EDIT: Timestamps included Below Hello there! I decided to make this series of videos nice and short, that's why we have a 2 hour and 42 minute intro for a movie analysis :^). Either way, the remaining parts will be released at a later date as they are not currently complete. This part works on its own as I tackle quite a few fundamental topics at the same time as covering the main world building elements of TFA and part of the opening scene. I know that many of you have taken issue with Patreon as of recently with the controversy that's still on going. I have managed to get TH-cam Membership set up as a possible alternative. If you would prefer to use that as a subscription service for support, it offers a £5 per month tier and it gives you emotes to use on the EFAP streams. If you would like to use this method, click the link and use the "Join" option on this page - gaming.th-cam.com/users/TheMauLerYT I hope you folks enjoy, this series has taken ages to put together and I cannot wait to get the whole thing out. o/ I have an audio commentary coming on New Year's Eve as well, looking forward to seeing what you guys think of both. Thank you so much for supporting this channel, Merry Christmas and have an awesome new year! Timeline edit courtesy of Sapheiron: Table of Contents: 0:00 - Montage of initial reactions to TFA 4:00 - Disclaimer 1 5:18 - The Objectivity vs Subjectivity Debate 6:23 - Clarifying MauLer's Position 7:48 - On Consistency in Fiction and Argumentation 20:30 - On the Practice of Purely Subjective Critique 49:02 - The Force Awakens Critique Proper 50:26 - Disclaimer 2 1:02:28 - Cameo 1: Caddicarus 1:05:35 - The Title Crawl: Bridging the Gap between Episodes (1:31:29 - One-Punch Man: An Unbridled Praise) 1:37:07 - The Title Crawl: Story Set-Up 1:41:36 - Worldbuilding Difficulties in Continuing a Story 1:53:55 - Cameo 2: Fringy 1:56:22 - The Opening Scene: Opening Shot and Flickering Lights 1:57:43 - A Tangent on Nitpicking 2:04:02 - The Opening Scene: No Stone left Unturned 2:21:35 - Intellectual Consistency and Emotional Resonance 2:40:19 - To be continued...
Understanding what is fundamentally wrong with even the opening words is INSANELY IMPORTANT to writers because those first words dictate one simple thing: The interest of the viewer So I am 100% here to see that, plus other pitfalls to watch out for.
In my subjective opinion the Intro about subjectivity vs objectivity could have and should have been its own video. That's just my opinion though. Also if you disagree that's just your opinion which means I'm right and you're wrong.
Oh it could, but I want it at the beginning of this series for context. I might release it separately as well through, on the mooler channel, for sharing purposes................in my suObjective obsubtive po-ninion.
I understand and in some ways agree, but I like that it's here. I like the idea of Mauler's videos being an ongoing series of commentation and therefore having a large intro here is really cool to me because it makes his content releases feel like an ongoing, multi-faceted production.
@@LH2608 it's not just TH-cam man. This is the state of the modern world. The nihilistic/post modernism view of the world has corrupted any notion of critical thinking and objectivity. It's starting to corrupt science as well. We need more people like Mauler who are willing to stand up for and teach critical thinking.
John Waters Not really. IMO it was doomed from the very beginning. They had NO plan or outline for a fucking trilogy, three different directors essentially, and the biggest reason: Kathleen Kennedy. Her terrible leadership, distaste towards legacy characters and identity politics ruined these movies. She’s never cared about Star Wars nor respecting and honoring George’s vision. These movies were for her just to shove her goddamn woke politics and feminism down our throats.
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I realized my "star wars" happened between 2005 to 2012. Its called the Dark Knight Trilogy
I think the biggest problem people actually have with Mauler is that he responds to every single thing they try to say about him and fully explains why what they're saying isn't right. Most of these people aren't used to that and expect someone to just say "no, they're wrong" and leave it at that because that's as much effort as they put into their own work
@nostalji75 that's why I didn't say that. They do put in effort but not to the extend they should when making a video to try and debunk another persons video like Harris did to Matt. He himself admits he didn't even bother fighting Darklurker in his own video. He didn't research many of the topics he's trying to correct Matt on and straight up cut and edited clips to try and make Matt look stupid. I don't expect everyone to go to the extend Mauler does but if you're going to try and "destroy" someone else's work then you need to put in the effort and Harris did not.
@@nostalji93With your reply you are basically making yourself into an example of not only the problems MauLer discussed in the video, but those same problems echo’ed in the TH-cam comment you responded to. The person you responded to said “because that’s as much effort as they put into their own work” - he did not say as you stated “hhbomberguy doesn’t put effort into his videos” - the only person who has the reading and cognitive comprehension to think hhbomberguy doesn’t put effort into his videos is YOU. The person you fallaciously responded to seems to actually think these other TH-camrs do put in effort into their videos (TH-cam videos do not magically appear, a consequence of only your thought process) all videos require some kind of effort. Often lots of effort. What was being conveyed is these TH-camrs put in effort into making their videos, but they do not put much critical thinking and logical efforts into their work, which means their effort while great equates to a work of lesser effort - and not, a work of no effort
@@notonthat "The person you fallaciously responded to" dude you are so full of yourself. Op discribed a group of people who put very little effort in their responses and creative work. Among others this group was pretty likely referring to hhbomberguy, a guy who I know puts efforts in his videos. In his case ops statement was not being true, so I asked him to be more specific. Which he was in his reply. pls no more "fallacious" comments from your side -.-
@@nostalji93given the examples provided within this very video of Hbomberguy's interactions with MauLer in relation to other content it does seem a fair assessment that the direct argumentation from him seems to be lacking, regardless of the quality of his content. This is fine, not everyone is equally skilled in direct confrontation. That all being said, assuming that a recent comment on a several years old video is in reference to an old debate/discussion does seem a bit odd. I'd argue it likely includes the likes of Southpaw and Smudboy, from what I've seen lately Edit: it is worth noting this comment was made while ignorant of the subsequent discussion following your initial reply
The argument from Quinton reviews is so telling. I remember seeing his defense of the last jedi video and the part where I felt actual anger was when he said "to everyone saying that luke would never kill a member of his own family aren't remembering the original trilogy right" and then he shows the scene of luke angrily striking vader until he cuts his hand off. Like he completely omitted the motivation of Vader threatening leia and the part where he refused to kill him after seeing him defeated and helpless. All he needed was 1 minute to let the first scene start and the last scene finish to completely nullify his point. The irony being that he needed to manipulate the footage in order to state that WE weren't remembering it right. It's like the textbook definition of gaslighting.
I personally see where Quintin was coming from, but he was a jackass about it. In episode 6, Vader poked and prodded Luke until for a brief moment, Luke tried to kill him, berating Vader with strike after strike, but then, the moment passes and Luke comes back to the light. In episode 8, Luke sees Ben Solo's future as Kylo Ren, and for a brief moment he thinks to kill Ben, but the moment passes and he returns to the light, now broken because of his moment of weakness. I see and even agree with his point about the films, but his attack against those he disagrees with really show his immaturity. Edit: Fixed spelling errors.
Exactly, like they don't understand the difference between a tense moment in the middle of an actual fight vs seeing something that might happen. Not only that, but even if I agreed Luke was an aggressive irrational man who would strike people down without thinking at that point of, literally the next fucking moment was him throwing away his lightsaber and *GREW* as a character and learned he was right for doing so when Vader chose to do the right thing in the end. So there's really no context imaginable where you can spin that scene around to make a scene where he'd kill his nephew in his sleep for something that may have come. Luke was already willing to abandon the mission on Endor to try to save his father, he's already proven to risk the Galaxy's safety for his family so why on Earth Luke, someone with his experience with family falling to the darkside, not even so much as wait a fucking day to at the very least talk to his nephew? My father, I'll at least try to reach him, but my nephew, naw gotta kill him.
@@Inactivechannel2187 You're ignoring the contextual difference between the 2 scenes. In one, Luke is in the middle of a life or death battle against someone he's only known to be a his father for just a few years, with said battle being their first encounter since Empire. Ben, meanwhile was the nephew he's seen grow up, and train. He was sleeping peacefully. Regardless of what visions he saw, there was no immediate danger. ie, no reason for turning on his lightsaber, or even thinking about killing his nephew. Remember, Ben wasn't even Kylo Ren. Anakin was Vader. This is the problem with people who believe Luke was consistent with his character in Last Jedi. They completely ignore his arc just to pick and choice certain moments that serve as "callbacks". Like the blue milk drinking in ANH, or that momentary scene of weakness during a tense moment, and clunkily placing them in this new narratives. Absolutely laughable.
@@Inactivechannel2187 I understand wanting to defend a film but he straight-up lied about a scene in order to mislead his audience against the criticism of the film. The best defense I found against that particular criticism was people saying that 30 years later Luke loses his ability to control himself and he finds himself taken by surprise by the dark side. Fine, that's a fine argument to have. It's a way to interpret the media differently and I'm able to accept that as something true to you. It's so strange to see someone lie about something that you can find on youtube. That entire scene is on youtube, I commented on his video with a link to the scene explaining exactly what I explained here as it's own comment and as a response to his comment and he deleted both of them. The people mindlessly bitching at eachother were all left in but I can't dispute an intentionally misleading statement in the video?
I hate that this comment is true. Been following the general Star Wars/“modern Hollywood critique” channels since TLJ. 7 years ago. And this has been going on since TFA was released…9 years ago. Nothing has changed except Disney doesn’t try to hide anymore. Now they put more effort into ignoring rather than slurring opposition with “ist, ism and phobe.”
More like 10, lol. Instead of listening to the fans, who are paying, Hollywood has spent more money and time trying to disguise their ineptitude and messaging as an acceptable product. If they'd have just listened they would have saved BILLIONS but they couldn't do that because they would have also had to admit that it was ALL their own fault and we KNOW they aren't gonna do that, LOL.
This guy is on a level of video essay completely removed from anyone else on the internet. I absolutely love these videos, and I love how incredibly lengthy and detailed they are. Never change, man. Never change.
But man, is it ever important to do that because there's so much gleaned from just the first four words. "Luke Skywalker has vanished." What this amounts to is that J.J. Abrams was completely incapable of the gravity and grounding necessary to actually write one of the most iconic and respected characters in the history of movies. He was more than happy to leave him completely out of the story instead of finding ways to work him into a new narrative, thus thrusting the responsibility of actually writing him onto the next director. What really makes it worse is that he ends the film in a manner that makes it impossible for his successor to repeat the feat of pushing Luke out of the story. He ends it in a way that requires Luke to immediately interact with the plot and characters that J.J. wrote. This is why you don't push a trilogy of sequential stories onto a series of different writers/directors with no advanced planning. They just push all the onus onto the next writer to solve the problems they create. And yes, the cop-out of not even giving Luke one single line of dialogue in the movie was absolutely frustrating since the whole story is largely about him, and was very obvious to many people from the first time they watched this.
I'm not even 20 minutes in, and I just want to complement your ability to take random clips from the various movies and shows in the franchise, and make them contextually fit in to what you're saying. That's some skill right there.
People on Twitter like to give you hate for how long your videos are. They fail to see the ENORMOUS amount of editing and time that must go into making these videos. The length of these videos alone makes your channel unique and I’m happy to be a part of the community that watches it. Merry Christmas my guy!
Too many people on the internet suffer from self-imposed ADD - any video over 10 minutes long and they get bored and whine, despite the quality that video provides.
Those people obviously never read any sort of literally analysis, there are far more pages discussing Hamlet than pages from the entire work of Shakespeare. The length doesn't mean anything if the quality is behind, but people those days are use to be fed up by ten minutes long video essays, with a very narrow vision of a piece of art, if not worst, an agenda oriented point of view, hence those ludicrous criticisms.
Fuck it, this critic is WAYYYY better than disney Wars films !!! Hahaha... And this Patric deserves a shovel over his face with sunglasses on it !!!! 😏
The length of his videos could be up for contention if he were to waste people's time with useless tangents across this (supposedly) 15 hour series. If I were to put my finger on why I (and maybe others, but I'll speak for only me) was initially turned off from some of his ridiculous video lengths, I would say it's because of other commentary channels with long videos that say nothing at all, in my case, Mr. Enter. I get that he's old news at this point, but Enter still remains in my mind as the perfect example on how to waste a viewer's time. Yes, I know that Enter's videos were bad for a myriad of different reasons other than length, and no, I'm not even going to begin to suggest Mauler is on the same level as him, but if there were a reason for why I haven't tuned in until now, it would probably be because of Enter and other channels like him. From what I've seen, this won't even be close to the case with Mauler, but it's something I'll keep in mind when I'm watching this behemoth of a series.
Lmao at first I read this as “[I’m] 3 years old and still a great piece of content…” and I was hella confused before I realized u were talking about the video
This is why the Thrawn Trilogy was so loved. Because the good guys did have overwhelming strength, and were a galaxy spanning Republic with massive military and logistical superiority, and the remnants of the Empire were somewhat sympathetic villains who were a small guerrilla force barely hanging on at the edges of the galaxy. The drama comes from watching our heroes being outmaneuvered and outsmarted by such an seemingly inferior force due that that weaker force possessing one key advantage, a brilliant leader whose tactical brilliance comes from his greater ability to understand and therefore predict his opponents.
Exactly, Thrawn was an awesome character. He was a ruthless bastard but intelligent. He was different than Vader and Palpatine, not just a rehash. The idea that the former Rebels had to fight against people stealing from their old playbook was interesting. That’s what people wanted I think, familiar characters in new and interesting settings passing the torch to a new generation of heroes. What got was...well...
Thinking about it, they *could* have put a new spin on the entire Empire vs. Rebellion-Story by basically turning it around: Let the New Republic be the established gouvernment and the Empires' remnants, some very fanatical diehards, be the irregular force fighting against it - but unlike the Rebellion without any qualms about hitting civilan targets or concerns about collateral damage. An ISIS-eqivalent on a galatic scale, if you will... perhaps with some sort of religion based on Emperor/Sith-worship. Some random thoughts I just made up, more interesting than the ANH-Regurgitation we ultimately got.
The people that defends it with “it’s for children” seems to forget that children don’t have over a billion dollars to spend on just a movie (and that’s disregarding the toys)
This is so true. The best children's fiction has a multi-layered nuance that allows adults to get just as much enjoyment out of it from their different perspective compared to that of someone who is very much new to this world and its cultural detritus.
I was going to say “I enjoy this series more than I enjoyed the sequel trilogy.” But that should go without saying. I’ve watched this series of critique videos more times than I’ve watched the movies. This is brilliant writing, I wish a single person working on writing the sequels had an ounce of the passion you put into these videos. Thank you, MauLer.
There was this fellow some of you might know, by the name of J.R.R. Tolkien, who said this, among many other noteworthy things, about fictional stories and universes: 'The story-maker proves a successful 'sub-creator'. He makes a Secondary World which your mind can enter. Inside it, what he relates is 'true': it accords with the laws of that world. You therefore believe it, while you are, as it were, inside. The moment disbelief arises, the spell is broken; the magic, or rather art, has failed.' He knew a bit about storytelling and world building, so I'd take his advice on this any day over that of hacks on youtube trying to tell viewers that internal consistency in fictional stories (and especially fantasy) does not matter.
I think internal consistency does matter, but that it isn't the sole arbiter of a films quality and other elements matter just as much, and sometimes internal consistency has to be sacrificed in order to benefit other elements of a piece of work. (The argument could be made that you should strive for both, which in some way I agree with, but as a writer myself these sort of tradeoffs are sometimes unavoidable) For example, in say Call of Duty 4, it strives for a level of realism, so regenerating health is entirely inconsistent with the logic of the world, however it is integral to the design, pacing and overall engagement of the player in the gameplay and without it the game would suffer. I'm not a fan of MauLer if I'm completely honest, but I would be really interested in seeing him tackle something outside his usual sphere, maybe something hugely symbolic such as Mother!, or something heavily focused on theme and message such as Sorry to Bother You, or something just strange that purposefully ignores some common rules of story telling in their medium to achieve a particular affect, such as Silent Hill 2 or some of the work of David Lynch.
@@Stateofchassis It is not and should not be the sole arbiter, but lack of consistency should be a disqualifyer. It is a requirement, to be able to enjoy. If the rest of the story is bad, then even consistency isn't enough (for instance 2003 movie "Alexander" : historically accurate, internally consistent, and a bore from beginnning to end). But I can think of no instance where without consistency a good movie has been made - non counting comedies where inconsistency is on purpose (Hitchhicker's guide to the Galaxy)
@@Cancoillotteman I totally agree that consistency isn't enough on its own to carry a story (good example by the way), but I do think there are some films which lack some internal consistency but are still great films, they are just better at getting you to suspend your disbelief over certain elements, for some reason the example that comes to mind is Toy Story, and why does Buzz Lightyear, who thinks he's a space ranger, play along with the other toys when Andy is there? or how no one actually hears Charles Foster Kanes last word in Citizen Kane, but that last word is a main driving force behind the plot
@@Stateofchassis It might hold on though I always thought it was a weakness of citizen Kane, and as to Toy Story I always thought it was sort of encoded into toys "DNA" so that even Buzz didn't know what he was doing when he stopped moving. Though then the trouble is the ending with Sid where they should not be able to move. Then again, maybe i am despite my good will just making excuses for movies that i like. But i do believe that without those inconsistencies those movies would have been better (yet with a doubt for Toy Story).
"Art is subjective, you can't judge the quality of something, as long as the creator is happy with it", is probably the most loathsome talking point i've ever come across. Here are some other great gems: "Lets see you try and do a better job" "They don't owe you anything, X doesn't belong to you" "your opinion isn't fact, as long as people enjoy it, its good" "you didn't get what you wanted out of it, so you're just being a hater" "it didn't meet your expectations" "Wah! Fans are toxic!" "You're just a bigot, stop hiding your bigotry". Any time any of this gets brought up, they've already lost the argument.
Reflex you could use that logic for literally any product ever. “You don’t have the right to criticize it, you didn’t build it” “It doesn’t matter if it’s good, it matters if people like it” “Ford doesn’t owe you anything, you don’t own Ford” I hate those arguments so much. Thank you for pointing them out.
@@toasterbathboi6298 No problem. Indeed, they are the cancer of all YT debates. StigMurcielago Funny how they don't realise that businesses can't make money if they're too busy smearing their faeces all over the property.
I have an idea for a Lord of the Rings sequel: Aragorn has disappeared and Gondor is in ruins. Meanwhile a dark lord named Jimmy has rebuilt Mordor three times more powerful than it was under Sauron but he has lost his source of power, a golden bracelet, which is then found by a young hobbit girl who with the help of Eowyn who is now a powerfull witch starts an epic journey to destroy Jimmy's bracelet.
I enjoy EFAP but, even if I didn’t, it would be a necessity evil because it and other streams is how MauLer earns a living. If he didn’t go on streams and have other MooLer content then he’d have to edit in between 9-5s. At least this way we get something else we could watch in the meantime.
@@sadeknight9112 Are they though? Granted, I don't have the data but I assumed his patreon income was what kept his lights on. Edit: Ah. I didn't think his patreon was associated with the streams, just with content uploaded on MauLer. My mistake.
I'm not gonna lie when you started talking about the strength of the New Republic and how the First Order should have been the weak one. I legit thought it would have been a cool story where the New Republic was hyper-vigilant against the rise of any new Imperialism to the point where the new Republic uses increasingly repressive tactics. Luke could have disappeared in protest. Leia could have risen up against the New Republic and formed a Resistance while allying with Finn, a member of the more moderate Imperial Remnant to fight against the New Republic. This is while the galaxy is on the hunt for force users because when Luke left in protest all of his students did too. All the while an influential member of the moderate Imperial Remnant Snoke, a more hardline Imperialist leader slowly gains power. So the story would be the heroes likely stuck in the moderate vacuum between extremes that usually follow civil wars...
See, the problem is that wouldn't hit on the contemporary fears of the writers and people involved in hollywood productions. They needed a big scary fascist-inspired threat because these people believe such a thing to exist in the real world, and they have to warn against it because art cannot be art anymore, it must be propaganda for one side or another.
MauLer thank you for not following the idea that 15 minutes is the longest a TH-cam video should be. Some people, like me, work alone, and love nothing more than a video that chews up hours. Thank you sir.
SENPAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ! And he put you earlier right next to HackFraudMedia nonethless, the new Plinkett. -WhereIsTheThirdPartToYourDeathFlixReviewYouFffffuck-
Nice seeing you again E;R, it’s funny people doubted you when you made your review on TFA but in the words of our saviour Todd Howard: “Who’s laughing now?”
My attention span when creating anything is so fragmented, I can't fathom how you outline and write videos like this. Yours is a level of thoroughness unmatched in anything I've seen on TH-cam in the area of entertainment.
I have the deepest respect for anyone willing to not give even the slightest of fucks and make extremely long, bulletproof essays. Your quest to vanquish reductivism in the most thorough way possible is both noble and entertaining. Thanks for the Christmas gift, Jared.
Same here. I've always hated the complaint that an analytical essay is too long, when those very same people complain not enough information was given to justify "Hating/Loving" a subject.
I think it comes from the misconception that "paying off reviewers for good reviews" means that studios like Disney are physically handing reviewers a big pile of cash and saying give it a good review. This isn't the case, most studios operate in a more subtle indirect way. Most reviewers for shows, films, video games, etc are given early access privileges from studios so they can get their reviews out earlier and generate views which generates their revenue. Without said privileges, reviewers would have to wait until the products come out to the mass public therefore losing their step ahead of the competition. These privileges can be taken away, especially if said studios or companies are displeased at the review. So in a way, Reviewers are paid off and subtly encouraged to give good reviews or risk losing their early access privileges.
@@Vossenator Absolutely, this needs to be more widely understood. Videos take time to make and edit but the few days immediately following release of a movie or game is when the vast majority of views are up for grabs. To lose early access is HUGELY damaging to a content creator. As such, they must toe the line and be incredibly careful with any criticism they offer, if any, to ensure that access is maintained. ETA - this also applies, possibly even more so, to people who review expensive goods but an understanding of that dynamic is more common.
I'm new to your site. I respect how hard you obviously work on your content. Thanks for not contributing to the dumbing down of this platform. I appreciate you.
I'm 15 minutes in, and nearly all he has done is talk about other reviewers. I get what he's saying but come on man, wrap it up. Don't stoop to their level, just make your review. Now I'm nearly 20 minutes in and it's the same. I wanted to give it more time before posting this. Rise above the pettiness and just make solid content. Ignore the trolls...unless that's your thing and I'm wasting my time watching this.
@@jdunnatl yeah it's difficult to take huh. Just skip to the 105:00 in point that he provided. His film criticism is actually very good and well-crafted, especially for TH-cam.
I just realized that Finn explains to Rose in the beginning that he is trying to SAVE HIS FRIEND, and she doesn't let him. This is at odds with her whole schtick, which is 'we will win by saving what we love'.
@Templar Knight The entire Krait battle is full of inconsistencies which reflect the poor writing overall. To name just a few: Why does Rose think that colliding with Finn will save his life when there is a good chance they'll both end up dead or injured and at the mercy of the nearby TFO...? Indeed, how does Finn make it back safely inside the base with her unconscious body when they both crash just yards from, and in full view of, the enemy? Also, you'd expect EVERY resistance fighter (not just Finn) to be willing to sacrifice themselves to destroy that cannon, _especially after they just saw Holdo give her life for theirs, with amazing results!_ The resistance should've used those rickety old speeders as kamikaze weapons, loaded with explosives!
i have a theory (though considering the new director is going to be jj and any plans rian had will be thrown out (which is why i hope they never give another star wars trilogy (if there will be one that is) to multiple directors, they will only create a mess)) that rose is a spy for the first order. and thats why she stopped Finn. another theory i saw was that finn wouldn't have stopped the giant laser canon, and that rose was saving him from a pointless sacrifice. which is plausible, but given the themes of TLJ, which is failure (or at least thats what i got from it), that finn sacrificing himself, and it doing nothing would have been an even braver idea than killing off luke. (speaking of, if they bring back luke in the next film i will be very disappointed, they killed a character, they should stay dead. regardless of what the fans thought of it. there is no going back now, don't try and fix a mistake that is set in stone.)
@@Glassesgirl2002 The film implied that Rose also had a sister (who was piloting the bomber which blew up the dreadnought in the space battle at the start). If Rose was a First Order spy while her sister sacrificed herself for the Resistance, then that's one messed up family, but we're talking about RJ here, so you could claim he was being deliberately subversive! However, in that case, why were TFO about to execute Rose with Finn when they were captured ? Surely that would be the moment to reveal she was actually working with the enemy? Rose did indeed crash into Finn to stop him suiciding, but as many people have pointed out, crashing into someone at full speed like that runs the risk of killing you both, so it's a strange way of trying to save someone... I have a better theory. Maybe Rose is just crazy. A complete lunatic. That would explain a lot! Mark Hamill is confirmed to be on the cast for Ep IX so he will definitely return but probably as some kind of Force ghost.
The Mary Sue writing was on the wall in this movie. Did Kylo Ren ever stop a blaster bolt after this movie? No! Was Rey over-powered and oddly skilled in this movie for no good reason? Yes.
@@bluemutt9964 It's just movie spectacle, that's why. Makes absolutely zero sense in terms of plot or world-building, but it looks cool - and that was Disney's only real priority with these movies.
I will never get tired of Mark Hamill passive-agressive attitude these last years. You gotta love that man's bravery in the face of an evil corporation such as Disney.
Alternatively it's depressing and sad to watch, it's like he was trapped in a nightmare that he couldn't escape, you can hear the sadness and defeat in his voice.
I've been battling with this for a couple years now. Is Star wars pro war or anti war? Is it progressive or religious and traditional? What propaganda value does sci Fi have in a modern setting
@@floydbaker2240 I think you are overthinking it. Sometimes a piece of media just is, without a aim of propaganda or wanting to say something about society.
@@blade8741 George Lucas was very opinionated and outspoken though, the thing is he kinda flip flops too and fro when discussing the ideas behind Star wars. But he flip flops with passion and zeal lol
Dav Free Aquaman really isn’t as bad a DC movie as people make it out to be. You really gotta watch the movie and judge it for yourself instead of the opinions of everyone else
@@EricGraham94 I plan to see it. And Bumblebee. Without Bay and G1 designs, I wanna see how it does... But this vids about the length of time it takes to to drive there and watch a movie. Maybe tomorrow
Table of Contents: 0:00 - Montage of initial reactions to TFA 4:00 - Disclaimer 1 5:18 - The Objectivity vs Subjectivity Debate 6:23 - Clarifying MauLer's Position 7:48 - On Consistency in Fiction and Argumentation 20:30 - On the Practice of Purely Subjective Critique 49:02 - The Force Awakens Critique Proper 50:26 - Disclaimer 2 1:02:28 - Cameo 1: Caddicarus 1:05:35 - The Title Crawl: Bridging the Gap between Episodes (1:31:29 - One-Punch Man: An Unbridled Praise) 1:37:07 - The Title Crawl: Story Set-Up 1:41:36 - Worldbuilding Difficulties in Continuing a Story 1:53:55 - Cameo 2: Fringy 1:56:22 - The Opening Scene: Opening Shot and Flickering Lights 1:57:43 - A Tangent on Nitpicking 2:04:02 - The Opening Scene: No Stone left Unturned 2:21:35 - Intellectual Consistency and Emotional Resonance 2:40:19 - To be continued...
Wouldn't say that..... We found out Jedi are Suicidal. Two took themselves out with the force. Heck Force users more often than not commit suicide with the force. Luke, Leia..... Palpatine and Kylo. Yoda kind of did.
Whether you agree or disagree with MauLer’s points, can we all appreciate the effort going into this? Between writing the script, recording and editing the audio, and comping it with the visuals (not to mention that the first video alone is almost three hours long). Quite a lengthy and time consuming project.
GRRM & Thrones Analyzed Aw. It’s been a while since I came across someone on the internet who was 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 braindead. There’s a different TH-cam for the mentally challenged, my son.
You notice how when Adam Driver says "Nothing" all the cast members laugh like idiots and Mark Hamill just sits there dejectedly thinking "My god these people are stupid..."
I think Adam Driver's got a good head on his shoulders. He just made a massive mistake by signing up for Disney Wars. At least he's professional about it and doesn't lash out at people who dislike the movies. I think he, like Mark Hamill, knows that The Last Jedi is a shitty movie and that's why he said that the audience would get nothing out of it. He just said it in a diplomatic way because, unlike Mark Hamill, he doesn't have a massive fanbase to back him up if he calls out Dicksney for their stupidity.
@@tomnorton4277 It is true that Adam Driver and the guy who plays Poe have handled all of the backlash well. That's also a very interesting read on why he said "nothing". I hope that you're correct and that he is just making the best out of a bad situation. Plus it would mean he was cheekily trolling Rian XD
THANK YOU for acknowledging the wasted potential of Finn. A turncoat stormtrooper was a BRILLIANT idea, rife with dramatic potential. And it's completely squandered by the first scene.
Anthony Echo Imagine if JJ Abrams ideas of stormtroopers turning against their own side and joining their enemy after seeing their friends gunned down by the enemy were true for soldiers in real wars here on earth.
A turncoat stormtrooper is hell of a concept. So good they actually made a full videogame about it: Jedi Outcast. Cant even rip off the extended canon right lol
@Adrijana Radosevic You did not look closely at my initial statement. Re-read it carefully. Then, re-watch the first few minutes of Force Awakens. The "moment of truth" for Finn is when his best friend trooper literally dies in his arms (gunned down by Poe, no less). That friend's bloody hand leaves a bloody track down Finn's Stormtrooper helmet. THIS IS THE MOMENT where Finn SHOULD BE ENRAGED at the Resistance fighter who killed his best friend!!!!!!!! Finn should be charging and shooting at the individual who gunned this friend down!!!!!! Instead, Finn switches to the side of the individual who killed his best friend. THIS IS THE PART THAT I FIND STUPID and INCREDULOUS! This does not happen in war time. Everything you state in your response is true - yes, Nazi Generals did plot to kill Hitler and some - SOME - Nazis questioned the morality of what they were doing. I need you to focus on the events portrayed in TFA and in my response. Poorly written movie!! FInn COULD HAVE BEEN an AMAZING CHARACTER!!! Thanks for the correspondence! It has been a pleasure to discuss this logically with you :)
Because JJ didn't make it on purpose that the idea. He nor think neither focus about this idea at first. He just did that and that's it. If ever he made this on puspose, he would fill that coat turning, strenghten it. Or maybe he wouldn't, maybe I'm wrong and he is just an unskilful useless.
When I was thirteen, I spent a solid 2 1/2 hours explaining one 22 minute episode of Sailor Moon to my older brother, and it's now a treasured memory for both of us, almost a quarter of a century later. Who says long reviews are inherently bad?
Plenty of people hold the "long = bad" sentiment, unfortunately. The only argument they seem to make is that they don't have time to watch the videos in one sitting. I guess they don't understand how pausing works.
@Claudio Salazar I mean, "stupid or incompetent" did apply to many of the Sailors, Serena in particular XD But I think it actually helped serve a bigger picture there that being "stupid" was a flaw that could be overcome in other ways (like being a dependable friend, to paraphrase the english opening theme) rather than being something which defined your total worth as a person. Sort of like how Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star did a great job of showing the disparity between healthy masculinity vs the "tough guy"
@@Sara_Feingold I never really thought of Serena/Usagi as being stupid. She was just lazy and didn't apply herself. Which is actually a hallmark of many anime/manga protagonists, both shoujo and shonen.
I remember leaving TFA feeling like an alien. Everyone around me was losing their shit about how good they thought it was. I wasn't impressed personally, but hoped the future of the trilogy would make it better. Little did I know it was only going to get worse from there...
Same, i watched it with friends and i never really got into it and in the end it got more like a mediocre episode 4 remake with great graphics. I went out very quit and numb and everyone was hyped aswell.
Bro I left that theater clowning it immediately and nobody said shit to me. Super unimpressed. I wouldn't have gone to see it if my Aunt didn't offer to pay, I just didn't believe in Disney at all. As of the trilogy's conclusion, I'm proud to say I was right all along.
I let out a very loud and panicked "OH NO!!!" when Abrams was announced writer/director. My conversations with my trekker friends said they felt he basically ruined Star Trek, and now it was time for Star Wars. MauLer said it best in the unbridled rage of TROS: "Gorgeous, breathtaking, makes no sense. Must be a J.J. Abrams movie."
I had a similar thing with TLJ. I remember thinking: "This is either somehow a 10/10 or closer to a 1/10". But i was surrounded by classmates and news articles praising it. I believed it to be true until i found Maulers video the next day.
MauLer: "Yes, you did just watch me talk about the opening seconds of a movie for 30 minutes - welcome to my youtube channel" Me: *Instantly subscribes*
The idea that Finn would eventually have conflict with Poe after finding out he was the one who shot his stormtrooper friend is gold. I wanna see that movie.
I wish he would have retained some of what The First Order taught him, since... Y'know, that's all he's ever known? He calls Han Solo a "war hero" when he should instinctively bristle at the mention of the name of a filthy smuggler that aided in the crippling of one of the most influential masterpieces of planetary warfare ever designed. He should hear "Jedi" and imagine a corrupt cult of insidious monsters that poisoned the minds of their impressionable students during their reign of tyranny. He shouldn't be the source of goofy comic relief, he should be a radicalised man trying very hard to get over preconceived notions and never fully letting go of his Stormtrooper identity. He should be a soldier raised in a fascistic environment who is trying to become a better person.
I think the ultimate subversion for that scene would be Finn explaining that he realized he was on the wrong side when his friend/squadmate died in his arms after some Rebel sniped him while raiding the village... and Poe going silent before apologizing because he's the one who shot the squadmate. After that, it's awkward but they're called up for something important or there's an emergency, and they have to work together/with the other Rebels/good guys to win, and by the end of the movie they come to an understanding that it's one of the horrors of war, that Poe shot one of Finn's friends, but that Finn isn't going to hold a grudge because they were enemies at the time, and Poe is going to have to live with the regret that he killed someone who was Finn's friend. Which could be tied into Finn becoming a Jedi, with his forgiveness of Poe being one of the confirmations that he has exactly the qualities needed to be a Jedi Master, while Rey shows more and more anger as Palpatine's ghost takes more and more control of her because she wants power NOW, ultimately leading to Finn and Luke bringing Rey back from the Dark Side by Luke being convinced that an absolute forbidding of love/attachment doesn't work, and it's how that attachment is handled that matters more. And it hurts that something I'm basically writing on the fly is better than the actual Star Wars. Heck, toss in that Kylo was actually a deep cover agent and Han Solo was dying due to exposure to some toxin that's rare but deadly, with Kylo killing Han being a mercy from a slow death by poisoning AND a way to fake being loyal to Snoke. That would explain why Kylo gets so many First Order of Fries soldiers killed, and messes that part of the plans up, AND it would give a big subversion to the good and evil sides, as Kylo would rejoin the light side in part 3, and have to atone for his deep cover operation to kill Snoke and root out the Sith Ghost of Palpatine.
So damn glad Quinton has finally shown beyond all doubt how much of a pretentious twat he is. The way he dismisses all criticism as 'alt right trolls' is so damn pathetic.
GRRM & Thrones Analyzed how so? make a point. I’ve seen the efaps originating every jab that was made, I have seen the full context to each of them. None of them are inaccurate.
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 Yeah, someone was harsh you can argue. But you have just dismissed all criticism of her video just because of that? Nice job. And you are the only person I see in every comment defending these idiots.
I don't know if you will ever see this comment, MauLer, but I really appreciate all the work you put in this. I would like to respond. Because if you do ever see this comment among your thousands of comments, I want to share with you that I love Star Wars, like many others. It is a beautiful world where the characters have shown me the journey of humanity... no matter where you are or who you are. The story of Star Wars became a deep emotional investment for me as a child, and it has stayed with me throughout adulthood. I remember Star Wars like it was a close friend. And the Star Wars today isn't the Star Wars that I had loved so much as a child. And that's my opinion. I admit that. And others can have whatever opinions they want. I find no offense in their beliefs. And, hopefully, neither will others find offense to my own beliefs. You argue something interesting: emotional attachment has blinded many of us. A bit like the Dark Side. Where we are willing to compromise the truth and attack others to defend one's own position about an issue. You've delivered so many beautifully articulated and fairly objective arguments that I walked away thinking "Doesn't the current state of Star Wars reflect so much about the condition of our own society? It's many political, religious, and moral issues?" You referenced in this introduction video of how Just Write was talking about Game of Thrones and you applied it to Star Wars at around 2:25:30, and you showed how it can be applied alongside your critique of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Well, I would really like to point out that much of your viewpoint can be applied to a broader picture of our society. Your thoughts have spoken to me so clearly, and, though it has helped me understand my negative emotions toward the current state of Star Wars, you have really opened up my mind to how the world in itself has been acting. The new generation of Star Wars has been a breeding ground, a battle zone, a stage... for our society to show their faces and it hasn't been a pretty sight. And, I guess, what I'm trying to say is... it's not just Star Wars that is the problem, but that all of us maybe are to blame. There is nothing wrong with emotions. I mean, that's why we really do anything. I'm assuming that's why you spent so much time making this critique. That's why others respond so aggressively. That's why I have bothered to write this when no one will read it. But you have taught me what I can do with my emotions. I guess you are the Jedi Master here, benevolently teaching us how to harness our emotions into something more positive and productive. So thank you, MauLer. I'm so glad I have found your channel. You have found yourself a loyal subscriber. Best of luck to you, and I hope your future brings you all the best.
My thoughts exactly, very well written, Kevin Hwang. As rational person, an aspiring writer, and as a professional in sciences, I really appreciate this channel and how much effort goes into it. In my professional work, I get daily reminders of how subjective and hypocritical people can get and how much this compromises their ability to grow and learn and do this thing called science. I find it incredibly frustrating, but these conversations need to keep happening or we'll only regress. Beautifully articulated. Well done, MauLer.
Excellent comment, minus the self-deprecating "no one will read this" bunk. There are many channels where being long winded automatically gets you overlooked. MauLer's clearly isn't one of them.
I know I’m super later to the party, but thank you. I really appreciate your video and the time you put into this. This helps me realize that there are reasonable people on the internet. Well done sir
You know you've successfully gotten to people when they can't punch back with anything more than "Wow look at this nerd! He actually put down time on his analysis!"
@@johnkramer2144 Too many do. On twitter, his comment section, r/moviescirclejerk, and much more. The best part, is that these people have two arguments. 1. ''Ur video is long and therefore bad''. And 2. ''MauLer says this/thinks this'', the ''this'' being a strawman, and when a fan of MauLer calls them out they say ''Lol you think I'd watch it?''.
I'm glad to hear that I'm not crazy, I've felt like half the critique channels these days just explain what's on screen, talk about it being cool or MAH THÉMES BRUV and move on.
@@TheTendermen Sad how themes are used as a defense of movies. It makes the word sound stupid when themes really can be important/meaningful. But that's just my objectively subjective opinionated opinion.
Imagine being made fun of for putting an absurd amount of research and effort into your videos, because you want to make quality, correct content that you are passionate about. Can't find a much more blatant sign that you're doing something right.
@@Jwubbz101 Condensing points is not always a good idea, in post secondary and in the professional world its expected that you properly explain and flesh out your arguments while maintaining focus and clearly stating the focus at the beggining. Condensing points too far can harm the overall argument. The key is to strike a good balance. If a simply condensed my sales report to a few lines such as "Failed to form a lasting rapport" me professor would have failed me despite that being what happened. Instead i expanded my points to include context and supporting information.
@@austin3600 If you have an attention span of ten minutes like probably Jwubbz here has, it's not easy no progress in your mind a 2+ hours essay. We should pity him.
I am commenting here again because I find this video very helpful and educational, and my grasp on writing terminology and logic has slightly improved since I last watched this, and knowing the things I know now, I am enjoying the first half of this video even more. When Mauler is citing examples from other creators using the "humans are emotional and not logical" argument to debunk logic as a metric for film critique, I remembered a term I had recently encountered. There is a term that is used to describe the human tendency to have lapses in logic. That term is "logical human fallibility". I just find that ironic and a little funny. When writing human characters then, a writer is still beholden to logic when creating a character that actually feels human. Because they have to assess how humans with certain emotional histories act in response to certain situations in order to create a character that acts and reacts in a believable way. The illogical nature of humans when they are emotional is something that can be logically assessed, and the knowledge gained from that assessment can be used to write believable characters, it can be used to help people, and it can also be weaponized. See Return of the Jedi for example. Vader makes good use of his own knowledge of logical human fallibility as he is toying with Luke in their duel toward the end of the film. He knows that Luke is vulnerable to emotional manipulation. He knows that he can compromise Luke's logic and get him to take actions that are contradictory to Luke's own goals, and he succeeds. He threatens to turn Luke's sister, and it works. Luke attacks, very aggressively, despite his intentions toward his father being explicitly peaceful as he states himself multiple times. Luke does eventually resist, but not before reducing Vader to the same helpless state that Vader had reduced him to in the previous film. In the audience, we know Luke should not fight. We know he should not try to kill Vader, but in all likelihood, most of us probably don't fault him at all for that. Because most of us are logical enough and empathetic enough to place ourselves in his position and know that we would likely make the same mistake. It is the logic we use to assess and make sense of emotion that allows us to understand Luke's actions even though those actions themselves lack logic. It is that same logical process that Vader exploits to get him to take that action in the first place. It is logical human fallibility. Basically, this is just a different way of articulating what the long man already articulated in this video years ago. That is to say that no, characters do not have to always act logically. Yes. They can make mistakes, and for the sake of a good narrative, they should make mistakes. But they better be mistakes that work within the confines of logical human fallibility. If Spider-Man is explicitly established to have a ridiculously high capacity for sensing danger. He should never once be caught off guard by a drunken, stumbling rhinoceros unless his spider sense has been somehow compromised. And to be more relevant to this series and in agreement with the long man, Luke Skywalker, a man who threw his weapon away in the name of peace while faced with death at the hands of the single most evil man in the galaxy, a man who defied the suggestions from his own Jedi trainers to kill the source of the evil, should never and would never attempt to murder his own nephew because he thinks he detects a faint hint of evil somewhere within the scent of Ben Solo's farts. To call TLJ's writing contradictory would be a massive understatement. In fact the sentence I wrote before this one was itself a massive understatement. Anyway. That is all. Disney Star Wars is depressingly abysmal.
Allow me to express my gratitude for having one of the few people I actually respect on this site tackle the topic of critiquing art intended for children and that its' implied right for lazyness should not be tolerated. I've been meticulously trying to destroy this stereotype for 2 years on my channel, and it always feels like not enough people are fighting for it as well.
I don't even understand why people consider Star Wars a "for children" thing since the OT was 41 years ago and most of its fans are adults who turned their kids into fans and those kids are in their 20's. The new movies feature innocent people getting murdered via firing squad. Finn watches someone die in front of him as he rubs blood on his helmet, we see a bunch of dudes get devoured by space mouth-demons, Han Solo gets stabbed in the gut, Rey and Po are tortured, Finn is slashed up his spine, Leia is jettisoned into space, and Luke milks a fucking space elephant-giraffe from the tit. They say it's art made for children but yet the movie has such subtle and complex themes that apparently nobody understands. It's for children so don't look at it critically but in order to understand it you need to use critical thinking. Like animal rights over saving children and killing people who do mean stuff to you and shut up and do what your told no matter how suicidal it seems and it's only acceptable to sacrifice yourself if you're old. So subtle and complex when they basically shout it at you how terrible rich people are for the entire 45 minutes of the Kanto Bite segments. Very subtle theme about letting go of the past when Kylo literally says "let the past die." Kubo and the Two Strings is a childrens film who's story was well done (minus it's hilariously bad ending) that explores complex themes of humanity without having it's head shoved up its own ass blaring it's message through a megaphone. The story is based around the theme. It picked a theme and wrote a story to match that theme. TLJ wrote a story and had to plot magic it's themes in. Like, all the parts that have the "complex themes" are the worst parts of the film. They don't even feel like they're a part of the same film.
Franklin Turtleton Yeah, it’s possibly the only way to make your story’s themes fail to give their message as much as it does in TLJ: -Un-relatable, PC crap messages no-one connects to ‘cuz *DO YOU EVEN FUCKING KNOW WHY WE BOTED FOR TRUMPS, JAR JAR ABRAMS, JESUS FUUUCK ?!?* -Making the story/plot BEFORE putting the themes, as you say; which basically nobody in film-making industry does, not even the bad script writers, or directors, since no-one naturally think of a plot BEFORE, or just NOT WHILE, coming up with the themes, and messages; I don’t even think amateurs or students make that mistake when they come up with their own complete stories; This means that Jar Jar (and Ryan) couldn’t even get that right..... *awesome*
I have a huge problem with the role of fin that no one seems to talk about: It’s reveled later in the movie that he was first a sanitation worker on the star killer base (which was a secret base) He then becomes a frontlines soldier while starkiller is still (somewhat) secret. So your telling me: they would take someone who worked on a secret base and knew about its inner workings, and make him a frontlines soldier who could potentially be captured and interrogated for information? Excuse me what?
and in TLJ he washed the floor of snokes capital ship. what a coincidence. I have a explanation for you. He wasn't for killing on the planet of the opening scene. He was there to clean up the dirt! That's why he was so shellshocked when his buddy died. First he had to clean that shit alone, second Have you ever tried to clean blood? And that helmet was full of it. Fuck that. Betrayer time!
Damp potato #36 Finns backstory is trash, and doesn’t make sense. Unless they use elite front line soldiers, who have been trained since birth to fight, as cleaning and sanitation staff when they are not doing soldiery things...
Which one did fin do, sanitation on starkiller base, or mopping the floor of the breaker room on the supremacy? Goddamit movie tell me this story properly!
"I cannot think of a bigger waste of time than debating art" Bruh, art *is* a debate. It offers in some cases truth, or criticism, or fantasy, and comparison or change can come from something like "Damn I like this world how can I make my real life more like this" or "Wow I never thought to look at it that way, maybe theres something to be found in my life in that same vein that I might work to change" or "This art makes me appreciate certain aspects of my life more that I had otherwise not been shown to be personally important yet" idk
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As I was listening to your discussion about objectivity and being open to discussion and criticism reminds me of my favorite quote of all time: The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves while wiser people are so full of doubts.
That's a shame, because you should be willing to make that very, very small sacrifice in return for a huge amount of excellent, free content like this. Either that or buy TH-cam Red.
@@johnnymuen4948 I don't know Brave browser, but I view TH-cam ads because it pays money to creators who would otherwise earn considerably less money for the hundreds of hours of work they put into the content I consume.
*"Many of these guys can't help but feel a woman who is serving as teacher to a male hero as anything other than preachy, annoying or emasculating."* One of my favourite characters from Star Wars (Kotor 2 to be precise) is exactly like that, several leagues more preachy even, and I love her for it. Maybe if Rian had written a better character instead of projecting his high school fantasies into Rose she'd be appreciated, too.
Kreia is one of my favorites too. She had such a unique and interesting perspective of the force. Speaking of that game, when they were talking about Luke being cut off from the force in TLJ, I instantly thought of Kotor 2. Honestly, I was even expecting Rey to be revealed to be some kind of force leech (or "wound") like the Exile was and was unknowingly draining the force from people she interacted with, which could've explained why Rey became so powerful so quickly.
Mirrors my experience with the first TLJ footage I saw. I swear I was ready for Luke to go down her ideaological path when he mentioned that ominous *"It's time for the Jedi to end."* Instead it was just an uncle trying to strike down his nephew while he slept. Talk about a disappointment. I was already bummed by the similarities to IV in TFA, but TLJ just cemented that they don't really care about interesting ideas, only Hollywood sugar rush moviemaking which becomes worse and worse with each subsequent viewing.
PBMusiko - Absolutely. Kreia is one of the most complex and brilliantly written characters in the SW Universe."Force Leech" is actually exactly how I would describe Rey, zero effort, maximum Force :p
Disney made the EU non-canon. How ironic that just about everything they created in the past 5 years is considered non-canon by even people that liked The Last Jedi.
Really enjoyed that intro, glad I didn't skip. Binge watching this channel has been the perfect audio for listening while grinding hours away in Warframe lol.
If there's anything I've learned from the title crawl of TFA, for a team wanting to establish a female presence in Star Wars, by saying that the First Order rose in Luke's absence, they've undermined Leia's role in toppling the empire, and now with this her newly established republic leadership, she'd have snuffed these idiots out the moment she caught wind of them. Way to go Kennedy and crew, you've been quite progressive...
@@DemonicRemption yeah she's princess Leia she should be at the head of the republic, gathering all their support. Meanwhile in the movies the republic is basically missing and impotent.
@@ralcogaming7674 That shows that Kathleen Kennedy knows nothing about the franchise she inherited. I mean I'm a casual fan who's seen only the prequels and Clone Wars. And yet because I've interacted with the fandom and watched Star Wars videos on TH-cam, I know as much as I typed in my original comment... Yet this shriveled hag has the keys to the f*cking kingdom and she doesn't know DICK! Like you said, Leia should be head of this new republic, gathering their support... But that's infuriating to think as I type this that in order to give that nostalgia fest of a film in TFA, Leia had to be undermined and reduced to "General..." So you combine that with Kennedy's ignorance of the franchise, and these neanderthals have the gall to blame the fans for the franchise failing as it is now...?
@Snob Jockey he shows the time stamp in the video as well. Personally though I think that it's important that people get called out on their BS. A lot of the people he referred to contradicted themselves multiple times in their own videos lol
I have never been a follower of someone or something. But that does not prevent me from admitting that MauLer is brilliant. He gets it. Hats off to MauLer.
I do (because these critiques are often not only spot-on but also hilarious)... but at the same time I don't. You see, until just over a year ago, Ep.IX was the movie I anticipated the most. Hell, there was a time I was honestly like: 'Let WW3 or the Alien Invasion happen, but not until after this trilogy is completed!" Then TLJ came and slapped the rose-tinted glasses off my head and I stopped caring. Yeah, part of me isnt looking forward to these critiques because a part of me is heartbroken about how SW went south this quickly.
Respect man. You came out with flames in the intro to this. I know it was years ago now. People always want to put you down when you are winning. Keep on pushing
I just remember when I saw the trailers for this, thinking how lame it was that there were still people in Stormtrooper costumes and no advancements in the ships beyond X-Wings over the course of 30 years. Like you say, it ignored the endless possibilities and made the universe very small. No progress was made other than splitting up the characters people were excited to see on screen together again. Now we can never have a movie with Han, Luke, and Leia in a scene together again... and they had all of them available for this.
Kaiju Soshingeki I don’t think technology really advances in the Star Wars universe. I think it just fluctuated back and forth and for 1000’s of years it’s been relatively the same.
@@TCR2025 Taking on the Starkiller base with 12 X-Wings was ridiculous. They had a whole fleet of different ships against the Death Star in Return of the Jedi. 30 years later they forgot that Y-Wings, V-Wings, and B-Wings were the bomber ships. "Has anyone who made this movie even played Rogue Squadron?"
The problem with The Force Awakens is not so much the classic characters not being together, I suppose they tought of them as The Beatles. The problem is all caused by hiw The Force Awakens thought entirely inside the box, not a single new thing on it. Leaving people thinking only inside the box and leaving people completely unprepared for the amazing outside of the box thinking of The Last Jedi. Because TFA made them think predictable
You know what Star Wars story had the Empire as the underdog and the Republic as the ones in power, but was still able to make an extremely impressive story out of it? The Thrawn trilogy. Thrawn was able to, through cunning plans and strategies, turn a fledgling Empire into a threat that was close to defeating the newly formed Republic. But since Disney shot the old cannon in the back of the head, I guess that story does not matter even if they ripped Thrawn out of said story and brought him back because they realized they fucked up.
DIsney/JJ: "We have to get rid of the old EU because we don't want to be stuck telling the same old stories about Thrawn and the Yuuzhon Vong. We want to tell all new stories." Fans: "Okay, well, I guess that's a steep price, but we'll accept it. So, what new stories have you got for us?" Disney/JJ: "I'm going to copy and paste Episode 4, but with more lens flare"
Eyeball Paul Perhaps a superfluous statement, but there are many people who simply don’t think about the concept that criticism can and may need to be applied to everything. If everything can be used to raise the awareness of another, and all it takes is a superfluous statement, is it truly superfluous?
As I watch these years after they were made, it still amazes me how easily I start a mauler megavid and suddenly I feel surprised as 2-3 hours have gone by in a matter of seconds. Mauler, you are amazing.
“Brevity is the soul of wit.” This line is said by Polonius in Hamlet. Context is everything here. Polonius is a selfish buffoon and is known for rambling on. Therefore, even if this was good advice, which it is not, he does not ever follow it. He gets quoted frequently without people realizing that within the context of the play, we know to NOT listen to him. For instance, another famous line of his is “To thine own self be true.” This could be wisdom if it weren’t for the fact that Polonius is self-serving and views that as the key to his success. So, it has a much more greedy and apathetic meaning. It’s the equivalent of “I have to watch out for number one” and not “Follow your heart” or “Be yourself” as it is often misrepresented. His death is largely due to this quality. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time because he was trying to ingratiate himself with Claudius. Moral of the story, MauLer - take your damn sweet time and do the job right!
Polonius NEVER gives one piece of bad advice. Get the Burton "Hamlet" with Hume Cronyn playing Polonius, you will never look at that character the same way again.
@@paulschulte8651 It's interesting how a performance can change something like that. When I was 9, my dad took me to see Hamlet with David Tennant. Since then I have always seen Claudius as a sympathetic character because of the brilliant way Patrick Stewart played him.
I mean, that doesn't change the fact that some people (not MauLer) go on for way too fucking long in some videos; I recall one guy who kept making 20 minute videos when 10 would have easily sufficed. In general, you shouldn't make reviews and the like longer for no reason, but that should be obvious. Basically, what I'm saying is that, despite the origins of the quote, it's still applicable in plenty of situations; most people used it as a shorthand for "this should be shorter" anyway, and that's true in many situations (not this one).
I had no idea that people genuinely think "if the review is longer than the film then its a bad review". As someone who has studied films proper in depth reviews are usually always longer than the film. We would spend an entire 2hours talking and dissecting 1 scene in a film.
That blew my mind. But I guess it makes sense. People want to hear 10 minute reviews or they can't follow. It's sad that he needed an entire hour to blow them up before even starting.
I watch this guys "Tbskyen" who takes a hour to discuss one 3 minute league of legends short. And I am not bored for a single second since he points out lots of details or techniques I didn't even notice!
@@colboy1fish he talks for an hour about a single champion splash art. I don't like the guy (I heavily disagree with his politics which he sadly often shoves) but his analysis is very insightful for anyone interested in visual design of art and film.
it was wierd watching even the most cynical people unanimously praise TFA when it came out, I don't know if it was hype or peer pressure or if everyone was just legitimately hoodwinked by a remake
@@NGRevenant I mean the hype was insane, and the release was magical. TFA was no masterpiece, but I think people loved that it was similar to the older films. New fans were introduced via TFA, and whilst I wouldn't say TFA is a good sequel at all I think it makes sense people think it's a great movie. People just love classic Star Wars, even if it doesn't make much actual sense.
I wish the first hour of this was its own video. I feel like people are going to skip it because it's essentially a tangent to the main subject, but it has so much that needs to be heard.
Watching that analysis again it hit me: This story reads like a pre-written adventure for a pen-and-paper role playing game. When you look down the protagonists, what they do and how they do it, and more importantly who does what, it more and more feels like this is what a role playing party would do. With Rey being played by the GMs girlfriend.
I personally disagree. Me and my friends play DnD, and are far more consistent with our characters than this. Fuck, I once had one of my characters slowly growing insane from being burdened with the chains of command, and you could see his descending spiral into insanity over time. Calling the new Trilogy equivalent to tabletop adventure games is degrading to the players who spend so much effort into crafting a believable and consistent world and characters inside it.
@@AdrianLeeGod Sorry for writing a novel, but we are at the point now where the story of a trilogy of films written by professional directors and script-writers in one of the most important series is easily trumped by a few people playing around a table, rolling dice, and generally making on the spot actions, probably waiting on the pizza they ordered to arrive. And I mean no disrespect by that. Even if the story of a tabletop is shoddy, if the people playing it have characters that bounce off of other characters, in a decent or maybe even poor story, it is at least a character driven story, which I believe is a better story than one where the characters are dragged along by the plot. Star Wars Sequels have a story that drags the characters along. And while tabletop games have a story developed by the DM, the people playing develop characters that actively participate in the story and make decisions that their characters would, following a story because thats the path their charcters would follow. And certain actions could even change the story overall if the DM is ambitious. Feels more genuine. In any case, Star Wars should have been character driven, but the characters in it weren't interesting in the first place, something tabletop games don't have an issue with.
@@AdrianLeeGod I think the point @0x777 is making is that the point of playing what is essentially DnD is to enjoy a good story between characters we want to see and play as and enjoy drama and conflict between them, and to sometimes prefer involvement and continuation of these things over an abrupt end in favor of perfecting continuity and logic. In writing this Star Wars movie it does feel as tho priorities are on having characters we want participate in as much story and drama as possible even at the cost of things that MauLer values in good filmmaking. In filmmaking you get to go back and refine your script over and over, and it seems that a lot of the basically "unlucky coincidences" are more of lazy bridges for the sake of having some script and feel as though events in the story were decided by something that could be compared to a dice roll rather than to experienced writers and teams of professionals
Glad you mentioned that Poe killed Finn’s friend on the battlefield and how weird it was to see Finn befriend Poe not too much later. I pointed this out to many of my friends and acquaintances shortly after the theatrical release and no one took me seriously. Now, with your mentioning of it, that moment truly is a problem of payoff and should have come up later in the film. You can’t just kill your friend’s best friend and get away with it in a story this small.
@@lennynero8614 You say that I am *now* right, but I was never actually wrong and it was never an argument. This is an event that actually happens in the movie itself that no one seemed to catch on to that could have (and probably should have) come up later in the film. While I never once talked about my family in the original comment (only some friends and acquaintances), you are right about one thing: my family does not remember or care about this event. They also do not care about anything that happened in this movie, as TFA killed SW for my family members that saw it. Since then, SW and media in general have never come up at any family gatherings I have been to.
Just one of a host of plot holes and sloppy editing and writing that only got worse and more pronounced as time passed. We got so many things going on but no payoff and worse just a shambles of a movie.
Agreed. Lots of lazy inconsistencies like this in the film. See also: Chewie casually walking past Leia after his best friend/her husband has just died.
I remember all the hype before TFA and then all the various theory’s for The Last Jedi. Like who was Rey’s parents? Who is Snoke? Why did Kylo turn to the dark Side? Why is Rey so powerful with the force? How did The First Order come into power? I couldn’t care less now after seeing The Last Jedi.
EDIT: Timestamps included Below
Hello there!
I decided to make this series of videos nice and short, that's why we have a 2 hour and 42 minute intro for a movie analysis :^).
Either way, the remaining parts will be released at a later date as they are not currently complete. This part works on its own as I tackle quite a few fundamental topics at the same time as covering the main world building elements of TFA and part of the opening scene.
I know that many of you have taken issue with Patreon as of recently with the controversy that's still on going. I have managed to get TH-cam Membership set up as a possible alternative. If you would prefer to use that as a subscription service for support, it offers a £5 per month tier and it gives you emotes to use on the EFAP streams. If you would like to use this method, click the link and use the "Join" option on this page - gaming.th-cam.com/users/TheMauLerYT
I hope you folks enjoy, this series has taken ages to put together and I cannot wait to get the whole thing out. o/
I have an audio commentary coming on New Year's Eve as well, looking forward to seeing what you guys think of both. Thank you so much for supporting this channel, Merry Christmas and have an awesome new year!
Timeline edit courtesy of Sapheiron:
Table of Contents:
0:00 - Montage of initial reactions to TFA
4:00 - Disclaimer 1
5:18 - The Objectivity vs Subjectivity Debate
6:23 - Clarifying MauLer's Position
7:48 - On Consistency in Fiction and Argumentation
20:30 - On the Practice of Purely Subjective Critique
49:02 - The Force Awakens Critique Proper
50:26 - Disclaimer 2
1:02:28 - Cameo 1: Caddicarus
1:05:35 - The Title Crawl: Bridging the Gap between Episodes
(1:31:29 - One-Punch Man: An Unbridled Praise)
1:37:07 - The Title Crawl: Story Set-Up
1:41:36 - Worldbuilding Difficulties in Continuing a Story
1:53:55 - Cameo 2: Fringy
1:56:22 - The Opening Scene: Opening Shot and Flickering Lights
1:57:43 - A Tangent on Nitpicking
2:04:02 - The Opening Scene: No Stone left Unturned
2:21:35 - Intellectual Consistency and Emotional Resonance
2:40:19 - To be continued...
MauLer Merry Christmas and happy holidays! 👍🏿
Rhino milk!!!!!
Merry Christmas Skull on Wheels
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Oh yeah, Merry Xmas dear sir. Keep up the good work. I'll keep supporting you on Patreon, as it's still a convenient piece of platform. Cheers!
"Yes, you did just watch me talk about the opening seconds of a movie for 30 minutes"
That's...why I'm here.
1:37:01 😂
Understanding what is fundamentally wrong with even the opening words is INSANELY IMPORTANT to writers because those first words dictate one simple thing:
The interest of the viewer
So I am 100% here to see that, plus other pitfalls to watch out for.
@@ArlanKels
Same here, the more time analysing the better understanding you have of the media, thus it is easier to ground your own opinions about it.
This is the way.
Couldn't have said it any better!👍😊
In my subjective opinion the Intro about subjectivity vs objectivity could have and should have been its own video. That's just my opinion though. Also if you disagree that's just your opinion which means I'm right and you're wrong.
But, like, that's just your opinion, man.
Oh it could, but I want it at the beginning of this series for context. I might release it separately as well through, on the mooler channel, for sharing purposes................in my suObjective obsubtive po-ninion.
I was gonna say the same thing as SinsSins. Honestly that first hour is a great little analysis on the state of TH-cam. Think it's important.
I understand and in some ways agree, but I like that it's here. I like the idea of Mauler's videos being an ongoing series of commentation and therefore having a large intro here is really cool to me because it makes his content releases feel like an ongoing, multi-faceted production.
@@LH2608 it's not just TH-cam man. This is the state of the modern world. The nihilistic/post modernism view of the world has corrupted any notion of critical thinking and objectivity. It's starting to corrupt science as well. We need more people like Mauler who are willing to stand up for and teach critical thinking.
“Thank you JJ Abrams, for saving Star Wars.”
That one uh... yea, that one actually hurt a bit. That one really stung..
*Meanwhile TROS laughs maniacally in the background*
And of course, it was pissed Jose.
John Waters Not really.
IMO it was doomed from the very beginning. They had NO plan or outline for a fucking trilogy, three different directors essentially, and the biggest reason: Kathleen Kennedy. Her terrible leadership, distaste towards legacy characters and identity politics ruined these movies.
She’s never cared about Star Wars nor respecting and honoring George’s vision. These movies were for her just to shove her goddamn woke politics and feminism down our throats.
I realized my "star wars" happened between 2005 to 2012.
Its called the Dark Knight Trilogy
Yessss
I think the biggest problem people actually have with Mauler is that he responds to every single thing they try to say about him and fully explains why what they're saying isn't right. Most of these people aren't used to that and expect someone to just say "no, they're wrong" and leave it at that because that's as much effort as they put into their own work
I don't think it is fair to say people like hhbomberguy doesn't put effort into his videos.
@nostalji75 that's why I didn't say that. They do put in effort but not to the extend they should when making a video to try and debunk another persons video like Harris did to Matt. He himself admits he didn't even bother fighting Darklurker in his own video. He didn't research many of the topics he's trying to correct Matt on and straight up cut and edited clips to try and make Matt look stupid. I don't expect everyone to go to the extend Mauler does but if you're going to try and "destroy" someone else's work then you need to put in the effort and Harris did not.
@@nostalji93With your reply you are basically making yourself into an example of not only the problems MauLer discussed in the video, but those same problems echo’ed in the TH-cam comment you responded to.
The person you responded to said “because that’s as much effort as they put into their own work” - he did not say as you stated “hhbomberguy doesn’t put effort into his videos” - the only person who has the reading and cognitive comprehension to think hhbomberguy doesn’t put effort into his videos is YOU. The person you fallaciously responded to seems to actually think these other TH-camrs do put in effort into their videos (TH-cam videos do not magically appear, a consequence of only your thought process) all videos require some kind of effort. Often lots of effort. What was being conveyed is these TH-camrs put in effort into making their videos, but they do not put much critical thinking and logical efforts into their work, which means their effort while great equates to a work of lesser effort - and not, a work of no effort
@@notonthat "The person you fallaciously responded to"
dude you are so full of yourself.
Op discribed a group of people who put very little effort in their responses and creative work. Among others this group was pretty likely referring to hhbomberguy, a guy who I know puts efforts in his videos. In his case ops statement was not being true, so I asked him to be more specific.
Which he was in his reply.
pls no more "fallacious" comments from your side -.-
@@nostalji93given the examples provided within this very video of Hbomberguy's interactions with MauLer in relation to other content it does seem a fair assessment that the direct argumentation from him seems to be lacking, regardless of the quality of his content. This is fine, not everyone is equally skilled in direct confrontation.
That all being said, assuming that a recent comment on a several years old video is in reference to an old debate/discussion does seem a bit odd. I'd argue it likely includes the likes of Southpaw and Smudboy, from what I've seen lately
Edit: it is worth noting this comment was made while ignorant of the subsequent discussion following your initial reply
Do not under any circumstances skip the intro. MauLer has summed up the biggest issue with video essay creators. But that's just my opinion.
I see what you did there... 👍
Oh yeah? Well in my opinion the Jedi are evil.
I agree.. and that's a fact.. in my opinion.
@@joshuatree206 when then you are lost, in my opinion
Thats, like, just your opinion man.
The argument from Quinton reviews is so telling. I remember seeing his defense of the last jedi video and the part where I felt actual anger was when he said "to everyone saying that luke would never kill a member of his own family aren't remembering the original trilogy right" and then he shows the scene of luke angrily striking vader until he cuts his hand off. Like he completely omitted the motivation of Vader threatening leia and the part where he refused to kill him after seeing him defeated and helpless. All he needed was 1 minute to let the first scene start and the last scene finish to completely nullify his point. The irony being that he needed to manipulate the footage in order to state that WE weren't remembering it right. It's like the textbook definition of gaslighting.
I personally see where Quintin was coming from, but he was a jackass about it. In episode 6, Vader poked and prodded Luke until for a brief moment, Luke tried to kill him, berating Vader with strike after strike, but then, the moment passes and Luke comes back to the light. In episode 8, Luke sees Ben Solo's future as Kylo Ren, and for a brief moment he thinks to kill Ben, but the moment passes and he returns to the light, now broken because of his moment of weakness. I see and even agree with his point about the films, but his attack against those he disagrees with really show his immaturity.
Edit: Fixed spelling errors.
Exactly, like they don't understand the difference between a tense moment in the middle of an actual fight vs seeing something that might happen. Not only that, but even if I agreed Luke was an aggressive irrational man who would strike people down without thinking at that point of, literally the next fucking moment was him throwing away his lightsaber and *GREW* as a character and learned he was right for doing so when Vader chose to do the right thing in the end.
So there's really no context imaginable where you can spin that scene around to make a scene where he'd kill his nephew in his sleep for something that may have come. Luke was already willing to abandon the mission on Endor to try to save his father, he's already proven to risk the Galaxy's safety for his family so why on Earth Luke, someone with his experience with family falling to the darkside, not even so much as wait a fucking day to at the very least talk to his nephew? My father, I'll at least try to reach him, but my nephew, naw gotta kill him.
@@Inactivechannel2187 You're ignoring the contextual difference between the 2 scenes. In one, Luke is in the middle of a life or death battle against someone he's only known to be a his father for just a few years, with said battle being their first encounter since Empire. Ben, meanwhile was the nephew he's seen grow up, and train. He was sleeping peacefully. Regardless of what visions he saw, there was no immediate danger. ie, no reason for turning on his lightsaber, or even thinking about killing his nephew. Remember, Ben wasn't even Kylo Ren. Anakin was Vader. This is the problem with people who believe Luke was consistent with his character in Last Jedi. They completely ignore his arc just to pick and choice certain moments that serve as "callbacks". Like the blue milk drinking in ANH, or that momentary scene of weakness during a tense moment, and clunkily placing them in this new narratives. Absolutely laughable.
He sounds as disingenuous as EC Henry.
@@Inactivechannel2187 I understand wanting to defend a film but he straight-up lied about a scene in order to mislead his audience against the criticism of the film. The best defense I found against that particular criticism was people saying that 30 years later Luke loses his ability to control himself and he finds himself taken by surprise by the dark side. Fine, that's a fine argument to have. It's a way to interpret the media differently and I'm able to accept that as something true to you.
It's so strange to see someone lie about something that you can find on youtube. That entire scene is on youtube, I commented on his video with a link to the scene explaining exactly what I explained here as it's own comment and as a response to his comment and he deleted both of them. The people mindlessly bitching at eachother were all left in but I can't dispute an intentionally misleading statement in the video?
"The best movie out of the seven"
*The ability to speak does not make you intelligent*
You can tell people were very overhyped because it was the first Starwars movie in years.
@@petery6432 to be fair, this was half the time that people had to wait compared to tpm (and that still got trashed)
some critics actually liked tpm when it came out
@UTubeFekUrself "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty."
@UTubeFekUrself demonic?
It's 2024, and this video is still as relevant as ever. We haven't learnt anything in the past 5 years at least.
Based
I hate that this comment is true.
Been following the general Star Wars/“modern Hollywood critique” channels since TLJ. 7 years ago. And this has been going on since TFA was released…9 years ago. Nothing has changed except Disney doesn’t try to hide anymore. Now they put more effort into ignoring rather than slurring opposition with “ist, ism and phobe.”
More like 10, lol. Instead of listening to the fans, who are paying, Hollywood has spent more money and time trying to disguise their ineptitude and messaging as an acceptable product. If they'd have just listened they would have saved BILLIONS but they couldn't do that because they would have also had to admit that it was ALL their own fault and we KNOW they aren't gonna do that, LOL.
@@Too_Many_Eyes man it's almost like he put a timestamp to when he starts talking about the movie
This guy is on a level of video essay completely removed from anyone else on the internet. I absolutely love these videos, and I love how incredibly lengthy and detailed they are. Never change, man. Never change.
Yep. I was hoping he would make another one of these after his Last Jedi breakdown.
Agreed, he's Tiger Woods when Tiger Woods was winning 4 majors in a row.
never change... except for the better, yeah?
He sounds great in 1.5
Well yeah he should change but for the better
>2 hours and 45 minutes
>Part 1 of 6
OH BOY
GET HYPE BITCH
Let the next five installments be just as long!
*ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!!*
Quantum Leap theme song begins.
Erection.
"Star Wars: The Force Awakens is being called the film of a generation."
God, that hurts my soul.
Have you met the more recent generations? It's probably true xD. Justin Beaver and Mily Cyprus are things.
Every generation trashes the younger one. I m a millennial.. But this is not the movie for my generation. Sorry
It was an error, it's suppose to be "degeneration"
Marshomon then came the last jedi...
@Marshomon - Well said.
"Thank you J.J. Abrams for saving Star Wars"
That one didn't age quite so well.
No, it most certainly did not 😂
It aged like milk
*Spends more than 30 minutes on the opening crawl*
BOI THIS IS GONNA BE GREAT!
NOW THIS IS PODRACING
It is great
But man, is it ever important to do that because there's so much gleaned from just the first four words.
"Luke Skywalker has vanished."
What this amounts to is that J.J. Abrams was completely incapable of the gravity and grounding necessary to actually write one of the most iconic and respected characters in the history of movies. He was more than happy to leave him completely out of the story instead of finding ways to work him into a new narrative, thus thrusting the responsibility of actually writing him onto the next director.
What really makes it worse is that he ends the film in a manner that makes it impossible for his successor to repeat the feat of pushing Luke out of the story. He ends it in a way that requires Luke to immediately interact with the plot and characters that J.J. wrote. This is why you don't push a trilogy of sequential stories onto a series of different writers/directors with no advanced planning. They just push all the onus onto the next writer to solve the problems they create.
And yes, the cop-out of not even giving Luke one single line of dialogue in the movie was absolutely frustrating since the whole story is largely about him, and was very obvious to many people from the first time they watched this.
I'm not even 20 minutes in, and I just want to complement your ability to take random clips from the various movies and shows in the franchise, and make them contextually fit in to what you're saying. That's some skill right there.
That alone makes his video essays an artform
Yeah all of them kinda fit with what he says during this vid.
Indeed, and it's one of the key things that made me continue watching.
"Can we take just about any sentence from Star Wars and make it into a meme?"
*edits in clip of Jango Fett saying "perhaps"*
I guess patience is a skill, probably what most TH-camr's lack pumping out 5-10 minute videos
People on Twitter like to give you hate for how long your videos are. They fail to see the ENORMOUS amount of editing and time that must go into making these videos.
The length of these videos alone makes your channel unique and I’m happy to be a part of the community that watches it. Merry Christmas my guy!
Too many people on the internet suffer from self-imposed ADD - any video over 10 minutes long and they get bored and whine, despite the quality that video provides.
I find it almost funny when people complain of the length of his videos because that is exactly why I like them.
Those people obviously never read any sort of literally analysis, there are far more pages discussing Hamlet than pages from the entire work of Shakespeare.
The length doesn't mean anything if the quality is behind, but people those days are use to be fed up by ten minutes long video essays, with a very narrow vision of a piece of art, if not worst, an agenda oriented point of view, hence those ludicrous criticisms.
Fuck it, this critic is WAYYYY better than disney Wars films !!! Hahaha... And this Patric deserves a shovel over his face with sunglasses on it !!!! 😏
The length of his videos could be up for contention if he were to waste people's time with useless tangents across this (supposedly) 15 hour series. If I were to put my finger on why I (and maybe others, but I'll speak for only me) was initially turned off from some of his ridiculous video lengths, I would say it's because of other commentary channels with long videos that say nothing at all, in my case, Mr. Enter. I get that he's old news at this point, but Enter still remains in my mind as the perfect example on how to waste a viewer's time.
Yes, I know that Enter's videos were bad for a myriad of different reasons other than length, and no, I'm not even going to begin to suggest Mauler is on the same level as him, but if there were a reason for why I haven't tuned in until now, it would probably be because of Enter and other channels like him.
From what I've seen, this won't even be close to the case with Mauler, but it's something I'll keep in mind when I'm watching this behemoth of a series.
3 years old and still a great piece of content. Thanks man
In “yOuR oPiNiOn”😂
Agreed
Lmao at first I read this as “[I’m] 3 years old and still a great piece of content…” and I was hella confused before I realized u were talking about the video
It's captivating just going through the introduction. Not sure if I should watch this first, or his The Last Jedi videos first though.
4 years now, still great
This is why the Thrawn Trilogy was so loved. Because the good guys did have overwhelming strength, and were a galaxy spanning Republic with massive military and logistical superiority, and the remnants of the Empire were somewhat sympathetic villains who were a small guerrilla force barely hanging on at the edges of the galaxy. The drama comes from watching our heroes being outmaneuvered and outsmarted by such an seemingly inferior force due that that weaker force possessing one key advantage, a brilliant leader whose tactical brilliance comes from his greater ability to understand and therefore predict his opponents.
The decision to not make a Trilogy out of the Thrawn books will forever be a mystery to me.
Exclamation: The old material worked on building worlds.
Statement: The new meatbags love vomiting stories up.
He uses his empathy to destroy his enemies
Exactly, Thrawn was an awesome character. He was a ruthless bastard but intelligent. He was different than Vader and Palpatine, not just a rehash. The idea that the former Rebels had to fight against people stealing from their old playbook was interesting. That’s what people wanted I think, familiar characters in new and interesting settings passing the torch to a new generation of heroes. What got was...well...
Thinking about it, they *could* have put a new spin on the entire Empire vs. Rebellion-Story by basically turning it around: Let the New Republic be the established gouvernment and the Empires' remnants, some very fanatical diehards, be the irregular force fighting against it - but unlike the Rebellion without any qualms about hitting civilan targets or concerns about collateral damage. An ISIS-eqivalent on a galatic scale, if you will... perhaps with some sort of religion based on Emperor/Sith-worship.
Some random thoughts I just made up, more interesting than the ANH-Regurgitation we ultimately got.
*_We're hitting video essay levels that shouldn't even be possible_*
omg.......their over 9000!!!
I CAN'T READ HIS POWER LEVEL
We've gone to Plaid!!!!
Power, unlimited power!
No ... we are hitting levels that shouldn't be NECESSARY.
*“A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.” C.S. Lewis*
The people that defends it with “it’s for children” seems to forget that children don’t have over a billion dollars to spend on just a movie (and that’s disregarding the toys)
….in my opinion
This is so true. The best children's fiction has a multi-layered nuance that allows adults to get just as much enjoyment out of it from their different perspective compared to that of someone who is very much new to this world and its cultural detritus.
Preach
@@mikeexits the original animated batman series! A perfect example!
I was going to say “I enjoy this series more than I enjoyed the sequel trilogy.” But that should go without saying.
I’ve watched this series of critique videos more times than I’ve watched the movies.
This is brilliant writing, I wish a single person working on writing the sequels had an ounce of the passion you put into these videos.
Thank you, MauLer.
Unless you were an EU fan lol
>3 Hours
>For just the first part
Godspeed you magnificent bastard
Too short imo. The intro should be its own video.
Intro ends at 1:05:06 (or something I can't remember)
God bless this ungodly longman!
The Last Three Star Wars Films:
The Force Awakens,
The Force Get Tired,
The Force Goes Back To Sleep.
But that is just your opinion
Johanna_ Jelly r/whooosh
That joke flew right over your head my friend
@Johanna_ Jelly no I was joking on the half the video talking about the just your opinion
Johanna_ Jelly No, you are ;)
@@sebastianb.3978 Don't be cringey bud
There was this fellow some of you might know, by the name of J.R.R. Tolkien, who said this, among many other noteworthy things, about fictional stories and universes:
'The story-maker proves a successful 'sub-creator'. He makes a Secondary World which your mind can enter. Inside it, what he relates is 'true': it accords with the laws of that world. You therefore believe it, while you are, as it were, inside. The moment disbelief arises, the spell is broken; the magic, or rather art, has failed.'
He knew a bit about storytelling and world building, so I'd take his advice on this any day over that of hacks on youtube trying to tell viewers that internal consistency in fictional stories (and especially fantasy) does not matter.
Thank you
I think internal consistency does matter, but that it isn't the sole arbiter of a films quality and other elements matter just as much, and sometimes internal consistency has to be sacrificed in order to benefit other elements of a piece of work. (The argument could be made that you should strive for both, which in some way I agree with, but as a writer myself these sort of tradeoffs are sometimes unavoidable)
For example, in say Call of Duty 4, it strives for a level of realism, so regenerating health is entirely inconsistent with the logic of the world, however it is integral to the design, pacing and overall engagement of the player in the gameplay and without it the game would suffer.
I'm not a fan of MauLer if I'm completely honest, but I would be really interested in seeing him tackle something outside his usual sphere, maybe something hugely symbolic such as Mother!, or something heavily focused on theme and message such as Sorry to Bother You, or something just strange that purposefully ignores some common rules of story telling in their medium to achieve a particular affect, such as Silent Hill 2 or some of the work of David Lynch.
@@Stateofchassis It is not and should not be the sole arbiter, but lack of consistency should be a disqualifyer. It is a requirement, to be able to enjoy. If the rest of the story is bad, then even consistency isn't enough (for instance 2003 movie "Alexander" : historically accurate, internally consistent, and a bore from beginnning to end). But I can think of no instance where without consistency a good movie has been made - non counting comedies where inconsistency is on purpose (Hitchhicker's guide to the Galaxy)
@@Cancoillotteman I totally agree that consistency isn't enough on its own to carry a story (good example by the way), but I do think there are some films which lack some internal consistency but are still great films, they are just better at getting you to suspend your disbelief over certain elements, for some reason the example that comes to mind is Toy Story, and why does Buzz Lightyear, who thinks he's a space ranger, play along with the other toys when Andy is there? or how no one actually hears Charles Foster Kanes last word in Citizen Kane, but that last word is a main driving force behind the plot
@@Stateofchassis It might hold on though I always thought it was a weakness of citizen Kane, and as to Toy Story I always thought it was sort of encoded into toys "DNA" so that even Buzz didn't know what he was doing when he stopped moving. Though then the trouble is the ending with Sid where they should not be able to move.
Then again, maybe i am despite my good will just making excuses for movies that i like. But i do believe that without those inconsistencies those movies would have been better (yet with a doubt for Toy Story).
“Not Palpatine is the head of it” Oh my sweet summer child
lmao yeah
"Art is subjective, you can't judge the quality of something, as long as the creator is happy with it", is probably the most loathsome talking point i've ever come across. Here are some other great gems:
"Lets see you try and do a better job"
"They don't owe you anything, X doesn't belong to you"
"your opinion isn't fact, as long as people enjoy it, its good"
"you didn't get what you wanted out of it, so you're just being a hater"
"it didn't meet your expectations"
"Wah! Fans are toxic!"
"You're just a bigot, stop hiding your bigotry".
Any time any of this gets brought up, they've already lost the argument.
Reflex you could use that logic for literally any product ever.
“You don’t have the right to criticize it, you didn’t build it”
“It doesn’t matter if it’s good, it matters if people like it”
“Ford doesn’t owe you anything, you don’t own Ford”
I hate those arguments so much. Thank you for pointing them out.
*In my subjective opinion*
A few more
"It's just cosmetic."
"Gamers are just entitled."
"Businesses exist to make money."
@@toasterbathboi6298 No problem. Indeed, they are the cancer of all YT debates.
StigMurcielago Funny how they don't realise that businesses can't make money if they're too busy smearing their faeces all over the property.
I have an idea for a Lord of the Rings sequel: Aragorn has disappeared and Gondor is in ruins. Meanwhile a dark lord named Jimmy has rebuilt Mordor three times more powerful than it was under Sauron but he has lost his source of power, a golden bracelet, which is then found by a young hobbit girl who with the help of Eowyn who is now a powerfull witch starts an epic journey to destroy Jimmy's bracelet.
Does Aragorn milk a cave troll at some point?
@@jacobsabastian3871 Yes, he sticks to troll-fluids since few years back he got drunk and tried to kill Legolas' and Gimli's adopted son.
I'm going to steal this.
Ok, not bad idea.
Matti Kunnas disney will buy
"That's right ladies and gentlemen. We have good Star Wars movies now!"
... That did not age well.
Sure as hell didn't
“Thank you JJ Abrams for saving Star Wars”
It’s outrageous it’s unfair!
The only downside of EFAP being a thing is that we are getting fewer Unbridled essays.
Been saying this for years 😢
@@Garek_GeorgeYou and me both. It's particularly irritating for the viewer who considers EFAP a substandard podcast.
womp womp@@MeansofIntrigue
I enjoy EFAP but, even if I didn’t, it would be a necessity evil because it and other streams is how MauLer earns a living. If he didn’t go on streams and have other MooLer content then he’d have to edit in between 9-5s. At least this way we get something else we could watch in the meantime.
@@sadeknight9112 Are they though? Granted, I don't have the data but I assumed his patreon income was what kept his lights on.
Edit:
Ah. I didn't think his patreon was associated with the streams, just with content uploaded on MauLer. My mistake.
I'm not gonna lie when you started talking about the strength of the New Republic and how the First Order should have been the weak one. I legit thought it would have been a cool story where the New Republic was hyper-vigilant against the rise of any new Imperialism to the point where the new Republic uses increasingly repressive tactics. Luke could have disappeared in protest. Leia could have risen up against the New Republic and formed a Resistance while allying with Finn, a member of the more moderate Imperial Remnant to fight against the New Republic. This is while the galaxy is on the hunt for force users because when Luke left in protest all of his students did too. All the while an influential member of the moderate Imperial Remnant Snoke, a more hardline Imperialist leader slowly gains power. So the story would be the heroes likely stuck in the moderate vacuum between extremes that usually follow civil wars...
The Legacy of the Force Saga did something similar to that, but Jacen Solo had dozen of books to develop his fall to the dark side.
@@Supremacy962 Huh I never read that series before, but now that you mention it I'll be sure to check it out!
But that wouldn't have matched hardly anyone's fan fiction
See, the problem is that wouldn't hit on the contemporary fears of the writers and people involved in hollywood productions. They needed a big scary fascist-inspired threat because these people believe such a thing to exist in the real world, and they have to warn against it because art cannot be art anymore, it must be propaganda for one side or another.
Also holy shit Mauler Senpai Noticed Me!
MauLer thank you for not following the idea that 15 minutes is the longest a TH-cam video should be. Some people, like me, work alone, and love nothing more than a video that chews up hours. Thank you sir.
Same, full work days of his calming and informed voice
brice cate agreed! 15 minute reviews are ruined!
The sheer enormity of this lad.
(Thanks for the cameo, btw 1:21:51)
SENPAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ! And he put you earlier right next to HackFraudMedia nonethless, the new Plinkett.
-WhereIsTheThirdPartToYourDeathFlixReviewYouFffffuck-
Nice seeing you again E;R, it’s funny people doubted you when you made your review on TFA but in the words of our saviour Todd Howard: “Who’s laughing now?”
hey its the man himself
*PewDiePie starts breathing heavily*
Hey E;R,
You make some cool shit
Keep it up.
And Merry Christmas
My attention span when creating anything is so fragmented, I can't fathom how you outline and write videos like this. Yours is a level of thoroughness unmatched in anything I've seen on TH-cam in the area of entertainment.
Alternative title: man talks about two paragraphs for thirty minutes, still more interesting than the actual movie
"I actually *can* use quotes instead of inventing them."--MauLer 2018, and still comic gold three years later.
*cries in still waiting for part 4*
@@royalblue5367 lol but for real when is he going to?
@@sambrainard3487 probably after gdelb and snyders justice league: an unbridled rampage
@@blazefa. gdelb?
@@royalblue5367 yes
I have the deepest respect for anyone willing to not give even the slightest of fucks and make extremely long, bulletproof essays. Your quest to vanquish reductivism in the most thorough way possible is both noble and entertaining. Thanks for the Christmas gift, Jared.
Same here. I've always hated the complaint that an analytical essay is too long, when those very same people complain not enough information was given to justify "Hating/Loving" a subject.
Jared is a miracle
EXACTLY
Gary King Okay... Go on.
Aye! A great Christmas gift, indeed!
Patrick saying that Disney doesn't pay reviewers is extra funny now.
I think it comes from the misconception that "paying off reviewers for good reviews" means that studios like Disney are physically handing reviewers a big pile of cash and saying give it a good review.
This isn't the case, most studios operate in a more subtle indirect way. Most reviewers for shows, films, video games, etc are given early access privileges from studios so they can get their reviews out earlier and generate views which generates their revenue. Without said privileges, reviewers would have to wait until the products come out to the mass public therefore losing their step ahead of the competition. These privileges can be taken away, especially if said studios or companies are displeased at the review. So in a way, Reviewers are paid off and subtly encouraged to give good reviews or risk losing their early access privileges.
@@Vossenator Absolutely, this needs to be more widely understood. Videos take time to make and edit but the few days immediately following release of a movie or game is when the vast majority of views are up for grabs. To lose early access is HUGELY damaging to a content creator. As such, they must toe the line and be incredibly careful with any criticism they offer, if any, to ensure that access is maintained. ETA - this also applies, possibly even more so, to people who review expensive goods but an understanding of that dynamic is more common.
I'm new to your site. I respect how hard you obviously work on your content. Thanks for not contributing to the dumbing down of this platform. I appreciate you.
It's my subjective opinion. :) thx for all the great content. I appreciate the debate.
I'm 15 minutes in, and nearly all he has done is talk about other reviewers.
I get what he's saying but come on man, wrap it up. Don't stoop to their level, just make your review.
Now I'm nearly 20 minutes in and it's the same. I wanted to give it more time before posting this.
Rise above the pettiness and just make solid content. Ignore the trolls...unless that's your thing and I'm wasting my time watching this.
@@jdunnatl yeah it's difficult to take huh. Just skip to the 105:00 in point that he provided. His film criticism is actually very good and well-crafted, especially for TH-cam.
I would sincerely like to know the source of the video at 1:04:00 - I must see the original. I cannot believe his blindness.
@@maxfrank13 Thanks! Much appreciated!
I just realized that Finn explains to Rose in the beginning that he is trying to SAVE HIS FRIEND, and she doesn't let him. This is at odds with her whole schtick, which is 'we will win by saving what we love'.
"You'll stay and die for the Rebell...I mean the Resistance and you'll like it, comrade!" - Commissar Rose Tico
@Templar Knight The entire Krait battle is full of inconsistencies which reflect the poor writing overall.
To name just a few:
Why does Rose think that colliding with Finn will save his life when there is a good chance they'll both end up dead or injured and at the mercy of the nearby TFO...?
Indeed, how does Finn make it back safely inside the base with her unconscious body when they both crash just yards from, and in full view of, the enemy?
Also, you'd expect EVERY resistance fighter (not just Finn) to be willing to sacrifice themselves to destroy that cannon, _especially after they just saw Holdo give her life for theirs, with amazing results!_ The resistance should've used those rickety old speeders as kamikaze weapons, loaded with explosives!
@Templar Knight Good god... I'm posting this on r/saltierthancrait
i have a theory (though considering the new director is going to be jj and any plans rian had will be thrown out (which is why i hope they never give another star wars trilogy (if there will be one that is) to multiple directors, they will only create a mess)) that rose is a spy for the first order. and thats why she stopped Finn. another theory i saw was that finn wouldn't have stopped the giant laser canon, and that rose was saving him from a pointless sacrifice. which is plausible, but given the themes of TLJ, which is failure (or at least thats what i got from it), that finn sacrificing himself, and it doing nothing would have been an even braver idea than killing off luke. (speaking of, if they bring back luke in the next film i will be very disappointed, they killed a character, they should stay dead. regardless of what the fans thought of it. there is no going back now, don't try and fix a mistake that is set in stone.)
@@Glassesgirl2002 The film implied that Rose also had a sister (who was piloting the bomber which blew up the dreadnought in the space battle at the start). If Rose was a First Order spy while her sister sacrificed herself for the Resistance, then that's one messed up family, but we're talking about RJ here, so you could claim he was being deliberately subversive! However, in that case, why were TFO about to execute Rose with Finn when they were captured ? Surely that would be the moment to reveal she was actually working with the enemy?
Rose did indeed crash into Finn to stop him suiciding, but as many people have pointed out, crashing into someone at full speed like that runs the risk of killing you both, so it's a strange way of trying to save someone...
I have a better theory. Maybe Rose is just crazy. A complete lunatic. That would explain a lot!
Mark Hamill is confirmed to be on the cast for Ep IX so he will definitely return but probably as some kind of Force ghost.
The Intro is longer than the movie itself, and I love it.
EDIT: The Markiplier bit at 1:09:32 killed me
This is why we love mauler.
It’s moronicz
And better writing
Dragonage2ftw Do you have anything better to do with your time than trying to troll people, because you’re not really doing a good job of it.
Why Hello There
The Mary Sue writing was on the wall in this movie. Did Kylo Ren ever stop a blaster bolt after this movie? No! Was Rey over-powered and oddly skilled in this movie for no good reason? Yes.
To be fair Kylo hasn’t had a decent reason to stop a blaster bolt ever
@@lazyliongames6660 true !
@@lazyliongames6660The problem is they never gave us a reason to believe he'd know such a move, Vader only blocked some shots with his hand after all
@@bluemutt9964
It's just movie spectacle, that's why. Makes absolutely zero sense in terms of plot or world-building, but it looks cool - and that was Disney's only real priority with these movies.
I will never get tired of Mark Hamill passive-agressive attitude these last years.
You gotta love that man's bravery in the face of an evil corporation such as Disney.
Alternatively it's depressing and sad to watch, it's like he was trapped in a nightmare that he couldn't escape, you can hear the sadness and defeat in his voice.
NAZI!
If Disney is evil, who is supposed to be good here?
@@LinkMarioSamus Everything not Disney.
@@K4inan Including Sony?
1:15:18 Mauler says "clone" over a shot of Snoke
HE KNEW
AS THE SPIDERS FORETOLD
LOL
That was awesome!
1:15:16
Damn, good catch
*"Skip Intro - **1:05:35**"*
There are actual tears in my eyes XD
Dontae Jones ^.-.^ sorry, I bumped the comment Likes from 69 to 70..
True story: That 1 hour and 5 minutes was just the intro for the rest of the intro for the whole analysis.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon I bumped it from 169 to 170...
LETS KEEP THIS GOING!!!!
1:56:30 To get to the first scene's breakdown
I rounded it to 200. Does that count?
Also i watch it all. No ads. Fuck ads. Just content
I once heard something to the effect of "If art is policed or cannot be critiqued, then it's propaganda."
Feel like that applies here.
I've been battling with this for a couple years now. Is Star wars pro war or anti war? Is it progressive or religious and traditional? What propaganda value does sci Fi have in a modern setting
@@floydbaker2240 I think you are overthinking it. Sometimes a piece of media just is, without a aim of propaganda or wanting to say something about society.
@@blade8741 George Lucas was very opinionated and outspoken though, the thing is he kinda flip flops too and fro when discussing the ideas behind Star wars. But he flip flops with passion and zeal lol
''...the clone of a movie.''
*shows Snoke*
oh boy, thhat aged beautifully with the addition of tros
Also had a cut of snoke to palpatine when asking 'who is he? Where did he come from?' Ironically in reference to snokes origins. Prediction level 100.
Like a fine wine
MooPer is clairvoyant confirmed
@@viscountrainbows6452 The Spiders told him.
That's no TH-cam video, that's a feature length film!
"That's no TH-cam video - it's a space station!"
I was going to watch Aquaman... but then this came out
@@davfree9732 Watch Red Letter Media's review, instead. I might stream it when it's released on video, if I'm really bored.
Dav Free Aquaman really isn’t as bad a DC movie as people make it out to be. You really gotta watch the movie and judge it for yourself instead of the opinions of everyone else
@@EricGraham94 I plan to see it. And Bumblebee. Without Bay and G1 designs, I wanna see how it does... But this vids about the length of time it takes to to drive there and watch a movie. Maybe tomorrow
Table of Contents:
0:00 - Montage of initial reactions to TFA
4:00 - Disclaimer 1
5:18 - The Objectivity vs Subjectivity Debate
6:23 - Clarifying MauLer's Position
7:48 - On Consistency in Fiction and Argumentation
20:30 - On the Practice of Purely Subjective Critique
49:02 - The Force Awakens Critique Proper
50:26 - Disclaimer 2
1:02:28 - Cameo 1: Caddicarus
1:05:35 - The Title Crawl: Bridging the Gap between Episodes
(1:31:29 - One-Punch Man: An Unbridled Praise)
1:37:07 - The Title Crawl: Story Set-Up
1:41:36 - Worldbuilding Difficulties in Continuing a Story
1:53:55 - Cameo 2: Fringy
1:56:22 - The Opening Scene: Opening Shot and Flickering Lights
1:57:43 - A Tangent on Nitpicking
2:04:02 - The Opening Scene: No Stone left Unturned
2:21:35 - Intellectual Consistency and Emotional Resonance
2:40:19 - To be continued...
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Get this man some likes.
That's some great stuff you did there, really hope you can get upvoted more and be seen, since this table of time stamps are definitely helpful.
You're a hero man
50:50
2018: Only had the one Star Wars critique under his belt.
2023: Only has the one Star Wars critique under his belt.
You cannot rush The Longman.
2024: Only has the one Star Wars critique under his belt.
Couldn't have imagined a better Christmas gift.
What an empty life you must lead.
@@Dragonage2ftw Your point being?
Episode 6 "return of the jedi"
Episode 8 "the last jedi"
That was rather quick; oh wait no, basically nothing happened in regards to the jedi
The jedi returned all right. But only one of them LOL
Also episode 7 force awakens from having returned
Somehow
I wanted luke to successful restart the jedi order but JJ was a hack and wanted to retell a new hope.
Lhop it really only means that anakin returns
Wouldn't say that..... We found out Jedi are Suicidal. Two took themselves out with the force. Heck Force users more often than not commit suicide with the force. Luke, Leia..... Palpatine and Kylo. Yoda kind of did.
Whether you agree or disagree with MauLer’s points, can we all appreciate the effort going into this? Between writing the script, recording and editing the audio, and comping it with the visuals (not to mention that the first video alone is almost three hours long). Quite a lengthy and time consuming project.
GRRM & Thrones Analyzed
Aw. It’s been a while since I came across someone on the internet who was 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 braindead.
There’s a different TH-cam for the mentally challenged, my son.
MauLer, you're a gift we all don't deserve but the one we need
You notice how when Adam Driver says "Nothing" all the cast members laugh like idiots and Mark Hamill just sits there dejectedly thinking "My god these people are stupid..."
An ellegant actor from a more civilised age.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 not as clumsy or as random as a Driver
I honestly think Hamill was seriously at a 9 on the tree scale at many of these gatherings.
I think Adam Driver's got a good head on his shoulders. He just made a massive mistake by signing up for Disney Wars. At least he's professional about it and doesn't lash out at people who dislike the movies. I think he, like Mark Hamill, knows that The Last Jedi is a shitty movie and that's why he said that the audience would get nothing out of it. He just said it in a diplomatic way because, unlike Mark Hamill, he doesn't have a massive fanbase to back him up if he calls out Dicksney for their stupidity.
@@tomnorton4277 It is true that Adam Driver and the guy who plays Poe have handled all of the backlash well. That's also a very interesting read on why he said "nothing". I hope that you're correct and that he is just making the best out of a bad situation. Plus it would mean he was cheekily trolling Rian XD
THANK YOU for acknowledging the wasted potential of Finn. A turncoat stormtrooper was a BRILLIANT idea, rife with dramatic potential. And it's completely squandered by the first scene.
Anthony Echo Imagine if JJ Abrams ideas of stormtroopers turning against their own side and joining their enemy after seeing their friends gunned down by the enemy were true for soldiers in real wars here on earth.
A turncoat stormtrooper is hell of a concept. So good they actually made a full videogame about it: Jedi Outcast. Cant even rip off the extended canon right lol
@Adrijana Radosevic You did not look closely at my initial statement. Re-read it carefully. Then, re-watch the first few minutes of Force Awakens. The "moment of truth" for Finn is when his best friend trooper literally dies in his arms (gunned down by Poe, no less). That friend's bloody hand leaves a bloody track down Finn's Stormtrooper helmet. THIS IS THE MOMENT where Finn SHOULD BE ENRAGED at the Resistance fighter who killed his best friend!!!!!!!! Finn should be charging and shooting at the individual who gunned this friend down!!!!!! Instead, Finn switches to the side of the individual who killed his best friend. THIS IS THE PART THAT I FIND STUPID and INCREDULOUS! This does not happen in war time.
Everything you state in your response is true - yes, Nazi Generals did plot to kill Hitler and some - SOME - Nazis questioned the morality of what they were doing.
I need you to focus on the events portrayed in TFA and in my response. Poorly written movie!! FInn COULD HAVE BEEN an AMAZING CHARACTER!!!
Thanks for the correspondence! It has been a pleasure to discuss this logically with you :)
Because JJ didn't make it on purpose that the idea. He nor think neither focus about this idea at first. He just did that and that's it. If ever he made this on puspose, he would fill that coat turning, strenghten it. Or maybe he wouldn't, maybe I'm wrong and he is just an unskilful useless.
At least it's better than episode 8
I love that he takes breaks from criticizing the actual content to address the issue of anti-intellectualism in our world. Pretty amazing stuff.
It actually upset me that they laughed at Adam Driver for answering that question truthfully.
When I was thirteen, I spent a solid 2 1/2 hours explaining one 22 minute episode of Sailor Moon to my older brother, and it's now a treasured memory for both of us, almost a quarter of a century later. Who says long reviews are inherently bad?
What was the episode? lol
Plenty of people hold the "long = bad" sentiment, unfortunately. The only argument they seem to make is that they don't have time to watch the videos in one sitting. I guess they don't understand how pausing works.
Never heard anyone say it (tbf I haven't yet finished this vid)
But yeah, never heard anyone say that
@Claudio Salazar I mean, "stupid or incompetent" did apply to many of the Sailors, Serena in particular XD But I think it actually helped serve a bigger picture there that being "stupid" was a flaw that could be overcome in other ways (like being a dependable friend, to paraphrase the english opening theme) rather than being something which defined your total worth as a person. Sort of like how Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star did a great job of showing the disparity between healthy masculinity vs the "tough guy"
@@Sara_Feingold I never really thought of Serena/Usagi as being stupid. She was just lazy and didn't apply herself. Which is actually a hallmark of many anime/manga protagonists, both shoujo and shonen.
I remember leaving TFA feeling like an alien. Everyone around me was losing their shit about how good they thought it was. I wasn't impressed personally, but hoped the future of the trilogy would make it better. Little did I know it was only going to get worse from there...
Same, i watched it with friends and i never really got into it and in the end it got more like a mediocre episode 4 remake with great graphics. I went out very quit and numb and everyone was hyped aswell.
Bro I left that theater clowning it immediately and nobody said shit to me. Super unimpressed. I wouldn't have gone to see it if my Aunt didn't offer to pay, I just didn't believe in Disney at all. As of the trilogy's conclusion, I'm proud to say I was right all along.
I let out a very loud and panicked "OH NO!!!" when Abrams was announced writer/director. My conversations with my trekker friends said they felt he basically ruined Star Trek, and now it was time for Star Wars. MauLer said it best in the unbridled rage of TROS: "Gorgeous, breathtaking, makes no sense. Must be a J.J. Abrams movie."
I felt the same with Avengers Endgame
I had a similar thing with TLJ. I remember thinking: "This is either somehow a 10/10 or closer to a 1/10". But i was surrounded by classmates and news articles praising it. I believed it to be true until i found Maulers video the next day.
“The truth isn’t designed to hurt you, it is meant to act as an offer for you to learn and grow.”
Well said. Keep up the great work!
Exactly; Truth only takes away your body parts after sending you through the Gate because he cares.
When you're down you are wrong, you are made better for it
Your videos are honestly quite concise. They compile a massive amount of information and get it across quickly and effectively.
“And not palpatine is in charge of it”
Welp.
That became a big whoopsie.
MauLer: "Yes, you did just watch me talk about the opening seconds of a movie for 30 minutes - welcome to my youtube channel"
Me: *Instantly subscribes*
Welcome, you are now a hate-monger of the toxic brood.
ID10T Error ? U wot mate
ID10T Error you massive wanker
Same
The man truly is massive
The idea that Finn would eventually have conflict with Poe after finding out he was the one who shot his stormtrooper friend is gold. I wanna see that movie.
So much potential with that set-up. But nope...they squandered that possible angle.
I wish he would have retained some of what The First Order taught him, since... Y'know, that's all he's ever known?
He calls Han Solo a "war hero" when he should instinctively bristle at the mention of the name of a filthy smuggler that aided in the crippling of one of the most influential masterpieces of planetary warfare ever designed.
He should hear "Jedi" and imagine a corrupt cult of insidious monsters that poisoned the minds of their impressionable students during their reign of tyranny.
He shouldn't be the source of goofy comic relief, he should be a radicalised man trying very hard to get over preconceived notions and never fully letting go of his Stormtrooper identity. He should be a soldier raised in a fascistic environment who is trying to become a better person.
@@eras1066 I really never realised that HUGE missed opportunity in the character of Finn. Thanks for making me see it
Where they friends though? I do not remember the movie establishing that.
I think the ultimate subversion for that scene would be Finn explaining that he realized he was on the wrong side when his friend/squadmate died in his arms after some Rebel sniped him while raiding the village... and Poe going silent before apologizing because he's the one who shot the squadmate.
After that, it's awkward but they're called up for something important or there's an emergency, and they have to work together/with the other Rebels/good guys to win, and by the end of the movie they come to an understanding that it's one of the horrors of war, that Poe shot one of Finn's friends, but that Finn isn't going to hold a grudge because they were enemies at the time, and Poe is going to have to live with the regret that he killed someone who was Finn's friend.
Which could be tied into Finn becoming a Jedi, with his forgiveness of Poe being one of the confirmations that he has exactly the qualities needed to be a Jedi Master, while Rey shows more and more anger as Palpatine's ghost takes more and more control of her because she wants power NOW, ultimately leading to Finn and Luke bringing Rey back from the Dark Side by Luke being convinced that an absolute forbidding of love/attachment doesn't work, and it's how that attachment is handled that matters more.
And it hurts that something I'm basically writing on the fly is better than the actual Star Wars.
Heck, toss in that Kylo was actually a deep cover agent and Han Solo was dying due to exposure to some toxin that's rare but deadly, with Kylo killing Han being a mercy from a slow death by poisoning AND a way to fake being loyal to Snoke.
That would explain why Kylo gets so many First Order of Fries soldiers killed, and messes that part of the plans up, AND it would give a big subversion to the good and evil sides, as Kylo would rejoin the light side in part 3, and have to atone for his deep cover operation to kill Snoke and root out the Sith Ghost of Palpatine.
Mauler: "But you cant force a restart, you have to put in the work"
'JJ Abrams leaves chat'
"The current area to search is a planet." instantly reminded me of the scene in "Spaceballs" (1987) where troops are literally combing the desert.
That’s actually the premise of Rian Johnson’s Long-awaited Star Wars trilogy. It’s like poetry. It rhymes.
@Sith_Creepio "We ain't found shit!"
Dude the zings against Patrick Willems and Quinton Reviews are on point.
So damn glad Quinton has finally shown beyond all doubt how much of a pretentious twat he is. The way he dismisses all criticism as 'alt right trolls' is so damn pathetic.
@@spikesya "Jon Tron is a racist" my eyes couldn't help but roll
GRRM & Thrones Analyzed how so? make a point. I’ve seen the efaps originating every jab that was made, I have seen the full context to each of them. None of them are inaccurate.
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 Yeah, someone was harsh you can argue. But you have just dismissed all criticism of her video just because of that? Nice job. And you are the only person I see in every comment defending these idiots.
I don't know if you will ever see this comment, MauLer, but I really appreciate all the work you put in this.
I would like to respond. Because if you do ever see this comment among your thousands of comments, I want to share with you that I love Star Wars, like many others. It is a beautiful world where the characters have shown me the journey of humanity... no matter where you are or who you are. The story of Star Wars became a deep emotional investment for me as a child, and it has stayed with me throughout adulthood. I remember Star Wars like it was a close friend.
And the Star Wars today isn't the Star Wars that I had loved so much as a child. And that's my opinion. I admit that. And others can have whatever opinions they want. I find no offense in their beliefs. And, hopefully, neither will others find offense to my own beliefs.
You argue something interesting: emotional attachment has blinded many of us. A bit like the Dark Side. Where we are willing to compromise the truth and attack others to defend one's own position about an issue. You've delivered so many beautifully articulated and fairly objective arguments that I walked away thinking "Doesn't the current state of Star Wars reflect so much about the condition of our own society? It's many political, religious, and moral issues?"
You referenced in this introduction video of how Just Write was talking about Game of Thrones and you applied it to Star Wars at around 2:25:30, and you showed how it can be applied alongside your critique of Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Well, I would really like to point out that much of your viewpoint can be applied to a broader picture of our society.
Your thoughts have spoken to me so clearly, and, though it has helped me understand my negative emotions toward the current state of Star Wars, you have really opened up my mind to how the world in itself has been acting. The new generation of Star Wars has been a breeding ground, a battle zone, a stage... for our society to show their faces and it hasn't been a pretty sight. And, I guess, what I'm trying to say is... it's not just Star Wars that is the problem, but that all of us maybe are to blame.
There is nothing wrong with emotions. I mean, that's why we really do anything. I'm assuming that's why you spent so much time making this critique. That's why others respond so aggressively. That's why I have bothered to write this when no one will read it. But you have taught me what I can do with my emotions. I guess you are the Jedi Master here, benevolently teaching us how to harness our emotions into something more positive and productive.
So thank you, MauLer. I'm so glad I have found your channel. You have found yourself a loyal subscriber. Best of luck to you, and I hope your future brings you all the best.
My thoughts exactly, very well written, Kevin Hwang. As rational person, an aspiring writer, and as a professional in sciences, I really appreciate this channel and how much effort goes into it. In my professional work, I get daily reminders of how subjective and hypocritical people can get and how much this compromises their ability to grow and learn and do this thing called science. I find it incredibly frustrating, but these conversations need to keep happening or we'll only regress. Beautifully articulated. Well done, MauLer.
Excellent comment, minus the self-deprecating "no one will read this" bunk. There are many channels where being long winded automatically gets you overlooked. MauLer's clearly isn't one of them.
@@MsRais123 ooooooooookay you need to chill out a little dude, this comment is three months old.
Ditto
Jesus I think everyone saw this 😁😁😁
I know I’m super later to the party, but thank you. I really appreciate your video and the time you put into this. This helps me realize that there are reasonable people on the internet. Well done sir
It's a pitty none of those people write scripts for SW 🤦♀️
You know you've successfully gotten to people when they can't punch back with anything more than "Wow look at this nerd! He actually put down time on his analysis!"
Did people actually say stuff to him about this?
@@johnkramer2144 Too many do. On twitter, his comment section, r/moviescirclejerk, and much more.
The best part, is that these people have two arguments. 1. ''Ur video is long and therefore bad''. And 2. ''MauLer says this/thinks this'', the ''this'' being a strawman, and when a fan of MauLer calls them out they say ''Lol you think I'd watch it?''.
Carlos Roberto And people wonder why so many humans hate our own species...
@ThatPurpleFunk "reasoning", that's already too much.
@ThatPurpleFunk Delusion? Anti-sense maybe? I don't know, honestly.
I'm glad to hear that I'm not crazy, I've felt like half the critique channels these days just explain what's on screen, talk about it being cool or MAH THÉMES BRUV and move on.
Er, robot head, rags, mooler for Efap crew.
As I now say "Themes are for 8th Grade Essays" -Source Unknown
@@TheTendermen The source is D&D, the writers behind the "faithful" Game of Thrones Season 8
@@TheTendermen Sad how themes are used as a defense of movies. It makes the word sound stupid when themes really can be important/meaningful. But that's just my objectively subjective opinionated opinion.
Who are you watching? Lol
Imagine being made fun of for putting an absurd amount of research and effort into your videos, because you want to make quality, correct content that you are passionate about.
Can't find a much more blatant sign that you're doing something right.
That is your opinion :-p
Imagine not being able to condense your points because you don’t know how to
@@Jwubbz101 Condensing points is not always a good idea, in post secondary and in the professional world its expected that you properly explain and flesh out your arguments while maintaining focus and clearly stating the focus at the beggining. Condensing points too far can harm the overall argument. The key is to strike a good balance. If a simply condensed my sales report to a few lines such as "Failed to form a lasting rapport" me professor would have failed me despite that being what happened. Instead i expanded my points to include context and supporting information.
Jwubbz Imagine thinking a video essay with the goal of doing a thorough analysis needs to be condensed
@@austin3600 If you have an attention span of ten minutes like probably Jwubbz here has, it's not easy no progress in your mind a 2+ hours essay. We should pity him.
I am commenting here again because I find this video very helpful and educational, and my grasp on writing terminology and logic has slightly improved since I last watched this, and knowing the things I know now, I am enjoying the first half of this video even more. When Mauler is citing examples from other creators using the "humans are emotional and not logical" argument to debunk logic as a metric for film critique, I remembered a term I had recently encountered. There is a term that is used to describe the human tendency to have lapses in logic. That term is "logical human fallibility". I just find that ironic and a little funny.
When writing human characters then, a writer is still beholden to logic when creating a character that actually feels human. Because they have to assess how humans with certain emotional histories act in response to certain situations in order to create a character that acts and reacts in a believable way. The illogical nature of humans when they are emotional is something that can be logically assessed, and the knowledge gained from that assessment can be used to write believable characters, it can be used to help people, and it can also be weaponized. See Return of the Jedi for example. Vader makes good use of his own knowledge of logical human fallibility as he is toying with Luke in their duel toward the end of the film. He knows that Luke is vulnerable to emotional manipulation. He knows that he can compromise Luke's logic and get him to take actions that are contradictory to Luke's own goals, and he succeeds. He threatens to turn Luke's sister, and it works. Luke attacks, very aggressively, despite his intentions toward his father being explicitly peaceful as he states himself multiple times. Luke does eventually resist, but not before reducing Vader to the same helpless state that Vader had reduced him to in the previous film. In the audience, we know Luke should not fight. We know he should not try to kill Vader, but in all likelihood, most of us probably don't fault him at all for that. Because most of us are logical enough and empathetic enough to place ourselves in his position and know that we would likely make the same mistake. It is the logic we use to assess and make sense of emotion that allows us to understand Luke's actions even though those actions themselves lack logic. It is that same logical process that Vader exploits to get him to take that action in the first place. It is logical human fallibility.
Basically, this is just a different way of articulating what the long man already articulated in this video years ago. That is to say that no, characters do not have to always act logically. Yes. They can make mistakes, and for the sake of a good narrative, they should make mistakes. But they better be mistakes that work within the confines of logical human fallibility. If Spider-Man is explicitly established to have a ridiculously high capacity for sensing danger. He should never once be caught off guard by a drunken, stumbling rhinoceros unless his spider sense has been somehow compromised. And to be more relevant to this series and in agreement with the long man, Luke Skywalker, a man who threw his weapon away in the name of peace while faced with death at the hands of the single most evil man in the galaxy, a man who defied the suggestions from his own Jedi trainers to kill the source of the evil, should never and would never attempt to murder his own nephew because he thinks he detects a faint hint of evil somewhere within the scent of Ben Solo's farts. To call TLJ's writing contradictory would be a massive understatement. In fact the sentence I wrote before this one was itself a massive understatement. Anyway. That is all. Disney Star Wars is depressingly abysmal.
Allow me to express my gratitude for having one of the few people I actually respect on this site tackle the topic of critiquing art intended for children and that its' implied right for lazyness should not be tolerated. I've been meticulously trying to destroy this stereotype for 2 years on my channel, and it always feels like not enough people are fighting for it as well.
@@wassnonnam Его можно даже только из-за одного голоса слушать :)
Art for children should be expected to be at a higher standard if we really care about our kids.
I don't even understand why people consider Star Wars a "for children" thing since the OT was 41 years ago and most of its fans are adults who turned their kids into fans and those kids are in their 20's. The new movies feature innocent people getting murdered via firing squad. Finn watches someone die in front of him as he rubs blood on his helmet, we see a bunch of dudes get devoured by space mouth-demons, Han Solo gets stabbed in the gut, Rey and Po are tortured, Finn is slashed up his spine, Leia is jettisoned into space, and Luke milks a fucking space elephant-giraffe from the tit.
They say it's art made for children but yet the movie has such subtle and complex themes that apparently nobody understands. It's for children so don't look at it critically but in order to understand it you need to use critical thinking. Like animal rights over saving children and killing people who do mean stuff to you and shut up and do what your told no matter how suicidal it seems and it's only acceptable to sacrifice yourself if you're old. So subtle and complex when they basically shout it at you how terrible rich people are for the entire 45 minutes of the Kanto Bite segments. Very subtle theme about letting go of the past when Kylo literally says "let the past die."
Kubo and the Two Strings is a childrens film who's story was well done (minus it's hilariously bad ending) that explores complex themes of humanity without having it's head shoved up its own ass blaring it's message through a megaphone. The story is based around the theme. It picked a theme and wrote a story to match that theme. TLJ wrote a story and had to plot magic it's themes in. Like, all the parts that have the "complex themes" are the worst parts of the film. They don't even feel like they're a part of the same film.
Franklin Turtleton
Yeah, it’s possibly the only way to make your story’s themes fail to give their message as much as it does in TLJ:
-Un-relatable, PC crap messages no-one connects to ‘cuz *DO YOU EVEN FUCKING KNOW WHY WE BOTED FOR TRUMPS, JAR JAR ABRAMS, JESUS FUUUCK ?!?*
-Making the story/plot BEFORE putting the themes, as you say; which basically nobody in film-making industry does, not even the bad script writers, or directors, since no-one naturally think of a plot BEFORE, or just NOT WHILE, coming up with the themes, and messages; I don’t even think amateurs or students make that mistake when they come up with their own complete stories;
This means that Jar Jar (and Ryan) couldn’t even get that right..... *awesome*
@@nicholasleclerc1583 what crap PC messages ?
I have a huge problem with the role of fin that no one seems to talk about:
It’s reveled later in the movie that he was first a sanitation worker on the star killer base (which was a secret base)
He then becomes a frontlines soldier while starkiller is still (somewhat) secret.
So your telling me: they would take someone who worked on a secret base and knew about its inner workings, and make him a frontlines soldier who could potentially be captured and interrogated for information? Excuse me what?
and in TLJ he washed the floor of snokes capital ship. what a coincidence.
I have a explanation for you. He wasn't for killing on the planet of the opening scene. He was there to clean up the dirt! That's why he was so shellshocked when his buddy died. First he had to clean that shit alone, second Have you ever tried to clean blood? And that helmet was full of it. Fuck that. Betrayer time!
Damp potato #36 Finns backstory is trash, and doesn’t make sense. Unless they use elite front line soldiers, who have been trained since birth to fight, as cleaning and sanitation staff when they are not doing soldiery things...
Finn's backstory is so inconsistent that it's pretty much nonexistent by this point.
Damp potato #36 Easy to explain. As per Disney’s theme for the Empire lately.
“DUR HUR EMPIRE DUMB DUMBS.”
Which one did fin do, sanitation on starkiller base, or mopping the floor of the breaker room on the supremacy? Goddamit movie tell me this story properly!
"You shouldn't always concentrate on the length....you should also consider the girth". Slipped that one in nice mate.
He slipped it in nice alright.
Right, a review being longer than the art itself doesn't make it a bad review.
@@jozinek876 No it doesn't. It makes it a thorough, well thought out review. Much better than the crap reviews mostly seen on the Tubes.
@@JamesBrewerDJ yeh, like the feminist TLJ one 😂
*cackles in sith lord*
"I cannot think of a bigger waste of time than debating art"
Bruh, art *is* a debate. It offers in some cases truth, or criticism, or fantasy, and comparison or change can come from something like
"Damn I like this world how can I make my real life more like this"
or "Wow I never thought to look at it that way, maybe theres something to be found in my life in that same vein that I might work to change"
or "This art makes me appreciate certain aspects of my life more that I had otherwise not been shown to be personally important yet"
idk
2 hours later
“How about we dive right in”
There are TH-cam live streams that mauler does w wolf and others and some run 4 hrs. Do not start listening unless you have no plans. They will pull you in
@@ronniejdio9411 Only 4 hours? Short man bad!
@@anderkickers5 We are now at streams over 11 hours long :D :O
Ronnie J Dio 4 hours is nothing
@@anderkickers5 those are live feeds. Just two dudes talking. I am aware Maulers videos on the last jedi exceed 9+ hours
"The empire is in power and not Palpatine is the head of it"
Oh boi, if only
That sentence aged well...
@@mirkohille8188 sometimes the long man seems like a prophet
I appreciate that when Mauler refers to himself he often shows Darth Maul. A nice little detail.
As I was listening to your discussion about objectivity and being open to discussion and criticism reminds me of my favorite quote of all time:
The problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves while wiser people are so full of doubts.
A nearly 3 hour video and only 1 midroll ad. Damn dude, some serious respect for that.
mauler could have had a 2 week holiday before this uploaded.
Yeah me too funny that. Huh
Actually he should have more ads. I would happily watch them and support his channel more.
That's a shame, because you should be willing to make that very, very small sacrifice in return for a huge amount of excellent, free content like this.
Either that or buy TH-cam Red.
@@johnnymuen4948 I don't know Brave browser, but I view TH-cam ads because it pays money to creators who would otherwise earn considerably less money for the hundreds of hours of work they put into the content I consume.
*"Many of these guys can't help but feel a woman who is serving as teacher to a male hero as anything other than preachy, annoying or emasculating."*
One of my favourite characters from Star Wars (Kotor 2 to be precise) is exactly like that, several leagues more preachy even, and I love her for it. Maybe if Rian had written a better character instead of projecting his high school fantasies into Rose she'd be appreciated, too.
My favorite SW character is Bastila - hell, she is one of the reasons I run light side every time.
Kreia is one of my favorites too. She had such a unique and interesting perspective of the force. Speaking of that game, when they were talking about Luke being cut off from the force in TLJ, I instantly thought of Kotor 2. Honestly, I was even expecting Rey to be revealed to be some kind of force leech (or "wound") like the Exile was and was unknowingly draining the force from people she interacted with, which could've explained why Rey became so powerful so quickly.
Mirrors my experience with the first TLJ footage I saw. I swear I was ready for Luke to go down her ideaological path when he mentioned that ominous
*"It's time for the Jedi to end."*
Instead it was just an uncle trying to strike down his nephew while he slept. Talk about a disappointment. I was already bummed by the similarities to IV in TFA, but TLJ just cemented that they don't really care about interesting ideas, only Hollywood sugar rush moviemaking which becomes worse and worse with each subsequent viewing.
PBMusiko - Absolutely. Kreia is one of the most complex and brilliantly written characters in the SW Universe."Force Leech" is actually exactly how I would describe Rey, zero effort, maximum Force :p
The best part you can push back and even ignore her, or be her ever loyal student learning and succeeding where she failed
Disney made the EU non-canon. How ironic that just about everything they created in the past 5 years is considered non-canon by even people that liked The Last Jedi.
@Grapthar's Hebrew Hammer
Agree I want to see jade a far superior character then some random Mary sue who I couldn't care what happened.
What on earth are you talking about?
Really enjoyed that intro, glad I didn't skip. Binge watching this channel has been the perfect audio for listening while grinding hours away in Warframe lol.
If there's anything I've learned from the title crawl of TFA, for a team wanting to establish a female presence in Star Wars, by saying that the First Order rose in Luke's absence, they've undermined Leia's role in toppling the empire, and now with this her newly established republic leadership, she'd have snuffed these idiots out the moment she caught wind of them.
Way to go Kennedy and crew, you've been quite progressive...
The First Order Rose due to her incompetance.... hehe...
Okay I'll show myself the door.
@@Cancoillotteman
LOL! Wow...Just...Wow... You're not wrong but wow that pun...
@@DemonicRemption yeah she's princess Leia she should be at the head of the republic, gathering all their support. Meanwhile in the movies the republic is basically missing and impotent.
@@ralcogaming7674
That shows that Kathleen Kennedy knows nothing about the franchise she inherited. I mean I'm a casual fan who's seen only the prequels and Clone Wars. And yet because I've interacted with the fandom and watched Star Wars videos on TH-cam, I know as much as I typed in my original comment... Yet this shriveled hag has the keys to the f*cking kingdom and she doesn't know DICK!
Like you said, Leia should be head of this new republic, gathering their support... But that's infuriating to think as I type this that in order to give that nostalgia fest of a film in TFA, Leia had to be undermined and reduced to "General..." So you combine that with Kennedy's ignorance of the franchise, and these neanderthals have the gall to blame the fans for the franchise failing as it is now...?
Everyone: "Skip intro - 15 seconds"
Mauler: "Skip intro - 1:05:35"
Dias
I only skip the 15 second ones.
@Snob Jockey he shows the time stamp in the video as well. Personally though I think that it's important that people get called out on their BS. A lot of the people he referred to contradicted themselves multiple times in their own videos lol
I have never been a follower of someone or something.
But that does not prevent me from admitting that MauLer is brilliant.
He gets it.
Hats off to MauLer.
xDD
Mahler had his long symphonies
Mauler has his long video essays
Who's already looking forward to his extensive critique of what is sure to be a shitshow, episode 9?
You know I used to be a star wars Fan. So I'm still somehow hoping it won't be that bad....
I thought people were already looking forward to that since his TLJ videos.
With Rian gone I doubt it'll be as bad as TLJ, but yes, it won't be good.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
I do (because these critiques are often not only spot-on but also hilarious)... but at the same time I don't. You see, until just over a year ago, Ep.IX was the movie I anticipated the most. Hell, there was a time I was honestly like: 'Let WW3 or the Alien Invasion happen, but not until after this trilogy is completed!"
Then TLJ came and slapped the rose-tinted glasses off my head and I stopped caring.
Yeah, part of me isnt looking forward to these critiques because a part of me is heartbroken about how SW went south this quickly.
Respect man. You came out with flames in the intro to this. I know it was years ago now. People always want to put you down when you are winning. Keep on pushing
I just remember when I saw the trailers for this, thinking how lame it was that there were still people in Stormtrooper costumes and no advancements in the ships beyond X-Wings over the course of 30 years. Like you say, it ignored the endless possibilities and made the universe very small. No progress was made other than splitting up the characters people were excited to see on screen together again. Now we can never have a movie with Han, Luke, and Leia in a scene together again... and they had all of them available for this.
This thing with Luka Han and Leia is truly spoken. It almost enraged me in the cinema that they were not together.
Kaiju Soshingeki I don’t think technology really advances in the Star Wars universe. I think it just fluctuated back and forth and for 1000’s of years it’s been relatively the same.
@@TCR2025 Taking on the Starkiller base with 12 X-Wings was ridiculous. They had a whole fleet of different ships against the Death Star in Return of the Jedi. 30 years later they forgot that Y-Wings, V-Wings, and B-Wings were the bomber ships. "Has anyone who made this movie even played Rogue Squadron?"
I mostly just thought that Ren’s saber was stupid. I still think that.
The problem with The Force Awakens is not so much the classic characters not being together, I suppose they tought of them as The Beatles. The problem is all caused by hiw The Force Awakens thought entirely inside the box, not a single new thing on it. Leaving people thinking only inside the box and leaving people completely unprepared for the amazing outside of the box thinking of The Last Jedi. Because TFA made them think predictable
You know what Star Wars story had the Empire as the underdog and the Republic as the ones in power, but was still able to make an extremely impressive story out of it? The Thrawn trilogy. Thrawn was able to, through cunning plans and strategies, turn a fledgling Empire into a threat that was close to defeating the newly formed Republic. But since Disney shot the old cannon in the back of the head, I guess that story does not matter even if they ripped Thrawn out of said story and brought him back because they realized they fucked up.
DIsney/JJ: "We have to get rid of the old EU because we don't want to be stuck telling the same old stories about Thrawn and the Yuuzhon Vong. We want to tell all new stories."
Fans: "Okay, well, I guess that's a steep price, but we'll accept it. So, what new stories have you got for us?"
Disney/JJ: "I'm going to copy and paste Episode 4, but with more lens flare"
Thrawn trilogy or jedi academy..... JJ just stole half of jedi academy's story and mixed it with ep 4..... Soooooo original
One of the most important statements I've heard was from my high school art teacher:
Absolutely everything can be criticized, including art.
That's a very superfluous statement.
It's like saying "everything can be cooked, even baked beans"
@@eyeballpaul700 Ok. Thanks for helping me learn a new word: superfluous.
@@CarParts08382 you're welcome I suppose hahah
Eyeball Paul Perhaps a superfluous statement, but there are many people who simply don’t think about the concept that criticism can and may need to be applied to everything. If everything can be used to raise the awareness of another, and all it takes is a superfluous statement, is it truly superfluous?
As I watch these years after they were made, it still amazes me how easily I start a mauler megavid and suddenly I feel surprised as 2-3 hours have gone by in a matter of seconds. Mauler, you are amazing.
“Brevity is the soul of wit.” This line is said by Polonius in Hamlet. Context is everything here. Polonius is a selfish buffoon and is known for rambling on. Therefore, even if this was good advice, which it is not, he does not ever follow it. He gets quoted frequently without people realizing that within the context of the play, we know to NOT listen to him. For instance, another famous line of his is “To thine own self be true.” This could be wisdom if it weren’t for the fact that Polonius is self-serving and views that as the key to his success. So, it has a much more greedy and apathetic meaning. It’s the equivalent of “I have to watch out for number one” and not “Follow your heart” or “Be yourself” as it is often misrepresented. His death is largely due to this quality. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time because he was trying to ingratiate himself with Claudius.
Moral of the story, MauLer - take your damn sweet time and do the job right!
Oh, and Hamlet is Shakespeare’s longest play. Just to further the irony of that line being used as a critique on length...
Polonius NEVER gives one piece of bad advice. Get the Burton "Hamlet" with Hume Cronyn playing Polonius, you will never look at that character the same way again.
@@paulschulte8651 It's interesting how a performance can change something like that. When I was 9, my dad took me to see Hamlet with David Tennant. Since then I have always seen Claudius as a sympathetic character because of the brilliant way Patrick Stewart played him.
I mean, that doesn't change the fact that some people (not MauLer) go on for way too fucking long in some videos; I recall one guy who kept making 20 minute videos when 10 would have easily sufficed. In general, you shouldn't make reviews and the like longer for no reason, but that should be obvious.
Basically, what I'm saying is that, despite the origins of the quote, it's still applicable in plenty of situations; most people used it as a shorthand for "this should be shorter" anyway, and that's true in many situations (not this one).
But thats just your opinion.
I had no idea that people genuinely think "if the review is longer than the film then its a bad review".
As someone who has studied films proper in depth reviews are usually always longer than the film. We would spend an entire 2hours talking and dissecting 1 scene in a film.
The time taken to review a film should reflect the time taken to make it more than the time to 'consume' it as it's almost the reverse process.
That blew my mind. But I guess it makes sense. People want to hear 10 minute reviews or they can't follow.
It's sad that he needed an entire hour to blow them up before even starting.
Remember in school where you'd analyse and breakdown a paragraph or a poem for an hour? YOU'RE READING WRONG
I watch this guys "Tbskyen" who takes a hour to discuss one 3 minute league of legends short. And I am not bored for a single second since he points out lots of details or techniques I didn't even notice!
@@colboy1fish he talks for an hour about a single champion splash art. I don't like the guy (I heavily disagree with his politics which he sadly often shoves) but his analysis is very insightful for anyone interested in visual design of art and film.
"Hey, Dan, what did you think?"
"... I think it was a movie... "
JURY IS STILL OUT ON THAT...
I literally just came across that it when I read this
it was wierd watching even the most cynical people unanimously praise TFA when it came out, I don't know if it was hype or peer pressure or if everyone was just legitimately hoodwinked by a remake
@@NGRevenant
I mean the hype was insane, and the release was magical. TFA was no masterpiece, but I think people loved that it was similar to the older films. New fans were introduced via TFA, and whilst I wouldn't say TFA is a good sequel at all I think it makes sense people think it's a great movie. People just love classic Star Wars, even if it doesn't make much actual sense.
That is what I said after i saw RoSW lol
I wish the first hour of this was its own video. I feel like people are going to skip it because it's essentially a tangent to the main subject, but it has so much that needs to be heard.
Watching that analysis again it hit me: This story reads like a pre-written adventure for a pen-and-paper role playing game. When you look down the protagonists, what they do and how they do it, and more importantly who does what, it more and more feels like this is what a role playing party would do.
With Rey being played by the GMs girlfriend.
I personally disagree. Me and my friends play DnD, and are far more consistent with our characters than this. Fuck, I once had one of my characters slowly growing insane from being burdened with the chains of command, and you could see his descending spiral into insanity over time. Calling the new Trilogy equivalent to tabletop adventure games is degrading to the players who spend so much effort into crafting a believable and consistent world and characters inside it.
@@AdrianLeeGod Sorry for writing a novel, but we are at the point now where the story of a trilogy of films written by professional directors and script-writers in one of the most important series is easily trumped by a few people playing around a table, rolling dice, and generally making on the spot actions, probably waiting on the pizza they ordered to arrive.
And I mean no disrespect by that. Even if the story of a tabletop is shoddy, if the people playing it have characters that bounce off of other characters, in a decent or maybe even poor story, it is at least a character driven story, which I believe is a better story than one where the characters are dragged along by the plot. Star Wars Sequels have a story that drags the characters along. And while tabletop games have a story developed by the DM, the people playing develop characters that actively participate in the story and make decisions that their characters would, following a story because thats the path their charcters would follow. And certain actions could even change the story overall if the DM is ambitious. Feels more genuine.
In any case, Star Wars should have been character driven, but the characters in it weren't interesting in the first place, something tabletop games don't have an issue with.
I remember that greentext
@@AdrianLeeGod I think the point @0x777 is making is that the point of playing what is essentially DnD is to enjoy a good story between characters we want to see and play as and enjoy drama and conflict between them, and to sometimes prefer involvement and continuation of these things over an abrupt end in favor of perfecting continuity and logic. In writing this Star Wars movie it does feel as tho priorities are on having characters we want participate in as much story and drama as possible even at the cost of things that MauLer values in good filmmaking. In filmmaking you get to go back and refine your script over and over, and it seems that a lot of the basically "unlucky coincidences" are more of lazy bridges for the sake of having some script and feel as though events in the story were decided by something that could be compared to a dice roll rather than to experienced writers and teams of professionals
And Rose was one of their friends who could only play for 1 session
Glad you mentioned that Poe killed Finn’s friend on the battlefield and how weird it was to see Finn befriend Poe not too much later. I pointed this out to many of my friends and acquaintances shortly after the theatrical release and no one took me seriously. Now, with your mentioning of it, that moment truly is a problem of payoff and should have come up later in the film. You can’t just kill your friend’s best friend and get away with it in a story this small.
@@lennynero8614 Probably a lot more fun than you
That mask really reveals the truth, eh?
@@lennynero8614 You say that I am *now* right, but I was never actually wrong and it was never an argument. This is an event that actually happens in the movie itself that no one seemed to catch on to that could have (and probably should have) come up later in the film.
While I never once talked about my family in the original comment (only some friends and acquaintances), you are right about one thing: my family does not remember or care about this event. They also do not care about anything that happened in this movie, as TFA killed SW for my family members that saw it. Since then, SW and media in general have never come up at any family gatherings I have been to.
Just one of a host of plot holes and sloppy editing and writing that only got worse and more pronounced as time passed. We got so many things going on but no payoff and worse just a shambles of a movie.
Agreed. Lots of lazy inconsistencies like this in the film. See also: Chewie casually walking past Leia after his best friend/her husband has just died.
This blast from the past kinda hurts. There was so much optimism.
Thank you Mauler. This is a great Christmas present-
DragonRealms My thoughts exactly. Merry Christmas
I remember all the hype before TFA and then all the various theory’s for The Last Jedi. Like who was Rey’s parents? Who is Snoke? Why did Kylo turn to the dark Side? Why is Rey so powerful with the force? How did The First Order come into power? I couldn’t care less now after seeing The Last Jedi.