A Critique of Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Introduction
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ธ.ค. 2018
- This is Part 1 of 6 of a series of videos all about Star Wars: The Force Awakens. We open with a discussion on video essays as a genre and end on the ideas of objectivity and subjectivity.
And in between? well, plenty of Star Wars.
The Thumbnail art is courtesy of Oliver Pocock
Big thanks to Caddicarus and Fringy for their cameos. Check out their channels if you are interested -
/ caddicarus
/ thefringy123
[The complete bibliography will be placed here once it's complete.]
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EDIT: Timestamps included Below
Hello there!
I decided to make this series of videos nice and short, that's why we have a 2 hour and 42 minute intro for a movie analysis :^).
Either way, the remaining parts will be released at a later date as they are not currently complete. This part works on its own as I tackle quite a few fundamental topics at the same time as covering the main world building elements of TFA and part of the opening scene.
I know that many of you have taken issue with Patreon as of recently with the controversy that's still on going. I have managed to get TH-cam Membership set up as a possible alternative. If you would prefer to use that as a subscription service for support, it offers a £5 per month tier and it gives you emotes to use on the EFAP streams. If you would like to use this method, click the link and use the "Join" option on this page - gaming.th-cam.com/users/TheMauLerYT
I hope you folks enjoy, this series has taken ages to put together and I cannot wait to get the whole thing out. o/
I have an audio commentary coming on New Year's Eve as well, looking forward to seeing what you guys think of both. Thank you so much for supporting this channel, Merry Christmas and have an awesome new year!
Timeline edit courtesy of Sapheiron:
Table of Contents:
0:00 - Montage of initial reactions to TFA
4:00 - Disclaimer 1
5:18 - The Objectivity vs Subjectivity Debate
6:23 - Clarifying MauLer's Position
7:48 - On Consistency in Fiction and Argumentation
20:30 - On the Practice of Purely Subjective Critique
49:02 - The Force Awakens Critique Proper
50:26 - Disclaimer 2
1:02:28 - Cameo 1: Caddicarus
1:05:35 - The Title Crawl: Bridging the Gap between Episodes
(1:31:29 - One-Punch Man: An Unbridled Praise)
1:37:07 - The Title Crawl: Story Set-Up
1:41:36 - Worldbuilding Difficulties in Continuing a Story
1:53:55 - Cameo 2: Fringy
1:56:22 - The Opening Scene: Opening Shot and Flickering Lights
1:57:43 - A Tangent on Nitpicking
2:04:02 - The Opening Scene: No Stone left Unturned
2:21:35 - Intellectual Consistency and Emotional Resonance
2:40:19 - To be continued...
MauLer Merry Christmas and happy holidays! 👍🏿
Rhino milk!!!!!
Merry Christmas Skull on Wheels
cringe
Oh yeah, Merry Xmas dear sir. Keep up the good work. I'll keep supporting you on Patreon, as it's still a convenient piece of platform. Cheers!
"Yes, you did just watch me talk about the opening seconds of a movie for 30 minutes"
That's...why I'm here.
1:37:01 😂
Understanding what is fundamentally wrong with even the opening words is INSANELY IMPORTANT to writers because those first words dictate one simple thing:
The interest of the viewer
So I am 100% here to see that, plus other pitfalls to watch out for.
@@ArlanKels
Same here, the more time analysing the better understanding you have of the media, thus it is easier to ground your own opinions about it.
This is the way.
Couldn't have said it any better!👍😊
*“A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.” C.S. Lewis*
The people that defends it with “it’s for children” seems to forget that children don’t have over a billion dollars to spend on just a movie (and that’s disregarding the toys)
….in my opinion
This is so true. The best children's fiction has a multi-layered nuance that allows adults to get just as much enjoyment out of it from their different perspective compared to that of someone who is very much new to this world and its cultural detritus.
Preach
@@mikeexits the original animated batman series! A perfect example!
I think the biggest problem people actually have with Mauler is that he responds to every single thing they try to say about him and fully explains why what they're saying isn't right. Most of these people aren't used to that and expect someone to just say "no, they're wrong" and leave it at that because that's as much effort as they put into their own work
I don't think it is fair to say people like hhbomberguy doesn't put effort into his videos.
@nostalji75 that's why I didn't say that. They do put in effort but not to the extend they should when making a video to try and debunk another persons video like Harris did to Matt. He himself admits he didn't even bother fighting Darklurker in his own video. He didn't research many of the topics he's trying to correct Matt on and straight up cut and edited clips to try and make Matt look stupid. I don't expect everyone to go to the extend Mauler does but if you're going to try and "destroy" someone else's work then you need to put in the effort and Harris did not.
@@nostalji75With your reply you are basically making yourself into an example of not only the problems MauLer discussed in the video, but those same problems echo’ed in the TH-cam comment you responded to.
The person you responded to said “because that’s as much effort as they put into their own work” - he did not say as you stated “hhbomberguy doesn’t put effort into his videos” - the only person who has the reading and cognitive comprehension to think hhbomberguy doesn’t put effort into his videos is YOU. The person you fallaciously responded to seems to actually think these other TH-camrs do put in effort into their videos (TH-cam videos do not magically appear, a consequence of only your thought process) all videos require some kind of effort. Often lots of effort. What was being conveyed is these TH-camrs put in effort into making their videos, but they do not put much critical thinking and logical efforts into their work, which means their effort while great equates to a work of lesser effort - and not, a work of no effort
@@notonthat "The person you fallaciously responded to"
dude you are so full of yourself.
Op discribed a group of people who put very little effort in their responses and creative work. Among others this group was pretty likely referring to hhbomberguy, a guy who I know puts efforts in his videos. In his case ops statement was not being true, so I asked him to be more specific.
Which he was in his reply.
pls no more "fallacious" comments from your side -.-
@@nostalji75given the examples provided within this very video of Hbomberguy's interactions with MauLer in relation to other content it does seem a fair assessment that the direct argumentation from him seems to be lacking, regardless of the quality of his content. This is fine, not everyone is equally skilled in direct confrontation.
That all being said, assuming that a recent comment on a several years old video is in reference to an old debate/discussion does seem a bit odd. I'd argue it likely includes the likes of Southpaw and Smudboy, from what I've seen lately
Edit: it is worth noting this comment was made while ignorant of the subsequent discussion following your initial reply
Patrick saying that Disney doesn't pay reviewers is extra funny now.
I think it comes from the misconception that "paying off reviewers for good reviews" means that studios like Disney are physically handing reviewers a big pile of cash and saying give it a good review.
This isn't the case, most studios operate in a more subtle indirect way. Most reviewers for shows, films, video games, etc are given early access privileges from studios so they can get their reviews out earlier and generate views which generates their revenue. Without said privileges, reviewers would have to wait until the products come out to the mass public therefore losing their step ahead of the competition. These privileges can be taken away, especially if said studios or companies are displeased at the review. So in a way, Reviewers are paid off and subtly encouraged to give good reviews or risk losing their early access privileges.
@@Vossenator Absolutely, this needs to be more widely understood. Videos take time to make and edit but the few days immediately following release of a movie or game is when the vast majority of views are up for grabs. To lose early access is HUGELY damaging to a content creator. As such, they must toe the line and be incredibly careful with any criticism they offer, if any, to ensure that access is maintained. ETA - this also applies, possibly even more so, to people who review expensive goods but an understanding of that dynamic is more common.
"The best movie out of the seven"
*The ability to speak does not make you intelligent*
You can tell people were very overhyped because it was the first Starwars movie in years.
@@petery6432 to be fair, this was half the time that people had to wait compared to tpm (and that still got trashed)
some critics actually liked tpm when it came out
@UTubeFekUrself "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty."
@UTubeFekUrself demonic?
>2 hours and 45 minutes
>Part 1 of 6
OH BOY
GET HYPE BITCH
Let the next five installments be just as long!
*ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!!*
Quantum Leap theme song begins.
Erection.
3 years old and still a great piece of content. Thanks man
In “yOuR oPiNiOn”😂
Agreed
Lmao at first I read this as “[I’m] 3 years old and still a great piece of content…” and I was hella confused before I realized u were talking about the video
It's captivating just going through the introduction. Not sure if I should watch this first, or his The Last Jedi videos first though.
4 years now, still great
“Not Palpatine is the head of it” Oh my sweet summer child
“Thank you JJ Abrams, for saving Star Wars.”
That one uh... yea, that one actually hurt a bit. That one really stung..
*Meanwhile TROS laughs maniacally in the background*
And of course, it was pissed Jose.
John Waters Not really.
IMO it was doomed from the very beginning. They had NO plan or outline for a fucking trilogy, three different directors essentially, and the biggest reason: Kathleen Kennedy. Her terrible leadership, distaste towards legacy characters and identity politics ruined these movies.
She’s never cared about Star Wars nor respecting and honoring George’s vision. These movies were for her just to shove her goddamn woke politics and feminism down our throats.
Yessss
Star Wars NEVER needed "saving" before Disney took over. Think about that.
"Star Wars: The Force Awakens is being called the film of a generation."
God, that hurts my soul.
Have you met the more recent generations? It's probably true xD. Justin Beaver and Mily Cyprus are things.
Every generation trashes the younger one. I m a millennial.. But this is not the movie for my generation. Sorry
It was an error, it's suppose to be "degeneration"
Marshomon then came the last jedi...
@Marshomon - Well said.
The only downside of EFAP being a thing is that we are getting fewer Unbridled essays.
Been saying this for years 😢
@@Garek_GYou and me both. It's particularly irritating for the viewer who considers EFAP a substandard podcast.
womp womp@@MeansofIntrigue
I enjoy EFAP but, even if I didn’t, it would be a necessity evil because it and other streams is how MauLer earns a living. If he didn’t go on streams and have other MooLer content then he’d have to edit in between 9-5s. At least this way we get something else we could watch in the meantime.
@@sadeknight9112 Are they though? Granted, I don't have the data but I assumed his patreon income was what kept his lights on.
Edit:
Ah. I didn't think his patreon was associated with the streams, just with content uploaded on MauLer. My mistake.
I was going to say “I enjoy this series more than I enjoyed the sequel trilogy.” But that should go without saying.
I’ve watched this series of critique videos more times than I’ve watched the movies.
This is brilliant writing, I wish a single person working on writing the sequels had an ounce of the passion you put into these videos.
Thank you, MauLer.
Unless you were an EU fan lol
The argument from Quinton reviews is so telling. I remember seeing his defense of the last jedi video and the part where I felt actual anger was when he said "to everyone saying that luke would never kill a member of his own family aren't remembering the original trilogy right" and then he shows the scene of luke angrily striking vader until he cuts his hand off. Like he completely omitted the motivation of Vader threatening leia and the part where he refused to kill him after seeing him defeated and helpless. All he needed was 1 minute to let the first scene start and the last scene finish to completely nullify his point. The irony being that he needed to manipulate the footage in order to state that WE weren't remembering it right. It's like the textbook definition of gaslighting.
Quinton is too busy virtue signaling to worry about things like context, accuracy, honesty.
I personally see where Quintin was coming from, but he was a jackass about it. In episode 6, Vader poked and prodded Luke until for a brief moment, Luke tried to kill him, berating Vader with strike after strike, but then, the moment passes and Luke comes back to the light. In episode 8, Luke sees Ben Solo's future as Kylo Ren, and for a brief moment he thinks to kill Ben, but the moment passes and he returns to the light, now broken because of his moment of weakness. I see and even agree with his point about the films, but his attack against those he disagrees with really show his immaturity.
Edit: Fixed spelling errors.
Exactly, like they don't understand the difference between a tense moment in the middle of an actual fight vs seeing something that might happen. Not only that, but even if I agreed Luke was an aggressive irrational man who would strike people down without thinking at that point of, literally the next fucking moment was him throwing away his lightsaber and *GREW* as a character and learned he was right for doing so when Vader chose to do the right thing in the end.
So there's really no context imaginable where you can spin that scene around to make a scene where he'd kill his nephew in his sleep for something that may have come. Luke was already willing to abandon the mission on Endor to try to save his father, he's already proven to risk the Galaxy's safety for his family so why on Earth Luke, someone with his experience with family falling to the darkside, not even so much as wait a fucking day to at the very least talk to his nephew? My father, I'll at least try to reach him, but my nephew, naw gotta kill him.
@@Inactivechannel2187 You're ignoring the contextual difference between the 2 scenes. In one, Luke is in the middle of a life or death battle against someone he's only known to be a his father for just a few years, with said battle being their first encounter since Empire. Ben, meanwhile was the nephew he's seen grow up, and train. He was sleeping peacefully. Regardless of what visions he saw, there was no immediate danger. ie, no reason for turning on his lightsaber, or even thinking about killing his nephew. Remember, Ben wasn't even Kylo Ren. Anakin was Vader. This is the problem with people who believe Luke was consistent with his character in Last Jedi. They completely ignore his arc just to pick and choice certain moments that serve as "callbacks". Like the blue milk drinking in ANH, or that momentary scene of weakness during a tense moment, and clunkily placing them in this new narratives. Absolutely laughable.
He sounds as disingenuous as EC Henry.
The Last Three Star Wars Films:
The Force Awakens,
The Force Get Tired,
The Force Goes Back To Sleep.
But that is just your opinion
Johanna_ Jelly r/whooosh
That joke flew right over your head my friend
@Johanna_ Jelly no I was joking on the half the video talking about the just your opinion
Johanna_ Jelly No, you are ;)
@@sebastianb.3978 Don't be cringey bud
"Thank you J.J. Abrams for saving Star Wars"
That one didn't age quite so well.
This is probably my favorite video on all of youtube, like ever. And in MY opinion, MauLEr has INCREASED the amount of joy in the world, by making the pain of the Star Wars sequels just a bit more bearable, with this dead honest, ruthless critique. Thank you for that.
I am hoping he'll make a video about Ghost Busters 2016 one day.
@@WaxTheDolphin Haha, it will be hard keeping a level head critiquing that absolute garbage xD
No doubt it would make for great entertainment tho!
I had the same opinion, and wanted to leave a similar comment (including the in my opinion line) but I couldn’t the words.
@@christophergarza9118 Glad that someone understood the slight dig in that line ;)
Why did stuff like the first order being "incompetent" and sending too few troops or taking too long to track fugitives through a desert bring you "pain" while identical events in ANH did not?
Do not under any circumstances skip the intro. MauLer has summed up the biggest issue with video essay creators. But that's just my opinion.
I see what you did there... 👍
Oh yeah? Well in my opinion the Jedi are evil.
I agree.. and that's a fact.. in my opinion.
@@joshuatree206 when then you are lost, in my opinion
Thats, like, just your opinion man.
*_We're hitting video essay levels that shouldn't even be possible_*
omg.......their over 9000!!!
I CAN'T READ HIS POWER LEVEL
We've gone to Plaid!!!!
Power, unlimited power!
No ... we are hitting levels that shouldn't be NECESSARY.
As I watch these years after they were made, it still amazes me how easily I start a mauler megavid and suddenly I feel surprised as 2-3 hours have gone by in a matter of seconds. Mauler, you are amazing.
The Mary Sue writing was on the wall in this movie. Did Kylo Ren ever stop a blaster bolt after this movie? No! Was Rey over-powered and oddly skilled in this movie for no good reason? Yes.
To be fair Kylo hasn’t had a decent reason to stop a blaster bolt ever
@@lazyliongames6660 true !
@@lazyliongames6660The problem is they never gave us a reason to believe he'd know such a move, Vader only blocked some shots with his hand after all
@@bluemutt9964
It's just movie spectacle, that's why. Makes absolutely zero sense in terms of plot or world-building, but it looks cool - and that was Disney's only real priority with these movies.
*"Skip Intro - **1:05:35**"*
There are actual tears in my eyes XD
Dontae Jones ^.-.^ sorry, I bumped the comment Likes from 69 to 70..
True story: That 1 hour and 5 minutes was just the intro for the rest of the intro for the whole analysis.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon I bumped it from 169 to 170...
LETS KEEP THIS GOING!!!!
1:56:30 To get to the first scene's breakdown
I rounded it to 200. Does that count?
Also i watch it all. No ads. Fuck ads. Just content
1:15:18 Mauler says "clone" over a shot of Snoke
HE KNEW
AS THE SPIDERS FORETOLD
LOL
That was awesome!
1:15:16
Damn, good catch
50:50
2018: Only had the one Star Wars critique under his belt.
2023: Only has the one Star Wars critique under his belt.
You cannot rush The Longman.
Never understood hbomber's appeal, other than he has the right politics for TH-cam's "algorithm".
I have an idea for a Lord of the Rings sequel: Aragorn has disappeared and Gondor is in ruins. Meanwhile a dark lord named Jimmy has rebuilt Mordor three times more powerful than it was under Sauron but he has lost his source of power, a golden bracelet, which is then found by a young hobbit girl who with the help of Eowyn who is now a powerfull witch starts an epic journey to destroy Jimmy's bracelet.
Does Aragorn milk a cave troll at some point?
@@jacobsabastian3871 Yes, he sticks to troll-fluids since few years back he got drunk and tried to kill Legolas' and Gimli's adopted son.
I'm going to steal this.
Ok, not bad idea.
Matti Kunnas disney will buy
I will never get tired of Mark Hamill passive-agressive attitude these last years.
You gotta love that man's bravery in the face of an evil corporation such as Disney.
Alternatively it's depressing and sad to watch, it's like he was trapped in a nightmare that he couldn't escape, you can hear the sadness and defeat in his voice.
NAZI!
If Disney is evil, who is supposed to be good here?
@@LinkMarioSamus Everything not Disney.
@@K4inan Including Sony?
MauLer, you're a gift we all don't deserve but the one we need
My attention span when creating anything is so fragmented, I can't fathom how you outline and write videos like this. Yours is a level of thoroughness unmatched in anything I've seen on TH-cam in the area of entertainment.
In my subjective opinion the Intro about subjectivity vs objectivity could have and should have been its own video. That's just my opinion though. Also if you disagree that's just your opinion which means I'm right and you're wrong.
But, like, that's just your opinion, man.
Oh it could, but I want it at the beginning of this series for context. I might release it separately as well through, on the mooler channel, for sharing purposes................in my suObjective obsubtive po-ninion.
I was gonna say the same thing as SinsSins. Honestly that first hour is a great little analysis on the state of TH-cam. Think it's important.
I understand and in some ways agree, but I like that it's here. I like the idea of Mauler's videos being an ongoing series of commentation and therefore having a large intro here is really cool to me because it makes his content releases feel like an ongoing, multi-faceted production.
@@LH2608 it's not just TH-cam man. This is the state of the modern world. The nihilistic/post modernism view of the world has corrupted any notion of critical thinking and objectivity. It's starting to corrupt science as well. We need more people like Mauler who are willing to stand up for and teach critical thinking.
This is why the Thrawn Trilogy was so loved. Because the good guys did have overwhelming strength, and were a galaxy spanning Republic with massive military and logistical superiority, and the remnants of the Empire were somewhat sympathetic villains who were a small guerrilla force barely hanging on at the edges of the galaxy. The drama comes from watching our heroes being outmaneuvered and outsmarted by such an seemingly inferior force due that that weaker force possessing one key advantage, a brilliant leader whose tactical brilliance comes from his greater ability to understand and therefore predict his opponents.
The decision to not make a Trilogy out of the Thrawn books will forever be a mystery to me.
Exclamation: The old material worked on building worlds.
Statement: The new meatbags love vomiting stories up.
He uses his empathy to destroy his enemies
Exactly, Thrawn was an awesome character. He was a ruthless bastard but intelligent. He was different than Vader and Palpatine, not just a rehash. The idea that the former Rebels had to fight against people stealing from their old playbook was interesting. That’s what people wanted I think, familiar characters in new and interesting settings passing the torch to a new generation of heroes. What got was...well...
Thinking about it, they *could* have put a new spin on the entire Empire vs. Rebellion-Story by basically turning it around: Let the New Republic be the established gouvernment and the Empires' remnants, some very fanatical diehards, be the irregular force fighting against it - but unlike the Rebellion without any qualms about hitting civilan targets or concerns about collateral damage. An ISIS-eqivalent on a galatic scale, if you will... perhaps with some sort of religion based on Emperor/Sith-worship.
Some random thoughts I just made up, more interesting than the ANH-Regurgitation we ultimately got.
I know I’m super later to the party, but thank you. I really appreciate your video and the time you put into this. This helps me realize that there are reasonable people on the internet. Well done sir
It's a pitty none of those people write scripts for SW 🤦♀️
Your videos are honestly quite concise. They compile a massive amount of information and get it across quickly and effectively.
Everyone: "Skip intro - 15 seconds"
Mauler: "Skip intro - 1:05:35"
Dias
I only skip the 15 second ones.
@Snob Jockey he shows the time stamp in the video as well. Personally though I think that it's important that people get called out on their BS. A lot of the people he referred to contradicted themselves multiple times in their own videos lol
I have never been a follower of someone or something.
But that does not prevent me from admitting that MauLer is brilliant.
He gets it.
Hats off to MauLer.
xDD
Mahler had his long symphonies
Mauler has his long video essays
That's no TH-cam video, that's a feature length film!
"That's no TH-cam video - it's a space station!"
I was going to watch Aquaman... but then this came out
@@davfree9732 Watch Red Letter Media's review, instead. I might stream it when it's released on video, if I'm really bored.
Dav Free Aquaman really isn’t as bad a DC movie as people make it out to be. You really gotta watch the movie and judge it for yourself instead of the opinions of everyone else
@@EricGraham94 I plan to see it. And Bumblebee. Without Bay and G1 designs, I wanna see how it does... But this vids about the length of time it takes to to drive there and watch a movie. Maybe tomorrow
Does anyone else just watch the first hour now and again for a good laugh. I love the critique but the introduction is some of the best content I've ever seen. Those Harris clips were so good!! Hahaha
"I cannot think of a bigger waste of time than debating art"
Bruh, art *is* a debate. It offers in some cases truth, or criticism, or fantasy, and comparison or change can come from something like
"Damn I like this world how can I make my real life more like this"
or "Wow I never thought to look at it that way, maybe theres something to be found in my life in that same vein that I might work to change"
or "This art makes me appreciate certain aspects of my life more that I had otherwise not been shown to be personally important yet"
idk
"I'm a big fan of research, references, knowledge, passion, and effort. So either get on the train or get off the damn track."
~ MauLer
"Is that a reference to the Trump Train? I knew he was a Nazi."
- Evolved Critics
The devolution of critics
PLOT TWIST skull on wheels is a battle-train, not a car.
@El ElEl so uncivilized
You notice how when Adam Driver says "Nothing" all the cast members laugh like idiots and Mark Hamill just sits there dejectedly thinking "My god these people are stupid..."
An ellegant actor from a more civilised age.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 not as clumsy or as random as a Driver
I honestly think Hamill was seriously at a 9 on the tree scale at many of these gatherings.
I think Adam Driver's got a good head on his shoulders. He just made a massive mistake by signing up for Disney Wars. At least he's professional about it and doesn't lash out at people who dislike the movies. I think he, like Mark Hamill, knows that The Last Jedi is a shitty movie and that's why he said that the audience would get nothing out of it. He just said it in a diplomatic way because, unlike Mark Hamill, he doesn't have a massive fanbase to back him up if he calls out Dicksney for their stupidity.
@@tomnorton4277 It is true that Adam Driver and the guy who plays Poe have handled all of the backlash well. That's also a very interesting read on why he said "nothing". I hope that you're correct and that he is just making the best out of a bad situation. Plus it would mean he was cheekily trolling Rian XD
On my second viewing... 3 years later. What an amazing essay. If I could choose one thing to survive beyond our civilization, it would be this video essay.
How creepy…
That introduction where Mauler just asked endless questions about the world building is so refreshing. I couldn't enjoy this movie even the first time around because all these questions were just tumbling around in my head.
The Intro is longer than the movie itself, and I love it.
EDIT: The Markiplier bit at 1:09:32 killed me
This is why we love mauler.
It’s moronicz
And better writing
Dragonage2ftw Do you have anything better to do with your time than trying to troll people, because you’re not really doing a good job of it.
Why Hello There
"That's right ladies and gentlemen. We have good Star Wars movies now!"
... That did not age well.
Sure as hell didn't
“Thank you JJ Abrams for saving Star Wars”
It’s outrageous it’s unfair!
As I was listening to your discussion about objectivity and being open to discussion and criticism reminds me of my favorite quote of all time:
The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves while wiser people are so full of doubts.
Mauler is for Star Wars what St. Thomas Aquinas is for theology - the definitive handbook and appraisal
Pretty based compliment.
*Spends more than 30 minutes on the opening crawl*
BOI THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT!
NOW THIS IS PODRACING
It is great
But man, is it ever important to do that because there's so much gleaned from just the first four words.
"Luke Skywalker has vanished."
What this amounts to is that J.J. Abrams was completely incapable of the gravity and grounding necessary to actually write one of the most iconic and respected characters in the history of movies. He was more than happy to leave him completely out of the story instead of finding ways to work him into a new narrative, thus thrusting the responsibility of actually writing him onto the next director.
What really makes it worse is that he ends the film in a manner that makes it impossible for his successor to repeat the feat of pushing Luke out of the story. He ends it in a way that requires Luke to immediately interact with the plot and characters that J.J. wrote. This is why you don't push a trilogy of sequential stories onto a series of different writers/directors with no advanced planning. They just push all the onus onto the next writer to solve the problems they create.
And yes, the cop-out of not even giving Luke one single line of dialogue in the movie was absolutely frustrating since the whole story is largely about him, and was very obvious to many people from the first time they watched this.
>3 Hours
>For just the first part
Godspeed you magnificent bastard
Too short imo. The intro should be its own video.
Intro ends at 1:05:06 (or something I can't remember)
God bless this ungodly longman!
39:16 this is a much better disclaimer to essays. "If I'm wrong, criticize me. My work will improve." It's like saying to your detractors, "Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Dang! This analysis has BROAD applicability. I didn't see it coming. I will now try to have the guts to state my arguments' conclusions without a "safety net". It feels a little dangerous for my ego, so I'm going to call it being intellectually brave.
"Art is subjective, you can't judge the quality of something, as long as the creator is happy with it", is probably the most loathsome talking point i've ever come across. Here are some other great gems:
"Lets see you try and do a better job"
"They don't owe you anything, X doesn't belong to you"
"your opinion isn't fact, as long as people enjoy it, its good"
"you didn't get what you wanted out of it, so you're just being a hater"
"it didn't meet your expectations"
"Wah! Fans are toxic!"
"You're just a bigot, stop hiding your bigotry".
Any time any of this gets brought up, they've already lost the argument.
Reflex you could use that logic for literally any product ever.
“You don’t have the right to criticize it, you didn’t build it”
“It doesn’t matter if it’s good, it matters if people like it”
“Ford doesn’t owe you anything, you don’t own Ford”
I hate those arguments so much. Thank you for pointing them out.
*In my subjective opinion*
A few more
"It's just cosmetic."
"Gamers are just entitled."
"Businesses exist to make money."
@@toasterbathboi6298 No problem. Indeed, they are the cancer of all YT debates.
StigMurcielago Funny how they don't realise that businesses can't make money if they're too busy smearing their faeces all over the property.
"I actually *can* use quotes instead of inventing them."--MauLer 2018, and still comic gold three years later.
*cries in still waiting for part 4*
@@royalblue5367 lol but for real when is he going to?
@@sambrainard3487 probably after gdelb and snyders justice league: an unbridled rampage
@@blazefa. gdelb?
@@royalblue5367 yes
I am commenting here again because I find this video very helpful and educational, and my grasp on writing terminology and logic has slightly improved since I last watched this, and knowing the things I know now, I am enjoying the first half of this video even more. When Mauler is citing examples from other creators using the "humans are emotional and not logical" argument to debunk logic as a metric for film critique, I remembered a term I had recently encountered. There is a term that is used to describe the human tendency to have lapses in logic. That term is "logical human fallibility". I just find that ironic and a little funny.
When writing human characters then, a writer is still beholden to logic when creating a character that actually feels human. Because they have to assess how humans with certain emotional histories act in response to certain situations in order to create a character that acts and reacts in a believable way. The illogical nature of humans when they are emotional is something that can be logically assessed, and the knowledge gained from that assessment can be used to write believable characters, it can be used to help people, and it can also be weaponized. See Return of the Jedi for example. Vader makes good use of his own knowledge of logical human fallibility as he is toying with Luke in their duel toward the end of the film. He knows that Luke is vulnerable to emotional manipulation. He knows that he can compromise Luke's logic and get him to take actions that are contradictory to Luke's own goals, and he succeeds. He threatens to turn Luke's sister, and it works. Luke attacks, very aggressively, despite his intentions toward his father being explicitly peaceful as he states himself multiple times. Luke does eventually resist, but not before reducing Vader to the same helpless state that Vader had reduced him to in the previous film. In the audience, we know Luke should not fight. We know he should not try to kill Vader, but in all likelihood, most of us probably don't fault him at all for that. Because most of us are logical enough and empathetic enough to place ourselves in his position and know that we would likely make the same mistake. It is the logic we use to assess and make sense of emotion that allows us to understand Luke's actions even though those actions themselves lack logic. It is that same logical process that Vader exploits to get him to take that action in the first place. It is logical human fallibility.
Basically, this is just a different way of articulating what the long man already articulated in this video years ago. That is to say that no, characters do not have to always act logically. Yes. They can make mistakes, and for the sake of a good narrative, they should make mistakes. But they better be mistakes that work within the confines of logical human fallibility. If Spider-Man is explicitly established to have a ridiculously high capacity for sensing danger. He should never once be caught off guard by a drunken, stumbling rhinoceros unless his spider sense has been somehow compromised. And to be more relevant to this series and in agreement with the long man, Luke Skywalker, a man who threw his weapon away in the name of peace while faced with death at the hands of the single most evil man in the galaxy, a man who defied the suggestions from his own Jedi trainers to kill the source of the evil, should never and would never attempt to murder his own nephew because he thinks he detects a faint hint of evil somewhere within the scent of Ben Solo's farts. To call TLJ's writing contradictory would be a massive understatement. In fact the sentence I wrote before this one was itself a massive understatement. Anyway. That is all. Disney Star Wars is depressingly abysmal.
Found these videos through Rag's channel and EFAP. This was a herculean effort and I truly enjoy this type of breakdown/content. I am just disappointed I didn't find them until now, but at least I don't have to wait for the rest of the videos to drop. Great work sir!
"We can love media, and still be critical of it at the same time" -Anita
Guys...Holy fuck! I actually agree with what Anita said...I think I'm going to be sick...
Well, I guess even a turd can have a bright point... even a very, very small one...
Just throw up in your mouth, then swallow it again.
That’s confirmation that we are currently living in the darkest timeline...
Don't feel too bad. I'm sure Anita just stole that saying from somewhere or someone else.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
"thank you jj. Abrhams, for saving star wars" that didn't age well
****comment of the video...
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It’s funny because angry joe is one of the main channels that completely shits on the sequel trilogy lol I was shocked that he even said that because I never watched his force awakens review but I watched his TLJ and TROS review and man did he go in on them
As unoriginal as Force Awakens was, it was genuinely entertaining for the 'comeback' movie for star wars.
Well guess what. He did save star wars. Except it
@@jesseanderson8674 No. To save it only to have it fall so goddamn far from grace that's it's virtually unrecoverable well... That's worse then saving it then dropping it.
Just found your channel recently. Thoroughly enjoy the long form essay format. Looking forward to watching this entire series.
Gonna have to wait Bruv it's not finished yet
Mauler: "But you cant force a restart, you have to put in the work"
'JJ Abrams leaves chat'
I just realized that Finn explains to Rose in the beginning that he is trying to SAVE HIS FRIEND, and she doesn't let him. This is at odds with her whole schtick, which is 'we will win by saving what we love'.
"You'll stay and die for the Rebell...I mean the Resistance and you'll like it, comrade!" - Commissar Rose Tico
@Templar Knight The entire Krait battle is full of inconsistencies which reflect the poor writing overall.
To name just a few:
Why does Rose think that colliding with Finn will save his life when there is a good chance they'll both end up dead or injured and at the mercy of the nearby TFO...?
Indeed, how does Finn make it back safely inside the base with her unconscious body when they both crash just yards from, and in full view of, the enemy?
Also, you'd expect EVERY resistance fighter (not just Finn) to be willing to sacrifice themselves to destroy that cannon, _especially after they just saw Holdo give her life for theirs, with amazing results!_ The resistance should've used those rickety old speeders as kamikaze weapons, loaded with explosives!
@Templar Knight Good god... I'm posting this on r/saltierthancrait
i have a theory (though considering the new director is going to be jj and any plans rian had will be thrown out (which is why i hope they never give another star wars trilogy (if there will be one that is) to multiple directors, they will only create a mess)) that rose is a spy for the first order. and thats why she stopped Finn. another theory i saw was that finn wouldn't have stopped the giant laser canon, and that rose was saving him from a pointless sacrifice. which is plausible, but given the themes of TLJ, which is failure (or at least thats what i got from it), that finn sacrificing himself, and it doing nothing would have been an even braver idea than killing off luke. (speaking of, if they bring back luke in the next film i will be very disappointed, they killed a character, they should stay dead. regardless of what the fans thought of it. there is no going back now, don't try and fix a mistake that is set in stone.)
@@Glassesgirl2002 The film implied that Rose also had a sister (who was piloting the bomber which blew up the dreadnought in the space battle at the start). If Rose was a First Order spy while her sister sacrificed herself for the Resistance, then that's one messed up family, but we're talking about RJ here, so you could claim he was being deliberately subversive! However, in that case, why were TFO about to execute Rose with Finn when they were captured ? Surely that would be the moment to reveal she was actually working with the enemy?
Rose did indeed crash into Finn to stop him suiciding, but as many people have pointed out, crashing into someone at full speed like that runs the risk of killing you both, so it's a strange way of trying to save someone...
I have a better theory. Maybe Rose is just crazy. A complete lunatic. That would explain a lot!
Mark Hamill is confirmed to be on the cast for Ep IX so he will definitely return but probably as some kind of Force ghost.
MauLer you fool! Think about all the ad revenue you could've gotten by making this a 96 part critique with 10 minute episodes.
Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just wanna watch the world burn.
Emotional Friend darksidemauler
The intros and outros would make it annoying to use to fall asleep, but your right. He would have probably surpassed hcbomberguys subs by now if he released his content like that.
RubenRyb66 Then he'll be just another smug postmodern asshole.
@@danielpreciado3112 "Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money"
But he still needs to buy toilet paper at some point! He should aim for more MANEY.
That one critic that said "its the best movie of the 7" should be taken out back and put next to old yella
Respect man. You came out with flames in the intro to this. I know it was years ago now. People always want to put you down when you are winning. Keep on pushing
I'm not gonna lie when you started talking about the strength of the New Republic and how the First Order should have been the weak one. I legit thought it would have been a cool story where the New Republic was hyper-vigilant against the rise of any new Imperialism to the point where the new Republic uses increasingly repressive tactics. Luke could have disappeared in protest. Leia could have risen up against the New Republic and formed a Resistance while allying with Finn, a member of the more moderate Imperial Remnant to fight against the New Republic. This is while the galaxy is on the hunt for force users because when Luke left in protest all of his students did too. All the while an influential member of the moderate Imperial Remnant Snoke, a more hardline Imperialist leader slowly gains power. So the story would be the heroes likely stuck in the moderate vacuum between extremes that usually follow civil wars...
The Legacy of the Force Saga did something similar to that, but Jacen Solo had dozen of books to develop his fall to the dark side.
@@Supremacy962 Huh I never read that series before, but now that you mention it I'll be sure to check it out!
But that wouldn't have matched hardly anyone's fan fiction
See, the problem is that wouldn't hit on the contemporary fears of the writers and people involved in hollywood productions. They needed a big scary fascist-inspired threat because these people believe such a thing to exist in the real world, and they have to warn against it because art cannot be art anymore, it must be propaganda for one side or another.
Also holy shit Mauler Senpai Noticed Me!
“And not palpatine is in charge of it”
Welp.
That became a big whoopsie.
The Year is 2050. Go to movies, it's the weekly MCU movie. Disney logo on screen. It's phase 12 of the story. Movie starts, Tobey Maguire is in a wheelchair. A burglar comes into his house, steals his Funko Pops. Tobey says "it's peterin time" (this is a reference to the hit 2022 film morbius). Also says "that sounded better in my head." He puts on his mask, the crowd screams until my ears ring. He swings at the man as he's running away. A portal opens and captain Europe steps into the scene. Tobey accidentally swings into him He says "it's all good I have healthcare". Crowd cheers, captain Europe had his own TV show in 2048 and this is a reference to his prostate exam episode in season 6 where he makes the same joke. Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield come through the portal and point at each other, making the funny Spider-Man meme again. They all start jerking each other off as the camera zooms out, revealing the Death Star and the Star Wars theme briefly plays. Crowd cheers again before the screen cuts to black and Darth Vader's laugh plays. Post credit scene shows Thanos reappear, and he says, "I'm coming for you Redditors." Crowd cheers one last time, before news sources are saying this is one of the best movies of all time. Thank you Disney for saving the film industry.
You are a gem.
@@cyrollan I'm also an idiot, but thanks.
I love your explanation of logical character writing, I get into arguments about this with people for example on villains in stories making decisions that go against their character's core motivations, many people are perfectly happy with a "bad guy" doing something "evil" and not thinking twice about whether it makes any sense from the villain's perspective
2 hours later
“How about we dive right in”
There are TH-cam live streams that mauler does w wolf and others and some run 4 hrs. Do not start listening unless you have no plans. They will pull you in
@@ronniejdio9411 Only 4 hours? Short man bad!
@@anderkickers5 We are now at streams over 11 hours long :D :O
Ronnie J Dio 4 hours is nothing
@@anderkickers5 those are live feeds. Just two dudes talking. I am aware Maulers videos on the last jedi exceed 9+ hours
I didn't realize how many delusional people there were after TFA.
I was one of them.
It is still a great movie
Marcion of Sinope delusional? It was a solid safe movie.
I was one of them for a couple weeks until the initial excitement wore off and I started thinking about it
@@darthkaithebold5151 Observation: Meatbags generally are slow to apply logic. It's what makes being a droid so great.
Really enjoyed that intro, glad I didn't skip. Binge watching this channel has been the perfect audio for listening while grinding hours away in Warframe lol.
I know this is an older video Mauler but your reviews compared to everyone else are the best on TH-cam.✊🏾
''...the clone of a movie.''
*shows Snoke*
oh boy, thhat aged beautifully with the addition of tros
Also had a cut of snoke to palpatine when asking 'who is he? Where did he come from?' Ironically in reference to snokes origins. Prediction level 100.
Like a fine wine
MooPer is clairvoyant confirmed
@@viscountrainbows6452 The Spiders told him.
"Its everything I've ever wanted in a Star Wars movie!!!!"
Then watch A New Hope and see it done correctly.
come on what drugs are you on
@@bobcrandall7749 I was on all of them.
But now I'm back to say
I stand by my original statement
& I stand with you mate 😂@@nananderson7259
*4 years later*
Man the weeks sure do fly
Almighty Welsh Longman, may we please have part 5? It's been over a year since part 4
Couldn't have imagined a better Christmas gift.
What an empty life you must lead.
@@Dragonage2ftw Your point being?
Alternative title: man talks about two paragraphs for thirty minutes, still more interesting than the actual movie
It's 2024, and this video is still as relevant as ever. We haven't learnt anything in the past 5 years at least.
I once heard something to the effect of "If art is policed or cannot be critiqued, then it's propaganda."
Feel like that applies here.
MauLer: "Yes, you did just watch me talk about the opening seconds of a movie for 30 minutes - welcome to my youtube channel"
Me: *Instantly subscribes*
Welcome, you are now a hate-monger of the toxic brood.
ID10T Error ? U wot mate
ID10T Error you massive wanker
Same
The man truly is massive
I'm not even 20 minutes in, and I just want to complement your ability to take random clips from the various movies and shows in the franchise, and make them contextually fit in to what you're saying. That's some skill right there.
That alone makes his video essays an artform
Yeah all of them kinda fit with what he says during this vid.
Indeed, and it's one of the key things that made me continue watching.
"Can we take just about any sentence from Star Wars and make it into a meme?"
*edits in clip of Jango Fett saying "perhaps"*
I guess patience is a skill, probably what most TH-camr's lack pumping out 5-10 minute videos
I can’t count how many times I have watched your critiques. Every time, I always find it amazing how I pick up something new to learn and think about. Thank you for these and keep up the good work!
Making my way through this, its long but I'm thankful it is. Such an amazing breakdown! Super impressive. I new I didn't like Force Awakens but man... You gave so many more reasons and insight and logic to it. Hats off man, nice job!
I love these little bits, 2:40:21 Mauler: "Obviously I am going to screw up here and there (video of Darth Maul falling on his arse) , but I really have given it my best shot (Darth Maul impales Qui-Gon Jin)"
The fact that something this detailed goes into +2 hour video really tells something about the level of effort that went into it.
But that's just my opinion.
I like that MauLer represents himself with Darth Maul lol. He did say the name MauLer came from Darth Maul so that makes sense. But yes, the video is full of tiny clips fitting well what he's saying.
Panda Pinecone
Your last sentence were taken from my mouth before I could even write them down here 👌
Knowing that the little things get noticed is seriously super encouraging, hehe. :) /
@@MauLerYT I just noticed that just after the clip with Darth Maul just mentioned here, when you say "we have so much to explore: lore, characters, tools, stories..." you put Quinton's face when you said "tools" LMAO that's hilarious
@@MauLerYT "I think it was good the way they did it" -B.U. Tanywayguys, 2018
"The current area to search is a planet." instantly reminded me of the scene in "Spaceballs" (1987) where troops are literally combing the desert.
That’s actually the premise of Rian Johnson’s Long-awaited Star Wars trilogy. It’s like poetry. It rhymes.
@Sith_Creepio "We ain't found shit!"
1:42:52 never did make that Unbridled Rage of Terminator Genisys
Just to brag I have watched one of your series back to back in one day. I had a 14 hour drive and your Dark Souls 2 response video took a massive chunk out of that drive lol
Dude the zings against Patrick Willems and Quinton Reviews are on point.
So damn glad Quinton has finally shown beyond all doubt how much of a pretentious twat he is. The way he dismisses all criticism as 'alt right trolls' is so damn pathetic.
@@spikesya "Jon Tron is a racist" my eyes couldn't help but roll
GRRM & Thrones Analyzed how so? make a point. I’ve seen the efaps originating every jab that was made, I have seen the full context to each of them. None of them are inaccurate.
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 Yeah, someone was harsh you can argue. But you have just dismissed all criticism of her video just because of that? Nice job. And you are the only person I see in every comment defending these idiots.
The idea that Finn would eventually have conflict with Poe after finding out he was the one who shot his stormtrooper friend is gold. I wanna see that movie.
So much potential with that set-up. But nope...they squandered that possible angle.
I wish he would have retained some of what The First Order taught him, since... Y'know, that's all he's ever known?
He calls Han Solo a "war hero" when he should instinctively bristle at the mention of the name of a filthy smuggler that aided in the crippling of one of the most influential masterpieces of planetary warfare ever designed.
He should hear "Jedi" and imagine a corrupt cult of insidious monsters that poisoned the minds of their impressionable students during their reign of tyranny.
He shouldn't be the source of goofy comic relief, he should be a radicalised man trying very hard to get over preconceived notions and never fully letting go of his Stormtrooper identity. He should be a soldier raised in a fascistic environment who is trying to become a better person.
@@eras1066 I really never realised that HUGE missed opportunity in the character of Finn. Thanks for making me see it
Where they friends though? I do not remember the movie establishing that.
Meanwhile everything mauler said has back then came true, and these fools who were defending trash back then simply can’t anymore out of good will.
On my fifth rewatch of this series and still eagerly anticipating the next installemnt - also 2:40:27 "tools" still crack me up xD
This guy is on a level of video essay completely removed from anyone else on the internet. I absolutely love these videos, and I love how incredibly lengthy and detailed they are. Never change, man. Never change.
Yep. I was hoping he would make another one of these after his Last Jedi breakdown.
Agreed, he's Tiger Woods when Tiger Woods was winning 4 majors in a row.
never change... except for the better, yeah?
He sounds great in 1.5
Well yeah he should change but for the better
I remember leaving TFA feeling like an alien. Everyone around me was losing their shit about how good they thought it was. I wasn't impressed personally, but hoped the future of the trilogy would make it better. Little did I know it was only going to get worse from there...
Same, i watched it with friends and i never really got into it and in the end it got more like a mediocre episode 4 remake with great graphics. I went out very quit and numb and everyone was hyped aswell.
Bro I left that theater clowning it immediately and nobody said shit to me. Super unimpressed. I wouldn't have gone to see it if my Aunt didn't offer to pay, I just didn't believe in Disney at all. As of the trilogy's conclusion, I'm proud to say I was right all along.
I let out a very loud and panicked "OH NO!!!" when Abrams was announced writer/director. My conversations with my trekker friends said they felt he basically ruined Star Trek, and now it was time for Star Wars. MauLer said it best in the unbridled rage of TROS: "Gorgeous, breathtaking, makes no sense. Must be a J.J. Abrams movie."
I felt the same with Avengers Endgame
I had a similar thing with TLJ. I remember thinking: "This is either somehow a 10/10 or closer to a 1/10". But i was surrounded by classmates and news articles praising it. I believed it to be true until i found Maulers video the next day.
I just discovered MauLer. And I know I mam in for a ride. This is my first video from this channel and it is more than awesome.
Lets be real, the clone wars tv series did more for star wars fans in the last 15 years than any game, film or other tv show.
It really didn't, not everyone wants to watch a show explicitly made for children with 80% filler bullshit, dave cowboy hat filoni has all you people convinced he's anything more than a hack and it's hilarious
@@HunterMagunter While you are correct that The Clone Wars was originally made for children and has a decent amount of filler, the argument can still be made that it did more for star wars fans than anything Disney has done. The sequels desmantled the lore of the star wars universe and are known for completely disrespecting not only their mutual movies in the trilogy, but the saga as a whole, in many different ways. Rogue One mostly respects the original Canon and does a decent job of expanding upon it, but I think most would agree that the clone wars did more. Same can be said for Solo and the Mandalorian. Book of Boba Fett was bad, Obi-Wan almost felt like the sequels in terms of writing quality. Bad Batch is a respectable sequel to the Clone Wars so far (we haven't seen all of it yet though). Andor was incredible, and I can't think of anything else atm. Comparing all of this to The Clone Wars, which took many prequel trilogy and original trilogy characters, expanded upon them and made them better, while also respecting the original Canon along the way. It was a groundbreaking series, despite its flaws and filler. I would say its close now with shows like Andor and Bad Batch and their one decent film Rogue One, but Clone Wars is still ahead, and thats being nice given all the crap Disney has put out in the past. Say what you want about Filoni, but he did a good job with Clone Wars
If we exclude KotOR 2 from your list, cause that game's plot is just wonderful
@@MrRandalFlagg thats true
TCW has aged incredibly poorly, watch it again
The sheer enormity of this lad.
(Thanks for the cameo, btw 1:21:51)
SENPAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ! And he put you earlier right next to HackFraudMedia nonethless, the new Plinkett.
-WhereIsTheThirdPartToYourDeathFlixReviewYouFffffuck-
Nice seeing you again E;R, it’s funny people doubted you when you made your review on TFA but in the words of our saviour Todd Howard: “Who’s laughing now?”
hey its the man himself
*PewDiePie starts breathing heavily*
Hey E;R,
You make some cool shit
Keep it up.
And Merry Christmas
"The empire is in power and not Palpatine is the head of it"
Oh boi, if only
That sentence aged well...
@@mirkohille8188 sometimes the long man seems like a prophet
Already been through the series a few times, but it’s just so good I’ll gladly do it again while waiting for the next part.
Going to be a wild ride when it’s all done.
I can't wait until 2120 when the series is finished!
2:23:28 - When Oscar Isaac is a better film critic than Quinton and Patrick Willems.
Hunter the Hunter Oscar Isaac is a great actor and I hate how this franchise has utterly squandered his talent.
@@Necron1999 Adam Driver too. He has talent and it is squandered.
I like Oscar Isaac in _Ex Machina_ and _Inside Llewelyn Davis_ + Driver's bit-part in the latter.
He’s the best character in this trilogy, too bad he got shafted in both films.
I even agree with his opinion on ROTJ. It is my favorite SWA film. Such an emotional satisfying conclusion. At least it is was for me.
"Hey, Dan, what did you think?"
"... I think it was a movie... "
JURY IS STILL OUT ON THAT...
I literally just came across that it when I read this
it was wierd watching even the most cynical people unanimously praise TFA when it came out, I don't know if it was hype or peer pressure or if everyone was just legitimately hoodwinked by a remake
@@NGRevenant
I mean the hype was insane, and the release was magical. TFA was no masterpiece, but I think people loved that it was similar to the older films. New fans were introduced via TFA, and whilst I wouldn't say TFA is a good sequel at all I think it makes sense people think it's a great movie. People just love classic Star Wars, even if it doesn't make much actual sense.
That is what I said after i saw RoSW lol
I had forgotten Frodo's mithril chest piece when it came up again.
That was tipping over on to MY side of the scale for build-up and pay-off.
It was a pleasant surprised for me.