, the guy told him the script sucks ("doesnt meet the requirements to be implemented"), refused him the promotion, gave the position to his college-level nephew and then took all the credit for the script...
The "employee evaluation" process is ONLY about keeping the employee insecure, unbalanced and desperate. It is NEVER about rewarding good performance with higher wages.
At a properly ran store, it is about rewarding. The store I worked at rarely, if ever, did not give the employee a raise after 90 days. Reason being, the employees that wouldn't have gotten the raise either quit or were fired before those 90 days. And it took something serious to get fired (Coming in high or drunk on multiple occassions, being found doing drugs or drinking on company property, lighting up a joint on the property minutes after your interview and being hired and yes, all this happened). Our company had a raise rate printed out for giving raises on evaluations post 90 days. Employees would get them every 6 months. The first 6 months would be for "Ok, here is where you are at and here is where we'd like you to be" then the one for the second 6 months would be for the raise. On the second evaluation, how well you scored determined how big of a raise you'd get. The only way you wouldn't get a raise is if you scored well below satisfactory and at that point, you should also be concerned about keeping your job. In my time with them, no one scored below satisfactory that wasn't fired for some drug or alchohol issue.
Unless you're the type who can manage a solid stare back at your employer while they deliver your performance evaluation, I would have to agree with you. Unfortunately, I can make my own boss squirm in his seat.
The employee reviews I conducted were for nurses, therapists, etc. Most the time there were problems and we used this to address them. As crazy as it sounds a LOT of grown medically licensed professionals at least where I am are bad workers, feel entitled and are flat out lazy. Performance reviews for the good ones went great and highlighted their attributes and I always fought for as big a raise I could get them but corporate controls that not me. The problem employees we used this as a "get it together or your gone" kind of thing because in reality you do have to have those conversations. Also always give every employee a copy of this eval thats crazy.
I was a painter for a hospital in the past. The direct supervisor and I did not get along so in a yearly review He put me done as doing 0% of my work. I then was called into hr to see what they were going to do to me. This was in the late 80s. I was also union but they would not step in. What they did not know was that every place in that hospital I painted in the last year I put down in a journal every day and got signatures on every work order and area I painted. HR and my boss was shocked. I told them to either change my eval or I was going to sue period and walked out. I overheard as I was walking out HR said do not worry we will take care of it. then they laid off the whole paint department. I got a years pay and did not have to report to unemployment. started my own business and was successful. do not let the work environment run you life.
@@MrRono19 very good question. I treated them like I wanted to be treated. also paid union wages. Told them what needs to be done for the day. if they finished it early and the work was up to the quality I insisted on they went home with full pay for the day. T he problem was most people worked out well for a month or too then started to take advantage of me. I did what I told them I would do when I hired them. I fired them with a smile. out of roughly 100 people I would find maybe 2 that would do the job and do it right. Now I am retired. I retired at 55. The couple of people that worked well now have my business. hope that answers your question
Absolutely spot on - if you have any skill that's needed in the marketplace you can sell it direct to the market without needing to go through an employer.
I did 10 years at Motorola and parted company with them just a hair before they went out of business (yes Motorola is out of business). The so called performance review was a tool to belittle, reduce wages and inject insecurity. I saw those corporate rats undermine so many people and I was a victim from day one. They found excuses to give no annual increases and what increases were given were so disconnected with reality that it was breathtaking. THEN they demanded loyalty. I had zero loyalty to them from day one. It was a job and nothing else. I saw internal fiefdoms created and people actually think they were tough because they were a manager. The whole thing was surreal. An absurd dream. The corporate speak was sickening. The buzzwords and sentences were predictable. What is more it seems that the working world is getting worse such that it is impossible to have a job unless you have this silly nonsense shoved at you. Even small businesses are using this garbage it seems.
@@steveymcneckbeard It's impossible in Mexico to get a new job without giving out the names and phone numbers of your previous bosses. They actually don't care whether or not you worked well, they actually want to know if you ever complain about something. If you ever stand up for yourself or asked for a better salary, that makes you unemployable.
The *_corporate speak_* has escalated quickly since back in around 2010. I thought the absolute peak of *corpotyranny* was when I witnessed a factory force nicotine tests for employees, and bar leaving the premises on lunch. My recent experiences, and what I've heard employers say about people getting paid enough to just *_get by,_* has enlightened me.
This is a true story as told to me by my wife. The hardest working guy at her previous place of employment was called into the manager's office for an ... assessment, to wit he was told he wasn't working hard enough. Midway through the manager's bullshit, the chap simply arose from his seat, walked out of the office, went to the changing room, put on his hat and coat, and walked out of the building, never to seen or heard from again. It's the coolest thing I've ever heard, and I simply wish I had been there to witness it. I've since incorporated the technique into my own mindset and behavior, to great effect. God, how I frakking hate work and everything connected to it.
That's exactly how it's done! You dont like my performance then you can do it yourself, it's that simple. These people act like there's not multimillions of jobs in the USA. It like a complaining girlfriend, like there's not millions of other girls to hangout with in the USA than you.
I just got taken off the schedule for my bartending job even though I just started and it was for three weeks and when I emailed prior asking why I’m not on the schedule or if I was still working those days they didn’t respond to me and I decided to write a bad review of my experience there and how they don’t train you or treat you properly and things like how I had no POS number to ring up my customers on my first day off training by myself, etc. and when I went in to ask why I was taken off the schedule without an answer they got really angry with me sending me to the office saying a bunch of things that weren’t true saying how I was an asshole doing no call no show and that I didn’t show up on my day schedule, and when I said to them you took me off the schedule, and when I asked why you didn’t answer me they cut me off and said that I was an asshole because of the bad review I wrote, and that they were trying so hard to delete it and that it was against company policy and I literally looked at them and said I really don’t care. I want to know why I was taken off the schedule and you’re not answering me and they just had that angry look in their eyes saying how I am a terrible person and that you should not include this on your résumé or references, etc. and I was blown away at how stupid this fucking company was my buddy said that I should’ve recorded it for legal reasons and put it on the Internet to expose them but unfortunately I did not have time to pull up my phone and record.
This isn’t s not true. That file, and everything in it s the property of the company. They would be foolish to refuse to supply you with a copy of anything you signed. Of course if you file a lawsuit against the company, the entire file can be subpoenaed.
Yeah I asked for my file and I got back a folder with one page about me that was only my personal information I submitted when I was hired. Clearly they were lying and withheld my information l.
As a Manager myself, at this point, you end that review as quickly as possible and you go to whoever is this guy's boss. Bill is not a Manager. Bill is a narcissist on a power trip. Managers out there... don't be Bill. Your job is to take care of those in your charge, not take advantage of them.
the job to manage is for the effect of maximizing efficiency to profitability . those outdated dinosaurs rarely did more than create environment for what we're seeing as the collapse of the american economy . doing business involves keeping people happy , part of keeping customers happy is incentivizing employees to be at the top of their game to that end . attempting to create an oppressive regime as guise for maintaining wages at unlivabley low levels serves only to satiate a nearsighted low productivity situation which cannot be overcome by the blatant ploy of commissioned sales . encouraging sales staff to attain higher levels of sales technique is rarely achieved by proverbially "whipping the slaves to work harder" consumers are far more astute especially with high technology items and certainly more intuitive discerning pressure sales and outright desperation .
I supervise around 20 employees and I’m always there to listen to them and listen to their and I’m always proud to sign a raise paper. But the one thing I’m proud of most is making sure my employees are taken care of as far as food or drink my employees work in negate degree temps for long periods of times in the winter and high degree days with no shade I make sure my employees have hand warmers and coats and make sure everyone has their gloves but most importantly when we go into downtime make sure they are fed.
this might be true in some places. but never in any place i have ever worked. the fact is, is that in many complanies a manager is given a "budget" that he is able to spend on his dept every year. what remains of that budget at the end of the year becomes their bonus. so you see, they are incentivized to make every excuse to not promote or give raises, and to con their employees into taking on more and more responsibility with no compensation for it because they can give them empty promises of compensation/promotions later if they "do better". all so the manager can earn more on his own bonus.
@@rytramprophet843 I would disagree. A Manager is middle management and is not privy to any sort of overall budget constraints. He/she is given goals to either upkeep or exceed given the market/ region data of the year prior and projection. A Manager is not given an and all/ be all number to work within. If for nothing else, because that number may change quarterly. Sometimes easily. Again, given the business. A Manager's main responsibility is to the employees. A Manager builds the environment in which they run their part of the business. If you're speaking to cost control, efficiency, productivity, etc... in regards to budget, then yes... the Manager has control over those things. It sounds to me like you've worked for companies that over-extended themselves.
Good for you Austin. I'm not sure how old he is but definitely a valuable lesson to be learned. I remember I was about 21 or so, working for Home Depot and had been put in a supervisory position when my Team Lead was fired. I stepped up, took over the role, was well-regarded by the other staff and even the Assistant Managers I worked for. I asked for a meeting with management to include the Store Manager. I prepared, came with substantive, demonstrable examples and presented my case asking for A) an official title and B) compensation commensurate with that role. I was flat out told no by the Store Manager with no perceptible consideration. Not even "we'll look into it" or "we'll see what the budget can tolerate" or "this is a bad time" or some other platitude. Just no. At that point - presented with the "where did I go wrong, how could they not see the logic here", I could feel my eyes welling up and my emotional state deteriorating. I was too invested in the outcome and didn't even consider that it wouldn't go my way. So, before I lost total composure in front of all the store's authoritative figures, I let them know I would no longer be fulfilling that role and that they'd need to find someone else. They found a guy willing to do the work for the same $1 premium we all had from working overnights.
The reason that he does not get fired instantly is that the company actually cannot afford to fire him. They are just hoping that he actually won't quit.
I don't think I could have done the whole two week or one week notice thing. I probably would have told Bill that we cannot come to an agreeable compromise, and I'd have to let him go. Effective immediately.
Theres a psychology aspect to business moves and your employee. Some people literally are non confrontational and will not stand up and speak their mind to people of authority over them. With the other guy quitting and the employer having to do this arbitrary performance review that happened to need to be done. The manager is trying to look good to HIS boss like hey, this guy accepted his training wage and we're theyre gonna fight over picking up xxxxs slack for a raise lmaoooo.
I just accepted a new job with 15k pay increase from my last job. These videos keep me so motivated that I made the right choice. Staying at my last company would have never gave me the pay I needed. Never stop Josh. You motivated this 26 year old to see my value.
I’m in the exact same boat dude! Currently studying for interviews that if l get the job would pay me 15k more than lm currently getting paid, for a software engineer role. Companies need to learn to PAY THEIR STAFF WHAT THEYRE WORTH!
Agreed! It's also worth mentioning if your company matches or surpasses the competition's offer (in salary and responsibility), never accept it. Things will go wrong from there. They will know that you aren't as loyal to the company. Good on you! 🙂
Get into sales guys. You don’t have to deal with people like this as much because you’re paid based on how much you bring in rather than how much some fat desk jockey thinks you should be paid
Yeah, that was a fragile ego lashing out and nothing more, hoping to hurt the guy by dangling what he thought of as a prize. You just know he made it up on the spot.
Accepting a higher position for an increase in pay and getting a raise are two different things. They probably don't feel like his work in his current position could make them any more money like it could in a management position. It is a business after all and their goal is to make MONEY, not coddle you and read you bed time stories
I had a similar situation and knew the confrontation was coming so I started working a part time job in the afternoon at a place I would also like to work. When the day came for my main job to give me a raise after 3 months and my boss said it was going to have to be put off for awhile. I asked how long and he said maybe in the next 3 months. So I stood up and told him I’ll be back in a little while and walked out. I got in my car and drove to the other job and talked to the boss there and told him I wanted to work full time here for this much an hour and I’ll be the best employee you have. The boss at my second job looked at me, smirked and nodded his head and asked when can you start full time. I said tomorrow and he stood up and shook my hand and said he was going to hold me to the best employee part. I then drove back to my other job and walked into my bosses office and laid my work badge on his desk and told him I quit, I found a better job and have a nice life and walked out with a smile on my face. I met my wife at the other job and we’re still married today with 2 wonderful kids.
Reviews are a tool used to lay people off. Period. Companies with revolving doors review their employees multiple times a year. Also, being transparent with HR is like telling your enemy your secrets. You've all been warned!
@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 Absolutely. You're not a child in school anymore. You are a professional. You know how to do your job. Performance reviews have little to do about work. It's about control. Every company I worked for that reviewed employees every quarter (4x a year) had a policy of 2 consecutive bad reviews equals automatic layoff. Also each team was FORCED to give 1 employee a bonus and 1 team member a fail... even if you deserved a bonus! All teams of 2 were forced to rotate who gets the bottom place each quarter to protect themselves.
@@jonathanmarois9009 At my company feedback is sourced anonymously from coworkers, and for points that weren't great, I'm always walking out of those reviews with actual concrete plans how to improve them. It's not performance reviews themselves that suck, it's the companies you chose to work at. Period.
I love the second job part. My first corporate job out of school paid me about $14 an hour - I was handling $3M worth of invoices per week. I wanted to live on my own so I was truly living paycheck-to-paycheck to afford rent/car/phone etc. I decided to take a second job at a nearby restaurant and when my boss found out she called me into her office and said, 'I heard you're taking the job at X, and I can tell you the executive team is going to wonder why our people are working two jobs.' I literally laughed at her - those 'executives' were driving foreign cars, making well into the six figures but the kid making $14 is supposed to accept the $400 a week or so I was making. My response, and the only thing I said, 'I have a college degree, took this job because there was 'upward mobility' but that only means more work, same pay.'
As an owner if I heard one of my managers talk the way Bill did I would fire him on the spot. And performance reviews were the first thing I had our HR cut because they are worthless. Managers should be offering instant feedback from their staff every day because they lead from the front and not the rear. Any manager that needs a performance review to know how the employee is working is not working themselves. Hire ups need to be on the ground with staff because that is how you learn about your customers which in turn can lead to increased sales and revenue for the company. You get too far up in the Ivory Tower you start to forget things. This employee did nothing wrong in the slightest. Glad to see he stood up for himself.
@@robertbolstad9465 if people in personnel/hr genuinely had company's best interest at heart, that in itself would make up for a lot. but most don't. most only seek to feather their own nests. a theory for lesser-competent people in personnel/hr would be "___ is no good in sales department, put them in personnel/hr, they'll at least know what sales department needs for their people, and if they don't wash out completely, we won't have to fire them." it ranks with using customer service as way to haze employees into that company's cushy or actual career jobs. like really, you put customer relations into hands of people you pay minimum wage to 'handle problems' with a 3-5 minute average handle time? and you wonder why people dread calling your company?
I'm working for a union overseas right now, even during the pandemic they didn't do major layoffs or entirely cut salaries. Everyone came back to work when things reopened and while constrained we've all persevered. When you treat people right, they do right. IF they don't, they wouldn't have anyway.
In most companies, performance reviews exist to provide a paper trail, so that if they decide to fire the employee later on, they can use the PR to justify the firing in case the employee applies for unemployment or files a discrimination or harassment lawsuit. THAT is why Bill won't let him get a copy.
I agree on the performance reviews. They are pretty much all crap. They should be discretely measurable or precisely to job duties. IE attendance, etiquette, skill. I had to grade my reports on leadership, cooperation, logical thinking. What constitutes a 4 instead of a 5 on "Logical thinking" for someone who issues invoices? How can I back that up? How can they improve?
This was infuriating and amazing at the same time. I'm having so many flashbacks from my own experiences over my 30+ years of work, and it makes me sick.
@@webguy943 Got a new job I was very qualified for, having had years of all over a restaurant experience, and my manager (first restaurant job) told me in the first week that I "looked like a guy he hated in college". I just said "Well, I sure hope WE can work past that." He, of course, ended up being a nightmare of spite and incompetence.
@@TrainWatcherDon Yeah, that whole humble/grovel confusion seems to be very common in corporate America. I had worked for a company that had very similar views - that we should take all their shit on the chin and thank them for the opportunity to do so. In 2008, they even sent out a memo telling us to do so. 2008 was a BAD year for that company, and for all of us working there at that time. The economy was tanking, and our union contract was being negotiated when everything started crashing down. The company saw the collapsing economy as a way to screw over the union and employees. They tried avoiding ratifying the contract we had already negotiated, but then decided "Fine, we'll just find reasons to fire unionized workers and hire people will to not join the union.." We came in to work one day to find memos taped to our desks (because the company only trusted some of us with access to the internet and emails and printing rights -because they were afraid people would out them and their stupidity.... But then they gave those same people the printed record they needed anyhow..) so, yeah. Anyhow, this memo stated, and I quote "For every one of you in these seats today, just be mindful that there are at least a dozen people banging on our doors, BEGGING for jobs at half the rate. You're not owed a job here." Most of us read the writing on the wall, and began looking elsewhere for jobs (and considering most of us had degrees in the healthcare field, it was stupid of them to assume we had no other options). That company essentially went under and was bought off by their main competitor who shut them down less than a year after they handed out that memo. They went from being a Fortune 50 company to a forgotten relic of the not so distant past.. If only they had been more humble, and not expect us to grovel.
I was once fired from a grocery store, where I was the only cross trained and putting hours into stocking, deli, meat cutting assistant, and seafood. I was also the only teenage employee taking college courses with specific schedule requirements. They didn’t like that. I showed up on my scheduled shift and they said I misread the schedule, missed my shift, and fired me on the spot. What they didn’t know was that there was a schedule copy hung in the meat department office. So I grabbed it and said that they’re either lying or misinformed. They then physically ripped the page out of my hands and said that was company property, and escorted off premises. That was 15 years ago. Since then I’ve been a shift manager, store manager, graduated to become an engineer, worked as an intern and full time salaried employee for many years now. I have NEVER had a positive evaluation resulting in a raise beyond the minimum or average, sometimes no raise at all, no matter how much documentation and reviews I had to show my performance. My current high salary was only achieved by quitting and using experience for higher base pay. There’s always an excuse, even if it’s because one out of the hundreds of assignments you had that year was a day late. I used to be the most loyal and cringy go getters at every company. Typical buttoned up goody white boy that I always hated being. Now I literally don’t give a shit and don’t want to work for anyone. I don’t care to climb the ladder and manage others like I used to. I used to do STEM outreach in classrooms to be a role model for kids and encourage them to chase their dreams. I stopped doing that because I found out there is no dream job… just dread, depression, and tolerance. Now my message to kids is to find a way to have confidence, conquer fear, and do things that make them happy… things I’m trying to figure out for myself.
I realized this after so many broken promises from bosses! The best way to get more money is to get a year experience in your resume then quit and get a much higher pay somewhere else! Don't understand why it's this way?!? They prefer to let their best workers leave just to save a little bit of money!!
I had a review as an engineer and was all set to receive an above average review which meant an above average raise. My review was supposed to be based on the number of projects completed which is an objective number. My boss literally changed the number of projects I completed to less than I actually completed so that I wouldn’t receive an above average review. This resulted in a 2% raise instead of the 5% I should’ve received based on the objective data. So yes, reviews are mostly bull$hit.
Well done video. I’m 54, and this made me think back to many instances where meetings like this went either very well, or sideways. I’ve worked for “Bill” before. His type are trash.
No company is loyal to their employees. Just like every employee is replaceable, every employer is replaceable. Do what's best for you. Always look for better opportunities. Always have options in your pocket and be ready to exercise them.
Yep, and always, always, always actually KNOW what you're worth. You can't afford to either over or under estimate that. The only way to know that is to get out there and interview (it's good to keep the skills up too).
That argument makes no sense. If there is a better employment option somewhere else then go work there. The employer is offering him a certain amount of money to do a specific job. If the guy doesn't feel it's fair to do those tasks for that amount of pay then he can go work somewhere else. Nobody is forcing him to work at that particular business.
Worse, in my view, are the "self" reviews. If you give yourself a good rating, you're arrogant and overstating your performance. If you give yourself a poor rating, you're an admitted underperformer. If you give yourself an average rating, there's no reason to give you a raise. It's lose-lose-lose.
When you give them an ultimatum at work, they'll make sure to mark that down in your "case file" as "threatens and gives ultimatums", or some variation of that. I know that for a fact because I've actually seen some employee reviews at my former workplace.
@@hyena280 Yeah, but the person that gives ultimatums sometimes plans to stay longer, thinking that the ultimatum may work. And it wasn't my review, btw, I just managed... to get my hands on some while looking for mine, let's just say 😆
The moment Bill said, "This is non-negotiable," that's when I would have taken myself to Target or Walmart. Don't ever tell them your plans and don't show loyalty. Especially after they lied to you about a 90 Day Performance Review that basically promised a higher wage. If they're not loyal to you; you have no reason to be loyal to them. My mother always told me "Respect is a two-way street; it goes both ways."
AMEN!! Best advice ever. I wish I would have known that sooner in my work life. Don't ever break your back or, strain your mind & body for a company that doesn't even know your name & replace will you at any second..
Fun story, I was told by a boss at my 1 year review I wouldn't not be getting the promotion and raise that came with it as promised. Said I really didn't do that great of a job, which was a lie I had learned 4 different positions by that time. And get this, she Literally offered me a .07 cent raise. I quit on the spot. Walked out and went to the office and told the president I quit and that my review was bs. They even called me a few times trying to get me to come back 😆
I did the same brother, they made me do 2 extra tasks, each worth an extra dollar an hour. When I asked for a raise, was told no, walked out on the spot. I'm not doing more for something I'm not paid for and you just said I wasn't worth my value and I was "overpaid." Meanwhile my previous job paid me 19 dollars an hour, they were paying me 11 and I was cool with 13. I'm currently about to make 20+ an hour not even a year later but they didn't get it. I also work from home instead of doing all the heavy ass lifting they required which would easily damage your body.
I have learned after many instances just like this one throughout my career, that you should never be nice when this type of dialogue begins with management. Get angry, curse, and get in their face. Scare them, and then tell them to f off. I have never regretted that when i did it. However i have always regretted allowing employers to treat me harshly. I wish i never allowed that.
"I have pulled money out of my own wallet for people and their families, so yeah, I am a caring individual" As someone who grew up with a narcissist in the family, they always jump at the chance to bring up good deeds they've done in the past and how 'good' of a person they are, as if it justifies their shitty behaviour. Good rule of thumb, if someone has to remind you that they're a good person, they're probably not.
@@jneusbaum3697 I used to be a soft touch for beggars. Then I saw one go 'off shift' and climb into a BMW. Now I know there's people who actually need the money, but there's also vermin like that flat-out exploiting compassion.
Can we have a rule? 'You Must Be In X Tax Bracket to have the "Money Isn't everything" 'chat. No one in that room is in the bracket to be having that chat. Seriously.
@@asiabrew81 I would disagree im not wealth and definitely have taken pay cuts to keep in a happy job. For example, I was running the firearm section for a few years. One day off making bank fr. But I hated it. Now I make way less, honestly just enough to afford my life, however the job I have now is far more valuable to me than the extra money I would of had. I instruct jiujitsu full time. So I would say money isn’t everything. My TIME is.
If Ga is anything like NC (where I’m from), it’s a “right to work” state. You only be as loyal to the job as they are to you. If money is an issue, find a better paying job and leave. You don’t owe that current employer an explanation (any more than they owe you one when they tell you to “kick rocks” or “pound sand”). Btw, there’s no reason to bullshit with these employers. Bill sounds like a manager I dealt with in the past. Only difference is I let my 2-week notice do the talking.
No bullshit I was in a eerily similar situation . Had my performance review . I outperformed the big boss so my review was average . Literally people will become physically sick. Managers are often inept at their job. They need to justify their existence When I laughed at my review my former employer said “ this is not a laughing matter . This is your review which doesn’t look good “ So this was my response “ it is laughable because I know more than you and that’s offensive to you. You don’t want to look bad so you will come up with a way to control How others see me . In addition as of this very moment I no longer work for the company “ This is what my boss replied “ Dude you have to give 2 week notice . “ Me : “ no I actually don’t . State and federal law does not specifically state this . Plus if you fire me will You give me 2 weeks notice ?” Not only did I walk out, I got in my 72 vette did the biggest burnout in the staff parking lot and never looked back
I had an area supervisor position for a security company and I was being paid $13.75/hour. I had four sites under my control and I had to drive 120 miles to hit all four of them. On my own gas. On my own time. I was offered a position with another company, armed, driving a company vehicle, for $15/hour. I turned them down to remain loyal to the first company. And I ended up being “asked to resign in lieu of termination” about two or three months later because I was being sexually harassed by an employee. NEVER REMAIN LOYAL TO A COMPANY THAT WONT BE LOYAL TO YOU!!!
But how would you know they weren’t gonna be Loyal you UNTIL IT HAPPENED?!? Like this case he didn’t know how scummy they were UNTIL AFTER HE TURNED DOWN A BETTER JOB! So do you mean ……BE LOYAL TO NO JOB OR COMPANY?!? Yes that would make sense. Cuz the other way you stated makes no sense. Any moron wouldn’t keep being loyal after being crapped on I WOULD HOPE….. then again many will keep doing that cuz…..issues
@@puggirl415 Agreed! That and they will have to explain why they are firing you instead of the person sexually harassing you. Go to the EEOC, social media, the news, etc. Put pressure on them
This kind of nonsense happens in all fields. I'm a mechanic and, right now, the market is very good for us. Worked for a large corporate chain, being paid somewhat less than I was worth. Went looking around, lined up an interview, guy offered me 150% of what I was making on the spot. Went in to work the next day asked to talk to my boss, didn't tell him anything about the job offer but was like "look, all these shops are hiring at X and you're paying me Y. What can you do?" Boss kind of laughs and says "we can't get anywhere near that." Put in my 2 weeks on the spot. All these companies out there saying they can't keep people, this is why.
I left a job in 2021 after being loyal for 12 years. They gave everyone a cost of living increase except for management. Some of the people I was managing were making more than me even though I also filled in doing the same jobs as needed. I left and got a $3 increase by changing companies.
This happened to me in the U.K. I took a job with the guarantee that my salary would increase after successfully passing 3 months probation. When it came to my 3 month appraisal my manager said she was going to extend my probation because she hadn’t seen enough of my work to put me through. She had basically left me 2 weeks after I started to fend on my own while she went on vacation. I made a formal complaint and she was sacked within weeks. Apparently a lot of previous evidence against her with HR. I’m still with the company 14 years later. Stand your ground guys!
Bill's whole vibe really says it all. He's so tight about not even $1k of backpay bc it's not about the money, it's about putting dude "in his place". He legit took being called out and questioned as a personal attack.
It's the Godfather thing: They keep saying nothing is personal, it's strictly business. Yet everything involving business or bad news is perceived and acted upon as being insanely personal, because they're the ones in the driver's seat. It's a human mask that serves the purpose of disarming the employee, but also to give the one wearing it a sense of control and right-being no matter how often they lie or how callously they treat others.
Well its a cycle of abuse you know, when the submitter called him out he kinda threatened his ability to do his job. Which the manager has probably had to put up with the same gaslighting he is thrusting onto his employees to even get to. The middle manager's only real consolidation prize for having to put up with this cycle of abuse is the power trip. The dude is literally just too old and trapped by his own preconceptions so he is threatened by this new employee shining a light on how deeply sad this life he has chosen to live is.
If Josh’s channel, and this kind of material had been around in my 20s, I would be so much richer today. Youngsters are very lucky to have channels like this to learn from . Thanks for sharing the audio!
@@ColtonSpace Everyone needs to learn by themselves. I went to University for 3 years and didn’t learn anything relevant to my job. I learnt everything I needed to AFTER I started working. Then in 2016 onwards, I learnt more in the last 5 years on TH-cam and online courses than my entire life up to that point. The education system is dead, it’s just going to take a few more years for parents, teachers and lecturers to realise it.
@@thebritishindian1 I completely believe you. Just getting a foundation to build your knowledge shouldn't include everything you don't need to know plus 50-100k of unforgivable student debt. Or whatever it is.
I've found "job reviews" to be insulting in general. You could be knocking it out day after day and there is no way an employer would acknowledge it. They can't. It's not in their interest to openly document your actual performance.
@@mariolee9449 I’ve done this hated it because I was getting my masters and I was working 12 hours at a store I wanted my time off they try to bribe and satisfy me to do more work due to their incompetence. Stay away from companies like this !
Back in the day, in my country becoming an accountant required university degree (bachelor or master) and one of my friends eventually became an accountant in a large European corpo. And one day she mentioned, almost crying that she wants a raise, but she doesn't know what to put in the self-assessment (prior to performance review) to justify the request. She said that people declare that they will "improve" and "make less accounting mistakes", and there I was sitting, thinking "What if someone is crazy autistic and pedantic and makes no mistakes? Do they have to declare, they will make less than 0 mistakes in the next quarter?". It's bullshit, you just do what you gotta do and give it your 100%, the employer already has a reason to give you a raise, it's called "wanting to keep you hired".
@@mac1991seth Did your friend get the promotion. It's heartbreaking that jobs cause people to cry. It should be as simple as exchanging your time for money.
Heard almost exactly the same spill myself. That's when it's time to look at other options, I won't work for a liar, it never works out good, it showers a complete lack of character. Gotta say though I'd be really tempted to tell the manager to quit pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
Unfortunately, you can never come back from this. After being in the corporate environment for 30 years, it doesn’t make a difference if you are good or bad at your job. It is if they like you or not. Performance is usually secondary. There is not much respect for staff. Everyone is replaceable and people don’t care if you are the most productive.
Although I agree with most of what you said, I don't think managers necessarily don't value the work of employees, they may not understand the amount of work. Good managers understand the work being done, and can appreciate the value of it. How can you possibly accurately address whether or not someone is good at their job if you are not intimately familiar with the work they do. This manager is clearly not valuing the work being done, either through not understanding the work being done or trying to squeeze as much blood from that stone.
This has been my experiences.Screw corporate & the wo/man I like to bust ass & provide quality & quantity. Management straight up lies about raises & straight up has told me that I'm replaceable. All I could do is agree & remind them that everyone is replaceable, what's that got to do with being dishonest about a raise? Sometimes a guy is better off working directly for the owner of a smaller outfit. They tend to appriciate the work a person puts in. You gotta watch out for the crazies. The guy who lost an arm or an eye, sacraficed it for his business & expects you to make the same sacrafice! I could tell some stories!
Apathy is the entire problem. Worker oppression leads to revolution, An undereducated massive underclass does not choose its charismatic leaders so well. Trust fund kids gonna wreck the ship and hog the life rafts while you shrug your shoulders.
Yes. Everyone is replaceable. IF you don't like it, quit. I'll hire a guy from india for half your wage. lmao. This is the problem with your generation. All you think about is moneymoneymoney, mememe. No. YOU don't get to decide what WE pay you.
@@litrogue6328 yes we do that's why alot of these jobs is being closed down and sued. My boss tried to cut my salary in half because me and my girlfriend live in a rent subsided appartment. and I had to quit then threatened to rob my boss if he didn't pay me the money he owed me. Lucky he was smart enough and paid because I would of robbed and killed him if he did not
One time, my supervisor asked me to do the job of a lead that was out sick that day and I told him that's not my job and he got upset. I flipped the script and asked him if he would do the job of the CEO for the same pay as he's making now and he wouldn't answer me.
1then you say "then do the job you were asking me to do, it wouldn't be a problem because if you are willing to do a CEO job, then you can do this job which is principle lower than the level of a CEO"
@@SpareSomeChange8080 yeah Employment Insurance (EI) so if you get let go or leave a job due to something that isn’t a big part of the job or is unsafe and employers say it’s your job you file claiming
@@SpareSomeChange8080 It depends on the particular state law and circumstances. You can always collect unemployment payments if your boss lays you off for any reason. If you get fired for misconduct (for example, not showing up on time, acting in an unsafe manner, theft, harassment, etc.) then you can't collect unemployment payments, unless you can prove that the misconduct you were fired for did not actually occur, but was a false claim by the employer (employers *will* sometimes falsify reports of misconduct). If you quit, then you can't get unemployment, unless you can demonstrate you quit for a good cause (eg. unreasonable expectations from your boss, substantial reduction in scheduled hours, unsafe or hostile work environment, etc.). The reason that this is so complicated, and why employers will do things like falsify causes for termination, is that in nearly all states, employers are required to pay unemployment insurance to former employees. The payment process is managed by the government, which collects and disburses the unemployment funds, but the funds come from the former employer via a state-mandated unemployment insurance fees. Only three states pay unemployment out of worker's taxes.
@@SpareSomeChange8080 depends on the state, in the state of Massachusets (and i think in Georgia too) you can collect if you were fired, UNLESS you were fired for willful misconduct. In this case Austin did not break any 'rules' per se. So i doubt the place could claim he did any acts of misconduct ; You may also collect unemployment if you were laid off. As for fees, unemployment money is taxed, just like a paycheck, and it is only ~60% of what you were earning.
I remember, many years ago in my early 20's, when an employer decided to cut our pay by 1 dollar. We argued about it and the manager decided to get angry. He said "It's just a dollar! You're telling me a dollar matters?" And all of us were like "... if it doesn't matter, why are you taking it from us?" Like the logic of "money isn't everything" when the other party is trying to pay less doesn't make sense at all. It's like if I get cheated on and my gf says "sex isn't everything." Well then why did you cheat on me????
Huge red flag when the boss doesn't give him a copy of the performance review. When I worked in middle management I made sure the people I oversaw got copies of everything we would go for in any performance review, feedback coaching, etc.
Yes, because the employer doesn't want the employee holding it over their head when they've made good on their promises to change for the better. It's a sneaky tactic.
Just fyi for the younger people out there, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A COPY OF ANY PERSONAL PAPERWORK YOU NEED TO SIGN. Or at the very least they have to tell you where you can find it online or tell you who can get you that information. If they want you to sign it, demand a copy. Refusing to sign could have consequences, so be careful. Check to see what your state says specifically.
Same here. I got a $28 hourly with expectations to do $30 after 90 days. Also, one guy was retiring, their was no team, I was the only one, everyone else on the design team worked remote but when I asked they said no we don’t want to lose you because it’s happened before but that’s a lie cause everybody on the team worked remote! And guess what? 90 days came and went. I went somewhere else and got $37 hourly!
Congrats!! In what area do you reside? I'm also a designer, in SoCal. I just got bumped from $21 to $22 per hour (per inflation) but my raise was declined as well :/ Looking for better options, but everyone around my area is offering around $20 per hour or less.
I just had a battle at my work because we had a guy retire and they where acting like I was just going to step in and take over his job on top of mine. I made it PERFECTLY clear that would not happen with out more money.
This happened to me as a remote employee, but they wanted me to come into the office because the guy that quit was required to have face-to-face meetings with clients. "I was hired with the understanding that this job was fully-remote." "Yes... But 'Guy' just quit so we need you to come in Monday through Thursday so that you can take over the client meetings. You can still have your Fridays fully remote." (Try to reason with her for a minute (pro-tip- don't work for a female boss...) with no success) "Well, if that's the case, then prepare to lose me as well, because I quit." Bye Felicia!
@@calvinvastelli6792 Are you red pill or something? Ive had a couple female bosses who were better than any male boss I've had. Ive also had a bad female boss. People are people man they have different personalities and beliefs regardless of being male/female
@@calvinvastelli6792 I learned both those lessons too. Never take on more responsibility without compensation or you will be that overworked guy in the office who does all the work and gets all the shit. And yes, never work for a female boss. Not saying they're all bad but if it goes left, they are incredibly sneaky and not above outright lying. The risk is not worth it. Bad male bosses can be incredibly shitty too, but there's not that soap opera angle to it. People who've gone through it know what I mean.
On the topic of "You don't deserve two weeks," No. They don't. They never do. Any employer who asks if you are putting in a two week notice, you need to ask if they are going to give you a two week notice for being fired. This is a transactional affair. I am not working charity, here.
I live in a right to work state. If the company has treated me well and I'm leaving just for better opportunities they'll get at least 2 weeks. If I'm leaving because the company mistreats people they get a "today was my last day, I've removed my personal property from my office and left my badge with the receptionist" style note.
When I left my last two jobs. I gave them two weeks notice. I left because another opportunity came my way, and I was offered more money. Both of my previous employers responded by just removing me completely from the schedule, and the two weeks ment nothing to them. The two week notice should be replaced with a today only notice. Why should you give them two weeks when they pull this crap?
@@ericknoblauch9195 Yeah, not many companies have earned the expectation of a 2 week notice. I quit a couple jobs just by handing a resignation letter to the secretary and leaving. Having gathered up any personal belongings the days before. The last job I left I did give a one month notice. It had been a good company for over a decade. Upper management had changed and the place was going downhill fast. But my team and other people I worked with day to day weren't responsible for that and there was a lot of knowledge transfer to do. The place I'm at now, they've been fair to me so unless things change they'll get 2 weeks. But in general, if you can be fired/laid off without notice why should the company expect different behavior from you?
When middle managers gaslighting fails, they fire you and hire someone who falls for the gaslighting. It is an age old story and happens at every organization.
My daughter once had an HR person tell her to quit because they couldn’t give a raise that would even put her at the hiring wage of new people just coming in, so she could rehire her at the starting wage for incoming. Ridiculous that older employees should not be bumped up to the new wages!
I had a good review from HR and my supervisor. The only complaint was that I was not multitasking. I'm an accountant and need a quiet room not to make mistakes. What I'm supposed to do? Answer the phone while I'm doing accounting? By the way, I was working as an Accounts Payable and Accounts Receivable in addition to other Accounting and bookkeeping duties. My salary was $37,500. Cheap, cheap, cheap.... no raise. A few weeks later, the supervisor handed me a yellow envelope to take money to the bank. While she was at the meeting, I went to the bank. I come back from the bank, and she tells me, "I told you not to go to the bank." I noticed a bit of a fishy smell. I apologized, "I'm sorry, maybe I did not hear you.... then why did you hand me a yellow envelope? " She did not say anything and walked out of the room. By the Christmas season of last year, I realized the company was financially in trouble. In January of this year, I got laid off and my supervisor was demoted to an accounting associate position. Today, she is an accounting supervisor again, but an HR assistant is helping her. I feel bad about the HR assistant since accounting is not her job.
The HR rep is legit. This happens frequently and is always an issue with new vs veteran employees. And most employers are more than willing to accept re-hires because they're already trained and get right to work.
The trick is find new job first, then hand in notice if possible. Because it never ever improves. Also try to find out the employee turn over rate. Hi turn over means lousy employer.
I'm so happy he recorded this Convo. If they try to deny his unemployment he'll have this plus other stuff to back him up. That's another reason shitty evaluations exist.
Gotta be careful depending on what state you're in make sure you know your states law before using a recording in his case he's fine though Georgia is a 1 party state (only 1 person involved needs to consent)
Recording these interactions is incredibly important if you're not in one of the few states where it's illegal. While working in corporate banking, I've had to record a performance review and many meetings with a manager that was attempting to hold me back despite being the star of the team. He was known to say off the wall shit and told me that he was trying to keep me down so I couldn't leave the team. I took my recording to HR and send shockwaves to leadership. Within weeks, they moved me to another team with a 50% salary increase. There is nothing that scares people more than knowing they've been unknowingly recorded. It's a good psychological attack when done right. Check your state's right to record laws, but most states it's allowed as long as you don't leave the recorder alone in a room. It needs to be on your person unless you want some federal wiretapping charges which is not good lol.
I am in my fifties and I have honestly never heard of a 90 day performance review that wasn't about a raise. I mean, why else do the review in the first place if it isn't about rewarding the employee with a raise? If the employer was truly unsatisfied with the employee's performance, then why not call the meeting a disciplinary action rather than a performance review? Sounds to me like the employee made the right decision getting out of there now rather than wasting ten or twenty years of the most productive part of his life going nowhere.
Those are just so they can essentially nickel and dime you out of a well deserved raise. I have been through several reviews and they look for the most miniscule excuse to dock points and as a result you will not get a decent raise.
@Steven Cooley I'm also in my 50s and back in the 90s and even 80s I know if they wanted to get rid of shit employees...they'd just can you, not wait for a "review ". The scheduled reviews were for ppl you KNEW were getting raises lol...
90 day reviews have nothing to with salary. Who gives raises after 90 days? 90 day reviews are to get rid bad employees early which is much easier from an hr perspective and time perspective. No job gives raises after 90 days.
Every job is apparently a sales job. I once went for an interview for a bank teller job. The interview turned out to be a group interview. It turned out to be very uncomfortable as it became clear that we were competing with each other to see who could upsell the best. Not what I was interested in at all.
"pEopLe aRe LAzY aNd DOnT wAnT tO WoRk." Here is how it is, the company doesnt care about your personal financial issues. It is NEVER a good idea to bring personal issues up to an employer. If an employer is not paying you what youre worth, then you simply need to get a different job. The Boss Bill is clearly stonewalling this whole conversation because he has a political/personal issue with people wanting a living wage.
Agree! I learned early on in a company eerily similar to this when I witnessed a manager sneer to his whole team about how one of their team members (who wasn't there at the time) had the audacity to ask him for a pay rise.
I had an employee who asked for a raise because they needed more money. They were my worst employee. I said no.To be fair, we already paid a living wage if $40-50k.
@@scoobydoobers23 I assume entry level. Pay raises beyond the COL adjustments should be expected by both employee and employer. If the position has a max and they're at it, then a discussion should be had about what they can do to take the next step.
@@praxton Agreed. She received raises above COL, and had actually just received a 10% bump after moving her from another department. She was upset that younger people with college degrees made the same or more. I had advised her previously that further significant promotion required formal education.
And have you heard of the new surveillance tech employers are using to view their employees’ minute-to-minute performance? Yeah, “quiet quitting” is a thing of the past. Slowing down your past performance isn’t gonna work.
@@elstongunn4277 Typically as long as you're doing your job, they won't be able to do much. Like for instance, the lazy person is never asked to do anything extra because they know there will be push back, but the outstanding over-achiever? They will do the extra work no matter what, so they are assigned to it. However, you can wayne off that over-achiever status to just focus on what you are paid to do. For example, the company I work at now pays me really well, they've given me 2x 30% raises in the last year (yes I had to ask for it, but ironically it started over a $200 yearly expense I would have to pay, and instead was walking out with enough to buy a brand new motorcycle every year with the price they came back with). But the customer I work for can task me directly, and they see that I'm good at what I do, and all their other people can't do as good of a job or too busy, so they have me lead more projects outside my scope of expertise. Its whatever, when I have extra time I'll work those and help out, but I'm not working above 40 hours per week (they are not authorizing overtime, so none will be performed). My primary job is the one that matters, any side jobs take a backseat because its that primary one that I'll be reviewed upon. Also in my case they've bumped me up so high that even if I came down from the heavens above, I probably wouldn't get paid more, so doing the job I'm on contract for, and not a million other things unless it fits within the 40 hours.
It's weird, because every hour you work more for them you make your boss more money. Usually a multiple of your pay. So, they should have every incentive to pay you more for now pay. But they want to get a kick out of paying you less. And they can afford that because they're not really in for the money anymore. They have plenty already.
@@mreese8764 ever heard of overhead bosses don’t make as much as people think yes they make money, but there’s a risk the employees don’t have to risk paying the bank if the business fails the owner does
I was given a performance review where they wanted to discuss my "not meeting expectations". I was the highest performer in the whole region that month. The expectations they were talking about was getting upset after being bullied, complaining about having to wait 3+ months for expenses to be paid and wearing headphones to help me focus (I was told I always need to be listening in to others' conversations - even though I have a hearing condition and couldn't make out what was being said unless they were speaking to be directly). I quit the day before the review and am glad I did.
I had a supervisor once give me a perfect score on my evaluation, he was subsequently chewed out for it. He actually yelled at his superior and came back to tell me the job was turning into a shit show and I should keep my options open. They forced him out within a year.
As a former supervisor myself and now a store owner, I had a corrupt district manager who tried to force me out and was constantly chewed out for things beyond my control, eventually I had him terminated and criminally trespassed by corporate themselves, he had lied about sales reports and the last straw was how he handled a complaint from a customer who literally was an undercover shopper, if anyone out there employee or employer, if you are being forced out and have an HR department, DOCUMENT EVERYTHING!! Secretly record audio even! Most companies will have a "whistleblower" program that is designed to protect anyone, including store operators such as myself when a rogue higher up decides to break protocol, even NDA's can be voided when said agreement is broken and can be taken up in court
Fortunately, in my country(Latinamerica), Work laws protect employees a little better. For instance, in this part the the audio at the end. An employer can't decide when is your last minute at work unless they're officially firing you and for them to fire you, they must have a proper cause or they would have to pay you some kind of indemnity and a month worth of salary which I'm sure Bill wasn't willing to pay since it even hurt him to be asked for a back pay.
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
What you are saying is soooo true, and this conversation with this power-tripping middle manager ... I can feel my blood pressure rising ... it's so unfair and infuriating! I wonder how much that sycophant middle manager is making ...
This manager is outright lying. Employees are supposed to get an evaluation copy. In fact, employees are typically part of the evaluation process. Additionally, no employee has to go to the employer telling them they need money & what can they do to earn more. That’s just silly. He contradicted himself several times. Managers are supposed to know, engage & keep talent--so the firm can continue to exploit said talent, Lol 😂 . Just the way Corporate tends to work; exploiting our talents to stay competitive, usually for little if they are allowed. Everything tends to be legal in corporate until it’s not.
There is no "supposed to". Employers can handle the evaluation process however they want. If you don't like it, find another job. Of course it works both ways -- an employer who forces enough employees to find another job is going to see their replacement pool shrink.
This boss pulled every gas-lighting trick in the book. Blatant disrespect and lies he's telling this guy with such ease. I'm glad Austin did what he did. He should've left much earlier and I hope this is a lesson not to take these kinds of shit jobs in the future.
I feel like in certain areas of the country that business owners have too much leverage. There was a chain of fast food restaurants where my family is from in Montana that was forcing employees to work off the clock. Somebody blew the whistle and the state crushed them. I worked for a tree nursery that the owner would absolutely ride people for not performing and fire on the spot. I think he fired me twice 😆 A few people died in a car wreck while rushing to work. He just said “no job is worth your life”. I don’t think he connected anything to his management style.
I believe that’s when they REALLY cross the line - blatant, pathological lies. Then they top it off with the “overthinking / assumption” claim about you even though it’s not some made up criticism. They make it sound as if mistreatment in the workplace is the same as talking about Area 51.
While he didn't play the best corpo-chess, personally I think more people need to be putting managers and executives in the hot seat, make it personal, and make them uncomfortable for treating their employees like trash.
@@ModernRelic69 UIB application: Were you given written documentation of deficiencies in performance? former employee's honest answer: NO! because Bill is so bad at his own job, he did not even take opportunity to hand guy piece of paper all "here is your Action Plan, you need to A, B, and C to bring your performance to standard ___". no matter how much a lie. no matter how flawed anything else. Bill left money on the table right there!
I quit my job Oct 4th. They asked me to stay on for two weeks on the same project which caused me to resign. I said if that's the only task they wanted me to do, my last day is today and I'll be logging off after this call for good. First job I've ever not given two weeks. You could tell they were completely unprepared for an employee to exercise the kind of power that only management wields. It felt exhilarating.
@@rustyshacklefordspocketsqu8162 I always tell prospective employers that I must give my current employer *at least* two weeks notice. This isn't just because I like my current employer. It's because if someone is so desperate they need someone RIGHT NOW, that tells me they're in chaos (probably self-inflicted due to poor planning and/or because of the way they've been treating their employees). So I respectfully decline, then quietly thank God that I just dodged another bullet.
@@rustyshacklefordspocketsqu8162 Eventually when you get a real job it will hurt you. They really do check that stuff out and when they call for your referrals and ask if you are rehirable the answer will be "No" and it's hard to overcome that in the real world. If you are working low level service jobs they'll hire anybody with a pulse so you're safe.
@@jlindsay That book (48 Laws) basically tells you to be an awful person. Have you read it? I could barely get through the first chapter and felt dirty.
🤦, the biggest mistake employees make is to try to reason and use logic with those types of folks. I recently left and shocked everyone around me. Actions speak louder than words.
Bill: "This guy is leaving, I want you to pick up the slack and run with it." Employee: "I'll try to sell but that's not my strong suite" Bill: "that makes me angry" Employee: " I deserve a raise" Bill: "we don't have money cause of this fucking administration" Employee: "I have a second job" Bill: "you're cheating on me?"
This is like a training video for what NOT to do as a manager and what NOT to do as an employee. Horrible environment and toxic boss. I understand wanting to be candid as an employee, but that wasn’t ever going to work in that environment with that ego-driven manager.
The idea of claiming that "money isn't everything" to an employee is hilarious. Yes it is. It's the literal only reason anyone is at any company.
If money isn't everything then you should have no problem giving me a raise...
@@jerometruitt2731 Owned
If money isn't everything then why don't you give your products away for free?
@@jerometruitt2731 Exactly my thought when people say different versions of that statement
It's the only thing.
I can’t believe anybody is undergoing a performance review for under $13 an hour
When I worked at Goodwill I had to give reviews for people making $8.50 so they could get max $0.32 for a raise. It was insane. And I got a phone call when I gave that max amount.
Fast food pays unskilled people better with far less responsibility. World is upside down and another reason industries are having so much trouble hiring and retaining good employees.
I can't believe anybody's getting paid as much as $13 an hour
we'd love to put another piece of pork in with your rice, but you're only picking 100 pounds of cotton per day.
In the last 15 years, I've worked jobs ranging from $8 to $200 an hour. There is a very direct correlation with low pay and terrible performance reviews. The lower you are down the ladder, the more they expect of you and the harder they're going to be on you. As someone with blue collar roots and now in a cushy white collar office, I feel a mix of guilt and anger that this is the reality.
I had worked for a cleaning company and the owner promised a rise every 6 months. After 3 years when I asked her about a rise she said “times have changed- no rise”. Two weeks later me and my wife opened own cleaning business and made her a competition. We even get many calls from her clients asking us to do services for them. Glad we did this and now after 11 years we make $180k per year compared to $40k working for her.
40k? Didnt know janitors could make that much
@@themiddleman3060depends on the area and clientele
@@themiddleman3060 Depends on the janitor job. A janitor at an oil refinery makes a hell of a lot more than a janitor at Arby's.
@@themiddleman3060 Some Janitors make more like if you work for the post office you start at 15 -16 dollars and almost a dollar raise every year.
Your former boss was a parasite.
As a retired banker, I can honestly say that money is everything in a worker/work place relationship. Whenever a company tries to push the "money isnt everything" line, it is absolutely time to leave.
if you hear that line from ANYONE even family you can bet you're in the process of being manipulated into a bad deal, situation, exchange,etc
Right. Try telling the company that their money isn't everything. Forgetaboutit.
@@louskunt9798 ok, champ.
@@louskunt9798 Id say them having had a career around money, they might have more insight on the true value place on money by society then us
"Money isn't everything" - "Oh that's great, so you don't mind giving me more of that then."
The fact he gave his notice and said you don't deserve two weeks was in my opinion a BRILLIANT strategy. By saying that and pissing the other guy off to basically fire him, He played that "boss" right into his hands. Now the job has to pay unemployment!
While each state is different, I suspect Georgia's unemployment compensation act isn't much different from Texas'. If that's the case, an employee who is fired is not automatically entitled to unemployment benefits absent mitigating or extraordinary circumstances. I say this as a former Texas Workforce Commission account examiner.
@@CaesarInVa why would you suspect GA is the same as TX just because you worked in TX? That makes no sense at all. Every state holds pretty similarly that if you were fired without just cause you are eligible to file. Whether or not a commissioner agrees is another thing entirely. VA is the same way even as a right-to-work state.
PA has very liberal unemployment-as liberal as you will find anywhere-but it will only pay up to the notice date he gave if the boss fires him early, and only if the boss couldn't demonstrate "willful misconduct" on behalf of the employee. As soon as it gets to the date originally given it becomes a quit again and then the quit has to be demonstrated by the employee as "necessitous and compelling". Generally, a bad performance review isn't going to qualify as that.
But fun fact: incompetence is not willful misconduct, and differentiating willful misconduct from incompetence is almost impossible without some sort pf admission from the employee. So if you make a "mistake" that is ostensibly due to incompetence, cost your employer a ton of money, and get fired for it? You'll still get your unemployment.
@@FlarkusChunswen Because this is an aspect of law that usually doesn't differ that much from state to state.
@@olstar18 you said that based on what experience or evidence?
The biggest mistake you can make as an employee is be loyal. The second someone offers more, you take it. And always been looking.
...and you are ceratin to get better offers when you have a job that someone wants to rip you from
indeed so correct
Depends on the job, if it is unionized and if there is a pension system. Morale is HUGE too. It would take some monumental to steal me from my job.
Couldn’t have said it better….and always add more money to what you make in your current job in your new interview….if your making 14 tell them your making 16…then if they are a decent company there gonna add to that to get you .. they very well could say “ well start you at 17…you just gave yourself a 3 raise.
Kinda like marriage in the sense it is mutual.
If they are loyal to you... by all means be loyal to them.
Of course, if they aren't, don't be loyal to them.
I never give a 2 week notice. I just quit at the end of a pay cycle. Companies don't give you a 2 week notice if they fire you or lay you off , it's instantaneous. So I give them the same courtesy. And the look of surprise and anger on their faces is heart warming to me.
Haha
I quit without notice only when the company has been bad.
If I'm just moving on for better pay, I'll give notice. And it's a good thing, I've worked for the same companies 3 times in some cases. But my pay goes way up each time.
depends on state/country.
In the USA there are 'right to work' states that allow a company to fire someone immediatly. In turn the employee can quit at any time without notice. (right to fire would be a more accurate description)
But most states have the famous minimum two week notice.
(In my country it's based on how long you work for the company. f.e. more than 2 years -> 6 weeks, more than 8 years -> 3 months)
@@Robbedem In the US, any employee can quit at any time without notice. 2 weeks isn't required, and only employees with contracts can't quit without notice (without risking a lawsuit), but companies also can't fire those contract employees based on right to work laws.
In the US, large companies have to give layoff notices and pay unemployment for downsizing, regardless of state laws
Shid I'd give those fools a 2 day notice. If my demands aren't meant right away then I will leave this mfer TODAY.
15 years as an RN has taught me that the puppets are promoted. And they know it. The worker-bees, and brains of the organization, and the team-players are all “evaluated” by the nurses that don’t do, or know, sh*t.
Facts
Well said
And in looks, don’t forget its all about appearances rather than merit and competence.
Truth.
I found that directors promote employees that make them look good and their job easier.
Translation: the employee will never let blame get back to director, the employee will manage the same way the director does.
Saying that “we trained you when you knew nothing” would be the relationship equivalent of “you were nothing before me”. And most people would classify a spouse like that as an abusive one. People like this are the worst.
"We trained you when you knew nothing."
"So does every entry level job in the country. What's your point?"
@@AtomicZn Yeah but even if they did and it made them special. “Yeah well now I know stuff, and my pay should be commensurate with the skillset.”
@@mgottpt
Right!
+ they've invested in him so they should try to keep him.
Too bad the video didn't give the company name so people can not do business with them
Don't forget it's me who put you where you are now and I can put you back down too
The best advice I ever got from a job I hated, was "Your salary is negotiated during the hiring process". Never rely on promises of better pay later, you won't get it.
correct, its been studyed mathematically, the initial negotiated salary will rarely be exceeded thru pay raises until aroung 15 year point!!!
@lunam7248 This type of exploitation is completely unacceptable, but to be expected in Free Market America.
@@ReverseTranscriptase nothing is "free market" USA has alot of economic controls . rules, laws, judges ect....especially a 2 tier economy, with a bachelor degree = $60000/year... without = $14/hr....no company EVER break that "POLICY"... all "good" jobs REQUIRE A DEGREE EVEN IN SOMETHING STUPID LIKE GYMNASTICS ECT..
This is true. Get it before you start. Don’t count on any deal in the future (some places will follow through but things can change so don’t plan on it being a sure thing)
If you’re not happy with your job or pay you should be looking for offers from other employers.
Why isnt it renegotiated to keep up with inflation?
I recorded my HR lying to me. Waited 6 months and asked for a meeting with the big boss and HR. HR proceeded to lie and say she had no idea what i was talking about. I played the tape. She flipped out! I was sent home and 2 hours later a courier showed up at my house with a letter saying the company "Accepts my resignation" and i was banned from the property. I didn't quit.......
Sounds like a lawsuit.
This country will never last. There are far too many people willing to lie constantly, and they have infected every single facet of society.
How is the lawsuit going? Did you get paid?
All depends on if the recording was legal, if it's an instance of an online meeting it is treated the same as in person in a closed office. Make sure your state is not 2 party consent for recording
Borderline employers? Be glad they gave you the reverse breakup.
A friend of mine was told at his annual review how great he was doing and they were totally pleased with his work. Then they cut his pay. My friend wasn't there much longer.
I was told I was a model employee after 4 years and gave like a 25cent raise.... I support 5 kids and a Wife on my wages alone, that's the only yearly review I ever had.
Good tip I learned is this, “If it’s not in writing, it’s never been said”
Oh but if you promise something not in writing oh boy I bet you are held accountable
Law 101
My last boss refused REFUSED to put anything in writing because of this. I started “forgetting” things she told me. Always got frustrated but never put things in writing. Worst boss ever.
If it's not in writing it doesn't exist. I had one boss who was a complete jerk and refused to put anything in writing.
I'd even go as far as to say that if it isn't in writing, it's probably a lie.
I was promised a 90-day review....took place 19 months later! Also told no raise, I had out performed EVERYONE of my peers. Made the owners nearly $1M in net profit during that time (not revenue, actual profits). Lost all drive for the job. Ended up over stressed and in the hospital. Not worth it, folks.
Sorry that happened to you!!! Nothing is worth your mental health and peace. These employers will run you into the ground and not care about your health deteriorating!
Same... My counter part and I managed all the contracts for 500m in revenue. 60 hours a week. Friend and coworker committed suicide and then I just broke down. The company forced me to time off work and therapy then fired me.
Especially when during that review, the boss says he wants you to do your job and another employee's job as of date, then this review's possible pay raise will be revisited at a future review if you do both jobs excellently. Translation: the promised pay (you were told at your hire) has been a dangled carrot. You are never going to get any pay raise. But, as of date, you will be required to do double the work for your current pay.
@@factsdontlie4342 that is horrible. Contact a lawyer.
@@factsdontlie4342 file a lawsuit ASAP
And this is why employees are “quietly quitting” everywhere. Take note management. Or not. Makes no difference.
This is why customers don't like dealing with rep or sales peeps, they arein't being paid and treated well so the customer gets to feel it.
@PatrickBaptist-vv2bg the reps hate speaking to customers more than customers hate speaking to reps. By a loooong shot.
@@PatrickBaptist-vv2bgbro, customers are absolute HELL to speak to, was at a supermarket for a week, didnt know some stuff and got yelled at by these old crooks, the younger ones were more tolerable
Quiet quitting = lame weak a$$ people and why so many are unemployed later and can’t get another job because they have zero work experience or references.
I agree. As an employee you move in silence. Don't tell your opps what your plans is. Hell he could call up target right now and tell them not to hire you. It's a cut throat world out here. There is no need for anyone to know what your next move is but you. The second he said this isnt a negotiation that was the end of the conversation.
Absolutely right. If you’re leaving, never ever tell your previous employer where your next job is.
I got a high performance review at a company, and was given a whopping 2.5% raise for the year. My boss at the time even bragged to me that to pull off such a feat he had to lower the raise of other employees in my team. I thanked him for his generosity by leaving
My former team got 15% raise for the team. The entire one, together. So he got 3% and then she got 2% and so on. There was a year I got 6% with the note that I should care a bit more and then I got next year 3% for being really great. It was totally random.
I mean.. that’s an extra $1500 a year on a 60k salary. How long were you there?
@@ZombieNationLTD Inflation is assumed 3% year over year, so I really took a .5% cut. Instead I regularly get 20% raises every two years because I'll just take what I've learned and re-apply for a new position at a competitor. Went from being a janitor to being comfortably within 6 figures with no degree/certs. Not as a brag but as proof that staying with the same company just isn't profitable long term unless they treat you better than tiny raises year over year
Yeh...that sounds familiar. But knowing how budgets work it is true. Each dept gets a pot with a finite amount of $ allitted for annual raises. They divvy it up accordingly. So it happens that they do "regulate" how many employees they give stellar reviews to, cause they cannit give everyone a high score or the pot is depleted.
@@Gypsygirl9 hiring and firing are totally different budgets. For example giving me a joke raise and letting me go will cost the company 10x more than giving me a decent raise. If I go, they have to train the next person and also probably pay more money from the "hiring budget", more than my raise would have been from the "working budget". If you're also pissing off top performers and they leave just like the commenter said, then the price would be even higher.
A couple of months ago, my company dropped 2 people off of my concrete crew and told me my guys would just have to "replace them with more effort." I told them more effort cost more money. They didn't want to hear that, so we turned in shit numbers for the next week. At the Monday morning meeting I told them again, extra effort costs extra money. After a week they gave me a raise, by the end of the month my whole crew got a raise, and turns out they were right, we didn't need those 2 guys, we just needed the company to pay what they weigh. My point is, don't do a bit of work they're not paying you for, if they want to add burdens to your back, they gotta add dollars to your bank.
Good job.
That's smart, but it's risky they could've found people who will do it cheaper than you will.
@thenoobreturnz8968 they could have, and I could have found another job 5 minutes after they replaced me. My trade is in high demand in my area, gives us some extra room to bargain with.
What area are you working in? Or sector?
@@roxanahidalgo8131 I do road repair
I worked for a company for a year. During that year because of my qualifications and certs I was given more and more responsibilities and put into more skilled positions without a pay increase. The job was dangeous too. After a year I went to the supervisor to discuss a raise and he just said 'no'. I asked him if he was sure and he was so I got up, shook his hand and thanked him for the job and quit right there. He looked like someone just sucker-punched him in the chest and couldn't believe I was quitting. They screwed themselves because I couldn't be easily replaced especially on such short notice and they were on a MAJOR project (Seattle Tunnel Project). I felt pretty good not having to go back the next day. The project manager kept calling me for a week and I just ignored them. Get what you're worth
Good shit brodie!!!
You should have answered the phone and basked in the glory lol. I would have been curious to what his offer was.
This gave me so much joy to read.
Awesome! I 💯 bet there was a firestorm of emails, phone calls and Skype meetings with corporate over this. It's so surprising seeing these people panic 😆
Could you have accepted a returned but only if the supervisor was fired lol?
I used to bite my tongue to not burn any bridges. Now that I’m older I would’ve told this pos off. “You don’t deserve two weeks” was a great line.
I wouldn't even have given them that satisfaction. I would have quit then and there.
I almost feel bad for business owners/managers who think that things are “going to back to normal” - this is the new normal. No one is going to ever again work for less. People will forever act their wage from here on out. The ones that don’t are going to be burnt out … and good for the public because businesses that treat people like this deserve to fail.
it is true, workers have far more power now. BUT dont let your guard down, keep investing keep buying undervalued cheap stocks. Money that goes up automatically
I would happily work at (almost) any wage as long as I feel like the company is honest about it, and they treat me like what I am, instead of what their imaginary best-case-scenario worker would be.
If you want me to make 15 an hour, but expect a 20 an hour work result out of me, we're *eventually* gonna have problems. If you want me to make 15 an hour, but afford me the equivalent amount of leniency for such a low position, say, *hire extra workers so I'm not overworked into exhaustion,* then absolutely I'll keep working for you.
You’re right
'act their wage' I love it
Why do you think this hasn't always been the case? The boss knows you're slacking and you get paid what you're worth. Don't be shocked when some people blow past you by doing more than their fair share..
Employee's have to remember, a performance review meeting is not only reviewing your performance as an employee, you should be reviewing the companies performance as an employer!
@@GladeSwope in the real world it is so. you just have to have the backbone and willing to noodles for a little bit.
@@takentimes8903 Nope I don't get paid to evaluate my employer. If they want me to evaluate them then they need to pay me for it. If I hear BS from them though, I will point it out. If I dont like what they offer me I will let them know and if need be go look elsewhere.
@@RA_84_A only if your good at your job. I bet you have to go along to keep any type of job.
@@RA_84_A More than likely they do not care. Until you have done your own review and found that the companies performance is lacking, leading you to finding another job and handing in your notice. Then they may care a little, only because they may have to find your replacement.
@@GladeSwope Why can't it be so in a not perfect world? You do your review, as they are doing theirs of your performance. You don't tell them you are also conducting a review, you do it in silence. You find them lacking, but you don't bother to tell them about it. That would be a mistake. You don't want them letting you go before you hand in your notice.
What you do is resolve yourself that you are now looking for a new job, and start your hunt. You find your new job, get the details sorted and sign on, then hand in your notice cold and calm at the job you found lacking. They will more than likely be caught off guard by your move, sure they may not care at all, but they may very well have to scramble to hire your replacement. Hiring staff costs companies a lot of time and money. If they don't hire your replacement quickly, they will burn out their other staff.
Ever notice at a company, people quitting tends to go in waves? One or two people go, they are not replaced quickly enough with good enough workers, everyone else has to pick-up the slack. More workers get annoyed at that, and they too find other jobs and quick. Snowball effect. That hurts companies a lot more than they let on.
All the while you moved on, probably got a pay raise while your at it, and your getting on with your life.
Considering how important our employment is, why does no one else roast shitty employers like this. Love this channel
Few people dare to do this because it's career suicide. Nobody wants an employee who puts his own interests first and teaches others to do the same.
I love Joshua Fluke. However, as a Mexican living in Mexico, watching his videos are harmful. Asking for a fair wage in Mexico, is the type of thing that will get you blacklisted when applying to other jobs.
Believe Life After Layoff is branching into that a little bit as well.
@@leonardo899 to be honest my friend, next years hyper-inflation we all gonna be screwed, except the usual Superclass suspects
@@leonardo899 never hurts to quitely to move jobs which you can tolerate more than current job. don't need to be vocal like joshua.
Same thing happened to me. They promised a $1 raise after 90 days. I asked for the meeting because they didn’t schedule it. When I asked my boss about it she said the hiring manager didn’t remember saying that. She told me next time to get it in writing. So apparently their word means nothing. I quit and joined the army. This was almost 20 years ago.
Uncle Sam works in mysterious ways, indeed.
"I want you to do the work of two people"
"That's cool, I need to be paid the wage of two people"
"We can't do that at this time"
"I can't do that at this time"
I had a job that threw me on a "double cell" two one man cells for one person to run. I ran it thanklessly for a year and never got a dime for it.
i did the work of two people's jobs for a year then on my performance review: "needs to do extra out of the box thinking" - the boss took all the credit for my work.
You should get more than 2 wages, since u been working so many hours
@@janibeg3247 my husband was fighting for a promotion - he developed a script that basically automatized most of the office work. When he brought it up to his manager, the guy told him the script sucks ("doesnt meet the requirements to be implemented"), refused him the promotion, gave the position to his college-level nephew and then took all the credit for the script...
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The "employee evaluation" process is ONLY about keeping the employee insecure, unbalanced and desperate. It is NEVER about rewarding good performance with higher wages.
Yep.
At a properly ran store, it is about rewarding. The store I worked at rarely, if ever, did not give the employee a raise after 90 days. Reason being, the employees that wouldn't have gotten the raise either quit or were fired before those 90 days. And it took something serious to get fired (Coming in high or drunk on multiple occassions, being found doing drugs or drinking on company property, lighting up a joint on the property minutes after your interview and being hired and yes, all this happened). Our company had a raise rate printed out for giving raises on evaluations post 90 days. Employees would get them every 6 months. The first 6 months would be for "Ok, here is where you are at and here is where we'd like you to be" then the one for the second 6 months would be for the raise. On the second evaluation, how well you scored determined how big of a raise you'd get. The only way you wouldn't get a raise is if you scored well below satisfactory and at that point, you should also be concerned about keeping your job. In my time with them, no one scored below satisfactory that wasn't fired for some drug or alchohol issue.
Unless you're the type who can manage a solid stare back at your employer while they deliver your performance evaluation, I would have to agree with you. Unfortunately, I can make my own boss squirm in his seat.
The employee reviews I conducted were for nurses, therapists, etc. Most the time there were problems and we used this to address them. As crazy as it sounds a LOT of grown medically licensed professionals at least where I am are bad workers, feel entitled and are flat out lazy. Performance reviews for the good ones went great and highlighted their attributes and I always fought for as big a raise I could get them but corporate controls that not me. The problem employees we used this as a "get it together or your gone" kind of thing because in reality you do have to have those conversations. Also always give every employee a copy of this eval thats crazy.
Exactly my experience too
I was a painter for a hospital in the past. The direct supervisor and I did not get along so in a yearly review He put me done as doing 0% of my work. I then was called into hr to see what they were going to do to me. This was in the late 80s. I was also union but they would not step in. What they did not know was that every place in that hospital I painted in the last year I put down in a journal every day and got signatures on every work order and area I painted. HR and my boss was shocked. I told them to either change my eval or I was going to sue period and walked out. I overheard as I was walking out HR said do not worry we will take care of it. then they laid off the whole paint department. I got a years pay and did not have to report to unemployment. started my own business and was successful. do not let the work environment run you life.
Now how do you treat your employees?
@@MrRono19 very good question. I treated them like I wanted to be treated. also paid union wages. Told them what needs to be done for the day. if they finished it early and the work was up to the quality I insisted on they went home with full pay for the day.
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he problem was most people worked out well for a month or too then started to take advantage of me. I did what I told them I would do when I hired them.
I fired them with a smile. out of roughly 100 people I would find maybe 2 that would do the job and do it right. Now I am retired. I retired at 55. The couple of people that worked well now have my business. hope that answers your question
Absolutely spot on - if you have any skill that's needed in the marketplace you can sell it direct to the market without needing to go through an employer.
@@takentimes8903 that's awesome! And congrads one the early retirement? (idk if its early there but here in EU you work till your mid 60's)
@@MrRono19 very early here. 65 was the norm now older because of our f up government. thanks for the congrats and have a great day
I did 10 years at Motorola and parted company with them just a hair before they went out of business (yes Motorola is out of business). The so called performance review was a tool to belittle, reduce wages and inject insecurity. I saw those corporate rats undermine so many people and I was a victim from day one. They found excuses to give no annual increases and what increases were given were so disconnected with reality that it was breathtaking. THEN they demanded loyalty.
I had zero loyalty to them from day one. It was a job and nothing else. I saw internal fiefdoms created and people actually think they were tough because they were a manager. The whole thing was surreal. An absurd dream.
The corporate speak was sickening. The buzzwords and sentences were predictable. What is more it seems that the working world is getting worse such that it is impossible to have a job unless you have this silly nonsense shoved at you. Even small businesses are using this garbage it seems.
"Im sorry if you thought this was a negotiation of a raise" ... "well then im sorry, that you thought this was a negotiation of me working harder"
Emotionally Incontinent Manager / Supervisor -
"You're FIRED!" ::afterwards:: "Kids these days! They just don't want to work!"
@@TheMaleRei also this kind of employers theese days: there is not enough skilled labor in this country, my staff can barely read and write
@@TheMaleRei "I don't understand we have gone from 3 employee to only 1 it must be this administration fault hey" piece of s
@@TheMaleReifu*k bills wife on the way out.
It’s so depressing watching somebody refer to $17 an hour as a good wage. I feel horrible for this guy’s situation
As a Mexican with a Masters degree, I would consider $10 American dollars per hour as an excellent wage.
@@leonardo899 that's so sad 😐
@@leonardo899 well you don't know your worth...
@@steveymcneckbeard It's impossible in Mexico to get a new job without giving out the names and phone numbers of your previous bosses. They actually don't care whether or not you worked well, they actually want to know if you ever complain about something. If you ever stand up for yourself or asked for a better salary, that makes you unemployable.
@@leonardo899 $10 in Mexico might be equal to $20/hr where this guys lives
The employee has better communication skills then the manager.
Isn’t that always the case? Managers aren’t skilled they’re just great robots.
@@Fillup82 middle managers are yes men
Isn't that the truth?
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OK JR.
The *_corporate speak_* has escalated quickly since back in around 2010.
I thought the absolute peak of *corpotyranny* was when I witnessed a factory force nicotine tests for employees, and bar leaving the premises on lunch.
My recent experiences, and what I've heard employers say about people getting paid enough to just *_get by,_* has enlightened me.
Don’t forget how some corporations control the local store AC remotely.
This is a true story as told to me by my wife. The hardest working guy at her previous place of employment was called into the manager's office for an ... assessment, to wit he was told he wasn't working hard enough. Midway through the manager's bullshit, the chap simply arose from his seat, walked out of the office, went to the changing room, put on his hat and coat, and walked out of the building, never to seen or heard from again. It's the coolest thing I've ever heard, and I simply wish I had been there to witness it. I've since incorporated the technique into my own mindset and behavior, to great effect. God, how I frakking hate work and everything connected to it.
" God, how I frakking hate work and everything connected to it." Work is obsolete.
@@NeverTalkToCops1 ... it's going that way; people worldwide have had enough.
I did the same at a kangaroo court "hearing" at a college. If they're not being serious, why waste your time playing with children?
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That's exactly how it's done! You dont like my performance then you can do it yourself, it's that simple. These people act like there's not multimillions of jobs in the USA. It like a complaining girlfriend, like there's not millions of other girls to hangout with in the USA than you.
Pro tip: you are LEGALLY ENTITLED to every record they have about you. They cannot legally refuse you to have a copy of any of those documents.
Yep, that "employee file" the review goes into - you're supposed to be able to get all that information, not just the review.
I just got taken off the schedule for my bartending job even though I just started and it was for three weeks and when I emailed prior asking why I’m not on the schedule or if I was still working those days they didn’t respond to me and I decided to write a bad review of my experience there and how they don’t train you or treat you properly and things like how I had no POS number to ring up my customers on my first day off training by myself, etc. and when I went in to ask why I was taken off the schedule without an answer they got really angry with me sending me to the office saying a bunch of things that weren’t true saying how I was an asshole doing no call no show and that I didn’t show up on my day schedule, and when I said to them you took me off the schedule, and when I asked why you didn’t answer me they cut me off and said that I was an asshole because of the bad review I wrote, and that they were trying so hard to delete it and that it was against company policy and I literally looked at them and said I really don’t care. I want to know why I was taken off the schedule and you’re not answering me and they just had that angry look in their eyes saying how I am a terrible person and that you should not include this on your résumé or references, etc. and I was blown away at how stupid this fucking company was my buddy said that I should’ve recorded it for legal reasons and put it on the Internet to expose them but unfortunately I did not have time to pull up my phone and record.
This isn’t s not true. That file, and everything in it s the property of the company. They would be foolish to refuse to supply you with a copy of anything you signed. Of course if you file a lawsuit against the company, the entire file can be subpoenaed.
You act like employers like this actually care about what is legal.
Yeah I asked for my file and I got back a folder with one page about me that was only my personal information I submitted when I was hired. Clearly they were lying and withheld my information l.
As a Manager myself, at this point, you end that review as quickly as possible and you go to whoever is this guy's boss. Bill is not a Manager. Bill is a narcissist on a power trip. Managers out there... don't be Bill. Your job is to take care of those in your charge, not take advantage of them.
the job to manage is for the effect of maximizing efficiency to profitability . those outdated dinosaurs rarely did more than create environment for what we're seeing as the collapse of the american economy .
doing business involves keeping people happy , part of keeping customers happy is incentivizing employees to be at the top of their game to that end . attempting to create an oppressive regime as guise for maintaining wages at unlivabley low levels serves only to satiate a nearsighted low productivity situation which cannot be overcome by the blatant ploy of commissioned sales . encouraging sales staff to attain higher levels of sales technique is rarely achieved by proverbially "whipping the slaves to work harder" consumers are far more astute especially with high technology items and certainly more intuitive discerning pressure sales and outright desperation .
I supervise around 20 employees and I’m always there to listen to them and listen to their and I’m always proud to sign a raise paper. But the one thing I’m proud of most is making sure my employees are taken care of as far as food or drink my employees work in negate degree temps for long periods of times in the winter and high degree days with no shade I make sure my employees have hand warmers and coats and make sure everyone has their gloves but most importantly when we go into downtime make sure they are fed.
this might be true in some places. but never in any place i have ever worked. the fact is, is that in many complanies a manager is given a "budget" that he is able to spend on his dept every year. what remains of that budget at the end of the year becomes their bonus. so you see, they are incentivized to make every excuse to not promote or give raises, and to con their employees into taking on more and more responsibility with no compensation for it because they can give them empty promises of compensation/promotions later if they "do better". all so the manager can earn more on his own bonus.
@@rytramprophet843 I would disagree. A Manager is middle management and is not privy to any sort of overall budget constraints. He/she is given goals to either upkeep or exceed given the market/ region data of the year prior and projection. A Manager is not given an and all/ be all number to work within. If for nothing else, because that number may change quarterly. Sometimes easily. Again, given the business. A Manager's main responsibility is to the employees. A Manager builds the environment in which they run their part of the business. If you're speaking to cost control, efficiency, productivity, etc... in regards to budget, then yes... the Manager has control over those things.
It sounds to me like you've worked for companies that over-extended themselves.
A manager's job is to serve his employees. When the employees do well, the manager looks good.
Good for you Austin. I'm not sure how old he is but definitely a valuable lesson to be learned. I remember I was about 21 or so, working for Home Depot and had been put in a supervisory position when my Team Lead was fired. I stepped up, took over the role, was well-regarded by the other staff and even the Assistant Managers I worked for. I asked for a meeting with management to include the Store Manager. I prepared, came with substantive, demonstrable examples and presented my case asking for A) an official title and B) compensation commensurate with that role. I was flat out told no by the Store Manager with no perceptible consideration. Not even "we'll look into it" or "we'll see what the budget can tolerate" or "this is a bad time" or some other platitude. Just no. At that point - presented with the "where did I go wrong, how could they not see the logic here", I could feel my eyes welling up and my emotional state deteriorating. I was too invested in the outcome and didn't even consider that it wouldn't go my way. So, before I lost total composure in front of all the store's authoritative figures, I let them know I would no longer be fulfilling that role and that they'd need to find someone else. They found a guy willing to do the work for the same $1 premium we all had from working overnights.
The reason that he does not get fired instantly is that the company actually cannot afford to fire him. They are just hoping that he actually won't quit.
I don't think I could have done the whole two week or one week notice thing. I probably would have told Bill that we cannot come to an agreeable compromise, and I'd have to let him go. Effective immediately.
Naw man, the company has nothing invested in him and sees him as easily replaceable, they want to keep him, but they don't actually value him.
Theres a psychology aspect to business moves and your employee. Some people literally are non confrontational and will not stand up and speak their mind to people of authority over them.
With the other guy quitting and the employer having to do this arbitrary performance review that happened to need to be done. The manager is trying to look good to HIS boss like hey, this guy accepted his training wage and we're theyre gonna fight over picking up xxxxs slack for a raise lmaoooo.
Also firing him without cause allows him to collect unemployment
@@S14zenkiQs Thats because the man is incompetent and doesn't realize how much they have invested in their 'replaceable' employees.
I just accepted a new job with 15k pay increase from my last job. These videos keep me so motivated that I made the right choice. Staying at my last company would have never gave me the pay I needed. Never stop Josh. You motivated this 26 year old to see my value.
Congratulations!
Congrats! That’s amazing. Good for you! Glad to see that this channel is helping folks!
I’m in the exact same boat dude! Currently studying for interviews that if l get the job would pay me 15k more than lm currently getting paid, for a software engineer role. Companies need to learn to PAY THEIR STAFF WHAT THEYRE WORTH!
Agreed! It's also worth mentioning if your company matches or surpasses the competition's offer (in salary and responsibility), never accept it. Things will go wrong from there.
They will know that you aren't as loyal to the company. Good on you! 🙂
Get into sales guys. You don’t have to deal with people like this as much because you’re paid based on how much you bring in rather than how much some fat desk jockey thinks you should be paid
Performance is insufficient for a raise, but they are still considering him for management. Seems legit
Silver Fox. True! Hahahaha.
Yeah, that was a fragile ego lashing out and nothing more, hoping to hurt the guy by dangling what he thought of as a prize. You just know he made it up on the spot.
That's a trap they want to have a manager without giving him the salary of a manager.
If this is in Georgia, they want to see someone take a "manager" position for $10 an hour.
Accepting a higher position for an increase in pay and getting a raise are two different things. They probably don't feel like his work in his current position could make them any more money like it could in a management position. It is a business after all and their goal is to make MONEY, not coddle you and read you bed time stories
I had a similar situation and knew the confrontation was coming so I started working a part time job in the afternoon at a place I would also like to work. When the day came for my main job to give me a raise after 3 months and my boss said it was going to have to be put off for awhile. I asked how long and he said maybe in the next 3 months. So I stood up and told him I’ll be back in a little while and walked out. I got in my car and drove to the other job and talked to the boss there and told him I wanted to work full time here for this much an hour and I’ll be the best employee you have. The boss at my second job looked at me, smirked and nodded his head and asked when can you start full time. I said tomorrow and he stood up and shook my hand and said he was going to hold me to the best employee part. I then drove back to my other job and walked into my bosses office and laid my work badge on his desk and told him I quit, I found a better job and have a nice life and walked out with a smile on my face. I met my wife at the other job and we’re still married today with 2 wonderful kids.
Reviews are a tool used to lay people off. Period.
Companies with revolving doors review their employees multiple times a year.
Also, being transparent with HR is like telling your enemy your secrets.
You've all been warned!
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Definitely! I fell into this trap 20yrs ago! Nothings changed, they fcuk you over as much as they can.
Reviews are a tool used to lay people off lol no
@@grimsvaultstreaming3956 Absolutely. You're not a child in school anymore. You are a professional. You know how to do your job. Performance reviews have little to do about work. It's about control.
Every company I worked for that reviewed employees every quarter (4x a year) had a policy of 2 consecutive bad reviews equals automatic layoff. Also each team was FORCED to give 1 employee a bonus and 1 team member a fail... even if you deserved a bonus! All teams of 2 were forced to rotate who gets the bottom place each quarter to protect themselves.
@@jonathanmarois9009 At my company feedback is sourced anonymously from coworkers, and for points that weren't great, I'm always walking out of those reviews with actual concrete plans how to improve them. It's not performance reviews themselves that suck, it's the companies you chose to work at. Period.
I love the second job part.
My first corporate job out of school paid me about $14 an hour - I was handling $3M worth of invoices per week. I wanted to live on my own so I was truly living paycheck-to-paycheck to afford rent/car/phone etc. I decided to take a second job at a nearby restaurant and when my boss found out she called me into her office and said, 'I heard you're taking the job at X, and I can tell you the executive team is going to wonder why our people are working two jobs.'
I literally laughed at her - those 'executives' were driving foreign cars, making well into the six figures but the kid making $14 is supposed to accept the $400 a week or so I was making. My response, and the only thing I said, 'I have a college degree, took this job because there was 'upward mobility' but that only means more work, same pay.'
The only way you get raises anymore is to job hope. Sad but true, there is no loyalty on their part anymore.
Truth
"because you don't fucking pay us enough"
I would of offered to explain it to the executives personally.
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As an owner if I heard one of my managers talk the way Bill did I would fire him on the spot. And performance reviews were the first thing I had our HR cut because they are worthless. Managers should be offering instant feedback from their staff every day because they lead from the front and not the rear. Any manager that needs a performance review to know how the employee is working is not working themselves. Hire ups need to be on the ground with staff because that is how you learn about your customers which in turn can lead to increased sales and revenue for the company. You get too far up in the Ivory Tower you start to forget things. This employee did nothing wrong in the slightest. Glad to see he stood up for himself.
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@@robertbolstad9465 if people in personnel/hr genuinely had company's best interest at heart, that in itself would make up for a lot. but most don't. most only seek to feather their own nests.
a theory for lesser-competent people in personnel/hr would be "___ is no good in sales department, put them in personnel/hr, they'll at least know what sales department needs for their people, and if they don't wash out completely, we won't have to fire them."
it ranks with using customer service as way to haze employees into that company's cushy or actual career jobs. like really, you put customer relations into hands of people you pay minimum wage to 'handle problems' with a 3-5 minute average handle time? and you wonder why people dread calling your company?
I'm working for a union overseas right now, even during the pandemic they didn't do major layoffs or entirely cut salaries. Everyone came back to work when things reopened and while constrained we've all persevered. When you treat people right, they do right. IF they don't, they wouldn't have anyway.
In most companies, performance reviews exist to provide a paper trail, so that if they decide to fire the employee later on, they can use the PR to justify the firing in case the employee applies for unemployment or files a discrimination or harassment lawsuit. THAT is why Bill won't let him get a copy.
I agree on the performance reviews. They are pretty much all crap. They should be discretely measurable or precisely to job duties. IE attendance, etiquette, skill. I had to grade my reports on leadership, cooperation, logical thinking. What constitutes a 4 instead of a 5 on "Logical thinking" for someone who issues invoices? How can I back that up? How can they improve?
This was infuriating and amazing at the same time. I'm having so many flashbacks from my own experiences over my 30+ years of work, and it makes me sick.
Same. Lots of toxic managers out there.
@@webguy943 Got a new job I was very qualified for, having had years of all over a restaurant experience, and my manager (first restaurant job) told me in the first week that I "looked like a guy he hated in college". I just said "Well, I sure hope WE can work past that." He, of course, ended up being a nightmare of spite and incompetence.
The employee was SO respectful in his requests and and questions were reasonable. What a jerk boss.
problem is employees take the shit from these little wannabe bosses
Being respectful and reasonable before somebody who shows you neither of those things isn’t admirable, it’s foolishness.
The employee had his tail between his legs. He was weak and deserved to be run over like he was!
"If you had been more humble"
Holy crap this guy was already well above and beyond polite, respectful, and humble about bringing up these issues.
Douche canoe was full of gaslighting and BS. I'm glad Austin walked. I bet he found a much, much better job than with that place.
I think ol' Bill has confused humble for grovel. ....but he wouldn't have changed his decision anyway.
I love that he said that when he rudely responded "This is not a negotiation"
@@TrainWatcherDon Yeah, that whole humble/grovel confusion seems to be very common in corporate America. I had worked for a company that had very similar views - that we should take all their shit on the chin and thank them for the opportunity to do so. In 2008, they even sent out a memo telling us to do so. 2008 was a BAD year for that company, and for all of us working there at that time. The economy was tanking, and our union contract was being negotiated when everything started crashing down. The company saw the collapsing economy as a way to screw over the union and employees. They tried avoiding ratifying the contract we had already negotiated, but then decided "Fine, we'll just find reasons to fire unionized workers and hire people will to not join the union.." We came in to work one day to find memos taped to our desks (because the company only trusted some of us with access to the internet and emails and printing rights -because they were afraid people would out them and their stupidity.... But then they gave those same people the printed record they needed anyhow..) so, yeah. Anyhow, this memo stated, and I quote "For every one of you in these seats today, just be mindful that there are at least a dozen people banging on our doors, BEGGING for jobs at half the rate. You're not owed a job here."
Most of us read the writing on the wall, and began looking elsewhere for jobs (and considering most of us had degrees in the healthcare field, it was stupid of them to assume we had no other options). That company essentially went under and was bought off by their main competitor who shut them down less than a year after they handed out that memo. They went from being a Fortune 50 company to a forgotten relic of the not so distant past.. If only they had been more humble, and not expect us to grovel.
Yeah, I loved that comment. Bill was remembering everything the dude said AFTER he told him he wasn't getting any more money and nothing before that.
I was once fired from a grocery store, where I was the only cross trained and putting hours into stocking, deli, meat cutting assistant, and seafood. I was also the only teenage employee taking college courses with specific schedule requirements. They didn’t like that. I showed up on my scheduled shift and they said I misread the schedule, missed my shift, and fired me on the spot. What they didn’t know was that there was a schedule copy hung in the meat department office. So I grabbed it and said that they’re either lying or misinformed. They then physically ripped the page out of my hands and said that was company property, and escorted off premises.
That was 15 years ago. Since then I’ve been a shift manager, store manager, graduated to become an engineer, worked as an intern and full time salaried employee for many years now. I have NEVER had a positive evaluation resulting in a raise beyond the minimum or average, sometimes no raise at all, no matter how much documentation and reviews I had to show my performance. My current high salary was only achieved by quitting and using experience for higher base pay. There’s always an excuse, even if it’s because one out of the hundreds of assignments you had that year was a day late. I used to be the most loyal and cringy go getters at every company. Typical buttoned up goody white boy that I always hated being. Now I literally don’t give a shit and don’t want to work for anyone. I don’t care to climb the ladder and manage others like I used to. I used to do STEM outreach in classrooms to be a role model for kids and encourage them to chase their dreams. I stopped doing that because I found out there is no dream job… just dread, depression, and tolerance. Now my message to kids is to find a way to have confidence, conquer fear, and do things that make them happy… things I’m trying to figure out for myself.
Evaluations are bull$hit. You left the job and got a raise. Awesome.
I realized this after so many broken promises from bosses! The best way to get more money is to get a year experience in your resume then quit and get a much higher pay somewhere else! Don't understand why it's this way?!? They prefer to let their best workers leave just to save a little bit of money!!
I had a review as an engineer and was all set to receive an above average review which meant an above average raise. My review was supposed to be based on the number of projects completed which is an objective number. My boss literally changed the number of projects I completed to less than I actually completed so that I wouldn’t receive an above average review. This resulted in a 2% raise instead of the 5% I should’ve received based on the objective data. So yes, reviews are mostly bull$hit.
99.99% of the time you get more money by leaving
@@benbatres5855 They look at short term goals and fast profits. Toxic in long run for anyone who stays long.
Well done video. I’m 54, and this made me think back to many instances where meetings like this went either very well, or sideways. I’ve worked for “Bill” before. His type are trash.
Dude he stood up for himself is what a man with self respect.
No company is loyal to their employees. Just like every employee is replaceable, every employer is replaceable. Do what's best for you. Always look for better opportunities. Always have options in your pocket and be ready to exercise them.
Yep, and always, always, always actually KNOW what you're worth. You can't afford to either over or under estimate that. The only way to know that is to get out there and interview (it's good to keep the skills up too).
Agreed. I take my full vacation every year, because I know it could be the last. At least the vacation pay is required by the State Labor board. 🎉
People NEED to point out the low wage to their employers and shame them with their competition. Good on him.
that only works if people have a sense of shame. companies do not.
Yeah that was a good move.
@@STScott-qo4pw That's why you do it w competition. Having other options. That's negotiation.
That argument makes no sense. If there is a better employment option somewhere else then go work there. The employer is offering him a certain amount of money to do a specific job. If the guy doesn't feel it's fair to do those tasks for that amount of pay then he can go work somewhere else. Nobody is forcing him to work at that particular business.
@@slicedbread5692 That has nothing to do with my post.
Worse, in my view, are the "self" reviews. If you give yourself a good rating, you're arrogant and overstating your performance. If you give yourself a poor rating, you're an admitted underperformer. If you give yourself an average rating, there's no reason to give you a raise. It's lose-lose-lose.
Never give ultimatums to your job, just make ultimate decisions.
Sometimes the goal is to get fired for severance and unemployment, but I agree overall
When you give them an ultimatum at work, they'll make sure to mark that down in your "case file" as "threatens and gives ultimatums", or some variation of that. I know that for a fact because I've actually seen some employee reviews at my former workplace.
@@Bella.Parabellum But you're gone, so, whatever they thought of you doesn't matter.
@@hyena280 Yeah, but the person that gives ultimatums sometimes plans to stay longer, thinking that the ultimatum may work. And it wasn't my review, btw, I just managed... to get my hands on some while looking for mine, let's just say 😆
This. You control your destiny.
The moment Bill said, "This is non-negotiable," that's when I would have taken myself to Target or Walmart. Don't ever tell them your plans and don't show loyalty. Especially after they lied to you about a 90 Day Performance Review that basically promised a higher wage. If they're not loyal to you; you have no reason to be loyal to them.
My mother always told me "Respect is a two-way street; it goes both ways."
AMEN!! Best advice ever. I wish I would have known that sooner in my work life. Don't ever break your back or, strain your mind & body for a company that doesn't even know your name & replace will you at any second..
Fun story, I was told by a boss at my 1 year review I wouldn't not be getting the promotion and raise that came with it as promised. Said I really didn't do that great of a job, which was a lie I had learned 4 different positions by that time. And get this, she Literally offered me a .07 cent raise. I quit on the spot. Walked out and went to the office and told the president I quit and that my review was bs. They even called me a few times trying to get me to come back 😆
.07 cent raise omg, in a year you could not buy coke at work. 😂
WTF
I did the same brother, they made me do 2 extra tasks, each worth an extra dollar an hour. When I asked for a raise, was told no, walked out on the spot. I'm not doing more for something I'm not paid for and you just said I wasn't worth my value and I was "overpaid." Meanwhile my previous job paid me 19 dollars an hour, they were paying me 11 and I was cool with 13. I'm currently about to make 20+ an hour not even a year later but they didn't get it. I also work from home instead of doing all the heavy ass lifting they required which would easily damage your body.
I have learned after many instances just like this one throughout my career, that you should never be nice when this type of dialogue begins with management. Get angry, curse, and get in their face. Scare them, and then tell them to f off. I have never regretted that when i did it. However i have always regretted allowing employers to treat me harshly. I wish i never allowed that.
The new assertiveness of workers no longer accepting the same old same old is refreshing... employers needed this wake up call.
"I have pulled money out of my own wallet for people and their families, so yeah, I am a caring individual" As someone who grew up with a narcissist in the family, they always jump at the chance to bring up good deeds they've done in the past and how 'good' of a person they are, as if it justifies their shitty behaviour. Good rule of thumb, if someone has to remind you that they're a good person, they're probably not.
Exactly. If someone has to tell you what they are, (nice, humble, smart, tough) they're usually not.
Yeah that was akin to throwing a dollar to a homeless person and going around all day boasting about it.
@@SimonAyers hey! I resemble that remark!
@@SimonAyers The homeless make more than anyone...great sales people really...
@@jneusbaum3697 I used to be a soft touch for beggars. Then I saw one go 'off shift' and climb into a BMW. Now I know there's people who actually need the money, but there's also vermin like that flat-out exploiting compassion.
"Money isn't everything."
"Tell that to my bills"
Fuck if it ain’t.
PREACH!
maybe you have bills you don't need.... living within your means is key!
Can we have a rule? 'You Must Be In X Tax Bracket to have the "Money Isn't everything" 'chat. No one in that room is in the bracket to be having that chat. Seriously.
@@asiabrew81 I would disagree im not wealth and definitely have taken pay cuts to keep in a happy job. For example, I was running the firearm section for a few years. One day off making bank fr. But I hated it. Now I make way less, honestly just enough to afford my life, however the job I have now is far more valuable to me than the extra money I would of had. I instruct jiujitsu full time. So I would say money isn’t everything. My TIME is.
If Ga is anything like NC (where I’m from), it’s a “right to work” state. You only be as loyal to the job as they are to you. If money is an issue, find a better paying job and leave. You don’t owe that current employer an explanation (any more than they owe you one when they tell you to “kick rocks” or “pound sand”).
Btw, there’s no reason to bullshit with these employers. Bill sounds like a manager I dealt with in the past. Only difference is I let my 2-week notice do the talking.
No bullshit I was in a eerily similar situation . Had my performance review . I outperformed the big boss so my review was average . Literally people will become physically sick. Managers are often inept at their job. They need to justify their existence
When I laughed at my review my former employer said “ this is not a laughing matter . This is your review which doesn’t look good “
So this was my response
“ it is laughable because I know more than you and that’s offensive to you. You don’t want to look bad so you will come up with a way to control
How others see me . In addition as of this very moment I no longer work for the company “
This is what my boss replied
“ Dude you have to give 2 week notice . “
Me : “ no I actually don’t . State and federal law does not specifically state this . Plus if you fire me will
You give me 2 weeks notice ?”
Not only did I walk out, I got in my 72 vette did the biggest burnout in the staff parking lot and never looked back
Legend
King.
They burn people out so you gave them a sick burnout. Now that's a way to leave a job lol.
Cool story bro
One for the internet history
I had an area supervisor position for a security company and I was being paid $13.75/hour. I had four sites under my control and I had to drive 120 miles to hit all four of them. On my own gas. On my own time. I was offered a position with another company, armed, driving a company vehicle, for $15/hour.
I turned them down to remain loyal to the first company. And I ended up being “asked to resign in lieu of termination” about two or three months later because I was being sexually harassed by an employee.
NEVER REMAIN LOYAL TO A COMPANY THAT WONT BE LOYAL TO YOU!!!
NEVER EVER. God I wish I had learned this so much earlier in life.
no company is ever going to be loyal to you unless you start your own company.
But how would you know they weren’t gonna be Loyal you UNTIL IT HAPPENED?!?
Like this case he didn’t know how scummy they were UNTIL AFTER HE TURNED DOWN A BETTER JOB!
So do you mean ……BE LOYAL TO NO JOB OR COMPANY?!?
Yes that would make sense.
Cuz the other way you stated makes no sense.
Any moron wouldn’t keep being loyal after being crapped on I WOULD HOPE…..
then again many will keep doing that cuz…..issues
Never resign. Always make them fire or lay you off. UNEMPLOYMENT!
@@puggirl415 Agreed! That and they will have to explain why they are firing you instead of the person sexually harassing you. Go to the EEOC, social media, the news, etc. Put pressure on them
This kind of nonsense happens in all fields. I'm a mechanic and, right now, the market is very good for us. Worked for a large corporate chain, being paid somewhat less than I was worth. Went looking around, lined up an interview, guy offered me 150% of what I was making on the spot. Went in to work the next day asked to talk to my boss, didn't tell him anything about the job offer but was like "look, all these shops are hiring at X and you're paying me Y. What can you do?" Boss kind of laughs and says "we can't get anywhere near that." Put in my 2 weeks on the spot. All these companies out there saying they can't keep people, this is why.
Surprised you gave them two weeks lol
Goes on in 100k+ jobs to. You can exceed your position requirements and get average ratings. McDonalds pays $15 an hour where I'm at.
@@dogelife7901 Me too. They fire without notice yet employees are supposed to be courteous and put in a 2 week notice? Hell no.
I left a job in 2021 after being loyal for 12 years. They gave everyone a cost of living increase except for management. Some of the people I was managing were making more than me even though I also filled in doing the same jobs as needed. I left and got a $3 increase by changing companies.
@@Treddian Worked at same place for 30+ years. They pay me well. I really can't complain. Since 2009 it has been flat 2% pay increase every year.
This happened to me in the U.K. I took a job with the guarantee that my salary would increase after successfully passing 3 months probation. When it came to my 3 month appraisal my manager said she was going to extend my probation because she hadn’t seen enough of my work to put me through. She had basically left me 2 weeks after I started to fend on my own while she went on vacation. I made a formal complaint and she was sacked within weeks. Apparently a lot of previous evidence against her with HR. I’m still with the company 14 years later. Stand your ground guys!
Bill's whole vibe really says it all. He's so tight about not even $1k of backpay bc it's not about the money, it's about putting dude "in his place". He legit took being called out and questioned as a personal attack.
It's the Godfather thing: They keep saying nothing is personal, it's strictly business. Yet everything involving business or bad news is perceived and acted upon as being insanely personal, because they're the ones in the driver's seat. It's a human mask that serves the purpose of disarming the employee, but also to give the one wearing it a sense of control and right-being no matter how often they lie or how callously they treat others.
Because he is a weak man at the core.
@@robert301990 man? he's a man-child
Well its a cycle of abuse you know, when the submitter called him out he kinda threatened his ability to do his job. Which the manager has probably had to put up with the same gaslighting he is thrusting onto his employees to even get to. The middle manager's only real consolidation prize for having to put up with this cycle of abuse is the power trip. The dude is literally just too old and trapped by his own preconceptions so he is threatened by this new employee shining a light on how deeply sad this life he has chosen to live is.
If they give in to one employee then all the employees are going to want the same deal.
If Josh’s channel, and this kind of material had been around in my 20s, I would be so much richer today. Youngsters are very lucky to have channels like this to learn from . Thanks for sharing the audio!
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You say lucky cause y'all fucked the world up and now everything is incredibly sophisticated and colleges don't teach what we need.
@@ColtonSpace lol what
@@ColtonSpace Everyone needs to learn by themselves. I went to University for 3 years and didn’t learn anything relevant to my job. I learnt everything I needed to AFTER I started working. Then in 2016 onwards, I learnt more in the last 5 years on TH-cam and online courses than my entire life up to that point. The education system is dead, it’s just going to take a few more years for parents, teachers and lecturers to realise it.
@@thebritishindian1 I completely believe you. Just getting a foundation to build your knowledge shouldn't include everything you don't need to know plus 50-100k of unforgivable student debt. Or whatever it is.
I've found "job reviews" to be insulting in general.
You could be knocking it out day after day and there is no way an employer would acknowledge it.
They can't. It's not in their interest to openly document your actual performance.
unless you have dinner and drinks together, and you happen to be friends lol...thats pretty much how it works in corporate
@@mariolee9449 I’ve done this hated it because I was getting my masters and I was working 12 hours at a store I wanted my time off they try to bribe and satisfy me to do more work due to their incompetence. Stay away from companies like this !
This is why in civilized countries you get union rates and union pay.
Back in the day, in my country becoming an accountant required university degree (bachelor or master) and one of my friends eventually became an accountant in a large European corpo. And one day she mentioned, almost crying that she wants a raise, but she doesn't know what to put in the self-assessment (prior to performance review) to justify the request. She said that people declare that they will "improve" and "make less accounting mistakes", and there I was sitting, thinking "What if someone is crazy autistic and pedantic and makes no mistakes? Do they have to declare, they will make less than 0 mistakes in the next quarter?". It's bullshit, you just do what you gotta do and give it your 100%, the employer already has a reason to give you a raise, it's called "wanting to keep you hired".
@@mac1991seth
Did your friend get the promotion. It's heartbreaking that jobs cause people to cry. It should be as simple as exchanging your time for money.
Heard almost exactly the same spill myself. That's when it's time to look at other options, I won't work for a liar, it never works out good, it showers a complete lack of character. Gotta say though I'd be really tempted to tell the manager to quit pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.
Unfortunately, you can never come back from this. After being in the corporate environment for 30 years, it doesn’t make a difference if you are good or bad at your job. It is if they like you or not. Performance is usually secondary. There is not much respect for staff. Everyone is replaceable and people don’t care if you are the most productive.
Although I agree with most of what you said, I don't think managers necessarily don't value the work of employees, they may not understand the amount of work. Good managers understand the work being done, and can appreciate the value of it. How can you possibly accurately address whether or not someone is good at their job if you are not intimately familiar with the work they do.
This manager is clearly not valuing the work being done, either through not understanding the work being done or trying to squeeze as much blood from that stone.
This has been my experiences.Screw corporate & the wo/man
I like to bust ass & provide quality & quantity.
Management straight up lies about raises & straight up has told me that I'm replaceable.
All I could do is agree & remind them that everyone is replaceable, what's that got to do with being dishonest about a raise?
Sometimes a guy is better off working directly for the owner of a smaller outfit.
They tend to appriciate the work a person puts in.
You gotta watch out for the crazies.
The guy who lost an arm or an eye, sacraficed it for his business & expects you to make the same sacrafice!
I could tell some stories!
Apathy is the entire problem.
Worker oppression leads to revolution,
An undereducated massive underclass does not choose its charismatic leaders so well.
Trust fund kids gonna wreck the ship and hog the life rafts while you shrug your shoulders.
Yes. Everyone is replaceable. IF you don't like it, quit. I'll hire a guy from india for half your wage. lmao. This is the problem with your generation. All you think about is moneymoneymoney, mememe. No. YOU don't get to decide what WE pay you.
@@litrogue6328 yes we do that's why alot of these jobs is being closed down and sued. My boss tried to cut my salary in half because me and my girlfriend live in a rent subsided appartment. and I had to quit then threatened to rob my boss if he didn't pay me the money he owed me. Lucky he was smart enough and paid because I would of robbed and killed him if he did not
One time, my supervisor asked me to do the job of a lead that was out sick that day and I told him that's not my job and he got upset. I flipped the script and asked him if he would do the job of the CEO for the same pay as he's making now and he wouldn't answer me.
"you dare use my own spells against me?" xD
What if he says yes I'll do the job of CEO for same pay for one day
1then you say "then do the job you were asking me to do, it wouldn't be a problem because if you are willing to do a CEO job, then you can do this job which is principle lower than the level of a CEO"
Plot twist: the ceo is on vacation probably
Because he knew what you were asking would be unfair
He made them fire him and can now collect unemployment while he looks for another job. Sounds fine to me.
Damn. Western world. "Unemployment money".
how does the unemployment fees work? Asking as a non-American. Can you only collect them if your sacked?
@@SpareSomeChange8080 yeah Employment Insurance (EI) so if you get let go or leave a job due to something that isn’t a big part of the job or is unsafe and employers say it’s your job you file claiming
@@SpareSomeChange8080 It depends on the particular state law and circumstances. You can always collect unemployment payments if your boss lays you off for any reason. If you get fired for misconduct (for example, not showing up on time, acting in an unsafe manner, theft, harassment, etc.) then you can't collect unemployment payments, unless you can prove that the misconduct you were fired for did not actually occur, but was a false claim by the employer (employers *will* sometimes falsify reports of misconduct). If you quit, then you can't get unemployment, unless you can demonstrate you quit for a good cause (eg. unreasonable expectations from your boss, substantial reduction in scheduled hours, unsafe or hostile work environment, etc.).
The reason that this is so complicated, and why employers will do things like falsify causes for termination, is that in nearly all states, employers are required to pay unemployment insurance to former employees. The payment process is managed by the government, which collects and disburses the unemployment funds, but the funds come from the former employer via a state-mandated unemployment insurance fees. Only three states pay unemployment out of worker's taxes.
@@SpareSomeChange8080 depends on the state, in the state of Massachusets (and i think in Georgia too) you can collect if you were fired, UNLESS you were fired for willful misconduct. In this case Austin did not break any 'rules' per se. So i doubt the place could claim he did any acts of misconduct ; You may also collect unemployment if you were laid off.
As for fees, unemployment money is taxed, just like a paycheck, and it is only ~60% of what you were earning.
I told my boss to " Bite me " two weeks later I started my own business. 30 years ago. I am now retired and enjoying my pension.
I remember, many years ago in my early 20's, when an employer decided to cut our pay by 1 dollar. We argued about it and the manager decided to get angry. He said "It's just a dollar! You're telling me a dollar matters?" And all of us were like "... if it doesn't matter, why are you taking it from us?"
Like the logic of "money isn't everything" when the other party is trying to pay less doesn't make sense at all. It's like if I get cheated on and my gf says "sex isn't everything." Well then why did you cheat on me????
Corporate mentality: a dollar matters to them and their 50 foot yacht, but not the employee and their paycheck to paycheck existence.
its more like if money isnt everything then give me more of it. Why wont you part with your money? its not everything.
Huge red flag when the boss doesn't give him a copy of the performance review. When I worked in middle management I made sure the people I oversaw got copies of everything we would go for in any performance review, feedback coaching, etc.
Yes, because the employer doesn't want the employee holding it over their head when they've made good on their promises to change for the better. It's a sneaky tactic.
Companies: "why can't we find workers?!"
Also companies:
Labour shortage, we need to get kids working part time jobs till 11 pm.
same companies still do like 10 interviews, plenty of qualifiers, and don't hire any of them.
Employers have ALWAYS whinged they cannot find workers...it's bs
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It’s a wage shortage lol
Just fyi for the younger people out there, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A COPY OF ANY PERSONAL PAPERWORK YOU NEED TO SIGN. Or at the very least they have to tell you where you can find it online or tell you who can get you that information. If they want you to sign it, demand a copy. Refusing to sign could have consequences, so be careful. Check to see what your state says specifically.
Same here. I got a $28 hourly with expectations to do $30 after 90 days. Also, one guy was retiring, their was no team, I was the only one, everyone else on the design team worked remote but when I asked they said no we don’t want to lose you because it’s happened before but that’s a lie cause everybody on the team worked remote! And guess what? 90 days came and went. I went somewhere else and got $37 hourly!
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Awesome job man, congrats!
Congrats!! In what area do you reside? I'm also a designer, in SoCal. I just got bumped from $21 to $22 per hour (per inflation) but my raise was declined as well :/ Looking for better options, but everyone around my area is offering around $20 per hour or less.
@@tiffanyhuerta9637 I’m a Mechanical Designer. Not Web Designer YET. What type of design do you do? I live in Inland Empire
@@tonysoprano6265 Ah I see! I'm a graphic designer working in-house
I just had a battle at my work because we had a guy retire and they where acting like I was just going to step in and take over his job on top of mine. I made it PERFECTLY clear that would not happen with out more money.
Good! "We should discuss my title and compensation in light of this expectation." is as generous as I could get.
This happened to me as a remote employee, but they wanted me to come into the office because the guy that quit was required to have face-to-face meetings with clients.
"I was hired with the understanding that this job was fully-remote."
"Yes... But 'Guy' just quit so we need you to come in Monday through Thursday so that you can take over the client meetings. You can still have your Fridays fully remote."
(Try to reason with her for a minute (pro-tip- don't work for a female boss...) with no success)
"Well, if that's the case, then prepare to lose me as well, because I quit."
Bye Felicia!
@@calvinvastelli6792 Are you red pill or something? Ive had a couple female bosses who were better than any male boss I've had. Ive also had a bad female boss. People are people man they have different personalities and beliefs regardless of being male/female
@@calvinvastelli6792
I learned both those lessons too. Never take on more responsibility without compensation or you will be that overworked guy in the office who does all the work and gets all the shit.
And yes, never work for a female boss. Not saying they're all bad but if it goes left, they are incredibly sneaky and not above outright lying. The risk is not worth it. Bad male bosses can be incredibly shitty too, but there's not that soap opera angle to it. People who've gone through it know what I mean.
@@strangeclouds7 what does "red pilling" has to do a out anything in his comment? Doesn't make any sense what you said
On the topic of "You don't deserve two weeks," No. They don't. They never do. Any employer who asks if you are putting in a two week notice, you need to ask if they are going to give you a two week notice for being fired. This is a transactional affair. I am not working charity, here.
I live in a right to work state. If the company has treated me well and I'm leaving just for better opportunities they'll get at least 2 weeks. If I'm leaving because the company mistreats people they get a "today was my last day, I've removed my personal property from my office and left my badge with the receptionist" style note.
I give a To-day notice, as in I am leaving Today!
When I left my last two jobs. I gave them two weeks notice. I left because another opportunity came my way, and I was offered more money. Both of my previous employers responded by just removing me completely from the schedule, and the two weeks ment nothing to them. The two week notice should be replaced with a today only notice. Why should you give them two weeks when they pull this crap?
@@ericknoblauch9195 Yeah, not many companies have earned the expectation of a 2 week notice. I quit a couple jobs just by handing a resignation letter to the secretary and leaving. Having gathered up any personal belongings the days before. The last job I left I did give a one month notice. It had been a good company for over a decade. Upper management had changed and the place was going downhill fast. But my team and other people I worked with day to day weren't responsible for that and there was a lot of knowledge transfer to do. The place I'm at now, they've been fair to me so unless things change they'll get 2 weeks. But in general, if you can be fired/laid off without notice why should the company expect different behavior from you?
When middle managers gaslighting fails, they fire you and hire someone who falls for the gaslighting. It is an age old story and happens at every organization.
My daughter once had an HR person tell her to quit because they couldn’t give a raise that would even put her at the hiring wage of new people just coming in, so she could rehire her at the starting wage for incoming. Ridiculous that older employees should not be bumped up to the new wages!
I had a good review from HR and my supervisor. The only complaint was that I was not multitasking. I'm an accountant and need a quiet room not to make mistakes. What I'm supposed to do? Answer the phone while I'm doing accounting? By the way, I was working as an Accounts Payable and Accounts Receivable in addition to other Accounting and bookkeeping duties. My salary was $37,500. Cheap, cheap, cheap.... no raise. A few weeks later, the supervisor handed me a yellow envelope to take money to the bank. While she was at the meeting, I went to the bank. I come back from the bank, and she tells me, "I told you not to go to the bank." I noticed a bit of a fishy smell. I apologized, "I'm sorry, maybe I did not hear you.... then why did you hand me a yellow envelope? " She did not say anything and walked out of the room. By the Christmas season of last year, I realized the company was financially in trouble. In January of this year, I got laid off and my supervisor was demoted to an accounting associate position. Today, she is an accounting supervisor again, but an HR assistant is helping her. I feel bad about the HR assistant since accounting is not her job.
That sounds illegal. They could quite, then the boss could refuse to rehire. That's a lawsuit if it can be proven.
The HR rep is legit. This happens frequently and is always an issue with new vs veteran employees. And most employers are more than willing to accept re-hires because they're already trained and get right to work.
@@treshaw4122 That's depends on an industry and a type of work.
The trick is find new job first, then hand in notice if possible. Because it never ever improves. Also try to find out the employee turn over rate. Hi turn over means lousy employer.
I'm so happy he recorded this Convo. If they try to deny his unemployment he'll have this plus other stuff to back him up. That's another reason shitty evaluations exist.
Gotta be careful depending on what state you're in make sure you know your states law before using a recording in his case he's fine though Georgia is a 1 party state (only 1 person involved needs to consent)
I would just walk away workers are wanted.
Recording these interactions is incredibly important if you're not in one of the few states where it's illegal. While working in corporate banking, I've had to record a performance review and many meetings with a manager that was attempting to hold me back despite being the star of the team. He was known to say off the wall shit and told me that he was trying to keep me down so I couldn't leave the team. I took my recording to HR and send shockwaves to leadership. Within weeks, they moved me to another team with a 50% salary increase. There is nothing that scares people more than knowing they've been unknowingly recorded. It's a good psychological attack when done right. Check your state's right to record laws, but most states it's allowed as long as you don't leave the recorder alone in a room. It needs to be on your person unless you want some federal wiretapping charges which is not good lol.
I was gonna say - in California, he's get in trouble for wiretapping...@@gokublack8342
Unemployement dont protect s***...
I am in my fifties and I have honestly never heard of a 90 day performance review that wasn't about a raise. I mean, why else do the review in the first place if it isn't about rewarding the employee with a raise? If the employer was truly unsatisfied with the employee's performance, then why not call the meeting a disciplinary action rather than a performance review? Sounds to me like the employee made the right decision getting out of there now rather than wasting ten or twenty years of the most productive part of his life going nowhere.
Those are just so they can essentially nickel and dime you out of a well deserved raise. I have been through several reviews and they look for the most miniscule excuse to dock points and as a result you will not get a decent raise.
Most companies do a 90 day review to get rid of shit employees
@Steven Cooley I'm also in my 50s and back in the 90s and even 80s I know if they wanted to get rid of shit employees...they'd just can you, not wait for a "review ". The scheduled reviews were for ppl you KNEW were getting raises lol...
90 day reviews have nothing to with salary. Who gives raises after 90 days? 90 day reviews are to get rid bad employees early which is much easier from an hr perspective and time perspective. No job gives raises after 90 days.
@@Cappyy83 every place I've ever worked gave at least the same amount of a raise as the cost of the benefits.
Every job is apparently a sales job. I once went for an interview for a bank teller job. The interview turned out to be a group interview. It turned out to be very uncomfortable as it became clear that we were competing with each other to see who could upsell the best. Not what I was interested in at all.
"pEopLe aRe LAzY aNd DOnT wAnT tO WoRk." Here is how it is, the company doesnt care about your personal financial issues. It is NEVER a good idea to bring personal issues up to an employer. If an employer is not paying you what youre worth, then you simply need to get a different job. The Boss Bill is clearly stonewalling this whole conversation because he has a political/personal issue with people wanting a living wage.
Agree! I learned early on in a company eerily similar to this when I witnessed a manager sneer to his whole team about how one of their team members (who wasn't there at the time) had the audacity to ask him for a pay rise.
I had an employee who asked for a raise because they needed more money. They were my worst employee. I said no.To be fair, we already paid a living wage if $40-50k.
@@scoobydoobers23 I assume entry level. Pay raises beyond the COL adjustments should be expected by both employee and employer. If the position has a max and they're at it, then a discussion should be had about what they can do to take the next step.
@@praxton Agreed. She received raises above COL, and had actually just received a 10% bump after moving her from another department.
She was upset that younger people with college degrees made the same or more. I had advised her previously that further significant promotion required formal education.
@Christopher Huber Actually we were preparing to counsel them about poor performance. For more context read my response just above this one.
"Bill's not worth your tears" no boss is worth your tears. They are all trying to screw you over.
Truth, I have had some nice bosses but it was always a one way street and they were always taking and not giving a dime more.
And employers wonder why people are “quiet quitting“
And have you heard of the new surveillance tech employers are using to view their employees’ minute-to-minute performance? Yeah, “quiet quitting” is a thing of the past. Slowing down your past performance isn’t gonna work.
@@elstongunn4277 Typically as long as you're doing your job, they won't be able to do much. Like for instance, the lazy person is never asked to do anything extra because they know there will be push back, but the outstanding over-achiever? They will do the extra work no matter what, so they are assigned to it. However, you can wayne off that over-achiever status to just focus on what you are paid to do.
For example, the company I work at now pays me really well, they've given me 2x 30% raises in the last year (yes I had to ask for it, but ironically it started over a $200 yearly expense I would have to pay, and instead was walking out with enough to buy a brand new motorcycle every year with the price they came back with). But the customer I work for can task me directly, and they see that I'm good at what I do, and all their other people can't do as good of a job or too busy, so they have me lead more projects outside my scope of expertise. Its whatever, when I have extra time I'll work those and help out, but I'm not working above 40 hours per week (they are not authorizing overtime, so none will be performed). My primary job is the one that matters, any side jobs take a backseat because its that primary one that I'll be reviewed upon. Also in my case they've bumped me up so high that even if I came down from the heavens above, I probably wouldn't get paid more, so doing the job I'm on contract for, and not a million other things unless it fits within the 40 hours.
Doubt people are quitting much... Most people not willing to live on the streets and so are ok with being slaves.
It's weird, because every hour you work more for them you make your boss more money. Usually a multiple of your pay. So, they should have every incentive to pay you more for now pay. But they want to get a kick out of paying you less. And they can afford that because they're not really in for the money anymore. They have plenty already.
@@mreese8764 ever heard of overhead bosses don’t make as much as people think yes they make money, but there’s a risk the employees don’t have to risk paying the bank if the business fails the owner does
I was given a performance review where they wanted to discuss my "not meeting expectations". I was the highest performer in the whole region that month. The expectations they were talking about was getting upset after being bullied, complaining about having to wait 3+ months for expenses to be paid and wearing headphones to help me focus (I was told I always need to be listening in to others' conversations - even though I have a hearing condition and couldn't make out what was being said unless they were speaking to be directly). I quit the day before the review and am glad I did.
I had a supervisor once give me a perfect score on my evaluation, he was subsequently chewed out for it. He actually yelled at his superior and came back to tell me the job was turning into a shit show and I should keep my options open. They forced him out within a year.
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As a former supervisor myself and now a store owner, I had a corrupt district manager who tried to force me out and was constantly chewed out for things beyond my control, eventually I had him terminated and criminally trespassed by corporate themselves, he had lied about sales reports and the last straw was how he handled a complaint from a customer who literally was an undercover shopper, if anyone out there employee or employer, if you are being forced out and have an HR department, DOCUMENT EVERYTHING!! Secretly record audio even! Most companies will have a "whistleblower" program that is designed to protect anyone, including store operators such as myself when a rogue higher up decides to break protocol, even NDA's can be voided when said agreement is broken and can be taken up in court
"Uhh, actually your last minute is right now"
Big power trip there, Bill. Hope you come off it real soon...
"Cool, so I now qualify for unemployment."
But Bill is a caring individual, says Bill
Fortunately, in my country(Latinamerica), Work laws protect employees a little better. For instance, in this part the the audio at the end. An employer can't decide when is your last minute at work unless they're officially firing you and for them to fire you, they must have a proper cause or they would have to pay you some kind of indemnity and a month worth of salary which I'm sure Bill wasn't willing to pay since it even hurt him to be asked for a back pay.
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
@xraf32 Wrong
“I’m a really caring individual”
“Get the f*** out of here right now”
ROFL
Lol
Also(if it happens),
“we’re like a family”
...get the hell outta there.
Sam u have white privilege
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What you are saying is soooo true, and this conversation with this power-tripping middle manager ... I can feel my blood pressure rising ... it's so unfair and infuriating! I wonder how much that sycophant middle manager is making ...
This manager is outright lying. Employees are supposed to get an evaluation copy. In fact, employees are typically part of the evaluation process. Additionally, no employee has to go to the employer telling them they need money & what can they do to earn more. That’s just silly. He contradicted himself several times. Managers are supposed to know, engage & keep talent--so the firm can continue to exploit said talent, Lol 😂 . Just the way Corporate tends to work; exploiting our talents to stay competitive, usually for little if they are allowed. Everything tends to be legal in corporate until it’s not.
💯 That boss was BSing about everything, especially saying the employee couldn’t have a copy and all the stupid reasons. LOL
There is no "supposed to". Employers can handle the evaluation process however they want. If you don't like it, find another job. Of course it works both ways -- an employer who forces enough employees to find another job is going to see their replacement pool shrink.
@@adrianmizen5070 in Georgia, as an employer, it can hurt you in court if you don't have proof of giving copies of evaluations to your employees.
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This boss pulled every gas-lighting trick in the book. Blatant disrespect and lies he's telling this guy with such ease.
I'm glad Austin did what he did. He should've left much earlier and I hope this is a lesson not to take these kinds of shit jobs in the future.
The kid is also dumb af tho and will work dead end jobs his entire life because of it.
I feel like in certain areas of the country that business owners have too much leverage. There was a chain of fast food restaurants where my family is from in Montana that was forcing employees to work off the clock. Somebody blew the whistle and the state crushed them. I worked for a tree nursery that the owner would absolutely ride people for not performing and fire on the spot. I think he fired me twice 😆 A few people died in a car wreck while rushing to work. He just said “no job is worth your life”. I don’t think he connected anything to his management style.
@josholsen6985 there's an episode of Kitchen Nightmares called Amy's Baking Company. Sounds a lot like that tree nursery.
I believe that’s when they REALLY cross the line - blatant, pathological lies. Then they top it off with the “overthinking / assumption” claim about you even though it’s not some made up criticism. They make it sound as if mistreatment in the workplace is the same as talking about Area 51.
While he didn't play the best corpo-chess, personally I think more people need to be putting managers and executives in the hot seat, make it personal, and make them uncomfortable for treating their employees like trash.
But if his goal was to get fired and collect UIB I say he played Bill like a fiddle.
@@ModernRelic69 Lmao we gotta love that
@@ModernRelic69 UIB application: Were you given written documentation of deficiencies in performance? former employee's honest answer: NO!
because Bill is so bad at his own job, he did not even take opportunity to hand guy piece of paper all "here is your Action Plan, you need to A, B, and C to bring your performance to standard ___". no matter how much a lie. no matter how flawed anything else.
Bill left money on the table right there!
@@ModernRelic69 Bill already got a signed resignation letter . so the guy can't collect unemployment.
@@snowglider400 he never handed it to bill from what I heard.
There's no reason to play the game, $10/hour jobs in 2024 you get to say whatever you want. This middle manager can kick rocks.
I quit my job Oct 4th. They asked me to stay on for two weeks on the same project which caused me to resign. I said if that's the only task they wanted me to do, my last day is today and I'll be logging off after this call for good. First job I've ever not given two weeks. You could tell they were completely unprepared for an employee to exercise the kind of power that only management wields. It felt exhilarating.
@@rustyshacklefordspocketsqu8162 I always tell prospective employers that I must give my current employer *at least* two weeks notice. This isn't just because I like my current employer. It's because if someone is so desperate they need someone RIGHT NOW, that tells me they're in chaos (probably self-inflicted due to poor planning and/or because of the way they've been treating their employees). So I respectfully decline, then quietly thank God that I just dodged another bullet.
@@rustyshacklefordspocketsqu8162 Eventually when you get a real job it will hurt you. They really do check that stuff out and when they call for your referrals and ask if you are rehirable the answer will be "No" and it's hard to overcome that in the real world. If you are working low level service jobs they'll hire anybody with a pulse so you're safe.
@@Ontheroxxwithsalt so lie and put your friends as your managers?
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@@jlindsay That book (48 Laws) basically tells you to be an awful person. Have you read it? I could barely get through the first chapter and felt dirty.
🤦, the biggest mistake employees make is to try to reason and use logic with those types of folks. I recently left and shocked everyone around me. Actions speak louder than words.
Bill: "This guy is leaving, I want you to pick up the slack and run with it."
Employee: "I'll try to sell but that's not my strong suite"
Bill: "that makes me angry"
Employee: " I deserve a raise"
Bill: "we don't have money cause of this fucking administration"
Employee: "I have a second job"
Bill: "you're cheating on me?"
🤣
Bruh it's perfect xDD
This is like a training video for what NOT to do as a manager and what NOT to do as an employee. Horrible environment and toxic boss. I understand wanting to be candid as an employee, but that wasn’t ever going to work in that environment with that ego-driven manager.