My favorite Luke. He actually did stuff. The funny thing is Legends Luke failed a bunch of times and lost many people he cared about, including his wife. Difference? He never gave up. He never ran from his problems but instead learned from them and became wiser. He's more heroic than anyone from Disney Star Wars.
@Chosen One ah, so she's stolen the journey and destiny that was rightfully Luke's in Return of the Jedi. Rey is a poorly written Mary Sue that has done nothing to earn the right to rebuild the Jedi. She's NOT Luke's adopted daughter. They never had that kind of bond. And Force dyads are stupid. Not how the Force or how Force bonds work.
@Chosen One "no she has not" Yes. She has. "Luke restarted a Jedi order in canon" Making a half-assed attempt to train 12 students and then giving up because one of them turned to the dark side is not "restarting a Jedi Order" its pathetic. "He trained grogu Grogu will have a important part in later events" You mean the same Grogu that rejected Luke's training to rejoin Mando? Yeah...ok. "Ashoka part of Luke order So maybe she and Ezra will help spread Luke order to the unknown regions" Ahsoka straight up says she's not part of Luke's order in BOBF. Ezra remains to be seen, but so far there's nothing to indicate he's part of Luke's half-assed attempt at training Jedi. "Luke sacrificed himself for the rebels Without him They would of all lost…….." That was Jake Skywalker not Luke. The actual Luke would have shown up in person. And not given up. "Rey will know not to repeat the same mistakes Luke did" Mistakes that, had Luke been written properly, he would never have made. Rey still doesn't deserve Luke's destiny of restarting the Jedi. You've done nothing to actually refute that point. "The Jedi order was destroyed by Darth Krayt" If memory serves, he did a lot of damage, but he didn't obliterate the Jedi to the last man the way Palpatine did. They were eventually able to rally and fight back. "Jaina foresaw Jacen would be the new Palpatine" That's kinda why she stabbed him through the heart. "Got it’s the same has canon" They are absolutely not the same. Just tell us how much Disney is paying you dude.
EU Luke's New Jedi Order is the best iteration of the Jedi Order. Luke doesn't know what the old Order was like so he just uses his own experiences to build the next generation of the Jedi Knights. - No more rules of attachment. - Not getting too involved with Republic politics like the old Order (which led the Prequel Order to their downfall) - Allowing adults to join the Order. The New Jedi Order went through multiple conflicts but they still stay strong 135 years later in the Legacy era (Cade Skywalker time).
EU’s Luke did the most important thing that the Old Jedi never could… he allowed the Jedi to embrace their emotions while balancing themselves with the Force. He didn’t try to force them to become robotic slaves to the Force’s will, but true allies of the Force who would know both themselves and the Force. Luke became what I believed Qui-Gon would have been if Qui-Gon had become Grand Master. Also, in a funny way… Luke did what the Jedi Exile tried to do ages ago… create a new, better version of the Jedi Order without the dogma that weighed down the Jedi of old.
@@trevinodude I understand what you're getting at, but the Jedi never rejected emotions. They developed friendships within the order and the master and student relationship is a sacred one, like a father/son or grandfather/granddaughter relationship. The Jedi did teach to control your emotions they just lost their way and stagnated after a thousand years, which is only natural after such a long time.
EU's version of the NJO actually followed logical progression with the Order facing truly difficult and complicated moral questions every step of the way. It made you care about the characters and understand that you don't have to repeat the mistakes of the past, you can learn.
And they also had absolute UNITS of Jedi beside's Luke himself. The NJO was far more in line with the ancient Je'daii order then the old Jedi Order, and came out with absolute BEASTS.
"In context, this is actually cool" This is the beauty of the Star Wars Expanded Universe in a nutshell. To outsiders, it seems like ridiculous 90's camp. But to those of our tribe; those who took the time to dive in and fall in love with these stories, it means so much more.
I always considered Legends to be the true canon. It fits with the OT and prequel trilogy like a glove pertaining to the lore and characters. Luke would definitely become powerful and run a Jedi Academy that actually went somewhere. Disney canon contradicts Luke to the point where I can't see those films as canon, therefore I don't let it bug me too much. Whatever Disney does is meaningless, because there's a huge amount of Legends material to enjoy. I'm not disregarding the Legends stories, games, micro series, etc just because some multi-billion dollar corporation said that their awful fan fiction is the real story. Also Jacen Solo is easily in my top 5 favorite characters along with Vader/Anakin and Darth Bane. He's complex and steals the show every time he's around. Glad you're back by the way. This video was great.
@Chosen One not really, even before that Legends Luke was more ambitious, aside from The main temple in Yavin iv he also took back the jedi temple in coruscant and allowed the jedi to have families, canon luke just had a small academy in one planet and was exactly like The old jedi.
My favorite Luke moment in the old EU was when he crossed a lake of lava without special tools or protection. Yes, that iteration of Luke was so *BADASS* that he's a *_lavawalker._* And off in the corner, Anakin's just sitting there in his life-support armor, and crying into his mouth vocabulator.
@@saberiandream316 Very good choices yes. I'd also probably probably Dawn of the Jedi, Bane trilogy and Thrawn trilogy. Obvious I know. For the Republic comics, assuming it works like arcs like i recall it doing, we could probably add parts from other CWMMP projects it as well. The plot of the 2002 clone wars game, Yoda Dark Rendezvous, Labyrinth of Evil, Cestus deception, Jedi trial and Episode III novelization. Medstar and Shatterpoint would probably need to be their own movies
That scene also made the Mustafar duel believable! As for my favorite part of that trilogy--Because I'm a Christian, Kyp Durron's arc resonates with me on a spiritual level. Grace is INHERENTLY scandalous, and I believe we're ALL in the position Durron was when Exar Kun was defeated. (It's just that Durron's misdeeds are simply more dramatic than most people's)
You know what? Dark Empire brings up a good concept. While Anakin may have redeemed himself by saving Luke, Luke still needed a challenge to prove he was capable of being a Jedi on his own. Besides Palpatine coming back 6 years later for Luke to deal with as opposed to 30 years later by some random person is a more fulfilling story. Just finished Dark Empire. Everyone who says it's bad hasn't actually read it. I'm glad I read Tales of the Jedi beforehand because it made the story so much stronger. Luke AND Leia come into their own and it's a beautiful thing seeing the start of his order. When he and his new students all stand united and declare the return of the Jedi I had to stop and take it all in. It sucks we'll never see this universe continue and we'll never see it adapted to live action.
Fun fact: the original plan was to clone Darth Vader. But George Lucas stepped in and said no. Despite his claim that he "doesn't read any of that stuff", Lucas was more involved in Legends than people think. He may have seen it as a separate canon, but he wanted it to be close to his vision.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I heard the plan was actually to put someone in a Darth Vader suit for the purpose of propaganda. There was in fact a Vader clone that was made, but it was incredibly weak and Vader killed him. Funny enough it was made in a cloning lab made under the Jedi Enclave from KOTOR.
I have issues with Dark Empire. Mostly the Emperor pulling out not one, but _three_ new superweapon types. World devastators were cool. Eclipse-class SSDs were... A little much, particularly the Emperor pulling out a second one immediately after the first's destruction. The Galaxy Gun is IMO tied with the Sun Crusher for the single worst superweapon idea. It's filled with stuff that's _cool,_ but it forces the question "why didn't the Emperor pull out any of this to begin with?". Some of it I understand, superweapons can be developed secretly post-Endor, Palpatine's younger, stronger body may let him channel all the force ability of a young body with all the skill of an old master. But you're telling me he didn't bring the Eye, or whatever that old but OP Dreadnought model was, or Sentinels, or anything Sith Alchemy related with him to the final battle against the Rebels? Guess what the Disney trilogy decided to copy about the already controversial Dark Empire saga?
What I love about legends is how much it built on itself. I've never interacted much with post episode 6 legends (I was a prequel kid, episode 1 got me into star wars) I've read up on wookieepedia, so I know the broad strokes. Exar Kun as a name is familiar to me from the old republic content however, and I never realised he appeared here as well. Legends writers and creators did a better job at keeping the canon straight than Disney's dedicated team have, despite the fact that Disney literally annihilated all this amazing content from the canon.
@@loganriling4888 Dave filoni is an overrated sjw and a talentless hack who steal from others writers doesn't care about continuity and consistency all he cares about is ashoka tano
@@loganriling4888 You want to know what's sad? South Park did a whole joke about Mickey being psycho for an episode YEARS ago, and now the joke is actually reality. Trey Parker and Matt Stone predicted the future of Disney. Let that sink in.
A lot of people don't like to read. Also I met so many star Wars fans that actually liked Luke in TLJ because it was "grounded and realistic". I'm like this is Star Wars. No one wants grounded in reality when it comes to their space fantasy heroes. It's sad how people these days prefer dark, gritty and depressing characters applied to every franchise.
@@amarcellus1714 The thing is, Luke was realistic in the EU. He struggled, he failed, and he was often wrong. What made him unique was that he kept getting back up and learning from his errors. Star Wars, and other works of fantasy, serve as metaphors for real things we all have to deal with. Luke was universal. He was a role model whom anyone could emulate and seek to live up to. Luke in the Disney canon is written by cynics who projected their own nihilism onto a character who was never meant to carry said nihilism, all for the sake of validating their worldview.
@@jaffarebellion292 you don't have to tell me that. I grew up on the EU and worshiped the New Jedi Order. No one's heart broke more than mine when I saw that trilogy 😞
Timothy Zahn is so great he could make the evil clone trope work. Clone Luuke is in fact totally brilliant, in part because of the plot twist he allows for.
I agree. Although the name is a bit corny. I would have called him Kane. That would be a great homage to Kane Starkiller, brother of Luke Starkiller in the original Star Wars drafts.
@@vetarlittorf1807 SPOILER ALERT because she followed it. She killed Luuke Skywalker as commanded/prophesied by the Emperor. Also the name follows a convention for clones.
Legends Luke IS the Chosen One. After Anakin's fall and later death, the Force chose Luke to be the galaxy's beacon of Light. But he also had to earn it. He didn't just become OP overnight, he spent years and years training, fighting, and learning. Decades of wars, invasions, galactic-destroying threats, loss on the grand and intimate scale, countless brushes with temptations to the Darkside. Luke was pushed to be the absolute best he could possibly be. Not for himself but for the ones he loved. And that meant everyone. Didn't matter if they were his family, his friends, his comrades, his students, his detractors, or the countless strangers of the universe that he could/would never know. Luke Skywalker valued life and peace. And he would happily lay down his life if he could achieve that for even one person. Luke was a great and inspiring leader, a fearless and unparalleled warrior, as well as a patient teacher wise beyond his years. But he was also a supportive and caring brother, a loving and steady husband, a proud and nurturing father, and kind and loyal friend. But at his very core, he was a fierce, nigh-unstoppable guardian of those who could not protect themselves. That's the Luke I know. That's the Luke Skywalker I grew up idolizing. And I'll never understand how anyone can find that boring.
I think from the prophecy of the one who will bring the greatest change. It's four Chosen Ones who woven the fabric of history. The First was the person who sparked the fault of the Jedi. (I don't know his name but he was the only one who survived the Padawan massacre on planet Taris) And allows the Jedi to realize the threat of the Sith who are about to return. The Second was Darth Vader, in the comic about ancient prophecy shows the portrait of Darth Vader, not Anakin... This means his action of removing the old Jedi which stagnant the Force and his redemption that allows the next Chosen One to protect the Galaxy from the Chaos that follows. The Third was Luke Skywalker, he was chosen by the force to save the universe and guide a newly born Lightside to balance the Galaxy while taking care of all of the mess that his father dug up. The fourth was Cage Skywalker who would end the disbalance between the force and end Sith who brought absolute Darkside to the Galaxy.
@@hidefreek6905 The fifth was not even Force-sensitive: Han Solo, who finished off the worst Sithlord ever. And Sidious didn't learn from his own past mistake!
It's directly stated in ROTS that "misread the prophecy may have been" We've never seen or read the prophecy. It easily could be luke or even both of them
This video almost had me in tears several times. This right here is the Luke I know and love. The Luke that taught me to see the good in others when no one else does. To be kind, compassionate and caring to those around you, especially those who have fallen into misfortunate circumstances or situations. That everyone has good in them and is capable of good things, some of them just need a little help and a guiding hand to show them the path to light side. Legends Luke Skywalker is the superior Luke. He truly is the superior chosen one. (For everyone and all you love able nerds my self included, my last seven words are a spider-man reference. If know and/or get the reference here’s a cookie:🍪)
Luke skywalker is not only my favorite Star Wars character, but he´s my personal hero, ever since i was a little boy, he inspired me to be better , and always strive to carve your own way, despite all my flaws, luke showed how you can fall but you can always get up, and that you never give up on your loved ones, no matter how bleak the situation is, there´s always hope. Which is to say when Last jedi came out, i had a horrible reaction to it, i felt depressed and quit star wars for many years, but recently i kinda rekindled my love for the series and the old EU, it doesnt matter what disney and its executives did, the lessons i learned from the REALLuke Skywalker will never die, and as an adult i came to appreciate the old Star wars more. AWESOME VIDEO btw
We as followers and fans of the whole saga have the right to choose Legends over the sequels and to believe in our hero, Luke Skywalker, as being the greatest Jedi that ever lived. I believe this makes us the true SW fans and we are free to just dismiss the Disney tragedy as an AU that never had real meaning or place in our Galaxy. This is our Grand Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and no corporation can take him from us.
Still, there are some stories that "canon" came up with that I enjoy and don't want to disregard (Such as the Jedi series of games and Manadlorian s1+2 (no 3 or Boba)). What I like to do is pick and choose what stories I'd like to mix and match with both continuities.
You are free to do that aswell, let’s be real everything outside of the George Lucas original movies is kinda secondary, so yes, you can also freely enjoy the good parts of Disney canon and nobody can tell you otherwise
Mara is my favourite, but her journey with Luke through Legends is fantastic and Luke becomes who is really is meant to be. The absence of Mara and the dirty way they did Luke are my reasons I can't accept Disney Sequels as canon. They had such a good base (Legends) to work from and went and did such a poor job. So many great events and characters that fit so well with the OT and even in many ways the prequels. Awesome video thanks so much for the overview and thought, it's amazing that there are some fans out there that have never even read a legends novel or comic.
This is beyond beautiful. The segment from 23:54 to 28:11 only has one word to describe it: perfect. From the message you're trying to convey, the narration you provide, the editing, and especially the music you use. Masterful. This video is so beautiful it makes me sad for what might have been, and what we lost with the sequel trilogy we got. This version of the story honors and expands on the saga and caps everything off to a fitting end. I understand that this isn't the story George Lucas would have used for his sequels, but I trust George would have given us a fitting deep and epic end that would have tied together everything that had come before it. It's good that we at least got the expanded universe and explorations of it like this.
I like the video, especialy the final statement about anakin and luke. It got me thinking imagine anakin/vader having a vision where he can see how lukes life turns out, the dream he always had and he is at peace
I think this is the best Luke Skywalker video on TH-cam! Absolutely beautiful work that perfectly encapsulates why he's my favourite character in fiction =D And that final wrap-up you did talking about the wider narrative of Star Wars honestly opened my eyes to some things that I'd never realised before. Really incredible work - thanks for taking the time to make this video =)
Wow. This is remarkably well done! My favorite storyline was Fate of the Jedi. Jaina, Han/Leia, Ben, Allana, and Luke’s entire Jedi Order came into their own in a way that left me wanting more. Luke was pretty amazing in it too. And far from OP, as he was in a state of injury recovery for quite a bit of it. He simply didn’t have time to stop his quest to heal. If it wasn’t for Ben, Vestara, and his Jedi Order, he would’ve been killed many times over.
I strongly agree. Also I think Luke being a single father in Fate of the Jedi gave birth to some of the most iconic moments in the Expanded Universe and seeing Jagged and Jaina finally get married was awesome.
Mike Stackpole author of the first half of the X-Wing novels once told of the writing process for Star Wars. After Timothy Zahn got us all interested in Star Wars again, there was a role of loremaster at Lucas. The job was to know everything Star Wars and to make sure everything new fit within the universe and the OT. After they approved of the stories then they were turned over to George. Only when they got his approval, new content was allowed to be released. It was why Star Wars became one cohesive universe. Some content was de-canonized, mostly stuff from Star Wars insider and Jawa Trader magazines and some from the early cartoons, novels, and comics. Much of the Canon was established from the RPG and the Dark Horse comics. George has always considered anything not directly developed by him little more than fan fiction. Had he written the actual sequel movies he too probably would have stepped all over the content from the Expanded Universe. However since he did sign off on it, I considered it canon way more than the sequel trilogy.
No, initially, George simply didn't see the EU as HIS work. There's also the fact that George has been very inconsistent with his stances on the canonicity of the EU ever since the PT ended.
@@FMK03 initially I agree. The earlier cartoons, comic books, games, etc. George just licensed stuff for money. The role playing game took it upon themselves to start trying too make one cohesive universe out of as much stuff they could. It was one of the primary sources the eventual loremasters used in deciding what was canon in the EU. However when Lucas was creating his sequel outline, just before he sold to Disney, he stated he was going to tell the story he wanted to. He wasn't going to be beholden to stories that he didn't write. That's what Kennedy and Disney used as reference to decanonize the EU when they took over. I've not seen the outline George handed to Kennedy but supposedly he had very different idea for Anikin's grandchildren than what had already been written for the EU. She and Disney didn't really follow his plan either. Hence his comment about selling his children into slavery after TFA came out.
@@WolfsHaven No, they didn't use that as a reference as evidenced by them dumping Lucas' story treatments, which rarely, if ever, end up being reflected or come into fruition in the final product.
@Something in one interview Kennedy, in trying to justify the abandonment of the EU, stated that George didn't even plan to follow the EU in the treatments he gave them. Ultimately in her discussions with Disney, they chose to go in their own direction, based on what was in the six movies. She's made several references to the treatments over the years stating that George had broke Legends material and even what fans believe as canon in some instances, therefore she feels justified in the direction Disney took with the sequels. Many of these statements were made on camera and in printed interviews. Maybe she made it up but when you add in George's own statement about wanting to tell his own story and not follow someone else's story, it fits. George has been supportive of and collaborated with them in the direction Jon and Dave have taken but that doesn't mean it's the direction he would have taken had he written the story himself. Even when you look at published copies of early script drafts and notes of the OT and prequels, it's often different from what we saw on screen. Sometimes even drastically. George seems to change his mind a lot, for various reasons. Look at the changes in special edition and subsequent others in updated reprints. It kind of reminds me of Trent Reznor constantly changing and re-recording his music after the original albums came out. He's never truly satisfied with his own work. George pretty much seems to be the same way.
@@WolfsHaven No, that's an excuse they used to decanonize the EU, you also have to remember the whole "There's no source material" argument as well, that and they immediately turned down George and his story treatments for the ST. So, does that mean that they used George's mere treatments, which I feel the need to say again, rarely, if ever, end up being reflected in the final product, to disregard George's treatments?
If was Mace Windu or someone in prequels era Jedi took Luke place in the last Jedi it would make sense considering Luke never had issues with the prequel era Jedi.
Well yes and no. Luke didn't have a problem with the prequel era Jedi because all he knew of them was through Obi Wan and Yoda. But as the years went on and he started to rediscover knowledge of the past he realized that his New Jedi Order had to be different. Luke saw how disconnected the Old Jedi were from the rest of the galaxy. Its why he allowed his students to have attachments and to have personal lives outside of Jedi Missions. He wanted to show the galaxy, "hey we're not like the Old Jedi. We actually have lives out of mediating". Lol
Luke marries Mara Jade and they have Ben Skywalker in complete contradiction of the Late Republic Jedi code. Imagine if he "foresaw" his nephew (in this case it would be Jaycen) going to the Dark Side while Mara was there to talk him down. She was living proof that the Dark could be overcome. Hell, in the EU, Luke fell briefly to become the apprentice of the Emperor Reborn, and he found his way back. No. In the EU, if Luke's nephew was going to fall, Luke knew that love, compassion, and support would guide him back. EU Luke wouldn't have driven the kid further away by trying to kill him. I hate the Disney Canon so much. They can't even give us good New Republic Era content without it shitting on everything and making it all about the Sequels. (They seriously think that after *FOUR* years without a Senate the whole galaxy has become utterly incompetent and stupid?)
Compare the two Luke Skywalkers. One continues helping people who've done evil things to overcome their evil and turn over a new leaf, and becomes Grand Master of a new Jedi Order. The other panics when he sees a vision of his nephew going to the Dark Side, and becomes Achilles in his tent when things all go south on him.
I don't know why but eu fits more naturally to me after the 6 films they connect to each part like jacen and jaina, yuuzhan vong war,thrawn it just somehow fits to me overall great video 😃👍
Very true, however I do think they went a bit too far with the Vong arch. It just doesn't feal right for me that it became so grand in scale, the eu shouldn't have attempted to challange the importance of the conflicts from the movies. Kill Chewie, kill Anakin Solo fine, but don't turn it into the biggest war ever. But that's just my opinion, perhaps it doesn't undermine the mivies, idk. For me the best EU series is Legacy Of The Force.
@@emzonik8851 Legacy of the Force is one of the worst IMO. The story is all over the place and it feels weird that Jaina sought additional training from Boba Fett instead of Luke. Speaking of which, Bloodlines halts the story and starts being all about Mandalorians. I also don't like that the Yuuzhan Vong are immune to the Force. The Force is supposed to reside in all forms of life.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Actually the Vong aren't disconnected from the Force, their connection resides on a different plane due to the loss of Yuuzhan'tar. If they were truly separated from it, they'd die immediately. It's just the scale of the mess they caused. I don't think they're actually more important than Palpatine but they're nonetheless too close to that level. ESPECIALLY that they invade merely 21 years after ROTJ. LOTF has some issues, training Boba Fett didn't make much sense to me either but perhaos even worse was Vergere retcon. Mandalorians were just Katen Traviss' irrational obsession. I didn't phrase it correctly when I said "favourite EU series", I meant one of my favourite POST-ROTJ. Nevertheless, I just agree with the core motive of the story very much, with Jacen going dark.
Because unlike the current Star Wars, For the most part this collection of stories was written by people that actually love Star Wars. The love of the univerrse and desire for good storytelling came before desire for money. It also helps they were trying to build on what came before, not deconstruct it.
I agree, I feel that Luke is far deeper in the EU. He really grapples with complex moral issues that made him a great character. That said I like to ignore most the Marvel Comics Legends stories outside of what made it back into novels.
Only the greatest Grandmaster Jedi Master in EU. No canon can compare. Especially not the disastrous joke that's the Last Jedi that even had Yoda doubting Luke at one point and bummed out as well.
Legends is Star Wars canon. The sequel trilogy is not a part of Star Wars as far as I am concerned. What they did to Luke is criminal and Johnson and Kennedy should never be able to do anything Star Wars again, forever. Legends Luke is Luke and exactly how it should have been. He became exactly what we all wanted him to become after Episode VI. Really enjoyed this video, thanks.
I don't know if you're actually reading this comment but Luke Skywalker is one of my favorite characters in Star wars and an inspiration for creating and dare I say it evolve my Titan in Destiny the game. I added your video in my Star wars playlist on my Channel and I would like to thank you for explaining the stories of how Luke became a grandmaster from humble beginnings.
Thank you so much for what you did there ! Luke Skywalker from the Expanded Universe means so much to me too ! And yes NJO is the best Star Wars has to offer !
This is a beautiful video. You perfectly summed up why the old Expanded Universe of Star Wars and why Legends Luke was such a phenomenal character! I’ve completely abandoned all of Disney Star Wars content and remain content with the original 6 films and the old expanded universe. I have not regretted my decision since
Amazing video and you give me a bigger appreciation for legends luke who's is well legendary. Also i like his and anakin role as force ghost during the legacy series on how luke tryed to teach his descendant Cade Skywalker the right path
Reminds me of LotR when newly returned Gandalf observes that he is “Saruman as he should have been” - he’s in the same role, with the same powers and history and marching orders from the West, but uncorrupted by ambition, greed, or (most parallel to Anakin) fear.
I don't think that people calling Legends Luke boring etc... Didn't understand. But that they never read these Novels. I went through most SW Legends Novels from Truce at Bakura until Crucible. It was a great ride, especially from NJO to FotJ. I loved the character development, the new characters like Mara, Anakin Solo, Jacen, Corran, Saba etc... While I have some critics such as the election of admiral Daala which is not very well thought out, it was mostly great. Sadly I have money problems and have to sell the collection. Furthermore, the awful treatment of SW by Disney and Filoni since TCW just made me tired of SW. I don't Care anymore about this franchise and I Hope it will die and rest in peace Forever. It's the best that Can still happen
disney should just make a different category for legends. adapt the stories the fans want, commission the writers as consultants, and either animate or make live adaptations of these stories. They can even keep their pet project “Disney Star Wars” as it’s own thing, just label the EU adaptations “Star Wars Legends” or “A Star Wars Legend” or something like that. Bam, easy money, fans get what they want, and everyone walks away happy.
they will never do this out of spite and and because their unwavering ego whispers in their ear every night like a demon that "Canon is better in every way"
something you left out is in the conclusion of last command luke even after everything with joruus cbaoth he asks joruus to come back with him so luke may try to heal him because he knows he is unwell in the mind, this shows incredible compassion in luke as a character and shows what being a jedi is truly about
I love Luke Skywalker in these legends, expanding universe books. This is the true cannon know what happened after episode six in my opinion. Thanks for the great video.
There is 3 different versions of Luke George Lucas (Episodes4-6) Republic-NJO era (The Truce at Bakura-The Unifying Force) Denningverse/Legacy Era Luke (Dark Nest Trilogy-FOTJ)
I miss Legends Luke so much. I really hate what Disney did to Luke, making him to be just like the Old Jedi when… in my opinion, the man who redeemed Anakin Skywalker should be anything but. Force Ghost Obi-Wan said it best in Heir of the Empire, after all. He’s the first of the new Jedi. He changes the Jedi to embrace their mortal emotions while balancing that with their connection to the Force. I’m not saying Luke shouldn’t have failings… hell Legends Luke failed a bit too, Luke was almost killed by Jorus, he almost lost his students several times, he lost Jacen Solo to the Dark Side, and Dark Empire was a MAJOR oof in Luke’s journey since he almost lost himself into the dark side… and yet what makes Legends Luke so great, is that he never gave up. Luke grew from each of his failings and became a Jedi Mastee beyond Yoda and the Old Council because of how he grew beyond the fear of the dark side. You could also argue with Dark Empire, if you want to add context of the Chosen One prophecy, that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy by defeating the main Palpatine, but Luke had to grow beyond the Chosen One by confronting the returned Palpatine on his own terms… and unlike Anakin who’s bond to Padmé was used to trap him… Luke’s bond to his friends, especially Leia as his sister, freed him. Thus, Luke finally became a Chosen One in his own right.
The first time I watched Star Wars... I was maybe 6 years old. The place I was growing up in was engulfed in war. I remember my dad taking me to a basement screening of Episode IV. Every weekend the staff would screen "Old" movies (this was like early 90s) we sat on the upper gallery, and I remember dangling off staring at the screen, not blinking. Because I saw this farm boy, with the courage to rise against insurmountable evil and in fairness it really resonated. It got me hooked on a lot of stories like this. Frankly helping shape the person I am today. Now look it is just a film at the end of the day, it's not Macbeth or anything, but sometimes a "silly movie" about space samurai monks fighting evil sorcerers is all you really need to get that spark going.
Thank you! Been finding my Luke pathway through the massive amount of stories and from your summary it seems I got on the right path and will finish it with Hand of Thrawn and NJO. Perfect way to wrap Luke’s journey up for me. Thanks!
@@badjokes7321 It's on a site hosting fan fictions but I can't even give you its name because You Tube gets mad if I do so. Just type the author's name I gave you and the name of the fan fiction (Sword of the Jedi) and that'll do.
@@badjokes7321 You can also download fan fictions freely using a fan fiction downloader if you prefer to read the full stories using a pdf and not chapter by chapter online.
Guess what, dark side essence transfer that palps uses in Dark Empire was used by a sith lord in the Old republic era. so that is REALLY palps, as he learned that dark side ability during his training with Darth Plagieus.
Darth Andeddu, one of the founders of the Sith Order, had developed that ability, the dark essence transfer. So yeah, it's indeed very on character to Palpatine to learn that ability from his master and/or get very interested on it.
George's and Legends versions are the *BEST* ...because the Sequels are tainted by *the Mous's* greed, carelessness for the fans and especially because the Mouse thinks that the shit it shits out should be eaten up by the fans anyway...
Watching this definitely makes me wish I was lucky enough to grow up with this post ROTJ EU stuff...and, hell, that I have enough money to afford all these books and stuff. It sounds very interesting, though, and somehow even more human than the way Lu-I mean Jake was handled in that fever dream we all shared.
Star Wars should learn from Ghostbusters when IT Reboot itself in 2016, but when it Flop by killing off Bill Murray, & The Giant Ghostbusters Logo as the Antagonist, They Revert back to the Original Canon with Afterlife that Respects the Lore, & Directed by Ivan Ritchman's Son.
I really love the Fate of the Jedi series. Even tho its kinda wild with abeloth, all the way from the first book, Luke learns that he has to be accountable and set a good example for his Jedi, and for the normal not force using citizens. But also he has to let the Order he built mature on its own and learn how to make hard decisions that will affect their relationship with the rest of the galaxy and that will define who the Jedi will become, and hopefully avoid the past mistakes of the Old Republic Jedi. Meanwhile Luke learns how to be a better father as he travels with his son, while Ben himself is maturing and learning many of the lessons that can only be learnt through experience. All in all, its such an awesome series, personally my favorite in legends.
The accusation that Luke doesn‘t grow in EA is dumb and like a lot of modern critiques of „old“ Star Wars, comes from a very simplistic idea of plot and character. Something along the lines of „the plot of any story has to be super-duper-clever and complex and characters need to constantly „grow““ both of which are not actual rules for good storytelling. In the case of Luke, he already had his big character arc in the OT. And once that happens a character should settle down to some degree and become more static. But aren‘t static characters more boring? Kind of but mostly no. The conflict just shifts from inside the character to the outside. For example, now that you have a more finished character that knows who he is, you can challenge that character and his traits and see how he deals with those challenges. And of course to some degree the character can take a backseat and let the kids do the actual growing. You know, like adults do. Is this (maybe) less interesting than what happens to Luke in the OT. Sometimes, but honestly the alternative to letting your characters get static is to brute-force constant character change and inner turmoil on them and in most cases that‘ll end up breaking them. Which is exactly what Rian Johnson did.
Exactly! Someone who sees exactly what I see and what it means!! Disney Wars btw is not Star Wars. EU and what they call Legends is the real Star Wars!
Two years had passed, and this video still continues to be a masterpiece defence of the best and only Luke Skywalker who matters! Thank you, Stunsy! And long live to the EU!
Luke in the EU being powerful is justified, he's the son of the Chosen One so obviously he is gonna be naturally powerful. All of that potential in Anakin passed on to his children. Plus, he had decades after ROTJ to learn and grow his power. He wasn't held back by restrictions and people telling him: "No you can't do that, it's forbidden." He just did it. Plus most of Luke's OP feats mostly happened in the latter half of the post ROTJ EU content, at the height of his power in his 60s
Thank you not making this all about bashing the sequels and saying it's okay to like them. At the very least I will agree Legends gave Luke a better ending since Rise of Palpatine (I refuse to call that Rise of Skywalker) didn't solve the plot the sequels revolved around. Thanks for nothing JJ Abrams.
@@HumanoidDerpling That pretty well sums up the end result of his work on Star Wars. Abrams isn't a creative director when it comes to telling stories, though he is creative with action set pieces. He mostly puts new spins on what came before. Some of that worked in TFA. Rise of Palpatine, not so much. Abrams stripped out everything that made the sequels' characters distinct. Rubbing salt in the wound as someone who liked the twist with Rey being a nobody in TLJ, Abrams said his idea for her being Palpatine's granddaughter came because he did like the twist of there being no big reveal of her parents being nobodies but it gave him the idea of "What if she came from an evil family?" That idea could have worked if it was built from TFA, but not following TLJ saying Rey's family and where she came from wasn't important. Especially since this meant Rey's character arc was tied to her family for a third movie in a row. The message of one's family not defining them also didn't work since Kylo Ren's redemption meant he was a hero who came from a family of the galaxy's greatest heroes. It is quite an accomplishment that Abrams managed to take the fans divided by TFA & TLJ and please none of them.
Did anyone else read the thumbnail as femboy to grandmaster???
My favorite Luke. He actually did stuff. The funny thing is Legends Luke failed a bunch of times and lost many people he cared about, including his wife. Difference? He never gave up. He never ran from his problems but instead learned from them and became wiser. He's more heroic than anyone from Disney Star Wars.
Agreed.
You're completely right. The Luke in Legends was actually a mature, reliable and lovable character.
@Chosen One everything you just said is why the "canon" version absolutely sucks.
@Chosen One ah, so she's stolen the journey and destiny that was rightfully Luke's in Return of the Jedi.
Rey is a poorly written Mary Sue that has done nothing to earn the right to rebuild the Jedi.
She's NOT Luke's adopted daughter. They never had that kind of bond.
And Force dyads are stupid. Not how the Force or how Force bonds work.
@Chosen One
"no she has not"
Yes. She has.
"Luke restarted a Jedi order in canon"
Making a half-assed attempt to train 12 students and then giving up because one of them turned to the dark side is not "restarting a Jedi Order" its pathetic.
"He trained grogu
Grogu will have a important part in later events"
You mean the same Grogu that rejected Luke's training to rejoin Mando? Yeah...ok.
"Ashoka part of Luke order
So maybe she and Ezra will help spread Luke order to the unknown regions"
Ahsoka straight up says she's not part of Luke's order in BOBF. Ezra remains to be seen, but so far there's nothing to indicate he's part of Luke's half-assed attempt at training Jedi.
"Luke sacrificed himself for the rebels
Without him
They would of all lost…….."
That was Jake Skywalker not Luke. The actual Luke would have shown up in person. And not given up.
"Rey will know not to repeat the same mistakes Luke did"
Mistakes that, had Luke been written properly, he would never have made. Rey still doesn't deserve Luke's destiny of restarting the Jedi. You've done nothing to actually refute that point.
"The Jedi order was destroyed by Darth Krayt"
If memory serves, he did a lot of damage, but he didn't obliterate the Jedi to the last man the way Palpatine did. They were eventually able to rally and fight back.
"Jaina foresaw Jacen would be the new Palpatine"
That's kinda why she stabbed him through the heart.
"Got it’s the same has canon"
They are absolutely not the same. Just tell us how much Disney is paying you dude.
EU Luke's New Jedi Order is the best iteration of the Jedi Order. Luke doesn't know what the old Order was like so he just uses his own experiences to build the next generation of the Jedi Knights.
- No more rules of attachment.
- Not getting too involved with Republic politics like the old Order (which led the Prequel Order to their downfall)
- Allowing adults to join the Order.
The New Jedi Order went through multiple conflicts but they still stay strong 135 years later in the Legacy era (Cade Skywalker time).
And the most important thing was he encouraged them to study on their own and find their own problems to fix
EU’s Luke did the most important thing that the Old Jedi never could… he allowed the Jedi to embrace their emotions while balancing themselves with the Force. He didn’t try to force them to become robotic slaves to the Force’s will, but true allies of the Force who would know both themselves and the Force. Luke became what I believed Qui-Gon would have been if Qui-Gon had become Grand Master. Also, in a funny way… Luke did what the Jedi Exile tried to do ages ago… create a new, better version of the Jedi Order without the dogma that weighed down the Jedi of old.
@@trevinodude I understand what you're getting at, but the Jedi never rejected emotions. They developed friendships within the order and the master and student relationship is a sacred one, like a father/son or grandfather/granddaughter relationship. The Jedi did teach to control your emotions they just lost their way and stagnated after a thousand years, which is only natural after such a long time.
EU's version of the NJO actually followed logical progression with the Order facing truly difficult and complicated moral questions every step of the way. It made you care about the characters and understand that you don't have to repeat the mistakes of the past, you can learn.
And they also had absolute UNITS of Jedi beside's Luke himself. The NJO was far more in line with the ancient Je'daii order then the old Jedi Order, and came out with absolute BEASTS.
"In context, this is actually cool"
This is the beauty of the Star Wars Expanded Universe in a nutshell. To outsiders, it seems like ridiculous 90's camp. But to those of our tribe; those who took the time to dive in and fall in love with these stories, it means so much more.
This is the way.
This is the way
This is the way
This is the way.
This is the way.
I always considered Legends to be the true canon. It fits with the OT and prequel trilogy like a glove pertaining to the lore and characters. Luke would definitely become powerful and run a Jedi Academy that actually went somewhere. Disney canon contradicts Luke to the point where I can't see those films as canon, therefore I don't let it bug me too much. Whatever Disney does is meaningless, because there's a huge amount of Legends material to enjoy. I'm not disregarding the Legends stories, games, micro series, etc just because some multi-billion dollar corporation said that their awful fan fiction is the real story. Also Jacen Solo is easily in my top 5 favorite characters along with Vader/Anakin and Darth Bane. He's complex and steals the show every time he's around. Glad you're back by the way. This video was great.
A corporation will never have more say of “what’s canon” than the fans of the thing that Disney is butchering.
Thanks for expressing my thoughts exactly.
This needs to be pinned
@Chosen One not really, even before that Legends Luke was more ambitious, aside from The main temple in Yavin iv he also took back the jedi temple in coruscant and allowed the jedi to have families, canon luke just had a small academy in one planet and was exactly like The old jedi.
Expanded Universe, please. Legends is what revisionists call it.
My favorite Luke moment in the old EU was when he crossed a lake of lava without special tools or protection. Yes, that iteration of Luke was so *BADASS* that he's a *_lavawalker._* And off in the corner, Anakin's just sitting there in his life-support armor, and crying into his mouth vocabulator.
If we got anime adaptations of Legends stuff. What are the stories you'd like to see adapted the most?😊
@@ManiacMayhem7256 For the comic books, Tales of the Jedi and Star Wars Republic. For the novels, Young Jedi Knights and Jedi Apprentice.
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Very good choices yes. I'd also probably probably Dawn of the Jedi, Bane trilogy and Thrawn trilogy. Obvious I know. For the Republic comics, assuming it works like arcs like i recall it doing, we could probably add parts from other CWMMP projects it as well. The plot of the 2002 clone wars game, Yoda Dark Rendezvous, Labyrinth of Evil, Cestus deception, Jedi trial and Episode III novelization. Medstar and Shatterpoint would probably need to be their own movies
Luke one-upped Jesus while not even existing in the same universe as him. What a GOAT.
That scene also made the Mustafar duel believable!
As for my favorite part of that trilogy--Because I'm a Christian, Kyp Durron's arc resonates with me on a spiritual level. Grace is INHERENTLY scandalous, and I believe we're ALL in the position Durron was when Exar Kun was defeated. (It's just that Durron's misdeeds are simply more dramatic than most people's)
You know what? Dark Empire brings up a good concept. While Anakin may have redeemed himself by saving Luke, Luke still needed a challenge to prove he was capable of being a Jedi on his own. Besides Palpatine coming back 6 years later for Luke to deal with as opposed to 30 years later by some random person is a more fulfilling story.
Just finished Dark Empire. Everyone who says it's bad hasn't actually read it. I'm glad I read Tales of the Jedi beforehand because it made the story so much stronger. Luke AND Leia come into their own and it's a beautiful thing seeing the start of his order. When he and his new students all stand united and declare the return of the Jedi I had to stop and take it all in. It sucks we'll never see this universe continue and we'll never see it adapted to live action.
Fun fact: the original plan was to clone Darth Vader. But George Lucas stepped in and said no.
Despite his claim that he "doesn't read any of that stuff", Lucas was more involved in Legends than people think. He may have seen it as a separate canon, but he wanted it to be close to his vision.
@@vetarlittorf1807 I heard the plan was actually to put someone in a Darth Vader suit for the purpose of propaganda. There was in fact a Vader clone that was made, but it was incredibly weak and Vader killed him. Funny enough it was made in a cloning lab made under the Jedi Enclave from KOTOR.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Mark Hamill also went out of his way to say that he liked the EU, or was aware of it. Meanwhile, for the sequels...
I have not read the _Dark Empire_ comics, and I *still* hold them in a far higher regard than _TROS._
I have issues with Dark Empire. Mostly the Emperor pulling out not one, but _three_ new superweapon types. World devastators were cool. Eclipse-class SSDs were... A little much, particularly the Emperor pulling out a second one immediately after the first's destruction. The Galaxy Gun is IMO tied with the Sun Crusher for the single worst superweapon idea. It's filled with stuff that's _cool,_ but it forces the question "why didn't the Emperor pull out any of this to begin with?".
Some of it I understand, superweapons can be developed secretly post-Endor, Palpatine's younger, stronger body may let him channel all the force ability of a young body with all the skill of an old master. But you're telling me he didn't bring the Eye, or whatever that old but OP Dreadnought model was, or Sentinels, or anything Sith Alchemy related with him to the final battle against the Rebels?
Guess what the Disney trilogy decided to copy about the already controversial Dark Empire saga?
What I love about legends is how much it built on itself. I've never interacted much with post episode 6 legends (I was a prequel kid, episode 1 got me into star wars) I've read up on wookieepedia, so I know the broad strokes. Exar Kun as a name is familiar to me from the old republic content however, and I never realised he appeared here as well. Legends writers and creators did a better job at keeping the canon straight than Disney's dedicated team have, despite the fact that Disney literally annihilated all this amazing content from the canon.
Disney even annihilates their own canon lol
@@loganriling4888 Dave filoni is an overrated sjw and a talentless hack who steal from others writers doesn't care about continuity and consistency all he cares about is ashoka tano
@@loganriling4888 You want to know what's sad? South Park did a whole joke about Mickey being psycho for an episode YEARS ago, and now the joke is actually reality. Trey Parker and Matt Stone predicted the future of Disney. Let that sink in.
The fact that a lot of people know about the character assassinated Disney Luke instead of Legends Luke makes me sad.
A lot of people don't like to read. Also I met so many star Wars fans that actually liked Luke in TLJ because it was "grounded and realistic". I'm like this is Star Wars. No one wants grounded in reality when it comes to their space fantasy heroes. It's sad how people these days prefer dark, gritty and depressing characters applied to every franchise.
@@amarcellus1714 The thing is, Luke was realistic in the EU. He struggled, he failed, and he was often wrong. What made him unique was that he kept getting back up and learning from his errors. Star Wars, and other works of fantasy, serve as metaphors for real things we all have to deal with. Luke was universal. He was a role model whom anyone could emulate and seek to live up to.
Luke in the Disney canon is written by cynics who projected their own nihilism onto a character who was never meant to carry said nihilism, all for the sake of validating their worldview.
@@jaffarebellion292 you don't have to tell me that. I grew up on the EU and worshiped the New Jedi Order. No one's heart broke more than mine when I saw that trilogy 😞
@A Marcellus I have no doubt. Just voicing my own thoughts, I guess. There will always be a Sword of the Jedi-shaped hole in my heart.
@@jaffarebellion292 I guess we EU fans can share the pain together. 💪
Timothy Zahn is so great he could make the evil clone trope work.
Clone Luuke is in fact totally brilliant, in part because of the plot twist he allows for.
I agree. Although the name is a bit corny. I would have called him Kane. That would be a great homage to Kane Starkiller, brother of Luke Starkiller in the original Star Wars drafts.
@@vetarlittorf1807 but then the big twist with the Emperor’s last command wouldn’t work.
@@raylast3873 How so?
@@vetarlittorf1807 SPOILER ALERT because she followed it. She killed Luuke Skywalker as commanded/prophesied by the Emperor.
Also the name follows a convention for clones.
@@raylast3873
And by way of that loophole, she found a way out of what she now knew to be an act of spite.
Legends Luke IS the Chosen One. After Anakin's fall and later death, the Force chose Luke to be the galaxy's beacon of Light. But he also had to earn it. He didn't just become OP overnight, he spent years and years training, fighting, and learning. Decades of wars, invasions, galactic-destroying threats, loss on the grand and intimate scale, countless brushes with temptations to the Darkside. Luke was pushed to be the absolute best he could possibly be. Not for himself but for the ones he loved. And that meant everyone. Didn't matter if they were his family, his friends, his comrades, his students, his detractors, or the countless strangers of the universe that he could/would never know. Luke Skywalker valued life and peace. And he would happily lay down his life if he could achieve that for even one person. Luke was a great and inspiring leader, a fearless and unparalleled warrior, as well as a patient teacher wise beyond his years. But he was also a supportive and caring brother, a loving and steady husband, a proud and nurturing father, and kind and loyal friend. But at his very core, he was a fierce, nigh-unstoppable guardian of those who could not protect themselves.
That's the Luke I know. That's the Luke Skywalker I grew up idolizing. And I'll never understand how anyone can find that boring.
I wish I could double heart this comment. You get it.
I think from the prophecy of the one who will bring the greatest change.
It's four Chosen Ones who woven the fabric of history.
The First was the person who sparked the fault of the Jedi. (I don't know his name but he was the only one who survived the Padawan massacre on planet Taris) And allows the Jedi to realize the threat of the Sith who are about to return.
The Second was Darth Vader, in the comic about ancient prophecy shows the portrait of Darth Vader, not Anakin... This means his action of removing the old Jedi which stagnant the Force and his redemption that allows the next Chosen One to protect the Galaxy from the Chaos that follows.
The Third was Luke Skywalker, he was chosen by the force to save the universe and guide a newly born Lightside to balance the Galaxy while taking care of all of the mess that his father dug up.
The fourth was Cage Skywalker who would end the disbalance between the force and end Sith who brought absolute Darkside to the Galaxy.
@@hidefreek6905
The fifth was not even Force-sensitive: Han Solo, who finished off the worst Sithlord ever. And Sidious didn't learn from his own past mistake!
@@KororaPenguin I mean, brand is really the guy who finished off palpatine.
It's directly stated in ROTS that "misread the prophecy may have been"
We've never seen or read the prophecy. It easily could be luke or even both of them
This video almost had me in tears several times. This right here is the Luke I know and love. The Luke that taught me to see the good in others when no one else does. To be kind, compassionate and caring to those around you, especially those who have fallen into misfortunate circumstances or situations. That everyone has good in them and is capable of good things, some of them just need a little help and a guiding hand to show them the path to light side. Legends Luke Skywalker is the superior Luke. He truly is the superior chosen one. (For everyone and all you love able nerds my self included, my last seven words are a spider-man reference. If know and/or get the reference here’s a cookie:🍪)
Luke skywalker is not only my favorite Star Wars character, but he´s my personal hero, ever since i was a little boy, he inspired me to be better , and always strive to carve your own way, despite all my flaws, luke showed how you can fall but you can always get up, and that you never give up on your loved ones, no matter how bleak the situation is, there´s always hope.
Which is to say when Last jedi came out, i had a horrible reaction to it, i felt depressed and quit star wars for many years, but recently i kinda rekindled my love for the series and the old EU, it doesnt matter what disney and its executives did, the lessons i learned from the REALLuke Skywalker will never die, and as an adult i came to appreciate the old Star wars more. AWESOME VIDEO btw
“Luke is too OP in The New Jedi Order Series”
No
It’s dad strength
We as followers and fans of the whole saga have the right to choose Legends over the sequels and to believe in our hero, Luke Skywalker, as being the greatest Jedi that ever lived. I believe this makes us the true SW fans and we are free to just dismiss the Disney tragedy as an AU that never had real meaning or place in our Galaxy.
This is our Grand Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and no corporation can take him from us.
Still, there are some stories that "canon" came up with that I enjoy and don't want to disregard (Such as the Jedi series of games and Manadlorian s1+2 (no 3 or Boba)). What I like to do is pick and choose what stories I'd like to mix and match with both continuities.
You are free to do that aswell, let’s be real everything outside of the George Lucas original movies is kinda secondary, so yes, you can also freely enjoy the good parts of Disney canon and nobody can tell you otherwise
Mara is my favourite, but her journey with Luke through Legends is fantastic and Luke becomes who is really is meant to be. The absence of Mara and the dirty way they did Luke are my reasons I can't accept Disney Sequels as canon. They had such a good base (Legends) to work from and went and did such a poor job. So many great events and characters that fit so well with the OT and even in many ways the prequels. Awesome video thanks so much for the overview and thought, it's amazing that there are some fans out there that have never even read a legends novel or comic.
Mara Jade is an awesome character. Her and Talon Karrade are my favs from Legends.
This is beyond beautiful. The segment from 23:54 to 28:11 only has one word to describe it: perfect. From the message you're trying to convey, the narration you provide, the editing, and especially the music you use. Masterful. This video is so beautiful it makes me sad for what might have been, and what we lost with the sequel trilogy we got. This version of the story honors and expands on the saga and caps everything off to a fitting end. I understand that this isn't the story George Lucas would have used for his sequels, but I trust George would have given us a fitting deep and epic end that would have tied together everything that had come before it. It's good that we at least got the expanded universe and explorations of it like this.
I like the video, especialy the final statement about anakin and luke.
It got me thinking imagine anakin/vader having a vision where he can see how lukes life turns out, the dream he always had and he is at peace
This is a excellent video describing the development of Luke's charachter.
And Mara kept him grounded by constantly calling him Farm boyy
Legends Luke: “sup palps, aren’t you like supposed to be dead? no? i disagree. YEET!
Canon Luke: *goes out for milk and doesn’t come back*
I think this is the best Luke Skywalker video on TH-cam! Absolutely beautiful work that perfectly encapsulates why he's my favourite character in fiction =D And that final wrap-up you did talking about the wider narrative of Star Wars honestly opened my eyes to some things that I'd never realised before. Really incredible work - thanks for taking the time to make this video =)
Wow. This is remarkably well done!
My favorite storyline was Fate of the Jedi. Jaina, Han/Leia, Ben, Allana, and Luke’s entire Jedi Order came into their own in a way that left me wanting more. Luke was pretty amazing in it too. And far from OP, as he was in a state of injury recovery for quite a bit of it. He simply didn’t have time to stop his quest to heal. If it wasn’t for Ben, Vestara, and his Jedi Order, he would’ve been killed many times over.
I strongly agree. Also I think Luke being a single father in Fate of the Jedi gave birth to some of the most iconic moments in the Expanded Universe and seeing Jagged and Jaina finally get married was awesome.
@@luluflu1140 21:08
Mike Stackpole author of the first half of the X-Wing novels once told of the writing process for Star Wars. After Timothy Zahn got us all interested in Star Wars again, there was a role of loremaster at Lucas. The job was to know everything Star Wars and to make sure everything new fit within the universe and the OT. After they approved of the stories then they were turned over to George. Only when they got his approval, new content was allowed to be released.
It was why Star Wars became one cohesive universe. Some content was de-canonized, mostly stuff from Star Wars insider and Jawa Trader magazines and some from the early cartoons, novels, and comics. Much of the Canon was established from the RPG and the Dark Horse comics.
George has always considered anything not directly developed by him little more than fan fiction. Had he written the actual sequel movies he too probably would have stepped all over the content from the Expanded Universe. However since he did sign off on it, I considered it canon way more than the sequel trilogy.
No, initially, George simply didn't see the EU as HIS work. There's also the fact that George has been very inconsistent with his stances on the canonicity of the EU ever since the PT ended.
@@FMK03 initially I agree. The earlier cartoons, comic books, games, etc. George just licensed stuff for money.
The role playing game took it upon themselves to start trying too make one cohesive universe out of as much stuff they could. It was one of the primary sources the eventual loremasters used in deciding what was canon in the EU.
However when Lucas was creating his sequel outline, just before he sold to Disney, he stated he was going to tell the story he wanted to. He wasn't going to be beholden to stories that he didn't write.
That's what Kennedy and Disney used as reference to decanonize the EU when they took over. I've not seen the outline George handed to Kennedy but supposedly he had very different idea for Anikin's grandchildren than what had already been written for the EU. She and Disney didn't really follow his plan either. Hence his comment about selling his children into slavery after TFA came out.
@@WolfsHaven No, they didn't use that as a reference as evidenced by them dumping Lucas' story treatments, which rarely, if ever, end up being reflected or come into fruition in the final product.
@Something in one interview Kennedy, in trying to justify the abandonment of the EU, stated that George didn't even plan to follow the EU in the treatments he gave them. Ultimately in her discussions with Disney, they chose to go in their own direction, based on what was in the six movies. She's made several references to the treatments over the years stating that George had broke Legends material and even what fans believe as canon in some instances, therefore she feels justified in the direction Disney took with the sequels.
Many of these statements were made on camera and in printed interviews. Maybe she made it up but when you add in George's own statement about wanting to tell his own story and not follow someone else's story, it fits.
George has been supportive of and collaborated with them in the direction Jon and Dave have taken but that doesn't mean it's the direction he would have taken had he written the story himself.
Even when you look at published copies of early script drafts and notes of the OT and prequels, it's often different from what we saw on screen. Sometimes even drastically. George seems to change his mind a lot, for various reasons. Look at the changes in special edition and subsequent others in updated reprints.
It kind of reminds me of Trent Reznor constantly changing and re-recording his music after the original albums came out. He's never truly satisfied with his own work. George pretty much seems to be the same way.
@@WolfsHaven No, that's an excuse they used to decanonize the EU, you also have to remember the whole "There's no source material" argument as well, that and they immediately turned down George and his story treatments for the ST. So, does that mean that they used George's mere treatments, which I feel the need to say again, rarely, if ever, end up being reflected in the final product, to disregard George's treatments?
This makes me want to read all of the old legends lore, but it's just so goddamn much and I have an insane to-read list already
Just start bit by bit. You can even catch up with the Thrawn Trilogy by watching Darth Angelus' Heir To Empire fan film.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Wait what, somebody made a movie for it?
@@HumanoidDerpling Episodes actually, in CGI form.
If was Mace Windu or someone in prequels era Jedi took Luke place in the last Jedi it would make sense considering Luke never had issues with the prequel era Jedi.
Well yes and no. Luke didn't have a problem with the prequel era Jedi because all he knew of them was through Obi Wan and Yoda. But as the years went on and he started to rediscover knowledge of the past he realized that his New Jedi Order had to be different. Luke saw how disconnected the Old Jedi were from the rest of the galaxy. Its why he allowed his students to have attachments and to have personal lives outside of Jedi Missions. He wanted to show the galaxy, "hey we're not like the Old Jedi. We actually have lives out of mediating". Lol
Luke Skywalker is always Improving and Learning
Love story Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade
Encouraging Inspiring Uplifting
Luke marries Mara Jade and they have Ben Skywalker in complete contradiction of the Late Republic Jedi code. Imagine if he "foresaw" his nephew (in this case it would be Jaycen) going to the Dark Side while Mara was there to talk him down. She was living proof that the Dark could be overcome. Hell, in the EU, Luke fell briefly to become the apprentice of the Emperor Reborn, and he found his way back.
No. In the EU, if Luke's nephew was going to fall, Luke knew that love, compassion, and support would guide him back. EU Luke wouldn't have driven the kid further away by trying to kill him.
I hate the Disney Canon so much. They can't even give us good New Republic Era content without it shitting on everything and making it all about the Sequels.
(They seriously think that after *FOUR* years without a Senate the whole galaxy has become utterly incompetent and stupid?)
Compare the two Luke Skywalkers. One continues helping people who've done evil things to overcome their evil and turn over a new leaf, and becomes Grand Master of a new Jedi Order. The other panics when he sees a vision of his nephew going to the Dark Side, and becomes Achilles in his tent when things all go south on him.
@@KororaPenguin I know which Luke I prefer. But then they claimed "we had no source material" 🙄
I don't know why but eu fits more naturally to me after the 6 films they connect to each part like jacen and jaina, yuuzhan vong war,thrawn it just somehow fits to me overall great video 😃👍
YES
Very true, however I do think they went a bit too far with the Vong arch. It just doesn't feal right for me that it became so grand in scale, the eu shouldn't have attempted to challange the importance of the conflicts from the movies. Kill Chewie, kill Anakin Solo fine, but don't turn it into the biggest war ever. But that's just my opinion, perhaps it doesn't undermine the mivies, idk. For me the best EU series is Legacy Of The Force.
@@emzonik8851 Legacy of the Force is one of the worst IMO. The story is all over the place and it feels weird that Jaina sought additional training from Boba Fett instead of Luke. Speaking of which, Bloodlines halts the story and starts being all about Mandalorians.
I also don't like that the Yuuzhan Vong are immune to the Force. The Force is supposed to reside in all forms of life.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Actually the Vong aren't disconnected from the Force, their connection resides on a different plane due to the loss of Yuuzhan'tar. If they were truly separated from it, they'd die immediately. It's just the scale of the mess they caused. I don't think they're actually more important than Palpatine but they're nonetheless too close to that level. ESPECIALLY that they invade merely 21 years after ROTJ.
LOTF has some issues, training Boba Fett didn't make much sense to me either but perhaos even worse was Vergere retcon. Mandalorians were just Katen Traviss' irrational obsession. I didn't phrase it correctly when I said "favourite EU series", I meant one of my favourite POST-ROTJ. Nevertheless, I just agree with the core motive of the story very much, with Jacen going dark.
Because unlike the current Star Wars, For the most part this collection of stories was written by people that actually love Star Wars. The love of the univerrse and desire for good storytelling came before desire for money. It also helps they were trying to build on what came before, not deconstruct it.
I agree, I feel that Luke is far deeper in the EU. He really grapples with complex moral issues that made him a great character. That said I like to ignore most the Marvel Comics Legends stories outside of what made it back into novels.
I spent my childhood reading those Legends books too. I miss those stories.
Only the greatest Grandmaster Jedi Master in EU. No canon can compare. Especially not the disastrous joke that's the Last Jedi that even had Yoda doubting Luke at one point and bummed out as well.
Legends is Star Wars canon. The sequel trilogy is not a part of Star Wars as far as I am concerned. What they did to Luke is criminal and Johnson and Kennedy should never be able to do anything Star Wars again, forever. Legends Luke is Luke and exactly how it should have been. He became exactly what we all wanted him to become after Episode VI. Really enjoyed this video, thanks.
If it wasn't for Marc Thompson I probably never would have gotten into Legends but I'm glad I did.
5:20 oh yeah! Heck yeah! I never have read Legends, but the book covers and lore are so freaking cool!! Let’s go!!
Please, read! You'll not be regret, I swear!
BEST Video i ever saw about Luke Skywalker
This is a really well made video. I hope you start making more in the future!
I don't know if you're actually reading this comment but Luke Skywalker is one of my favorite characters in Star wars and an inspiration for creating and dare I say it evolve my Titan in Destiny the game. I added your video in my Star wars playlist on my Channel and I would like to thank you for explaining the stories of how Luke became a grandmaster from humble beginnings.
Thank you so much for what you did there ! Luke Skywalker from the Expanded Universe means so much to me too ! And yes NJO is the best Star Wars has to offer !
Just wanna say, I love your use of the KOTOR soundtrack. Really hits me right in the heart after my disappointment with Disney.
well said succint and to the point . thank goodness someone understands luke and mara. their love story is one for the ages.
This is a beautiful video. You perfectly summed up why the old Expanded Universe of Star Wars and why Legends Luke was such a phenomenal character! I’ve completely abandoned all of Disney Star Wars content and remain content with the original 6 films and the old expanded universe. I have not regretted my decision since
Luke single-handedly redeemed the jedi order and restored their legacy
Always a pleasure to see the Jedi who helped the Chosen One redeem himself and bring balance to the Force doing well for himself later on.
Thank you for making a video about my thoughts about EU Luke. The last 3 minutes are absolutely mindblowing. Thank you. 🤗
Amazing video and you give me a bigger appreciation for legends luke who's is well legendary.
Also i like his and anakin role as force ghost during the legacy series on how luke tryed to teach his descendant Cade Skywalker the right path
This is my STAR WARS rule:
“If it’s by Disney, it’s apocrypha.”
Reminds me of LotR when newly returned Gandalf observes that he is “Saruman as he should have been” - he’s in the same role, with the same powers and history and marching orders from the West, but uncorrupted by ambition, greed, or (most parallel to Anakin) fear.
Great video! This is the real Luke Skywalker.
This video is so underrated
I don't think that people calling Legends Luke boring etc... Didn't understand. But that they never read these Novels.
I went through most SW Legends Novels from Truce at Bakura until Crucible. It was a great ride, especially from NJO to FotJ. I loved the character development, the new characters like Mara, Anakin Solo, Jacen, Corran, Saba etc...
While I have some critics such as the election of admiral Daala which is not very well thought out, it was mostly great.
Sadly I have money problems and have to sell the collection. Furthermore, the awful treatment of SW by Disney and Filoni since TCW just made me tired of SW. I don't Care anymore about this franchise and I Hope it will die and rest in peace Forever. It's the best that Can still happen
There was The Clone Wars novel and hopefully, it didn't do too bad.
disney should just make a different category for legends. adapt the stories the fans want, commission the writers as consultants, and either animate or make live adaptations of these stories. They can even keep their pet project “Disney Star Wars” as it’s own thing, just label the EU adaptations “Star Wars Legends” or “A Star Wars Legend” or something like that. Bam, easy money, fans get what they want, and everyone walks away happy.
I wish Disney learn from Japan when they adapt a Manga to Anime.
they will never do this out of spite and and because their unwavering ego whispers in their ear every night like a demon that "Canon is better in every way"
I have yet to meet any Star Wars fan that prefers Disney over Legends. There's not 1 thing they did better than legends. Especially not Luke.
I have...you arent missing a thing. The EU will always be the true timeline.
I've met some. They're copers
I've met some of those mouth breathers
something you left out is in the conclusion of last command luke even after everything with joruus cbaoth he asks joruus to come back with him so luke may try to heal him because he knows he is unwell in the mind, this shows incredible compassion in luke as a character and shows what being a jedi is truly about
Best star wars lore vid i've seen in awhile, great job man
I love Luke Skywalker in these legends, expanding universe books. This is the true cannon know what happened after episode six in my opinion. Thanks for the great video.
There is 3 different versions of Luke
George Lucas (Episodes4-6)
Republic-NJO era (The Truce at Bakura-The Unifying Force)
Denningverse/Legacy Era Luke (Dark Nest Trilogy-FOTJ)
I miss Legends Luke so much. I really hate what Disney did to Luke, making him to be just like the Old Jedi when… in my opinion, the man who redeemed Anakin Skywalker should be anything but. Force Ghost Obi-Wan said it best in Heir of the Empire, after all. He’s the first of the new Jedi. He changes the Jedi to embrace their mortal emotions while balancing that with their connection to the Force. I’m not saying Luke shouldn’t have failings… hell Legends Luke failed a bit too, Luke was almost killed by Jorus, he almost lost his students several times, he lost Jacen Solo to the Dark Side, and Dark Empire was a MAJOR oof in Luke’s journey since he almost lost himself into the dark side… and yet what makes Legends Luke so great, is that he never gave up. Luke grew from each of his failings and became a Jedi Mastee beyond Yoda and the Old Council because of how he grew beyond the fear of the dark side. You could also argue with Dark Empire, if you want to add context of the Chosen One prophecy, that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy by defeating the main Palpatine, but Luke had to grow beyond the Chosen One by confronting the returned Palpatine on his own terms… and unlike Anakin who’s bond to Padmé was used to trap him… Luke’s bond to his friends, especially Leia as his sister, freed him. Thus, Luke finally became a Chosen One in his own right.
Bro i legit thought the thumbnail said "femboy to grandmaster"
my brain is so fucking fried 💀
Amazing video I loved it saved to my playlist
The first time I watched Star Wars... I was maybe 6 years old. The place I was growing up in was engulfed in war. I remember my dad taking me to a basement screening of Episode IV. Every weekend the staff would screen "Old" movies (this was like early 90s) we sat on the upper gallery, and I remember dangling off staring at the screen, not blinking. Because I saw this farm boy, with the courage to rise against insurmountable evil and in fairness it really resonated. It got me hooked on a lot of stories like this. Frankly helping shape the person I am today. Now look it is just a film at the end of the day, it's not Macbeth or anything, but sometimes a "silly movie" about space samurai monks fighting evil sorcerers is all you really need to get that spark going.
Thank you! Been finding my Luke pathway through the massive amount of stories and from your summary it seems I got on the right path and will finish it with Hand of Thrawn and NJO. Perfect way to wrap Luke’s journey up for me. Thanks!
Great edit! Luke has always been my favorite Jedi. You explained it very well.
Nice video, please make a part two of this video, one that talks about how Luke confrontation with yuuzhan vong, darth caedus and abeloth.
Awesome I love legends. I wish we had gotten the Sword off the Jedi books
HandofThrawn45 did write a version of this trilogy that you could enjoy.
@@luluflu1140 were can you find it? Link
@@badjokes7321
It's on a site hosting fan fictions but I can't even give you its name because You Tube gets mad if I do so.
Just type the author's name I gave you and the name of the fan fiction (Sword of the Jedi) and that'll do.
@@badjokes7321 Can you still send links via TH-cam ? Because I can't.
@@badjokes7321 You can also download fan fictions freely using a fan fiction downloader if you prefer to read the full stories using a pdf and not chapter by chapter online.
Guess what, dark side essence transfer that palps uses in Dark Empire was used by a sith lord in the Old republic era. so that is REALLY palps, as he learned that dark side ability during his training with Darth Plagieus.
Darth Andeddu, one of the founders of the Sith Order, had developed that ability, the dark essence transfer. So yeah, it's indeed very on character to Palpatine to learn that ability from his master and/or get very interested on it.
I read the thumbnail as “femboy to grandmaster” and I was like this is gonna be interesting but I’m here for it😭😭 top tier video, this is great
Awesome video man!
Started from the bottom now we here.
No Way!! Legends Luke Skywalker Is Better!! His Power is what makes him a Skywalker.
Super amazing when Anakin died holding off hundreds of Vong. It was written so beautifully. I’ll never forget reading that.
Legends luke had mara jade and a happy family after years of struggles. That alone is why the old EU is the better media even with all the bad in it.
Excellent vid thank you for the trip down memory lane
This is Star Wars, true Star Wars. Nothing Disney put out was.
George's and Legends versions are the *BEST* ...because the Sequels are tainted by *the Mous's* greed, carelessness for the fans and especially because the Mouse thinks that the shit it shits out should be eaten up by the fans anyway...
Great video! Couldn't agree more!
I currently reading the legends book post return of the Jedi. On the second one in the series.Hoping to read more as I go on.
I started in 2021. It really is worth it
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It is currently half way through third book.
Watching this definitely makes me wish I was lucky enough to grow up with this post ROTJ EU stuff...and, hell, that I have enough money to afford all these books and stuff. It sounds very interesting, though, and somehow even more human than the way Lu-I mean Jake was handled in that fever dream we all shared.
One book a month only 7 dollars like a McDonalds trip
I wish Somebody Buys Lucasfilm, & give it an Afterlife style Revival with an E.U. Accurate Luke front & Center.
I agree Luke in novel was better because He surpassed his father in the force
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I am eager to learn more about the legends timeline! Please share some of your favorites
Terra's theme went so well with your thoughts on NJO.
YAY HES BACK
Star Wars should learn from Ghostbusters when IT Reboot itself in 2016, but when it Flop by killing off Bill Murray, & The Giant Ghostbusters Logo as the Antagonist, They Revert back to the Original Canon with Afterlife that Respects the Lore, & Directed by Ivan Ritchman's Son.
Great video. mate. Well done fighting the urge to sequel bash (it requires great strength).
Ignore the Denningverse and it's perfection...
Legends Luke will always be my canon. Disney did Mark Hamill dirty and i will always hate them for that
I really love the Fate of the Jedi series. Even tho its kinda wild with abeloth, all the way from the first book, Luke learns that he has to be accountable and set a good example for his Jedi, and for the normal not force using citizens. But also he has to let the Order he built mature on its own and learn how to make hard decisions that will affect their relationship with the rest of the galaxy and that will define who the Jedi will become, and hopefully avoid the past mistakes of the Old Republic Jedi. Meanwhile Luke learns how to be a better father as he travels with his son, while Ben himself is maturing and learning many of the lessons that can only be learnt through experience. All in all, its such an awesome series, personally my favorite in legends.
I also enjoyed crucible
Great video man
The accusation that Luke doesn‘t grow in EA is dumb and like a lot of modern critiques of „old“ Star Wars, comes from a very simplistic idea of plot and character. Something along the lines of „the plot of any story has to be super-duper-clever and complex and characters need to constantly „grow““ both of which are not actual rules for good storytelling.
In the case of Luke, he already had his big character arc in the OT. And once that happens a character should settle down to some degree and become more static.
But aren‘t static characters more boring? Kind of but mostly no. The conflict just shifts from inside the character to the outside. For example, now that you have a more finished character that knows who he is, you can challenge that character and his traits and see how he deals with those challenges.
And of course to some degree the character can take a backseat and let the kids do the actual growing. You know, like adults do.
Is this (maybe) less interesting than what happens to Luke in the OT. Sometimes, but honestly the alternative to letting your characters get static is to brute-force constant character change and inner turmoil on them and in most cases that‘ll end up breaking them. Which is exactly what Rian Johnson did.
Amazing job, you really nailed this! I loved the EU and hate to see it go! Excellent essay! Congrats!
Hope you're staying safe
Exactly! Someone who sees exactly what I see and what it means!!
Disney Wars btw is not Star Wars. EU and what they call Legends is the real Star Wars!
It's called legends because they're read only by legends
Fantastic video. Thanks for making it!
Holy cow, I didn't even know about these.
Two years had passed, and this video still continues to be a masterpiece defence of the best and only Luke Skywalker who matters!
Thank you, Stunsy! And long live to the EU!
Luke in the EU being powerful is justified, he's the son of the Chosen One so obviously he is gonna be naturally powerful. All of that potential in Anakin passed on to his children. Plus, he had decades after ROTJ to learn and grow his power. He wasn't held back by restrictions and people telling him: "No you can't do that, it's forbidden." He just did it. Plus most of Luke's OP feats mostly happened in the latter half of the post ROTJ EU content, at the height of his power in his 60s
Thank you not making this all about bashing the sequels and saying it's okay to like them. At the very least I will agree Legends gave Luke a better ending since Rise of Palpatine (I refuse to call that Rise of Skywalker) didn't solve the plot the sequels revolved around. Thanks for nothing JJ Abrams.
My Dad described JJ Abrams as "Like a kid who asks to play with your toys and then breaks them".
@@HumanoidDerpling That pretty well sums up the end result of his work on Star Wars.
Abrams isn't a creative director when it comes to telling stories, though he is creative with action set pieces. He mostly puts new spins on what came before. Some of that worked in TFA.
Rise of Palpatine, not so much. Abrams stripped out everything that made the sequels' characters distinct. Rubbing salt in the wound as someone who liked the twist with Rey being a nobody in TLJ, Abrams said his idea for her being Palpatine's granddaughter came because he did like the twist of there being no big reveal of her parents being nobodies but it gave him the idea of "What if she came from an evil family?"
That idea could have worked if it was built from TFA, but not following TLJ saying Rey's family and where she came from wasn't important. Especially since this meant Rey's character arc was tied to her family for a third movie in a row. The message of one's family not defining them also didn't work since Kylo Ren's redemption meant he was a hero who came from a family of the galaxy's greatest heroes.
It is quite an accomplishment that Abrams managed to take the fans divided by TFA & TLJ and please none of them.
This vid is amazing. I’d love to see some other videos like this for characters like Leia, Anakin etc…
Imagine if Lego did Star Wars legends