The Book of Enoch Examined
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- Should Enoch be included in the Bible? How old is Enoch? Is there any truth in this book?
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Sources:
1 Enoch: The Hermeneia Translation - George W. E. Nickelsburg and James C. VanderKam
Why the Pseudepigrapha? - James Sanders
The Ethiopic Book of Enoch - Michael Knibb
The Pseudepigrapha and Modern Research - James Hamilton Charlesworth and Patricia Dykers
Judaism Outside the Hebrew Canon - Leonhard Rost
An Introduction to Early Judaism - James C. VanderKam
Outside the Old Testament - M. de Jonge
Jewish Literature Between the Bible and the Mishnah - George W. E. Nickelsburg
A Companion to the Book of Enoch - Michael Heiser
The Old Testament Canon of the New
Testament Church - Roger T. Beckwith
Josephus: The Life, Against Apion
- J. Thackeray
The Book of Enoch - R. H. Charles
The Apocalyptic Imagination - John J. Collins
The Son of Man in the Parables of Enoch and in Matthew - Leslie Walck
A Teacher for All
Generations: Essays in Honor of James C. VanderKam - Eric F. Mason
Heiser, Michael. “What's Ugaritic Got to Do with Anything?” Logos Bible Software, www.logos.com/ugaritic.
Reversing Hermon - Michael Heiser
#Bible #Nephilim #Giants
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Got 5/6 😊.
5 out of 6. It's hard to remember the difference between Nevi'im and Ketuvim. Maybe now I will.
Fairly certain Ezekial was referred to as the "Son of Man" just saying
Stop conflating Jews with Hebrews and Israelites
Modern day jews are neither
It was an honor to work with you on the script for this video, IP! I hope people are blessed by it.
HERE is the Original Semitic Text and it PROVES this jesus is a LIE
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH so there was no god while Jesus was here on earth? Also why would Jesus have prayed to the father then?
@@nickhanley5407
No, there is no jesus, he does not exist
There is ONLY YaH The Heavenly Father and YaH was Who they Crucified for our sins, NOT this jesus
@@Praise___YaH so God left heaven and was God while he was a baby, a little boy, a young man, and as a dead man on a cross? If Jesus wasn’t real, who was it then that prayed to his father to forgive them for they know not what they do?
@@nickhanley5407
YaH has a Soul and YaH has a Form, just as you do as Adam (Man) was Created in YaH’s FORMS “Image” and Moshe (Moses), Spoke to YaH FACE to FACE as one speaks to a friend.
It was YaH’s Form they Crucified for our sins and YaH’s Form is that of a 12 year old little Boy, and He chose that Form as it is the “Age of Innocence”
It’s been YaH all this time, that’s the Parable, that’s the Riddle
Dude I need to start financially supporting this channel. We often reference these videos as extra education at my Church. Great stuff my friend.
Thank you, it’s wonderful to hear the videos being used like that.
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Having now listened to this lecture in its entirety, I must express my shock and delight at your scholarship and your reasoning. Well done to both of you. Best examination on 1 Enoch I have ever had the privilege of enjoying. I am a fan, sirs, and now a subscriber.
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I’ll ask Enoch himself when I get to heaven . 🙂
Same brother/sister, I'm a big fan of Enoch despite what little knowledge we have of him, a very fascinating and righteous man
@@lowkeymichii nope
@@lowkeymichii Enoch was a man
he is not in heaven you fool
@@letshownboboi3869 where, hell?
Glad you did this subject. I've been learning more about the Ethiopian canon recently and saying that Enoch is the Messiah definitely seems like a trump card for the 'no' side.
I’m Ethiopian myself and this video is mostly accurate but his views on some minor issues don’t make sense
The Ethiopian church adopted Enoch into their broader cannon because it portrayed Christ
It portrayed An elect one a messianic figure the Ethiopian church is ancient it used that text as part of the oldies sent to further solidify its theology
@@Avzigoyhbasilsikos gotta remember the Greeks started there church
@@carnal61 well Saint Athanasius blessed the first Ethiopian bishop who was Syrian (he introduced the faith to the emperor as a slave) the Ethiopian church as a whole is part of the general oriental orthodox community.
One of the most valuable insights we get from the book of Enoch is a look into how 2nd Temple Jews thought about the title "Son of Man". This is important context for Jesus' use of the title in the New Testament.
This, of course, does not mean Enoch is authoritative. Just that it provides interesting and useful historical context.
The production quality of the video and the sources you bring to bear make this to be one of the BEST teaching vehicles on this topic I have ever encountered - you did an amazing job and at around 10 minutes in I was looking to join and support you more. Incredible content and truly inspiring. I could go on and on - I love your work.
Don't forget Dr. Heiser asserts Enoch is not inspired but also that not being inspired doesn't mean it can't refer to real mytho-historical events (with cognates in pagan theology no less).
If Babel was true, all the residents living their would have have had a similar understanding (memory of current and past events) and would have taken them to their new nations. Over time these stories would have reflected their new histories...especially of they were assigned a son of God that had its own agenda (Psalm 82).
@@obcane3072 conclusion? You could argue this did or didn't happen it seems to me.
It is useful for grammatical, historical, and cultural context...............and it also contradicts the Bible, see my book “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch”: truefreethinker.com/articles/new-book-consideration-books-enoch-ken-ammi
HERE is the Original Semitic Text and it PROVES this jesus is a LIE
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
Exactly. I think the fallen angels are interdimensional beings and that in our ancient past they ruled over humanity as false gods.
You have helped clear up so much confusion and anger that I felt when I went through the first chapter of Enoch, it went against everything else I knew, it caused me tremendous pain, thank you with all my heart ♥.
Hey, just started reading the book of Enoch. Mind explaining what exactly in it went against what you knew?
@@jeniosk1097teaches that enoch is the Messiah.
Hi if you can explain more please
Enoch the most mysterious biblical patriarch.
Enoch, the most mysterious NOT biblical patriarch.*
@@pafoneto1275 dude what?
@@pafoneto1275 Book of Enoch is not in the Bible, but Enoch is mentioned early in Genesis. And is "mysterious" cause it doen't say he died like the others, but that he was close to God and then was taken up to heaven. A bit like Elijah, who was taken up directly and without dying.
@@sandrapihlskott3262
Being mentioned ≠ biblical
¿So, the poetry books that other authors quote are also biblical?
¿"Like the other" who are they? ¿The other biblical authors? That doesn't make sense cause in the first place Enoch is not in the Bible so obviously would have different things.
@@sandrapihlskott3262 but also mysterious because he’s been referenced to Thoth bringer of knowledge and Hermès the messenger of gods
This was an Excellent deep-dive into the subject of The Book of Enoch. Very in-depth, and something I definitely needed right now. All to often people seem to want to treat Enoch as scripture or proof that the canon was altered. But it’s great to have the mostly full picture here while also not completely condemning the book itself. Excellent work guys
The book of enoch is less lord of the rings and more "side works of Tolkien"
Ha! Nice. 😏😉😎
Your pop cult EU
No it the opposite, Tolkien based most of his fables from the Book of enoch. Were you thinking he invented these tales out of thin air ?
@@teddyissak2720 exactly
Thank you so much for making this video!!!
As believers, we are to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:10-12.
Thank God that He alone can keep His Word Pure and Truthful through time, which is also made by Him!
Very very good content! This video offers an enormous amount of clarity as to how much weight the book of Enoch should carry in the minds of modern believers. Thank you very much for your diligent study on this topic. It was truly enlightening!
Interesting presentation!
Good work IP & team
From what parts of Enoch of I’ve heard I’d say where it’s most useful is understanding the end times because it talks about things like the watchers and nephalim and how fallen the world was before the great flood and it serves as a prophetic parallel to the end times and the return of Christ.
I went down the rabbit hole of the Book of Enoch after realizing it would have had to have been considered important enough to be preserved by Noah taking it on the ark. Then when I saw the mention of the 365 day year I realized it had to be false.
It’s 364 not 365
I saw someone talk about how Enoch and Noah never could have met.
@aaronshipp8766 That’s simply untrue. A typical year is 365 days. A leap year is 366 days. Fun fact, this is why some devotions will be written for 366 days.
If you count the Psalms as 5 books instead of 1 (since they are literally 5 books and are headed as Book I - Book V), then the Bible has 70 books, which seems to imply the Bible is already complete and perfect.
Good point
---- meanwhile, the Catholics ( which names implies "we were here first" ) already have 73 books in their Canon: I guess if they left Psalms as 1 and then made 1st & 2nd Kings, 1st & 2nd Sam, and 1st & 2nd Chron into 3 books theirs would be 'perfect' also ? Of course, in this quest for perfection, we are ignoring that 2 current books ( Esther & Song of Songs ) fail to mention god at all ( one of them is an erotic soft-porn poem & the other a gory tale of revenge ) and that a 3rd was a reluctant addition because so many high ranked church officials didn't think it was proper god material ( Revelation ).
@Questa Semplice Animazione -- yep, they were inspired
Revelation was inspired by a hatred of and a deep desire for retribution against the Romans
Esther was inspired by deep hatred against and the desire for revenge against those who persecuted the Jewish. It's another "get even" tale
Song of songs was simply porn inspired by those twin fawn-like breasts and curved thighs
@Questa Semplice Animazione ---- I have read the supposed similarities - pretty big stretch to claim it as the basis for Mass - yep, both have candles so that's where it had to come from.
"God does not inspire in vain" -- so what was the purpose in Jonestown ?
-- they didn't have the internet - nor mass produced images - nor printing - it's pretty much high-end porn for the era
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Thank you on this info.. Definitely A LOT to keep researching & learning... Appreciate.
FINALLY! I have been wondering for so long, had many an argument, and stayed confused as to why it was not included in the Bible or at least considered Holy Scripture. Most of the time, the argument was "because they said so" and my response was "oh so it SHOULD be part of the Bible, because I said so." Of course, the opposing party would state it doesn't work like that, which confused them that I agreed. Just because someone says so doesn't mean its suddenly Holy Scripture or not; the Bible has copious amounts of actual proof built within it to combat that very problem. SO. Now that I have watched this, and saw that in the book of Enoch it states that Enoch himself is the Messiah - which suddenly contradicts the very doctrine of the Bible itself - and thus cannot be considered scripture. Never a good reason for years and it ended up boiling down to a single sentence. Ugh...
Age matters, it's one of 1000s of things you can use to prove that the Koran is false witness to God, that it came 600 years after Jesus 😂 that and it says Jesus was devout Muslim which makes me sick to stomach, even the pagans know Jesus was a Jew
the truth is often quite simple, it is us who complicates it, as we have done since the dawn of our creation lol
@@C_The_Guy Even if the reason was complicated, I would have at least liked a real reason. The answers I got were:
"I don't know" - Which would be reasonable but I was asking people who claimed to be experts.
"Because ancient scholars said so" - Which you heard my argument about it in my original post.
"It wasn't in an accepted style" - This one upset me the most. The Bible is written over hundreds if not thousands of years, in 3 different languages, covering multiple continents, kingdoms, and cultures. But suddenly the issue for the Book of Enoch wasn't accepted because of it's "style"? And what "style" would that be? "uh... I don't know" Yea figures...
The worst part was people began shying away from talking to me about it. As if I was doing something wrong by asking "why". It really got on my nerves because I follow God FAITHFULLY, not blindly. He is the truth and is not afraid of my questions. Now I know the truth and can follow more faithfully.
I did not interpret it as Enoch himself was saying he was the messiah when I read it.
@@macv2792 In the book of Enoch, it claims the Messiah has another title of "Son of Man". In 1 Enoch 71:14, it has Enoch having a vision where an angel comes to him and tells him that HE is the "Son of Man" and thus the messiah.
As for Son of Man, 1 Enoch 48:2-10 is a whole rant about how Son of Man is the Messiah.
So recap: 1 Enoch 48:2-10 = Son of Man is the Messiah.
1 Enoch 71:14 = Enoch is the Son of Man.
Thus, in the book of Enoch, Enoch is claiming to be the Messiah.
Since we all know Jesus is the Messiah, the book of Enoch fails it's attempt to be Biblically accurate, and thus is not scripture.
I personally believe that the Books of Enoch contain some truths to be gleaned from it; but, due to it's great antiquity, it became too corrupted to be included in the canon.
I have read somewhere that Paul carried it with him in all his travels.
what is so special about the canon? Enoch and Elijah pleased God. They obviously understand how to think. That is terrific, praise God
Jesus taught his disciples that they should travel light so it is unlikely Paul would bring any Enoch fan fiction with him. You know if there was no truth in Enoch, nobody would swallow it. Of course there is a bit of truth, enough to conceal the poison. Any "truth" to be gleaned from 1 Enoch can be found in the Old Testament. 1 Enoch is essentially worthless for any Christians. The only people who value it are people who have not come to Jesus and so they still hunger and thirst.
Great video IP! I remember reading the book of Enoch and I think you've changed my view on it.
The narrator: "James Charles--"
Me: NO WAY
The narrator: "--worth writes"
Me: ohhh
Yeah I was djdhebos for a second
From a cultural view I really like the book of Enoch. I highly doubt that its cannon but it's a fun read. Thank you for the video.
The Ethiopian church considers 1Enoch to be canon.
The NT writers sure did read a whole lot of enoch though
Actually it's referenced by other books in the bible.
@@dbsirius something being referenced doesn't make it cannon. Paul references greek pagan books, were not gonna call that cannon now are we
@@jonathansoko5368 nice!
Heiser says Enoch is not canonical but does state that it is an accurate reflection of 2nd temple Jewish thought, especially in regards to Demonology and Angelology. It was a response to the pagan milieau they lived in. It expanded on how the four falls contributed to sin in the world (Fall of Adam, Fall of Satan, Fall of the Watchers, and Fall of the sons of God).
The book can be viewed as containing truths of our past but not God inspired.
IP were right, 1st Enoch is probably more of like a commentary on these days.
As we quote from some modern commentaries, probably we agree with the commentator on one topic but disagree over another topics, because it seems doesnt make sense for us, so we tend to look another commentary for reference.
Beautifully said!
It does fit well with the era since that era is infamous for wild speculation, historical fiction, folklore, etc., see my book “In Consideration of the Book(s) of Enoch”: truefreethinker.com/articles/new-book-consideration-books-enoch-ken-ammi
Enoch isn't inspired but I think it is a recollection of something that actually did happen. I believe that the fallen angels are interdimensional beings and that in our ancient past they ruled over humanity as false gods.
See my articles on this:
www.quora.com/What-are-your-thoughts-on-the-Annunaki/answer/Damien-Cowl
www.quora.com/What-are-angels/answer/Damien-Cowl
www.quora.com/Did-Nephilim-exist-Are-there-arguments-for-and-against-the-existence-of-these-biblical-creatures-What-is-the-evidence-if-any-supporting-these-claims/answer/Damien-Cowl?prompt_topic_bio=1
Heiser is a fraud but enoch was written by the Jesuits.
Thank you for all your work, IP. I love watching your videos and it has helped me so much to better understand the Bible, faith and arguments for God and Christianity. You are an amazing role model which I aspire to be like some day!
very cool name
Thank you for this informative video.
It has been a while since i watched your videos. Nice work as always Bro.
There is also a HUGE difference between the description of Heaven in Enoch, compared to John's Revelations....
These so-called scholars roll everything into one and then say..."ah-ha, got cha." And truly, there were
no correlations at all. As if I wrote a book and said, "he went to the store." Their interpretations would
be, he stole that line from this book, or this author who wrote the same phrase back in blah-blah.
@@josephololade how do you know this? in the revelatrion it says there is only 12 gates with angels gaurding them
@@darthclone7 yes, it never states how large each gates were and how far they are from each other ..
@@josephololade Can you explain is Heaven outside of the Universe? Although the Universe is infinite?
@@mariahyohannes It depends on what you consider the universe to be. They now say there are/could be multiple universes. Is the universe simply a grouping of stars? Well outside of that then is simply darkness forever. It has to be forever because I can't imagine a wall being at edges of the universes, if you know what I mean. I believe heaven is in a realm that might be in a place in the universe or it might simply be accessible through a spiritual access point on a different plain that we cannot access while living on earth...
Awesome work. It would be great if you could cover the authorship of Daniel and what to make of it.
The music is so eery. The whole video is so good. Great job.
Great video. Liked and subscribed. I especially like that you include an extensive bibliography! Keep up the great work.
Thank you so very much for this clarification. I so wanted it to be authentic yet I was left with a nagging due to 'rain' being mentioned. Selective truth searching seems to be a well sought after rut of ignorance for my itching ears. Thank you for keeping 'it' real, all glory to God and the Lord Jesus, our saviour, & true teacher.
I think parts of it could be, but it’s a slippery slope.
Several writers? All it takes is one being right to have some validity.
Again, tho, when it’s hard to tell what is or isn’t, it’s best to keep it removed from canon and study it with surgeon gloves
Depends on the version of Enoch. There is a Qumran version and a Coptic, etc. Even if it is partially or entirely accurate in its original form it was obviously corrupted by the time we got it. It predates Gilgamesh, another corrupted version of the story. But it's still useful in context and subservient to known cannon and truth as adjacent. It it's original form... it was probably inspired and accurate, predating the flood. Even if it was compiled later, it doesn't negate the possibilities. It shows why Moses would have had to correct and standardize the cannon in his era.
if it was corrupted its probably not the word of God…
Nothing predates Gilgamesh, dude. At least not from a secular standpoint. If that’s a theological view, then ok.
Thank you for this presentation gentleman. I am always fascinated by modern folks's reaction to the writings of ancients. Fascinating indeed!
But what about when Jude 14:15 quotes the Book of Enoch directly saying that Enoch "prophecied"? Why would Jude say that he prophesied if it wasn't canon?
Prophecy isn't writing a book. It would have said 'Enoch wrote a book'. Prophecy means saying a prophecy. Use your brain, God gave it to you to use.
@@cloverbird5785 You're missing my point. Evidence proves multiple contradictions and historical inaccuracies in Enoch, yet Jude says that he prophecies and many other parts of the Bible quotes it as if it were authoritative. There's an inconsistency that I'm trying to have answered here.
Wait....
What passage in Isaiah are you talking about? I cannot find the name, "Enoch", anywhere in Isaiah. Are you saying that Enoch is mentioned, though somehow not by name, in Isaiah? Please cite which passage in Isaiah you are referring to, claiming that it is a quotation from "the Book of Enoch". I do not even find the word, "prophecied [sic]", in Isaiah. In short....what the heck are you talking about?
@@djengo77 OH WAIT! It's Jude 14:15! Not Isaiah! Sorry! XC
Why do you say Jude is quoting the so-called "Book of Enoch"?
I would be curious to know if the book of Enoch‘s reference to the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel is included in the oldest part or later parts. If it is found in the parts considered to be the oldest, it could be another line of evidence to show that Daniel was not written in the 2nd century B.C. as some scholars claim..
It's an important book to study because it shows ideas and sentiments people had in the later Second Temple period. It helps you understand some of the thoughts people had back then. There were a lot of books like this that were floating around and it's clear that even the NT authors were aware of them and sometimes referenced them in their writings. So therefore, they're important even if we don't consider them Scripture.
This is put together very well, Thank you for your time.
Thank you, this was very informative 😊
Can you do a deep dive into the Book of the Watchers’ validity on its own? As you said, Enoch was several writers. I think that book is the one most looked at as valid.
@Stuart Donnelly I mean, for that, people update place names. They did it with Moses, too. Exodus. The city wasn’t called Rameses back then. They also did it with Genesis several times.
I have a question concerning the separate sections of Enoch, especially the book of parables (one that’s definitely written way after the other books in 1st Enoch). Since in the book of parables, it seems to show Enoch being a messiah/Son of Man rather than Jesus, what should we make of this?
@@clayton4349 it may be a mistake caused by translators or people's misunderstanding of what that passage says. I have seen a wrongly translated verse in the Bible which says a man should marry a woman he raped instead of saying a man should marry a woman he had sex with.
I think people seen to confuse what IS canon from Enoch and what isnt.
If we go with the early writings of the greek septuagint and dead sea scrolls, then the spiritual rebellion in genesis 6 that is expanded on in greater detail in 1st Enoch, should be believed to be real. I believe it's real at least.
We can trust scripture, and we can use Enoch as a tool to paint the picture in our mind as to what happened.
I feel that if anything came from the real Enoch, it would be the account of the watchers of mount hermon and their offspring the nephilim being passed down orally into even the time of moses ( who quotes the incident at babel in deutoronomy 32:8 and also kills Og of Bashan, and the israelites know what nephilim are).
I think Heiser's observation of the ancient near east being that Sumer recognized the annunaki as originally coming from Mount Hermon ( which is significant given how far west the mountain is from Ancient Sumer).
We can also trust the account of Enoch's trip into tartarus, as the fallen stars in chains and gloomy darkness is quoted in Jude, and the lake of fire which is enochic literature is quotes by Jesus himself.
The rest about the metatron, and Enoch being the messiah we can throw out the window.
I figured God inspired this stuff into the scripture, but it gets listed as an afterthought for two reasons. 1) So much awesome of God's work takes place in Genesis, so giving these giants and fallen angels any credit wasnt bringing much to the solution to be disciples of Christ through loving God with all our hearts and loving our neighbor as ourselves,
And 2) It was being told through the perspective of the Victors, and if Genesis was indeed from Moses, then surely he would have gotten the details from God himself during the time of Sinai, since its described that God and Moses were close friends.
So I have the feeling the walk God took with Enoch was real as mentioned in Genesis, and on this walk Enoch saw the punishment for the sin of the watchers, the giants, tartarus and how God has a plan that would be fulfilled through Jesus.
My favorite comment here
That's my take as well. Some parts are true and others are craziness
I recently listened/read these 3 books presented by Christopher Glyn and I was just floored! I believe with my heart these books are real and true. I was hooked from the book of the watchers to the end of the last. I did not ever get the impression or interpretation that Enoch ever thought or was told he was the Christ. In many many chapters in these books he writes about what and who the Messiah is as well as being shown where HE lives and all the souls who love and follow him will come to live. I just know that I agree totally with this comment besides the interpretation that Enoch was " THE SON OF MAN, MEANING MESSIANIC FIGURE" He that was before the Head of Days, walked beside Head of Days and Enoch asked who was this? The answer wasn't himself, lol
I think this is interesting, but if it were canonical in any way/shape/form then I believe it would have further supporting scripture. The Bible hardly operates on half truths or partial truths and to include canon from something that isn’t “fully” canon is a little sus. It’s also a lot to expound on for 1 verse in the Bible, especially since it’s suggested that it didn’t arrive until way after the writings of the Torah. However, I do appreciate your perspective on this and take it as something to consider.
@@GabeGarsia Well, I wouldnt call this a half truth. We have Enoch, Jubilees, Jasher and the book of giants all referencing this calamity of nephilim. Furthermore, the neighboring countries like Egypt, Greece, and Babylon all worshipped these kings or heroes of old like Hercules, Theseus or Gilgamesh.
I would like to read a book where a scholarship looks at the historic writings of those who took scripture seriously and who wrote what is considered scripture today in view. And speak to the implications of how the nature of belief in length of time from creation to the present would be effected in understanding the purpose of prophecy and eschatology.
James a Wylie and h gratton Guinness.
Dr. Michael Heiser is worth reading. If nothing else, TH-cam him and check his thoughts with scripture.
He did a full blown commentary also on the book of Enoch.
He gave footnotes. Maybe you can find a book there to start with.
Yo i have been having this question for months and no one has ever been able to answer me but finaly you did and thabk you so much. Keep doing aervice for the lord
Thank you for your hard work, Jones. I love your channel. God bless you, brother.
Well researched guys. Much appreciated. Bruce
The book of Enoch is real
God told me, even though I was convinced it wasnt true
Pray about it
I'm glad you did this.
can you please do the examination for the book of Esdras too.
because 2 Esdras 7:28 mentions the messiah as the Son of God...
2 Esdras (or 4 Esdras) is considered cannon by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.
It is widely cited by the church fathers.
and most scholars agree that it was originally written in Hebrew.
so please....thank you
and it was in the Greek Septuagin.
This is a Protestant page altho he has good content your better of reading scholars in regards to cannons
It is believed that 2 Esdras was written in 100 AD by a Christian
@Questa Semplice Animazione --- true: which also helps explain why there are an estimated 36,000 Christian sects in existence
@Questa Semplice Animazione --- religion ( and especially Christianity and Islam ) has been a disaster to the human race and to the Earth.
@Questa Semplice Animazione
""bones rhodes Find God, "
why ? have you lost him again ?
"the only force that freed people from slavery was christianity."
---- hardly: and as many "Christians" had slaves as didn't: their bibles even included instructions on how to treat them, such as: "when you beat your slaves, makes sure they don't die immediately" Ex 21: 20-21 / / 26-27. Yes, that is OT, but Yeshua tells you that it is still in full effect Matt 5: 17-19 . In fact, the reason we are currently cursed with Southern Baptists is because they wanted to keep their slaves.
You missed the part where Jude calls the Author of Enoch the "seventh son from Adam" Id like that explained
I think there are two Enochs inGenesis. One was the son of Cain and the other the seventh generation through Seth.
Also the fact that before catholics recanonized the Bible the book of Enoch was in most bibles. They didn't explain that either
the Enoch book is trash. 2300 year old fan fiction. Even pegan books are quoted.
@@helloprettiii I would beg to differ Sir, because the Jewish Canon was formed and accepted at the council of Jamnia in 90AD. 🕎🌎🌍🌏✝️
@Juan Pluzwaniztu the bible is an integrated message system outside our space time domain knowing the end from the beginning. It's playing out right before our very eyes. This is a war between God and the devil and we are either the pawn or the prize.
Off the bat I will speak as someone with past experience using psychedelic drugs in search of meaning... Enoch claims the fallen angels (in Genesis the sons of god mate with the daughters of man) taught people how to use these plants. This idea is reinforced by findings by Graham Hancock, that shamans of the Amazon actually proclaim in their own tradition that spirits taught them the secrets of the ayahuasca brew. So that’s interesting.
What’s better though is the love of god which surpasses all understanding. Thank you IP man!
Thank you for this video; I've been looking for this kind of analytical examination of this book of Enoch. Well done! Great job!
Once again, thank you and God bless you!
I don't think the Book of Enoch should be regarded as scripture, but we're also told in Malachi that Elijah will return. And all Jesus had to do was reinterpret it and say, "John the Baptist was Elijah," because he did some of the same stuff or something. So much is open for interpretation. So while I think Enoch isn't canon, it's a valuable book. And I wouldn't focus on Enoch being "the Son of Man" because you could easily throw Malachi out as well. As I stated, Malachi says Elijah will return and that clearly did not happen (unless you reinterpret the passage... Jews are still waiting for Elijah, by the way). I would be more interested in seeing how the people who regard Enoch as scripture interpret the Son of Man passages you explained.
Love the quiz good job as always
I did get really good messages from the Bible out of this video. I believe it will help me a lot with my studies
like what, if you don't mind giving an example??
I’m just commenting for the algorithm :) keep up the great content
All of the Pro-Enoch fans are gonna hate this video. Good work on the research IP!
I'm pro-Enoch, and I don't hate IP. What IP says makes perfect sense. I'm still going to read Enoch and try to understand it but that doesn't mean Enoch has to be canon. I couldn't care less if Enoch was "official" canon or not.
Enoch isn't inspired but I think it is a recollection of something that actually did happen. I believe that the fallen angels are interdimensional beings and that in our ancient past they ruled over humanity as false gods.
See my articles on this:
www.quora.com/What-are-your-thoughts-on-the-Annunaki/answer/Damien-Cowl
www.quora.com/What-are-angels/answer/Damien-Cowl
www.quora.com/Did-Nephilim-exist-Are-there-arguments-for-and-against-the-existence-of-these-biblical-creatures-What-is-the-evidence-if-any-supporting-these-claims/answer/Damien-Cowl?prompt_topic_bio=1
If by “Pro-Enoch fan”. You mean people who do not see 1 Enoch as canonical but value it as an important pseudo-biblical source, then I believe yes. You’re right. And Only because this video spends 3/4 of its content drilling you about how 1 Enoch is not canon. (Duh.). Anyone with half a brain can figure out that this book has major theological flaws and contradictions. But it’s still an important book for people who do serious Bible study. Yes! it’s not canonical, but it doesn’t have to be to gain good insight in the inspired work that quote the book.
I'm confused. Jude said that Enoch "prophecied." He ignored that verse.
@@gabetalks9275. Yup. Not his best work. Too bad. This could have been a great topic. Too much catering the uninformed minority.
Thanks for the breakdown. Hope you'll do one on Jubilees.
Good idea, I can look into that.
OmG i'm so glad you made a video on Enoch, can't wait!!
A greed!
"Omg" is using God's name in vain.
@@Subzero-hh8ix does it count as using His name if I just type the first letter, though?
@@santiagodiaz3358 YES...because it's implied.
@@Mary_Kraensel god dammit I use omg all the time
Excellent, excellent work. Careful and thorough breakdown that provided a lot of insight and clarity. God bless you all for your dedication!
A lot of work went into this video! Well done!
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Can you make a video about Wisdom of Salimon chapter 2, and how the content 'prophecies'(?) Jesus crucifixion? How 'the righteous man' would be 'tested' with "ridicule" and 'torture', calling God for his Father, etc. Would be interesting.
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Amazing research and explanation. Thank you!
Such great info thank you and God bless you
Thanks. Excellent work on the book of Enoch. Enjoyed it very much.
Wow I literally get an ad. of a guy giving a free Enoch e-book...
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I just watched the video, and I truly appreciate all the time and effort spent. I just have one question I was hoping you could comment on. The specific quote made in Jude, references Enoch as prophesying (Jude 14). Does this not distinguish the material quoted in Enoch from other texts quoted by the apostolic writers?
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Well done and well explained.
Very well done... loved the explanation of both the doctrine of canonicity and how Enoch can not begin to meet the criteria.. :)
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I'll admit, the only thing I really know about the Book of Enoch is what's in the video game that used the text for its story and inspiration (El-Shaddai). It was a fun game and really interesting though, and I always wondered about the actual Book of Enoch. So this was fascinating to listen to.
Thanks for the video I really enjoyed it .
Very good, very thoroughly put together. You've helped me to understand the issues involved to a greater degree than before. Thank you.
HERE is the Original Semitic Text, You NEED to READ This
YaH The Heavenly FATHER was Who they Crucified for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic Scroll:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moses wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
@@Praise___YaH that's in English, not a Semitic language.
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What I shared is the Ancient Semitic Text, written in Moshe’s (Moses) own handwriting and it the Direct Translation and it is PERFECTLY TRANSLATED.
I hope you’ll go back and READ what I shared
I'm ethiopian, right around where the falasha live there's the kemant, an amhara ethnic group who reject everything after Moses. They trace their ancestry straight to Kam.
Ethiopians make all kinds of claims yet history and evidence seems to go against your grand claims
@@jonathansoko5368 which ones give examples for as far as I know their claims are valid
@@ianchitauro7641 prove it, this far no one has. All they do is give ethiopian fairy tales
i wanted to point the Septuagint but you did it for me, very good video
Well done. I'm glad I found your channel recently, I've been binge watching and enjoying ever since. Excellent work and God bless
What if the literary dependency is reversed? The Old Testament texts containing content from Enoch, not the other way around...
And Enoch walked with God and he was no more is the only verse in the Old Testament
@@gerics uhm…I wonder why????🤔 Open your mind my guy.
Because embellishment happens after a fact, not before. Enoch is embellishment. .
One of the things I noticed while chasing down the Enoch connection was that in the NT Enoch was quoted, not the Book of Enoch.
You can find that verse in the Book of Enoch though
What I find interesting is so many will rather read the book of Enoch than the Bible. They will find any and every excuse to claim it to be canon when the vast majority of scholars and even Jewish doctrine do not consider it inspired
Well said. Agree 100%. The only people who place importance in the book of Enoch (and other extra-canonical texts) are those who don’t know the Bible well enough to identify the counterfeit nature of Enoch.
i love your work man, could you do videos on the other "lost books of the bible" like jubilees?
Really good, deep and informative video. That's why I subbed. Thanks!
Comparing Jude quoting Enoch with Paul quoting a pagan philosopher is intellectually dishonest. Jude clearly says that Enoch prophesied, he didn’t just quoted some well known book. And earlier in the book he makes a reference to the angles being cast out of heaven, and kept bound until judgement day. Something that is only really laid out in the book of Enoch.
Besides IP doesn’t believe that Lord will return with thousands of his holy ones, to bring judgement on the whole earth. Post millennialism is the only end time view I would call heretical. If it were up to him, I’d guess he’d throw Jude out the window as well.
Yes this felt abit Anti - Enoch, there was one comparative text taken to debunk the entire book although there are scholars arguing that it can be finalised in several interpretations.
99% of it conveyed the idea that the Messiah was forthcoming and that Enoch was not the Messiah. If the book wanted to convey that message IP would have easily came up with multiple examples rather than one for a stronger argument. There were definitely some unjust connations to paganism, and mystical deities which is far fetched from the sincerity in which enoch is mentioned in the Bible.
Love the videos but I have issue with the Jude 7 reference. Jude clearly identified the Enoch as THAT Enoch, 7th in line from Adam. If the quote is true, then what is its source? Why does that book get one thing right,and everything is suspect? BTW, I have problems withe book's description of a 364 day and winds that carry the sun or is that only poetic?
Also Chronicles does not describe the death of the Zechariah referred by Jesus. That was another man because there is a difference in the time-line. Zechariah, son of Jehoida, of Chronicles occurred 3 centuries prior to the time-line of The OT prophet Zechariah, son of Berikiah.
save your breath do not throw pearls on pigs! We are on the last days scoffers shall arise! they no longer believe in authority to scriptures! somebody wrote it for the benefit of humanity but scoffers just destroy it !
We have several dozen fragments of the ‘Scroll of the Book of the Words of Henoch son of Jared, 7th from Adam to All the Sons of Light in the Last Days...’ from the Dead Sea Scrolls & several quotations from the Books of Henoch in the NT e.g Jude 1:17-21
IP, you should really do a video on the Book of Jubilees! Given it was considered Torah by John the Baptist’s sect of Judaism, and clearly teaches Young Earth Creationism, it should be covered with relation to your Genesis series. Jubilees shows us what Jews before and during the time of Christ believed about creation and none of it left room for evolution. Cultural context is everything when studying Scripture, so I would love to hear your thoughts on this! God bless🙏
What about Jude quoting it? He cited it as scripture!
It's also mentioned in the Epistle of Barnabas.
Also, Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, and Tertullian all considered it to be scripture!
Edit: D'oh! He mentioned my first point with a solid rebuttal! 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
growing up in Christian tradition I never heard about the book of Enoch till encountering apologistic video's or arguments
and following this video it seemed I did not miss much in the past and the Enochian arguments seem to have a high Hancock-Bauval-von Danicken value when apologists refer to it.
At best the Book of Enoch looks to me like a kind of Lord of the Rings of it's time. Interesting but worth purchasing and reading? I doubt it.
Nice one. Thanks. I like it.
Loves your videos brother! St Paul short quotes this book over 50 times in his epistles I believe this is why the Ethiopians keep it, that and the book originated there but it was prominently used by 1st century Christians!
I know how u love the “cultural context” while BLATANTLY ignoring it, even carefully mentioning how Enoch mentions the Angels in Genesis 6 even though you deny the interpretation. Funny how cultural context seems more about fitting your culture than the authors. Enoch is a interesting book regardless if it is inspired or not. We can say beyond a doubt how Genesis 6 was interpreted although the effort to obfuscate its original interpretation is nothing new and continues till this day with the pride driven arrogant men protecting the laymen from the supernatural and miraculous events recorded in Scripture. The problem is the modern cultural context of methodological naturalism being forced onto a text and culture that was free from this disease plaguing thousands upon thousands of people that plays a huge part in turning them away from The Lord. God have mercy on our souls.
First! And don't forget my contribution on this video.. can't wait to see how he continues to take man's word over God's Word.
@MyImList Then, what about Enoch calling himself messiah?
"By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,"
1 John 4:2
How can i believe someone who says "I am the Messiah"? I would never believe. Because of he claiming to be the Messiah, i reject all his book.
I like your background music, may I ask where you get them from ?
Really enjoying your page in it’s entirety brother. Much needed. I will spread the word
Thank you!
When it comes to missing passages, because of their scarcity, the absence of them doesn't necessarily mean that is the evidence of their actual absence.
Sure not. But one shouldn't base an argument on a passage one has to suppose to be lost.
Honestly I don’t care if the book of Enoch isn’t the word of god, I’m still gonna enjoy it for all it’s worth.
@@agadirand4four347 good words.
@@agadirand4four347 no, but I do believe in something and honestly that’s alright with me and if others out there feel the same then that’s ok. But this is only my opinion.
who says the bible is the word of God?????, I mean literally...who?
xena tron we do
@@bigman9854 on what authority?
Rational well put together video. I've never understood so often with Christian sects the hope for "something more". Why can't everyone appreciate and enjoy what we have which is life and this beautiful blue marble among a large area of rather lifeless space. This we know and don't need to add fiction, or science fiction to an already great story that we know is pretty much true because we live it each day. I guess most everyone hopes for justice against evil. Well, that evil is manmade, so it should be men who deal with it. And is the price for having "free will". I certainly don't understand it. But you don't need to to be able to deal with it or eradicate it. Good video.
chapter 18 of enoch talks about an invicible force called "wind" or ruakh in hebrew and it place cosmic bodies called "mountain" in its bind..
read it by replacing wind with gravity and mountain with planets.. and it will all make sense
I’m neither pro or anti-Enoch. I’m Coptic and in the Coptic Orthodox Church, Enoch is not canon. And authorship is not an issue. Just because it’s not “by Enoch” doesn’t take away its inspiration. I think we can draw some inspiration from this no different from the rest of scripture.
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Sorry my friend do you realise how stupid that sounds. Really think about what you have said.
@@PA1606X thank you for your contribution friend. May you continue to enlighten stupid minds
@@PA1606X If, for example, I Enoch substantially contains material that substantially communicates that which Enoch said and communicated, it contains inspired material that may help our understanding of the Bible in areas where it lacks references necessary to understanding it. (and that is the case in places). Example: what is the abyss/bottomless pit (Book of Rev and demons interacting with Jesus at the tombs), who or what is Azazel? (scapegoat), what are the "angels that sinned", what are demons?, why is "the son of man" seemingly a completely understood term referring to messiah when it is not used often in the canonical OT scriptures in that way? (But it is common in I Enoch)
Is it likely that Enoch would be referred to as having "prophesied" and having "pleased God" in the NT, when no reference to that activity, or of anything he said or taught was extant at the time and commonly available? If it was then contemporary material that was passed down orally, then why is such not given any spiritual credence in most Christian circles? If no information about this was available at the time, then would not those receiving such statements think "what is he talking about"?
@@gregm3139 Hello Greg, I had forgotten this thread.
The book of Enoch is a fan fiction written between 300 bc and 100 ad.
Enoch words and thoughts are not his own but those put into his mouth and mind by the authors for their own purposes.
Of course the earliest Christian writers plundered it, they did the same with whole chunks of Jewish scripture.
It was canon for many Christians and Jews until they realised it was mad as a bucket of frogs and chucked it as an embarrassment.
Not sure you would agree with this analysis but it is (in a nutshell) the current historical one.
Cheers
Even though the Book of Enoch is not Scripture, I have to disagree with certain arguments you put forth. The Jewish Canon was not set that early. Timothy Lim, in his book "The Formation of the Jewish Canon" estimates 250 A.D. at the latest.
Also about the argument about the blood of Abel to Zechariah, I'd say that's reading too much into a statement meant to speak about some who were murdered. Enoch was not murdered, so I don't see how this would apply to him.
Furthermore, while talking about Matthew 23:34-35, Lee Martin McDonald, in his book "The Biblical Canon: Its Origin, Transmission, and Authority," suggests the three part Jewish Canon was on starting to close around the time the Gospels were being written and it wasn't firmly fixed yet. (Page 93) He then says that a good explanation for some of the evidence is that the three part canon was developed in the 2nd century of the common era. (Page 97)
You are correct in saying that Enoch is not Scripture. It is not. But I cannot endorse your reasoning here. I like a lot of your videos, but this particular video needs some serious revision
IP in the future, are you planning to do some video on Shroud of Turin?
I hear from some Prof Gary Habermas newest interview that the shroud's research have some new thing that refute the 'Carbon-dating' but wasnt clearly described.
Hmm nice but I can't understand why the shroud has Jesus with beard when it's said that they pulled his beard did it grow in 3 days?
@@nireekshanaanand3464 pulled doesn't equal shaved. Beyond that there is a part of the image where the beard appears to be missing.
@@daniellowry660 OK cool thanks
@@nireekshanaanand3464 you should check out Barry Schwortz's talks on the shroud. He's jewish but came to believe in its authenticity. I think he handles some of the biblical objections i.e. the beard and such the best.
@@daniellowry660 oh thank you so much