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"Honesty is not rewarded" during an interview is very true.
Interviewer: "What do you expect from this company"
Me: "Money"
I: "Why do you want to work for us?"
M: "Money"
I: "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"
M: "With more money"
Like what do companies expect?
Litteral me
They want their ego jerked off. "Oh, I really like the company culture and I googled you guys and it seems like the work environment and ethics are *BRAAAAAAAAP*" They just want you to see how good you can fart in their mouths.
Some perspective from the other side of the interview table. I've been a manager for around 5 years now, so maybe I can give some insight from my personal experience.
"What do you expect from this company?":
Usually, I ask this in a different way, such as "What would you like to learn?" but this is similar enough. I ask this line of question to see if the candidate is looking for something I can offer. For instance, if the person is looking to code in Python to hone their skills but I don't have any projects running that at the moment, I can let them know that it isn't something available that I can offer. From there, the person will understand what they will get themselves into and we'll be on the same page in regards to expectation.
"Why do you want to work for us?":
I don't usually ask this to just anybody. I only ask this when the person is overqualified (For instance, 8 years in a Lead Dev role but applying for a junior role that requires like, 1 year of experience.) Otherwise, if I ever do ask this, its due to genuine interest to see why someone is interested enough to apply. If its just about money, that's fine, the interview goes both ways. You're also there to judge how the interviewer reacts to your answers.
"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?":
I ask this all the time, I'd like to know where they want to be. Where they can fit in the organization, if and when I hire them. If they want my position, that's even better. It means I have someone I can count on if anything happens to me. If they only want money, I know their motivation is monetary alone and will help me decide how to approach fitting this candidate in the team.
Of course, a good interviewer will take all the answers and judge the candidate by weighing each of the questions as a whole. I've built good teams that are willing to work with me for years and years, so I think some of these methods work.
Hope this helps!
they don't "want their ego jerked off" , they are looking for the most stockholm-syndrome candidate, because that is going to be the one that they will be able to milk the most.
if your answer to that trick-question is : "Money!" this means that you have a rational sense of value and that it will be difficult to out-negotiate you when necessary, when you have a "passion" this means that you are willing to work without getting to much rewarded for it and that's what they are looking for.
essentially, when a HR agent asks you this, it's bad sign, it proves that there is some bad corporate-exploitivism going on in this business.
Money is the only right answer. Companies don’t care about your personal growth or career goals.
If you can lie about the position, I can lie about my experience. Simple as.
Very based
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Lol. Truth.
Literally every job posted by every employer, big or small doesnt matter!
"Work like you own the company!"
"Very well. Mr CEO, you are fired. This is my office now."
That's just rude =))))
and get paid as a mcdonalds cashier
if you kill CEO, you become the CEO.
Young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and these job trends worsen.
@@rejectionistmanifesto8836 jeez dude chill
100% of employers lie about job description, culture, etc
Omg culture absolutely. I just started a new position and because I'm in the shop actually building the shit, even though I am still an engineer, the "real" engineers act high and mighty and as though we are less than them.
Engineer literally said "I'm not putting MY hand in that machine, these are my moneymakers!", implying I have to be the one to do it. No shit buddy, EVERYONES hands are their source of income
In the interview, they talked about their culture as though it was one of the best.
@@OtherDalfite that is horrible, so sorry you go through that, and a new job too!
This is very true in the employee benefits world. They say "I want a benefit analyst who produces accurate numbers". On the job I found out they really want a UI/UX designer 70% of the time, and an analyst 30% of the time.
I looked up the salary of UI/UX designer and it is a lot higher ($85k vs $67k). They just want to low ball all benefit analysts.
@@OtherDalfite In the new team I joined a few months ago, the senior engineers are actually not bad- they deliver 90% of the projects assigned to our team and they even help us new joiners. But its the manager who acts high and mighty and keeps bragging about his "16 years of experience in IT" and keeps scolding us or giving philosophical lectures instead of actually helping us with the ground-level implementation required for the completion of the task. I got fed up and wrote an official email saying that I won't be able to continue working in this team.
It’s usually in sales, it will say 50k starting but it ends up being $12 an hour with the promise to make much more. The thing is I worked for sales jobs like this in the past. You would have to steal every client from your coworkers and have every potential client to essentially be a yes customer. ONLY THEN YOU WILL MAKE THAT MUCH FROM FROM THE COMMISSION STRUCTURE.
I was recently passed-up for an interview. I found out later than the entire development team liked my demo reel and resume, but the director passed on me because I had a six month work gap last year.
Last year. 2020. COVID shutdowns. He passed me up for that. One more example of why it doesn't take brains to be in charge.
Every moran can register a company online
Sounds like you dodged a bullet.
I knew too many bosses that think like that
They want to be sure they don't get some flake like me that works passionately. I once stayed a couple hours late on the last day of a job I had quit, just because I took deep personal pride in the stuff I had done there -- most companies would have changed my passwords especially given the God access I had. But I also have integrity.
But while I work passionately, I can also bail passionately. Sick of IT, especially sysadmin work, I taught snowboarding for a while. I've been self-employed, full time W2, 1099, and "screw it". But if I take it upon myself to do a job, I kick ass if I'm allowed to.
Tech people don't think or act like middle managers. I mean, we might be forced to, but by nature we don't, and we'll quit at the first opportunity then. Creative problem solving requires a totally different personality.
Unless the gap is something like doing time for a violent felony in the workplace, it's just part of the life of a free spirited person who might make an incredible employee.
Such people don't usually respond well to abuse, though. So there is that.
I rage-retired over 4 months in 2021 because the upper level managers were too stupid to run a company.
This CEO claims to be busy and not have time to be present at tech interviews, yet he has enough time to write, edit and publish this article.
There are levels to his narcissism.
Lets be honest he probably passed the editing to someone who was desperate for a raise.
CEO admits he is parcialized and skewed and favors one type of candidate above other more honest and deserving of the opportunity
“I don’t have the time” has always been an excuse.
AND read the comments and respond to them.
You left out the part where you HAVE to lie on your resume to hit those KEY words thr AI is looking for, before it even hits a real persons desk.
lol pretty true for big companies
That’s the real trick
Oh yes, tailor the CV to the job description. Absolutely to pass the AI sieve to get the chance to speak to the human
I always say I'm sold to the highest bidder. The disrespectful actions of employers caused this.
Haha
Do white people sweat when you say that?
be careful with those words man
@@mtxset They just look at me. I say it to my bosses face and his face usually just turns red.
@@dollarcostbackpacker1226 racist and funny
"Firing employees is one of the hardest jobs I have faced as a CEO."
Hey Jack, you should try clearing a minefield at night under enemy fire. Might change your definition of "hardest"
"78% of job-seekers lie during the hiring process"
... and 100% of employers
I've never worked for a place where the hiring interview matched what I ended up actually doing.
This reminds me of a job that I applied for. So I took a personal day to attend the interview, which the recruiter rescheduled on me twice. The job posting stated that the base was 80K - 100K a year plus commission and this was to be a sales associate at a marketing company Aventas in case you are wondering. I found out the company was full of it. I asked the company about if this was base plus salary and how this would work in terms of compensation.
This is what the person interviewing states "You would need to negotiate with the CEO for your pay every single project"
Me "What do you mean by that?"
Her the person interviewing me "You pay is going to need to be negotiated per project"
Me "So on the job posting it stated how it was 80K -100K base plus commission"
Her "Oh I wasn't aware of this"
Me "Then may I know who ended up making the job posting"
Her "Oh I was the one who made the job posting"
Me "How could you not be aware of what you posted in the job posting"
Her "So is there anything else that you would like to discuss"
Me (Walked out of the room and informed her that she wasted my time and how I had to take a personal day only to be lied to about the job)
"Work like you own the company"
I mean you don't get to decide shit, you don't get paid like you own it, you literally are their slave. I'll work like I own it if you treat me like I own it.
I was about to say! What, do I get a sizable stake of equity in the company?!
I thought that meant that you show up late, behave as if you're the biggest shot ever, expect everyone to bow to you, have no idea what the heck the guys that actually work do ..
THIS!!!!! This is exactly why I think "ownership" is a load of nonsense.
Well, if the CEO can make any of us the co-founder of the company, then i suppose we should work like we own the company.
Oh wait, don't forget, not even the co-founders of the companies are loyal to each other.
@@TowelGamingHammer how does 0.1% sound?
"I want you to stop lying on your resume!"
"Here's all these extremely unrealistic minimum expectations that have nothing to do with your capacity to do the job in order to apply."
Pick one.
He lied about why he was firing the guy for lying on his resume (supposedly). Irony at its finest.
The story is irony. His behavior is hypocrisy.
"Company loyalty", lol. I am under no illusions that my employees will be more loyal than the extent of their paycheck. It's a business. I pay them for time and tasks, nothing more. All of this "passion", "love the work culture", etc is just BS marketing jargon. If you do get an employee who is truly passionate and loves the work, you pay them more, give them a bonus, but this is few and far between. Most people just want to get paid for 8 hours of work and I'm okay with that.
Hello reasonable business owner.
I fired my boss. It felt pretty good too.
I had a CEO tell me she's looking for "loyalty." like wtf is this a romantic relationship? Give me good pay and good benefits and I will give you good work. Give me great pay and great benefits and I will give you great work. Give me excellent pay and excellent benefits and I will return my compensation with excellent work.
@@avapilsen Exactly. The only way a company will get my “loyalty” is to pay me more and provide better benefits than other companies so I have no reason to leave. It’s a *business* relationship, after all.
You sound like an awesome boss.
I never understood references. I only ever give the same 3 people who will tell the company whatever they want to hear to get me the job. Literally makes no sense to me
I never put 'references' on my resume. I challenge the employer to test me.
You can even list a relative, if you have different last names.
@asdrubale bisanzio and social skill is important because? I can see some jobs but many jobs really aren't that important. you are probably one of those that " we want fun ppl who don't just want to work hard, but PLAY HARD! "
@asdrubale bisanzio exactly a load of BS
@asdrubale bisanzio no I know how it works and that’s what I been saying all along
I left corporate after 14 years in it and also as a manager so know exactly how they are played
It’s bullshit.
Geez toxic much 🙄🙄
I tried being honest on a resume once and didn't get hired. I still laugh about how silly it was for me to think that honesty was how that worked.
A company is like a complete stranger. No one is not going to be honest with them. Trust needs to be earned with time and effort from anyone.
LoL yea everyone learns pretty quickly in life. Lie on the resume and hit the ground running when you get the job and make up for the gap. Fuck it🤣
Hahahha me too. When I started using more flowery words and add *more experience*,I started getting some job interviews.
@@ninepuchar1 Also making your resume design look nice. Nice design = positive emotion = positive first impression. We should be applying neuro-marketing to our resumes.
@@BboyKeny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I LOATHE that "passion" bullshit. Bosses really don't want to experience my passion, I guarantee.
i remember this girl who worked with so much "passion" at a call center i used to work for. she punched her monitor cuz she got angry explaining something to a customer. that's passion.
@@teeemoy lol
@@teeemoy too close to home
I have seen support job break many of my colleagues
Haha. Superb Pablo.
Ironically, “passion” can really backfire on employers....
Out of all the programming languages out there, Josh chose to speak facts
I have been honest at almost all my interviews, I am open about my mental health --- I struggle from chronic depression. I will go from being the best candidate in the room to the worst when I open up. There are good reasons why people lie.
"some people have ten years experience, some have one year of experience ten times"
the wisdom you drop sometimes
Work with your heart and soul means give up more of your personal time for a company that doesn’t give a shit about you
and will fire you at the drop of a hat.
If they want you to view the company the same way as an owner - they should make you an owner.
@@notsure7874 yes!
100% of the companies lie in the hiring process - so it’s not balanced out yet
Had a job interview where I went through 3 rounds then completed a long 14 hrs data analysis project just to be rejected with a generic email response. I didn't even get mad but I laughed hysterically. Like these companies truly are something. You go through all those rounds and they don't even have the decency to tell you what didn't work with you then they discard you.
Was once told I got the job just to be emailed by someone i never even met that I didn't. Beat that.
They aren't going to give any information other than "we found someone better". Otherwise they could open themselves up for lawsuit. It's just corporate practice for a long time.
Are you going to tell every job that you reject why--they are batshit, maybe? No. Not enough time in the day (also another main reason corps don't give details).
At larger or just disorganized company, the person sending the email might not even know bc they are not involved with the hiring process other than organizing all the applicants and double checking the steps.
The Abrar Guy took 5 years to do his engineering degree and then directly becomes a CEO after completing his degree... What a clown.
Turns 16: "Well guess it's time for me to be a CEO."
all these people saying to _never_ lie on resume are obviously not aware of resume bots many companies use these days - it doesn't see you have the required years of experience? automatically filtered out, it never even reaches human eyes
Its just funny how all of the 'CEOs' are obsessed with signalling how nice and understanding they are as if they aern't exploiting people.
"I have 20-25 employees and I have a personal relationship with almost all..." He does not even know how many employees he has but he has relationship with them? What a phony.
It's possible he was giving a general range including occasional seasonal/temp workers rather than the exact number of workers he was currently employing 🤷
@@shirin8609 A little late to this, but the CEO can't make this shit up. It's either he knows exact number of employees working at that moment, or he doesn't. There is no such thing as a range of employees. If he doesn't even know how many employees were working there at that moment, he is a fake CEO.
@@sj.2156
Reminds me of what "players" sometimes say when they talk about how many women they're seeing on a regular or semi-regular basis.
Josh is doing godly work in today's world
Facts! 💯😂
He's doing the LORD'S work 💪
👏
Work with you heart and soul == work like a cog until you break
"Cultural fit" is code word for "young".
And cheap labor
Exactly
The biggest most exploitative companies are targeting those that have no experience and don’t know better to get labor for prices nobody in their right mind would work for. They know what they need to do to fix this, they just won’t pay more…
young and naive
Or a relative of someone high up in the company.
"Work with your heart and soul, the company will take care of you too".
Very rare, I saw many people who gave 5-10 years of their lives to a company. Later they get fired for company's profit
Yeah! Or if you get disabled on the job they have you sign papers and fire you.
I was completely honest in a job interview once.
Perspective Employer "How loyal are you to a company?"
Me "About the distance from my foot to their neck, i'm here for a paycheck, not to make friends, i'll stomp on anyone for more money, including you."
Perspective Employer "Please leave"
I didn't get the job.
I got my last job (in 1996) based on my reputation.
I don't know if it's a very common thing abroad, but here in Brazil, only really big companies use the term CEO. In small companies, the highest executive is only called director or executive director. If you have a company with less than 100 employees and call yourself of CEO or your employees refer to their employer as CEO, then people will laugh at your back, if not in front of you. I used to work for a company with more than 2000 employees and they didn't use this term because they didn't consider the company large enough to call the director body of executive office, so they officially didn't had CEO, CTO, COO, CFO, etc... They were all called directors.
eu trabalho numa startup com menos de 20 pessoas e o dono é o CEO mesmo
Directors in the US make movies. US terms are defined mostly to work with groups of investors.
it's common here..
new startup with couple of people, and have a CEO, and CTO
@@TheAmbrazura nah, I've been a director of purchasing before for a global company. It differentiates the strategic leadership/management from transactional management. But my team knew they could call me whatever because I don't care about titles. They could call me "hey there, guy" or "f*cker" for all I cared, but we got our work done and outpaced all the other departments.
My first encounter with people who lie on their resume is with my last employer, I approved to hire someone with 10 years of experience in software development and JavaScript, day 1 at work, he doesn't even know how to create a function and doesn't even know how to call setTimeout. My mistake was I approved him immediately, I should have done some deep checks first. I hate when people lie on their resume. I never lied on my resume, but I still apply for jobs I think I'm qualified even though the requirements says otherwise, because there's always the technical interview and technical exam, all I have to do is pass those and I've essentially proven myself.
There are various reasons why a requirement will say that you are not qualified, here are some of them:
1. The person who posted those requirements doesn't know a shit about what the job really is and what people on that job really do, so they guess.
2. They are looking to low-ball someone, that is, if they are hiring for a mid senior, they are going to put senior level requirements -- ditch these kinds of companies.
Also, what the fuck does it mean when people say "we want to know if they fit our company culture", like, what the fuck does that even mean, that's just stupid, you have an opening because you need something to be done by someone with the skill to do it. I think what they really mean is "we want to know if this guy is willing to work extra hours with no pay and also take on more responsibility with low pay and no pay rise for years"
I agree with most of your points, but the last about work culture. Some people are jerks to work with or carry certain beliefs that will clash with most co-workers. A work place with a bunch of atheists does not work well with an outspoken religious person. A place with peaceable & reserved people doesn't work with a loud & obnoxious person.
@@akin242002 why would religion be involved in the work place? Seriously, just do your work, no need to talk about religion at work.
@@aprilmintacpineda2713 It shouldn't, but some people go into interviews talking about it.
@@akin242002 that's a discriminatory question and if I got that question I would say, "Okay, I think this company is not the right fit for me, thank you and good bye.". Frankly, I would encourage everyone to do the same. We should also have high standards when it comes to the job that we take, we shouldn't just take whatever we see, we also have to analyze if we really want to be in that company, after all, you're gonna be there for pretty much every day all day.
@@aprilmintacpineda2713 Sorry for the confusion, but I was referring to the potential employee bringing it up. Not the interviewer.
him: don't start your career as a senior dev, it's okay to be an intern.
also him: proceeds to become a CEO immediately after getting a degree.
smh
Rules for thee, not for me!
@@youtubesucks3882 But you have to work like you own the company, Jimmy!
The whole hiring process encourages lying. It needs to be changed and restructured in every aspect. The questions are broken and provide no insight, we are softly lying to them so they can think we are being honest, and introverted people have a hard time in interviews where extroverted people are more likely to be considered. It is absolutely rare when a company has a refined hiring process and actually makes the candidate feel connected and listened.
Proud of you keep it up! Love from Romania
Does tall lady really exist?
@@liondeluxe3834 who?
Constanta!
There's a guy I'm a LinkedIn connection with. He owns a recruitment company and is a successful guy in career terms, probably other ways too. He comes out with this sort of stuff all the time.
Suspiciously his hiring policy also seems to be hiring young, attractive women. To top it off he'll promote how much the company values women. I bet it does.
Being productive in 10 days? Wtf!
I have being in training for more than that.
Once I waited for a computer for 12 days!
my onboarding was 14 days of HR powerpoint presentations at my first job
depends on company, some like to have the computer etc set up and see how fast they can get you up to first commit as a matter of I guess pride, it's as much a test of the candidate as the code base though, those tend to be like software as a product businesses.
You had to wait for 12 days? Men, i was like you, and was added 8 plus days in the process.
Back when i was working with Angular Framework in 2019, i had to wait for 20 days just for a computer at the company. And i wasn't even on training or had to learn anything, because at that moment, i already knew how to use Angular before getting in to the company.
The worse thing was, i had to borrow a laptop from my friend just to work.
After that, i always bring my laptop and never touch the companies' computer, until this very day.
@@JoshuaFluke1 I am sorry :(
@@hunggamerofficial3252 A friend had to share a computer with another person and they got the nickname of "the twins". (I don't know how long they worked like that)
I work in consultancy and this is one of the things we always ask candidates on tests, walk us through the recommendations and justify why you choose the route to resolve the issue. I hate these pass or not tests with no questioning on how the prospective candidate approached the issue, as that is often the damn thing you are interviewing for, how someone approaches a problem and resolves it
I have to lie on my resume and LinkedIn profile by removing my earliest jobs because it “outs” my age. On my resume I don’t put my years of graduation down either. There is serious ageism in tech and they will toss your resume if you appear too old. Hiring managers never want too much experience, and fear the older engineer versus young manager dynamic. Luckily, I’m a contractor now and it’s amazing how this BS disappears in a company/contractor relationship.
Imagine being so entitled to talk about others and how they should not lie when this guy finished college and just became a CEO. No experience in doing that but hey, I can be a CEO too. Heck, I just realized that I'm the C.E.O of this comment section.
There are so many online services to choose from where for around $100 you can register a Limited Liability Company and name yourself member manager, or CEO if you get the urge to.
I registered three LLCs in April so I'm 3X the CEO that this guy is. Lol.
@@PhilLesh69 sheeesh, you're like a super CEO.
He's the CEO we want but we don't get.
Thank you for covering this Josh! 👍
Soon people will verify a company via this channel. If your company got roasted everyone will avoid you like the plague.
I just honestly can't explain how much I love what you're doing.
Your videos helped me face this software development dead industry, latin-american developers should watch your videos, thanks Josh!
I'm glad they help
I think this software developement industry has been dead since long ago, like about 10 years ago.
Only now, it has become clearer for all of us to see.
Even the gaming world is dying in a very obvious way. I used to like PlayStation games, but now, those games are just too terrible and full of politics such as SJW and Feminism in them.
We do!
@@hunggamerofficial3252 Games didn't progress technically in 10 years.
@asdrubale bisanzio
I didn't just play PS games, i played PC games as well. But the result keeps repeating itself.
I played Console games like XBOX, PS, Nintendo, then a bunch of PC game such as CS Go, League of Legends, PUBG....
Any games i play now, there is always some sort of political involvement, whether i like it or not.
There is a channel that talked about this, it is "The Act Man".
CEOs in America play god without permission.
Mr.robot?
A vast majority of them are far to stupid for that.
Because people allowed and accepted it
Wait..you only have 25 employees and you had to have your assistant interview???? Gtfo.
I remember once hearing from a guy that "Even if your company closed because of you, never tell them that."
"Don't be a programmer!" Honestly, this is the phrase I have heard from the self-help programmers, but they never tell what exactly should I call myself.
In India, there is this prejudice among HR folks that they need to hire someone from IIM or Tier 1 college, or else don't apply.
The prejudice has gotten even worse with some matrimonial sites catering to only IIMs.
Thats unfortunate brother.here in ph has also discrimination.newly grads but not to that extent.
We have this prejudice in any academic research position in USA, but this luckily doesn't matter in most industry or company jobs.
I always apply to these companies and attach a middle finger as a PDF instead of resume works like a charm 🎉.
@@tkdevlop really ?? Haha, bro you're a legend ! 🤣
There are a lot of people who believe that not having a college degree is like having leprosy or some kind of mental illness.
They will literally freak out about a co-worker without a degree making money doing a job they had to study hard for four years to do. They will quite literally divert most of their work time to undermining those people who didn't follow the rules like they did.
But then again, I've even seen people get so petty that they whine that so-and-so took an extra 15 minutes to get back from lunch yesterday so therefore they deserve Friday off. So they may simply be taking advantage of any "weakness" to defeat their co-worker opponents.
Your videos helped me leave a dead end job I had been at for 5 years. And now I realise how unhappy I was. I had no idea how frustrated I was till I was out of that environment. Comfort zone is one of the worst places to be stuck in, particularly in a corporate environment.
LMAO "Don't lie on your resume!" But he never submit one.
Blatant lying versus painting things in a positive light. Not the same.
Plumber --> Water Flow Engineer
School Lunch Server --> Educational Institution Nourishment Consultant
Grass cutter --> Urban Agricultural Developer
Dishwasher --> Gastrointestinal Tool Sanitation Specialist
@@anythgofnthg154 Exactly.
@@anythgofnthg154 Cleaned warehouse? Inventory management. Entered purchase orders occasionally? Buying/purchasing experience. Covered for billing on their day off? Cross trained into other departments. Literally any problem can be spun to sound like a big deal. Interviewing is artful story telling. Don't say "I'm disorganized", say "one time I missed an order in my emails and it went unnoticed, we took x steps to fix it, and I learned new organizational skills from this experience."
Pocahontas painted with all the colors of the wind, I paint with all the colors of bullshit and I make that look gooooood. You're spot on, focus on the positive.
@@hannamariewilson There's almost zero honesty at that point, so it's basically lying. But that's fine, I lie to an employer's face to get money and they lie when they tell me I'm valued as an employee. It's mutual loathing.
Lie on your current salary too. When I talk about pay with a recruiter, I always say I'm making 5-10k more than what I actually make and that I'm looking for better compensation. It helps filter through low ball offers. It also helps raising the profession's wages as a whole.
Another tip: if they tell you they can give you that much do "be fair with other employees", you should know that it also means they're not giving any meaningful pay raises.
My previous employer got me by lying about the position. It was a start-up, told me they wanted certain features matching my expertise and that would lead a team eventually. Ended up doing regular backend software development instead of applying my specific expertise they hired me for. I quit after 9 months as it became clear I would be stuck in that role and management straight-up lied about their desire for that expertise. After interviewing and comparing 10 offers this year I can conclude: be especially wary of startups, they are desperate for talent and will straight up lie to reel you in. Red flags are "we'll make your salary range work", "we don't do that essential process/infrastructure you require to do your job now but will soon", changing the job description to match your profile, flip-flopping on remote work/compensation/contract clauses/weekly hours.
I actually have been crazy honest during an interview. It wasn't a job I felt particularly inclined to take either. I totally pulled a George Castanza.
Not even kidding, I was offered the job and was given a raise.
I've learned a little bit about that encounter. Being totally agreeable all the time isnt the answer. Nothing wrong with calling it how it is long as you're a likeable person (charisma). Being less agreeable has been shown to be associated with success.
I actually found the original article as cached content as the "CEO" actually retracted it. Good stuff Josh - loved this.
The bias towards entrepreneurs also played a massive role in this HR fail. How does an entrepreneurial skillset relate to programming?
I legit got passed up for an assistant manager job at a retail store after being honest with the store manager and basically telling him the reason I was leaving the previous job. Dude basically held me under a lamp demanding to know why I left Company A for B. Then started talking to me on a personal "off the books" way. He basically got me to explain why I hated my previous job and I told him I was tired of lazy management killing staff so I want to be a good manager who was reasonable and enjoyable to work under. After a TWO hour interview and a 1 and half hour commute ONE WAY at least three times I was passed up. A friend of mine (other co) told me he didn't like my personality because I basically would be a "renegade" and wouldn't fit in with his plan for the store. (I wouldn't cowtow and kiss his ass)
The burden of proof for checking an employee's fit (technical, cultural, or otherwise) is on the employer.
The real issue here is the immoral "at will" employment law - which only exists in 3rd world countries and the North American "corporate profits first, people last" oligarchy.
In decent countries like in Western Europe, the employer is not allowed to fire the employee without just cause. This leads to meaningful job security for employees - which in turn improves productivity (employees are relaxed and can focus on work instead of public relations).
If the employer "hired wrong", it deserves to pay (salary, training, lengthy procedures for laying a person off) for its mistake.
About western Europe: I'd say, yes and no. While it's definitely much better than "firing for any reason or no reason", a manager can still find ways to get around that if they want, it will just take more time. As a bonus, the employee may get an arbitrary bad evaluation without warning (which they will have no right to formally challenge and will get gaslighted if they do), and a humiliating "development plan", which will be set by the same manager and may be impossible to actually fulfil.
Unions are a good thing in most of Western Europe though, at least they watch and take action if needed - but still some good employees will lose their jobs and suffer mentally in the process, before anything meaningful is done.
Sorry for getting kinda off topic.
Just filled out my 35th application in 60 days. I've got "truthful tourettes" and get nervous and babble in interviews if they let it drag on, because I get too comfortable. I can't lie to save my life and I can walk in thinking I know what I'm going to say and do, but somehow the script evaporates. I want to be honest as possible and suck at lying, but I'm learning how I need to tweak things to put a more positive spin (even if they sucked big time). I needed this reminder because after my shift tonight, I'm gonna tackle the CV and the job boards again.
Don't most normal/decent companies give employees 3-6 months as a probationary period? 15 days you're not even used to getting out of bed on time yet. Shiesh
Well, that's what a 90 day probation is for. They decided in 15 days, 45 days before the probation ended.
But if the guy couldn't do basic stuff, the what's the point? They didn't hire him for him to learn on company's dime. They were looking for a senior and not intern/junior.
Patrick . . . your fired.
@@TerryKashat it would be "you're".
@@patthetech You're right. Thank you for that correction . . . you're still fired. ;)
"The problem with firing you is how bad it makes me feel" LMAO
...He says as he wipes his tears with a wad of cash
Great video.
one thing I would add from my own life experience is... the companies that harp on honesty and loyalty the most.. usually have THE MOST dishonest management at the top.
"Bro you're like 16!"... dead xD
I applied for a concrete labor position. I ended up installing pools for the same company. One of the few cases where I'm glad the employer lied about the job description. Pools are easy.
It took me way longer than it should for me to get this jaded and I applaud you for figuring it out faster than I did. Good on ya, man.
As you said, it was the CEOs fault for not conducting a good interview to ensure engaging the correct person.
Thank you for the video.
He even admitted that candidate #2 was technically better.
I've experienced shit interviews that don't even reflect whether or not I could do a project, poor interviews and lame fantasy list job postings are the issue.
Had a middle manager once who had over 20 years of experience working in software development.
Was responsible for a software in the company that was broken for the 10 years of its existence and had cost the company a client once.
Me, as a junior dev with 2 years of experience, fixed said software, delivering the task at hand, then got fired for doing my job and for ignoring said manager's "orders" to do it in a crappier way.
"No ones going to say" haha thats the reason im unemployed. employers hate it when they ask why youd like to work for em an you tell em money, or that your last boss was a fraudster, but if you can't have a honest chat do you really want to work for em anyways.
The code test for my job was good. They gave me a project and asked me to add functionality relevant to the job. As they said to me - this is not a classroom. Much better than some Leetcode problems.
Being 100% honest in an job interview is the worst.
Best interview I ever had:
Interviewer: "Do you have experience with these programs?"
Me: "No. But I'm willing to learn."
Interviewer: "That's all I wanted to hear. You didn't fluff your experience. You'll be hearing from HR with an offer."
I got the job.
And then you woke up
What company was this?
@@alphachow Booyah! Hilarious! Yes!
You are so down to earth, thank you for that! 🙏🏻
Great video! You really tell the unvarnished truth here. Nicely done.
This is pure gold, thanks for explaining when lying in a strategic way, is acceptable, josh! You are totally right!!!
The inner peace thing killed me. So accurate, my last boss. Needs to be in a skit.
i did contract work for 14 years. HR people still ask why I was at each job so briefly. I get up and walk out now. I was installing machinery, and they are always hiring in related fields where they had damn well better know what those jobs were. I got tired of "we finished the job" being a response I needed dozens of times in the same interview.
The fact about lying job descriptions is true. for systems admin and engineering roles... they always try to sneak help desk bullcrap in there.
You rock man. Cheers to be the voice of so many who want to rant lol Take care brother!
Great video again, Josh. Love your work.
100% here Josh. I was too truthful on my previous resume versions and it really hurt.
Hi Joshua! Great video!
I especially agree with you regarding your comment on his saying, "Work like you own the company." If one works like the CEO, will the company pay that worker like he or she was a 'second' CEO, along with benefits to match such a a golden parachute? No, no no no never!
As for lying on a resume, I would add that it wouldn't be good to make what I'd call a "hard lie", such as saying that I speak Urdu or Mongolian when I don't know a word of either. It's not like saying you have 10 years of experience when you only have 3, because you can still do the job and can demonstrate the knowledge if challenged.
Again, great video!
My dad always told me to under promise and over deliver, not the other way around. Control the narrative - perception is reality...
I posted this on LinkedIn. They took it down alleging "bullying and harassment."
I remember a job about working with a big data database; I was asked to do a test, there was only one database-related question to write a very simple SQL, and all questions unrelated to the job-description - like network protocols, PHP functions... One month later they called me about I failed on the test. I was so angry about they were stealing my time.
The current job I am working at, the job description contained requirements high enough for 4 different people - from tester, through PHP programmer and database administrator, frontend developer.... up to a business analyst.... - but they hired me as actually what they needed to someone solve technical problems and they are very happy.
I am glad you are speaking the truth.. because I'm dealing with this kind of issue right now with all of these companies not wanting to hire me as a graphic designer or web designer or logo designer .. cause right now I'm working in a job as a housekeeper which I didn't a degree in..
Also thank you for sharing what happened in o'reilly auto parts interview
Keep speaking the truth Josh, people need to know the hard truth about work in 2021
This is exactly the type of article that I would imagine coming from people who call themselves Founder, CEO, or Change Maker.
When I interview i work to get them to say “I don’t know, but here’s how I would figure it out”. I have no expectations that you will know everything… I expect you don’t. I want candidates that aren’t going to lie in silence and will ask questions and research topics.
Heck, I don’t see the point in memorizing something you do rarely. Personal notes, the ability to search for information and willingness to ask questions are extremely powerful tools.
I really appreciate the way you think……you’re not looking to fall in love with any company, you’re right, work is for money so you can live a good life. A company should have nothing to do with your private live.
Nailed it once again. Honestly is only valued in a minuscule of companies. Also, this dude literally hid responses. That's how confident he is in his position.
Joshua you seem like a really cool guy and like me you speak your mind. Really applaud your videos and the sharing of your knowledge
Every time I watch your video, I get inner peace. Thank you, Joshua.
I remember one of my previous would be employers asked me some technical questions about equity options Greeks (i.e. Gamma, Theta, Vega, etc.)... Instead of asking basic directional or strategy questions. I never go the job..... fast forward a few years later now I trade my own Options, do my own strategies, and make money for myself. I could have making them Corporates good money, now I get to keep it for myself. I now trade FX/FX Options/Equity Options/Stock/some FX Futures, etc. I approached many employers with Open mind and eager to learn, but the reality is there are a lot of people bidding for same job, and employers keep lowering their offer. I trade hundreds of time per year and do not have to file a single Compliance Form or ask permission to Trade.
I was given a very nice salary range indication, so I spent my entire weekend on the code challenge and showed it to one of my programmer buddies and he considered it above average.
They still gave me a job offer with a salary below this range...
Thanks for the great Advice