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Thrawn is the biggest missed opportunity of any villain to NOT make on the “big screen,” of any movie franchise. Period! He is easily one of the best Characters in Star Wars, and is the only villain who could be more intimidating than Vader himself or any Sith for that matter! Long live Thrawn!
They could really lean on some of his more grey moral compass. (ya, his "evil", but he has SOME sympathetic qualities, which is more that I can say for pretty much any other imperial officer.)
@@709mash All he wanted to do was to join the most stable Government in the galaxy to stop the Vong Invasion. He was not evil, just trying to stop the Vong.
Thrawn and Kreia from KOTOR2. Both incredibly well written, interesting, smart puppet masters with grey morality. Would love to see that on the big screen.
A quote on the battle mentioned at 2:29: "On one side were handpicked units of Palpatine's own private army, equipped with fifteen top-line combat ships. On the other side were Commander Mitth'raw'nuruodo of the Chiss Expansionary Defense and perhaps twelve small and insignificant border patrol ships." "How badly did Thrawn slaughter them?" "Utterly." ―Voss Parck and Mara Jade
@@thekriegsman6233 Visions of the Future, by Timothy Zahn (don't know the page number). Second in a duology that hints at some of Thrawn's backstory. The events described take place in the book Outbound Flight (also Zahn).
I’d side with Thrawn if I was in Star Wars Legends just because he’s right on the best way to beat the Yu Zong Vong. And he’s respectful unlike many officers
Agreed, the greater good mentality is hard to combat when the only other players would kill you for failure or expect you to die for the cause. Thrawn was the only side that wanted to maintain the maximum amount of life.
vampuricknight1 yeah he’s the only imperial besides Palleon that I agree are the best leaders for the empire. And war isn’t black and white. It’s about winning while preserving as much life as possible, one reason I think super weapons are a waste of resources.
@@msutter117 even in the new canon palpatine's former flunkies at the end of return of the jedi are like... Why did we let him build a costly super weapon in the first place.... but even worse how could we bankrupt the galaxy a 2nd time to build a 2nd one! They also remarked something like each death star equaled something like 1,000 star destroyers and dreadnaughts in materials alone. With that number of ships they could have sent an imperial force to ever single system and wiped out the rebels through sheer numbers (literally being everywhere at once)... but instead palpatine had to have his giant death laser... because.... reasons.
vampuricknight1 In both Legends and Canon Thrawn is far better at leading then the emperor. Honestly force projection is stronger then fear. More ships cover more territory and even better the empire is less likely to fall apart. The super star destroyers make more sense to me
Matthew Sutter Nah, Palpatine is. He orchestrated the CW personally, influencing the separatist tactics and he is a cunning politician. He not only knew military tactics but also the social and monetary side of the galaxy, which Thrawn didn’t. Thrawn was a military genius. Thrawn wanted to build stealth ships but Sidious ordered superweapons to be built which was the correct calls since the Vong had planet destroying capabilities too and the superweapons could be used as a fear tactic to supress any rebellion which would arrise from the Vong/Rebels conflict. Palpatine foresaw everything except Vader and would’ve won if it wasn’t for that.
Quite interesting that in the Expanded Universe, the 'New Republic' is basically responsible for how successful the yuuzhan vong was in defeating so much of the SW galaxy.
@hanikrummi hundursvin the rebels basically abandoned people to a Yuuzhan Vong colonoscopy and Borsk Fey’lya just gave them some KY jelly to make the coral spikes less painful
Some sources say that Thrawn is a villain but I disagree. Thrawn is more like a hero who served the wrong side. Thrawn is nothing like a villain because he is kind, reasonable, honorable, and be respectful toward everyone even his enemies, I can't call this kind of personality a villain. He is a good guy antagonist.
the jedi and the republic were the true villains. The empire brought freedom, capitalism, order, and security to their people.What did the republic offer. Corruption, slavery, socialism, and chaos. The Jedis were as bad if not worse then the Sith. The Jedi would hunt down Sith and kill them just lke the sith would. I have to state that I would support the Empire as it would be a society I would prefer to reside in. I believe order is more important than freedom as society cannot function without structure and guidance.
what has the rebellion brought? they commit acts of terrorism against a government that has brought order, peace, and prosperity to the galaxy. The Empire did not bother a race unless they tried to resist the Empire. I like the empire because it represents what I desire in a government. There should be one person with absolute control of the government. The government should favour Slavic, Latin, Asian, Turkic, Iranian and Arabic People. and should act Machiavellian. I must admit that I am a Fascist and this is why I am attracted to the Empire.
I liked Stalin and dreamed of living during his time and my only disagreement with Hitler was when he attacked the Soviet Union. I am willing to live without freedom of speech and human rights as long as my state provides law and order and punishes those who break the law. I dislike disorder and inefficiency.
I also do not like Democracy as it is inefficient. The common person should not be choosing their leadership as they are not educated enough to make decisions having to do with governance. if you allow peasants to govern you end up like the USA which is a big mistake that now threatens the entire world.
What you believe in is called totalitarianism. A totalitarian regime is made up of one arrogant person surrounded by a bureaucracy of cowards. They rule out of fear and make the population dependent on the government for security and necessities like food and water. Those who think and act differently or defiantly are swiftly neutralized. But a totalitarian regime will never have a place in my homeland, because I believe that there should never be any one person who has absolute power over anyone else. That belief is at the heart of the American identity. If you allow peasants to govern you end up like the USA, a country that beat the world's most powerful military in a revolution which still shakes the world today. This country has survived a civil war, fought in many foreign wars over the last two centuries, has protected allies and made enemies tremble with fear. America has managed to build a society out of people from all over the Earth, from all nations, from all races. And while not all are treated equally here, most are better off living in America rather than in the lands of their ancestors. America is respected and well regarded by the majority of people around the world precisely because of the 'peasants' who shaped this nation. If the only weakness of America is the people who live in it, then it's all the proof I need of how strong a democracy can be and how much faith I can put in humanity.
Its more interesting than he new canon. Lots of creativity and different ideas. But you gotta admit, its pretty convoluted and it does tend to contradict itself sometimes.
Girly Knight I prefer stories that have a more grounded continuity. Also, George Lucas had an original philosophy for Star Wars. I'm all for expansion, but I feel that the EU got way off track sometimes. Disney seems to be having a similar problem right now. Personally, I think expansion of a universe should be allowed, but there should always be something linking it back to the main philosophies of the original intent. I liked Revan, Bane, the history of the Je'daii , the Republic comics, Thrawn trilogy etc. But Palpatine clone? The Yuuzahn Vong? An invading alien race that is almost immune to the Force? Its just way way off-base in my opinion. I understand that a lot of people loved that kind of stuff, but it simply did not feel like Star Wars to me.
I agree. The old EU had some great stories, but a lot of stories were glorified fan fiction. Like the Glove of Vader or I, Jedi. It felt like an entirely different genre and had zero Star Wars.
Old legends Imperial Remnant and eventually Fel Empire were great concepts. Imperial Remnant was used in Mandolorian to great effect. The Fel Empire wasn't a totalitarian autocracy but rather a benevolent monarchy, which treated its subjects with respect, even possessing institutionalized force users who protected the emperor and upheld the values of the empire. I would've loved a reformed Empire and New Republic hunting a previously unseen common foe (a la True Sith in KOTOR II) and coming together to defeat them despite great cultural differences, with a particular focus on Jedi Knight game series and Luke's SUCCESSFUL Jedi Praxeum. Making the Empire lawful neutral would be an interesting step for the SW universe, but as we all know they chose shallow storytelling and plastic characters, trashing established themes and removing any nuance that survived the SE and prequels. I love EU and prequel days btw, but prequels are objectively bad movies, but great storyline. I think George Lucas is a bonafide genius and a true visionary. I could go on for days about how SW 1977-2012 was just the bombdiggity though I lost interest around 2006. I miss the old galactic database if anyone remembers that.
Empire Forever! But yeah with Thrawn at it's head, this Empire would make great progress, and probably do away with those stupid anti-alien acts or whatever, those were stupid to begin with.
Thrawn is like the Sherlock Holmes of the Star Wars universe. he meets you once and he already knows everything about you. i'm convinced Holmes was an inspiration for the character.
PhantomRedKnight Vitiate ended up dying... There’s a difference between immortality and invincibility. His original clone body got destroyed. Same with Nihilus as his power is held in the mask which is buried and lost.
There is a policy that has real world association. Projection of fear is necessary to bring certain factions to heel, who better to prepare you for the Hell of a Galactic Invasion than Lucifer himself and his minions? Some side effects of making deals with devils may apply.
Literally no. The Jedi Order was corrupt, yes, but Palpatine was still an incredibly evil Sith Lord who ruled by fear and subjugation, and approved mass slavery.
Legends Timeline was definitely more creative and kept the story going on and had stronger stories when it comes to comics, novels and videogames. I think canon managed to almost catch up on the level of how good it's Tv show Star Wars Rebels is.
Villain or anti hero thrawn is easily the most untapped asset in the actual star wars canon. I love what rebels did to further his legacy and its been stated that he is still alive..long live thrawn!
1:14 Actually, the earliest known Chiss to have human contact was named Cyndra. She appears in the Bane Trilogy and was part of the Anti-Republic Liberation Front.
The chiss used to live in lesser space even before that. The sith wars and others have made it hard to stay in lesser space without loosing too many lives so they moved back to where we see Chiss space. It could be that the ruins on Batu are acient Chiss ruins in the likes of the black spire
I read the Thrawn-Trilogy from Timothy Zahn but this here told me still so many stuff i didnt new. And with that information i have to say: Maybe Palpatine was really right. Oh man this opens my mind to thoughts i never could imagine befor. Thx man, and i think i will have to search for a few certain books soon. U really ignitet my passion for the extended Univers again.
Thrawn is my favorite character in Star Wars. A true dedicated warrior and strategist. He is a master of warfare, using political manipulation. He doesn't have Force powers, but commands fleets and armies. He's a skilled scientist, and excellent engineer.
4:31 The starfighter at the top is a Mandalorian starfighter known as a Kom'rk-class fighter/transport. I wonder if Vagaari actually had Mandalorian Kom'rks or if they stole it, or if its just for visual aid.
I believe I originally used it in a Mandalore video, but I changed the colors and some lines and now use it just as a general space ship, for a visual aid like you said.
Thank you so much for putting this effort to the video I am a THRAWN fan! I really do appreciate your work now please make the new version of THRAWN or at least comper the two
Dante and halofan perhaps he died on Expanded Universe but in Cannon is still alive!!!!!!!! It's too soon to say that. Let's hope that it will remain that way
Dante and halofan hope is weakness. We take action we need to demand them to not to do such a thing but such a powerful characters usually die because it's impossible to maintain their popularity.
And thus, at that ending, we arrive at the true reason why Disney destroyed legends. Because the are *utterly terrified* of ideas like "morally gray antagonists." In the Disney world it must be black and white. The protagonist must be good and the antagonist must be bad. They only make movies that can be comprehended by everyone, including children.
"20,000 clones to deal a crippling blow" love these numbers haha. Coruscant has over a quadrillion people. The empire had over a billion storm troopers. Hell, I'm pretty sure the Alabama state guard has over 20,000 soldiers.
Chris Modlin 20 thousand spartii yanks capable of putting out 1 clone in 20 days so after 20 days they will have 20 thousand. After only one year they will have over 360 thousand clones. It took the kaminoans over a decade to create 200 thousand
Yes but it would stand to reason there are several billion. Do you seriously think they actually won the war with 200000 clones against hundreds of billions of droids
The specifics are unknown, but the primary theory is that Palpatine learned of their existence through a myriad of spies and information brokers that stretched from coruscant to the outer edges of the galaxy. Most of the ground work was actually done by the former sith masters following Darth Bane's rule of two leading to what ended up being a 1,000 year plan to conquer the republic and the jedi. Hell, the sith would probably expect the possibility of an outside force naturally, given its kind of a trope of their order to build and recruit from the outer edges of the galaxy which the republic tends to forget even exists, and then stomp their way to the republic center with the built up forces.
God, can you imagine if Thrawn was the "villain" of what should have been his trilogy? They would have had an Icon in an instant as he is with us Star Wars fans
I don't think Palpatine was necessarily right with respects to the Vong threat. The Republic already had great military minds like Thrawn who could've repelled the invasion force. I think the creation of the empire to create a military force was unnecessary due to the fact that it's creation spawned the rebellion and decades of back and forth wars losing valuable resources and manpower. Palpatine prioritized his own power over the security of the galaxy by plunging it in a perpetual state of war for many decades resulting in a weaker galaxy. Had he informed the Senate of the extragalactic threat they would've had 3 decades to formulate a solution. Unfortunately for the galaxy far far away that didn't happen.
Palpatine Was evil, no doubt about it, and he made a lot of avoidable mistakes, but O'pali was 100% true when he surmised that Palpatine's Empire would have been able to fend off the Yuuzhan Vong with far less losses and casualties than the New Republic. With Thrawn at the head and all of Palpatine's projects, the Imperials would have conducted total war against the Yuuzhan Vong, not letting them gain a massiveass foothold in the galaxy or using inappropriate hit-and-run tactics like the New Republic did, which were geared towards the Empire and not the Vong. Plus, wasn't there a bioweapon, Alpha Red or something, that the New Republic developed that would specifically terminate the Vong but didn't use for "ethical" reasons? The Empire would have been as excited to use it as people nowadays will use their money for a ticket to the next major blockbuster. That way they can systematically annihilate their enemy with impunity while not having to worry about collateral damage, since it only affects the Yuuzhan Vong themselves. There would have been vastly-less casualties and loss of life in the Galaxy if the Empire had fought the Vong. Hell, the Vong sent their Ooglith shapeshifter agents to the Imperial Remnant to destabilize it as much as possible because they knew that the Imperials were still the biggest military threat to them.
I loved loved loved the letter in the end! "They refuse the possibility that the Empire's apparent brutality and ruthlessness were necessary parts of preparing for that terrible war. Why? Because that would lead them to the only logical conclusion: that Palpatine was right." You can see clearly here that the republic didn't care about people at all, only getting rid of the empire. It's the "villains" that truly sought to save the galaxy.
Quote that pretty much sums up Disney after buying Star Wars “He who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” -George Orwell 1984
Thrawn is a great representation of a sociopath. He gravitates towards positions of power, he's cold and calculating, makes his decisions purely out of logic rather than emotions, and he's not 'evil' for the sake of evil like the emperor but he we do evil acts if they serve the greater good.
A regular Plumbus yeah. In the new canon (Disnon, as I call it) he is incompetent and cannot beat a graffiti artist, a teenager, a blind Jedi, a astromech droid, a pilot, and a Wookie wannabe. Legends Thrown is WAY better.
@Gavin Duke My main issue with Thrawn in Disney (although I love his character) is that he seems the only Imperial who is competent. Yet he allows himself to be surrounded by incompetent, arrogant, self-serving Imperials who only bring him failure. Except for Yularen and Pellaeon, and they only have brief appearances, he's surrounded by idiots: Konstatine, Skerris, Pryce; they all fail him.
Dave Filoni hates the EU and what's to remakint it in is oun imege. Most Coley fan's thakin putting Thrawn in Rebels was a good thing, but it is one of the most inseting things they have done, by taken sonmthing form the EU and putting it into they croshin, and chanes to sout they own agend.
Ya, The Expanded Universe (not that "legends" trash label disney is trying to carve into people's minds) is leagues better than anything disney has put out with Star Wars.
EU Thrawn: Has the balls to tell Palpatine he is going to fuck up and proves to be right. Comes back from the Unknown Regions and gives the New Republic a serios challenge. And only loses by the sheer luck that one of his alien bodyguards decided to betray him in favor of the daughter of Vader, Leia. Canon Thrawn: No remarkable achievements exept getting flown away by Space Wales. Remind me again how EU was worse than the curent canon? LOL
Tolles Video mach so weiter. Aber könntest du bitte vielleicht ein Star Wars Legend Video über die Klonkriege machen? Darüber hast du noch kein Video Gemacht.
Amazing retelling of the Timothy Zahn trilogy! 🤗 Isnt this era Canon that occurred before the events of the current trilogy? Weren't the children of Han and Leia different in these stories or was Ben just another one of their kids?
That last quote at the end of the video that states that "Palpatine was right" should've sent shockwaves across the galaxy. Thrawn knew that the Empire stood a better chance against the Far Outsiders than the New Republic due to it's military might and numerous resources. Granted both had different approaches to ruling, but in the end, the means justify the end. In other words, Emperor Palpatine A.K.A Darth Sidious one of the most evil villains in the galaxy was truly and genuinely right!
I could see Thrawn as the primary antagonist of the sequel trilogy. Perhaps that cloned Jedi could be like Snoke and they manage to turn one of Leia and Han’d children, that child being Ben Solo aka Kylo Ren. The empire of the hand could become the first order, which is a rogue nation of former imperials trying desperately to regain control over the new republic. By the time episode 7 starts, they’ve become a significant threat to the republic to the point where they take over Corusant near the end of the film, to substitute the star killer base thing. ( I don’t hate the idea of the whole death star 2.0 but if planet killing weapons are a little played out they could try something different)
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Thrawn is the biggest missed opportunity of any villain to NOT make on the “big screen,” of any movie franchise. Period! He is easily one of the best Characters in Star Wars, and is the only villain who could be more intimidating than Vader himself or any Sith for that matter! Long live Thrawn!
They could really lean on some of his more grey moral compass. (ya, his "evil", but he has SOME sympathetic qualities, which is more that I can say for pretty much any other imperial officer.)
@@709mash All he wanted to do was to join the most stable Government in the galaxy to stop the Vong Invasion. He was not evil, just trying to stop the Vong.
@@aydintariq watch season 2 episode 5 of mando 😉
Thrawn and Kreia from KOTOR2. Both incredibly well written, interesting, smart puppet masters with grey morality. Would love to see that on the big screen.
@@PrimeUzi Holy freaking crap. I just did!
A quote on the battle mentioned at 2:29:
"On one side were handpicked units of Palpatine's own private army, equipped with fifteen top-line combat ships. On the other side were Commander Mitth'raw'nuruodo of the Chiss Expansionary Defense and perhaps twelve small and insignificant border patrol ships."
"How badly did Thrawn slaughter them?"
"Utterly."
―Voss Parck and Mara Jade
Ha
source?
@@thekriegsman6233 Visions of the Future, by Timothy Zahn (don't know the page number). Second in a duology that hints at some of Thrawn's backstory. The events described take place in the book Outbound Flight (also Zahn).
Thank you so much
It speaks to thrawns tactical genius. Chiss are built different I guess
I’d side with Thrawn if I was in Star Wars Legends just because he’s right on the best way to beat the Yu Zong Vong. And he’s respectful unlike many officers
Agreed, the greater good mentality is hard to combat when the only other players would kill you for failure or expect you to die for the cause.
Thrawn was the only side that wanted to maintain the maximum amount of life.
vampuricknight1 yeah he’s the only imperial besides Palleon that I agree are the best leaders for the empire. And war isn’t black and white. It’s about winning while preserving as much life as possible, one reason I think super weapons are a waste of resources.
@@msutter117 even in the new canon palpatine's former flunkies at the end of return of the jedi are like... Why did we let him build a costly super weapon in the first place.... but even worse how could we bankrupt the galaxy a 2nd time to build a 2nd one!
They also remarked something like each death star equaled something like 1,000 star destroyers and dreadnaughts in materials alone. With that number of ships they could have sent an imperial force to ever single system and wiped out the rebels through sheer numbers (literally being everywhere at once)... but instead palpatine had to have his giant death laser... because.... reasons.
vampuricknight1 In both Legends and Canon Thrawn is far better at leading then the emperor. Honestly force projection is stronger then fear. More ships cover more territory and even better the empire is less likely to fall apart. The super star destroyers make more sense to me
Matthew Sutter Nah, Palpatine is. He orchestrated the CW personally, influencing the separatist tactics and he is a cunning politician. He not only knew military tactics but also the social and monetary side of the galaxy, which Thrawn didn’t. Thrawn was a military genius. Thrawn wanted to build stealth ships but Sidious ordered superweapons to be built which was the correct calls since the Vong had planet destroying capabilities too and the superweapons could be used as a fear tactic to supress any rebellion which would arrise from the Vong/Rebels conflict. Palpatine foresaw everything except Vader and would’ve won if it wasn’t for that.
Quite interesting that in the Expanded Universe, the 'New Republic' is basically responsible for how successful the yuuzhan vong was in defeating so much of the SW galaxy.
@hanikrummi hundursvin the rebels basically abandoned people to a Yuuzhan Vong colonoscopy and Borsk Fey’lya just gave them some KY jelly to make the coral spikes less painful
Thrawn is the most interesting character in the whole Star Wars universe
Kreia wants to have a word with you
You mean that old bitter hypocritical bitch? Lol
Some sources say that Thrawn is a villain but I disagree. Thrawn is more like a hero who served the wrong side. Thrawn is nothing like a villain because he is kind, reasonable, honorable, and be respectful toward everyone even his enemies, I can't call this kind of personality a villain. He is a good guy antagonist.
the jedi and the republic were the true villains. The empire brought freedom, capitalism, order, and security to their people.What did the republic offer. Corruption, slavery, socialism, and chaos. The Jedis were as bad if not worse then the Sith. The Jedi would hunt down Sith and kill them just lke the sith would. I have to state that I would support the Empire as it would be a society I would prefer to reside in. I believe order is more important than freedom as society cannot function without structure and guidance.
what has the rebellion brought? they commit acts of terrorism against a government that has brought order, peace, and prosperity to the galaxy. The Empire did not bother a race unless they tried to resist the Empire. I like the empire because it represents what I desire in a government. There should be one person with absolute control of the government. The government should favour Slavic, Latin, Asian, Turkic, Iranian and Arabic People. and should act Machiavellian. I must admit that I am a Fascist and this is why I am attracted to the Empire.
I liked Stalin and dreamed of living during his time and my only disagreement with Hitler was when he attacked the Soviet Union. I am willing to live without freedom of speech and human rights as long as my state provides law and order and punishes those who break the law. I dislike disorder and inefficiency.
I also do not like Democracy as it is inefficient. The common person should not be choosing their leadership as they are not educated enough to make decisions having to do with governance. if you allow peasants to govern you end up like the USA which is a big mistake that now threatens the entire world.
What you believe in is called totalitarianism. A totalitarian regime is made up of one arrogant person surrounded by a bureaucracy of cowards. They rule out of fear and make the population dependent on the government for security and necessities like food and water. Those who think and act differently or defiantly are swiftly neutralized. But a totalitarian regime will never have a place in my homeland, because I believe that there should never be any one person who has absolute power over anyone else. That belief is at the heart of the American identity. If you allow peasants to govern you end up like the USA, a country that beat the world's most powerful military in a revolution which still shakes the world today. This country has survived a civil war, fought in many foreign wars over the last two centuries, has protected allies and made enemies tremble with fear. America has managed to build a society out of people from all over the Earth, from all nations, from all races. And while not all are treated equally here, most are better off living in America rather than in the lands of their ancestors. America is respected and well regarded by the majority of people around the world precisely because of the 'peasants' who shaped this nation. If the only weakness of America is the people who live in it, then it's all the proof I need of how strong a democracy can be and how much faith I can put in humanity.
Thrawns a badass, both in Legends and Rebels. Makes me glad I have the full Trawn book trilogy.
Isnt most of those stories no longer canon
Fernando Neto Fuck canon
@@fnfn9199 We are all a small part of a vast multiverse. Both are canon from a certain point of view.
Nah, rebels did horribly. Love the new books though.
@Logan Botill
It's alright but the Thrawn trilogy changed SW by having the middle ground instead big being always good or bad.
Thrawn: the Empire's undefeated chess champion
Only defeated when a white pawn switched sides.
##šthe
Knife in the chest states otherwise
Murdered by a plot dagger just before the largest triumph of his career
More like the Empires undefeated chiss champion. Eh? Eh? I’ll leave now
The Legends timeline is so much better than the new cannon.
Its more interesting than he new canon. Lots of creativity and different ideas. But you gotta admit, its pretty convoluted and it does tend to contradict itself sometimes.
Awake Now at some points but the new canon is a mess the comics and books are completely thrown away for the movies as seen with 8
An with wrong with being convoluted? Theirs lots of crazy stuff in other sci-fi like star trek and war hammer 40k
Girly Knight I prefer stories that have a more grounded continuity. Also, George Lucas had an original philosophy for Star Wars. I'm all for expansion, but I feel that the EU got way off track sometimes. Disney seems to be having a similar problem right now. Personally, I think expansion of a universe should be allowed, but there should always be something linking it back to the main philosophies of the original intent.
I liked Revan, Bane, the history of the Je'daii , the Republic comics, Thrawn trilogy etc. But Palpatine clone? The Yuuzahn Vong? An invading alien race that is almost immune to the Force? Its just way way off-base in my opinion. I understand that a lot of people loved that kind of stuff, but it simply did not feel like Star Wars to me.
I agree. The old EU had some great stories, but a lot of stories were glorified fan fiction. Like the Glove of Vader or I, Jedi. It felt like an entirely different genre and had zero Star Wars.
The Timothy Zahn timeline for Thrawn is a lot better in my opinion. His story is a whole lot easier to follow and make sense of.
Why can I only like this once?
This is so cool... I was surprised at how much of this I didn't know yet.
In star wars you either work for the government or you're a smuggler.
or a normal citizen lol
so would that mean the he was born 19 BBY ?
angel kitsune what?
Kind of a limited worldbuilding, right? XD
I like your comment because it doesn’t cause an argument about communism and capitalism
Who else thinks Thrawn is way better in ledgends than in cannon
Probally about 100% of the people watching this.
Only thing in cannon is a cannonball. However, yes, canon nerfed thrawn considerably.
William Sledge I do...
The canon novels do him justice in my opinion. He only sucks in Rebels
There is nothing in cannon that is better, or even on the same level, as legends, in my opinion.
A Comic series actually retored his backstory and he even had a novel and Rebels also stayed close to who he was.
I wish Thrawn would have won and restored the Empire..
A Sithless Empire might have been one worth living in.
Like the imperial remmnant minus corrupt.moffs thrawn believes in wnat he sid
Old legends Imperial Remnant and eventually Fel Empire were great concepts. Imperial Remnant was used in Mandolorian to great effect. The Fel Empire wasn't a totalitarian autocracy but rather a benevolent monarchy, which treated its subjects with respect, even possessing institutionalized force users who protected the emperor and upheld the values of the empire. I would've loved a reformed Empire and New Republic hunting a previously unseen common foe (a la True Sith in KOTOR II) and coming together to defeat them despite great cultural differences, with a particular focus on Jedi Knight game series and Luke's SUCCESSFUL Jedi Praxeum. Making the Empire lawful neutral would be an interesting step for the SW universe, but as we all know they chose shallow storytelling and plastic characters, trashing established themes and removing any nuance that survived the SE and prequels. I love EU and prequel days btw, but prequels are objectively bad movies, but great storyline. I think George Lucas is a bonafide genius and a true visionary. I could go on for days about how SW 1977-2012 was just the bombdiggity though I lost interest around 2006. I miss the old galactic database if anyone remembers that.
Empire Forever! But yeah with Thrawn at it's head, this Empire would make great progress, and probably do away with those stupid anti-alien acts or whatever, those were stupid to begin with.
You do remember the empire was the bad guys right?
Thrown is the Empire's Erwin Rommel
Thrawn is like the Sherlock Holmes of the Star Wars universe. he meets you once and he already knows everything about you. i'm convinced Holmes was an inspiration for the character.
Nope. He takes one look at your artwork and he already knows everything about you.
Darth Sidious: only one being has escaped death.
*shows clone wars season 7*
Vitiate, the Immortal Sith Emperor.
PhantomRedKnight Vitiate ended up dying... There’s a difference between immortality and invincibility. His original clone body got destroyed. Same with Nihilus as his power is held in the mask which is buried and lost.
Palpatine was right.
Yes
It don't matter now does it😂
There is a policy that has real world association. Projection of fear is necessary to bring certain factions to heel, who better to prepare you for the Hell of a Galactic Invasion than Lucifer himself and his minions? Some side effects of making deals with devils may apply.
Otherwise the carebear stare approach, also known as the Minmay Attack has its uses. Just tactically unreliable.
Literally no. The Jedi Order was corrupt, yes, but Palpatine was still an incredibly evil Sith Lord who ruled by fear and subjugation, and approved mass slavery.
The greatest character within the Star Wars series.
Legends Timeline was definitely more creative and kept the story going on and had stronger stories when it comes to comics, novels and videogames. I think canon managed to almost catch up on the level of how good it's Tv show Star Wars Rebels is.
Villain or anti hero thrawn is easily the most untapped asset in the actual star wars canon. I love what rebels did to further his legacy and its been stated that he is still alive..long live thrawn!
1:14 Actually, the earliest known Chiss to have human contact was named Cyndra. She appears in the Bane Trilogy and was part of the Anti-Republic Liberation Front.
The chiss used to live in lesser space even before that. The sith wars and others have made it hard to stay in lesser space without loosing too many lives so they moved back to where we see Chiss space. It could be that the ruins on Batu are acient Chiss ruins in the likes of the black spire
I feel Legends Thrawn is older than our current Thrawn.
doubt it
@@goodmind4940 Legends Thrawn died about 9 years after 1 ABY, whereas the canon version disappeared in 1 BBY. So, yes, he was older.
@@Miguel11190 canon Thrawn still experienced some variation of Outbound Flight, they should be same age
@@Miguel11190 Actually, Canon Thrawn disappeared in 0 BBY.
Legends Thrawn is smarter than Canon Thrawn.
I read the Thrawn-Trilogy from Timothy Zahn but this here told me still so many stuff i didnt new. And with that information i have to say: Maybe Palpatine was really right. Oh man this opens my mind to thoughts i never could imagine befor. Thx man, and i think i will have to search for a few certain books soon. U really ignitet my passion for the extended Univers again.
I subbed!
Lol
Who is the real thrawn
Grand Admiral..... Real or clone..
Traitor
I'm the real one he is a new republic spy
*Let's not forget that Palpatine's/Sideous' own transference continued to possess the body of clones & others.*
Thrawn is my favorite character in Star Wars. A true dedicated warrior and strategist. He is a master of warfare, using political manipulation. He doesn't have Force powers, but commands fleets and armies. He's a skilled scientist, and excellent engineer.
Very stupid that disney didnt just re-cast and go with this for the sequels, would have been unreal
We were on the verge of greatness. We were *this close*.
Convenient,I just read the Thrawn Trilogy
4:31
The starfighter at the top is a Mandalorian starfighter known as a Kom'rk-class fighter/transport. I wonder if Vagaari actually had Mandalorian Kom'rks or if they stole it, or if its just for visual aid.
I believe I originally used it in a Mandalore video, but I changed the colors and some lines and now use it just as a general space ship, for a visual aid like you said.
Great vid.
Your voice is good for telling an epic story.
Thank you so much for putting this effort to the video I am a THRAWN fan! I really do appreciate your work now please make the new version of THRAWN or at least comper the two
Rip Thrawn
Dante and halofan perhaps he died on Expanded Universe but in Cannon is still alive!!!!!!!! It's too soon to say that. Let's hope that it will remain that way
Abgar Sargsyan I hope he don't die
Dante and halofan hope is weakness. We take action we need to demand them to not to do such a thing but such a powerful characters usually die because it's impossible to maintain their popularity.
Personally I think the new Thrawn could never defeat the original.
Come for Thrawn, Stay for CivilizationEx
I went down a thrawn rabbit hole the last few days...what an amazing character, how was he not in the sequel trilogy??? Baffling
Because Kathleen Kennedy hired people she could control, not actual creatives.
And thus, at that ending, we arrive at the true reason why Disney destroyed legends. Because the are *utterly terrified* of ideas like "morally gray antagonists." In the Disney world it must be black and white. The protagonist must be good and the antagonist must be bad. They only make movies that can be comprehended by everyone, including children.
Only just found you and I just wanted to say good job and I love the detail
Here after the newest episode of the Mandalorian for a refresher Thrawn. He’s finally coming into the mainstream canon!
I see you’ve invested in higher end recording equipment. Thanks for the cool vids!!
Legends>>>>>>>>>>>>Disnon. Always. Rogue One is the only Disnon movie I accept as canon just because of the Deathtroopers.
Gavin Duke even the death troopers are not really well used
But rogue one was good
This is good. A complete history in one place.
Oh man you should totally do a dark empire and yuuzhan Vong episode
"20,000 clones to deal a crippling blow"
love these numbers haha. Coruscant has over a quadrillion people. The empire had over a billion storm troopers. Hell, I'm pretty sure the Alabama state guard has over 20,000 soldiers.
Chris Modlin 20 thousand spartii yanks capable of putting out 1 clone in 20 days so after 20 days they will have 20 thousand. After only one year they will have over 360 thousand clones. It took the kaminoans over a decade to create 200 thousand
@@finnalsop7111 no there were several billion clones. A unit, is 50,000 clones approx, and there were 200,000 units.
@@egzabiheryemsgen4982 This was Legends, not Canon.
Yes but it would stand to reason there are several billion. Do you seriously think they actually won the war with 200000 clones against hundreds of billions of droids
@@egzabiheryemsgen4982this is why the militia model was used by republic tacticians for the first half of the war.
How could Palpatine know the Vong were coming if they were outside the galaxy and they're immune to being directly acted on by the force?
The specifics are unknown, but the primary theory is that Palpatine learned of their existence through a myriad of spies and information brokers that stretched from coruscant to the outer edges of the galaxy. Most of the ground work was actually done by the former sith masters following Darth Bane's rule of two leading to what ended up being a 1,000 year plan to conquer the republic and the jedi.
Hell, the sith would probably expect the possibility of an outside force naturally, given its kind of a trope of their order to build and recruit from the outer edges of the galaxy which the republic tends to forget even exists, and then stomp their way to the republic center with the built up forces.
I'm triggered that jakku and takodana are on this map
Then go read The Glove of Vader and cry to someone who cares lmao
Daniel Gonzalez Idiotic.. Takodana and Jakku are both canon, legends, and old canon.
@@PugnaciousProductions No. They are only canon.
RenzoM Jakku is legends and canon
I’m so excited for the second thrown cannon book to come out.
God, can you imagine if Thrawn was the "villain" of what should have been his trilogy? They would have had an Icon in an instant as he is with us Star Wars fans
The coolest dude with the name I still struggle to say
I don't think Palpatine was necessarily right with respects to the Vong threat. The Republic already had great military minds like Thrawn who could've repelled the invasion force. I think the creation of the empire to create a military force was unnecessary due to the fact that it's creation spawned the rebellion and decades of back and forth wars losing valuable resources and manpower. Palpatine prioritized his own power over the security of the galaxy by plunging it in a perpetual state of war for many decades resulting in a weaker galaxy. Had he informed the Senate of the extragalactic threat they would've had 3 decades to formulate a solution. Unfortunately for the galaxy far far away that didn't happen.
Lore keeps pointing to the idea that the Jedi are what led to the galaxies doom every single time.
Wish we could get Thrawn movies, instead of Mary Sues and angsty force sensitive children in the Plot Wholes Galore new Canon
You're videos are stupendous. Very informative and to the point. Great stuff!
Thrawn was born as Kivu'raw'nuru on planet Rentor and was adopted as a child. Thrass was original born to Mitth family
Subscribed and Upvoted. Nice. I love Thrawn.
Not even Thrawn could prevent the destruction of his character
Superb job!
Thrawn is a badass both in canon and in legends.
i love this youtube channel
Palpatine Was evil, no doubt about it, and he made a lot of avoidable mistakes, but O'pali was 100% true when he surmised that Palpatine's Empire would have been able to fend off the Yuuzhan Vong with far less losses and casualties than the New Republic. With Thrawn at the head and all of Palpatine's projects, the Imperials would have conducted total war against the Yuuzhan Vong, not letting them gain a massiveass foothold in the galaxy or using inappropriate hit-and-run tactics like the New Republic did, which were geared towards the Empire and not the Vong. Plus, wasn't there a bioweapon, Alpha Red or something, that the New Republic developed that would specifically terminate the Vong but didn't use for "ethical" reasons? The Empire would have been as excited to use it as people nowadays will use their money for a ticket to the next major blockbuster. That way they can systematically annihilate their enemy with impunity while not having to worry about collateral damage, since it only affects the Yuuzhan Vong themselves. There would have been vastly-less casualties and loss of life in the Galaxy if the Empire had fought the Vong. Hell, the Vong sent their Ooglith shapeshifter agents to the Imperial Remnant to destabilize it as much as possible because they knew that the Imperials were still the biggest military threat to them.
Yeah your right
I'd love to see him fighting the far outsiders in canon
U should make one on the yuuzhan vong war
I pictured the ysalamiri being gangly humanoids, thank you for correcting that,
Wow that ending whas just mind=blown!
I loved loved loved the letter in the end!
"They refuse the possibility that the Empire's apparent brutality and ruthlessness were necessary parts of preparing for that terrible war. Why? Because that would lead them to the only logical conclusion: that Palpatine was right."
You can see clearly here that the republic didn't care about people at all, only getting rid of the empire. It's the "villains" that truly sought to save the galaxy.
Quote that pretty much sums up Disney after buying Star Wars
“He who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
-George Orwell 1984
Thrawn is a great representation of a sociopath. He gravitates towards positions of power, he's cold and calculating, makes his decisions purely out of logic rather than emotions, and he's not 'evil' for the sake of evil like the emperor but he we do evil acts if they serve the greater good.
Chaotic good :P
Legends?! Thrawn is CANON, although the part about Mara Jade is Legends.
Theawn is canon but his background story and the outsider/Yuzhan Vong storyline is legends.
C'Baoth demanding a meeting and then using the force to trap Thrawn's fleet sounds an awful lot like perfidy.
Now Thrawn was grand admiral before luke joined rebellion and disappeared with ezra
It's such a shame that Thrawn was re-introduced in that horrid Rebels show. He's been neutered by Disney Inc.
A regular Plumbus same thrawn now as ever. Him in the new thrawn book by Zahn is amazing
A regular Plumbus yeah. In the new canon (Disnon, as I call it) he is incompetent and cannot beat a graffiti artist, a teenager, a blind Jedi, a astromech droid, a pilot, and a Wookie wannabe. Legends Thrown is WAY better.
@Gavin Duke My main issue with Thrawn in Disney (although I love his character) is that he seems the only Imperial who is competent. Yet he allows himself to be surrounded by incompetent, arrogant, self-serving Imperials who only bring him failure. Except for Yularen and Pellaeon, and they only have brief appearances, he's surrounded by idiots: Konstatine, Skerris, Pryce; they all fail him.
Dave Filoni hates the EU and what's to remakint it in is oun imege.
Most Coley fan's thakin putting Thrawn in Rebels was a good thing, but it is one of the most inseting things they have done, by taken sonmthing form the EU and putting it into they croshin, and chanes to sout they own agend.
Ya, The Expanded Universe (not that "legends" trash label disney is trying to carve into people's minds) is leagues better than anything disney has put out with Star Wars.
MAN OH MAN...this is great stuff!
Best Star Wars Character, Fight Me
EU Thrawn: Has the balls to tell Palpatine he is going to fuck up and proves to be right. Comes back from the Unknown Regions and gives the New Republic a serios challenge. And only loses by the sheer luck that one of his alien bodyguards decided to betray him in favor of the daughter of Vader, Leia. Canon Thrawn: No remarkable achievements exept getting flown away by Space Wales. Remind me again how EU was worse than the curent canon? LOL
is there a full list of books where all of this this comes from?
I thought I had read all the thrawn books but there are gaps I'm missing
This should have been the movies. Thrawn would have been an epic movie villain
Tolles Video mach so weiter. Aber könntest du bitte vielleicht ein Star Wars Legend Video über die Klonkriege machen? Darüber hast du noch kein Video Gemacht.
👏PALPATINE👏DID👏NOTHING👏WRONG👏
YO DAMN RIGHT HE WAS MUH EMPEROR and so was thrawn.
Killed an entire planet but i guess hes the good guy now..
The trawn trilogy is fucking brilliant
Im on the 1st book and its fantastic
#PalpatineDidNothingWrong
Will there be more Lore on the wheel of time?
New vid for WoT in March :)
Cheers, thank you :)
Thrawn is one of the most intelligent character in the Star Wars extended universe.
Amazing retelling of the Timothy Zahn trilogy! 🤗 Isnt this era Canon that occurred before the events of the current trilogy? Weren't the children of Han and Leia different in these stories or was Ben just another one of their kids?
Thrawn was made canon but his story is a bit different. This version of the story is no longer canon.
They threw away a lot of thrawn like when he was with Paleaon we shall see what is the new cannon in the Ashoka series
@@winngedhussarmalaka7685oh that Ashoka series didn’t go too well
That last quote at the end of the video that states that "Palpatine was right" should've sent shockwaves across the galaxy. Thrawn knew that the Empire stood a better chance against the Far Outsiders than the New Republic due to it's military might and numerous resources. Granted both had different approaches to ruling, but in the end, the means justify the end. In other words, Emperor Palpatine A.K.A Darth Sidious one of the most evil villains in the galaxy was truly and genuinely right!
I see your defeat. Like many arms surronding you in a cold embrace.
Nice mate 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
Awesome channel
They still wasting him in 2023
love the hand of judgment book!
Thrawn should have the sequels’ main antagonist. I don’t care if they have to retcon the Chiss life expectancy and aging to do so.
Still a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better story for thrawn than the bastardized disney/filoni version.
concise abbreviation. nice.
Thrawn is so brilliant
Missing the gold epaulettes on the thumbnail
I could see Thrawn as the primary antagonist of the sequel trilogy. Perhaps that cloned Jedi could be like Snoke and they manage to turn one of Leia and Han’d children, that child being Ben Solo aka Kylo Ren. The empire of the hand could become the first order, which is a rogue nation of former imperials trying desperately to regain control over the new republic. By the time episode 7 starts, they’ve become a significant threat to the republic to the point where they take over Corusant near the end of the film, to substitute the star killer base thing. ( I don’t hate the idea of the whole death star 2.0 but if planet killing weapons are a little played out they could try something different)
I'm sorry Thrawn. You're a hero. And you have to leave.
Thrawn should have been the main antagonist of the sequels. I don’t care if they have to retcon the Chiss lifespan and aging.
Citation is right about the galaxy wars history.
Please do one for mara jade