I’m so fucking tired about hearing about corporate “families”. I’ve never wanted feel like my job is a family. I like to have friendly relationships with my colleagues, but that’s as far as it goes.
Say this kind of stuff on Reddit or other forums and you get downvoted to oblivion for being so "negative". I want to be cordial with my coworkers, but we all know that as soon as one of us leaves the company we are working at we probably won't ever talk again. It's like when you graduated from high school and everyone moved away. You might keep in touch with the closest of friends but everyone else moves on.
And when things go wrong, these so called "members of your family" or "friends" end up trashing you with your superiors, betraying you or blaming you for everything, i.e: not reaching an impossible deadline in time.
Every job I have had that said they were like a family turned out to be awful with terrible management and unhappy employees. The only exception was the company that hired me but then never brought me on, so I guess I technically never saw what working there was like! They gave me an offer letter, onboarded me, set me up for orientation, and then... never scheduled the actual orientation. Radio silence from them. It was the pandemic, but still. I had to track HR down myself, found out my HR contact had left, managed to contact her supervisor, and then found the position had been canceled. They didn't tell me, I had to get it out of them. Insane.
I’m a boomer. I remember a time when we were told that computers would make our work lives easier. What happened is management piled the work of three people onto one person. Automation has not made the work easier, but instead more demanding and stressful.
I saw a meme about the government adding a 25th hour to the day and companies trying to figure out how they could get people to work for that extra hour.
Anyone who said automation was going to make life easier never understood the point of capitalism. The rich get their wealth from exploiting labor. No matter how much easier work gets, they'll just twist the laws to make us work more.
@@gameon2000 capitalism is good. Cronie capitalism is bad. Supply and demand goes both ways. If there isn't enough people willing to do a job supply and demand dictates you need to pay more. The idea that cheap labor has to be perpetual is a clear lack of understanding into human behavior.
@@laverdadbuscador That and if you allow yourself to be sucked dry, then it's your fault and not someone else's. If someone is willing to do a 200k job for 50k and they do it good enough, why would anyone say no?
What people dont seem to get is that Joshua only brings awareness to these kind of corporate traps, to make you work more. This week at my college we had an animation studio being presented to us, and they used the words "disruptive" "young" "diverse" "dinamic" without actually talking about how the studio works itself, all of this put into a very nice video showing the people. I was laughing while thinking " if it wasnt for josh i would have fallen into this trap" , and by the looks of my classmates, they were thinking the same. So, thank you Josh for making these videos, im in the animation/videogame industry, but now I can see a pattern with these companies. Thank you
People quit a job because the environment is toxic, the pay sucks, and there no room to grow and you don't get anything for your hard work. Making money is good but you shouldn't be working long hours and you should have time for yourself. It's so hard to find a decent company. Everyone wants you to work but no one wants to reward you.
Companies are not welfare. They only pay you the bare minimum, including perks, to maximize profits, as long you generate those profits for the investors and CEOs. If you have rough times, burn out or other health problems, that massages can't fix, you are gone.
My employer offers "Unlimited Paid Time Off". I got a "talking to" for using it. My boomer manager straight up told me we actually only get three weeks. It's a bait and switch.
yeah i got a talking to for leaving early even though i came early. after that, came in on time and leave on time. and my boss during a review notes im not dedicated. i was like wtf
LOL and my favorite response from Managers when I call them out on their dishonesty they always say they are management therefore they can do what they want...
@@DanEMO592 yeah stuck around way too much thinking dude is mentoring me when in reality he had me stuck in my role. and when he got promoted because his boss retired, he lays me off.
@@chasingsunsets87 yeah my boss bragged he had "put in his dues" and as such could do what he wanted but people at my level needed supervisor approval.
"We had someone like you and team morale was terrible" Yeah it couldn't have anything to do with the team being mismanaged, not appreciated or not paid enough; it must have been the guy who dared to point out the obvious.
I agree with morale stuff, but this is a blowoff, maybe he wasn't shouting out then but now he does. Attitude makes job better, I agree, only that, when the time comes for you to have to look at life for what it really is, that everything is beautifull when they have their value is respected, just be aware you will want to blow off then. Life is a bit more than "programming is my life" that some of the kindest people in the industry will push and look for. The truth is that, even if you stay out pass working hours. it's still worth having some time watching stuff here and there, analizing what you did, what you undestand, trying to understand more, taking some thinking momentum and using it to look at the world. This makes your mind even more hole and it's not unlikely that you can get an even better thinking as you brain is equally fed (with information and what you hunger for). Pressure is good, it gets you moving, but you need to expand out of it. And mind evolves and expands the same way as muscles only grow back when you rest after physical effort. It needs freedom or removal of some of the constraint, it needs good stuff and also some of the stuff you long for, good or not that good that are rest as much as sleeping is rest. And we do live in an industry where we are trained to solve problems and think. It's not unlikely to get to some conclusions just because of this kind of training. The more you are pushed to the limit, the more pronne you are to redraw in your confort zone where only what you want or long for resides.
I'm about to be 30, quit my job at the post office after 5 years, currently job hunting, and beginning to realize that most jobs/careers are no different. The cost of living is ridiculous and work/life balance is nonexistent.
Welcome to the American Nightmare. "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was getting people to believe he doesn't exist" - from infancy we Americans are literally programmed with propaganda about the American Dream. It's only a dream for 1-2% of the 330 million people that live here.
Not just tech a lot of people are leaving their high paying jobs once they realise they can’t keep up with the corporate games, no sane adult wants to have some clown questioning their every move during the work day. Give me a deadline and all the necessary tools and I’ll see you when I’m done.
If you're willing to pay $140K for a remote job where the person lives in California, you should pay me that for the same job regardless of my personal location. That's what the job is worth to you, so pay it.
@@tkdevlop Isn't that discrimination ? I'd like to see them explain why in court. When you are paying two equally qualified employees differently based on their location, there is no justification for that.
@@tkdevlop But that's how it should work. Why should my pay be dependent on my monthly expenses? If the job is worth $140K, that's what it's worth. My location should be irrelevant.
@@JodyBruchon in our exploitative capitalistic system employers pay you as little as they can get away with. They pay people in high cost areas more because people ask for more money because of increased living expenses.
@@aomorzon isn’t it fucked up how companies everywhere just pay us all the bare minimum for us to survive so we can keep working for them? Basically these companies are compensating us for our skills they’re compensating us for our lives.
I am jealous of Millennials. They are making corporations change for the better. At my job I have been at for 16 years changed their time off policy to attract Millennials. Good for them. I wish my generation had done that. Don't run the rat race if your passions change! It's your life, live it. Very insightful video.
Honestly tech was never my "passion" just something I could see myself doing for a long time. Mainly I wanted to use the high salary to fuel my other hobbies/endeavors
Yes. I bought into the "follow your passion" mentality then realized a career should be something you at least don't mind doing. Getting paid for a passion or hobby would just make you hate it.
@@kamil4151 Sometimes politics, although that becomes exhausting. Helping family members organize their bills / make things run more efficiently. Although it's a skill that is helpful in daily life, I don't wish to monetize it. I have an on again-off again interest in cults and how they manipulate people. I fell into the trap of the Landmark Form (a self improvement pyramid scheme) 21 years ago. I have wanted to learn what red flags to look for so I don't get sucked in again. I also have a cynicism for American corporate culture so the algorithm started recommending Joshua Fluke's videos. He covers both topics frequently.
@@jeff6413 Well that would be rather complicated alternative career path :) My plan (while I am passionate for tech, 13 years in development/consulting freelancing), I have an alternative myself, but its in the realms of beachside coffeeshop/bookstore thing, with emphasis on the beach and warm climate.
I love the folks that are like, "But I like my free food and ping pong table. It's not always about the money." when the company almost 100% certainly weighed the results reported from other companies of giving $X in raises vs spending $X/4 on bulk catering and found that the cheaper catering gets approximately the same result or better and so the 3 suits who figured that out got a raise out of the savings. It's absolutely about the money. The PR campaign for ice cream parties on your birthday or unlimited PTO has worked great, because they've bought more of your labor for less than the rate at which you told them you sell it, and here you are defending them as they pocket your cash. You want catering? Get 20 employees together and put together a catering order with the actual money they pay you. FFS.
These "perks" operate the same way the insurance racket... errr, I mean industry does. They know that most people will never actually use the perks (for a variety of reasons), so they save a bunch of money that they'd otherwise traditionally pay out as a salary while still getting the positive publicity.
I don't care for that cult-like crap some employers do to keep you in the office/on campus on the cheap but it's not "your cash". No one said there was a give the money to you option on the table.
@@BTrain-is8ch That's really a matter of how you view your pay and the the value of your "perks" vs the value of your work. Let's say you value your work at $100k USD, your pay is $80k, and the company perks are worth $15k (just for round numbers with the understanding that these values are definitely different). Either the company is pocketing $5k of the value you assigned for your work or you suddenly decide your time and expertise are worth $5k less. You don't make more when they eliminate perks, so when the $5k in catered lunches gets cut under new management, the company saves money and you either need to accept that your effort is now valued at $90k vs the $100k you started at or start looking for someone who matches your personal valuation. At what point do you feel that the value of that compensation stops belonging to you?
@@cgdev6112 In your example your services are worth 95k not 100k. Your time, like all other goods, is only worth what you can convince someone else to buy it for. If I think my time is actually worth 100k I'm not even considering an offer that's 90k + 10k in perks. 100k + 10k in perks? Ok maybe because that offer satisfies my actual demands but not the alternative. I don't think this problem actually exists in reality or at least not among most of the workforce.
@@BTrain-is8ch "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" (Google it, it's not an attack, it's an example of controlling the frame of discussion. Basically, by controlling the options, you control the person's behaviors. If they say No, they're still beating her; If they say yes, they DID beat her; if they refuse to answer, they're combative and hiding something; if they say it's an invalid question, they';re argumentative and hiding something. Like asking a kid what they want for breakfast, cereal, or eggs? The option to not have breakfast was never an option.)
I'm a software dev with 15+ yrs exp and I see all these fancy vehicles at work. I still drive my 2002 Nissan Frontier truck. I just do. I love it. stick shift, 4 door crew cab, and I don't bother washing or waxing it except about once or twice per year. Cheap tax, cheap insurance (liability only) and best of all, I do all maintenance myself. That. That alone (plus the invested proceeds) since the day I purchased that truck has made me hundreds of thousands of dollars, over the other folk who purchase new fancy vehicles every few years. I love my freedom. Money brings freedom. IMO, my vehicle is the fanciest on the lot to me. Because my vehicle allows me the freedom to walk off the job tomorrow if I really, really want to. I'm in my early 50s and sooo glad I still have the vehicle I purchased in my early 30s and learned to fix everything on myself. My personal path to freedom. Just putting that out there.
If you truly enjoy software development, you won't get mad at someone for quitting, you wish him good luck and to find something he/she truly enjoys. When I see people get mad at others for this, it usually tells that me that these people hate what they are doing themselves, but can't or don't want to quit for reasons and get frustrated when they see someone that manages to achieve what they failed to. These reactions are nothing more than layers of coping mechanism being shaken after accumulating for so many years.
A lot of the comments appear to be from people that work outside the industry, like the guy that was like "I'll just work 120 hrs, get paid overtime, and retire at 40". Anybody who actually works in the industry knows that's not how it works. If these people are jealous, they can train themselves up to do the job too and they'll quickly find out what everybody's been warning them about all along.
Seems like it should be that simple. I don't go looking to work a job that I hate and if I have to deal with a job that I don't like, just to pay the bills, I'll do that until I find something more pleasurable. *shrugs
When I tell people I worked in Electronic Banking for 5 years, they seem impressed. It was sooooo soul crushing. I'd seriously rather live in the woods than go back. I was suicidal, developed a twitch in my neck, and grew to hate every single human being.
Living in the woods is actually one of my goals! I'm not in tech, or even a six figure job; but I do alright. The peace of the forest is always something I've loved. Just thought I'd throw that out there. :3
they have so many sh!tty HR terms. I was asked if I was a rockstar at Excel once. I knew I was going to turn them down (lots of red flags) so I said "like pete townshend? show up late, maybe drunk (depending on the time of day), jam out formulas on my keyboard then destroy it? Sometimes." It got a laugh and no call back (thank the gods).
It's sad to see so many people in software development believe that a company gives them all those "perks" as an extra, when in fact they are in lieu of regular pay. So instead of paying me $20,000 more, they give me $4,000 in perks/benefits. I'd much rather take the $20,000 and pay for my own perks. There are very few and specific cases (like health insurance) where the negotiating power of a large corporation can get you perks that individually you cannot get, but otherwise they're just meant to distract you from the fact that you get ripped off.
The thing is, when some people have their level of needs meet on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, they naturally move up in attempts to achieve self-actualization. The big thing working most jobs does is prevent people from reaching self-actualization, so people make and save enough money and move on. I had a friend in his 30s who was working a phenomenal job at Intel, and out of nowhere and for no obvious reason a few years ago, he quit. He has been travelling the world and living his life. I thought he was crazy for just leaving such a high paying job, but looking at how working for most organizations is nowadays, I understand him more and more.
No corporation, or government for that matter, wants self-reliant individuals. It kinda cuts the leash they have on your life. If you can make it without them, they can't profit from you. :3
When I was in tech, I had a memorable conversation with one of my coworkers, "gotta keep the paychecks coming..." he said, perpetually miserable with the job despite all the "perks." I really couldn't relate. I was here because it was right for me at the time. This job had problems like any other but I didn't need to stay, especially if I was feeling miserable. Josh, you are preaching the truth to those open to hearing it: 1. Never rely on just once source of income. 2. Avoid that lifestyle creep, live below your means. 3. Own vrs. rent your house 4. Working for yourself is always more rewarding than working for someone else.
But they can't, problem and creative solving actually takes a lot and is not easily replicable with technology. Until AI reach a certain point it's not going to happen
Issue is, these people create tech, and tech can not create tech. They require personnel and they're not replaceable by machines. You can not program a machine to create code from scratch, to create more code from scratch, it doesn't work that way. You create code to input into a machine to create clones of one specific thing. So you can automate say an assembly line. But you can not automate the creation of the machines that are used on the assembly line, nor the technology/software backing it. So... you're point is actually mute. That is why TECH companies will pay people so much. They're not replicable. You get paid that much because that is how valuable you are to the company, it isn't the other way around. You're also contracted, you do not have to stay, and they know this, this is why they pay so much because they WANT you to stay.
@@Alte.Kameraden my point is mute...what are you some edgy kid lol. Through the synergy of different technologies like cloud computing, big data, the IOT, RFID and cognitive computing. Many jobs that would appear to be solidly in the domain of man are already being preformed by machine. Alot of junior developers don't build code from scratch, they do what? Look on stack for the answers. There's no reason why for many tasks an algorithm couldn't be used to build the foundations of a scoped project with a senior developer checking the work. Boom the need for junior developers is massively reduced overnight. A machine can't do out and out knowledge work but it can take alot of the work out of the work.
@@Alte.Kameraden They cant do it now, but what about 20 years later? 100 years ago they said flying in planes like we do today is impossible, now 3-4 years later spacex is going to send a rocket to mars which is a 6 month journey. I dont say that every coding job will be automated but entry to mid stuff and administration work will be automated. Also today python for example has libraries whith blocks people use in programming, no one programs from ground up anymore, they use different tools and systems which make programming faster and easier, this wont stop and will continue to get more sophisticated. look at the computers 20 years ago. when we look back it looks primitive, cumbersome and we laugh about it.
@@Pestbringer89 Think you just missed the point a 6 figure income for 20+ years even 10+ years is significant. I remember watching a video on the subject about two years ago, how you could work in the tech industry even in a high rent part of California and save up enough in 5-10 years to move away to a low income, low cost area and start up your own business, it's why the industry actually has such a high turnover rate is because people actually make that much money, that they can afford to leave. Unlike people with dead end jobs with low income who if they quit may struggle to find another job, while also not having money to keep them on their feet. Having a 6 figure income actually gives you considerably more flexibility than other demanding but lower paying fields. You couldn't dream of making that much money say being a teacher, a historian, a writer, musician, or artist unless you were insanely lucky. Let alone people with labor jobs as a career. Issue is, you don't need to work 20 years in that sector, you're set for life unless you're a needless spender after about 10 years. You can work 20-30+ years somewhere else, and not even make what you'd make in 2-3 years in the tech industry. That is how dramatic the difference is.
I'm a Software Engineer. Your comments about a "promotion" being out of your (as a worker) control hit me deep in the feels. No matter how hard I work, the carrot keeps getting dangled further out of reach....
Something about experiencing abusive relationships in your personal life definitely make you more indignant toward manipulation, no matter how well that manipulation is gussied up.
I hate those "you make X money, how can you complain" comments. Well somewhere there's a person in great pain in a hospital bed who has just been told they won't survive the night. Should we all just accept every bad thing that ever happens to us with a smile our face then? I don't think someone needs to be satisfied with everything about their job just because their salary is high.
Okay so just think about how it would feel to have to work at a job that keeps you below the poverty line. When your at where people want to be your problems dont compare to thiers look up and you will see everyone has something to complain about.the best advice you can tell th is you'll see
Athletes making tens of millions complain about their salaries. It's just human nature so it's difficult to fault people, but I can guarantee that you'll be happier without the "more" as a perfect salary.
maybe teachers could get paid more if computer science was part of their curriculum at an early age, at least then a lot more students were able to get into technology after highschool and pay more taxes. (because there would be more people at a higher income)
at my last high pressure analyst job, i was not sleeping well, not working out, working 10-12 hrs a day (sometimes weekends), constantly dreading work and was shitting blood. I knew at at some point, my health was way more important so i quit and got a job with better work life balance. I was making more money at the analyst job but i wasn't happy at all and my health was decaying...
I've recently been looking for a better job recently due to these videos. I agree that we aren't looking for fuckin pizza parties, we're looking for more money, stop spending salaries at a time on shit that just infuriates their workers. Keep making these videos and I'll keep watching them
@@philcooper9225 Nothing wrong with pizza parties, if your coworkers are fine to be with, why not spend some good time with them. But when it's something initiated by the hierarchy everybody is much stiffer and more rigid and the pizza party is less fun. So those parties should be a choice agreed on by workers not something organized by hierarchy.
Josh you make me laugh. The unapologetic honesty is refreshing & WAY past due in corporate america. I've been denied jobs bc I tell the truth during interviews. "Why are you interested in us?" My answer: Honestly, money. They look at me like 😳😒. Lol. Ppl work to get paid, avoid burnout & to get recognized for skills (aka PAID for their work), promoted if desired & flexibility.
@ippos_khloros when they hear you say Money is the reason they don't like it because they know you are aware of your worth and willing to ask or pursue more. Believe it or not there are so many people out there who have no idea how much they get paid or when because their dear husband handles such pesky details of their life as finances lol. I know I know, when I learned these people/women exist I was floored.... because I know every detail of how/when I get paid and I follow up immediately if stuff doesn't add up.
I heard about unlimited time off... My first impression was "hell mother F*ing NO". No way I would agree to that. I want my specified 30 days, + public holidays, +sick leave + parental leave.. (I am on the right side of the pond if you didn't guess that)
@@JoshuaFluke1 I laughed when I read that too. If you get 2 weeks here plus a few paid holidays you're lucky. Unless you've been with a company for a thousand years, then you might get 3weeks.
@@Casinogirl56 hello... i negotiated 8k extra, hoping they would meet me in the middle, they gave me all of 8k and a whole 30 days vacation... makes me wonder sometimes... what have I gotten myself into ..
@@JoshuaFluke1 that's something im going to remember for the next time an opportunity comes up. Im pretty new in the field, I was even hesitant to renegotiate, so I went with a lower number just to see what would happen.. next time.. instead of 8k.. im going for 50k more.. let's see what happens.
"Not everything is meant to convert into cash value"... I mean, the sole purpose of a company is to make money so yes, everything does translate into cash value
Jeremiah is a liar saying he's willing to work 120 hours lol...As someone who does accounting at an investment bank our quarterly ends can be hell. Around 100 hours. Trust me after 60 hours you won't care about the "extra money" you simply want to go home and relax. Please don't willingly work that much for a company
Banks are the worst. The number of hours screams too much work, understaffed, and poor processes. This is a perfect example that systems in 2021 have not helped its made working environments worse!
I push myself like 90 hours a week average for my own company. Sometimes you just got to do it to carve out a place for yourself. I won't have to do it forever, but man it is certainly killing me.
@@bh844 I have to disagree on the processes bit. The processes are meeting their goals! Which are basically, make improvement impossible, insulate management from the problems, make the peons work more and harder and longer to get anything done at all. Yes, I work at a bank. Yes, I'm a cynic. Yes, they need CN- in their diet... There is no progress without cleaning out the problems.
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Man I totally feel the “once you have money then money is not the top priority” It becomes a treadmill, everyone wants more money just to spend more and buy a bigger boat, car or house. And it honestly is a disease, people get infected and one day they realice they worked 30+ years at a meaningless job, away from family. But this is one of those things you don’t get until you experience them. Love the rants dude!
It's funny how all companies do the same thing as each other, they follow the college method where they make it literally like a college campus so you don't have to leave.
The difference is the point that makes college fun is a fact that it's communal living. The creation of the suburbs has kind of gotten rid of that. You live pretty isolated lives in suburbia and it's kind of depressing. When it comes to employment however, nobody wants t&e imitation of communal living. We're there to work and go the fuck home. Now maybe some people may stay after for a little bit to chop it up with coworkers but trying to imitate the lifestyle of a college environment is something that nobody wants. The people you live with and share a building with tend yo not also be your coworkers. These jobs honestly don't get it
when job hunting, my go to question is to ask them what do they enjoy most about their job. If the recruiter and panelists all mention the campus or extra perks, it's a red flag for me.
That's the thing though, people who want to stay at work generally don't want to be at home for whatever reason. And if people want to do their own thing and go home, why should that mean they're bad at their job? I value my time at home far more than at work, because work is there to pay the bills. Most of us are not changing the world or altering the course of human history, it's a job, you just pick something you can live with doing and do that to afford to have a nice life. Perks are quite frankly insulting when they're offered instead of additional remuneration.
I love my programming job for the most part, but a) after 6-8 hours I'm exhausted and have huge drop in productivity, especially if I work more than that for many days in a row, and b) why should I push myself for no further gain? I'm already, by and large, more productive than my team mates. Luckily I have bosses who are all about work-life balance, and actually started their own company exactly because their previous place was so bad on that, so they actively discourage overtime unless absolutely necessary (perhaps 1 week a year).
@@defeqel6537 1 week "OT" a year? AWESOME place! We put in up to 2 weeks of "OT" PER MONTH... Until they fired the boss a few months back. HARSH awakening coming, they've lost several experts in the months since (They're cleaning house for some reason, maybe to do with The Great Reset discussed at the World Economic Forum? I'm at a bank...)
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I can relate with this video. I was a teacher for 5 years. Most of the teachers did 12 hour shifts everyday. We would be rewarded with a "surprise pizza party". I quit when COVID hit and couldn't be happier.
As a 36 year old who's been working in Tech since 25.... I feel Millennials wanting more... It's not only hard to trust corporations but often management doesn't know what their doing which compounds the most frustrating problems, creates security issues, and generally undermines your technical abilities and intelligence. Why you ask? Because they don't trust you.... I'm actually proud of the younger generation for stepping outside the box, you may not realize it now, but you are making the future better by forcing these corporations to change.
Also also, we Millennials are starting to get to that point where many of us are planning to start families and working 120 hours a week won't work. Most of us aren't young 20 some things anymore
Yeah same XD I would prefer to spend more time with my family than I would at work even if it was something as enticing as research work, no matter how exciting, family is the way.
But according to these people work IS your family. Now work 120 more hours, please. Your boss needs to get that project out yesterday so they can give themselves a salary boost when it goes well. Don't worry though, you and your team can pay $5 on Friday to wear jeans in the office. Take your pittance, serf.
@@randomuserame I've never had an employer question a jump or a gap in my job history once and I have several. I'm not in tech but work in a position that's far from entry level.
@@randomuserame youre only right in the instance there is room to move up..or your in a SME field, working one position or with one company forever doesn't mean you'll move into a senior position either. Unless you idlely waiting for someone to quit, all you're doing is capping salary potential. Instead of going somewhere else to make a 20 to 50% increase in salary, even doing the same "entry level" job...at a corporation with actual growth potential. Unless those 2% wage inflation salary increase really do it for you.That corporate ladder video josh made was spot on.
I love the "we have playstation and xbox and a game room" perk. Yeah if ANYONE is caught even touching those things they go on the layoff list. Its not a perk, its a dipstick to decide who to get rid of.
I've been in a few of those 6 figure a year positions and they tend to be very uncomfortable. Great jobs to work at for a few years but they will age you.
@@ak47ava Two years would be enough for even a very expensive house. All you need is 3% leveraged income and two years of tax returns to obtain a needs list
“These people worked hard for what they learned” - totally agree. Intense amount of sacrifice is often necessary even for he most naturally talented individual.
@@JoshuaFluke1 Thanks to your advice, I’d really like to start my own company with friends and just create fun applications and websites for people. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
@@JoshuaFluke1 I think he'll enjoy it. At the beginning phase of learning anything new is when people become addicted to knowing more. When you get so good that your job doesn't challenge you or becomes so repetitive, that's when you lose interest.
8:40 "Top talent" is just a reflection of the fact that, in reality, a small percentage of workers make most of the progress. I've managed teams (and I manage one now) and the difference between the "average" worker and the best worker is astounding. "Top" workers take the initiative, are independent, lead those around them, are very smart and very efficient. It's the old adage that "80% of the progress is obtained by 20% of the workers". That's why small startup companies can often beat huge behemoths like HP, Microsoft, Facebook or Google.
It's the top workers who get ground to dust because the company expects them to perform like that forever with no time between projects... Imo the top performing workers almost always have the worst attitudes because of this...
@@vlk818 I partially agree. But often, the top workers are also highly driven, and it's their own ambition and competitiveness that works against them in the long run (this is also true for example of entrepreneurs who run their own companies - even though they don't have "bosses", they still work like crazy because they wish to "succeed"). Often, I need to remind such top workers to take a break so they don't burn out. And, if the company is any good, it rewards and retains such excellent performers. So, in some cases you are correct, but in others it's mostly driven by those workers' own choices.
@@MangoldProject I can agree with that. It's human nature to be invested in your work. Companies create working situations that subtly over-encourage this, but then don't reward it. It's why being a job-hopper is a must and why this channel has so many followers.
@@vlk818 Yes. I suppose that just as there are "top workers" who are highly competitive, only 20% of the companies out there are "top companies" which properly nurture and promote their best employees. Perhaps the next time a company asks you if you are top talent, ask them if they are a top company!
It's actually shocking how most people can not comprehend why other people quit... Working to go to work seems normal. There is nothing left! How can that be ok?
You're right. Well, it's consindered okay because the real people in power have designed the system like that. They want a nation of workers and not thinkers...
I love this! Working in IT is extremely draining. People really think that sitting behind the computer is easy. Not when you have to lead a team, complete 25+ tickets each iteration, resolve production bugs, attend meetings (takes half your day), then repeat for the next sprint. I literally take all my money and invest more than 80% because my eyes and brain won't be able to take it for 20+ years.
Here's the deal about those six figures tech jobs or any other. Companies (paying six figures + perks ) * 3, that's how much you will have to return to the company in workload. If you're making $100k plus $20 in perks, you will have to return in $360k in return. Employees are realizing this is a scam and walking away from this companies. Their mental health is more important than a company that's paying your dinner.
@@HackersSun most jobs that pay over $40k annually expect no overtime pay, that's the limit for contractors at least, non government contracting companies are not obligated to pay overtime on salary so they just don't. Sometimes there's an obligation like wartime military or cyber security breaches on oil pipelines or something, but more often than not it's the company trying to do more with less, and sometimes it's people holding you back for their own personal satisfaction.
@Tony Yang not going to argue that. My longest time with a company is 3.5 years and that's just because I kept getting promoted until I capped out and then started my own company.
Nah your point about "Top talent" is spot on. I've been a guitarist for 17 years. I wasn't born good at guitar, that took time and effort. When my friends say I'm talented at guitar, that pisses me off because I'm skilled, not talented. Obviously, they're my friends, so I don't go off on one at them, but it's not a distinction people pay enough attention to.
I work from home, and being a software engineer is so mentally exhausting that I hardly even spend time with my kids (who I literally live with). And it's not even appreciated. All the effort and all I can hear is what went wrong in the sprint and never what was good. It's destroying you mentally, slowly but surely. That's why I'm pissed hearing all that nonsense about just sitting in front of a computer and clicking. Do it yourself. Try, why not. Show me how easy it is. But the thing is, I must somehow pay my rent. And even being a software engineer, I can only dream of ever owning a house. So we're all stuck in this together. Life is tough.
Money is only 'everything' in our modern culture. I was raised Amish, we value God's favor the way you all value money and respect. We work and build whatever you people pay for, and we keep most of the money we make forever.
@@kogorun property taxes and other requirements for staying in the USA and being protected from terrorists/China - render unto Caesar! I inherited millions of dollars in farm land and mineral rights, my kids will be rich because my parents worked hard and smart! They'll pass it on and not waste it like a Yankee =)
I think that a big part of the problem is that the media and politicians constantly hail software development as being the perfect career. This problem is further compounded by words and phrases like "talent" and "just learn to code" which undervalue the work and effort that is required to learn how to make professional quality software. It makes software development seem like a lucrative and easy profession.
The amount of tech stacks you gotta learn to become a web dev/software engineer is ridiculous, and every year it's always changing and you gotta play catch up.
wellllll it caaaaan be. I know a lot of people who get paid big money in tech for not that much work or skill. Then again, after having been in the industry for a bit now, it's easy to see some of the stuff as so basic that anyone can do it. You forget that things like learning your ide/code base/game engine/other software were a big learning curve too. You also tend to forget a lot of the hacks and stuff you end up having to cook up to deal with problems that have no clean solution. Like for me personally, I always forget that not everyone who uses unreal engine knows it like the back of their hand. It's not a hard thing to use per say, but it's a lot to take in. Then all the problems that exist with it under the hood compounded with difficulties of developing for lower end systems or new tech. Really does shift one's perspective of other programming disciplines.
@@lifeartstudios6207 I have the feel like it's the same for every bigger software system. The system I work with is huge and as I'm in the same company for a few years people tend to ask me know how they do x. Only when I have to explain the how I notice that there is a lot and the "easy" thing for me is super hard for anyone who isn't familar with the system ... and I only know a fraction of the system. The expecation that it's super easy to learn and pick up is just wrong.
@@nichtsicher422 if all the documentation was completed and laid out in front of you it would be easy. The problem is that the skilled people spend a lot of time learning the things that aren't taught anywhere.
When I hear the word "family", I cringe. I prefer to be a stranger, we respect each other boundaries because we don't know each other. Being family means having a sibling and/or cousin picking on you because they know how far they can go.
I am old enough that if someone said of a company< We are like family" my first thought would be, "so the company is dead, like my family?" Fortunately I work for a bigger company that is NOT family and they have never tried to go that route.
@meow purr I believe it. Probably the best time period in America in terms of purchasing power was in the 50s and 60s. The US minimum wage in 1965 was the highest it ever was adjusted for inflation
@@ArmenBrass I completely forgot this but fr, its not like they are doing you a favor, they're actually doing themselves a favor. I remeber my last employer didn't tell me this while bringing this up
@meow purr Lower middle class and lower class have fused. There's also not really an upper middle class they have become a sort of middle middle class. This all varies on location however.
"When you don't have money, money is everything. When you do have money, it's not." - This has been the story of my life for a long time in my career until I broke 6-figures and moved out of the city. Now all I want to do is build passive income so I have more time!
This channel is gold. After working as a manager for a corporate dental clinic I completely resonate with every single word you say. That job was absolute burnout, we were so high volume it was hell. Getting through the day with so many patients alone on a crammed schedule was a nightmare, and despite being so busy we still had ridiculous sales goals. So glad I do not work there anymore. Do not ever visit corporate chain dental clinics. Always always do private practice.
Nursing is the same hell on earth. All the altruistic bull 💩 they shove you in college is nothing but straight, steaming piles of 💩 ! It’s ALL about profit at any cost. Despite the effect upon patients and staff, corporate healthcare is a production job. NOTHING or NO ONE is valuable or meaningful except PROFIT !!! The work environment is Dante’s Inferno !!
Denmark offers a great work life balance. I know a dude that was offered a Silicon Valley job but he chose going for a lower paid job in Denmark that actually satisfies him and he has plenty of vacation and normal or less than normal working hours.
This video really speaks to me. My place is the exact same in the sense that once you finish a really mentally taxing project, they just reward you with another one and the treadmill doesn't stop. It can really cause burnout and reduce your productivity. I know it definitely does to me to the point where I feel like a zombie some work days and I might stay later than usual so my load won't be as heavy the next day. This shouldn't happen but it is what it is.
I worked as a data analyst after moving back home from Germany as a project manager. The company I worked for never had a data analyst before so I had 5 years worth of data points for over 400 products (each product had between 5-200 data points each) to go through. I worked there as an agency worker. After 3 months, the manager pulled me in and asked if I wanted to go permanent. I said yes and he said the contract would be given to me a few hours later. End of day, it was put on my desk and I was asked to sign. I skimmed through and looked at the salary. MINIMUM WAGE. MINIMUM WAGE for a law graduate that's managed millions of dollars on public sector aviation projects. Keeping in mind that they were about to lose multiple clients including Rolls Royce - the international sales guy used hiring me as a reason why they should stay with them. That I would streamline the process and prevent bad products from being shipped out. I literally saved two of their biggest contracts just by existing. I went into the office the next day and told him thanks but no thanks and that it was an insult to offer minimum wage. He said "it's just to see how you get on then we can discuss a pay rise" as if I hadn't already worked there for three months and was good enough that he wanted to keep me. Imagine trying to negotiate a salary FROM minimum wage - as if I can convince the manager/owner to pay me $60,000 a year when he's spent the last 12 months paying me minimum wage. I left and ended up joining the army as an officer. Just got out last August and I'm happy I did so.
Not so slowly in my case. I've been working myself ragged in front of a computer for 6 years, I'm 26 and I got health concerns on the horizon right now. My eye sight is fucked, dark circles permanently under said eyes, posture? (lol) , legs? (barely use them), vitamin d? (never heard of it), mental state? (joker) but hey, I've learned a lot and now I can do cool tech things. Can't wait for brain interface VR stuff, I'll be one of the first devs to be able to use it most likely.
@@lifeartstudios6207 I dont understand... You don't need insane effort to be healthy. Get exercise, drink vitamin d, get a break here and there and walk around. It is not much to do, but it dramatically improves your life quality and work short and longterm
Love this, I’ve been working for over 30 years as a software architect (and still do) and you’re right on the money. I work to live, not live to work. I got to work and leave (well, from home). 9-5, that’s it. I don’t want to socialise with my colleagues, don’t wanna do shit team building days and any perks, give it to me in cash. In return, I will do an excellent job. I manage two and will make sure that they log off on time and I will cover them for delays. I set reasonable daily targets and if they’re completed then they are free to log off early and do there own thing. Staff are a companies most valuable resource and should be treated as such. Small teams + quality personnel + good salaries + working conditions = quality output and high staff retention. It’s not hard. Most people have a life outside of work and want to live it to the full. If you don’t, then your doing this all wrong. My little rant.
"I work to live, not live to work. " Thats fine. If you get sick and the company fires you for not working, you should be OK with that. It's just an exchange of money for work and nothing more.
Dude. You are the voice we need. Please keep preaching the truth. I appreciate it and I’m sure countless others do. I don’t understand the mentality over control and forcing us to be back in the office. It started because of the pandemic and now people realize... oh hey we want quality of life, time with our loved ones and flexibility during our work weeks. The assumption and the coercion by employers of trying to make us conform to their vision of hard work and start / finish times, and cultural accepted norms of work functions is borderline sadistic when you think about what the point of it all is.... pushing employees to the point of max productivity like robots. It’s never been about us being treated like humans with these “perks” it’s all about control. Further, many of these corporations likely have connections to the commercial real estate firms, investments, or straight ownership, so justifying offices becomes a financial incentive... but mostly it’s over control and “hey if I can’t see you you’re not working”. It’s excessive and I kept saying that I hope the pandemic brings a positive... and that positive is remote work should be pushed. It’s worse than that, energy companies for example that are trying to reduce carbon footprints, and other type ESG mantras they supposedly try to do by buying renewable electricity or reducing carbon, remote work is never even considered as an option to reduce carbon footprint. If we restructured society we’d be able to reduce a lot of waste by imposing all these requirements. We’ve been able to work on computers for over 3 decades now... and remote has been possible for at least two decades... but really just so easy for the past 15 years... either way, the resistance to fight change and the future is so childish. Let’s call work what it is, an exchange for labor and skills... that can be severed at any time for any reason... the idea of family at work is idiotic. When anyone can they’ll screw someone else over it means saving their own... of course there are exceptions to this but they are minimal... why? Not because people are inherently terrible... but because these are the rules in place to make people pit against each other to keep earning the buck. I had a manager start recently and in the first week sent a message about start / end times and lunch times to be adhered to... in his first week, this was after we had some nice conversations about life etc.... I wonder where the context of those supposed convos went when he suddenly felt the need to impose his restrictions and try to remove autonomy on me. Anyways... sorry for the rant. I am considering starting a new channel to join you in this revolution. All the best J
I'm in construction and I get the same vibes as you man, construction is mentally taxing as well. I think it is work in general that has to change. employers have very high expectations of workers, and a lot cant do the job themselves, all in the name of high profits for owners and shareholders. we need to work to live not live to work.
they should add in a sauna, shower and sleeping parlor, maybe with some corporate gang bang, idk - be creative, be disruptiv, and dont forget being dynamic^^
😏 I did that once...3 days in a row to not miss shifts. By the end of the year, they gave me a .27 cents raise...left. Stopped given an f, and am much happier. Corps deserve the dustbin of history
I avoided college, and will avoid corporate jobs even more than the prior. Solo studying can only be so satisfying, after a day of working at my trade. Have a good one Josh. 😁
He said that he started learning to code. So no, he hasn’t worked in Corp IT field. He would know that all these perks are bait and switch. It sounds great but it’s there to squeeze more productivity out of you for the same amount of pay.
The 'high end' food they showed in the clip was some street vendor food you eat without utensils; seaweed wrap with rice, sashimi, & avocado. I'm sure the food they're giving out has value of under $10 per person. This video kinda paints a bad picture of the "millenials." I'm sure that age range of employees aren't the only ones deciding to leave when the work doesn't make them happy. They're putting in the work and that video is basically roasting them saying "look how good they have it. They must be lazy and entitled if they think they deserve more." So boomers see it and get excited and go on rants. But millenials are defined currently as ages 25-40. They're basically the core of the workforce now.
i would LOVE to have that mentality of coming in and leaving at set hours and not bringing work home but theres always that fear of getting fired for not being productive enough. i used to work a job where id stay a couple hours to finish work but i still got scalded for not doing enough work. then the response is "just quit and move on to the next job". not that easy in a major city where 600+ people apply to 1 job.
Yeah dude. I work and like all the other employees usually have to stay an extra 2-3 hours after our initial clock off if your shift went till the end of the day.
@@GabrielTobing that sounds awful! worst part is i bet you dont even get overtime simply because its a choice you as an employee chose to do even though its really just you making it clear that you dont want to get fired. i ended up getting fired at that job too. working on the weekends wasnt enough for that manager apparently lol i think the new mindset that should be in everyones head is to look at a job as just paid training. dont go into thinking about retirement benefits. look at it as a means to fund my future entrepreneurship and to get the training ill need to succeed. its helped me mentally.
Gen X here: I used to work for a subsidiary of one of the companies you mentioned in this video. While the perks are fine, people quit because of the demands of the job versus the pay: the pay needs to be more than it is. Also, the lack of appreciation at the job. You are just a number and that is it. If you have a major life event such as a death in your family they are not there for you. People figured that out and left. It taught me to never look at another company as “family” again.
People get sick of the team building exercises, I did. I don’t want to share about childhood traumas or other personal issues I can call a therapist if I need to do that. Managers are often tyrannical & pick favorites & abuse people at random. The work isn’t fulfilling either most of the time. Those perks are not great either if you actually take advantage of them you are noticed for it & they don’t like it.
Yeah I am probably the only dislike from an Amish person who doesn't comprehend why any human would ever subject themselves to all of this when you can just build a house and grow food for free. What are you all working for?
@@philcooper9225 Truth. I'm not Amish, but I have trouble comprehending also. I worked with 2 Amish brothers at a factory that wade truck trailers. They were great workers. and the likes are from billionaire wannabes who have had the privileged life of going into post secondary, then waste money on partying and working on their social image, new iphone every release...things, things.. As a blue collar worker most of my life I worked hard and applied skills.. $16 /hr as a team leader for Transmission parts, .. Machined gun barrels and various parts with really narrow tolerances 18/hr lol.. Dishwasher $18.50... I wish I had bean bags, a personal chefs at my job... Even in kitchen you have no time... Not even sure where I am going with this... Id rather build my own house from raw materials nice and proper with a view of my own garden... Now there is a team building activity, get the community together and build a barn in a day. The like votes live in a weird bubble they have no idea what actual work and life is out side of their smartphone..
@@axymyxa6021 coming up from 14 he shifts on a help desk. Where job advancement is based on what tests you pass... Which you can only study in your own time. I'd like to argue a fair bit of IT is blue collar more than not. It was a grind and worse then it had to be. I work as a systems architect now. Nobody thanks their plumber when the toilet flushes... They just complain that the systems down and whine when I get a $8 dinner when I work past 8pm.
Props to you, Josh, for encouraging Jeremiah Young on his coding journey. To me, this video just confirms the fact that all jobs are hard and tech is hard for everyone--including code mentor/teacher Aaron Jack. As you said in the video, talent is overrated. I just need to work hard and treat people with kindness and respect. Coding is not everything but is the gateway to more money and other milestones in life.
I like your content dude, am from Nairobi,Kenya and I learn a lot about America's tech scene from your priceless videos. This is especially helpful as I am actively seeking a remote job from the U.S
Joshua my man, you have cojones for telling us always the truth. This is why this channel is so unique, me and my friends are always sharing your videos, thank you and keep rocking!!
Very thankful at where I'm at in life. Even though i've been in tech, I'm used to making more than average but because of where I'm at I'm also used to being compensated well below industry norms. That's changed in the past 15 years and I've been more than comfortable and have been in positions that allow me to stretch my skills and grow. And after having a youth mired in debt; student loans and credit cards, I finally paid off the last of my credit cards and my car loan within the last 3 years so I am operating at zero debt. So now I'm free to do what I like to do. If I want something more than I can afford, I save up for it. Simple as that. But I can also say with the rent increases around here, I'm extremely thankful to have this 6 figure salary I do have and that I've stuck in my career enough that I can command more in the next job. But yes, most of those perks are there to get you to spend more time in the office. Instead of calling it crunch time, they want you to blur your work/life to the point that there is no longer any separation. Get an email at 3am....well, gotta jump on and get that fixed. Got a text on your approved vacation time...well, you need to put that fire out before you go hit the beach, I guess. Thankfully I'm not in that position and I'm very rigid in my work/life time even though I work from home. Different desks, different computers. Work computer gets turned off every night and I am unreachable until the next morning.
"All you do is sit at computer and press buttons! How the hell are You that stressed?" "Do YOU know which buttons to push? No? Does anyone else you know? no? THAT'S WHY I get paid like that. You don't understand it, and honestly, neither do most of my bosses and expect shit that is not realistic."
@@nagyzoli What?! No, just no. It's as if you said "Being a doctor is easy cuz a construction worker can learn how to be a doctor in about 6-8 years" lmao don't compare jobs, everyone decides which sector to work in.
@@nagyzoli Its an easier job but with a larger barrier. You're right though I did 60 hour weeks in a warehouse for awhile and it literally any time that I wasn't moving boxes I would be sleeping or struggling to make it to mcdonalds because I was too tired to eat. Shit will wreck you
A lot of good points made in this video, but the one that really hit home for me was the concept of being your own boss versus working for someone else. At the end of the day, if you're not the boss, then you have to 100% trust the person that is the boss to make the right decisions. I'm sure there are those cases, but I have yet to find a boss, regardless of how "nice" they are, that I can trust to make the right decisions. Working hard right now to move over to a lifestyle where I am my own boss, and never looking back.
That mention you made of “purchasing power” is getting more poignant by the second, considering that toilet paper is currently produced with more economic wisdom than the USD.
Purchasing power is such a major concern, it really is. It's half the issue with wages in the US. Living in China, I made roughly $1000 USD a month, but my purchasing power there was really high. I was financially well-off to the point that I could save money at the end of the month after all my living expenses. Here in the US, I am making double that right now curtesy of 2020， but the purchasing power here is so ridiculously low for that amount of money (at least in my area). Wages don't really mean much if they don't bring you a satisfactory level of purchasing power.
talent comment reminded me of something I'd run across. From what I recall when people see a person that's doing something well they just assume it's because it was intrinsic and don't really consider the possibility that it came from hard work, long hours, dedication, and spent time. I agree it diminishes peoples hard work.
All these large business owners and large businesses are trying to keep tech salaries in check and as low as possible. I think they are behind these crap advertisements.
Hey my guy, I know you said a while back that the channel doesn't get as much interest as it used to, or something like that, but I think a lot of your newest stuff is some of the best, and I'm thinking the algorithm might just need some time to catch up.
I am about to quit my almost 6 figure IT job, only 2 years after graduating. When you don't have money you're in survival mode, when you've reached a point in life where you already have everything, going to work just for the sake of making money is soul crushing. What happened to this person who had so many plans in life? This person ended up in "corporate", where everything is made in the objective of "streamlining" everything and basically remove your abilities to create and be your own person. Perks don't matter if you don't see a purpose in your work other than being good at what you do. You can go anywhere and get the same job and be as good. Why stay? My advice, if you make more than 75K, start thinking about what you really want in life? Chances are, if it doesn't work out, you can always come back to a 75K job or more. Much better to live a life with a purpose than doing the same routine for 25 years and not accomplish anything in life other than recognition from others about the company you work for, your title and salary.
Great video, Josh! Context is everything. Just because someone makes what is seen as a lot of money, it is important to factor in things, like cost of living, workload, mortgage, etc. That money can easily dry up very quickly in areas where cost of living is higher. Burn out is real. To not have time to recuperate and being bombarded with taxing material gets to be a lot, especially if you are no longer interested in what you're doing. The courage that people have to recognize that they want better should be applauded. It's really the experiences and your definition of happiness that are most important. If you aren't getting those things, it's time to change, like these people are doing. Awareness is key. Great work!
I feel like sooner or later I would have discovered your channel lmao. I didn't feel like perks are special from the start. I view jobs as... jobs? It's not fun, but you can choose a more tolerable one. But then there's my friends who are so excited about all of that. Didn't question any of that and just got on with everything. I thought I was insane because all I could see was sth soul-draining. (Again there are more tolerable ones, and I'm glad I have that). That is until I discovered this channel and I feel easier to breath.
This is one of those things that sucks about being a hermit. The "average person" might desire things like travel, vacation, fine dining, massages, saunas, and whatnot. But me? This kind of stuff just doesn't interest me in the slightest. Give me a computer & internet access, and I have all that I need to be content.
Hello me. It's a blessing and a curse to be content with so little. Some more ambition would be nice but I get exhausted just thinking about joining the crowd and feverishly chasing a never ending goal at the cost of my mental health.
That's WHY they have those perks cause they know hermits, neck beards etc won't use them. The family one is a joke given a lot of MEN that gravitate to these jobs are NOT the men women will marry.
I want you to know this video is being referenced in a university 600-level software engineering course on the topic of why turnover is so high in tech. You make some good points, even if some of your other opinions are fringe. Nonetheless, good content!
"When you don't have money, money is everything. When you do have money, it's not." TRUTH
Church!
time is more valuable once you have money
@@KarlDahlquist true
@@KarlDahlquist and you're health is more valuable once you have time
Only money obsessed people would say something like this
I’m so fucking tired about hearing about corporate “families”. I’ve never wanted feel like my job is a family. I like to have friendly relationships with my colleagues, but that’s as far as it goes.
how true, your only duty is to do the job well, and be pleasant, cooperative, and friendly to work with.
Say this kind of stuff on Reddit or other forums and you get downvoted to oblivion for being so "negative". I want to be cordial with my coworkers, but we all know that as soon as one of us leaves the company we are working at we probably won't ever talk again. It's like when you graduated from high school and everyone moved away. You might keep in touch with the closest of friends but everyone else moves on.
And when things go wrong, these so called "members of your family" or "friends" end up trashing you with your superiors, betraying you or blaming you for everything, i.e: not reaching an impossible deadline in time.
There way to brainwash you.
Every job I have had that said they were like a family turned out to be awful with terrible management and unhappy employees. The only exception was the company that hired me but then never brought me on, so I guess I technically never saw what working there was like! They gave me an offer letter, onboarded me, set me up for orientation, and then... never scheduled the actual orientation. Radio silence from them. It was the pandemic, but still. I had to track HR down myself, found out my HR contact had left, managed to contact her supervisor, and then found the position had been canceled. They didn't tell me, I had to get it out of them. Insane.
I’m a boomer. I remember a time when we were told that computers would make our work lives easier. What happened is management piled the work of three people onto one person. Automation has not made the work easier, but instead more demanding and stressful.
I saw a meme about the government adding a 25th hour to the day and companies trying to figure out how they could get people to work for that extra hour.
Anyone who said automation was going to make life easier never understood the point of capitalism.
The rich get their wealth from exploiting labor. No matter how much easier work gets, they'll just twist the laws to make us work more.
"Why Millennials Are Leaving Six-Figure Jobs" bruh I left my 5 figure job that demanded 6 figure skills
yeah, typical capitalists - suck you dry, (try to) give nothing in return!
@@gameon2000 capitalism is good. Cronie capitalism is bad.
Supply and demand goes both ways.
If there isn't enough people willing to do a job supply and demand dictates you need to pay more. The idea that cheap labor has to be perpetual is a clear lack of understanding into human behavior.
@@laverdadbuscador That and if you allow yourself to be sucked dry, then it's your fault and not someone else's. If someone is willing to do a 200k job for 50k and they do it good enough, why would anyone say no?
@@laverdadbuscador
Capitalism = cronyism. They are two slightly different flavors of the same tyranny.
@@laverdadbuscador crony capitalism doesn’t exist it’s not capitalism it’s something else
What people dont seem to get is that Joshua only brings awareness to these kind of corporate traps, to make you work more. This week at my college we had an animation studio being presented to us, and they used the words "disruptive" "young" "diverse" "dinamic" without actually talking about how the studio works itself, all of this put into a very nice video showing the people.
I was laughing while thinking " if it wasnt for josh i would have fallen into this trap" , and by the looks of my classmates, they were thinking the same.
So, thank you Josh for making these videos, im in the animation/videogame industry, but now I can see a pattern with these companies. Thank you
Exactly
Well said!
Agreed
Can't agree more..
Is like the startup slang...
People quit a job because the environment is toxic, the pay sucks, and there no room to grow and you don't get anything for your hard work. Making money is good but you shouldn't be working long hours and you should have time for yourself. It's so hard to find a decent company. Everyone wants you to work but no one wants to reward you.
This right here.
Companies are not welfare. They only pay you the bare minimum, including perks, to maximize profits, as long you generate those profits for the investors and CEOs. If you have rough times, burn out or other health problems, that massages can't fix, you are gone.
@@TheBadFred Hence being a mercenary is completely justified. worker : company = company : worker
No company wants/cares for you to live
Your 100% right Kevtech and I love your channel.
My employer offers "Unlimited Paid Time Off". I got a "talking to" for using it. My boomer manager straight up told me we actually only get three weeks. It's a bait and switch.
yeah i got a talking to for leaving early even though i came early. after that, came in on time and leave on time. and my boss during a review notes im not dedicated. i was like wtf
@@asadb1990 that is trash, I am so sorry you have such a shitty manager
LOL and my favorite response from Managers when I call them out on their dishonesty they always say they are management therefore they can do what they want...
@@DanEMO592 yeah stuck around way too much thinking dude is mentoring me when in reality he had me stuck in my role. and when he got promoted because his boss retired, he lays me off.
@@chasingsunsets87 yeah my boss bragged he had "put in his dues" and as such could do what he wanted but people at my level needed supervisor approval.
I'm not a millennial. I've been a software developer for over 20 years, and this guy is absolutely right... about all of it.
"We had someone like you and team morale was terrible" Yeah it couldn't have anything to do with the team being mismanaged, not appreciated or not paid enough; it must have been the guy who dared to point out the obvious.
Or being fed with corporate claptrap :/
Lol ignorance is bliss
There's a saying: don't shoot the messenger
I agree with morale stuff, but this is a blowoff, maybe he wasn't shouting out then but now he does.
Attitude makes job better, I agree, only that, when the time comes for you to have to look at life for what it really is, that everything is beautifull when they have their value is respected, just be aware you will want to blow off then.
Life is a bit more than "programming is my life" that some of the kindest people in the industry will push and look for. The truth is that, even if you stay out pass working hours. it's still worth having some time watching stuff here and there, analizing what you did, what you undestand, trying to understand more, taking some thinking momentum and using it to look at the world.
This makes your mind even more hole and it's not unlikely that you can get an even better thinking as you brain is equally fed (with information and what you hunger for).
Pressure is good, it gets you moving, but you need to expand out of it. And mind evolves and expands the same way as muscles only grow back when you rest after physical effort. It needs freedom or removal of some of the constraint, it needs good stuff and also some of the stuff you long for, good or not that good that are rest as much as sleeping is rest.
And we do live in an industry where we are trained to solve problems and think. It's not unlikely to get to some conclusions just because of this kind of training. The more you are pushed to the limit, the more pronne you are to redraw in your confort zone where only what you want or long for resides.
@@dafonline speaking of claptrap how about the scandals of borderlands and gearbox 😂
I'm about to be 30, quit my job at the post office after 5 years, currently job hunting, and beginning to realize that most jobs/careers are no different. The cost of living is ridiculous and work/life balance is nonexistent.
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you quit your job before having something else lined up? How do you pay your own way?
@@drw-007 I saved up a lot of money. I'm a trucker now and have the weekends off.
Welcome to the American Nightmare. "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was getting people to believe he doesn't exist" - from infancy we Americans are literally programmed with propaganda about the American Dream. It's only a dream for 1-2% of the 330 million people that live here.
My husband just quit the post office as well now that's a job that works you to the bone and doesn't pay to match
Not just tech a lot of people are leaving their high paying jobs once they realise they can’t keep up with the corporate games, no sane adult wants to have some clown questioning their every move during the work day. Give me a deadline and all the necessary tools and I’ll see you when I’m done.
Seriously my boss at dominoes would ask less of me than a corporate job fuck the puppetry
Scrum has made this worse! I hate IT now!!!
@@bh844 Micro managed by managers, Scrum "Masters" and peers, A living bloody hell!
Add to that - the office politics. Corporates have given a fancy name to politics by calling it "networking"
Exactly! Too much micromanagement.
All these corporate simps fighting for companies that wouldn't fight for them and will replace them in a heartbeat is hilarious.
Fax
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If you're willing to pay $140K for a remote job where the person lives in California, you should pay me that for the same job regardless of my personal location. That's what the job is worth to you, so pay it.
Sadly that's not how it works
@@tkdevlop Isn't that discrimination ? I'd like to see them explain why in court. When you are paying two equally qualified employees differently based on their location, there is no justification for that.
@@tkdevlop But that's how it should work. Why should my pay be dependent on my monthly expenses? If the job is worth $140K, that's what it's worth. My location should be irrelevant.
@@JodyBruchon in our exploitative capitalistic system employers pay you as little as they can get away with. They pay people in high cost areas more because people ask for more money because of increased living expenses.
@@aomorzon isn’t it fucked up how companies everywhere just pay us all the bare minimum for us to survive so we can keep working for them? Basically these companies are compensating us for our skills they’re compensating us for our lives.
I am jealous of Millennials. They are making corporations change for the better. At my job I have been at for 16 years changed their time off policy to attract Millennials. Good for them. I wish my generation had done that. Don't run the rat race if your passions change! It's your life, live it. Very insightful video.
Honestly tech was never my "passion" just something I could see myself doing for a long time. Mainly I wanted to use the high salary to fuel my other hobbies/endeavors
this
Yes. I bought into the "follow your passion" mentality then realized a career should be something you at least don't mind doing. Getting paid for a passion or hobby would just make you hate it.
@@jeff6413 What is your passion then if you do not mind me asking?
@@kamil4151
Sometimes politics, although that becomes exhausting. Helping family members organize their bills / make things run more efficiently. Although it's a skill that is helpful in daily life, I don't wish to monetize it.
I have an on again-off again interest in cults and how they manipulate people. I fell into the trap of the Landmark Form (a self improvement pyramid scheme) 21 years ago. I have wanted to learn what red flags to look for so I don't get sucked in again.
I also have a cynicism for American corporate culture so the algorithm started recommending Joshua Fluke's videos. He covers both topics frequently.
@@jeff6413 Well that would be rather complicated alternative career path :) My plan (while I am passionate for tech, 13 years in development/consulting freelancing), I have an alternative myself, but its in the realms of beachside coffeeshop/bookstore thing, with emphasis on the beach and warm climate.
"I kinda bring that 'we should all quit' vibe to the office" lol same
I love the folks that are like, "But I like my free food and ping pong table. It's not always about the money." when the company almost 100% certainly weighed the results reported from other companies of giving $X in raises vs spending $X/4 on bulk catering and found that the cheaper catering gets approximately the same result or better and so the 3 suits who figured that out got a raise out of the savings. It's absolutely about the money. The PR campaign for ice cream parties on your birthday or unlimited PTO has worked great, because they've bought more of your labor for less than the rate at which you told them you sell it, and here you are defending them as they pocket your cash. You want catering? Get 20 employees together and put together a catering order with the actual money they pay you. FFS.
These "perks" operate the same way the insurance racket... errr, I mean industry does. They know that most people will never actually use the perks (for a variety of reasons), so they save a bunch of money that they'd otherwise traditionally pay out as a salary while still getting the positive publicity.
I don't care for that cult-like crap some employers do to keep you in the office/on campus on the cheap but it's not "your cash". No one said there was a give the money to you option on the table.
@@BTrain-is8ch That's really a matter of how you view your pay and the the value of your "perks" vs the value of your work. Let's say you value your work at $100k USD, your pay is $80k, and the company perks are worth $15k (just for round numbers with the understanding that these values are definitely different). Either the company is pocketing $5k of the value you assigned for your work or you suddenly decide your time and expertise are worth $5k less. You don't make more when they eliminate perks, so when the $5k in catered lunches gets cut under new management, the company saves money and you either need to accept that your effort is now valued at $90k vs the $100k you started at or start looking for someone who matches your personal valuation. At what point do you feel that the value of that compensation stops belonging to you?
@@cgdev6112 In your example your services are worth 95k not 100k. Your time, like all other goods, is only worth what you can convince someone else to buy it for.
If I think my time is actually worth 100k I'm not even considering an offer that's 90k + 10k in perks. 100k + 10k in perks? Ok maybe because that offer satisfies my actual demands but not the alternative.
I don't think this problem actually exists in reality or at least not among most of the workforce.
@@BTrain-is8ch "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" (Google it, it's not an attack, it's an example of controlling the frame of discussion. Basically, by controlling the options, you control the person's behaviors. If they say No, they're still beating her; If they say yes, they DID beat her; if they refuse to answer, they're combative and hiding something; if they say it's an invalid question, they';re argumentative and hiding something. Like asking a kid what they want for breakfast, cereal, or eggs? The option to not have breakfast was never an option.)
I'm a software dev with 15+ yrs exp and I see all these fancy vehicles at work. I still drive my 2002 Nissan Frontier truck. I just do. I love it. stick shift, 4 door crew cab, and I don't bother washing or waxing it except about once or twice per year. Cheap tax, cheap insurance (liability only) and best of all, I do all maintenance myself. That. That alone (plus the invested proceeds) since the day I purchased that truck has made me hundreds of thousands of dollars, over the other folk who purchase new fancy vehicles every few years. I love my freedom. Money brings freedom. IMO, my vehicle is the fanciest on the lot to me. Because my vehicle allows me the freedom to walk off the job tomorrow if I really, really want to. I'm in my early 50s and sooo glad I still have the vehicle I purchased in my early 30s and learned to fix everything on myself. My personal path to freedom. Just putting that out there.
If you truly enjoy software development, you won't get mad at someone for quitting, you wish him good luck and to find something he/she truly enjoys. When I see people get mad at others for this, it usually tells that me that these people hate what they are doing themselves, but can't or don't want to quit for reasons and get frustrated when they see someone that manages to achieve what they failed to. These reactions are nothing more than layers of coping mechanism being shaken after accumulating for so many years.
Very well put.
It's a giant narcissistic cult and they hate anyone that leaves it or wises up to it
A lot of the comments appear to be from people that work outside the industry, like the guy that was like "I'll just work 120 hrs, get paid overtime, and retire at 40". Anybody who actually works in the industry knows that's not how it works. If these people are jealous, they can train themselves up to do the job too and they'll quickly find out what everybody's been warning them about all along.
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Seems like it should be that simple. I don't go looking to work a job that I hate and if I have to deal with a job that I don't like, just to pay the bills, I'll do that until I find something more pleasurable. *shrugs
When I tell people I worked in Electronic Banking for 5 years, they seem impressed. It was sooooo soul crushing. I'd seriously rather live in the woods than go back. I was suicidal, developed a twitch in my neck, and grew to hate every single human being.
I work in one of these fancy "Blue chip" companies. Same, leaving as soon as i can find something better and don't care if it's not in IT.
Living in the woods is actually one of my goals!
I'm not in tech, or even a six figure job; but I do alright. The peace of the forest is always something I've loved. Just thought I'd throw that out there. :3
That was me at a accounting firm. NEVER again..
"Top talent" is one of those "unicorn" terms used by human resources.
there is a severe lack of skilled senior engineers, which is why they earn 400k a year
Clearly you just need to see the real value of all of the opportunity this position would be offering you.
Diligent average talent beats slowpoke top talent any day.
@@Adamatere no there isn't. There's a lack of competence in those with the degrees
they have so many sh!tty HR terms. I was asked if I was a rockstar at Excel once. I knew I was going to turn them down (lots of red flags) so I said "like pete townshend? show up late, maybe drunk (depending on the time of day), jam out formulas on my keyboard then destroy it? Sometimes." It got a laugh and no call back (thank the gods).
It's sad to see so many people in software development believe that a company gives them all those "perks" as an extra, when in fact they are in lieu of regular pay. So instead of paying me $20,000 more, they give me $4,000 in perks/benefits. I'd much rather take the $20,000 and pay for my own perks. There are very few and specific cases (like health insurance) where the negotiating power of a large corporation can get you perks that individually you cannot get, but otherwise they're just meant to distract you from the fact that you get ripped off.
Agreed
The thing is, when some people have their level of needs meet on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, they naturally move up in attempts to achieve self-actualization. The big thing working most jobs does is prevent people from reaching self-actualization, so people make and save enough money and move on.
I had a friend in his 30s who was working a phenomenal job at Intel, and out of nowhere and for no obvious reason a few years ago, he quit. He has been travelling the world and living his life. I thought he was crazy for just leaving such a high paying job, but looking at how working for most organizations is nowadays, I understand him more and more.
If you can have that much money to just say 'Fuck it' and go travel, yeah who wouldnt.
Yeah or they try to make companies with a purpose for them
No corporation, or government for that matter, wants self-reliant individuals.
It kinda cuts the leash they have on your life. If you can make it without them, they can't profit from you. :3
When I was in tech, I had a memorable conversation with one of my coworkers, "gotta keep the paychecks coming..." he said, perpetually miserable with the job despite all the "perks."
I really couldn't relate. I was here because it was right for me at the time. This job had problems like any other but I didn't need to stay, especially if I was feeling miserable.
Josh, you are preaching the truth to those open to hearing it:
1. Never rely on just once source of income.
2. Avoid that lifestyle creep, live below your means.
3. Own vrs. rent your house
4. Working for yourself is always more rewarding than working for someone else.
These companies are just biding their time until they can automate your job, why be loyal? They won't.
But they can't, problem and creative solving actually takes a lot and is not easily replicable with technology. Until AI reach a certain point it's not going to happen
Issue is, these people create tech, and tech can not create tech. They require personnel and they're not replaceable by machines. You can not program a machine to create code from scratch, to create more code from scratch, it doesn't work that way. You create code to input into a machine to create clones of one specific thing. So you can automate say an assembly line. But you can not automate the creation of the machines that are used on the assembly line, nor the technology/software backing it. So... you're point is actually mute. That is why TECH companies will pay people so much. They're not replicable. You get paid that much because that is how valuable you are to the company, it isn't the other way around. You're also contracted, you do not have to stay, and they know this, this is why they pay so much because they WANT you to stay.
@@Alte.Kameraden my point is mute...what are you some edgy kid lol.
Through the synergy of different technologies like cloud computing, big data, the IOT, RFID and cognitive computing. Many jobs that would appear to be solidly in the domain of man are already being preformed by machine.
Alot of junior developers don't build code from scratch, they do what? Look on stack for the answers. There's no reason why for many tasks an algorithm couldn't be used to build the foundations of a scoped project with a senior developer checking the work. Boom the need for junior developers is massively reduced overnight.
A machine can't do out and out knowledge work but it can take alot of the work out of the work.
@@Alte.Kameraden They cant do it now, but what about 20 years later? 100 years ago they said flying in planes like we do today is impossible, now 3-4 years later spacex is going to send a rocket to mars which is a 6 month journey. I dont say that every coding job will be automated but entry to mid stuff and administration work will be automated. Also today python for example has libraries whith blocks people use in programming, no one programs from ground up anymore, they use different tools and systems which make programming faster and easier, this wont stop and will continue to get more sophisticated. look at the computers 20 years ago. when we look back it looks primitive, cumbersome and we laugh about it.
@@Pestbringer89 Think you just missed the point a 6 figure income for 20+ years even 10+ years is significant.
I remember watching a video on the subject about two years ago, how you could work in the tech industry even in a high rent part of California and save up enough in 5-10 years to move away to a low income, low cost area and start up your own business, it's why the industry actually has such a high turnover rate is because people actually make that much money, that they can afford to leave. Unlike people with dead end jobs with low income who if they quit may struggle to find another job, while also not having money to keep them on their feet.
Having a 6 figure income actually gives you considerably more flexibility than other demanding but lower paying fields.
You couldn't dream of making that much money say being a teacher, a historian, a writer, musician, or artist unless you were insanely lucky. Let alone people with labor jobs as a career.
Issue is, you don't need to work 20 years in that sector, you're set for life unless you're a needless spender after about 10 years. You can work 20-30+ years somewhere else, and not even make what you'd make in 2-3 years in the tech industry. That is how dramatic the difference is.
I'm a Software Engineer. Your comments about a "promotion" being out of your (as a worker) control hit me deep in the feels. No matter how hard I work, the carrot keeps getting dangled further out of reach....
Leave for another company
Haha. Now you’re learning.
Something about experiencing abusive relationships in your personal life definitely make you more indignant toward manipulation, no matter how well that manipulation is gussied up.
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True dat!
Couldn't agree more.
It also makes you really good at returning it tbh
@@Pointlessparodys No, it doesn't. If you, the abusers have won over you as you now become one of them.
I hate those "you make X money, how can you complain" comments. Well somewhere there's a person in great pain in a hospital bed who has just been told they won't survive the night. Should we all just accept every bad thing that ever happens to us with a smile our face then?
I don't think someone needs to be satisfied with everything about their job just because their salary is high.
Okay so just think about how it would feel to have to work at a job that keeps you below the poverty line. When your at where people want to be your problems dont compare to thiers look up and you will see everyone has something to complain about.the best advice you can tell th is you'll see
Athletes making tens of millions complain about their salaries. It's just human nature so it's difficult to fault people, but I can guarantee that you'll be happier without the "more" as a perfect salary.
"3x the salary of public school workers", WHO ALSO AREN'T GETTING PAID ENOUGH.
These people lack self-awareness.
maybe teachers could get paid more if computer science was part of their curriculum at an early age, at least then a lot more students were able to get into technology after highschool and pay more taxes. (because there would be more people at a higher income)
It's almost like the biggest part of the public sector, which is funded by tax money, cannot make more than biggest earners in the private sector..
Naw, they’ll replace teachers with AI and pre-recorded lectures voiced by fifteen.AI before paying them a cent more.
Teachers where I live get paid pretty well- starting is $75,000 a year with great benefits and they get a fat pension when they hit retirement
The avg teacher in my city starts at 55k, 90% of the society makes 22k per yr
at my last high pressure analyst job, i was not sleeping well, not working out, working 10-12 hrs a day (sometimes weekends), constantly dreading work and was shitting blood. I knew at at some point, my health was way more important so i quit and got a job with better work life balance. I was making more money at the analyst job but i wasn't happy at all and my health was decaying...
Its crazy those hours are even legal. Hours should be capped in the US, at least in terms of what you can work at one job
what're you doing now?
I've recently been looking for a better job recently due to these videos. I agree that we aren't looking for fuckin pizza parties, we're looking for more money, stop spending salaries at a time on shit that just infuriates their workers. Keep making these videos and I'll keep watching them
Schools do the same thing investing in stupid crap that increases the cost of tuition. I'm there to get an education and a piece of paper.
Pizza parties wtf is wrong with you all lmao people make fun of us Amish and our lifestyle but right now y'all are looking like some kids out here
@@philcooper9225 how are you on the internet my guy, I thought they told you no technology 🤔
@@bzbrian-wav6997 lmao cell phones got invented they can be hidden and some of us leave and become 'former' Amish
@@philcooper9225 Nothing wrong with pizza parties, if your coworkers are fine to be with, why not spend some good time with them. But when it's something initiated by the hierarchy everybody is much stiffer and more rigid and the pizza party is less fun. So those parties should be a choice agreed on by workers not something organized by hierarchy.
Josh you make me laugh. The unapologetic honesty is refreshing & WAY past due in corporate america. I've been denied jobs bc I tell the truth during interviews. "Why are you interested in us?" My answer: Honestly, money. They look at me like 😳😒. Lol. Ppl work to get paid, avoid burnout & to get recognized for skills (aka PAID for their work), promoted if desired & flexibility.
@ippos_khloros when they hear you say Money is the reason they don't like it because they know you are aware of your worth and willing to ask or pursue more. Believe it or not there are so many people out there who have no idea how much they get paid or when because their dear husband handles such pesky details of their life as finances lol. I know I know, when I learned these people/women exist I was floored.... because I know every detail of how/when I get paid and I follow up immediately if stuff doesn't add up.
I heard about unlimited time off... My first impression was "hell mother F*ing NO". No way I would agree to that. I want my specified 30 days, + public holidays, +sick leave + parental leave..
(I am on the right side of the pond if you didn't guess that)
Yeah 30 days lol
@@JoshuaFluke1 I laughed when I read that too. If you get 2 weeks here plus a few paid holidays you're lucky. Unless you've been with a company for a thousand years, then you might get 3weeks.
@@Casinogirl56 hello... i negotiated 8k extra, hoping they would meet me in the middle, they gave me all of 8k and a whole 30 days vacation... makes me wonder sometimes... what have I gotten myself into ..
@@Ebizzill If it was that easy, imagine what you could have gotten if you really pushed for it.
@@JoshuaFluke1 that's something im going to remember for the next time an opportunity comes up. Im pretty new in the field, I was even hesitant to renegotiate, so I went with a lower number just to see what would happen.. next time.. instead of 8k.. im going for 50k more.. let's see what happens.
"Not everything is meant to convert into cash value"... I mean, the sole purpose of a company is to make money so yes, everything does translate into cash value
Jeremiah is a liar saying he's willing to work 120 hours lol...As someone who does accounting at an investment bank our quarterly ends can be hell. Around 100 hours. Trust me after 60 hours you won't care about the "extra money" you simply want to go home and relax. Please don't willingly work that much for a company
Banks are the worst. The number of hours screams too much work, understaffed, and poor processes. This is a perfect example that systems in 2021 have not helped its made working environments worse!
I push myself like 90 hours a week average for my own company. Sometimes you just got to do it to carve out a place for yourself. I won't have to do it forever, but man it is certainly killing me.
@@bh844 I have to disagree on the processes bit.
The processes are meeting their goals! Which are basically, make improvement impossible, insulate management from the problems, make the peons work more and harder and longer to get anything done at all.
Yes, I work at a bank.
Yes, I'm a cynic.
Yes, they need CN- in their diet... There is no progress without cleaning out the problems.
Man I totally feel the “once you have money then money is not the top priority”
It becomes a treadmill, everyone wants more money just to spend more and buy a bigger boat, car or house.
And it honestly is a disease, people get infected and one day they realice they worked 30+ years at a meaningless job, away from family.
But this is one of those things you don’t get until you experience them.
Love the rants dude!
It's funny how all companies do the same thing as each other, they follow the college method where they make it literally like a college campus so you don't have to leave.
It's so cringe it's repellent.
I literally go nuts in places like that
@Alpha Omega 100% corporate america if not worse than College
@@angryengine9616 well yeah cringe = visually repelled lol
The difference is the point that makes college fun is a fact that it's communal living. The creation of the suburbs has kind of gotten rid of that. You live pretty isolated lives in suburbia and it's kind of depressing. When it comes to employment however, nobody wants t&e imitation of communal living. We're there to work and go the fuck home.
Now maybe some people may stay after for a little bit to chop it up with coworkers but trying to imitate the lifestyle of a college environment is something that nobody wants. The people you live with and share a building with tend yo not also be your coworkers.
These jobs honestly don't get it
when job hunting, my go to question is to ask them what do they enjoy most about their job. If the recruiter and panelists all mention the campus or extra perks, it's a red flag for me.
That's the thing though, people who want to stay at work generally don't want to be at home for whatever reason. And if people want to do their own thing and go home, why should that mean they're bad at their job? I value my time at home far more than at work, because work is there to pay the bills. Most of us are not changing the world or altering the course of human history, it's a job, you just pick something you can live with doing and do that to afford to have a nice life. Perks are quite frankly insulting when they're offered instead of additional remuneration.
I love my programming job for the most part, but a) after 6-8 hours I'm exhausted and have huge drop in productivity, especially if I work more than that for many days in a row, and b) why should I push myself for no further gain? I'm already, by and large, more productive than my team mates. Luckily I have bosses who are all about work-life balance, and actually started their own company exactly because their previous place was so bad on that, so they actively discourage overtime unless absolutely necessary (perhaps 1 week a year).
learned a new word today, thanks!
@@defeqel6537 1 week "OT" a year? AWESOME place!
We put in up to 2 weeks of "OT" PER MONTH... Until they fired the boss a few months back.
HARSH awakening coming, they've lost several experts in the months since (They're cleaning house for some reason, maybe to do with The Great Reset discussed at the World Economic Forum? I'm at a bank...)
@@steyraug96 Yeah, it is. Too bad your bosses haven't realized yet that OT doesn't mean more gets done.
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I can relate with this video. I was a teacher for 5 years. Most of the teachers did 12 hour shifts everyday. We would be rewarded with a "surprise pizza party". I quit when COVID hit and couldn't be happier.
"I bring that we should all quit vibe to the office and the bosses don't usually like that"......I felt that
As a 36 year old who's been working in Tech since 25.... I feel Millennials wanting more... It's not only hard to trust corporations but often management doesn't know what their doing which compounds the most frustrating problems, creates security issues, and generally undermines your technical abilities and intelligence. Why you ask? Because they don't trust you.... I'm actually proud of the younger generation for stepping outside the box, you may not realize it now, but you are making the future better by forcing these corporations to change.
"And they hated him because he spoke the truth"
8:31 "top talent is crucial*
*camera literally pans over to a dude browsing facebook*
Also also, we Millennials are starting to get to that point where many of us are planning to start families and working 120 hours a week won't work. Most of us aren't young 20 some things anymore
Yeah same XD
I would prefer to spend more time with my family than I would at work even if it was something as enticing as research work, no matter how exciting, family is the way.
but what about freeee pizzaa dayyyyss
@@MichalLSK That's why I walk home some days and use the money I would usually pay for transport for pizza on my way home.
@@GabrielTobing and get better pizza
But according to these people work IS your family. Now work 120 more hours, please. Your boss needs to get that project out yesterday so they can give themselves a salary boost when it goes well. Don't worry though, you and your team can pay $5 on Friday to wear jeans in the office. Take your pittance, serf.
Been in tech for 20 years. Josh is “SPOT ON”!!! Keep forging JOSH! You’re one of the brave and smart ones that was able to escape! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙌🏼
Honestly, job hopping is great. I get a high off serving a 2 weeks notice.
Its funny that companies only appreciate you when you decide to leave.
I wouldn't even give a 2 weeks notice. Fuck 'em.
You have to be either the *best* salesperson to explain away all those jumps, or you only work entry level jobs.
@@randomuserame I've never had an employer question a jump or a gap in my job history once and I have several. I'm not in tech but work in a position that's far from entry level.
@@randomuserame youre only right in the instance there is room to move up..or your in a SME field, working one position or with one company forever doesn't mean you'll move into a senior position either. Unless you idlely waiting for someone to quit, all you're doing is capping salary potential.
Instead of going somewhere else to make a 20 to 50% increase in salary, even doing the same "entry level" job...at a corporation with actual growth potential.
Unless those 2% wage inflation salary increase really do it for you.That corporate ladder video josh made was spot on.
I love the "we have playstation and xbox and a game room" perk. Yeah if ANYONE is caught even touching those things they go on the layoff list. Its not a perk, its a dipstick to decide who to get rid of.
I've been in a few of those 6 figure a year positions and they tend to be very uncomfortable. Great jobs to work at for a few years but they will age you.
I'd work like a dog for 10 years. Save save save pay your house off and leave.
@@ak47ava Why dont you just get a chill job for half the money that doesnt age you at all?
@@ak47ava Two years would be enough for even a very expensive house. All you need is 3% leveraged income and two years of tax returns to obtain a needs list
“These people worked hard for what they learned” - totally agree. Intense amount of sacrifice is often necessary even for he most naturally talented individual.
I’m starting the Ga Tech Bootcamp tomorrow, I’m really hoping my passion for coding and creating cool things will continue to grow.
I hope you find somewhere that rewards you for that in the future where ever you work and doesn't halt your ambitions with corporate beauacracy
@@JoshuaFluke1 Thanks to your advice, I’d really like to start my own company with friends and just create fun applications and websites for people. Thanks for sharing your experiences!
@@JoshuaFluke1 I think he'll enjoy it. At the beginning phase of learning anything new is when people become addicted to knowing more. When you get so good that your job doesn't challenge you or becomes so repetitive, that's when you lose interest.
GO YELLOW JACKETS 🐝!!!
I'm starting at the next cohort date. I'm wishing the same and it's actually making me a little nervous I hope it works out for you.
8:40 "Top talent" is just a reflection of the fact that, in reality, a small percentage of workers make most of the progress. I've managed teams (and I manage one now) and the difference between the "average" worker and the best worker is astounding. "Top" workers take the initiative, are independent, lead those around them, are very smart and very efficient. It's the old adage that "80% of the progress is obtained by 20% of the workers". That's why small startup companies can often beat huge behemoths like HP, Microsoft, Facebook or Google.
It's the top workers who get ground to dust because the company expects them to perform like that forever with no time between projects... Imo the top performing workers almost always have the worst attitudes because of this...
@@vlk818 I partially agree. But often, the top workers are also highly driven, and it's their own ambition and competitiveness that works against them in the long run (this is also true for example of entrepreneurs who run their own companies - even though they don't have "bosses", they still work like crazy because they wish to "succeed"). Often, I need to remind such top workers to take a break so they don't burn out. And, if the company is any good, it rewards and retains such excellent performers. So, in some cases you are correct, but in others it's mostly driven by those workers' own choices.
@@MangoldProject I can agree with that. It's human nature to be invested in your work. Companies create working situations that subtly over-encourage this, but then don't reward it. It's why being a job-hopper is a must and why this channel has so many followers.
@@vlk818 Yes. I suppose that just as there are "top workers" who are highly competitive, only 20% of the companies out there are "top companies" which properly nurture and promote their best employees. Perhaps the next time a company asks you if you are top talent, ask them if they are a top company!
@@MangoldProject the question is how well are these "top talents" rewarded. Are they paid as the deserve? Is the differentiating work paid as much?
It's actually shocking how most people can not comprehend why other people quit... Working to go to work seems normal. There is nothing left! How can that be ok?
You're right. Well, it's consindered okay because the real people in power have designed the system like that. They want a nation of workers and not thinkers...
I love this! Working in IT is extremely draining. People really think that sitting behind the computer is easy. Not when you have to lead a team, complete 25+ tickets each iteration, resolve production bugs, attend meetings (takes half your day), then repeat for the next sprint. I literally take all my money and invest more than 80% because my eyes and brain won't be able to take it for 20+ years.
Ugh I do the same thing, I don't want to spend a cent because every cent gone is another 5 cents I have to earn doing something I hate
Here's the deal about those six figures tech jobs or any other. Companies (paying six figures + perks ) * 3, that's how much you will have to return to the company in workload. If you're making $100k plus $20 in perks, you will have to return in $360k in return. Employees are realizing this is a scam and walking away from this companies. Their mental health is more important than a company that's paying your dinner.
That's how business works. They're not around for charity.
Do they expect you to be work overtime for free? (only ever worked service industry)
Thats what i realized when i saw my sister working as a social worker. She pulls in over 100k but is never home and is on call. Its not worth it
@@HackersSun most jobs that pay over $40k annually expect no overtime pay, that's the limit for contractors at least, non government contracting companies are not obligated to pay overtime on salary so they just don't. Sometimes there's an obligation like wartime military or cyber security breaches on oil pipelines or something, but more often than not it's the company trying to do more with less, and sometimes it's people holding you back for their own personal satisfaction.
@Tony Yang not going to argue that. My longest time with a company is 3.5 years and that's just because I kept getting promoted until I capped out and then started my own company.
Nah your point about "Top talent" is spot on. I've been a guitarist for 17 years. I wasn't born good at guitar, that took time and effort. When my friends say I'm talented at guitar, that pisses me off because I'm skilled, not talented. Obviously, they're my friends, so I don't go off on one at them, but it's not a distinction people pay enough attention to.
Love the point about getting to where you can comfortably pay bills, then you start to wonder what you’re doing in life!
only got to that point for myself because of covid unemployment benefits
I work from home, and being a software engineer is so mentally exhausting that I hardly even spend time with my kids (who I literally live with). And it's not even appreciated. All the effort and all I can hear is what went wrong in the sprint and never what was good. It's destroying you mentally, slowly but surely. That's why I'm pissed hearing all that nonsense about just sitting in front of a computer and clicking. Do it yourself. Try, why not. Show me how easy it is.
But the thing is, I must somehow pay my rent. And even being a software engineer, I can only dream of ever owning a house. So we're all stuck in this together. Life is tough.
Keep pushing, Josh. This is American culture. If you don't "buy in" to the delusion you get attacked. I love your channel, keep it up!
Money is only 'everything' in our modern culture. I was raised Amish, we value God's favor the way you all value money and respect. We work and build whatever you people pay for, and we keep most of the money we make forever.
Why do you even make money then?
Don’t Amish ppl need money from ppl living in metropolitan areas. You sell your food that you grow. Admirable, but you need a client base.
@@NotShowingOff without one we don't need the other, no money required to stay alive without government! Catch 22 and we solved it =)
@@kogorun property taxes and other requirements for staying in the USA and being protected from terrorists/China - render unto Caesar!
I inherited millions of dollars in farm land and mineral rights, my kids will be rich because my parents worked hard and smart! They'll pass it on and not waste it like a Yankee =)
@@philcooper9225 Based. Godspeed bro, I wish you and your bloodline well!!
I think that a big part of the problem is that the media and politicians constantly hail software development as being the perfect career. This problem is further compounded by words and phrases like "talent" and "just learn to code" which undervalue the work and effort that is required to learn how to make professional quality software. It makes software development seem like a lucrative and easy profession.
The amount of tech stacks you gotta learn to become a web dev/software engineer is ridiculous, and every year it's always changing and you gotta play catch up.
wellllll it caaaaan be. I know a lot of people who get paid big money in tech for not that much work or skill. Then again, after having been in the industry for a bit now, it's easy to see some of the stuff as so basic that anyone can do it. You forget that things like learning your ide/code base/game engine/other software were a big learning curve too. You also tend to forget a lot of the hacks and stuff you end up having to cook up to deal with problems that have no clean solution.
Like for me personally, I always forget that not everyone who uses unreal engine knows it like the back of their hand. It's not a hard thing to use per say, but it's a lot to take in. Then all the problems that exist with it under the hood compounded with difficulties of developing for lower end systems or new tech. Really does shift one's perspective of other programming disciplines.
@@lifeartstudios6207 I have the feel like it's the same for every bigger software system. The system I work with is huge and as I'm in the same company for a few years people tend to ask me know how they do x. Only when I have to explain the how I notice that there is a lot and the "easy" thing for me is super hard for anyone who isn't familar with the system ... and I only know a fraction of the system.
The expecation that it's super easy to learn and pick up is just wrong.
@@nichtsicher422 if all the documentation was completed and laid out in front of you it would be easy. The problem is that the skilled people spend a lot of time learning the things that aren't taught anywhere.
When I hear the word "family", I cringe.
I prefer to be a stranger, we respect each other boundaries because we don't know each other.
Being family means having a sibling and/or cousin picking on you because they know how far they can go.
I am old enough that if someone said of a company< We are like family" my first thought would be, "so the company is dead, like my family?" Fortunately I work for a bigger company that is NOT family and they have never tried to go that route.
Dominic Toretto: Did you say family? "Mexican music starts".
Nowadays even mcdonanlds finances education and they're monsters dude
@meow purr I believe it. Probably the best time period in America in terms of purchasing power was in the 50s and 60s. The US minimum wage in 1965 was the highest it ever was adjusted for inflation
Some businesses get tax breaks for spending money on tuition. It's not like they're doing it fully out of the kindness of their hearts
@meow purr also they give you full time hours w out full time benefits, and have the audacity of calling it part time, 😤
@@ArmenBrass I completely forgot this but fr, its not like they are doing you a favor, they're actually doing themselves a favor. I remeber my last employer didn't tell me this while bringing this up
@meow purr Lower middle class and lower class have fused. There's also not really an upper middle class they have become a sort of middle middle class. This all varies on location however.
"When you don't have money, money is everything. When you do have money, it's not." - This has been the story of my life for a long time in my career until I broke 6-figures and moved out of the city. Now all I want to do is build passive income so I have more time!
CNBC was too scared to interview Josh Fluke LMAO
That's a good thing, if they're on CNBC it's a contrarian indicator
@@chris0000924 lol
This channel is gold. After working as a manager for a corporate dental clinic I completely resonate with every single word you say. That job was absolute burnout, we were so high volume it was hell. Getting through the day with so many patients alone on a crammed schedule was a nightmare, and despite being so busy we still had ridiculous sales goals. So glad I do not work there anymore. Do not ever visit corporate chain dental clinics. Always always do private practice.
Nursing is the same hell on earth. All the altruistic bull 💩 they shove you in college is nothing but straight, steaming piles of 💩 ! It’s ALL about profit at any cost. Despite the effect upon patients and staff, corporate healthcare is a production job. NOTHING or NO ONE is valuable or meaningful except PROFIT !!! The work environment is Dante’s Inferno !!
100% It isn't always about the salary. Work life balance should be the goal for workers
Where I used to work 60 hrs weeks are the norm. Corporate can't figure out why they have such a huge turnover.
Denmark offers a great work life balance. I know a dude that was offered a Silicon Valley job but he chose going for a lower paid job in Denmark that actually satisfies him and he has plenty of vacation and normal or less than normal working hours.
I think work life balance should be constitutionally protected
People are genuinely brainwashed by this money centric culture.
This video really speaks to me. My place is the exact same in the sense that once you finish a really mentally taxing project, they just reward you with another one and the treadmill doesn't stop. It can really cause burnout and reduce your productivity. I know it definitely does to me to the point where I feel like a zombie some work days and I might stay later than usual so my load won't be as heavy the next day. This shouldn't happen but it is what it is.
Its called Sprint. I think Sprint Agile is a terrible way to manage projects personally.
I worked as a data analyst after moving back home from Germany as a project manager.
The company I worked for never had a data analyst before so I had 5 years worth of data points for over 400 products (each product had between 5-200 data points each) to go through.
I worked there as an agency worker. After 3 months, the manager pulled me in and asked if I wanted to go permanent.
I said yes and he said the contract would be given to me a few hours later.
End of day, it was put on my desk and I was asked to sign. I skimmed through and looked at the salary.
MINIMUM WAGE.
MINIMUM WAGE for a law graduate that's managed millions of dollars on public sector aviation projects.
Keeping in mind that they were about to lose multiple clients including Rolls Royce - the international sales guy used hiring me as a reason why they should stay with them. That I would streamline the process and prevent bad products from being shipped out. I literally saved two of their biggest contracts just by existing.
I went into the office the next day and told him thanks but no thanks and that it was an insult to offer minimum wage. He said "it's just to see how you get on then we can discuss a pay rise" as if I hadn't already worked there for three months and was good enough that he wanted to keep me.
Imagine trying to negotiate a salary FROM minimum wage - as if I can convince the manager/owner to pay me $60,000 a year when he's spent the last 12 months paying me minimum wage.
I left and ended up joining the army as an officer. Just got out last August and I'm happy I did so.
You gotta be INSANE to want to spend 120h a week working in front of a computer. That sh*t slowly kills you.
People have been brainwashed very well.
Literally
Not so slowly in my case. I've been working myself ragged in front of a computer for 6 years, I'm 26 and I got health concerns on the horizon right now. My eye sight is fucked, dark circles permanently under said eyes, posture? (lol) , legs? (barely use them), vitamin d? (never heard of it), mental state? (joker)
but hey, I've learned a lot and now I can do cool tech things. Can't wait for brain interface VR stuff, I'll be one of the first devs to be able to use it most likely.
@@lifeartstudios6207 I dont understand... You don't need insane effort to be healthy. Get exercise, drink vitamin d, get a break here and there and walk around. It is not much to do, but it dramatically improves your life quality and work short and longterm
@@vilextone8031 doing those things, minus vitamin d
Love this, I’ve been working for over 30 years as a software architect (and still do) and you’re right on the money. I work to live, not live to work. I got to work and leave (well, from home). 9-5, that’s it. I don’t want to socialise with my colleagues, don’t wanna do shit team building days and any perks, give it to me in cash. In return, I will do an excellent job. I manage two and will make sure that they log off on time and I will cover them for delays. I set reasonable daily targets and if they’re completed then they are free to log off early and do there own thing. Staff are a companies most valuable resource and should be treated as such. Small teams + quality personnel + good salaries + working conditions = quality output and high staff retention. It’s not hard. Most people have a life outside of work and want to live it to the full. If you don’t, then your doing this all wrong. My little rant.
Wish there were more bosses like you
"I work to live, not live to work. " Thats fine. If you get sick and the company fires you for not working, you should be OK with that. It's just an exchange of money for work and nothing more.
@@camgere Yeah, sure lol
Dude. You are the voice we need. Please keep preaching the truth. I appreciate it and I’m sure countless others do. I don’t understand the mentality over control and forcing us to be back in the office. It started because of the pandemic and now people realize... oh hey we want quality of life, time with our loved ones and flexibility during our work weeks.
The assumption and the coercion by employers of trying to make us conform to their vision of hard work and start / finish times, and cultural accepted norms of work functions is borderline sadistic when you think about what the point of it all is.... pushing employees to the point of max productivity like robots. It’s never been about us being treated like humans with these “perks” it’s all about control. Further, many of these corporations likely have connections to the commercial real estate firms, investments, or straight ownership, so justifying offices becomes a financial incentive... but mostly it’s over control and “hey if I can’t see you you’re not working”. It’s excessive and I kept saying that I hope the pandemic brings a positive... and that positive is remote work should be pushed.
It’s worse than that, energy companies for example that are trying to reduce carbon footprints, and other type ESG mantras they supposedly try to do by buying renewable electricity or reducing carbon, remote work is never even considered as an option to reduce carbon footprint.
If we restructured society we’d be able to reduce a lot of waste by imposing all these requirements. We’ve been able to work on computers for over 3 decades now... and remote has been possible for at least two decades... but really just so easy for the past 15 years... either way, the resistance to fight change and the future is so childish.
Let’s call work what it is, an exchange for labor and skills... that can be severed at any time for any reason... the idea of family at work is idiotic. When anyone can they’ll screw someone else over it means saving their own... of course there are exceptions to this but they are minimal... why? Not because people are inherently terrible... but because these are the rules in place to make people pit against each other to keep earning the buck.
I had a manager start recently and in the first week sent a message about start / end times and lunch times to be adhered to... in his first week, this was after we had some nice conversations about life etc.... I wonder where the context of those supposed convos went when he suddenly felt the need to impose his restrictions and try to remove autonomy on me.
Anyways... sorry for the rant. I am considering starting a new channel to join you in this revolution. All the best J
I'm in construction and I get the same vibes as you man, construction is mentally taxing as well. I think it is work in general that has to change. employers have very high expectations of workers, and a lot cant do the job themselves, all in the name of high profits for owners and shareholders. we need to work to live not live to work.
With the restaurant and massage parlor, why even have a home. You can just sleep under your desk.
they should add in a sauna, shower and sleeping parlor, maybe with some corporate gang bang, idk - be creative, be disruptiv, and dont forget being dynamic^^
Gaming industry has entered the chat
😏 I did that once...3 days in a row to not miss shifts. By the end of the year, they gave me a .27 cents raise...left. Stopped given an f, and am much happier. Corps deserve the dustbin of history
@@vex6559 good for you
@@majstealth and don't forget to pivot
I avoided college, and will avoid corporate jobs even more than the prior. Solo studying can only be so satisfying, after a day of working at my trade. Have a good one Josh. 😁
120 hour week? does he not realize its salary so you don't get overtime lol
He said that he started learning to code. So no, he hasn’t worked in Corp IT field. He would know that all these perks are bait and switch. It sounds great but it’s there to squeeze more productivity out of you for the same amount of pay.
(Most) Salary don't get OT, though we are talking about the US. My institutional job offer cash and/or lieu time for OT.
The 'high end' food they showed in the clip was some street vendor food you eat without utensils; seaweed wrap with rice, sashimi, & avocado. I'm sure the food they're giving out has value of under $10 per person. This video kinda paints a bad picture of the "millenials." I'm sure that age range of employees aren't the only ones deciding to leave when the work doesn't make them happy. They're putting in the work and that video is basically roasting them saying "look how good they have it. They must be lazy and entitled if they think they deserve more." So boomers see it and get excited and go on rants. But millenials are defined currently as ages 25-40. They're basically the core of the workforce now.
i would LOVE to have that mentality of coming in and leaving at set hours and not bringing work home but theres always that fear of getting fired for not being productive enough. i used to work a job where id stay a couple hours to finish work but i still got scalded for not doing enough work. then the response is "just quit and move on to the next job". not that easy in a major city where 600+ people apply to 1 job.
Yeah dude.
I work and like all the other employees usually have to stay an extra 2-3 hours after our initial clock off if your shift went till the end of the day.
@@GabrielTobing that sounds awful! worst part is i bet you dont even get overtime simply because its a choice you as an employee chose to do even though its really just you making it clear that you dont want to get fired. i ended up getting fired at that job too. working on the weekends wasnt enough for that manager apparently lol
i think the new mindset that should be in everyones head is to look at a job as just paid training. dont go into thinking about retirement benefits. look at it as a means to fund my future entrepreneurship and to get the training ill need to succeed. its helped me mentally.
Gen X here: I used to work for a subsidiary of one of the companies you mentioned in this video. While the perks are fine, people quit because of the demands of the job versus the pay: the pay needs to be more than it is. Also, the lack of appreciation at the job. You are just a number and that is it. If you have a major life event such as a death in your family they are not there for you. People figured that out and left. It taught me to never look at another company as “family” again.
I love how alot of this is common sense, it just takes a bit of thought to see when people are intentionally deceiving you.
People get sick of the team building exercises, I did. I don’t want to share about childhood traumas or other personal issues I can call a therapist if I need to do that. Managers are often tyrannical & pick favorites & abuse people at random. The work isn’t fulfilling either most of the time. Those perks are not great either if you actually take advantage of them you are noticed for it & they don’t like it.
The dislikes are from the cooperate simps, lol
Yeah I am probably the only dislike from an Amish person who doesn't comprehend why any human would ever subject themselves to all of this when you can just build a house and grow food for free. What are you all working for?
*Corporate
@@bobjones5027 COPEprate*
@@philcooper9225 Truth. I'm not Amish, but I have trouble comprehending also. I worked with 2 Amish brothers at a factory that wade truck trailers. They were great workers. and the likes are from billionaire wannabes who have had the privileged life of going into post secondary, then waste money on partying and working on their social image, new iphone every release...things, things.. As a blue collar worker most of my life I worked hard and applied skills.. $16 /hr as a team leader for Transmission parts, .. Machined gun barrels and various parts with really narrow tolerances 18/hr lol.. Dishwasher $18.50... I wish I had bean bags, a personal chefs at my job... Even in kitchen you have no time... Not even sure where I am going with this... Id rather build my own house from raw materials nice and proper with a view of my own garden... Now there is a team building activity, get the community together and build a barn in a day. The like votes live in a weird bubble they have no idea what actual work and life is out side of their smartphone..
@@axymyxa6021 coming up from 14 he shifts on a help desk. Where job advancement is based on what tests you pass... Which you can only study in your own time.
I'd like to argue a fair bit of IT is blue collar more than not. It was a grind and worse then it had to be.
I work as a systems architect now. Nobody thanks their plumber when the toilet flushes... They just complain that the systems down and whine when I get a $8 dinner when I work past 8pm.
Props to you, Josh, for encouraging Jeremiah Young on his coding journey. To me, this video just confirms the fact that all jobs are hard and tech is hard for everyone--including code mentor/teacher Aaron Jack. As you said in the video, talent is overrated. I just need to work hard and treat people with kindness and respect. Coding is not everything but is the gateway to more money and other milestones in life.
Workplaces for workaholics by workaholics.
They never want you to leave.
I like your content dude, am from Nairobi,Kenya and I learn a lot about America's tech scene from your priceless videos. This is especially helpful as I am actively seeking a remote job from the U.S
Joshua my man, you have cojones for telling us always the truth. This is why this channel is so unique, me and my friends are always sharing your videos, thank you and keep rocking!!
Very thankful at where I'm at in life. Even though i've been in tech, I'm used to making more than average but because of where I'm at I'm also used to being compensated well below industry norms. That's changed in the past 15 years and I've been more than comfortable and have been in positions that allow me to stretch my skills and grow. And after having a youth mired in debt; student loans and credit cards, I finally paid off the last of my credit cards and my car loan within the last 3 years so I am operating at zero debt. So now I'm free to do what I like to do. If I want something more than I can afford, I save up for it. Simple as that. But I can also say with the rent increases around here, I'm extremely thankful to have this 6 figure salary I do have and that I've stuck in my career enough that I can command more in the next job. But yes, most of those perks are there to get you to spend more time in the office. Instead of calling it crunch time, they want you to blur your work/life to the point that there is no longer any separation. Get an email at 3am....well, gotta jump on and get that fixed. Got a text on your approved vacation time...well, you need to put that fire out before you go hit the beach, I guess. Thankfully I'm not in that position and I'm very rigid in my work/life time even though I work from home. Different desks, different computers. Work computer gets turned off every night and I am unreachable until the next morning.
"All you do is sit at computer and press buttons! How the hell are You that stressed?"
"Do YOU know which buttons to push? No? Does anyone else you know? no? THAT'S WHY I get paid like that. You don't understand it, and honestly, neither do most of my bosses and expect shit that is not realistic."
@@nagyzoli What?! No, just no. It's as if you said "Being a doctor is easy cuz a construction worker can learn how to be a doctor in about 6-8 years" lmao don't compare jobs, everyone decides which sector to work in.
@@nagyzoli if it was easy everybody could be a coder. Don't fool yourself
@@nagyzoli Its an easier job but with a larger barrier. You're right though I did 60 hour weeks in a warehouse for awhile and it literally any time that I wasn't moving boxes I would be sleeping or struggling to make it to mcdonalds because I was too tired to eat. Shit will wreck you
A lot of good points made in this video, but the one that really hit home for me was the concept of being your own boss versus working for someone else. At the end of the day, if you're not the boss, then you have to 100% trust the person that is the boss to make the right decisions. I'm sure there are those cases, but I have yet to find a boss, regardless of how "nice" they are, that I can trust to make the right decisions. Working hard right now to move over to a lifestyle where I am my own boss, and never looking back.
That mention you made of “purchasing power” is getting more poignant by the second, considering that toilet paper is currently produced with more economic wisdom than the USD.
Purchasing power is such a major concern, it really is. It's half the issue with wages in the US. Living in China, I made roughly $1000 USD a month, but my purchasing power there was really high. I was financially well-off to the point that I could save money at the end of the month after all my living expenses. Here in the US, I am making double that right now curtesy of 2020，
but the purchasing power here is so ridiculously low for that amount of money (at least in my area). Wages don't really mean much if they don't bring you a satisfactory level of purchasing power.
He does that he'll get no platformed too controversial for the people upstairs and puts a lot of political pressure on the government to stop spending
talent comment reminded me of something I'd run across. From what I recall when people see a person that's doing something well they just assume it's because it was intrinsic and don't really consider the possibility that it came from hard work, long hours, dedication, and spent time. I agree it diminishes peoples hard work.
All these large business owners and large businesses are trying to keep tech salaries in check and as low as possible. I think they are behind these crap advertisements.
Like how you take a critical view of all this stuff. Very refreshing to know that someone else sees it.
Hey my guy, I know you said a while back that the channel doesn't get as much interest as it used to, or something like that, but I think a lot of your newest stuff is some of the best, and I'm thinking the algorithm might just need some time to catch up.
I am about to quit my almost 6 figure IT job, only 2 years after graduating. When you don't have money you're in survival mode, when you've reached a point in life where you already have everything, going to work just for the sake of making money is soul crushing. What happened to this person who had so many plans in life? This person ended up in "corporate", where everything is made in the objective of "streamlining" everything and basically remove your abilities to create and be your own person. Perks don't matter if you don't see a purpose in your work other than being good at what you do. You can go anywhere and get the same job and be as good. Why stay?
My advice, if you make more than 75K, start thinking about what you really want in life? Chances are, if it doesn't work out, you can always come back to a 75K job or more. Much better to live a life with a purpose than doing the same routine for 25 years and not accomplish anything in life other than recognition from others about the company you work for, your title and salary.
Great video, Josh! Context is everything. Just because someone makes what is seen as a lot of money, it is important to factor in things, like cost of living, workload, mortgage, etc. That money can easily dry up very quickly in areas where cost of living is higher. Burn out is real. To not have time to recuperate and being bombarded with taxing material gets to be a lot, especially if you are no longer interested in what you're doing. The courage that people have to recognize that they want better should be applauded. It's really the experiences and your definition of happiness that are most important. If you aren't getting those things, it's time to change, like these people are doing. Awareness is key. Great work!
I feel like sooner or later I would have discovered your channel lmao. I didn't feel like perks are special from the start. I view jobs as... jobs? It's not fun, but you can choose a more tolerable one. But then there's my friends who are so excited about all of that. Didn't question any of that and just got on with everything. I thought I was insane because all I could see was sth soul-draining. (Again there are more tolerable ones, and I'm glad I have that). That is until I discovered this channel and I feel easier to breath.
This is one of those things that sucks about being a hermit.
The "average person" might desire things like travel, vacation, fine dining, massages, saunas, and whatnot. But me? This kind of stuff just doesn't interest me in the slightest.
Give me a computer & internet access, and I have all that I need to be content.
Hello me. It's a blessing and a curse to be content with so little. Some more ambition would be nice but I get exhausted just thinking about joining the crowd and feverishly chasing a never ending goal at the cost of my mental health.
That's WHY they have those perks cause they know hermits, neck beards etc won't use them. The family one is a joke given a lot of MEN that gravitate to these jobs are NOT the men women will marry.
Weird flex but ok
@@SoWhosGae Ain't a flex.
I want you to know this video is being referenced in a university 600-level software engineering course on the topic of why turnover is so high in tech. You make some good points, even if some of your other opinions are fringe. Nonetheless, good content!