Bah Enterprise (2001) after the first 5-8 episodes is way better than and characters more rich especially the texican. 😇 Also i would argue that first season and third season of Picard is pretty good althought it might be my member berries. Rest i can agree is pretty shitty especially discovery. 🤮
I feel like the Dominion basically won the war. All of their power in their own quadrant remained and all they lost were their gains in the Alpha quadrant and a number of soldiers they didnt care about anyway, while the alpha quadrant was left in ruins
Although if they had asked Bajor and the Federation to just follow their rules if they want to enter the Gamma Quadrant, I think they could have gotten that agreement much cheaper. They did lose a bunch of Founder lives in the war
But they also lost any real advantage of expanding into the alpha quadrant, even if everyone on one side has to rebuild they now have experience fighting and winning against them and their quadrant is still open for federation influence. And since Section 31 proved they could make a weapon that could wipe out the founders, nothing stops them from making another or potentially worse one if deemed needed.
if one made a new show which saw an extra Galactic power having conquered the Dominion the Vorta, Founders and JH being wiped out would be a powerful enemy if they did so in a matter of weeks
@@joshuahillerup4290 They were technologically slower than the alpha quadrant. The Dominion existed for millenniums and were already slightly behind the Federation. Having such a big long term disadvantage doesn't sit well with control freaks
The Dominion war was definitely the most significant event in Star Trek history. They came the closest of any Federation enemies to beating them and Gul Dukat was just one Sisko visit to the wormhole Prophets away from pulling off the ultimate victory. Sisko saved the Federation with multiple well time actions from the initial help he got from the Prophets to working with Garak to trick the Romulans into joining the Federation and Klingon alliance.
@@D.M.S. Wolf359 was one short live event which resulted in far fewer lives and ships lost before the Federation was able to win than the Dominion war. It last for several years and as the video narrator explained the Federation actually lost member planets like Betazid before the victory was won. And even then the Federation needed a lost of help from the Klingons, Romulans, the Prophets and even the Kardashians after they revolted.
Didn't the Romulans get to the Solar system before being stopped by an early Starfleet? Anyway, I believe the first contact was the most significant, but the Dominion war is in the top 10
In Star trek Discovery ss1 we see Star Fleet almost be defeated by the Klingon and section 31 was there to save the day or may be they who blow up Praxic. Then same thing happened during the Dominion war. And the Dominion will be sunk into civil war as their servants begin to question their godhood for accepting the treaty and the Founder begin to facture into many sub factions. As the two factions that come out of the war on top, the Federation and the Romulan, they are competitors. It may possibly that Section 31 have something to do with the Romulus star go supernova. Normally, the Romulan would have detected the problem for decades.
@@matheuscerqueira7952 First contact was a short lived single event. The Dominion war lasted for several years with multiple huge battles. It's not even close
I was kind of hoping that the Changeling in Picard was in charge of the fleet that the Prophets removed, but then realized that there's not really any way a fleet that size could sneak into the quadrant quietly.
The subtle change in the diplomatic situations in all the mentioned quadrants would be worth further exploration. The Breen were lucky that harsher terms were not placed on them.
The Breen only came in the last months of the war so they were not as heavily effected as the other major powers that fought in the war. They mostly just retreated back into their territory and based on what we saw in Lower Decks they are still raiding other planets for conquest much like they did in their old days. It would be interesting to follow them, maybe Lower Decks can use them as the new major enemy power now that the pakleds have pretty much destroyed their homeworld and are less of a threat. ( I do like they used them as the main enemy race in the first 3 seasons liek the kazones were for the first 2 of voyager, as they are such a perfect enemy for the series) But now is the time for higher stakes.
What about the Romulan anti Founder technology? The device that prevented Odo from being able to shapeshift and thus caused "issues" when it was bucket time … If that could be extrapolated into a large area field then Founder infiltration would be very difficult.
I believe that was Cardassian tech from the Obsidian Order. The changeling impersonating the Tal Shiar guy Lovok was angry that he wasn’t aware of it (first clue for me that he wasn’t really a Romulan). If anyone has that tech now it would be the dominion.
A note about Laas. He is likely dead. Odo was used as the original vector for the disease by Section 31 and they linked at times while Odo was unknowingly infected. The disease progresses proportionally to how much shapeshifting and Changeling does.
That is very possible. Although, Odo could have sent a broad spectrum message out into the Galaxy informing Laas and other Changelings of the cure. We know Odo is detail oriented and he wouldn't have forgotten Lars.
The big bad in Picarad S3 so far looks to be a changeling Im not 100% sold on this season being good but so far its not bad which is better than anything else as of late Im looking forward to seeing rest of season to see more changelings
@@matthewdavies2057 To be fair while the founders transformative state back in ds9 was revolutionary at the time, its age is starting to show, the modern ones look more organic looking and it is the first upgraded race change that i think actually improves over the original showing. Not like the redesigned tellerite, klingons or future ferengi those things were like blah.
I've read that Cardassia would with a lot of help from The Federation to rebuild their planet might look something like Japan's change in culture, and booming economy after the U.S. guided it during, and after occupation. The outcome of The Dominion War kind of seems more similar to what happened after The Korean War because North Korea was left intact, the pre-war borders were restored, but neither side really gained anything except stronger, more streamlined militaries.
You gotta imagine though, the alpha quadrant struggled to take back their own quadrant by a force that was basically on their own for some time. To assault in the heart of the Dominion would have definitely been a long, drawn-out, and extremely bloody battle
@@AP-jl3rs and probably the dominion would have won in their own territory, if the federation had that hard of a time dealing with a group that was essentially on its own, yeah pretty hard a Federation victory in Dominion space
@@AP-jl3rs The Dominion were pretty much given a foothold by the Cardassians, without this they would have had to have punched through the wormhole by force against DS9 and the Federation fleet stationed there.
There was only one loser in the Dominion War, the Cardassians. The Dominion got the Feddies out of their territory. The Klingons got more territory. The Federation got a moral victory. The Romulans got to look good. The Breen kept their isolation.
The Cardassians may have lost 800+ million dead, and Cardassia Prime, Chintaka and Septimus III devastated, but they actually didn't lose any territory by the terms of the Treaty of Bajor, and inherited all that Dominion Tech and an enormous industrial base. After being behind the other powers all this time, they are now effectively caught up, and once they've rebuilt, they are actually much better off than they were. Thanks to the Dominion Tech, plus a deep peak at Federation, Romulan, Klingon and Breen technologies, they no longer need to expand toward Federation space for resources, they can now easily run an export economy with the resources of Cardassian space. There was also no long-term military restrictions on Cardassia, so they would be able to rebuild much of their fleet with new designs and finally become a peer of the other two powers, while devoting their energies to non-fascist, not expansionary pursuits. Basically they can become post-War Japan.
@@funkervogt47 And lost no territory. And are known for giving the Federation a seriously bloody nose in their attack on Earth. And are responsible for the biggest defeat of Federation and Klingon forces in the war.
the star trek galaxy is pretty sparsely populated though. most non-homeworld colonies in any nation are tiny outposts with sometimes only a few thousand residents. cardassians, like most species in star trek, have the vast majority of their population on their homeworld. so, if you assume that the entire cardassian population would be around 20 billion pre war, losing 800 million is an apocalyptic loss of life that may take centuries to recover from. mind you, our modern estimates of deaths in a nuclear war average on about 300 million deaths, and thats considered an actual end of civilization event
I like to think that the Vorta that Odo traveled with were Weyoun, Kivan, and Yogrin and that Odo came back to the Alpha Quadrant to bid on Quarks body after Quark's death. Odo then used Quark's remains to clone Quark and uses these clones to fulfill his desires by throwing the clones in prison and/or killing them. We know from that one episode of Star Trek: Voyager that killing holograms on the Holodeck is not the same thing as killing a real flesh and blood being.
I really like the progression we see in STO. I may wish that we got more than fighting but those battles do lead to a large portion of the major powers of the entire galaxy working together. I mean while watching ds9 who would have thought that we would have seen the Romulans, Klingons, and the dominion all working together with the federation to save sol. I do feel the game gets the ideals of mutual cooperation right.
Yes, because everyone just happily holds the others hands. STOs Worldbuilding is pathetic, which is a shame, since some of it's stories are decent. I like the Romulan Republic prologue and the Tzenketh as well as the Hurq Stories. Btw, I absolutely *hate* the Iconian War and the Time Travel Story.
@@TurKlack to be fair the shit cbs put out in the last few years didn't help and the writing has been improving in sto, all the story up to the iconion war arc is a real slog but at least they haven't quite deleted much content. it's a real pain to find drozana station, nimbus and lost dominion arcs as a federation character.
@TurKlack most of the time travel stuff is mainly just Daniel's shenanigans The iconian war No shit everyone would work together A hostile race with a Dyson sphere filled to the brink with ships and troops Have been spying on the major powers and determining which races should be exterminated or subjugated With ships and troops that can literally appear Anywhere in the galaxy Yeah of course everyone would work together
I think if the Borg survive their encounter with Species 8472, some day there will be a war between them and the Dominion. If not between Species 8472 and the Dominion.
Picard may pick up on some of this. Spoiler alert, it's definitely being "hinted at"...... i think there definitely could be an update on this video soon.
Why does no one address the fact that Odo linked with Laas after he had been infected by section 31, which means either Laas died from the disease alone, or if he did form his own mini-link that that would have suffered the disease.
Given that this event is sort of the end of the story for the old Trek shows chronologically, I enjoy getting to learn more about where things might've gone from there. Thank you very much for these videos. I love some good Trek lore. God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
The issue with Laas is that since Odo was the unaware carrier of the virus that infected the great link before he met Laas, he was also unaware that he passed it onto Laas. So any link that Laas would have created with the other lost changelings would've been infected as well and eventually die.
I doubt someone as detail-oriented as Odo would just casually forget that he linked with Laas and infected him. He likely would have left instructions to somehow get a hold of Laas and let him know what happened. Bashir still had the cure. All Laas would have had to do was go to him.
@@yaburu Where would you start looking for Laas? His mistrust of solids would make it almost impossible to find him. Plus there would be a very short time to find him in. Assuming the virus was created to activate at a specific time, it appears to be the case in DS9, Laas would be as ill as Odo and the Great Link is at the end of the Dominion War. The Changlings didn't have long left at that point. An optimistic guess would give Odo and any other Changlings allowed to search for Laas about a year to find him.
Notice even Section 31 didn't initiate biological warfare against the Dominion until after the horrors of the Blight had been revealed. Seems to be a kind of poetic justice to me.
Great choice Rick as usual. I was wondering what had happened after that. I get a few hints from your online gaming vids but thanks for the actual info.
I am surprised someone didn't go after the Breen. In my follow-up series, I had a rogue Federation fleet defect and start a war and they targeted the Breen for their attack on Earth and for being "traitors".
The sad thing about Laas is that although he was a xenophobe, he did leave Odo to search for other Changelings. If Laas is infected with the virus, he may pass that onto any of the other 100 Infant Changelings out there that Laas meets, despite the fact that they had nothing to the War or the genocide. Though Laas was a lost cause as far as his ability to trust or care for any solids because he was so prejudiced.
The Dominion would have likely never came to the Alpha Quadrant had The Federation stopped using the wormhole to explore the Gamma Quadrant. They weren't like the Borg. But once they did invade, they hammered the Federation to near submission. Had it not been for the "Evil" Section 31, the Federation would have been brought to heel. Once you subject your people to the horror of war, you have two options. You can surrender, ask for the best terms to save lives. Or you can go full bore until you bring your opponent to surrender. That's not gonna happen without death, destruction, and crossing multiple moral lines. You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian. Remember history is written by the victors. Both sides have children, and are just looking to survive.
Section 31 was reviled, but the end to the Dominion War came about not because the combined Klingon/UFP/Romulan fleet (with the Cardassians who changed sides) beat their way to Cardassia, since the 'female' changeling had declared that she would make any victory for the opposing forces as bitter as defeat, but because Odo was able to share his experiences/cure for the disease S31 had engineered, and persuade her to end things. (Which I always though was a little anti-climactic). Had S31 NOT given them the disease, it is doubtful that the female would have capitulated simply because Odo had some good (and bad) experiences with the solids. S31 was fulfilling its remit to deal with threats to the UFP, and the Founders purpose for the war was to subjugate the Alpha quadrant, which by the end included the mass extermination of the population of Earth - as well as the mass executions on Cardassia to eradicate ITS population ordered by the Female Changeling. When dealing with an enemy which wants to reduce you to slavery or just kill you it's hard to justify a softly softly approach.
Im just finally happy that we are now finally having follow ups to the dominion war. This was one of the major beefs i had with modern trek, how could you proceed with the series going forward without mentioning the biggest event that effected the powersin the alpha and beta quadrant ever? They just treated it like it never happend yet we know that it must have had major effects on it i mean heck Wolf 359 effects are still being felt decades later and that was far smaller in scale than that as it effected not just one power but everything in 3 quadrants of the galaxy. Now we learn that a splinter faction has formed within the Dominion and are hell bent on revenge and this has probably the biggest interesting story i have had in modern trek since the 90's trek era.
Yeah, it certainly is noticeable in it's absence from PICARD and even LOWER DECKS. I assume, I haven't seen LD but there haven't been any videos online referencing any new details that may have come out in it. The most striking is the latest episode of PICARD (Ep 4 - 'No Win Scenario') where the Titan-A captain, Shaw, reveals he was at WOLF359 when the battle took place and has a major bit of survivors guilt, apparently. Yet, you never hear anyone talking about the friends/family they lost in the Dominion War. I mean, whole lists were released every day/week and posted in DS9 with the dead, as seen on the show! But even though it's closer to PICARDs time than WOLF359, you still don't hear a peep about it. Almost like it's not part of canon they can use for the show. Very strange. There's a LOT of stuff that can be used during the war yet they remain fixed on picking at WOLF359 instead even though we have whole episodes and games based on the battle! (STAR TREK: BORG) Personally, I'd like to know what the Enterprise and crew were doing during the entire war? -For complete transparency (and the record), there IS a PC game that was released in 2001 called 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - Dominion Wars' which you can still find here and there. However, beyond the fact that when it released it was so full of bugs and glitches that it was nearly impossible to play until patched (some things never change), I believe a lot of the stuff in the game itself was randomized for gameplay purposes or not considered canon anymore. **shrugs**
I wonder if The Dominion actually want a peaceful relationship with The UFP or the Alpha Quadrant..... Everyone knows the old saying, "Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer."
If we were to get a new star trek series about the changelings then I would prefer something like 8:30 and not the Dominion war 2 because I never really liked the idea of shows trying to cash in on nostalgia. I would rather explore new concepts. Look at the Star Gate Series and their Ori faction, it's basically a catholic Goa'uld faction. A good idea for a new Star Gate series would instead be the disclosure of the Star Gate program to Earth's societies with the intention of opening up colonies. I actually think that such a idea would solve a lot of the real life mental health problems we see today by giving anyone with a pulse a purpose in life that isn't a 9-5 wage slave life style for the next 40 years. The problem with Stargate is that the good guys became too powerful and any serious nerf to that power would take such disbelief which also leads to a difficulty of what do you with the next series once those OP abilities were restored as well as strengthened. Not even in Star Trek could the federation travel to another galaxy within a few hours like they can in Stargate: Atlantis.
I’m not sure if it was really necessary to the overall point, but the fact that the Karemma delegation in Lower Decks was the first trade talks with the Dominion since the war backs up the idea that diplomacy has been icy. Also it’s funny how many comments are talking like you don’t know Picard S3 is happening, when I figure you just wrote it that way to acknowledge it without spoiling anyone who hasn’t seen it yet lol
Thanks for the great video. I always wondered what happened after the Dominion War. I find that very exciting. That the Dominion had to withdraw completely from the Alpha Quadrant is clear. But was the Federation allowed to fly through the wormhole into the Gamma Quadrant? After all, that is Dominion territory. I also find the topic with Laas very exciting. There are just so many issues with the development after the war. The open theme with the missing Dominion fleet (2800 vessels, wow!) in the wormhole is also great. Man, I love all topics with DS9 and the Dominion.
I really wish Star Trek would have a show that picks up right after the dominion war. I really hate that they keep doing prequel shows. And I’m not a big fan of Picard.
I wonder, did you create this episode because of Picard Season 3 episode 4 as there is changelings in that episode, if not well that’s a interesting coincidence.
The Zhat vash and tal Shiar were more worried about synths taking over than their own people’s safety. They thought this was perfect way to get federation to side against synths.
Sounds like you haven't seen the latest episodes of Picard, as their is a splinter group of changlings that are trying to re-start the war in the show.
I mean he has a review of episode 3 up, so I guess maybe this video was to far in development for him to feel the need to edit it to include the previous episodes?
These videos were recorded weeks before their airing, so there was not much to edit the new info, he will probably do an upgraded version after the series ends and we see the outcome of it.
What happened after the dominion war? The writers realized that there was pretty much nothing left to explore and no new worlds left to discover, all 'unexplored' territory was now almost certainly hostile territory. Star Trek was supposed to be about exploration and discovery, not out and out warfare - therefore there were no new stories of exploration to tell. The franchise therefore hit a brick wall and progressive content ended, leaving only going back into the past as a viable option for new material.
What are you on about? The entire war was fought through the Bajoran Wormhole because of tens of thousands lightyears of unexplored space in between the two sides. Similar case with the Gamma quadrant, the fact Voyager expected to take 70 years to travel by normal Warp to get back home implies strongly that the width of the volume of space was like 100 times larger than the width of the UFP, since if a state cannot be traversed by it's people in less than a year or so it Has a major problem with being a functional state. And all that is just in the Milky Way, no need to even go extragalactic.
@@chinerpeton No way the UFP would ever get a single ship half filled with non-combatants to 'explore new worlds' and get it warping towards either the Borg or Dominion, both highly hostile.... no they would send a fully armed battlegroup.....
The story really starts to fall apart when you move into new Trek canon. The Romulan supernova and the utopia planitia evil androids are just ridiculous.
The dominion seemed to come out of the war on top. They only lost their alpha quadrant gains, military resources that were manufactured primarily in the alpha quadrant, and only had one leader surrender herself to be tried. Their original territory was left in tact, they suffered no loss to their infrastructure, and their political structure remained. The alpha quadrant powers suffered huge losses in life, and resources. The entire political landscape of every political power was altered, the cardassians were reduced from a powerful empire to a single world whose population was drastically reduced. Even the federation was destabilized to an extent.
there is a fan 'Y/T Audio drama' that supposes that a Dominion outpost remained on Turkana IV, Tasha Yar's home planet. The residents were happy that the Jem'Hadar put down the violent gangs and preserved order on the planet. It's been unfinished for quite a while but makes for an interesting listen.
I'd love to sit across from Jean-Luc and politely & Silently watch him explain again how Star Fleet Isn't a "military organization" You're on JLP, have at it. You have my full attention.
There should be a new DS9 series picking up 20 years after the previous series ended. Bring back a few of the old crew (Kira would be a MUST). There are an endless number of storylines.
I hope they add a wildcard factor to ST Picard as otherwise as Ric' points out they are immortals if you know you have more time ahead of you than you have behind (millenia) then you'd be very risk averse and only the collective consciousness aspect of the great link would keep you in moral check. For rogue Changelings I can see a promise of being welcomed back to the great link is a reason they would risk their life for as living without it is a prison sentence not a life... unless they learn to "adapt". which is likely possible as Odo did.
The other question is what happened to the Cardassians (in their territory)? The Cardassian "Empire" is broken and vulnerable, their best option would be to become a Federation 'vassal' and try to eventually join the Federation. That would provide them protection and much needed help in rebuilding. To stand by themselves, right next to the Kligons, would not be a smart move. And with most of their military and government wiped out by the Dominion in the last hours of the war, they would have had a major internal shift in their power structure - it had just been systematically eliminated!!
Yeah I would just like to say that the Utopia Planetia Incident with the Tal Shiar REALLY should have gotten that whole organization outright CRIMINALIZED. Why? Because they likely caused the death of MILLIONS that would otherwise have been saved by the Federation rescue fleet.
That was my favorite part of STO, the diminion ships coming back and then the new missions into the Gamma quadrant. Very fun! Very replayable! I was actually invested un the game, rather than skip skip skip, spacebar space bar space bar, pick loot, repeat.
A) The federation were the ones crossing into dominion territory first through the wormhole. B) The dominion only lost it's gains. If anything the federation took way more losses of actual people and not mass bred soldiers. The founders themselves lost almost nobody and the vorta only lost a few. So all in all the dominion really came out victors here.
The mutagenic virus is what pushed the founders to settle. Otherwise, another fleet would follow through the wormhole and eventually break the alpha quadrant.
I tend to think that the effect is the destruction of the Dominion. A) They have proven to be fallible B) They need to have their warrior caste being drug dependent. Bad luck if some highly advanced rival counters that, either making the drug or making a genetic patch for that slave army - so huge numbers of scientists would be doing that across the Galaxy C) Odo brings change to the great link, probably leading to a split between hard liners and those who are curious about the solids. His life is an open book to them - his friendships and romances are an experience they might want to try for themselves. Odo showed that solids were not monsters, and could instead provide social networks of a distinct variety, and we saw at least one shifter who was a solo adventurer. I expect a wave of tourists and thrill seekers who would want to try being a humanoid and singing in a nightclub or having sex, that might be inferior to the great link but they are a curious species and enjoyed being other creatures, I find it hard to believe that none might want to try being a ferengi business man or a Klingon warrior or a federation explorer. It's the equivalent of mountain climbing, hard and dangerous, but people do it anyway. I can imagine founders going out and having new experiences, and returning to the link, which would then inspire others positively or negatively. Polarized founders would split into at least two links. I can easily imagine a group that hated the Feds for the changes they brought, and another that was thrilled by them in the same way punks were - they were daring rebels who dared to do everything they weren't supposed to. To a shifter, the punkest thing imaginable might be to join the federation - although I can see them trying to tweak it to be more like the Dominion anyway, the need for order seems to be a deep drive.
What about Romulan Ale?? Was it made legal? As admiral Ross and co was drinking it when Romulas signed the pact to join the Dominion war, i dont think the treaty made it legal to drink at that point in time.
When Admiral Ross and Dr. Bashir were going to Romulus. Ross told Bashir that the trade embargo against the Romulian Empire was over due to them being allies in the Dominion War.
Yeah man. This sort of a childish writing is really grinding my gears sometimes. Dominion was still strong af! It was only Cardassian army that was obliterated. Dominion still had a huge offensive power.
It does stand to reason that post Voyager's return from the Delta Quadrant in Star Trek's canon; the Romulan Star Empire swept into the Delta Quadrant and took the Borg completely out of action; as it seems as though that's where they got the resources to set up the scams in the early "Picard" series for one example- plus the Rihannsu Imperium is one *extremely opportunistic* society, as well as incredibly predatory, and the Borg were really on the ropes very soon after Janeway disabled the Borg Transwarp network. *Added* to that, there's "Hugh" and his line about the Borg now being basically slaves to be warehoused, used, or eradicated as their neighbors deem necessary., and the Romulans are quite well known to enslave those they subdue. Plus, we've got the legacy of Commander Shinzon's campaigns, both in the Dominion front *and* apparently his devastation of the Borg Collective as well- prior to his use of a radiological weapon to subjugate the Romulans, a campaign shown clearly canonically in the movie "Nemesis" where his operations go badly off-kilter and he ends up dying due to his operations.
Something that never comes up in the Picard-related material (like PIC S1 and Last Best Hope) is that the Federation was *just* coming out of the Cardassian Marshall Plan when all of that stuff with the Romulans started happening. They'd just got done with one ground-up reconstruction of a heretofore hostile foreign power, and now they're being asked to do it again? On top of this potentially eating into resources to rebuild core Federation worlds like Betazed? It's little wonder that the UFP voters kinda hated it after not all that long.
Skrreea race wasn't mentioned. I think that was an oversight. The Sanctuary episode was important about how the Federation treats refugees. It was a shame this was one shot and no follow up and what happened to them.
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The worst thing after the Dominion War was the sharp decline in writing quality in the Star Trek universe.
The Dominion War took its toll on the Alpha Quadrant. All the good writing resources were used in the War and it will take a long time to recover.
And retcons. Oh, the retcons...
Bah Enterprise (2001) after the first 5-8 episodes is way better than and characters more rich especially the texican. 😇
Also i would argue that first season and third season of Picard is pretty good althought it might be my member berries.
Rest i can agree is pretty shitty especially discovery. 🤮
Why the mycelium subspace travel…..giving strong distasteful midoclorean vibes…just doesn’t feel the same…
Afther the dominion war, the casualties where the writers
I feel like the Dominion basically won the war. All of their power in their own quadrant remained and all they lost were their gains in the Alpha quadrant and a number of soldiers they didnt care about anyway, while the alpha quadrant was left in ruins
Although if they had asked Bajor and the Federation to just follow their rules if they want to enter the Gamma Quadrant, I think they could have gotten that agreement much cheaper.
They did lose a bunch of Founder lives in the war
But they also lost any real advantage of expanding into the alpha quadrant, even if everyone on one side has to rebuild they now have experience fighting and winning against them and their quadrant is still open for federation influence. And since Section 31 proved they could make a weapon that could wipe out the founders, nothing stops them from making another or potentially worse one if deemed needed.
if one made a new show which saw an extra Galactic power having conquered the Dominion the Vorta, Founders and JH being wiped out would be a powerful enemy if they did so in a matter of weeks
@@mrbojangles8133 that's such a cheap and overused plot
@@joshuahillerup4290 They were technologically slower than the alpha quadrant. The Dominion existed for millenniums and were already slightly behind the Federation. Having such a big long term disadvantage doesn't sit well with control freaks
So, basically, return of Voyager is end of canonical Star Trek history. Everything else is jar jar abrams', bad reboot's and kurzguy's bad fanfic.
I mean, yeah, pretty much.
The Dominion war was definitely the most significant event in Star Trek history.
They came the closest of any Federation enemies to beating them and Gul Dukat was just one Sisko visit to the wormhole Prophets away from pulling off the ultimate victory.
Sisko saved the Federation with multiple well time actions from the initial help he got from the Prophets to working with Garak to trick the Romulans into joining the Federation and Klingon alliance.
Wolf 359?
@@D.M.S. Wolf359 was one short live event which resulted in far fewer lives and ships lost before the Federation was able to win than the Dominion war.
It last for several years and as the video narrator explained the Federation actually lost member planets like Betazid before the victory was won.
And even then the Federation needed a lost of help from the Klingons, Romulans, the Prophets and even the Kardashians after they revolted.
Didn't the Romulans get to the Solar system before being stopped by an early Starfleet?
Anyway, I believe the first contact was the most significant, but the Dominion war is in the top 10
In Star trek Discovery ss1 we see Star Fleet almost be defeated by the Klingon and section 31 was there to save the day or may be they who blow up Praxic. Then same thing happened during the Dominion war. And the Dominion will be sunk into civil war as their servants begin to question their godhood for accepting the treaty and the Founder begin to facture into many sub factions.
As the two factions that come out of the war on top, the Federation and the Romulan, they are competitors. It may possibly that Section 31 have something to do with the Romulus star go supernova.
Normally, the Romulan would have detected the problem for decades.
@@matheuscerqueira7952 First contact was a short lived single event.
The Dominion war lasted for several years with multiple huge battles.
It's not even close
I was kind of hoping that the Changeling in Picard was in charge of the fleet that the Prophets removed, but then realized that there's not really any way a fleet that size could sneak into the quadrant quietly.
This plot point could give 2-3 good episodes
I was kind of hoping Picard would be good but of course it couldn't be because it was produced by untalented vultures
@@NitroDubzzz better than anything you put out. Go make your own show. I'm still Canon. Deal with it.
@@NitroDubzzz 3rd season is good so far
@@NitroDubzzz I've liked it quite a bit. I'd put it ahead of Discovery, Enterprise, and Voyager.
The subtle change in the diplomatic situations in all the mentioned quadrants would be worth further exploration. The Breen were lucky that harsher terms were not placed on them.
I dont think anyone knew what to do with the Breen. Just something like "plz go away" sufficied
The Breen only came in the last months of the war so they were not as heavily effected as the other major powers that fought in the war. They mostly just retreated back into their territory and based on what we saw in Lower Decks they are still raiding other planets for conquest much like they did in their old days. It would be interesting to follow them, maybe Lower Decks can use them as the new major enemy power now that the pakleds have pretty much destroyed their homeworld and are less of a threat. ( I do like they used them as the main enemy race in the first 3 seasons liek the kazones were for the first 2 of voyager, as they are such a perfect enemy for the series) But now is the time for higher stakes.
The Federation should’ve gone full Sherman on the Breen Confederacy.
What about the Romulan anti Founder technology? The device that prevented Odo from being able to shapeshift and thus caused "issues" when it was bucket time …
If that could be extrapolated into a large area field then Founder infiltration would be very difficult.
I believe that was Cardassian tech from the Obsidian Order. The changeling impersonating the Tal Shiar guy Lovok was angry that he wasn’t aware of it (first clue for me that he wasn’t really a Romulan). If anyone has that tech now it would be the dominion.
A note about Laas. He is likely dead. Odo was used as the original vector for the disease by Section 31 and they linked at times while Odo was unknowingly infected. The disease progresses proportionally to how much shapeshifting and Changeling does.
That is very possible. Although, Odo could have sent a broad spectrum message out into the Galaxy informing Laas and other Changelings of the cure. We know Odo is detail oriented and he wouldn't have forgotten Lars.
You encounter Laas in sto
im guessing he is running the rogue faction we just found out about in Picard
@@vexile1239 STO isnt cannon. And according to Patrick Steward Picard is set in an alternate universe
@@MrDeadsr sto is its own canon tho
Finally done dominion war clarification. Perfect timing since Picard is referenced it
Yes but the Picard founders look like 10lbs of raw liver.
The big bad in Picarad S3 so far looks to be a changeling Im not 100% sold on this season being good but so far its not bad which is better than anything else as of late Im looking forward to seeing rest of season to see more changelings
@@matthewdavies2057 They improved the effects and made them look more gross than what was possible for TV back in the 90s.
@@matthewdavies2057 better CGI? the ooze in the old one looked Cheaper.
@@matthewdavies2057 To be fair while the founders transformative state back in ds9 was revolutionary at the time, its age is starting to show, the modern ones look more organic looking and it is the first upgraded race change that i think actually improves over the original showing. Not like the redesigned tellerite, klingons or future ferengi those things were like blah.
I've read that Cardassia would with a lot of help from The Federation to rebuild their planet might look something like Japan's change in culture, and booming economy after the U.S. guided it during, and after occupation. The outcome of The Dominion War kind of seems more similar to what happened after The Korean War because North Korea was left intact, the pre-war borders were restored, but neither side really gained anything except stronger, more streamlined militaries.
Thought Laas would have been unknowingly infected by Odo with the virus and died somewhere else.
I thought the same
Exactly. That's what happened and I won't believe in other versions
Maybe he survived somehow and that's why some certain changelings look gross, and meaty.
I also wonder about the other 98 infant changelings who have yet to return
@@keithtorgersen9664 Odo tried to raise one.
We do know from recent Picard episodes that some of the founders have indeed split off and are trying to restart the war.
@@danielaramburo7648 Or at least gone into the gamma quadrant and liberated the subject species.
You gotta imagine though, the alpha quadrant struggled to take back their own quadrant by a force that was basically on their own for some time. To assault in the heart of the Dominion would have definitely been a long, drawn-out, and extremely bloody battle
@@AP-jl3rs and probably the dominion would have won in their own territory, if the federation had that hard of a time dealing with a group that was essentially on its own, yeah pretty hard a Federation victory in Dominion space
@@AP-jl3rs The Dominion were pretty much given a foothold by the Cardassians, without this they would have had to have punched through the wormhole by force against DS9 and the Federation fleet stationed there.
I don't take anything from Picard as Cannon, mainly because those who write the stories don't truly care about the lore of Star Trek.
Think of Cardassia as Japan doing WWII. Probably was the same after Dominion War.
There was only one loser in the Dominion War, the Cardassians.
The Dominion got the Feddies out of their territory.
The Klingons got more territory.
The Federation got a moral victory.
The Romulans got to look good.
The Breen kept their isolation.
The Cardassians may have lost 800+ million dead, and Cardassia Prime, Chintaka and Septimus III devastated, but they actually didn't lose any territory by the terms of the Treaty of Bajor, and inherited all that Dominion Tech and an enormous industrial base. After being behind the other powers all this time, they are now effectively caught up, and once they've rebuilt, they are actually much better off than they were. Thanks to the Dominion Tech, plus a deep peak at Federation, Romulan, Klingon and Breen technologies, they no longer need to expand toward Federation space for resources, they can now easily run an export economy with the resources of Cardassian space. There was also no long-term military restrictions on Cardassia, so they would be able to rebuild much of their fleet with new designs and finally become a peer of the other two powers, while devoting their energies to non-fascist, not expansionary pursuits. Basically they can become post-War Japan.
@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 I thought Cardassia was resource-poor, which is why they took over Bajor.
The Breen suffered major losses of ships and troops but gained no territory.
@@funkervogt47 And lost no territory. And are known for giving the Federation a seriously bloody nose in their attack on Earth. And are responsible for the biggest defeat of Federation and Klingon forces in the war.
the star trek galaxy is pretty sparsely populated though. most non-homeworld colonies in any nation are tiny outposts with sometimes only a few thousand residents. cardassians, like most species in star trek, have the vast majority of their population on their homeworld. so, if you assume that the entire cardassian population would be around 20 billion pre war, losing 800 million is an apocalyptic loss of life that may take centuries to recover from. mind you, our modern estimates of deaths in a nuclear war average on about 300 million deaths, and thats considered an actual end of civilization event
I like to think that the Vorta that Odo traveled with were Weyoun, Kivan, and Yogrin and that Odo came back to the Alpha Quadrant to bid on Quarks body after Quark's death. Odo then used Quark's remains to clone Quark and uses these clones to fulfill his desires by throwing the clones in prison and/or killing them. We know from that one episode of Star Trek: Voyager that killing holograms on the Holodeck is not the same thing as killing a real flesh and blood being.
I really like the progression we see in STO. I may wish that we got more than fighting but those battles do lead to a large portion of the major powers of the entire galaxy working together. I mean while watching ds9 who would have thought that we would have seen the Romulans, Klingons, and the dominion all working together with the federation to save sol. I do feel the game gets the ideals of mutual cooperation right.
Yes, because everyone just happily holds the others hands. STOs Worldbuilding is pathetic, which is a shame, since some of it's stories are decent. I like the Romulan Republic prologue and the Tzenketh as well as the Hurq Stories.
Btw, I absolutely *hate* the Iconian War and the Time Travel Story.
@@TurKlack to be fair the shit cbs put out in the last few years didn't help and the writing has been improving in sto, all the story up to the iconion war arc is a real slog but at least they haven't quite deleted much content. it's a real pain to find drozana station, nimbus and lost dominion arcs as a federation character.
@TurKlack most of the time travel stuff is mainly just Daniel's shenanigans
The iconian war
No shit everyone would work together
A hostile race with a Dyson sphere filled to the brink with ships and troops
Have been spying on the major powers and determining which races should be exterminated or subjugated
With ships and troops that can literally appear
Anywhere in the galaxy
Yeah of course everyone would work together
That splinter faction is exactly what we seem to be getting in this season of Picard
Easy, they all lived in peace and harmony, meeting twice a month to hold hands and dance around an exotic meadow under a six moon sky. And then...
The Ferengi rose up and bought the universe...
Yeeeesss! And now IDW is releasing an official sequel series with Benjamin Sisko! Great content as always!
Who making it and dont upset me by saying that soy boy kruz men is making it
@@robert23456789 soy boy was so 2020 man
Official and canon are vastly different, though
Sisko? Pfftt I killed his wife.
@@MyBrainGlows how fetch
A day doesnt seem long enough for a complete withdrawal. Did the writers think that one through?
If their "gods" order it, then the Vorta & Jem'Hadar are going to make it happen.
TV Tropes: Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense Of Scale.
afganistan was pretty quick, but thats usually considered an embarassing failure of planning
I think if the Borg survive their encounter with Species 8472, some day there will be a war between them and the Dominion. If not between Species 8472 and the Dominion.
Picard may pick up on some of this. Spoiler alert, it's definitely being "hinted at"...... i think there definitely could be an update on this video soon.
Was good to see Rene contribute to Star Trek:Online content before his passing.
I am so glad the Dominion has become relevant again in recent Trek media.
Why does no one address the fact that Odo linked with Laas after he had been infected by section 31, which means either Laas died from the disease alone, or if he did form his own mini-link that that would have suffered the disease.
Given that this event is sort of the end of the story for the old Trek shows chronologically, I enjoy getting to learn more about where things might've gone from there. Thank you very much for these videos. I love some good Trek lore.
God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
@Digitalismuk Do you have any good starting points you might recommend when it comes to the books?
Wouldn't Lars have been infected with the same virus Odo gave the founders?
It depends if they showed symptoms of the illness when he met them
this is all well and good but what about quark's short term quarterly gains after the war?!?
What happened after is that the writing and competent studios gave up on Star Trek.
The issue with Laas is that since Odo was the unaware carrier of the virus that infected the great link before he met Laas, he was also unaware that he passed it onto Laas. So any link that Laas would have created with the other lost changelings would've been infected as well and eventually die.
I doubt someone as detail-oriented as Odo would just casually forget that he linked with Laas and infected him. He likely would have left instructions to somehow get a hold of Laas and let him know what happened. Bashir still had the cure. All Laas would have had to do was go to him.
@@yaburu Where would you start looking for Laas? His mistrust of solids would make it almost impossible to find him. Plus there would be a very short time to find him in. Assuming the virus was created to activate at a specific time, it appears to be the case in DS9, Laas would be as ill as Odo and the Great Link is at the end of the Dominion War. The Changlings didn't have long left at that point. An optimistic guess would give Odo and any other Changlings allowed to search for Laas about a year to find him.
It's not unreasonable to think that Odo found a way to pass the cire onto them too, it just didn't warrant a full episode.
@@Jedi_Scowen that's a great point.
Notice even Section 31 didn't initiate biological warfare against the Dominion until after the horrors of the Blight had been revealed. Seems to be a kind of poetic justice to me.
Holy crap, they made a book about the battle for betazed.
Watching this after Picard S03E05 makes it more awesome.
Lars linked with Odo. He's sooooo dead.
I agree Lars should have died from the bioweapon long before creating his own Great Link.
Great choice Rick as usual. I was wondering what had happened after that. I get a few hints from your online gaming vids but thanks for the actual info.
I am surprised someone didn't go after the Breen. In my follow-up series, I had a rogue Federation fleet defect and start a war and they targeted the Breen for their attack on Earth and for being "traitors".
i think S3 Picard is going to add.. or change alot of what you said about what they are doing now.
The sad thing about Laas is that although he was a xenophobe, he did leave Odo to search for other Changelings. If Laas is infected with the virus, he may pass that onto any of the other 100 Infant Changelings out there that Laas meets, despite the fact that they had nothing to the War or the genocide.
Though Laas was a lost cause as far as his ability to trust or care for any solids because he was so prejudiced.
The Dominion would have likely never came to the Alpha Quadrant had The Federation stopped using the wormhole to explore the Gamma Quadrant. They weren't like the Borg. But once they did invade, they hammered the Federation to near submission. Had it not been for the "Evil" Section 31, the Federation would have been brought to heel.
Once you subject your people to the horror of war, you have two options. You can surrender, ask for the best terms to save lives. Or you can go full bore until you bring your opponent to surrender. That's not gonna happen without death, destruction, and crossing multiple moral lines.
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian. Remember history is written by the victors. Both sides have children, and are just looking to survive.
Section 31 was reviled, but the end to the Dominion War came about not because the combined Klingon/UFP/Romulan fleet (with the Cardassians who changed sides) beat their way to Cardassia, since the 'female' changeling had declared that she would make any victory for the opposing forces as bitter as defeat, but because Odo was able to share his experiences/cure for the disease S31 had engineered, and persuade her to end things. (Which I always though was a little anti-climactic). Had S31 NOT given them the disease, it is doubtful that the female would have capitulated simply because Odo had some good (and bad) experiences with the solids. S31 was fulfilling its remit to deal with threats to the UFP, and the Founders purpose for the war was to subjugate the Alpha quadrant, which by the end included the mass extermination of the population of Earth - as well as the mass executions on Cardassia to eradicate ITS population ordered by the Female Changeling. When dealing with an enemy which wants to reduce you to slavery or just kill you it's hard to justify a softly softly approach.
Im just finally happy that we are now finally having follow ups to the dominion war. This was one of the major beefs i had with modern trek, how could you proceed with the series going forward without mentioning the biggest event that effected the powersin the alpha and beta quadrant ever?
They just treated it like it never happend yet we know that it must have had major effects on it i mean heck Wolf 359 effects are still being felt decades later and that was far smaller in scale than that as it effected not just one power but everything in 3 quadrants of the galaxy.
Now we learn that a splinter faction has formed within the Dominion and are hell bent on revenge and this has probably the biggest interesting story i have had in modern trek since the 90's trek era.
Yeah, it certainly is noticeable in it's absence from PICARD and even LOWER DECKS. I assume, I haven't seen LD but there haven't been any videos online referencing any new details that may have come out in it. The most striking is the latest episode of PICARD (Ep 4 - 'No Win Scenario') where the Titan-A captain, Shaw, reveals he was at WOLF359 when the battle took place and has a major bit of survivors guilt, apparently. Yet, you never hear anyone talking about the friends/family they lost in the Dominion War. I mean, whole lists were released every day/week and posted in DS9 with the dead, as seen on the show! But even though it's closer to PICARDs time than WOLF359, you still don't hear a peep about it. Almost like it's not part of canon they can use for the show. Very strange. There's a LOT of stuff that can be used during the war yet they remain fixed on picking at WOLF359 instead even though we have whole episodes and games based on the battle! (STAR TREK: BORG) Personally, I'd like to know what the Enterprise and crew were doing during the entire war?
-For complete transparency (and the record), there IS a PC game that was released in 2001 called 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - Dominion Wars' which you can still find here and there. However, beyond the fact that when it released it was so full of bugs and glitches that it was nearly impossible to play until patched (some things never change), I believe a lot of the stuff in the game itself was randomized for gameplay purposes or not considered canon anymore. **shrugs**
I wonder if The Dominion actually want a peaceful relationship with The UFP or the Alpha Quadrant..... Everyone knows the old saying,
"Keep your friends close. Keep your enemies closer."
I personally prefer bajor staying independent but a federation ally. It would also make more sense being only a few years since the occupation.
What if the rebel faction of the changelings have joined forces with the pah wraiths (the rebel faction of the wormhole aliens)
If we were to get a new star trek series about the changelings then I would prefer something like 8:30 and not the Dominion war 2 because I never really liked the idea of shows trying to cash in on nostalgia. I would rather explore new concepts. Look at the Star Gate Series and their Ori faction, it's basically a catholic Goa'uld faction.
A good idea for a new Star Gate series would instead be the disclosure of the Star Gate program to Earth's societies with the intention of opening up colonies. I actually think that such a idea would solve a lot of the real life mental health problems we see today by giving anyone with a pulse a purpose in life that isn't a 9-5 wage slave life style for the next 40 years.
The problem with Stargate is that the good guys became too powerful and any serious nerf to that power would take such disbelief which also leads to a difficulty of what do you with the next series once those OP abilities were restored as well as strengthened. Not even in Star Trek could the federation travel to another galaxy within a few hours like they can in Stargate: Atlantis.
I’m not sure if it was really necessary to the overall point, but the fact that the Karemma delegation in Lower Decks was the first trade talks with the Dominion since the war backs up the idea that diplomacy has been icy.
Also it’s funny how many comments are talking like you don’t know Picard S3 is happening, when I figure you just wrote it that way to acknowledge it without spoiling anyone who hasn’t seen it yet lol
Thanks for the great video. I always wondered what happened after the Dominion War. I find that very exciting. That the Dominion had to withdraw completely from the Alpha Quadrant is clear. But was the Federation allowed to fly through the wormhole into the Gamma Quadrant? After all, that is Dominion territory. I also find the topic with Laas very exciting. There are just so many issues with the development after the war.
The open theme with the missing Dominion fleet (2800 vessels, wow!) in the wormhole is also great. Man, I love all topics with DS9 and the Dominion.
I really wish Star Trek would have a show that picks up right after the dominion war. I really hate that they keep doing prequel shows. And I’m not a big fan of Picard.
I wonder, did you create this episode because of Picard Season 3 episode 4 as there is changelings in that episode, if not well that’s a interesting coincidence.
I don't understand why the romulans destroyed a feet that was built to save them🤷?????????how do this make sense???
The Zhat vash and tal Shiar were more worried about synths taking over than their own people’s safety. They thought this was perfect way to get federation to side against synths.
Sounds like you haven't seen the latest episodes of Picard, as their is a splinter group of changlings that are trying to re-start the war in the show.
I mean he has a review of episode 3 up, so I guess maybe this video was to far in development for him to feel the need to edit it to include the previous episodes?
@@jeeshadow1 true
These videos were recorded weeks before their airing, so there was not much to edit the new info, he will probably do an upgraded version after the series ends and we see the outcome of it.
please don't get my hopes up that I'll see a Dominion fleet, perhaps hidden in a nebula. Seeing that would be intense for me.
What happened after the dominion war?
The writers realized that there was pretty much nothing left to explore and no new worlds left to discover, all 'unexplored' territory was now almost certainly hostile territory. Star Trek was supposed to be about exploration and discovery, not out and out warfare - therefore there were no new stories of exploration to tell. The franchise therefore hit a brick wall and progressive content ended, leaving only going back into the past as a viable option for new material.
What are you on about? The entire war was fought through the Bajoran Wormhole because of tens of thousands lightyears of unexplored space in between the two sides. Similar case with the Gamma quadrant, the fact Voyager expected to take 70 years to travel by normal Warp to get back home implies strongly that the width of the volume of space was like 100 times larger than the width of the UFP, since if a state cannot be traversed by it's people in less than a year or so it Has a major problem with being a functional state. And all that is just in the Milky Way, no need to even go extragalactic.
@@chinerpeton No way the UFP would ever get a single ship half filled with non-combatants to 'explore new worlds' and get it warping towards either the Borg or Dominion, both highly hostile.... no they would send a fully armed battlegroup.....
The story really starts to fall apart when you move into new Trek canon. The Romulan supernova and the utopia planitia evil androids are just ridiculous.
Interesting timing given Picard session 3 recently dropped.
Opinion: you should clarify when info comes from the Kurtzverse in the same way you specify K-line and Beta sources
Opinion is based on faulty data. The "Kurtzverse" is the Prime timeline. Get over it.
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the founders split into 2 factions as seen in picard
The dominion seemed to come out of the war on top. They only lost their alpha quadrant gains, military resources that were manufactured primarily in the alpha quadrant, and only had one leader surrender herself to be tried. Their original territory was left in tact, they suffered no loss to their infrastructure, and their political structure remained.
The alpha quadrant powers suffered huge losses in life, and resources. The entire political landscape of every political power was altered, the cardassians were reduced from a powerful empire to a single world whose population was drastically reduced. Even the federation was destabilized to an extent.
Not requiring the Dominion to mostly disarm shows that the Federation learned one of the lessons from the Treaty of Versailles, lol.
there is a fan 'Y/T Audio drama' that supposes that a Dominion outpost remained on Turkana IV, Tasha Yar's home planet. The residents were happy that the Jem'Hadar put down the violent gangs and preserved order on the planet. It's been unfinished for quite a while but makes for an interesting listen.
the jem'hadar are such a competent police force that they turned space detroit into a functioning civilization
@@Svevsky quite! Their standard position was stand down or suffer the consequences
I'd love to sit across from Jean-Luc and politely & Silently watch him explain again how Star Fleet Isn't a "military organization" You're on JLP, have at it. You have my full attention.
There should be a new DS9 series picking up 20 years after the previous series ended. Bring back a few of the old crew (Kira would be a MUST). There are an endless number of storylines.
Somehow, you make this game look good.
Such a pity it is complete and utter freemium trash.
The Dominion isn´t likely to act until they are sure Starfleet doesn´t have a backup virus
Now that the good Borg have joined the Federation ala Picard season 2 Star Fleet should be set.
I hope they add a wildcard factor to ST Picard as otherwise as Ric' points out they are immortals if you know you have more time ahead of you than you have behind (millenia) then you'd be very risk averse and only the collective consciousness aspect of the great link would keep you in moral check.
For rogue Changelings I can see a promise of being welcomed back to the great link is a reason they would risk their life for as living without it is a prison sentence not a life... unless they learn to "adapt". which is likely possible as Odo did.
I didn't like DS9 until Worf joined, now I consider it the best Star Trek
Small correction: Odo and Laas were part of the hundred, 100 infant changelings sent out by the Founders, not 200.
Yes I noticed that as well, glad I wasn't the only one. Great video though, makes me want to give Star Trek Online a go
Welp given the reveal In Picard I’d say the founders are quietly in a Civil War
The other question is what happened to the Cardassians (in their territory)?
The Cardassian "Empire" is broken and vulnerable, their best option would be to become a Federation 'vassal' and try to eventually join the Federation. That would provide them protection and much needed help in rebuilding. To stand by themselves, right next to the Kligons, would not be a smart move.
And with most of their military and government wiped out by the Dominion in the last hours of the war, they would have had a major internal shift in their power structure - it had just been systematically eliminated!!
Anyone else think of the wormhole like a space Suez or Panama canal?
Yeah I would just like to say that the Utopia Planetia Incident with the Tal Shiar REALLY should have gotten that whole organization outright CRIMINALIZED.
Why? Because they likely caused the death of MILLIONS that would otherwise have been saved by the Federation rescue fleet.
should have launched Genesis devices on Cardassia Prime, The Breen Home World, and the founders home world.
Are you talking about the game actualy? I like the stories tho, im also a fan of star trek
Picard Season 3 Episode 4 has a bit more on this.
There were two hundred infant Changelings? I thought it was one hundred.
Did they ever explain why Laz didn't have the same virus that Odo gave the female Founder? He was presumably infected when he and Odo linked.
The cardassians got everything that they deserve and they some
That was my favorite part of STO, the diminion ships coming back and then the new missions into the Gamma quadrant. Very fun! Very replayable! I was actually invested un the game, rather than skip skip skip, spacebar space bar space bar, pick loot, repeat.
A) The federation were the ones crossing into dominion territory first through the wormhole. B) The dominion only lost it's gains. If anything the federation took way more losses of actual people and not mass bred soldiers. The founders themselves lost almost nobody and the vorta only lost a few.
So all in all the dominion really came out victors here.
in the final episode sisko gives his approval as the emmisary for bajor to join UFP
"Well you see son there's this thing called Thalaron Radiation..."
I have a dealing the “LAAS Link” is what is fighting the Federation in Picard season 3!!
F****ING Solids
This fantastic lore makes STD’s pollution/desecration of the far future Federation even more egregious.
Isn't that exactly what happened in Picard?
The mutagenic virus is what pushed the founders to settle. Otherwise, another fleet would follow through the wormhole and eventually break the alpha quadrant.
Why didn't Lars have the same disease? He linked with Odo after Section 38 infected him.
Are the new changelings part of the 100 that were sent out with Odo
I tend to think that the effect is the destruction of the Dominion.
A) They have proven to be fallible
B) They need to have their warrior caste being drug dependent. Bad luck if some highly advanced rival counters that, either making the drug or making a genetic patch for that slave army - so huge numbers of scientists would be doing that across the Galaxy
C) Odo brings change to the great link, probably leading to a split between hard liners and those who are curious about the solids. His life is an open book to them - his friendships and romances are an experience they might want to try for themselves. Odo showed that solids were not monsters, and could instead provide social networks of a distinct variety, and we saw at least one shifter who was a solo adventurer. I expect a wave of tourists and thrill seekers who would want to try being a humanoid and singing in a nightclub or having sex, that might be inferior to the great link but they are a curious species and enjoyed being other creatures, I find it hard to believe that none might want to try being a ferengi business man or a Klingon warrior or a federation explorer. It's the equivalent of mountain climbing, hard and dangerous, but people do it anyway.
I can imagine founders going out and having new experiences, and returning to the link, which would then inspire others positively or negatively.
Polarized founders would split into at least two links. I can easily imagine a group that hated the Feds for the changes they brought, and another that was thrilled by them in the same way punks were - they were daring rebels who dared to do everything they weren't supposed to.
To a shifter, the punkest thing imaginable might be to join the federation - although I can see them trying to tweak it to be more like the Dominion anyway, the need for order seems to be a deep drive.
I never understood why the federation decised to build a race of robotic workers instead of just building automated ship yards or a giant replicator.
Poor writing
I would thought Laas dead from the Section 31 disease implanted in Odo when they linked unless that visit to Starfleet medical was long afterwards?
What about Romulan Ale?? Was it made legal? As admiral Ross and co was drinking it when Romulas signed the pact to join the Dominion war, i dont think the treaty made it legal to drink at that point in time.
When Admiral Ross and Dr. Bashir were going to Romulus. Ross told Bashir that the trade embargo against the Romulian Empire was over due to them being allies in the Dominion War.
@@fatdaddyeddiejr is that the episode where they're the same class ship as voyager?
@@indianastones6032 yes.
I really enjoyed how things with the Dominion played out in STO!
In other words, it was Odo efforts that actually ended the war?
Everyone made friends and all lived happily ever after!
Yeah man. This sort of a childish writing is really grinding my gears sometimes. Dominion was still strong af! It was only Cardassian army that was obliterated. Dominion still had a huge offensive power.
It does stand to reason that post Voyager's return from the Delta Quadrant in Star Trek's canon; the Romulan Star Empire swept into the Delta Quadrant and took the Borg completely out of action; as it seems as though that's where they got the resources to set up the scams in the early "Picard" series for one example- plus the Rihannsu Imperium is one *extremely opportunistic* society, as well as incredibly predatory, and the Borg were really on the ropes very soon after Janeway disabled the Borg Transwarp network. *Added* to that, there's "Hugh" and his line about the Borg now being basically slaves to be warehoused, used, or eradicated as their neighbors deem necessary., and the Romulans are quite well known to enslave those they subdue.
Plus, we've got the legacy of Commander Shinzon's campaigns, both in the Dominion front *and* apparently his devastation of the Borg Collective as well- prior to his use of a radiological weapon to subjugate the Romulans, a campaign shown clearly canonically in the movie "Nemesis" where his operations go badly off-kilter and he ends up dying due to his operations.
Something that never comes up in the Picard-related material (like PIC S1 and Last Best Hope) is that the Federation was *just* coming out of the Cardassian Marshall Plan when all of that stuff with the Romulans started happening. They'd just got done with one ground-up reconstruction of a heretofore hostile foreign power, and now they're being asked to do it again? On top of this potentially eating into resources to rebuild core Federation worlds like Betazed? It's little wonder that the UFP voters kinda hated it after not all that long.
An alpha + gamma quadrant teamup Vs the Borg would be kinda nifty.
Interesting with what you suggested going into Picard Season 3.
Skrreea race wasn't mentioned. I think that was an oversight. The Sanctuary episode was important about how the Federation treats refugees. It was a shame this was one shot and no follow up and what happened to them.