Those are very nice! Thanks for making this video. There’s no videos on this DS leather in youtube. I ordered my pair of W&C DS leather from Nicks 3 weeks ago so I have a long time to go. I also ordered a pair of the Latigo leather so I can’t wait to compare those 2 pairs.
Just a heads up. The milled English Bridle leather is not embossed or faux texture. It is a finishing process. I quote from W&C "These sides start out the same as our traditional english bridle leather, but once they're finished and dry we tumble them in a drum. The process stretches and plumps the fibres causing the leather to soften and pebble. The pebbling will appear larger in areas where the fibres are loose, such as the belly and neck, but smaller in the butt the backbone. The milling process takes roughly 24 hours depending on the type of leather". I have a pair of Urban Loggers in buck brown milled bridle leather. They are absolutely gorgeous. The leather is very pliable but not oily and has very slight pull up. Because of the pliability they are incredibly difficult to crease, which I like. Thanks for the review. Nice to see the Nicks double stuffed appearing in the wild.
Ahhh ok. Thanks for the clarification. How are your boots aging? With the leather being so pliable, I am thinking there was not much break-in pain. At least for the uppers. And how is the patina going?
@@EscapedTexan Yep. Double stuffed is not milled. It is double stuffed. i.e. hot dipped in a special mix of oils, waxes and tallows - twice. Similar to the oiled Latigo but with a second dip. My comment was in response to part of the video discussing different W&C leathers (specifically milled W&C leather) not a comment on the title of the video.
If you get a high arch you need the extra room in the toe, because as you wear them in, you foot will drop a bit, for lack of an explanation. It will settle, so don't worry about it. Also, you can have thicker socks if necessary. The leather is treated with waxes and oils built in. Its an excellent leather. Good choice and they look great.
Thanks for the insight. I just bought some thick socks this week and have been enjoying the different fit and feel of the boots. The arch feel remains fine as I never experienced any issues from the start. I’m only 1 month in to my daily wear of the boots so the break in is still in progress. The leather is darkening a bit and a patina is developing.
I think if the fitment was correct you will be rewarded with a boot that could be worn to retirement and after. Assuming no great changes to the foot shape. My first pair truly saved me during covid. Enjoy the journey!
Thanks for the tip. I actually haven't worn the boots for several weeks now. NYC is still in summer mode. I think I'll start wearing them in about 2 weeks. I think break in should be relatively easy.
Great review and some nice insights into leathers. Can you make a few update videos(6 months, one year) to show off the patina. I'm really curious to see how the leather ages.
Definitely will do. I applied some Saphir Renovateur a couple of days ago and have only walked around for less than one hour total (due to the hot weather). I think the leather is darkening slightly, but it's too soon to tell. When the weather starts to cool, I will be wearing the boots every day and then I'll see how this leather ages/patinas.
What size do you wear in off the shelf boots? They have urban loggers on their ready to ship pages in a 10..5 D which is what is wear in Redwing Iron Rangers. I want to order them but I’m worried about the size
10D. I ordered the recommended size of going a 1/2 size down to 9.5D after calling Nicks Boots and speaking with 2 or 3 reps. When I first tried on the boots, the toe area actually appeared to be a slight bit long, making the boot look a bit odd. But after wearing them for a few weeks, the leather molded properly to my foot shape and now they look good. I am happy that I chose the celastic toe as well, since it does retain the sprung toe look of the 67 last. As for you, definitely call Nicks and see what they say. I'm not sure how Red Wing sizing compares with Nicks.
Thanks for the response. I followed their do it yourself fit instructions. My foot was 11 on their sheet and they told me 10.5 should be fine. Thanks again
@@dz7385 yes, it’s a moderate dogger. The high heel reminded me of my grandpas cowboy boots too much lol. How’s the breakin going on the DS? Thinking about switching my order.
@@kp.co.6074 Just walked about 2-3 hours this morning. This time wearing socks. For me. I'm not feeling any pain at all. The soles and uppers are just a bit stiff. As for the leather, there doesn't seem to be any creasing so far. I think it must be the amount of oils/waxes/etc/. I'm happy with my leather choice, as I actually just changed it about a month before they actually made them. It was actually drizzling a little this morning too, but no water spots formed on the leather. I saw youtube reviews of the W&C bridle leather where there were water spots.
Wow! You're right! I did call them after they emailed me and said the boots were in production. But when I called they said something happened and they actually started production about 2 weeks later. Maybe the factory seconds is the pair they messed up? Sounds very plausible considering it is the exact same pair of boot specs as mine. Too much of a coincidence I think.
So far I really can't feel much difference between the honey vibram and the regular v100 vibram (on my Chippewa loggers). But I haven't really wore the boot for any appreciable amount of time due to the hot weather right now.
@@mr.monitor. I cant really tell the difference much. I have a pair of Chippewa loggers with the v100 sole and I dont feel a detectable difference. I'm just starting to wear the boots on a regular basis now that the weather has cooled off so I'm walking a lot on NYC concrete.
How do those sample leathers compare to DS leather of boot ? Which one is hard ? Which one is thick ? Which one do you like more ? Did you request samples or they just sent without being asked ? Thanks for that nice review. I ordered mine today and gave a long way to go
DS is more waxy to the touch. And after wearing them just for a few hours (still pretty hot weather in NYC), there doesn’t seem to be any detectable creasing. I think the W&C bridle Will crease more, according to the other TH-cam video reviews of that leather. The harder/drier one is bridle. The milled harness also feels dry and not firm and also thin. Samples directly from W&C are easily had by just calling them. Nick’s was reluctant to give samples, but I said I paid $700 and was waiting 5 months to get the boots, so I really need to see/feel/smell the leather I want. Unless you really know what you want, I do recommend getting leather samples. Nick’s should instruct their customer service people to send samples on request, and don’t be so reluctant to do so. Also, I don’t have any experience with their work leathers, so I can’t give an opinion. I only know that they are thicker than the heritage leathers.
Did you happen to get a look at or sample of the W&C Double Stuff Burgundy? I noticed on Nicks website under the W&C DS MTO page there is an option for the DS in Burgundy. I really wanted to get a Traveler or Moc Toe in color 8 cxl but it's out of stock and tbd on availability, I suppose. The W&C DS MTO looks like an even better option, however. I wonder if W&C would send a small teeny sample of the W&C DS B...
Just call W&C. They are really nice people and should send you a sample, if they have it available for you. Also, try asking Nicks too. Sometimes they're a bit reluctant to send samples, but I just remind them I'm paying $700 for a pair of boots so I should be sure of my leather choice.
@@dz7385 I called Nicks Boots today and spoke with Kaylee. She was very nice and patient. I took the plunge and bought a pair of 8" Travelers in W&C DS Burgundy w/ celastic toe and sandy wedge outsole. It's gonna be a long wait but I know it will be worth it. I hope your break-in is still progressing well, thanks for the feedback and good luck w/ them boots. 🙂
@@EscapedTexan Took the plunge without actually seeing and touching the leather? Well I think you are still in good shape as I am happy with W&C double stuffed leather. As in my video, I do have some mahogany colored polish which I may start applying if I begin to want to see a more reddish hue. However, right now I am enjoying the slow patina forming so it is TBD if I will add any reddish hue. As for break in, I really only started wearing the boots on a daily basis in mid September as the weather finally became cool enough to do so. The boots are slowly becoming more comfortable but they were never uncomfortable from the start. I think you will find your boots to be the same as the break in should not be really severe or painful with the W&C leather and leather thickness.
@@dz7385 Yeah, I looked at the various samples of W&C's Harness Russett and compared it to your DS Natural, and using that along with other online pics of W&C harness burgundy and harness buck brown I sort of gleaned what the DS Burgundy and DS Buck Brown might actually look like. Hopefully it wasn't a mistake, lol.
Me too. I'll be posting a follow up vid probably in the Fall after wearing the boots for break-in. In 6 months I also hope to see a nice patina forming. Summer is just too hot to wear these boots for any significant time so far.
Think I'll post an update vid in November. Right now been wearing the boots daily since only mid September. The double stuffed leather was the right choice for me as it is not creasing like the W&C english bridle does and it is taking the elements well. The leather is slowlly taking on a nice and darkening patina, which is why I chose the veg tan. Your boot spec choice sounds great. I really wonder what is the difference between the 55 and 67 lasts, except for the toe. Are their arch supports the same? I am not experiencing any discomfort from my 67 last at all. And I think I just have "normal" feet.
@@dz7385 No, that is how the word is intended to be said. The way you pronounce it is not correct. I said some southerners use more of "a" in it. If you hear lat-i-go and lat-a-go you can barely tell a difference. "La-tee-go" is an entirely different word. It's doesn't matter if you are a NY'er or not.
what is the entirely different word then? I just googled "latego" and got portugeuse for whip. but there was no phonetic pronunciation notes so I can't tell how to pronounce
Thanks for the warning. I actually ran a few errands without socks, amounting to about 4 hours of wear. So far there has been no pain at all. Maybe because of my leather choice? Or that my feet are relatively standard and not needing of any special fit?
I didn't realize not wearing socks with Nicks (or any kind of work/heritage boot for that matter) was a thing people actually do. You've heard of or seen this, or you speak from experience?
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Those are very nice! Thanks for making this video. There’s no videos on this DS leather in youtube. I ordered my pair of W&C DS leather from Nicks 3 weeks ago so I have a long time to go. I also ordered a pair of the Latigo leather so I can’t wait to compare those 2 pairs.
please make a video when you get both pairs for comparison.
yes very nice. Can you cut them in half, so we can admire the construction?
I'll leave that to that other youtuber
Thanks for the review! Great looking boots!
Thanks! The review is a bit long, but I hope I added some different perspective that will help others with their boot buying decisions.
Hope to see an update video at some point. Gorgeous build!
Thx for the video. I wanted to get a good look at the Nat W&C DS.
Just a heads up. The milled English Bridle leather is not embossed or faux texture. It is a finishing process. I quote from W&C "These sides start out the same as our traditional english bridle leather, but once they're finished and dry we tumble them in a drum. The process stretches and plumps the fibres causing the leather to soften and pebble. The pebbling will appear larger in areas where the fibres are loose, such as the belly and neck, but smaller in the butt the backbone. The milling process takes roughly 24 hours depending on the type of leather". I have a pair of Urban Loggers in buck brown milled bridle leather. They are absolutely gorgeous. The leather is very pliable but not oily and has very slight pull up. Because of the pliability they are incredibly difficult to crease, which I like. Thanks for the review. Nice to see the Nicks double stuffed appearing in the wild.
Ahhh ok. Thanks for the clarification. How are your boots aging? With the leather being so pliable, I am thinking there was not much break-in pain. At least for the uppers. And how is the patina going?
I'm not sure, but I think this is the process for the milled harness, not the double stuffed. The double-stuffed isn't milled as far as I'm aware.
@@EscapedTexan Yep. Double stuffed is not milled. It is double stuffed. i.e. hot dipped in a special mix of oils, waxes and tallows - twice. Similar to the oiled Latigo but with a second dip. My comment was in response to part of the video discussing different W&C leathers (specifically milled W&C leather) not a comment on the title of the video.
Gorgeous boots dude. Love that leather, the 67 last, dogger heel, and honey vibram sole!!
Beautiful boots please do an update video!!
Coming soon!
If you get a high arch you need the extra room in the toe, because as you wear them in, you foot will drop a bit, for lack of an explanation. It will settle, so don't worry about it. Also, you can have thicker socks if necessary.
The leather is treated with waxes and oils built in. Its an excellent leather.
Good choice and they look great.
Thanks for the insight. I just bought some thick socks this week and have been enjoying the different fit and feel of the boots. The arch feel remains fine as I never experienced any issues from the start. I’m only 1 month in to my daily wear of the boots so the break in is still in progress. The leather is darkening a bit and a patina is developing.
I have a pair on order now, so I was interested to see them. Now I'm even more excited, though I'm not expecting mine until November. 😐
Same specs and leather?
@@dz7385 Same leather, but not quite the same specs. I got the 8" MTO on the HNW last with a block heel, mini-lug and unstructured toe.
I think if the fitment was correct you will be rewarded with a boot that could be worn to retirement and after. Assuming no great changes to the foot shape. My first pair truly saved me during covid. Enjoy the journey!
Thanks for the tip. I actually haven't worn the boots for several weeks now. NYC is still in summer mode. I think I'll start wearing them in about 2 weeks. I think break in should be relatively easy.
Update video?
Updated today, 12/26/23
Great review and some nice insights into leathers. Can you make a few update videos(6 months, one year) to show off the patina. I'm really curious to see how the leather ages.
Definitely will do. I applied some Saphir Renovateur a couple of days ago and have only walked around for less than one hour total (due to the hot weather). I think the leather is darkening slightly, but it's too soon to tell. When the weather starts to cool, I will be wearing the boots every day and then I'll see how this leather ages/patinas.
It will be brutal to break them in but i do love my pair need to rebuild them after 2 resoles
What size do you wear in off the shelf boots? They have urban loggers on their ready to ship pages in a 10..5 D which is what is wear in Redwing Iron Rangers. I want to order them but I’m worried about the size
10D. I ordered the recommended size of going a 1/2 size down to 9.5D after calling Nicks Boots and speaking with 2 or 3 reps. When I first tried on the boots, the toe area actually appeared to be a slight bit long, making the boot look a bit odd. But after wearing them for a few weeks, the leather molded properly to my foot shape and now they look good. I am happy that I chose the celastic toe as well, since it does retain the sprung toe look of the 67 last. As for you, definitely call Nicks and see what they say. I'm not sure how Red Wing sizing compares with Nicks.
Thanks for the response. I followed their do it yourself fit instructions. My foot was 11 on their sheet and they told me 10.5 should be fine. Thanks again
Man!! That double stuff is a beaut!! Big fan of the low dogger heel. Have a pair of Roberts with a low dogger on order.
My heel is the moderate dogger. Did you get the low dogger?
@@dz7385 yes, it’s a moderate dogger. The high heel reminded me of my grandpas cowboy boots too much lol. How’s the breakin going on the DS? Thinking about switching my order.
@@kp.co.6074 Just walked about 2-3 hours this morning. This time wearing socks. For me. I'm not feeling any pain at all. The soles and uppers are just a bit stiff. As for the leather, there doesn't seem to be any creasing so far. I think it must be the amount of oils/waxes/etc/. I'm happy with my leather choice, as I actually just changed it about a month before they actually made them. It was actually drizzling a little this morning too, but no water spots formed on the leather. I saw youtube reviews of the W&C bridle leather where there were water spots.
This exact boot in the same size is listed under the Factory Seconds page on their site. Maybe that explains the excessive wait time a little bit lol
Wow! You're right! I did call them after they emailed me and said the boots were in production. But when I called they said something happened and they actually started production about 2 weeks later. Maybe the factory seconds is the pair they messed up? Sounds very plausible considering it is the exact same pair of boot specs as mine. Too much of a coincidence I think.
Nice boots!
Beautiful 😊
Those look amazing! You'll like the honey vibram.
So far I really can't feel much difference between the honey vibram and the regular v100 vibram (on my Chippewa loggers). But I haven't really wore the boot for any appreciable amount of time due to the hot weather right now.
@@dz7385 it's supposed to be softer and quieter. Do you find that to be true?
@@mr.monitor. I cant really tell the difference much. I have a pair of Chippewa loggers with the v100 sole and I dont feel a detectable difference. I'm just starting to wear the boots on a regular basis now that the weather has cooled off so I'm walking a lot on NYC concrete.
I like them.
Beautiful boots man. I'm also going with the W&C natural double stuff😍
How do those sample leathers compare to DS leather of boot ? Which one is hard ? Which one is thick ? Which one do you like more ? Did you request samples or they just sent without being asked ? Thanks for that nice review. I ordered mine today and gave a long way to go
DS is more waxy to the touch. And after wearing them just for a few hours (still pretty hot weather in NYC), there doesn’t seem to be any detectable creasing. I think the W&C bridle Will crease more, according to the other TH-cam video reviews of that leather. The harder/drier one is bridle. The milled harness also feels dry and not firm and also thin. Samples directly from W&C are easily had by just calling them. Nick’s was reluctant to give samples, but I said I paid $700 and was waiting 5 months to get the boots, so I really need to see/feel/smell the leather I want. Unless you really know what you want, I do recommend getting leather samples. Nick’s should instruct their customer service people to send samples on request, and don’t be so reluctant to do so. Also, I don’t have any experience with their work leathers, so I can’t give an opinion. I only know that they are thicker than the heritage leathers.
@@dz7385 thanks you
Did you happen to get a look at or sample of the W&C Double Stuff Burgundy? I noticed on Nicks website under the W&C DS MTO page there is an option for the DS in Burgundy. I really wanted to get a Traveler or Moc Toe in color 8 cxl but it's out of stock and tbd on availability, I suppose. The W&C DS MTO looks like an even better option, however. I wonder if W&C would send a small teeny sample of the W&C DS B...
Just call W&C. They are really nice people and should send you a sample, if they have it available for you. Also, try asking Nicks too. Sometimes they're a bit reluctant to send samples, but I just remind them I'm paying $700 for a pair of boots so I should be sure of my leather choice.
@@dz7385 I called Nicks Boots today and spoke with Kaylee. She was very nice and patient. I took the plunge and bought a pair of 8" Travelers in W&C DS Burgundy w/ celastic toe and sandy wedge outsole. It's gonna be a long wait but I know it will be worth it. I hope your break-in is still progressing well, thanks for the feedback and good luck w/ them boots. 🙂
@@EscapedTexan Took the plunge without actually seeing and touching the leather? Well I think you are still in good shape as I am happy with W&C double stuffed leather. As in my video, I do have some mahogany colored polish which I may start applying if I begin to want to see a more reddish hue. However, right now I am enjoying the slow patina forming so it is TBD if I will add any reddish hue. As for break in, I really only started wearing the boots on a daily basis in mid September as the weather finally became cool enough to do so. The boots are slowly becoming more comfortable but they were never uncomfortable from the start. I think you will find your boots to be the same as the break in should not be really severe or painful with the W&C leather and leather thickness.
@@dz7385 Yeah, I looked at the various samples of W&C's Harness Russett and compared it to your DS Natural, and using that along with other online pics of W&C harness burgundy and harness buck brown I sort of gleaned what the DS Burgundy and DS Buck Brown might actually look like. Hopefully it wasn't a mistake, lol.
Expect to see the patina after 6 months
Me too. I'll be posting a follow up vid probably in the Fall after wearing the boots for break-in. In 6 months I also hope to see a nice patina forming. Summer is just too hot to wear these boots for any significant time so far.
Nice Boots! What color do they call that beautiful leather?
nvm Wicked & Craig double stuffed Harness? @6:33
@@davidfourte9253 yes
Any updates on these?? I am still waiting for my pair, I also got the 8" height, W&C leather (chestnut) and honey soles however I went with 55 Arch.
Think I'll post an update vid in November. Right now been wearing the boots daily since only mid September. The double stuffed leather was the right choice for me as it is not creasing like the W&C english bridle does and it is taking the elements well. The leather is slowlly taking on a nice and darkening patina, which is why I chose the veg tan. Your boot spec choice sounds great. I really wonder what is the difference between the 55 and 67 lasts, except for the toe. Are their arch supports the same? I am not experiencing any discomfort from my 67 last at all. And I think I just have "normal" feet.
@@dz7385 Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the update vid.
Are those sample leather pieces from wicket and Craig 6.5 ounces too ? I guess your shoes are 6.5 ounces. Please correct if I’m wrong.
yes. but my boots are supposed to be somewhere around 6-6.5oz.
I’ve got a pair of Prospectors with this leather on the way.
Nice! I think mine are basically 8" prospectors with honey vibram soles and the "normal" back/heel area. Yours should look very similar.
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Why are you whispering? 😄
I wasn't aware that I was whispering😯
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Lat-a-go not la-tee-go
It's spelled "Latigo". How would you pronounce this spelling?
@@dz7385 It is pronounced lat-a-go/lat-i-go. Some southerners say it with more of an "a".
@@JoeBlack-if3tz ah ok. its a southern "lazy" way of pronunciation. I'm a NYer.
@@dz7385 No, that is how the word is intended to be said. The way you pronounce it is not correct. I said some southerners use more of "a" in it. If you hear lat-i-go and lat-a-go you can barely tell a difference. "La-tee-go" is an entirely different word. It's doesn't matter if you are a NY'er or not.
what is the entirely different word then? I just googled "latego" and got portugeuse for whip. but there was no phonetic pronunciation notes so I can't tell how to pronounce
Don't ware them without socks especially for a long walk outside your feet will be shredded.
Thanks for the warning. I actually ran a few errands without socks, amounting to about 4 hours of wear. So far there has been no pain at all. Maybe because of my leather choice? Or that my feet are relatively standard and not needing of any special fit?
I didn't realize not wearing socks with Nicks (or any kind of work/heritage boot for that matter) was a thing people actually do. You've heard of or seen this, or you speak from experience?
Never mind, I should've watched the video before asking.🤐