Yong Zheng Emperor's TRUE LOVE? - Drama vs. Reality #1 [CC]
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I'd love to see a Drama vs Reality on Ruyi's Royal Love in the Palace. I don't know why but I just love that drama. Its so under-rated and gets darker and so bleak in a way I don't think many dramas do and its kinda refreshing in that it isn't some happy ending unrealistic nonsense. Also, the 'reality' part is all the more interesting not because of what we do know historically, but what we DON'T. So much is just wiped from history.
This. It's one of the reasons I couldn't get into Ruyi as I couldn't believe the premise of it. There is no evidence (that I found) that the Emperor ever loved Ruyi. She was a duty, nothing more. I would have much rather had a story where Ruyi loved the Emperor but he never loved her. Tragedy all around.
@@lindsiria but he didn't love her the way she did in the slightest, I actually think it's pretty accurate tbh they must have known each other as kids given her aunt was the empress and he had to have been fond of her to have promoted her so many times with no kids at that time. Heck even their honeymoon was longer than his first one. Qianlong seemed like a strange guy tho
@@lindsiria I think any man in ancient Chinese, much less a powerful one such as an emperor, would take any affection or admiration they have for a woman as a sign of love. “You are beautiful, I love you”, “You dance so well, I love you”,… because in their mind, ‘their love’ do not need to be eternal, faithful or even exclusive. They can love many women at the same time, and they can love for any length of time that suits them. Their love may last for years for one person, but may be just few months for another.
@@lindsiria In the show or reality? Well, in reality of course most marriages are for power and alliances. Almost no leaders ever loved eachother.
As for the show, I think the premise that she loves him, and he loves her, but he stops respecting her and seeing her as a person and her love for him slowly dying, is actually very powerful to watch. They simply become different people, and I'd say she stops loving him, or at least has serious doubts, quite quickly.
@@Ginizhu Something was going on to have Qianlong (irl) wipe her from history. However, I love that the show actually has Ruyi *take herself back* from history since she never wanted any of it to begin with. You can see this when she cuts herself out of the painting as if to say "i don't belong to you anymore"
When the Emperor (in the show) gives the order to wipe Ruyi from history, I almost feel like he's finally listening to her, and giving her what she wants. Because as she says in the show, he only ever cares AFTER he's lost someone.
Absolutely love this idea for a channel series. Chinese history is so incredibly rich, deep, and complex -- having someone link what we see to reality is so valuable.
As someone who really likes dramas but also real history I find this new series really interesting!
Thanks for 13th & Yongzhen's story. Their brotherly love is really appreciable, and indeed rarity for royal siblings. And I strangely love the fact that both are workaholic.
It's not quite ' brotherly ' according to Western understanding. You know even a girlfriend uses the word ' Ge Ge' for his boyfriend until they get married. In many BL manhwa, you can see the supposed lovers calling each other ' Hyung ' but it doesn't mean that they consider each other as ' brothers' in Western sense.
@@shalinitiwariscorner5210 Calling someone " Ge" is not about romance. Well, this is not BL universe; it's thecworld of chinese cultural sphere. In collective societies like Chinese, we relate ourselves to people around us to create sense of kinship (and thus it will be easier to depend on/ask helps from one another). "Ge" itself means brother. We call our blood brother "Ge." So, we also call elder males whose ages are not so different from the speakers "brother" to bond w/ them. Like I address my neighbor's gay son "brother" even he's not my blood brother, a relative, nor a love interest.
In western standard, this guy is either my neighbor or childhood friend. But in my society, I'll be called rude and haughty if I don't respectfully call him "brother" according to his seniority and his biological sex - not his preferred sexuality.
Of course, if he ever wanted me to call him sister, I'd oblige. But he never says so and seems very fine with being called "brother" because it connotes that I, a junior, give him proper respect. It's just collective-society cultural thing. Romance is not the main issue; but the due respect and etiquette.
Their destiny was to bring China and Qing dynasty to her greatest. Actually, these brothers did achieve it.
This is very interesting. You rarely hear of such good relationship between royal brothers. I wonder what they went through to make their bond so strong
I watched the Korean version first but I love the original version more. The depth and story was explained better, and there was a logical development in characters.
I watched the chinese version first and I was so in love with the drama!! Even IU can't me make prefer the korean version (Although it's good too). But the chinese's one is just so so much better 😍
The 4 was the most loyalty and very direct person who had the compassionate heart to do great for his beloved people.
13 devoted his entire life to serve his brother number 4.
The 4 also was a great giver person who gave rewards or even more rewards and high praises to individuals who he believed doing great for the country. I believe he was a good minded and kindness individual too. He was one of the greatest achievable emperor of China as well as his 13 half brother one of the greatest price of Qing dynasty.
I love this new series! Look forward to future ones. Others I would like to hear more about is Cao Cao and Zhu Ge Liang. Also the China’s 4 da mei ren or 4 beauties. Wu Ze Tian - reel and real life. Thanks in advance!
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Yes!
Same Wu ze tian is like my idol 😂 she is so strong and resilient
I love this new series! Sounds like the Yongzhen Emperor was a "bros before hoes" kind of guy. 😁 I am very curious about the Qianlong Emperor's step empress. She is such a mysterious figure! I loved both portrayals of her in Ruyi's Royal Love in the Palace and Story of Yanxi Palace and often wonder which was closer to reality.
yes made me wander what she have done to anger the emperor to be basically erase from history
According to historical documents, Qing emperors' family lives are a lot more "business" like, almost void of scandals shown in these dramas. Early Qing rulers adopted a lot of their traditional marriage customs which are quite shocking for common Han population. To faithfully depict court affairs would not appeal to most us contemporaries.
Having said that, I am more inclined to believe she was a strong woman who was not afraid to confront her husband in their family affairs like getting another mistress/wife etc., and Qianlong's ego would not tolerate such moral/authoritative lectures.
yes I also want her to talk about it
@@sigyul2283 the rumour was she had a fight with the Emperor and cut her hair in front of him which was a huge taboo. There are speculations on why she did it, but nothing really confirm, except that she cut her hair in huge disrespect and he basically ignored her from then on.
@@flysmask I can only speculate two things that can push a woman to such extreme act like cutting her hair, she got humiliated or her sons got punished, since we know the second one is not true, it's very likely the first case. It is rumored that she scolded the emperor not to accept a Han mistress, as it's against the imperial court tradition, which the emperor did not appreciate. Being a strong woman, I could imagine she argued with him forcefully, resulting in a shocking act to show her indignation.
I am sure it was incredibly rare for a royal sibling relationship to exist like that during this time period...it's very touching to me. I love that you're covering the reality/actual history of the dramas I love because I always have questions!! Lol. I also just finished watching Scarlet Heart for the 3rd time and ugly cried for a good hour afterwards...it gets me every time.
History is so interesting..it makes me want to go back in time and become a fly on the wall and watch as all those events unfolded while not being in the direct line of fire lol
Lol that's an unusual thing to transmigrate to HAHHA but it's cute
This promises to be a fascinating series, presenting Chinese history/drama in a way I, as a Westener with no previous knowledge, can understand. I was intrigued by how many elements of this story seem to have worked their way into stories I have watched, which I don't think are actually about that dynasty.
I've watched all the dramas you mentions, and i really like the brothers relationship with the 13th prince. There is one scene that i really like in Scarlet Heart and it is the scene when 13th prince takes the blame so the 4th prince could live.
I would love your take on Consort Wei/Empress Xiaoyichun's death and remains (and Yangxi Palace vs Ruyi's Love in the Palace portrayal). I saw some fans clashing on the different theories related to her death (death by poisoning, hence her body was so well preserved vs death by the medicine that was supposed to treat her).
Great series! Look forward to future videos! 13th prince is ABSOLUTELY my fav prince in BBJX, the most dashing and hero-like one in the sea of that backbiting serpents. So glad to hear bits of real-him😍
Love rewatching scarlet heart for the bonding. Enjoying this series immensely, thank you!
Another awesome video! I absolutely loved BBJX! I didn't know how much of the events were based on real history, but the relationship between 4th & 13th was very touching. Second only to the leading couple. I love this idea for your new series. You have such a great talent with explaining information that I greatly look forward to more content.
I love this new series. Not only it gives the audience the reality of the situation but also provides information about other cultures which for me, am unaware of. I like your drama reviews but I am interested in these extra informational videos more as they are timeless.
I want to know if drinking to show respect or give face is dramatized or realistic. Be it period drama or modern or fantasy, there are often some scenes where one person drinks to the other to gain favours or if needed some help. In some dramas sometimes people are forced to drink to show that they are respecting the person in higher position. In some culture, toasting is a thing show respect or share your happiness or concern. But in c-dramas, how is harming or disrespecting the inferior one to drink can gain the superior one respect for him/herself? So how real is this in real life? Or is it overdramatized?
I vividly remember watching 步步惊心 in 1 sitting (who needs sleep when a drama can make you laugh and cry til your stomach and cheeks hurt), how can it be more than a decade ago.
I also classify 甄嬛传 as an OOOOOLLLLLD show, so I am shocked to know it came out the same time as 步步惊心.
My memories lying to me. -_-
For Westerners, who might misunderstand the word ' brother', here is an important information-
In China, the word used for both brother and boyfriend is ' gege '. if a girl ( in this case guy) calls you “gege ”,it represents that your relationship is much closed . “gege ” （哥哥）is a very intimate salutation, a character that if is not used for her brother then is for boyfriend! It’s different from “ge ”(哥）, which absolutely means you were friendzoned.
I would love to see an assessment on the changes of dress across dynasties. You mentioned the use of bright colours, larger under skirts etc.
this series is wonderful! A great first episode full of really interesting information. thanks Avenue X
Love this! It’s this fresh type of content that keeps me tuned in to Avenue X! Looking forward to more in this series.
Love this new segment! Entertaining and informative!
Loving this series already! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and interpretation.
Thankyou so much! This was very interesting im sure this is gonna be my favorite section !
This is a great idea! I really like that you reference the dramas that portray the “real” individuals and how they differ from actual historical facts.
This is such a good idea for a series! Looking forward to more.
The information is all the more exciting because of your sense of humor and your enchanting cheeky smile and laughter. Keep it up!
I'm really excited about this new series. Thank you for doing it.
Absolutely LOVE this series idea! Excited to see what comes next.
This is really interesting! Thank you for this video. Please do more :)
The amount of work you put into each video is just whoa! Thank you so much for the new series. Looking forward to the next one❤
Looking forward for more of this new series, very educational and entertaining. It caught me from beginning to end. Thank you!!!
I love this, please do more videos like this. History is sometimes more interesting than the dramas
I love this new series! Also, your hair and accessories are gorgeous in this vid!
So very well done!! Thank you for your work. Im looking forward to hearing more drama vs reality content!!!
such a very good history teller, the way u explain things got me hooked
love the idea of this new series so much that i'd hit the like button right before the video started!!!
Your new series is exactly what I have been looking for. I love the history of everything and anything, how we got to where we are is so fascinating. In the last year or more I am getting old and infirm and have taken to watching Chinese dramas to pass the time. It spiked a new interest and I have tried to find out the true histories, learn a little Chinese, and have come to understand the Chinese Ren and culture more. Thank you so much for thinking of this series. I will avidly watch for it and gain more understanding of the dramas I watch.
I would love to see this kind of video about Emperor Kangxi as well ❤️
Thank you for deciding doing these kind of series! Awesome idea!
What a great series! I love listening to people talk about historic documents and what’s “in between the lines”. One from my childhood is Journey to the West, I would love hearing about the reality vs drama/novel.
I am absolutely thrilled that you have this series because these historical tidbits are soooo interesting!
I really wanted to know about Empress Wu Zetian, the first female Emperor of China.
Nice topic and idea, keep ‘em coming👍 thanks😊
You convinced me! I am always amazed by your historical knowledge. Thanks for the history lesson.
This was hilarious
i loved it so much and was great accompaniment to my coloring
I don’t have any suggestions but I hope you continue this series
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I absolutely love this concept for a continuing series...and sincerely think it will contribute to the growth of your channel. Really excited to see what's in store!
This is absolutely brilliant series. I like the sprinkle of tv dramas with a slice of history. Please keep giving us more videos of anything you find interesting.
What a great idea! Yes, please do continue this - I do find myself going down the Wikipedia rabbit hole to look up historical figures vs drama depictions but you'll never find this kind of insight without a deep dive into history.
That said, it's also too bad that Chinese dramaland isn't more imaginative and forward thinking in how it chooses to depict historical subject matters because an epic bromance, rather than endless concubine back-stabbery, could be so good to watch. And I don't mean a meaty war-drama that has NO romance, I mean, a stronger element of familial dynamics that exactly describe what you said - the humanity behind the ruthless politics. I'd watch the hell out of that.
I love your historical explanations. Thank you so much for your effort!
Looking forward to this series continuing! Love the concept of drama vs. reality.
I'm so excited for this new series and hope you'll keep at it for some time! I knew that Yong Zheng was a very hardworking emperor but never knew about his relationship with this 13th brother and find these historical facts that you're sharing very interesting!
What a great idea! Can't wait for the next one
OMG OMG I was hoping someday you would do this kind of video, and....there it is !! :D I'm so happy. Thank you thank you than you
AvenueX you should do a video on which of the emperor is your favorite. They’ve portrayed this same emperor in so many different dramas. I would love to hear which portrayal is your favorite.
YES! YOU ARE THE BEST! WE LOVE YOU!
This is great! Thank you for this new series, taking time to put history in perspective; I wondered about the historical accuracy of the stories and truthfulness of characters; as written below, China's history is so rich that knowing how things flow from one dynasty to the next and how characters are influenced is very helpful. I recently watched Marvelous Women and so loved the portrayal of the beautiful weaving techniques during the Song dynasty. I am now curious to find out if the woman portrayed as advancing weaving is true to history. Also appreciate the writing the names/words and pronouncing them, helps a lot. Thank you.
I love this new series!! I'm not familiar with Chinese history but when I watched period dramas sometimes with my mom, she would share facts/tidbits she knows/thinks about what we were watching and it's truly fascinating! Thank you for coming up with this new series. I've been watching your videos for a long while now without really ever commenting but this new series really got me excited! If you'd like input on future possible ideas, I think 高考 or high school life can be a great possible topic!
OH, HELL YES!! Comparing fiction to reality and just pick at it to see where things got changed (and why) is one of my favorite things to do! I'm so looking forward to seeing more of this series!
Maybe if you can give a brief plot summary of the dramas in question, to those who haven't seen them. Or just a recap of whatever plotline you are talking about. I don't think it was needed here, but it will be sooner or later.
I absolutely love and support this kind of videos. In a matter of fact I firstly started supporting your channel because of your video on Nirvana in Fire 1 book vs drama. So please create more content like this because you shin the most on story telling and to be honest I watch you weakly not because of interest in C drama but your views and takes on them!
As some one who respect and think that Chinese history is the mother womb of current humanity your take on any culture and history point of view is HIGHLY APPRECIATED!!
As a suggestion I wonder if you can give your view on "Rule the World/独步天下" and another famous historical figure in C drama like Gao Changgong of "Princess of Lanling King/蘭陵王妃"
I love this. This is so interesting. Thank you for doing this
Wah~ I love this format, very interesting.
Please continue this! 🤩👍
I definitely LOVE THIS NEW SERIES !!!
As period costume drama watcher, I want Avenuex to talk about Qianlong too. Its very well known also. From My Fair Princess, Ruyi and Story of Yanxi Palace.
For Qin Dynasty, you can talk about the controversial emperor, Qin Shi Huang. There is some fictions and historical facts around QSH life.
Ming Dynasty, as usual, Zhu Di, Zhu Zhan Ji era is the most interesting part in Ming. And many dramas adapted the era including Ming Dynasty, The Imperial Doctress, Royal Feast and The Imperial Age.
For Tang Dynasty, Wu Ze Tian and her husbands era are also very insteresting.
Love the idea of the new series ! I watched your videos before But with this one i finally decided to subscribe!!! Love your videos !
love this kind of series , can't wait to see more❤❤
Thank you, thank you AvenueX. I was stalling on watching your videos related to aired/airing/expected to air dramas.
This new version of your TH-camr series is all I was looking forward to watch till the end.
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How beautifully you describe these two princes relationship. We could have a BL drama on this if there were no censorship.
Just listening to your explanation like admiring the Chinese greatest masterpiece Mountain and Water Painting.
I love love love this video and this new series!!! I've been looking so long on TH-cam for someone to review these popular Qing Dynasty dramas in this way, and you are so good at it! Please do his father and son too, Kangxi and Qianlong! Also, Wu Ze Tian and Mi Yue!! I would love to see these!
OMG. This video is so great because Im actually doing a research paper this summer on The Story of Yanxi Palace’s historical accuracy. Specifically the Imperial Consorts storylines! Im a History minor in University and ive been taking classes on ancient china, your channel & my love for historical Chinese dramas led me to this! So I would love to see your take on Qianlong’s court & Yanxi!
omg these content are so interesting!
This was fun to watch❤😀 cant wait for other related videos. Ive watched Empresses in the palace amd Ruyis love in the palace and never knew this about Yongzheng.
hey cool, great idea love this !
Im here for this !
Loved this. Thanks for educating me!
great content!
You are awesome! Love how you share on the history/reality, makes it so much richer. I notice that you pronounce years as 'ears'.
Love this series of content
. The history lesson is appreciated.
支持姐姐的这个新系列！放眼油管做这种电视剧vs历史的真的很少
Absolutely love this series. Because I’m always curious about these historical figures.
I second the other opinions here. I love the idea of your new channel series and hope I can learn a lot :D
Thank you so much for your insight about Chinese history.
I've liked a lot Cdrama since I was young. However, historical Cdrama cant be confusing for non Chinese. Also when we dont know exactly about the Chinese literature and history. Plus we cant find them easily.
So, your videos really help us to get more understanding over Chinese culture.
Wow! Thank you for this information :) It is indeed rare to see this kind of brother bond in an era where you expect them to fight for the throne to the point of killing each other....
Great series! Love it.
I'm loving this content .
Love this new series! 👍💜💜💜pls continue w the series 👏👏👏
I always want to know more about the historical facts, thank you for the video, it's highly appreciated!
Thank you for starting this series! Can you talk about the topic of 大家闺秀/ 出身名门？There are lots of female characters in dramas nowadays that are supposed to be from that background but sort of act nothing like it.... They sometimes lack basic manners even. Would love to know what 古代’s proper 大小姐 upbringing is like. Thank you!
Really enjoyed this would like an episode about Sima Yi i loved the Advisors Alliance and his dealings with Cao Cao.
More,please. Definitely fascinating!
Tx Avenuex, really appreciate for the information
I love this new series @Avenuex, very informative. I’m always looking to consume authentic Chinese history 😁
Love this episode !
Fastinating and so very useful - thank you, great idea.
This is a contant I'd like to see more. Considering the rich history of China, it is great to learn how close (or far) drama get inspiration from reality. Keep up the great work!
Qin Dynasty next please. I've seen several dramas on Qin Shi Huang and I thought it's one of the most interesting parts of Chinese history.
i'm soooo looking forward to the next entries in this series oml
This is so interesting! Please talk about Romance of The Three Kingdoms. I appreciate its a giant subject, so maybe a focus on certain specific topic like this one or some literary/language related references from the 2010 drama?
Wonderful idea for a series. I really want to see the reel vs real life history of Qian Long emperor's empress and step empress
Loooove this new video you're launching!!!!! It's so fabulous and interesting!!!!
I would love to know what the deal is with Qian Long's mother. They always say she's not his real mother in the series but Wikipedia suggests that she is.
I want to know if she's his real mother or not and why the series almost always say she's not his real mother. It's very strange!
Also pleeeeeease examine who Qian Long loved best and what his deal was with the Step Empress. Surely some stuff must have gone down between them for him to wipe her and also for him to be so angry. I can understand the poor women of that era being forgotten or ignored but it seems super weird that he especially hated her.
So interesting. Thank you for this story
This is brilliant! Thank you so much, your narration of history was amazing. I have always found real history much more fascinating than fabricated stories. Wouldn't it be great to see the real story as a movie? I don't know whether they had a romantic relationship, or a non-sexual soulmate kind, but I find that China has categorically denied it's much older history of high-court same-sex romances, some of which are amazingly and wonderfully romantic and passionate. The acceptance of the Passion of the Cut Sleeve, apparently, died after the close of the Tang Dynasty. I highly doubt (given the reaction to WoH's Zhao Zhang) we will see any of these wonderful stories come out of China in the near future. I look forward to your next episode in this series.