LEGACY OF THE FORCE All 9 Books Review & Summary & In-Depth Analysis
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The "Legacy of the Force" series consists basically in:
Troy Denning: "I WANT TO INCLUDE SEX"
Karen Traviss: "AND I WANT TO INCLUDE OVERPOWERED MANDALORIANS"
Aaron Allstron: "And I want more time to live ..."
*In loving memory of Aaron Allstron (1960-2014)*
Traviss' mando arc was some of the most entertaining stuff in that series. Also, overpowered? They got the short end of the stick badly as i see it.
All Disney had to do was follow these books... A way better storyline than the current steaming pile of crap we have now. The Vong series before these books were even better! So disappointing that all the great writing from all these books before Disney bought it was scrapped. Disney just strait up sucks
so true
Aye. So much expansionism and time thrown out the window by the new masters of Disney. One of the greatest tragedies in fiction media.
In many ways Disney replicated all the worst faults of the EU novels.
Holy shit i just listen to young joe peschi give me a 2 hour synapse on the legacy of the force. 11/10 would listen to this "mwathuah-fwuckah" again.
Matthew Stover, the author of Traitor and Janes Luceno, author of The Unifying Force, were both pissed that Troy Denning went with Jacen turning to the Dark Side. They believed he was better than this and envisioned him as a Force mystic afyer NJO. Simmilarly, many NJO fans also hate this series, because they fell in love with the character of Vergere, Jacen's teacher in NJO and her Unifying Force theory. But even tho I love Traitor and consider Stover and Luceno the best Star Wars writers, I consider Jacen's turn a natural outcome of the teachings he followed. Vergere ignored the will of the Force in her teachings, she also believed one should not fear the dark side so long as their intentions are good. She tells Jacen he should surrender controll to unlock true greatness, that the dark side does not truly exist. Those teachings are not in line with Episode V and what George Lucas envisiond about the Force. No matter the intentions, certain methods of using the force are inherintly associated with the dark side, because they involve imposing your will onto the Force rather than submitting to it. It's only natural that it would set Jecen on a dark path. I despise the Sith retcon tho, it cheapened the character and made her uninteresting.
Nice observations. Thanks for sharing your opinion
I have been looking for a youtube summary of these books. Great job.
Thank you very much for your support!
I'm listening to this at work on headphones tomorrow and leaving another comment. That way I can really listen. But the images help alot and I like and appreciate them I'm adding this to my chats and discussions playlist
Thanks for the support
In case you didn't know, Aaron Allston died of a heart attack during a Convention in 2014.
I didn't know. That sucks...
what is your opinion on the x wing series?
@@rebelinsight7917 Stackpoles first 4 books have a good plot, but i don't care much for his characters. Allston's books have very entertaining characters, but his plots aren't the best (altough still good). It's a good series overall if you want some Star Wars stories without the Big Three in them.
@@qualityautismNoah I'll check them out!
Holy shit!! Going to miss that guy. Great writer
2:06 Uh, this feels completely passive if you compare it with the Sequel Trilogy.
Keep up the good work man! love watching your channel
Thank you sir. You keep me going.
When i first read this series i thought it was 50/50. Now i look back and wonder what the hell i even liked about it. It's s truly terrible, i hate the way they treat Jaina in this, they gave her nothing to do, except that horrible Love Triangle. I hate the useless Mandalorian plot, i hate how they "explained" Jacen's turn in this: Not at all. He's just evil now. I hate the completely rushed Ending (Daala is Chief of State now, who cares why and how!) After The New Jedi Order i wanted more and more about the next Generation, more Jacen, Jaina, Ben, Tahiri, everyone, but already with Dark Nest, they compoletely fucked it up, and with this series i didn't even care anymore if Jacen lives or dies. I was done. Thankfully i enjoyed Fate of the Jedi more, because that series almost feels like an apology for Legacy of the Force.
About the Authors: Allston is a good writer, good with characters. Traviss is a c*nt who insults fans that criticize her; her stupid Mandalorian fetish and the constant Jedi hating in her books is annoying as hell. Denning is mediocre, but also a creepy sex pervert. Remember in "Invicible", when Jaina proposes a Threesome to Jag and Zekk (and how her parents make fun of her for that)? Or Tahiri massaging Ben's lightsaber? Or a mindless Zombie-Jaina having drunk Bug Orgies (happens in Dark Nest, but get's referenced here)?
I share many of your sentiments but still thought it was fun...NJO is way better though
@@rebelinsight7917 Oh yeah, NJO is the pinnacle of the EU for me.
@@qualityautismNoah Me too! The Unifying Force was awesome!!!
I only read Traviss's books (Bloodlines, Sacrifice, Revelation) and Invincible and I absolutely loved the overall story and connection to Traviss' Republic Commando characters. Traviss provided enough details of events in between her books that I understood enough, and from your run through it sounds like I didn't miss anything from the others, though I may check out Tempest and Infernal.
I really wish the sequel movie trilogy covered Jacen's rise and fall as Darth Caedus, the timeline was perfect for the original actors' ages at the time of filming for the sequels.
Thanks for the video!
Yes! Read Inferno. It's a good book. Luke goes on a rampage against Lumiya, blaming her for Mara's death and then regrets it when he finds out his nephew killed his wife. Thanks for your support
Good video I heard audio book of one with boba fett on cover where he got sick in it I enjoyed it while at work
Getting paid to listen to SW...awesome
The biggest mistake was killing Caedus Capturing him would have opened up a whole lot of storylines..... Can Luke forgive Caedus? Will Leia and Han's accept Luke's punishment of their son. Can Caedus be redeemed
I agree. Also the way Jaina killed him comes across as darkside and not like a Jedi at all
Excited for this
Thanks
So do I have to read all 9 books or would it suffice to read Betrayal, Sacrifice, Fury, Revelation and Invincible?
Skip Fury and read Inferno instead. My abridged version would be Betrayal, Sacrifice, Inferno, and Invincible...maybe Revelation too
It’s amazing that in 2012, so much of the fandom was making fun of the whiny children who were screaming about how Legends should never have been removed from canon and that Disney could never do better than the older canon.
Those same whiny kids realized that if they just didn’t shut the fuck up and kept screaming forever that eventually they would get enough attention. Now shit like this gains applause. Almost a decade ago, folks would laugh you out of a chat room if you thought the LOTF or FOTJ series were any good. Now folks seem to think they’re prime content and should have been made into 7-9.
Astounding how pissed off children with terrible taste can sway opinions just by incoherently yelling for a very long period of time.
The SW fandom has always been that way tho they don’t know what they want.
Legends was still Canon in 2012.
It's because it took us watching the sequels for these books to shine by comparison.
I got laughed out a chat room in 2015 for saying that the EU was still the true canon
At first glance I thought that was a Mon Calamari head on the table at the 9:00 mark, hahaha.
Yeah I wasn't a huge fan of this series. Few books I liked with jaina learning mandalorian fighting styles to give her an edge over jacen. The boba fett stuff was cool. It would have been better to have their original vision of jacen overcoming his trauma and staying good. But to sit here and say vergere didnt try to turn jacen into a sith is not what happened. Bro she tortured him for God knows how long and continually egged him on to turn to the dark side. Whether or not that was the writers original intention those plans got retconned. Even shit between films got retconned. But yeah I agree with most of what you are saying. Wasn't a fan either but inferno was badass.
Thanks for listening!
So, ive heard rumors that LOTF was actually the writers saying that they were doing the story of Anakin, but correctly. Which i feel they accomplished because this works better as the PT, than the PT did.
IMO, its actually the few best series of SW outside of the OT.
As for the "prophecy", that should have never been a thing. That was simply lazy George Lucas and his bad writing and even in canon, could (and should) simply be dismissed as wrong and silly. I also feel its a bit silly for people to focus on this or say that it "undermines" or "removes the purpose of". But this is why its stupid to put this in, in the first place. Because what are you planning on doing after that? Not telling any force related stories? Because anything they do after that is and can be viewed as doing these things.
Come on. Time does not stop after this.... the force is still a thing, even after the stupid prophecy. The prophecy itself was not even correct, or i should say, inane. It didnt play out the way something like that would or should and i never understood why people tried to defend this concept. The reality is, GL is a really bad writer and since other, better writers, wrote the best SW material, he didnt understand these characters. So instead of Vader simply being the enforcer that he was, he was lazy and decided to go with the most generic religious prophecy nonsense you can find. Within his own PT, it falls apart. Its completely fallen apart by the OT. And everything after that basically contradicts it. You don't need to get to LOTF to make this comment. The Thraw trilogy does it too, as done Dark Empire and the young jedi series and jedi apprentice, and........ etc. etc. etc. literally every piece of old EU does this... actually i cant say "literally every piece", but the vast majority do.
I agree regarding the prophecy. But I think the prophecy was disregarded in Lucas canon, even if he doesn't want to admit it...for instance when Yoda says "a Prophecy misread could have been." And when you think about it, having your messiah like figure turning into space Hitler before he saves the galaxy is a pretty twisted "prophecy." I understand you but I love Revenge of the Sith, especially the novel.
@@rebelinsight7917 You know.... I always felt ROTS was actually the worst of the PT because Anakin's fall was so poorly done.
This is why i praise and love LOTF the way i do, because its correct.... that's how a good person goes bad. Its never one thing, its not "omg my love died, now i go completely evil and exterminate everyone". Rather its a series of questionable or bad actions, justified through reasoning.
The GA saying "well, we need to find these terrorists and bring them to justice, if we have to remove peoples rights and some innocent people die, that sucks and we don't want it, but this is for the greater good", this is basically the blueprint for every super authoritarian police state, fascist and totalitarian nations. It gets taken further and further and the people doing these things never start out at the extreme end. It starts out with "we can illegally kick this guys door in because kids will be safer".
This is why ive always argued you cant tell the rise and fall of Anakin properly, in 3 episodes. They needed at least six. GL should have recognized this (especially after he decided to introduce him as a 10 year old instead of 17, 18, 19, 20, which he should have done) and dropped the numbers from the saga (again).
Even in my own rewrite of the PT, i could not do it in less than 5, which i just expanded to 6 because it left room for more detail.
@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 I recommend you read the novelization of Revenge of the Sith...it's a masterpiece and adds TONS of new dialogue and scenes...and makes it a much more mature, type of Rated R experience...
@@rebelinsight7917 I'd sooner cut off my own foot before watching or reading any of the PT again.
A "Rated R experience" does nothing to sell me on that and there's no way to fix how bad the story of Anakin is in the PT simply by a novelization of ROTS.
No, the whole PT needs to be made into six stories and completely rewritten from the ground up by someone not named George Lucas.
The Prequels are incredible wtf are you on? I have never seen so much hate for the Prequels from us Legends fans.
I thought Prequel downplay was all but extinct. George is an incredible writer and the Prequels inspired even more insanely unique and epic Legends stories.
Though not perfect, a cool overall plot.
The audiobooks for this series are great...
I agree
Just starting to get into legends any recommendations?
New Jedi Order series
Read Darth Plagueis above everything else! Then Thrawn trilogy if you want more Luke, Han Leia..if you want more jedi sith lore...read darth bane trilogy. But read plagueis NOW!
Darth Bane trilogy for sure
Thrawn Trilogy, NJO, LOTF, Darth Bane, Darth Plagueis. For games, KOTOR 1 and 2. For comics, Dark Empire, Tales of the Jedi, Star Wars: Republic
New Jedi Order. OG Thrawn Trilogy. X-Wing series. Specter of the Past and Visions of the Future
about your coments on the one sith... by publication date by the second book of this series we already had varius issues of the Legacy comics where the one sith are the portagonist.
Thanks for educating me
Could someone answer which 3 are the most important books. I want to read what the sequel trilogy should have been. Which 3 do i need to read and forget the rest.
Betrayal, Sacrifice, Fury, Invincible. Sorry but you have to read those 4. I can't narrow it to 3. In my opinion those 4 have the most important events. Invincible is a short read if that helps
Great series. Itnhas its issues but over all great. Re reading these books again. Very sad reading what starwars could have been or once was
I agree
Ben was his son and jaina and jacen was his niece and nephew
Good video what if you do a video chat star wars trivia battle like on collides videos. Scmoedown.
I need to check that out to see how it works. good recommendation.
46:35 oh boy this aged like milk. Just wait until you watch the Ahsoka show 😂
I'm not watching that show. I have been finished with Disney wars since the Obi Wan Kenobi TV show and I will never go back unless they fire the entire Lucasfilm staff and make the Disney timeline a separate universe...like the Panderverse
@@rebelinsight7917 Yes, I definitely agree with that. It’s a pathetic remake of the thrawn trilogy in my eyes. Not worth your time.
Center - not shatterpoint station. Mace is dead n doesn't live on a sattelite.
did you like the series? You sure shitted on it alot in the intro lol
It was okay. I think there are better stories about the Skywalker grandchildren like the NJO series and Legacy of the Force comic, which is actually about the great grandchildren
Have you ever read Galaxy of Fear young adult series? Super fun horror series from the 90s
No I haven't. Is it like Star Wars?
@@rebelinsight7917 It's Star Wars haha, it's a legends series w cameos from the main characters
I looked into it. Interesting...
@@rebelinsight7917 Yea there really fun and creepy like a Star Wars version of Goosebumps
I wish I could read them but sadly cant afford them :(
You can find the pdf for free online. use google
use zlibrary
Which book Fett trains Jaina?
Revelations
I agree with most of what you said. Allston's obsession with Wedge and the XWing series characters really drags down his books. Allston was the definitely worst of the 3 authors of LOTF.