Am I the first to notice that Picard being assign to the Leondegrance is an Easter Egg? One of Patrick Stewart's early roles was as Leondegrance in Excalibur.
AND HOW MANY TIMES DID I SEE THE MOVIE E X C A L I B U R!!!! TO NOT NOTICE UNTIL ANOTHERS NOTICED COMMENT OF EASTER EGG NAME! ( 1981 was a long time ago ( ugh)(HELEN MIRREN WAS YOUNG(still a good looking lady) But if I had recently viewed it -EXCALIBUR maybe I TOOK WOULDVE NOTICED THAT TOO🖖
Nice catch! I haven't seen Excalibur since the early 80s, now it would be funny if another ship, in here of his ships served on to be the USS Gurney Halleck,.. or something like that.
The biography of Jean luc Picard (book) it’s a fictional autobiographically book written by Picard it has a lot more n first contact with Canadians and the border wars
Obviously Starfleet encountered the Cardassians during this "LOST-ERA" of Star Trek. And the Ferengi I guess just before the launch of the Enterprise-D.
Also keep this in mind, with the Terran Emperror travelling to this time period from a "POSSIBLE" future, this could cause some serious timeline changes... The Terran Emperror appeared to be "AWARE" of civilizations in the 'MIRROR" universe that the Prime Timeline had not yet encountered..
I love apparent lack of large windows on Excelsior, unlike Ambassador or Galaxy later on, especially on saucer section. Makes more sense and speaks about her purpose as an exploration/battle ship, not luxury yacht.
Agreed, its something I don't like about the current design. It was suppose to be based off a sub, tight quarters, limited space, crew having to stack in bunks like sailors on an old ship. Kirks quarters from TOS would be considered a utility closet compared to Pikes.
The Cardassian border wars is what I like to see. The contrast between a Federation that wants "peace in our time" and only half-heartedly fights war for ultimately expandable border colonies and the Cardassians Union desperater to make a strong enough showing to deter further Federation expansion into their few productive sectors while being out-classed in every way. It would be interesting to see the politics play out between those in Starfleet that want to put the upstarts in their place (looking at you, Nachayev), those that are asking why even bother to fight for fringe colonies (because people will sure comply, when being told to leave their new homes to the whims of foreign powers, Nakamura). And on the Cardassian side, it would be interesting to see the rise of notorious people like Dukat, Garak's father's rise to the top of the Obsidian Order or what drove the Cardassians would committ certain atrocities.
Also would make a great setting for examinations of Terrorist vs. Revolutionary and Imperialism in general. Plus, we get to see the early years of the most important person in Starfleet history, Miles O'Brien.
The TMP Era and "Lost Era" are among my favorite times in Trek. Best looking ships, best looking uniforms, and uncertain times before all the powers were really "set" in thier borders etc.
Same but I guess as Sisko the Elder was on earth all that time he had more time exploring the fun sides of person-to-person interaction him being a cook and all(also very much and open, energised personality) While Pircard was to business reading books and making aliens angry until they stab him lol
@@bamstarful lol, other way round. Joseph was reading cook books, watching plants grow and checking in on animal farms for ingredients as he mastered his craft. Picard was busy chasing pretty much anything in a skant that moved. lets not forget all the lady Admirals tat he used to date, and the fact he was so busy fooling around he only had middling scores at starfleet. It took getting stabbed for him to buckle down and take his career more seriously. Maybe all the adrenaline had an effect on his looks?
@@littlekong7685 O'yeah I forgot about the "Jun'Luc Booty Collective" lol mind you in terms of Stereotypes he's a energetic young Frenchman with that classic HollyWood version of an English accent so it make sense so many(including Q) fell in love with the fellow so easily. while Picard was using modern technology to keep with his not wrinkles, strong body, edged mind! But Joseph was a hands on, down to earth, work until I bleed guy that visited the doctors as often as a Ferengi visits a charity.....so both aged as you'd expect I guess
@@littlekong7685 According to the DS9 Season 2 episode "The Alternate", Joseph Sisko had a fairly long-lasting "grave illness" when Ben was younger, and as a result had to have "several" artificial organs implanted. So an illness sufficiently bad to cause multiple irrecoverable organ failures. That could have a net result of prematurely aging someone who managed to survive it. Conversely, Picard had a severe acute physical trauma followed by a replacement of his heart with an artificial organ. Severe trauma, certainly, but much more quickly resolved and occurring within an otherwise healthy body.
In my head canon, the "monster maroon" uniform was being phased out just before the Enterprise C is destroyed, as such, the crew of the ship hadn't received the new uniforms at the time of their deaths. The new uniform would stylistically look just like the modified monster maroons used by the Enterprise C crew, but now with the proper division colors of red, blue, and gold, at this time Red would become the new Command/tactical standard, swapping with Gold for Engineering/operations (as many crews had become accustomed to their commanding officers wearing red/maroon) a few other alterations might be made, such as the pants losing their low tucked appearance for a more loose fit, along with some other minor details to help bridge the gap leading toward the TNG uniform.
Didn't the hologram that Wesley saw of his father have Jack wearing a stripped-back version of the maroon uniform? He died in 2353 (according to Mem Alpha), so don't know where that puts him in the eras of uniforms.
@@poil8351 Jack Crusher (the first one not the newer one) in a recording he made for Wesley, also wore one, the only difference was it bore a TNG combadge, now I also look at it like the DS9 uniforms existing at the same time as the TNG uniforms, which we know were being slowly replaced by the time of Generations (the movie) so the Monster Maroons could potentially still be in service at the same time as my fan uniforms.
@kronosaur417 so did troi's father or adopted father in her flashback epiosde where she found out about her sister drowning. The big difference was the collar was a different style.
@@poil8351 Which (correct me if I’m wrong) is also the style used by Picard and his friends in the episode Tapestry. I think only major changes going forward were the loss of both the collar and the belts (which I would bring back for my uniforms) on the uniforms used by the Enterprises C crew and later Jack Crusher (with Jack sporting the afore mentioned TNG combadge) Edit: found this, guy has a comprehensive timeline of the uniform evolution right here. Now the way my fan uniforms would work, the one worn by Jack Crusher would fit in as a casual variant tactical uniform.th-cam.com/video/lYRuh02DeiU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cxyOzfy2zGWMbkHo
@@DocWolphI'm guessing it was a hazing ritual. Tho irl it was the movie makers assuming the audience were too stupid to understand it was him without him being bald
@@AlienIOIandroktone Now that you say "hazing ritual", it could have been the PTSD caused by his being stabbed and very nearly killed by a Nassican(sp?)
Ah yes Captain Harriman. Did you know that when Starfleet Engineering told him that the Enterprise-B had to go into spacedock for maintenance after traveling 3000 light years, he ordered his helmsman to fly the ship backwards so that the Warp Odometer would never reach 3000?
Fun fact: Captain Harriman initially objected to taking the Enterprise out before it was completed. When asked why, his response was, reportedly: 'It could get scratched. Dented. Breathed on wrong, a space-whale could crap on it, who knows!'
Enterprise B, more than any other ship we see in the series, reeks of speed and elegance. It's also the vessel that seems the most futuristic to me (with the possible exception of the Sovereign class)
The C is my favorite Enterprise... and yet I think it's the one with the most room to do a refresh on since the Ambassador class has gotten the least screen time.
The Leondegrance as one of the ships Picard served on is a fantastic reference (Patrick Stewart played King Leondegrance in John Boorman's Excalibur (1981)).
The badge communicator was also introduced as seen on the Enterprise-C. Since Section 31 pioneered the technology around a century before it was introduced I could see the new S31 project bridging the gap.
A "segue" is something that takes you from one subject to another. A "Segway" is a motorized scooter which takes you from standing on it to faceplanting on the ground.
Yeah, I laughed waaaaay too hard at that, and at the moment his mind broke realizing that Sisko's father ist younger than JL Picard. I just stumbled upon Ric's channel, and I'm already sold ^^
I always had a problem with the whole situation with the loss of Kirk. The mighty Federation only had ONE STARSHIP in the Terran system and that starship wasn’t even 100% ready for duty. Oh I am sorry the Nexus thingy wasn’t in the Terran system. But that still means that out of the whole fleet only one half assed starship was “in range?”
@@josebrown5961 There was a good theory introduced somewhere that the Enterprise B actually had working "Transwarp Drive" from the original Excelsior experiments, and that the revised warp scale from TNG actually is a reflection of that. As such it could make sense to accurately say that the Enterprise B was indeed the only ship "within range".
I'm with you on the Lost Era. I adore the classic TOS movie style ships, and uniforms. It took me ages for the Excelsior-class (refit) to grow on me. I love it now. I love the Stargazer. I love the Miranda. I love the Constitution refit. I'd love to see more of the Gallileo type shuttle from Star Trek V and VI. ( I beleive its the type 4? I know the TNG era shuttle is a type 6) Either, kind of stoked for Section 31 show, now. Let the Lost Era be found!
I would love for this period to be explored more in future series. Something I would also like to see is that the period between Enterprise and TOS was also explored
In contrast to Enterprise Starfleet Museum covered this period with their ship classes, though I believe some fall quick, I do believe some designs stand up for themselves
I’d love to see an anthology series set in The Lost Era, which highlights some of the important people and events which took place during that time period.
@@charlestaylor253 Probably something relating to the fact that the Daedalus lore has always been a mess, as of not clarified, and the only thing canon thing we know of about it is that it existed
Sisko had a Daedalus class starship model in his office in at least one episode of DS9. And it was definitely mentioned in TNG. Also Starfleet did a retro design based on it for their Olympic class medical ships like the Pasteur in "All Good Things." So it needs to be addressed and fleshed out a bit more in canon, in my opinion.
Always found it odd that the Excelsior class got a refit but the Ambassador was quickly ditched in favor of the Galaxy class. You even see more Excelsior's than Ambassador's in the shows too. Poor thing never got the love being sandwiched between two rockstars.
don’t look at the 100 years before that or you’ll see the exact same thing with uniforms. and two changes in the 15 years: old green with white shit to blues with white shirt then blues to WWII/Korea era green with khaki uniform.
The Monster Maroon had several evolutions during its tenure. They ended up being just the Jacket, Trousers and boots, with the TNG era Combadge, around the time Wesley Crusher was born (TNG Ep. "Family"). At the time of Jack Crusher's Death, they had changed to the Uniform of the First Season of TNG. But the Enterprise-C era had the uniform and the large Starfleet badge was a Combadge, but it was also the same as the Jack Crusher Uniform from "Family". Apparently there was a version with a crew neck shirt worn under the Monster Maroon jacket. At some point they got rid of the belt.
I keep talking about a Lost Era Anthology Show Star Trek: The Lost Era An animated anthology that jumps around from Ship to ship telling some of the untold stories. Maybe some that have been hinted at. Did the Excelsior survey those gaseous Bodies? Did the B get those Torpedos on Tuesday? The Battle of Narendra III featuring Tasha Yar and the C? Young Picard becomes captain of the Stargazer? Take it a step further where was the E during the Dominion War? I think its an excellent way to cover the lost era a little and give us some fan service. With more stories from some of our favorite characters.
This is literally a topic I have been thinking about for the last couple of days. Interesting that you should put out a video on it right now :) Great video, as so many times :)
When I joined the US Navy we were still in dungarees, a WWI working uniform since phased out in about 2004. The enlisted dress uniforms are virtually unchanged from over 100 years ago although not continuous, there were some failed attempts at unifying all ranks under a suit and tie design in the '70s, but returned to traditional dress in the '80s.
Tradition is hard to beat, being so familiar and comforting when so much else is changing so fast. I'm still partial to the dungaree uniform I wore for 12 years. The blue camo uniform never set right with me. Of course now, those who have worn it for the last twenty years or so might say the same thing when the uniform changes again.
For some fun 'Lost Era' adventures, I'd recommend checking out 'Starship Tempest'. It's a fan-show that takes place during that timeframe with the Enterprise-C's sister ship.
Ever since the Generations movie came out, I have said that the Star Trek producers missed a golden opportunity to tell the story, on screen, of Captain Harriman and the Enterprise-B. It would have been interesting to see Harriman dealing with the trauma of "losing" Kirk and trying to live up to brief, but poignant, lessons that Kirk taught him that day (particularly about needing to take risks if you're going to sit in the Captain's chair). Opportunities lost.
They could keep the Officer uniforms, although changing up the trim to be more square or less "fluffy" feeling. Especially the trousers. The crewman uniforms could be changed to "Enterprise"-style jumpsuits but in the TOS movie colors. But I would REALLY LOVE to see the engineering/rad suits return.
that’s exactly what they did on TNG with the uniform Jack Crusher had, the turtleneck was replaced with a regular division colored undershirt while also lessening the trim but still retaining it
@@bostonrailfan2427 Nope. Just look it up. All they did was remove the turtle neck, the belt and change the badge. Makes him look like a junior officer more than really updating the uniform, despite that being TNG's intent. They could have at least gave him a color so it does not look like he is wearing only the jacket.
@@DocWolph it’s in the freaking start of the video: turtleneck is gone in favor of thinner nicked undershirt, insignia is replaced with com-badge. the black piping is also less prominent
@@bostonrailfan2427 You are trying too hard to be right and grasping at straws. The Collar is completely gone. Again just look it up and stop being so blind. Compare Jack Crusher's uniform, or those worn in "Yesterday's Enterprise", to those worn in Starr Trek 2-6. New Uniforms are the same except... No Collar No Belt Changed Starfleet Badge They did not have the exact same materials when making the new uniforms (No, they are Not going to try to buy back all the uniform that were sold or gifted to the cast after the movies were made), this is the ONLY reason for such a minor detail as "thinner piping" (your strawman). Stop arguing blind. You are ONLINE use it for more than "keyboard warrior'ing".
I'd love to see a video on Star Trek's other "Lost Era," which is to say the ~90 year period between the Federation's founding and ST: Strange New Worlds. Also, ST: Enterprise didn't exactly do a bang up job with exploring the era between Cochrane's first Warp Flight and the Fed's founding having spent 3 out of 4 seasons messing with "Temporal Cold War" nonsense. So that could be considered a "Hazy Era" as well...
I would love to see a series taking place in "The Lost Era" time period, as long as it is faithful to the ship designs and uniforms established for that era by the TOS movies and TNG.
There's a lot of potential and frankly, a ton of potential fan service to be had in a series from that era. Seeing younger versions of the TNG and DS9 crew could be awesome
we know a certain ensign was indirectly involved with Section 31’s experiments in that era…we know there’s likely a young blind boy who wants to be an engineer, we know there’s a few folks who were severely impacted by the war of that era especially an Irish engineer
It would be wonderful if we could get an appearance by Alan Ruck and/or Jacqueline Kim (Demora Sulu) in Section 31. The actors' ages would probably line up as well.
You forgot the Federation-Cardassian Wars 2347 into the 2350s with a few small skirmishes into the early 60s right before the start of TNG. Picard being older than Joe Sisko blows my mind. If he was born in 2309 that would make him only 66 at the end of DS9. He didn't age well at all considering people today are in better shape at 66. I always had it in my mind he was in his 80s given medical advancements and better nutrition(maybe I would avoid eating at his restaurant he may not have been joking when he said it's been months since he poisoned anyone lol)
Didn't know that Section 31 show is supposedly set in that era. Of course it won't even matter because I'm sure visually it will not fit in that era at all. With Discovery claiming to be a mere decade before TOS and looking far more advanced than anything we ever saw in the TNG era I'm sure they'll just double down on the Lost Era being even MORE advanced. Love how they just tossed all the consistent world building we got from TOS to Enterprise right out the airlock and then call the fans stupid for pointing it out.
I’d use the movie uniforms in the Enterprise-C era, but change the maroon service jackets to department color, and the turtleneck underneath to black. That alludes to the TNG color scheme, while adhering to what we saw in “Yesterday’s Enterprise”. The only officers we saw in that episode were the captain and the helmsman; two characters that would be wearing red dept colors in any case. The turtlenecks could be interchangeable with the crew neck undershirts we saw in the 2320-2330s, as a nod to that variant, as well.
Brilliant, just brilliant! Love to see more of the Constellation and of course the return of the Monster Maroons, I believe it was changed a litl bit by just removing the polo necks, but wanna see the lot again...
I hope all this is true and would love to see content from the "Lost Era". My recommendation is to set it 30 or so years after The Undiscovered Country. Then guest-starring original cast members would be feasible. Admiral Sulu, Admiral Chekov... I also would like to see Harriman return. The Fan Film Of Gods and Men did a good job evolving his character.
I'd adore a full-on TV show set during this time. Moments like Flashback in Voyager gave us just a taste, but I'd say it was a good test case for how it could work 😊
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done and very informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Lost Era of Startrek on the Enterprise-B & C, A job very wonderfully well done indeed Sir!👌.
Re: Picard being older than Joseph Sisko: According to info from the DS9 episode "The Alternate" (Season 2, Episode 12), Joseph Sisko suffered a grave illness when Ben was young, and as a result has "several" artificial organs. That could definitely explain him looking older than Picard. That sort of thing can generally wear on a person and result in them looking less hale and hearty than their chronological age would otherwise suggest.
Ambassador is just my favourite Star Fleet ship it just looks so cool to me and like a true missing link between Original & Next Gen ships(even more so in Alternative universe)
I agree, I absolutely love the excelsior class and the uniforms, both are my favourite too... but this is new trek. Unless someone like Terry Matalas is on board to keep it canonical, they'll stuff it up.
Well the TOS movie ship models do not realy need any changes. I think they are mostly fine as is. If any changes are made, maybe adding the glowing blue parts to some of the warp nacells. Other than that there is defenetly no need for any changes. Where the TOS Enterprise model was indeed a bit aged the movie ones are defenetly still fine! I once saw a video about the Ambassador class and another shipclass (I do not recall its name) that was a middelthing between the Ambassador and the Galaxy and was the original concept art for the Enterprise-C. I'd love to see that ship as well. If we ever get something in that era. And despite me seeing that for so many years having the same uniform seems kind of strange, I'd still love to have those uniforms! The TOS movie uniforms are so iconic!
Wow! That has sooooo made me want to see back to back Enterprise TV series set in these eras. There's so much scope for character growth & seeing the reality of these events. Let's just hope that the Section 31 film peaks everyone's interest! It would be so much better than sterile Discois.
10:20 completely agree. Don't mess with the Excelsior. Can they really mess with it too much though? Many have been seen in DS9 and TNG. So how much could they really change considering they already have a lot of lore behind them.
I hope they do that uniform and not the next step that dropped the collar and thinned out the material as a precursor for the TNG uniform. I ran a game during this era where the Polaris (a constellation-class) had a mission profile of Crisis & Emergency Response in the Sierra Sector. They would response to colonies that we in transition to the Federation from the Romulans, Romulan infiltration, the retreat of the Empire in general (one of the other ttrpg books talked about something internal happening on the far borders of their space). They also were seeing a slow take over of the Romulan government by the Tal Shiar. One of the players was an augment, created by the Orions & ruddy, who was working for Section 31 to create a virus that would piggy back on phaser beams (mimicing the Viral Matrix ability, as well as creating a back door into the ship when it would 'somehow get away'.) Good times.
I am cautiously optimistic about the Section 31 show now... I still hate Discovery, but Strange New Worlds they knocked out of the park. Would love to see this era on screen, keeping as much of the film era visual style as possible. Excelsior design is perfection, update the textures for modern television and that is it! I am a huge fan of the Cardassians and would absolutely love to see them return to the screen! Also watching their civilization become more nationalistic/militarized would be interesting and reflective of some of the things that are happening in our own world.
I already know complainers are gonna complain about the almost certain uniform changes that will happen. Would be pretty cool if they used the original uniforms though
Awesome video as always. As much as I agree with you that since the Section 31 movie is from the Lost Era NOTHING should be changed from the established time period pre Discovery as far as looks for what we already know. However knowing the producers it’ll probably be a mix Disco and SNW.
Rick, if you ever truly look at Doug Grexler's Enterprise-B MSD, you'll find that the ridiculously oversized Engines, which were useless, were supposed to be the Saucer Section Shuttle Bays.
This is one of the more interesting time periods, in my opinion. I always liked the 2290s and later, but never quite took to the TNG stuff as readily. So when I'm running a Star Trek game, I usually set it in the late 90s early 2300s. So this was some great info!
I don't find it at all unrealistic for Starfleet to keep the same uniform for 75 years. In real life the United States Navy, the British Royal Navy, among many others have been using essentially the same "Service Dress" uniforms for the past 100 plus years (although they are no longer the duty dress uniform). The very dark blue ("Navy Blue") pants and double breasted tunic jacket with brass buttons and rank insignia on the jacket cuffs with the visored cap (cover) with its white crown; so Starfleet keeping the "Monster Maroons" for about 75 years? No problem. They did remove the turtleneck shirt unfortunately.😊
I never got the whole "make star trek look modern we got to update everything" aspect of the new shows, star trek is still set years in the future and the art style makes it stand out, what they did was make the new shows look like Mass effect with the newer art style when it came to the interiors.
I don't want the Lost Era to be touched at all, because NuTrek's complete lack of Giving a Shit has convinced me there should NEVER be prequels in _Trek_ again. Ever.
That was an excellent video! Thank you. I read the book The Sundered. It was good, and the premise was very intriguing. Sulu captained the Excelsior for the 23rd Century sections. Chekov, Rand, and other crewmembers from Sulu's command were in the story. There are a couple of episodes set in the past featuring encounters with Romulans and Nausicaans. And the Tholians are involved in a big way.
I want to know how the Klingon Empire recovered from the destruction of Praxis. The whole premise behind the 6th movie was that the Klingon Empire was basically dying and the old guard had to adapt to it in order for it to survive. I would assume a lot of those events would happen during the lost era
It would be nice to see them follow the basic outlines of ships inside and out, and those excellent uniforms (I love the maroon, most, too!) but let's face it, if they can't be bothered making anything look close to the originals with Discovery/Strange new worlds, when DS9 could do it so perfectly (I even remember them saying the shiny sections in the hallways on the TOS Enterprise were hard to recreate?) the best we'll get is the variant of the Maroon uniform you showed here and hopefully the STO variants of the ships of that time. I'm glad most of this is an alternate timeline! Also randomly now I want to know what the Enterprise D looks like in the Kelvin timeline, too! XD Love watching your videos, can't wait for the next one, thank you!
I don't know...uniforms starting relatively unchanged for 50 year or so period might actually work in lore. During that time, starfleet seemed to go through a bit of stagnation. Maybe that's not the best word for it but in terms of ship design and some of their tech, they didn't improve much. By the time if TNG, you still see ships and classes that were pushing a century of use. There were other, new classes but never in the numbers of the Miranda and Excelsior. With the romulans in isolation and peace with the Klingons, I guess there wasn't any real motivation to advance too quickly. It wasn't until the romulan returned and the borg showed up that things really started advancing quickly.
If we use the date of the Excelsior's decommissioning 2320 that is only a year off from the real world gap between Sulu's appearance in VI so it's easy to have him in it and we know they live longer so I wouldn't mind if they bring him back.
the whole universe doesn't need to exist. mystery is fine, and we can expand infinitely outward. Give me a show about civilians. a sitcom about the Riker's neighbors would be a bad example of this. but I'd take it.
eh i'd love to see what actually happened to the enterprises B and C, preferably a extended look at their lines. and maybe a bit of a look at the culture of the federation during the lost era. what was notable, what was trendy, what got the people pissed, what made the people laugh, and maybe a few romantic scenes too. just stuff i'd like to see, that probably will never be answered, but star trek just follows what starfleet does for the most part, and i'd like to see whats going on when its the average joe. maybe a 5 season 24 episode per season of a average joe in the federation, first season being in 2100 to 2170, season 2 being set in 2170 to 2270, the third season going from 2270 to 2350, the fourth going from 2350 to 2420 and the fifth going from 2420 to 2500. maybe its just me that thinks this, but seeing what the federation citizens had, what technologies they had, the culture, and laws, what was going on during the wars, what people saw, what media coverage was like, what computers looked like in the homes of everyday citizens.. god man, the possibilities of such a series is endless and honestly, it would be a nice change of pace from the heroism of starfleet captains with slick tongues, book smarts, and the occasional nod to TOS era. just gotta apply some good writing to make it good. hell you can even suggest that polyamory is a thing, and maybe the 2nd season shows 5 people in a polyamorous relationship living together, having fun, drinking tea, making shit, maybe even baby making and raising a family. maybe one of them can be a kinky sort, and another one can be a slient bookworm? maybe one is a innovator, who loves to tinker but sometimes catches the apartment on fire and glorious chaos ensues!
There could be something like 10 seasons covering this Lost Era, using the template of Star Trek shows from the middle 1990s to early 2000s (Voyager, Deep Space 9, and Enterprise), and involve events up to the beginning of the Federation-Cardassian War. If this new series is made like non-canon Discovery has been made into, it will be another failure.
@@dustinjoosen5901 If you like the show, that's fine with me. It's all personal choice in what we want to watch. For me, however, Discovery and its characters were clearly conceived based on a little known, low-grade computer video game that included the 'special tardigrade' for space travel. Most of these Discovery episodes are light shows and random flashes with lens flare and Klingons that initially looked like silly space pirates. 'Shoot'em in the neck to deal with Klingon aggression because some Vulcan told me so' was great inspiration - to not watch the show. Going back to my other point - there were too many similarities between that Tardigrade computer video game and the show's first two seasons to be purely coincidental. Eventually, of course, that special tardigrade had to be 'set free' because of 'reasons.' If people read the most recent reviews of Discovery from IMDb, I'm not the only one who knows that Discovery is not Star Trek. It's lazy writing, it's a lack of character development, it's has very poor ties to other series, and so forth. In my opinion, Discovery is more akin to those Jar Jar Abrams' Kelvin-timeline low IQ space fantasy entertainment movies for those who enjoy simplistic visual effects and nothing else.
@@luckybadgerapples Discovery is like you explained completely un-original, it's a stolen story that got slapped with a Star Trek label to try to bring in the established fan base, as a free standing show it wasn't horrible (well the first few seasons before I gave up on it when they went to a dystopian future where they made that failed georgia politician Stacey Abrams the President of the World or Federation or whatever, I had stopped watching before that) but it was never Star Trek.
@luckybadgerapples Look, I don’t like Disco either, but it’s still canon. Poorly-made & poorly-written canon, but canon nonetheless. It’s canon I’ll quietly ignore, but still canon.
@dustinjoosen5901 STD is not canon. Nothing after Enterprise can be considered canon. Maybe it’s this “prime universe” invented by JJ Abrams/secret hideout but it cannot be canon. Licensing alone makes that a fact. Their constant bad retcons of everything already known in trek reinforces it. It’s just not canon. Ever since the original movies and shows were legally split and the new producers added their all new 25% different, the die has been cast and we will not get any new canon. And honestly, as bad as these shows are, I’m perfectly fine with that.
There have been some fan recolors of the Magnificent Maroon uniform into the traditional three department colors, and honestly I think they look great.
I was watching this video with the "closed caption" function on. When they talked about the "The Cardassian Border", the automated computer captioning called it "The Kardashian Border"....I fell out laughing... I believe that border is located somewhere near the CURVES of KIM.....Too Funny!!!
I never realized that it's legitimately absurd that Picard wasn't familiar with the captain of the Enterprise-C. He had also been a captain for over a decade when the C disappeared and, well, the Enterprise is the Enterprise. And Picard is absolutely the sort of person who, even if he'd somehow not known her name or reputation prior to taking command of the D, would've looked it up.
Am I the first to notice that Picard being assign to the Leondegrance is an Easter Egg? One of Patrick Stewart's early roles was as Leondegrance in Excalibur.
You beat me to it, but I mentioned something. That's one of my favorite movies. Amazing how many up and coming stars played in it.
I noticed that too!
AND HOW MANY TIMES DID I SEE THE MOVIE
E X C A L I B U R!!!!
TO NOT NOTICE UNTIL ANOTHERS NOTICED COMMENT OF EASTER EGG NAME! ( 1981 was a long time ago ( ugh)(HELEN MIRREN WAS YOUNG(still a good looking lady)
But if I had recently viewed it -EXCALIBUR maybe I TOOK WOULDVE NOTICED THAT TOO🖖
Nice catch! I haven't seen Excalibur since the early 80s, now it would be funny if another ship, in here of his ships served on to be the USS Gurney Halleck,.. or something like that.
it was definitely an easter egg, especially given how they wrote a lot of those things into Picard…hell, the whole class is a play on the role!
I really want to see more of the early interactions with the Cardassians and the thoughts that Starfleet had on not interfering with Bajor.
Me too. They've been teasing a major, if perhaps somewhat one-sided, Federation-Cardassian war for 30+ years now.
The biography of Jean luc Picard (book) it’s a fictional autobiographically book written by Picard it has a lot more n first contact with Canadians and the border wars
Obviously Starfleet encountered the Cardassians during this "LOST-ERA" of Star Trek. And the Ferengi I guess just before the launch of the Enterprise-D.
Also keep this in mind, with the Terran Emperror travelling to this time period from a "POSSIBLE" future, this could cause some serious timeline changes... The Terran Emperror appeared to be "AWARE" of civilizations in the 'MIRROR" universe that the Prime Timeline had not yet encountered..
Could theTerranEmpire have been aware of the "BORG" in the "MIRROR" universe?
I love apparent lack of large windows on Excelsior, unlike Ambassador or Galaxy later on, especially on saucer section. Makes more sense and speaks about her purpose as an exploration/battle ship, not luxury yacht.
Probably also an advance in material science and construction technology. Force field technologies becoming more advanced and normal.
Agreed, its something I don't like about the current design. It was suppose to be based off a sub, tight quarters, limited space, crew having to stack in bunks like sailors on an old ship. Kirks quarters from TOS would be considered a utility closet compared to Pikes.
Not that it'd make much difference when a torpedo smashes through the hull
Not exploratory battleship. Just battleship. The lack of windows indicates a true military vessel
The Cardassian border wars is what I like to see.
The contrast between a Federation that wants "peace in our time" and only half-heartedly fights war for ultimately expandable border colonies and
the Cardassians Union desperater to make a strong enough showing to deter further Federation expansion into their few productive sectors while being out-classed in every way.
It would be interesting to see the politics play out between those in Starfleet that want to put the upstarts in their place (looking at you, Nachayev),
those that are asking why even bother to fight for fringe colonies (because people will sure comply, when being told to leave their new homes to the whims of foreign powers, Nakamura).
And on the Cardassian side, it would be interesting to see the rise of notorious people like Dukat, Garak's father's rise to the top of the Obsidian Order or what drove the Cardassians would committ certain atrocities.
Also would make a great setting for examinations of Terrorist vs. Revolutionary and Imperialism in general. Plus, we get to see the early years of the most important person in Starfleet history, Miles O'Brien.
Darned Cardies
The TMP Era and "Lost Era" are among my favorite times in Trek. Best looking ships, best looking uniforms, and uncertain times before all the powers were really "set" in thier borders etc.
agreed
Best looking uniform until they ruined it by doing away with the turtleneck sweater's collar.
Best looking uniform until they ruined it by doing away with the turtleneck sweater's collar.
@commandingjudgedredd1841 💯 without the turtleneck they look a bit silly. And why? Did that save a few bucks?
@@KnowYoutheDukeofArgyll1841 Yeah, I'd be happy for that to be retconned
That realization about Joseph Sisko and Jean-Luc Picard and their respective ages? Got a great laugh out of me.
Same but I guess as Sisko the Elder was on earth all that time he had more time exploring the fun sides of person-to-person interaction him being a cook and all(also very much and open, energised personality) While Pircard was to business reading books and making aliens angry until they stab him lol
@@bamstarful lol, other way round. Joseph was reading cook books, watching plants grow and checking in on animal farms for ingredients as he mastered his craft. Picard was busy chasing pretty much anything in a skant that moved. lets not forget all the lady Admirals tat he used to date, and the fact he was so busy fooling around he only had middling scores at starfleet. It took getting stabbed for him to buckle down and take his career more seriously. Maybe all the adrenaline had an effect on his looks?
@@littlekong7685also stress and PTSD from losing his heart, jack crusher and the star gazer
@@littlekong7685 O'yeah I forgot about the "Jun'Luc Booty Collective" lol mind you in terms of Stereotypes he's a energetic young Frenchman with that classic HollyWood version of an English accent so it make sense so many(including Q) fell in love with the fellow so easily. while Picard was using modern technology to keep with his not wrinkles, strong body, edged mind! But Joseph was a hands on, down to earth, work until I bleed guy that visited the doctors as often as a Ferengi visits a charity.....so both aged as you'd expect I guess
@@littlekong7685 According to the DS9 Season 2 episode "The Alternate", Joseph Sisko had a fairly long-lasting "grave illness" when Ben was younger, and as a result had to have "several" artificial organs implanted. So an illness sufficiently bad to cause multiple irrecoverable organ failures. That could have a net result of prematurely aging someone who managed to survive it. Conversely, Picard had a severe acute physical trauma followed by a replacement of his heart with an artificial organ. Severe trauma, certainly, but much more quickly resolved and occurring within an otherwise healthy body.
The C is one of my favorites ship designs. It's such a great looking ship.
Agreed, it's my favourite!
Hear me out…..The C, but with the same pylons of The A, in the Kelvin Timeline
Me too.
I agree that the design of the Movie/Lost era are elegant and I really also hope they keep the Marvelous Maroon uniform
There is no way, they want to re-design the entire Star Trek history and therefore I do not regard it as the same timeline.
The designs of that era are essentially timeless.
In my head canon, the "monster maroon" uniform was being phased out just before the Enterprise C is destroyed, as such, the crew of the ship hadn't received the new uniforms at the time of their deaths. The new uniform would stylistically look just like the modified monster maroons used by the Enterprise C crew, but now with the proper division colors of red, blue, and gold, at this time Red would become the new Command/tactical standard, swapping with Gold for Engineering/operations (as many crews had become accustomed to their commanding officers wearing red/maroon) a few other alterations might be made, such as the pants losing their low tucked appearance for a more loose fit, along with some other minor details to help bridge the gap leading toward the TNG uniform.
Didn't the hologram that Wesley saw of his father have Jack wearing a stripped-back version of the maroon uniform?
He died in 2353 (according to Mem Alpha), so don't know where that puts him in the eras of uniforms.
We know that picard wore the monster maroons when in command of the stargazer at least until sometime before the battle of maxia.
@@poil8351 Jack Crusher (the first one not the newer one) in a recording he made for Wesley, also wore one, the only difference was it bore a TNG combadge, now I also look at it like the DS9 uniforms existing at the same time as the TNG uniforms, which we know were being slowly replaced by the time of Generations (the movie) so the Monster Maroons could potentially still be in service at the same time as my fan uniforms.
@kronosaur417 so did troi's father or adopted father in her flashback epiosde where she found out about her sister drowning. The big difference was the collar was a different style.
@@poil8351 Which (correct me if I’m wrong) is also the style used by Picard and his friends in the episode Tapestry. I think only major changes going forward were the loss of both the collar and the belts (which I would bring back for my uniforms) on the uniforms used by the Enterprises C crew and later Jack Crusher (with Jack sporting the afore mentioned TNG combadge)
Edit: found this, guy has a comprehensive timeline of the uniform evolution right here. Now the way my fan uniforms would work, the one worn by Jack Crusher would fit in as a casual variant tactical uniform.th-cam.com/video/lYRuh02DeiU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cxyOzfy2zGWMbkHo
5:30 lmao that freaking Nemisis picture of young and BALD Picard
Especially, since his male pattern baldness did not kick in [until] AFTER he got his first command. Think it might have been more stress related?
IKR? Real Young Picard had hair. That's why Boothy asked about it.
@@DocWolphI'm guessing it was a hazing ritual. Tho irl it was the movie makers assuming the audience were too stupid to understand it was him without him being bald
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Now that you say "hazing ritual", it could have been the PTSD caused by his being stabbed and very nearly killed by a Nassican(sp?)
@DocWolph he was a Ensign by then and had just graduated.
Ah yes Captain Harriman. Did you know that when Starfleet Engineering told him that the Enterprise-B had to go into spacedock for maintenance after traveling 3000 light years, he ordered his helmsman to fly the ship backwards so that the Warp Odometer would never reach 3000?
Yeah, but the B's main computer automatically accessed a Federation Time Beacon and reset the ship's chronometers ahead to next Tuesday.😏
"Harriman! The light-year numbers aren't coming off."
He was fine- He wanted the heat from his Admiral father.
Fun fact: Captain Harriman initially objected to taking the Enterprise out before it was completed. When asked why, his response was, reportedly: 'It could get scratched. Dented. Breathed on wrong, a space-whale could crap on it, who knows!'
You're still here? It's over, go home!
Well, for me, I hope to see Lost Era Klingon and Romulan Ship classes and this era version of Romulan Bird of Prey.
For me, as an Industrial Designer, aesthetically the Excelsior/Enterprise B was the best looking of all Enterprises. The C was the most sedate looking
I think the C looks like if you asked for a "default Starfleet ship".
Enterprise B, more than any other ship we see in the series, reeks of speed and elegance. It's also the vessel that seems the most futuristic to me (with the possible exception of the Sovereign class)
Same here in regards to the Excelsior class. Not only is it one of my favourite ship classes, the Enterprise-B is hands down my favourite Enterprise.
The C is my favorite Enterprise... and yet I think it's the one with the most room to do a refresh on since the Ambassador class has gotten the least screen time.
Maybe they can finally make Andrew Probert's version of the Ambassador class canon.
The Leondegrance as one of the ships Picard served on is a fantastic reference (Patrick Stewart played King Leondegrance in John Boorman's Excalibur (1981)).
He also played King Richard the Lionhearted in the funny movie Robin Hood Prince of thieves
Love the Enterprise B
Love the Reds uniforms. Both together are very Naval era throwback and very regal yet to the point.
The badge communicator was also introduced as seen on the Enterprise-C.
Since Section 31 pioneered the technology around a century before it was introduced I could see the new S31 project bridging the gap.
“Speaking of ambassadors, this is my best segway.” Why did I laugh so hard
A "segue" is something that takes you from one subject to another. A "Segway" is a motorized scooter which takes you from standing on it to faceplanting on the ground.
You were drunk? 😎
Yeah, I laughed waaaaay too hard at that, and at the moment his mind broke realizing that Sisko's father ist younger than JL Picard.
I just stumbled upon Ric's channel, and I'm already sold ^^
I think Capt. Harriman destroyed the Enterprise B by letting it roll out of an elevated garage to spite his domineering father.
I always had a problem with the whole situation with the loss of Kirk. The mighty Federation only had ONE STARSHIP in the Terran system and that starship wasn’t even 100% ready for duty.
Oh I am sorry the Nexus thingy wasn’t in the Terran system. But that still means that out of the whole fleet only one half assed starship was “in range?”
After he kicked the crap out of the fore section of the saucer
They tried hailing him, but he was all like "He'll keep calling me... He'll keep calling me, until I come over..."
@@josebrown5961 There was a good theory introduced somewhere that the Enterprise B actually had working "Transwarp Drive" from the original Excelsior experiments, and that the revised warp scale from TNG actually is a reflection of that.
As such it could make sense to accurately say that the Enterprise B was indeed the only ship "within range".
I think the Cardassians took the B
I'm with you on the Lost Era. I adore the classic TOS movie style ships, and uniforms. It took me ages for the Excelsior-class (refit) to grow on me. I love it now. I love the Stargazer. I love the Miranda. I love the Constitution refit.
I'd love to see more of the Gallileo type shuttle from Star Trek V and VI. ( I beleive its the type 4? I know the TNG era shuttle is a type 6)
Either, kind of stoked for Section 31 show, now. Let the Lost Era be found!
I would love for this period to be explored more in future series.
Something I would also like to see is that the period between Enterprise and TOS was also explored
In contrast to Enterprise Starfleet Museum covered this period with their ship classes, though I believe some fall quick, I do believe some designs stand up for themselves
I’d love to see an anthology series set in The Lost Era, which highlights some of the important people and events which took place during that time period.
Why oh why wasn't there a frickin' Daedalus class on exhibit at the Starfleet Museum station in ST:Picard...
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@@charlestaylor253 Probably something relating to the fact that the Daedalus lore has always been a mess, as of not clarified, and the only thing canon thing we know of about it is that it existed
Sisko had a Daedalus class starship model in his office in at least one episode of DS9. And it was definitely mentioned in TNG. Also Starfleet did a retro design based on it for their Olympic class medical ships like the Pasteur in "All Good Things." So it needs to be addressed and fleshed out a bit more in canon, in my opinion.
Always found it odd that the Excelsior class got a refit but the Ambassador was quickly ditched in favor of the Galaxy class. You even see more Excelsior's than Ambassador's in the shows too. Poor thing never got the love being sandwiched between two rockstars.
The most heartbreaking part was when Captain Harriman, devastated by the guilt of losing Kirk, became catatonic and fell into the pool.
Starfleet: one uniform in 70 years
US Army: changed both field and dress uniforms 3 times in 15 years
Also Starfleet: 4 uniforms in 10 years...
don’t look at the 100 years before that or you’ll see the exact same thing with uniforms. and two changes in the 15 years: old green with white shit to blues with white shirt then blues to WWII/Korea era green with khaki uniform.
@@docsavage8640 it gets worse: six uniforms in 20 years, eight in 30
Awesome video for a Friday after a long nerdy week of data work. Thanks I needed this
The Monster Maroon had several evolutions during its tenure. They ended up being just the Jacket, Trousers and boots, with the TNG era Combadge, around the time Wesley Crusher was born (TNG Ep. "Family"). At the time of Jack Crusher's Death, they had changed to the Uniform of the First Season of TNG. But the Enterprise-C era had the uniform and the large Starfleet badge was a Combadge, but it was also the same as the Jack Crusher Uniform from "Family". Apparently there was a version with a crew neck shirt worn under the Monster Maroon jacket. At some point they got rid of the belt.
I keep talking about a Lost Era Anthology Show
Star Trek: The Lost Era
An animated anthology that jumps around from Ship to ship telling some of the untold stories. Maybe some that have been hinted at.
Did the Excelsior survey those gaseous Bodies?
Did the B get those Torpedos on Tuesday?
The Battle of Narendra III featuring Tasha Yar and the C?
Young Picard becomes captain of the Stargazer?
Take it a step further where was the E during the Dominion War?
I think its an excellent way to cover the lost era a little and give us some fan service. With more stories from some of our favorite characters.
This is literally a topic I have been thinking about for the last couple of days. Interesting that you should put out a video on it right now :)
Great video, as so many times :)
When I joined the US Navy we were still in dungarees, a WWI working uniform since phased out in about 2004. The enlisted dress uniforms are virtually unchanged from over 100 years ago although not continuous, there were some failed attempts at unifying all ranks under a suit and tie design in the '70s, but returned to traditional dress in the '80s.
Tradition is hard to beat, being so familiar and comforting when so much else is changing so fast. I'm still partial to the dungaree uniform I wore for 12 years. The blue camo uniform never set right with me. Of course now, those who have worn it for the last twenty years or so might say the same thing when the uniform changes again.
For some fun 'Lost Era' adventures, I'd recommend checking out 'Starship Tempest'. It's a fan-show that takes place during that timeframe with the Enterprise-C's sister ship.
Neat. I'll check that out.
Ever since the Generations movie came out, I have said that the Star Trek producers missed a golden opportunity to tell the story, on screen, of Captain Harriman and the Enterprise-B. It would have been interesting to see Harriman dealing with the trauma of "losing" Kirk and trying to live up to brief, but poignant, lessons that Kirk taught him that day (particularly about needing to take risks if you're going to sit in the Captain's chair). Opportunities lost.
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They could keep the Officer uniforms, although changing up the trim to be more square or less "fluffy" feeling. Especially the trousers. The crewman uniforms could be changed to "Enterprise"-style jumpsuits but in the TOS movie colors. But I would REALLY LOVE to see the engineering/rad suits return.
that’s exactly what they did on TNG with the uniform Jack Crusher had, the turtleneck was replaced with a regular division colored undershirt while also lessening the trim but still retaining it
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Nope. Just look it up. All they did was remove the turtle neck, the belt and change the badge. Makes him look like a junior officer more than really updating the uniform, despite that being TNG's intent. They could have at least gave him a color so it does not look like he is wearing only the jacket.
@@DocWolph it’s in the freaking start of the video: turtleneck is gone in favor of thinner nicked undershirt, insignia is replaced with com-badge. the black piping is also less prominent
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You are trying too hard to be right and grasping at straws. The Collar is completely gone. Again just look it up and stop being so blind. Compare Jack Crusher's uniform, or those worn in "Yesterday's Enterprise", to those worn in Starr Trek 2-6.
New Uniforms are the same except...
No Collar
No Belt
Changed Starfleet Badge
They did not have the exact same materials when making the new uniforms (No, they are Not going to try to buy back all the uniform that were sold or gifted to the cast after the movies were made), this is the ONLY reason for such a minor detail as "thinner piping" (your strawman).
Stop arguing blind. You are ONLINE use it for more than "keyboard warrior'ing".
And the show should have been on the air 20 years ago
Anyone else want a series following Harriman and the Enterprise B?
I'd love to see a video on Star Trek's other "Lost Era," which is to say the ~90 year period between the Federation's founding and ST: Strange New Worlds. Also, ST: Enterprise didn't exactly do a bang up job with exploring the era between Cochrane's first Warp Flight and the Fed's founding having spent 3 out of 4 seasons messing with "Temporal Cold War" nonsense. So that could be considered a "Hazy Era" as well...
I would love to see a series taking place in "The Lost Era" time period, as long as it is faithful to the ship designs and uniforms established for that era by the TOS movies and TNG.
There's a lot of potential and frankly, a ton of potential fan service to be had in a series from that era. Seeing younger versions of the TNG and DS9 crew could be awesome
we know a certain ensign was indirectly involved with Section 31’s experiments in that era…we know there’s likely a young blind boy who wants to be an engineer, we know there’s a few folks who were severely impacted by the war of that era especially an Irish engineer
It would be wonderful if we could get an appearance by Alan Ruck and/or Jacqueline Kim (Demora Sulu) in Section 31. The actors' ages would probably line up as well.
You forgot the Federation-Cardassian Wars 2347 into the 2350s with a few small skirmishes into the early 60s right before the start of TNG.
Picard being older than Joe Sisko blows my mind. If he was born in 2309 that would make him only 66 at the end of DS9. He didn't age well at all considering people today are in better shape at 66. I always had it in my mind he was in his 80s given medical advancements and better nutrition(maybe I would avoid eating at his restaurant he may not have been joking when he said it's been months since he poisoned anyone lol)
The uniforms and ships from this time are perfect
Agree with the ship aesthetic being the best! Beautiful ships and I do feel we have been somewhat robbed of seeing what became of the B and C
Didn't know that Section 31 show is supposedly set in that era. Of course it won't even matter because I'm sure visually it will not fit in that era at all. With Discovery claiming to be a mere decade before TOS and looking far more advanced than anything we ever saw in the TNG era I'm sure they'll just double down on the Lost Era being even MORE advanced. Love how they just tossed all the consistent world building we got from TOS to Enterprise right out the airlock and then call the fans stupid for pointing it out.
I’d use the movie uniforms in the Enterprise-C era, but change the maroon service jackets to department color, and the turtleneck underneath to black. That alludes to the TNG color scheme, while adhering to what we saw in “Yesterday’s Enterprise”. The only officers we saw in that episode were the captain and the helmsman; two characters that would be wearing red dept colors in any case.
The turtlenecks could be interchangeable with the crew neck undershirts we saw in the 2320-2330s, as a nod to that variant, as well.
Brilliant, just brilliant! Love to see more of the Constellation and of course the return of the Monster Maroons, I believe it was changed a litl bit by just removing the polo necks, but wanna see the lot again...
I am totally with you, I love the Excelsior Class the most of all!!!
Cant wait for them to redesign everything in an unfitting way
The uniform didn't change except for the fact there were about 5 different collar variations and several different arrangements with undershirts.
Both the NCC-1701-B and NCC-1701-E will remain a mystery.
I hope all this is true and would love to see content from the "Lost Era". My recommendation is to set it 30 or so years after The Undiscovered Country. Then guest-starring original cast members would be feasible. Admiral Sulu, Admiral Chekov... I also would like to see Harriman return. The Fan Film Of Gods and Men did a good job evolving his character.
I'd adore a full-on TV show set during this time. Moments like Flashback in Voyager gave us just a taste, but I'd say it was a good test case for how it could work 😊
Thanks for producing this, I loved it!
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely greatly well done and very informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Lost Era of Startrek on the Enterprise-B & C, A job very wonderfully well done indeed Sir!👌.
Re: Picard being older than Joseph Sisko: According to info from the DS9 episode "The Alternate" (Season 2, Episode 12), Joseph Sisko suffered a grave illness when Ben was young, and as a result has "several" artificial organs. That could definitely explain him looking older than Picard. That sort of thing can generally wear on a person and result in them looking less hale and hearty than their chronological age would otherwise suggest.
The red movie uniform is my favorite too. That will probably never change.
Love the alternate era pike Red uniform. Its a very nice take on the classic look
How about a big-screen movie about the loss and subsequent finding (however many years later) of Enterprise B?
Ambassador is just my favourite Star Fleet ship it just looks so cool to me and like a true missing link between Original & Next Gen ships(even more so in Alternative universe)
I agree, I absolutely love the excelsior class and the uniforms, both are my favourite too... but this is new trek. Unless someone like Terry Matalas is on board to keep it canonical, they'll stuff it up.
So we had two... TWO Enterprises in 70 years, 2293 to 2364, and FOUR in less than the 35 years from 2365-2400?!
0:40 - I dunno... The monster maroon is the nest Star Trek uniform, after all...
Well the TOS movie ship models do not realy need any changes. I think they are mostly fine as is. If any changes are made, maybe adding the glowing blue parts to some of the warp nacells. Other than that there is defenetly no need for any changes. Where the TOS Enterprise model was indeed a bit aged the movie ones are defenetly still fine!
I once saw a video about the Ambassador class and another shipclass (I do not recall its name) that was a middelthing between the Ambassador and the Galaxy and was the original concept art for the Enterprise-C. I'd love to see that ship as well. If we ever get something in that era.
And despite me seeing that for so many years having the same uniform seems kind of strange, I'd still love to have those uniforms! The TOS movie uniforms are so iconic!
Tzenkethi and at peace with the Klingon Empire? I'd love to see how Martok earned his name from the Rhinos!
Wow! That has sooooo made me want to see back to back Enterprise TV series set in these eras. There's so much scope for character growth & seeing the reality of these events. Let's just hope that the Section 31 film peaks everyone's interest! It would be so much better than sterile Discois.
10:20 completely agree. Don't mess with the Excelsior. Can they really mess with it too much though? Many have been seen in DS9 and TNG. So how much could they really change considering they already have a lot of lore behind them.
I hope they do that uniform and not the next step that dropped the collar and thinned out the material as a precursor for the TNG uniform.
I ran a game during this era where the Polaris (a constellation-class) had a mission profile of Crisis & Emergency Response in the Sierra Sector. They would response to colonies that we in transition to the Federation from the Romulans, Romulan infiltration, the retreat of the Empire in general (one of the other ttrpg books talked about something internal happening on the far borders of their space).
They also were seeing a slow take over of the Romulan government by the Tal Shiar. One of the players was an augment, created by the Orions & ruddy, who was working for Section 31 to create a virus that would piggy back on phaser beams (mimicing the Viral Matrix ability, as well as creating a back door into the ship when it would 'somehow get away'.) Good times.
I am cautiously optimistic about the Section 31 show now... I still hate Discovery, but Strange New Worlds they knocked out of the park.
Would love to see this era on screen, keeping as much of the film era visual style as possible. Excelsior design is perfection, update the textures for modern television and that is it! I am a huge fan of the Cardassians and would absolutely love to see them return to the screen! Also watching their civilization become more nationalistic/militarized would be interesting and reflective of some of the things that are happening in our own world.
I already know complainers are gonna complain about the almost certain uniform changes that will happen. Would be pretty cool if they used the original uniforms though
Awesome video as always.
As much as I agree with you that since the Section 31 movie is from the Lost Era NOTHING should be changed from the established time period pre Discovery as far as looks for what we already know.
However knowing the producers it’ll probably be a mix Disco and SNW.
Rick, if you ever truly look at Doug Grexler's Enterprise-B MSD, you'll find that the ridiculously oversized Engines, which were useless, were supposed to be the Saucer Section Shuttle Bays.
This is one of the more interesting time periods, in my opinion. I always liked the 2290s and later, but never quite took to the TNG stuff as readily. So when I'm running a Star Trek game, I usually set it in the late 90s early 2300s. So this was some great info!
I don't find it at all unrealistic for Starfleet to keep the same uniform for 75 years. In real life the United States Navy, the British Royal Navy, among many others have been using essentially the same "Service Dress" uniforms for the past 100 plus years (although they are no longer the duty dress uniform). The very dark blue ("Navy Blue") pants and double breasted tunic jacket with brass buttons and rank insignia on the jacket cuffs with the visored cap (cover) with its white crown; so Starfleet keeping the "Monster Maroons" for about 75 years? No problem. They did remove the turtleneck shirt unfortunately.😊
The Polish Army is an example of having a dress uniform that hasn't undergone that much change in over 100 years.
What an incredible video. This content isn’t touched upon nearly enough. How did you do the graphics?
Ma-jeh-lanik as in Ferdinand Magellan.
I never got the whole "make star trek look modern we got to update everything" aspect of the new shows, star trek is still set years in the future and the art style makes it stand out, what they did was make the new shows look like Mass effect with the newer art style when it came to the interiors.
I don't want the Lost Era to be touched at all, because NuTrek's complete lack of Giving a Shit has convinced me there should NEVER be prequels in _Trek_ again. Ever.
I really enjoyed Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. The uniforms in that movie was excellent too!
Really like the new graphics of your 'history' type videos!
Great episode ❗
Appreciate all your time and effort 🥰
That was an excellent video! Thank you. I read the book The Sundered. It was good, and the premise was very intriguing. Sulu captained the Excelsior for the 23rd Century sections. Chekov, Rand, and other crewmembers from Sulu's command were in the story. There are a couple of episodes set in the past featuring encounters with Romulans and Nausicaans. And the Tholians are involved in a big way.
I want to know how the Klingon Empire recovered from the destruction of Praxis. The whole premise behind the 6th movie was that the Klingon Empire was basically dying and the old guard had to adapt to it in order for it to survive. I would assume a lot of those events would happen during the lost era
This video is an excellent source for creating video snapshots for use as wallpaper in private use.
Fascinating video
I love the aesthetic of TMP and the lost era. The uniforms are really stylish and the ships look so clean and futuristic.
It would be nice to see them follow the basic outlines of ships inside and out, and those excellent uniforms (I love the maroon, most, too!) but let's face it, if they can't be bothered making anything look close to the originals with Discovery/Strange new worlds, when DS9 could do it so perfectly (I even remember them saying the shiny sections in the hallways on the TOS Enterprise were hard to recreate?) the best we'll get is the variant of the Maroon uniform you showed here and hopefully the STO variants of the ships of that time. I'm glad most of this is an alternate timeline! Also randomly now I want to know what the Enterprise D looks like in the Kelvin timeline, too! XD
Love watching your videos, can't wait for the next one, thank you!
I don't know...uniforms starting relatively unchanged for 50 year or so period might actually work in lore. During that time, starfleet seemed to go through a bit of stagnation. Maybe that's not the best word for it but in terms of ship design and some of their tech, they didn't improve much.
By the time if TNG, you still see ships and classes that were pushing a century of use. There were other, new classes but never in the numbers of the Miranda and Excelsior. With the romulans in isolation and peace with the Klingons, I guess there wasn't any real motivation to advance too quickly.
It wasn't until the romulan returned and the borg showed up that things really started advancing quickly.
The horrors of the occupation of Bajor would make for a great series.
If we use the date of the Excelsior's decommissioning 2320 that is only a year off from the real world gap between Sulu's appearance in VI so it's easy to have him in it and we know they live longer so I wouldn't mind if they bring him back.
Great Video, would be cool if the Betreka Nebula Incident would be included.
I agree with you on the Ambassador class, Rick. If she's not my number 1 favorite ship, then she's in the top 3.
When I first watched Enterprise C, I instantly loved it. Now, it's TOS Enterprise and Enterprise C in that order as my favorite ship designs.
the whole universe doesn't need to exist. mystery is fine, and we can expand infinitely outward. Give me a show about civilians. a sitcom about the Riker's neighbors would be a bad example of this. but I'd take it.
even more on the academy, or maybe certain races like Tellarites. Lots of fun, thought provoking material
eh i'd love to see what actually happened to the enterprises B and C, preferably a extended look at their lines.
and maybe a bit of a look at the culture of the federation during the lost era. what was notable, what was trendy, what got the people pissed, what made the people laugh, and maybe a few romantic scenes too. just stuff i'd like to see, that probably will never be answered, but star trek just follows what starfleet does for the most part, and i'd like to see whats going on when its the average joe. maybe a 5 season 24 episode per season of a average joe in the federation, first season being in 2100 to 2170, season 2 being set in 2170 to 2270, the third season going from 2270 to 2350, the fourth going from 2350 to 2420 and the fifth going from 2420 to 2500. maybe its just me that thinks this, but seeing what the federation citizens had, what technologies they had, the culture, and laws, what was going on during the wars, what people saw, what media coverage was like, what computers looked like in the homes of everyday citizens..
god man, the possibilities of such a series is endless and honestly, it would be a nice change of pace from the heroism of starfleet captains with slick tongues, book smarts, and the occasional nod to TOS era. just gotta apply some good writing to make it good. hell you can even suggest that polyamory is a thing, and maybe the 2nd season shows 5 people in a polyamorous relationship living together, having fun, drinking tea, making shit, maybe even baby making and raising a family. maybe one of them can be a kinky sort, and another one can be a slient bookworm? maybe one is a innovator, who loves to tinker but sometimes catches the apartment on fire and glorious chaos ensues!
There could be something like 10 seasons covering this Lost Era, using the template of Star Trek shows from the middle 1990s to early 2000s (Voyager, Deep Space 9, and Enterprise), and involve events up to the beginning of the Federation-Cardassian War. If this new series is made like non-canon Discovery has been made into, it will be another failure.
You may not like it, but disco is canon
@@dustinjoosen5901 If you like the show, that's fine with me. It's all personal choice in what we want to watch. For me, however, Discovery and its characters were clearly conceived based on a little known, low-grade computer video game that included the 'special tardigrade' for space travel. Most of these Discovery episodes are light shows and random flashes with lens flare and Klingons that initially looked like silly space pirates. 'Shoot'em in the neck to deal with Klingon aggression because some Vulcan told me so' was great inspiration - to not watch the show. Going back to my other point - there were too many similarities between that Tardigrade computer video game and the show's first two seasons to be purely coincidental. Eventually, of course, that special tardigrade had to be 'set free' because of 'reasons.' If people read the most recent reviews of Discovery from IMDb, I'm not the only one who knows that Discovery is not Star Trek. It's lazy writing, it's a lack of character development, it's has very poor ties to other series, and so forth. In my opinion, Discovery is more akin to those Jar Jar Abrams' Kelvin-timeline low IQ space fantasy entertainment movies for those who enjoy simplistic visual effects and nothing else.
@@luckybadgerapples Discovery is like you explained completely un-original, it's a stolen story that got slapped with a Star Trek label to try to bring in the established fan base, as a free standing show it wasn't horrible (well the first few seasons before I gave up on it when they went to a dystopian future where they made that failed georgia politician Stacey Abrams the President of the World or Federation or whatever, I had stopped watching before that) but it was never Star Trek.
@luckybadgerapples Look, I don’t like Disco either, but it’s still canon. Poorly-made & poorly-written canon, but canon nonetheless. It’s canon I’ll quietly ignore, but still canon.
@dustinjoosen5901 STD is not canon. Nothing after Enterprise can be considered canon. Maybe it’s this “prime universe” invented by JJ Abrams/secret hideout but it cannot be canon. Licensing alone makes that a fact. Their constant bad retcons of everything already known in trek reinforces it. It’s just not canon. Ever since the original movies and shows were legally split and the new producers added their all new 25% different, the die has been cast and we will not get any new canon. And honestly, as bad as these shows are, I’m perfectly fine with that.
i'd love to see a mini series of this era
I absolutely love the older era uniforms worn by Kirk during his later years as Captain.
There have been some fan recolors of the Magnificent Maroon uniform into the traditional three department colors, and honestly I think they look great.
Great video.
I was watching this video with the "closed caption" function on. When they talked about the "The Cardassian Border", the automated computer captioning called it "The Kardashian Border"....I fell out laughing... I believe that border is located somewhere near the CURVES of KIM.....Too Funny!!!
I never realized that it's legitimately absurd that Picard wasn't familiar with the captain of the Enterprise-C. He had also been a captain for over a decade when the C disappeared and, well, the Enterprise is the Enterprise. And Picard is absolutely the sort of person who, even if he'd somehow not known her name or reputation prior to taking command of the D, would've looked it up.