The Truth about the Council of Nicaea
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What happened at the council of Nicaea? Was the Trinity made up there? Was the divinity of Jesus declared there for the first time? This video answers these question?
Sources:
History of the Christian Church (Eerdmans, 1985)
Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 1 (Jurgens, 1998)
The Christological Controversy (Norris, 1980)
The Rise of Christianity (Rodney Stark, 1997)
The Church History (Eusebius)
Dialogus Adversus Luciferianos (St. Jerome)
Video links mentioned in the video:
• Is the Bible Reliable?
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Catholic convert from atheism here. This is great. I was also taught this lie. I had no idea so many church documents existed from this time. Reading them helped a lot. Great work!
God bless you brother.
Glad you are here brother
I’m glad you converted to Christianity. But why did you convert to Catholicism? Orthodox is the true church of Jesus. But it was your choice, and I’m happy for you!
@@Rx_Sqx Hello Mattias. I agree that the Orthodox Church is the true Church. I believe the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church are the same universal Church. I am not a theologian. The arguments I read were convincing on both sides. I am Italian. If I was Russian, I would have become Orthodox. As I am Italian I saw it as correct to join the Universal Church native to my roots. My cousin is Orthodox and he has eastern roots. Maybe that sounds like odd reasoning, but after a time you just have to commit and the arguments I can make will never reach the heights of the best theologians on both sides.
@@charlesmhorn I understand what you are saying, brother.
What’s sad is, the church I was raised in, would hear all this and tell us it’s rewritten history and that they knew the real facts. The older I grow, the more I realize it was a cult.
Lol were you mormon as well
@@mustafaehwhat?
My friend, I too was raised within the church and found it was a clone of the Ethiopian original version(as close as possible). Read that version yourself and you will have a 60% more accurate account of our past(80% if you replace the word heaven with giant tree). good luck..
@@MrWizardofozzzChristianity was brought to Ethiopia by Greek missionaries so it's not really original sorry.
@@RJLupin-xl6yf A cult? Oh. Christianity.
I don't know how IP managed to get this covered within only 9 and half minutes!!
Great Job!
Solid Research!
I also went online and multiple articles confirm what he is talking about
IP is an intellectual powerhouse, the inner machinations of his mind are an enigma...
Mauro Leonardo Mondal, no kidding, and still speaking slowly enough to be understood. Can't say I am big fan of the monotonous music in the background though. Just sayin'
I wouldn't call it solid research when he's missing hundreds of years of church history that contradicts the mainstream narrative which he buys into without question. He's trying to shame you because you know, Jehovah's Witnesses and other cults believe this garbage. Classic strawman argument followed by a painfully incomplete hist(e)rical bowel movement. But hey, billions of people can't be wrong! Forget about those crazy conspiracy theorists. Always citing facts to prove their point. What, do they think they are smart because they spent many, many more hours researching a subject I spent 5 minutes on TH-cam learning about? Who are they to contradict what I've been taught through non-original sources as tradition all my life? I wish they would just go with the status quo and stop making waves.
@@abrotherinchrist rofl... this is about the Council of Nicaea. Not church history.
@@abrotherinchrist If you want church history listen to (Prof.) Ryan Reeves
Early Christian lore goes hard
I heard once St. Anthanasius was going down the Nile on a raft. A gang of Arian’s was seeking to kill him, the came up on him on their raft and yelled “have u seen Athanasius?”
He said “yes u are real close.” And just kept going. The arians didn’t know what he looked like.
I can imagine his face afterwards.
@@Coffeehouse_Latte life is crazy. One time
Miguel Pro a Catholic priest was running from the cops in a busy downtown area. He ran around a Corner and saw a pretty girl and asked
“Can u help save my life ?” She said yes how ?
He started kissing her and making out with her
And the cops ran right past them.
@@PInk77W1
Well, I just know that the men of the cloth are probably tempted more than anyone else.
So, I am not too surprised of the horrid actions of the priest.
That's why I look up to God rather than to fellow men.
Because men of God fall more often than anyone. I know by experience and by reading the bible.
Think men like David and Solomon.
Both men are great men of God.
But both men fell harder than anyone else.
Or how about Ravi Zacharias.
He was an incredible man. But also a man with a dark secret.
It just shows that we shouldn't look up to people too much. Because they might just end up falling.
What the bible shows us is just how messed up the world is.
That priest needs help and forgiveness and my condolences to the girl, she need consolation from people who care about her.
God bless you.
I pray that if you're hurting, I pray that God would heal you.
Have a nice day.
@@Coffeehouse_Latte just because men are sinners, doesn’t mean they lose their authority. You have missed the entire Bible if u think thus.
Jesus said to the apostles
“He who hears you hears me
He who rejects you rejects me.”
The apostles were sinners and Jesus knew it.
Ravi Z. had no authority nor claimed any.
A Roman Catholic bishop has all authority Just as an apostle thru apostolic succession that has gone on for 2000yrs. No where in the Bible does it say you can ignore men in authority. When I was in the military my Sgt was a great sinner.
So according to your logic I didn’t have to follow his orders ? Your brand of individualism is
Anti Bible.
@@PInk77W1 I know that they don't lose their authority.
I only say that don't put too much faith to them. But you should still respect them.
But thanks for further enhancing the subject.
Also, I like talking to like minded people like this. So thanks for this short conversation.
We should have more Christian's history classes!
True. This is a very underrated aspect.
The problem with "Christian classes" is that most are boring and want to leave out important history facts in what Christian faith was made up on... Also the freedom of critical thinking is taken away...
@@tancosta1286 then we should have secular classes on the history of Christianity. They would be less biased.
@@mannytps9986 well and into it also Enoch, Pisces Sophia, Book of Mary Magdalena and the history of the Divine femine, to name a few
@@tancosta1286 are these extra-biblical writings?
I've always admired Athanasias, every since I first read "On the Incarnation." Small work, but very packed with answers on Christ's coming and crucifixion. I highly recommend it to all.
it even deals with athiesm. a true master piece.
oh cripes, do the math. WHEN was "saint athanasius" born and how long after the execution of yeshua, was that. you know, by using NUMBERS rather than belief systems?
HOW THEN would athanasius somehow be an expert in an alleged set of events that he did not directly participate in. Did he even bother to state FROM WHOM HE LEARNED THESE THINGS?
@@tracyavent-costanza346 ok so by that account all doctors are not experts in the field of medicine for they didn't exist when breakthroughs in medicine occured
@@yohannesatakelti8286
WRT "...ok so by that account all doctors are not experts in the field of medicine for they didn't exist when breakthroughs in medicine occured..." [sic]
when doctors start claiming divine intervention and direct inspiration into their medical practices, then we can talk about that.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 yes dummy .
Your ability to be accurate & secondly concise in these videos is a gift & blessing!
For me, not exactly accurate.
@@marcialtaguic296 for me, accurate
@@marcialtaguic296 well ur wrong, it's accurate
Jews rejected Jesus, although they shared Jesus' belief in one invisible God.
Christians embraced Jesus, but rejected Jesus' belief in one indivisible God.
Muslims embraced Jesus and embraced Jesus' belief in one indivisible God.
@@DrivenByChrist I believe you are mistaken. Jews and Muslims follow the God of Abraham. Early Christians did too. However, modern Christians believe Jesus is God and worship him instead of the God of Abraham.
We should all be careful not to be mislead by Satan. God is one. He is indivisible. He is not created or born. He has no beginning and no end. He always existed and always will. He can never die and has no need for a partner or offspring.
I sincerely ask God to guide us all to the truth. Peace.
JWs have adopted Arian roots, so his legacy still lives on. Modified of course
Arius, was given voice through eusebius, a relative by marriage of Constantine. Apparently Constantine only cared about the most agreeable version of christianity for the sake of empire. However, it was said that he partook in the debate.
ARE YOU FOLLOWING JESUS CHRIST OR MEN ? Jesus Christ NEVER EVER said he was God or Hinted... DEUTERONOMY 18:15 Explains All Jesus Christ said and did..
@@choicegospelnetwork Jesus was worshipped then he never stopped them from worshipping him
If he wasn't God he wouldn't allow them to do so .... so many bible verses prove that
It takes the holy spirit to open your eyes and allow you to see the truth
Isaiah 9:6
For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6 NLT
bible.com/bible/116/isa.9.6.NLT
@@budendylegentus Didn't people worship kings ? No one who reads the Bible with a clear mind. Do not have a problem to Glory Jesus Christ our Lord , because God made him our Lord and Christ.. So to say that he Annointed himself it's not Biblical. This kinds of extra Biblical reasoning is what Creates Problems with other groups that are unnecessary..
@@budendylegentus ◄ 1 Chronicles 29:20 ►
SUM PIC XRF DEV STU
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Then David said to the whole assembly, "Praise the LORD your God." So they all praised the LORD, the God of their fathers; they bowed down, prostrating themselves before the LORD and the king.
Finally, I have run into a youtube piece that speaks historical truth! I have been studying Church History for over 40 years and I hold the Th.D. degree. There are so many lies and lack of knowledge to be found that it was a breath of fresh air for me to listen to this well learned man. I thank you Sir, for teaching the truth!
+Rev. J. Roger Allen Thanks :)
@@InspiringPhilosophy And the truth shall set you free.
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You can study it for 100 years and still be wrong. 😑
It’s totally one sided and bias
I can feel the wrath of unitarians emerging in the comments 😂
Regardless, excellent video
try a ihesous mythicist (-_-) .....this video confirms Eusebius compiled the alpha & omega babble, even the deathbed conversion of Constantine , who was also baffled by God=Jesus....and these trinity beliefs of desert father eunechs like Origen, and determining the date of easter as highly relevent......HILARIA...when attis transfigurations into Cybele....a yellow frock GALLI.lean...(-_*)lol.
not wrath, rather mild annoyance and amusement.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 nah its wrath lol
@@justinsankar1164 well yeah okay it might be displaced anger, but it's expressed by singing old union songs with words from the care bears.
Kwaku Appiyah wrath you say? I believe it was the Trinitarians who poured out their wrath on non Trinitarians.
We have no shortage of writings preserved from the ante-Nicene fathers, and there is no major doctrinal shift that took place. The Trinity, the divinity of Christ, his passion, death and resurrection, the importance of baptism, the orthodox view of the sacraments, etc all predate the Council.
In the sinia Bible Jesus was never crucified
Nope
@@user-pp9nb1uq9p Which Bible?
@@A_Stereotypical_Heretic ?
@@IIStasisII codex sinaiticus, the oldest known manuscript of the Christian bible
Jehovah Witness still practice Arianism though.
Julio CaesarTM absolutely!
Every bible in existence has been manipulated and corrupted by man and those are facts
Why is it not? How do you know?
This a legit question just for you and me I will not ask you any more questions after this, I am really eager to know how you came to this conclusion, I am not trying to make you mad nor anything, please tell me
please don't tell me your defending these books that cause so much bloodshed. dig into the origins please and tell me what Jesus's original name was and how to say it? you cant. Hebrew has no "J" sound or letter. do you not understand how these books are used to control us, divide us? These religions embody all similar ideas and thought processes. the point is to be a good human we do not need books to tell us this. The books cause debate over nothing. if god exists its a infinite connection and does not need to be worshiped and remembered by mortal men or prophets.
@@pleasetalktome...5868 One question, have you read the Bible? From Genesis to Revelation? This book is not about control, blood or the correct pronounciation of the name Jesus Christ. My goodness, this book is about God who loves all of us and would like to have a personal relationship with you. Yes, he loves you. You are searching, so please ask God with a sincere heart and he will answer. Don't believe the lies, we are living in a fallen world. God bless!
Thank you fur addressing such important issues and taking the time to find good sources for your info.
@stella ukhanna
WRT "...taking the time to find good sources..."
i do not recall the original claims having been made with included references to sources.
Maybe I misunderstand your statement?
References to bible verses, still does not meet the test of GOOD SOURCES, rather just vague poetic statements whose authorship tends to be vague and meaning, debatable.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 that’s the difference of believer and non believer. Also the bible is all writing in parables, poetry and symbolism. This was for many reasons. Also bible interpretation is in multiple levels. Only the serious seekers may find these deeper and symbolic meanings. However, the principle is simple, love your neighbour as thyself, believe Jesus is the son of god and follow his direction to return to god to heaven. That’s between you and your god.
@@stellau3028
WRT "love your neighbour as thyself...
maybe you meant love THY neighbor as thyself" or just use modern pronouns.
I do not have a huge issue with the idea, but it was NOT universally followed among his followers nor very well at all by his successors as holy roman empire history will note. So I have to doubt the notion of miraculous inspriation if the supposed "believers" did not even do it.
WRT
"...believe Jesus is the son of god..."
first of all, the prophet's name was not and is not "jeezus" which is a mashup of languages and sounds not native to his culture nor languages. Most likely he was known as "yeshua" or something akin to that, and such a name was not at all uncommon and in hebrew script would have been indistinguishable from "joshua" or "isaiah".
Second "son of" is a vague usage and often distinguished people with similar names, but in NO WAY indicated a unique relationship, let alone direct lineage from yahweh.
Third, judaic culture (then as now) regards yahweh as UN-Knowable. To even imply intimate relationship with him, would amount to blasphemy. Even if he believed that (which I do not think he remotely did) no way would he say it to an audience of jews. Not because they would stone him to death (which they might) but rather that they would simply stop listening to his message. He was not an idiot. He knew he had something to say to them, which every prophet presumed. neither were prophets rare in that period but they did have to prove themselves. Very likely, as with isaiah, he eventually made some mistakes and ended up dead because of that, or just because he was a credible to the power of the temple priest class.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 I understand that and completely agree with you. Just because Jesus showed the way doesn’t mean every one will follow it. Religion has been manipulated and mixed in with politics as a means of control however what you do and what you follow is up to you. Each person is a sovereign being and has to answer for their own actions. Just because of the bad apples I will not loose the truth.
@@stellau3028
he didn't know the way. he was portrayed as having said that everything that was attributed to him, really came from "the father" but I'm not even sold that this portrayal is actually accurate.
Anyone with his wisdom and intelligence, would have been keenly aware of their own limitations and inherent ironies of the human condition.
It was the proto-niceans who attempted to portray him as "deity" and I am quite sure that were he to learn of that portrayal he would be horrified. It is quite contrary to the basic tenets of Judaism that he obviously regarded as central to his practice of faith.
You said Arianism died out. Unfortunately something like it is alive in Jehovah's Witness beliefs
Editors (Philosophy Now) Unfotunately for you, not for me. I happen to think it is all just useless mental masturbation, the only thing that matters is doing what Jesus ordered. Yes, a lord gives orders to be obeyed, and faith without good works cannot save. All the rest means nothing, or is just an excuse to follow men's traditions.
@@tilesetter1953 Just because you think it, does not make it so!
@@tilesetter1953 Whether Jesus was God or not isn't important?? What?
The Unitarians are basically Arians
Let me start by saying I come from a place of love! The entire New Testament is based on faith for salvation! Good works is a product of righteous belief. No where in the New Testament does it say that works is what saves. Yeshua constantly said that a person’s faith is what healed them, it’s a grace based doctrine. Grace means UNDESERVED forgiveness. Undeserved means there is nothing we can DO (works) to change our salvation but to believe thatYeshua is who He says He is!! Now, works is a part of following Yeshua but with out faith , works doesn’t do anything for salvation. Works with out faith=useless, faith without works , you are still saved. Please KNOW YOUR BIBLE EVERYONE! Learn the truth and don’t let false doctrine to deceive . And it’s all in Yeshua’s name Amen!!
As a former Mormon of 37 years turned born again I am happy to see this video and proof that the Nicea council was not evil men. I will be showing this to some Mormons who are taught Jesus was a created being. Arianism.
This won’t be a popular opinion, but I don’t think the Almighty would have pitched you into hell for being Mormon. I could be wrong, but there’s worse things you could be.
@@CobaltBlueMask any deception is bondage. Jesus set me free and no I don't think I would go to hell but because I am free in Jesus I can help others be freed from this false religion as well.
you're one step ahead of the true religion. i hope search for the history of the Catholic church.
A video about some men sitting down and voting on Jesus being God does not make him God. It just means a group of men sat down and talked about it.
This video is not proof! It is not even evidence.. IP is merely referencing conclusions drawn by others based on evidence..
I don't disagree with a word in the video, however it should be taken for what it is.. And it is pieces of written history compiled to make a point, not unlike the Bible.
[[[[[To avoid confusion I'd like to point out that I'm neither claiming the word of the Bible to be true or false]]]]]
I essentially wrote a thesis based on this council and what I found in the books agrees entirely with IP. I am not sure how he does his research but it certainly is of high quality.
Thanks, I do my research very carefully ;)
let me guess...your degree is from a "christian" school, where "IP" wouldn't likely be challenged since everyone ELSE's degrees are based on the same ideology.
that claim just indicates the low quality of the "books" that you apparently chose to read.
I'm soon to write a paper on this subject, what are some specific sources you recommend?
Tracy, Tracy, Tracy.....You poor misguided soul. Your comments twist the truth so badly that your lack of actual knowledge and/or sources of information is glaringly obvious. It’s either that or your hatred for Christianity has completely overtaken you. Which is it?
Fine, except that you used an icon of the great defender of Orthodoxy, Bishop St Spiridon of Trimithos, to represent Arius, who was not a bishop, but a presbyter, and would not have been wearing the bishop's vestments you show. You might also note that Arianism remained strong in the Arabian penensula and had a great effect in the foundation of Islam. It is the Arian view of Christ that was incorporated into the Quaran.
"It is the Arian view of Christ that was incorporated into the Quaran."
Very interesting. Thx
Bill Asbury yes the Quran is christian heresy
In addition it was Arians who sacked Rome and arianism was the primary Christianity among the Goths.
Lazar Puhalo ~ Just WOW! That is an impressive amount of facts that are wrong to get in a single paragraph of text. Bishop St Spiridon of Trimithos was a Bishop. Arianism was European and was never "strong" in Arabia. Arian has nothing to do with Islam but I am very impressed with your ability to *appropriate hate and tribalism*! You would make Donald Trump proud.
kat bleu ~ I NOT A LEFTY, I AM RIGHT HANDED!!! I am also not a democrat or liberal, so f*ck you for assuming that I am am. It's called an analogy you dim witted uneducated troll and yes, I don't care whether I am nice to a troll who doesn't know history. Respect is earned and you haven't earned it - by making stupid assumptions you definitely haven't earned it.
Thanks for the info. I've only just started to become interested in church history but its through the lens of Eastern Orthodoxy. It's great to get outside the bias, cheers.
Great
Congratulations🙏🏼 I to am going to Orthodox
The image you use for Arius is the Anti-Arian bishop Spiridon, a humble farmer from Crete who is said to have stunned people by arguing better than many classically trained and properly literate Arian theologians and Bishops. Other than that, nice video.
Nice seems like a cool dud
I have a very important question: where in the New Testament did Jesus say "Go unto the people and preach the good news that I have shared with you, and if you meet with people who do not heed the words that you have to share with them, I want you to burn them at the stake, kill them all, yeah, even the children I say unto you, everyone that disagrees with your teaching shall be tortured even until death. Go, therefore, and do this in My Name"
Someone help me because I can't seem to find that passage anywhere.
But he must have said that, because 1500 years of torture and killing did happen at the hands of the One True Faith.
They couldn't have gotten it so wrong, could they?
Excellent video! Content like this is another reason why I love the internet. Thank you and Yah bless.
As an atheist who fully ate up this belief, I sincerely thank you for reforming my view on history! I will keep learning to better myself
He’s bias
@@seearyari blah blah blah
So Constantine's sister was a Arian, headed with him and Constantine was baptized as an Arian, and his two successors were also Arians, yet the Emperor's wishes were twisted after his death?
And then Catholics went on to burn any that opposed them?
Then the Spanish Inquisition? Then burn and torture anyone who read the Bible in any language other than Latin, because they wanted to maintain their hold on power? And they told people, for hundreds of years that if you gave money to the church your dead relatives would have a better afterlife, and you yourself could buy yourself a good seat in heaven?
Oh yeah, Jesus would have been really happy if he had known all that was coming.
oh, in the video at 2:33 a correction: "...constantine moved to settle it..." [meaning the conflicts in ideology and teaching]. No, constantine just saw it in his interests to STANDARDIZE the doctrine (and the bishops saw it the same way, at least among the MAJORITY opinions). This was especially convenient to constantine, who wished to consolidate his power and position (as the new emperor of the eastern empire) and he wanted the bishops to have a reason to be loyal to him. So he pretty much gave THEM free rein to determine "right" dogma. Constantine himself did not really participate directly in those debates/discussions/fights but rather positioned himself as the magnanimous peace-maker, and therefore the umbrella authority OVER the bishops.
Constantine was a military general and a consummate politician (and raised that way) and NOT a theologian. He was however, as the other emperors before him, something of an opportunistic populist, hence his interest in relaxing overt suppression of "christian" practices. Other roman emperors before him, had also built vast public buildings, mostly to increase their popularity, and some of them even handed out money. Obviously they knew that "appearing popular" could benefit them somehow. Why would Constantine be any different?
My reglion rights
@@kendrakole4054 Other people have just as much right as you to their religion - or to reject religion altogether.
@@quovadis7119 agreed, but the history of such practices, does not generally indicate a tradition of respect for "the other"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence
There is no historical evidence that Constantine altered the Bible!
In 325, Constantine called the Council of Nicea, which was the first general conference of the Christian church. Constantine had virtually nothing to do with the forming of the canon and it was not even discussed at Nicea. Instead, the council that formed decisions about the canon took place in 397 in Cathage. This was 60 years after Constantine’s death.
It is important to note that 21 books were acknowledged by Christians long before Constantine. In AD 330, Constantine did finance the copying of 50 Christian Scriptures. However, this was not a new Bible, and he did not omit any of the already accepted books.
Great work Mike. I was arguing the other day with a guy about Christianity being an invention of Constantine... seems like so many are confused. Thank you for spreading truth.
Invention of the people, sadly. Jesus was real and his spoken word is very important, but too many gospels with conflicting evidence as ruin the truth and entities like the Vatican hide and distort the stories of a great man. Too many pagan holidays are praised and fallacies with Prophet stories of bad behavior. Politics ruined the religion and society allowed it to run rampant. Shame shame Shame allow education to be held by the power of a selected few which misguided the people for centuries
Never waste your time arguing religion 😁
Constantine historically was a pagan until just before he died. It is well-known that he was still a pagan during the time of the Nicene Creed. Whilst it is correct that the Nicene Creed focused mostly on the issue of the divinity of Christ, by that time much of Roman Christianity had been greatly influenced by paganist beliefs; beliefs that Constantine himself adhered to and supported, including the pagan-supported belief of the trinity.
The Nicene Creed merely formalised the belief in the trinity that existed amongst most pagan converts. Their belief in the divinity of Christ made God more accessible to them as all their pagan gods were human-like. The truth is that Jesus never claimed to be divine.
@@asimpleuser no he wasn't pagan. He became a Christian. Eusebius records this. I rather trust in book written by a historian of that time. This modern theory tries to undermine Christianity. The agenda wants to end Christianity. So modern historians try to rewrite history. Don't fall into the scheme. These scholars today attempt to falsify Eusebius, it's all apart of the agenda. You can call it a conspiracy but it's the truth.
That's why they have to say on his death bed he converted. Because they know he was Christian. It's so stupid that Constantine would advance Christianity and then convert when he's about to die. This is false history. For years upon years people knew Constantine was a Christian. It's only today after the enlightenment the elites wanna rewrite history. The devil is a liar. Don't be deceived.
@@asimpleuserthe truth is…. He did. Multiple times. Jesus is God.
All praises due to Jesus Christ
William Burns blah blah myth
No mention of jolly ol st nick punching arias in the face, lol
Based St Nicholas
The slap that was heard throughout Christendom!
Well done!
Someone who does their homework and then presents it factually (and upbeat) is a match for hundreds of "wive's tales" and cunningly devised fables. The SAD part is: the more energy people put into supporting a theory that was worn out, tired and concocted out of boneheadedness in the beginning, the more weak ones they drag down with them. When the blind lead the blind they shall BOTH fall into a deep ditch.
BTW, the "Creator of the Universe" can do anything He wants to! Yepur! Dig it! "... for with God NOTHING shall be impossible... " [my emphasis] (duh) so anyone who says "He can't" is trying to limit God, which they CANNOT. It is really their CONCEPT of God that is, sadly, limited, but due to the same limitation, they can't see that either.
I may not pray like Peter;
I may not preach like Paul,
But I can say, "He died for me! "
amen brother
Amen 🙏
Perfectly said
God cannot lie. God cannot be tempted with evil. It is not trying to limit God, it is acknowledging the Biblical truth written about Him that is profitable for doctrine. The Biblical concept of God that Jesus declared is true-John 1:18, Mark 12:28-34, Matthew 23:9/John 8:40,54-55. Consider Jesus’ prayers and his personal perspective because it is true- John 17, John 14:9-12/John 20:28, John 20:17/Eph1🙏
@@Jesavae
Even though we say "He cannot lie. " and it's true enough, there WAS, on at least one occasion, a counsel being held in heaven, and the spirits and helpers were talking it over with the Lord about how they were going to bring about the demise of a certain king. (1 Kings 22 and 2 Chronicles 18:) So one of 'em says, "I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of ALL his prophets." Funny thing about that story... two funny things, actually:
1) the Lord seemed to LIKE the idea, so He said, "OK, You have the winning idea; you seem like the man [spirit] for the job. " (or words to that effect)
And 2)... as you'll see later, even though the Lord didn't DO the actual lying, He certainly seems to approve of certain heads of state being lied to and going after delusion ("strong delusion") in order to meet their demise (but WE don't know anybody like THAT, today, do we? ) And just as the king WILLINGLY chose NOT to listen to the final warning of the true prophet, so, today, in our wonderful "democratic world" people CHOOSE their leaders, ignoring clear, definite voices of truth in favor, RATHER, of skewed and even obvious disinformation, generated by the corporate media and press in addition to clearly lying govt. officials.
In ANY case, the thing that surprised me is that really ALL the prophets told him a lie... the first time: the 400 false prophets AND God's true prophet (Michaiah). Funny thing is, the king - wicked as he was - didn't even BELIEVE the true prophet when he lied. "He even said, "Oh THIS one NEVER says anything good about me. "
So he asked him AGAIN, and THEN he gets the full story: BOTH BARRELS! But he STILL goes and does the idiotic thing; he CHOOSES his own demise. How like the leaders of today (and their constituents) who choose RATHER feel good slogans than reason.
We have "democracy" but we are just as adversely affected by the bad decisions of those in power (even the ones we DIDN'T vote for) as people living under a wicked, evil king.
Does God "lie"? (That's what we were talking about.)... Well, no, I don't find any evidence for that, not exactly, but He CERTAINLY is capable of letting people opt for (THEY choose! ) "strong delusion" if they choose NOT to believe the truth. (2 Thesselonians 2:10 - 12) and "willingly ignorant" (2 Peter 3:5) It's like they get so USED to doing evil stuff, they (as did this king, and many of today's leaders) just think, "Oh, THIS is just something ELSE I'll get away with"... till they don't!
And who suffers? Usually, everybody, and sometimes (as in this Bible "story" [it's HISTORY! ] ) other nations as well, are dragged down with them.
@@JesavaeWhat do you mean, "and God can't be tempted by evil?"
In the Christian view, GOD CREATED EVIL!
GOD CREATED EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE!
Including temptation, evil, satan, and human free will. Whatever has, is, and will happen.. God created all of it. So you can't separate God from anything.
I’ve found most arguments from skeptics on the validity of scripture lacks depth and folds under questioning.
hardly. when you make an assertion, the onus is upon YOU to substantiate it, not upon the rest of the world to disprove you. Nor must the rest of the world automatically accept your 'evidence' especially if it begs the question, as "quoting scripture" would do in the case of bible apologetics.
@Truth teller
just because constantine played both sides against the middle (divide-and-conquer is the oldest trick in the book) DOES NOT establish him as "An Angel". He was, prior to becoming the defacto emperor, a field general. I suspect he was familiar with tactics of battle as well as political maneuvers.
He was not an idiot, but that does not mean I would automatically trust him not to stick a knife in me while my back was turned, if he regarded me as a threat to his power or position or image.
@Truth teller so WHAT exactly is so wrong about "pagan"? By christian standards, jews are pagan and so were romans. yet yeshua was the former and saul of tarsus and "Luke" the latter. None were christians. Christianity had not been invented yet.
@Truth teller Constantine most likely only "Converted" to Christianity for political reasons anyway due to the division of Rome cause by the ever growing christian populous, I doubt he actually had any encounter with the risen Lord, but I could be wrong.
@@HelloProTip Never been a fan of mystical or gnostic interpretations of scripture, it never really works when you understand the historical, immediate and extended literary context of what the bible is trying to communicate.
Over all a decent video. I find it interesting that you talk about the Arianism as though it was not Christianity at all. When they only differed from the Catholics in on single point of doctrine. It's like a Methodist telling a Catholic that they are not Christian because they don't understand the doctrine of Grace. The historical truth is that after centuries of severe persecution the church was severely fractured and there were many within the church trying to establish themselves as the new religious authority for the order. You didn't talk about how heated the council became. Like how St. Nicholas strikes Arius over the head during their debate. Does not sound like a gospel of love or peace. Nor does it sound like they were interested in any Devine direction for how to lead the church. You also casually mentioned that the Arian faith just died out. Well it was a literal dying when their Catholic brothers ordered them to convert or die.
You are so right on every point. 👍
You are correct. What happened essentially was, like always, the religious dogmatic bullies who were in the majority, won the battle. Any one who disagreed on their doctrine was called a heretic.
The divinity of Christ is fundamental to the essence of Christianity. A Christianity that denies Jesus' divinity or being co-eternal with the Father simply isn't Chrstianity. It's not a smal little doctrinal hiccup.
You don’t believe Jesus Christ is God your aren’t Christian.
There is fundamental Christian doctrines.
I guess I see your point. I can totally see Christ saying wipe them all out because they just aren't getting it. Sarcasm added.
The best book that I can recommend to the viewers of your video who want to get a deeper understanding of the issues surrounding the Council of Nicaea and the other great ecumenical councils is The Jesus Wars by Philip Jenkins. It's a great read!
I also recommend "FOXES BOOK OF MARTYRS" that gives good reason why the pentecostal church seemed to only have first started in the early twentieth century instead of in Acts ch.2. After constant persecution and having their writings destroyed it is no wonder some think it appeared so late in history.
If someone had never read a Bible and was given one to read they would inevitably come to the conclusion that the Christian church began in Acts ch.2.
@@robertnieten7259 Dear Robert: Obviously, you are of the Pentecostal persuasion - and that is why you think that Pentecostalism is actually the oldest branch of Christianity, due to the Day of Pentecost narrative in Chapter Two of the Book of Acts. But just to give you some extra food for thought here, if you carefully read Peter's speech to the multitudes on the Day of Pentecost, Peter calls Jesus a MAN who God has favored by raising him up in his resurrection - but in Peter's words, Jesus is just a MAN. I believe that Luke has reported that accurately, to his credit. The earliest Christians, the original followers of Jesus, regarded their master / rabbi as a great prophet and spiritual teacher, and probably also as the Messiah, but they did not see him as being divine - that concept evolved into its final form at the Council of Nicaea, although the first gospel writer to fully declare a high Christology was John the evangelist in his gospel. In Judaism, the Messiah is divinely anointed, as were the kings of Israel, but not divine himself.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:18 📖 The Council of Nicaea aimed to settle disputes about the nature of Christ and affirm the divinity of Christ; it did not create a new version of Christianity.
01:29 📜 Constantine did not make Christianity the official religion but legalized it, allowing its practice.
02:12 🏛️ The council was called to deal with the theological disputes between Orthodox Christians and Arians, not various heretical groups.
04:46 🙏 Constantine presided over the council to achieve unity and settlement, not to enforce a specific theological view.
05:40 🕊️ The Nicene Creed was formed to condemn Arianism and confirm Orthodox beliefs; the council did not decide on the biblical canon or the use of the word "Trinity."
07:45 🛡️ The Aryans gained political power, but internal fighting led to their downfall, and Christianity continued to grow. The Council of Nicaea did not create Christianity or erase competing sects.
"Aryans"
I see what you did there 😂
Thanks!
Thanks man screenshoted this
@@sincostan9798 what’s the connection between Arianism and Aryans? Germanic tribes are said to be descendants of Aryans and had organ beliefs that formed the foundation of Zoroastrianism in Iran (aryan) and Hinduism in India. So it interests me that these Arians converted the Germanic tribes (aryans) and in doing so incorporated loads of their pegan beliefs into Christianity (Easter, Christmas etc). Is there some connections I’m missing or is it just a big coincidence?
This is a great summary. Tragically, very few people today actually know this true history.
Dear Sir
May God richly bless you for your ministry. I am totally blew away over your awesome scholarly research.
I'll probably watch a couple of hours of your channel today.
Also your channel will be shared with all of my friends and family.
Be encouraged to continue you're doing something great.
Be blessed.
Scholarly would imply he used historical text and data from all areas of history pertaining to the subject matter. He omitted anything that did not come from the church or its constituents, he only used propaganda. Using propaganda to back your opinion is NOT scholarly. It's amazing that this video has actually proven that Christianity was formed by influence through church (catholic) and state (roman). What this video purposefully chose not to include was the history of Yeshua and his cousin John. Is it not obvious that a religion that is based off a man; whose fame they highjacked, name they changed and teachings they omitted, was created for some other reasons than that which it's propaganda says??? I'm thankful that God has given us regained access to texts, history and KNOWLEDGE that opens us up to real meaning of life, our existence and the true teachi gs of Yeshua that the orthodox church has hidden from us for nearly 2k years.
Yapping and proved nothing@@CasuallyAuthentic
I can’t believe how much information you absolutely crushed in nine minutes that was so incredibly helpful I’m definitely gonna listen to it again and again. One suggestion, I would lower the volume of your music track in the background sometimes it got in the way. Even though I love the beat per minute pace it definitely added a sense of intensity for me personally..
Great content. Great history. Great explanation. I hope many more people see this video. Thank you.
8:48 I wouldn’t say Arianism died out since Unitarians and JWs exist.
It's kind of like if Lutheranism died and a denomination x formed with similar doctrine. Arians did die out, but their theology remains in JW
Aren't unitarians more modalist though?
@@daguroswaldson257 True.
(But by the way, all modalists are unitarians, but not all unitarians are modalists.)
Zechariah 4:5-6 KJV
Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. [6] Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, *Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.*
Amen!!
While that has been made into a beautiful song, it carries no more credibility than the claim that the Angel Moroni talked to Joseph Smith while no one was looking.
You start off with giving a wrong perspecive, Diocletian wasn't the worst persecutor of Christians, but as Galerius (actually worst persecutor) published the edict on his deathbed, he couldn't be blamed for things he did in the christitan historiography. Be sure that this way of writing history may warp your perspective in a way you think other people's is
Your channel is such a big help. Stomping on the lies. God bless you
Have you heard other points of view from actual historians? (BTW, the producer of this video is not a historian). Historians do not lie (typically). They try to recreate the most plausible narrative of past events. The narrative: "The Virgin gave birth to a baby how was also 100% god, named Emanuel (though no one ever called him that), who walked on water, did a lot of other magic deeds and gave a lot of sermons written down perfectly word-for-word decades later by his [anonymous] disciples. Their writings, along with another dozens of others, were gathered together over the next 300 years by the hand of God, who inspired some really corrupt puppets of Constantine to choose exactly the ones God wanted to be preserved in His perfect word," is deemed less than plausible by most honest historians. Not because they are liars, but because it sounds exactly like mythology and absolutely not like history.
Which god exactly?
@@EzerEben
and apparently legends are more credible if they are complicated, convoluted, and a factual result of a political process.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 Could you clarify what you mean by that?
@@gzoro8645
humans seem attracted to belief-systems that are complicated. I suspect that implied complexity SUGGESTS something akin to actual reality. But that is just a theory that relates to general appeal.
If people are seeking some form of "refuge", if you give them a lot of details to "study" it helps them to redirect their emotional attention away from their own baggage and therefore offers them sort of a mental-break from whatever is otherwise eating them.
And of course if you have nothing else really going on in your life, minding someone else's business is sort of legendary in its popular attraction, for those who do not want to self examine.
Jesus Christ is Lord ✝️ The Resurrection & The Life 🕊
Jesus is messenger of god "allah"
Allah dont have children
@@zakaria__007 how do you know?
Zakaria BenSadouk Do you even know the history of Islam??- do u know Muhammad was suicidal??
In Hadith, first revelation Mohammad reported “the angel caught me forcefully and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore.” Each time the angel asked him to recite, the angel “pressed” him so hard that he could not bear the pressure.
After his encounters with the angel, he returned to his wife terrified, his ‘heart beating severely.” After this the angel did not come back for a while and the “divine inspiration paused.”
- A cross reference to another Hadith in Sahih Bukhari that elaborated even further 9.111 - it said that when he saw Gabriel, his “neck muscles twitch in terror,” and when the angel had gone for a while, Muhammad became so depressed “that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, the angel would appear before him and say “O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah’s Apostle in truth.” Whereupon his heart would become quiet and he would calm down.”
- Muhammad contemplated suicide
-the quran stated men can take 4 wives only, but your prophet had 7 wives at one point. God is not inconsistent.
-muhammad married a 6yr old girl & slept with her when she was 9 & he was 52. He was a pedophile
- God would not take him for a prophet
*We Biblical Unitarians esteem Jesus as in Revelation **5:13**. Read John 17:3 where Jesus proclaims The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. John **4:23** Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.*
I am so grateful that you made this video! My husband and I came out of Mormonism and we are always trying to explain all this when discussing with our Mormon Friends and Family. What a blessing to just be able to share this now! You did an excellent job with this video!!!
Brings me joy you got out of Mormonism, may God bless you and strengthen you through this time. I pray for your health, healing, financials, and future endeavors! And Jesus loves you!
Wow. 8000 comments... Cool video. You're absolutely right. I'm a Muslim but am interested in all faiths. Read quite a bit on the council of nicea...
@Henok Hailu Christianity is for sure. Pagan idolatry masquerading as monotheism....
@@erichusayn so if paganism drastically predated christianity, WHICH ones are "masquerading" as which, and upon what authority would you claim to know this?
@Henok Hailu it does seem fairly obvious that christianity got a lot of its legends from judaism, judaism got a lot of legends from babylonian and egyptian captivity, and those cultures probably got them from mesopotamia. such as virgin-birth and "the flood" and being born again and life-after-death and all of that stuff. I have no idea whether any of it is "true" but one thing is for certain: it isn't uniquely christian, not by a long shot.
Check out the book - the Great Controversy by the Seventh-day Advenstist church, it has everything in it you need to know for the past and the end of the world, Papal and USA domination, visit the church and get it free
@@DavidKing-qd3sp one thing my economics research has pretty much told me: when something is "free" it is worth about as much as what you paid for it.
Thats how trinity started
300 years after Jesus peace be upon him
Pure ignorance there's tons of church fathers talking about the Trinity way before the council took place
my question is, why would the creator of the universe be involved in the management of this theological mess of men attempting to interpret who GOD is?
I find it funny how every skeptic, atheist and conspiracy believers are here, desperately trying to ignore all the historical accountability and evidence that this gentleman gave.
You realize just because you say something and use a slide show it’s not “evidence” right?
@@acogjefe4769 You also realize that a claim without the evidence, isn't a good Objection. Right?
@@Christ_Inspiring you realize you're the one making the claim.
@@meowmix1569 You also realize that even when I give out the historical evidence, such as Josephine, Lucian, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger. You'll still reject them IF they benefit you. Don't play high and mighty when asking question and than reject them when it backfires.
@@acogjefe4769what is your objection?
A wonderful delve into the history of christian apologetics!
The only thing is he left out the original Christians the ebionites followers of the way and to do this it's not teaching the whole truth sholom b'nai or do the research for yourself Jesus was an essene vegetarian hemo Baptist, follower of all the Jewish Torah except the sacrificial system which they called false of the line pins of the scribes they hated Paul he was not considered and an apostle he was considered an apostate from the law and all you have to do is Google ebionites followers of the way, James the just..
@@JohnSmith-pr8qj Google: 194 Bible contradictions and Google: why Moses did not write the Torah.
@@Epiphany-i the documentary hypothesis has been ran through algorithms now and they're saying that the documentary hypothesis it's actually a documentary fact you have the J Source the E Source the P source and the D source these were redacted we're first redacted from the J source and the E Source which is the yahwistic source and the Elohim source one was from the northern kingdom and one was from the southern Kingdom and they both wanted the copy that one copied the the first Torah what was their yahwistic Torah but instead of having God's name they put El Shaddai these two were redacted into one source then about four hundred years later Josiah at the Priestly source which is the P source Leviticus source then later added by Baruch who became Jeremiah's scribe added the Deuteronomy Source the D source these two were redacted later around the Maccabee Revolution then you had to 2 splitter sets of Judaism you had the Pharisees and the Sadducee then the essenes which was the opposition Pharisees which became the first Christians Messianic
@Darren I'm sorry to tell you brother no matter how much cognitive dissidents you have don't change the facts you can believe something that is not true but the facts so different so fax or your belief show me some facts you can't just like you can't show me one place in the Bible where it's okay to change the Sabbath today you can't. But I can show you some facts that Jesus was an essene Ebonite there's many facts to show that but your cognitive dissonance keeps you from the truth truth is truth no matter how you want to cover it up it's still truth so you need to do more research before you speak because it really makes you sound like you don't know nothing. All the scholars would laugh at you most of them are my friends I'm in a think tank with them Robert Eiseman Richard Elliott Friedman Jackson Snyder and many more. As much as they like to cover it up it cannot be covered up no more you need to do more research buddy all the scholars would laugh at you in the historians where is your proof I have proof you have none....
@Darren And you still are..Sanctimonious only now you have a Christian bias. Wrong again...
"Constantine did not make Christianity the official religion of Rome, He simply commanded official tolerance of Christianity "
"380 AD when Christianity was left as the only LEGAL religion"
That's funny, when all all else are illegal, while Christianity was the only one left "legal", and you say Christianity wasn't made the official religion of Rome. It may not be true that it was done by Constantine himself, but it was accomplished nonetheless - legally, officially, forecfully, whatever.
Without that, your life wouldn't be so easy now...providing you 'live in the west'
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"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away". Matthew 24:35
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makes sense. Most rulers are trying to hold the kingdom together, and when it comes to religious division, they better bring the Tylenol cause there's gonna be a massive migraine.
I kept hearing this myth everywhere. DIDnt dawn on me christianity was already established
You can study the Bible carefully, and judge for yourself if the Arian view is correct or not. If you have the time to do this, we can exchange thoughts and conclusions if you want. My email: brixclaire@protonmail.com . Thanks.
I don't know if you still read your comments from something you posted so long ago but I hope so. Thank you and God bless you! While I have been a believer for a long time I certainly bought into all that stuff about the orthodoxy stamping out the Gnostics so this blew my mind. Of course, you also hear that immediately persecutions began of all non-believers in Orthodoxy and so the idea you get is that it was all so political.
But contemplating all these issues in my heart for a long time and after reading some of the Gnostic Gospels (and finding especially the Gospel of Thomas quite compelling) I began to really understand the wisdom of the choices for inclusion. I do feel like God's loving hand was in that council because the orthodox message indeed turns out to be quite different, with profound implications for the believer.
For me, through the eyes of four different Gospel interpreters the essence of the Word made flesh - Jesus - comes shining through like a beacon. In it is a very different message from the gnostic "know thyself". It is rather the recipe for the abundant life of the Spirit that all born again believers have glimpsed and decided to grab hold of. The Shepherd's voice calls.
We live in a world which celebrates self knowledge and awareness. Christians are people who've examined ourselves and found us lacking. (Kinda tedious actually.) So we seek to decrease so He can increase in us. Very different message indeed.
Im an atheist but im always intrigued on every religion origins and history its always fascinating how these intelligent people in history establish these strong religions in the modern day
Holy shit! The fact that you had to hold an "official" council to decide on the doctrine of the followers of Jesus, just smacks of Roman imperial rule and power. Jesus represents none of this in the gospel accounts, and nor does Paul represent Christ as the head of such a council or with the power of a Pope. Its bullshit pure and simple. Jesus had nothing whatsoever to do with the church past his own life and death. The followers took over from the time Jesus died.
So pentecost and the promise of pentecost never happened.
And you say know more about Truth about Jesus than the apostles did when we know the gospels are reliable.
You were really guided by your emotions in this comment.
Duude! You're amazing!
In this short video you've articulated the facts which most lengthy lectures fail to even mention. This is probably the best explanation of Constantines role in the council that I have ever seen.
WOOOW! You packed a lot of facts into mine minutes! Thanks for keeping it real!
It is clear in scripture that Jesus predates the creation of the universe, and that he has authority over all creation.
Sir, that constitutes an Amen 🙏
This channel is a such a blessing
St Nicholas of Myrna "I'm come to Nicea to give presents to kids and bitch-slap heretics...and I'm fresh out of presents!"
Are you're a Christian? Asking because you have South-park pic...
@@luka243 the SP make a character site I used made it easy to create a icon-- if you enlarge it you'll see it wearing a gold cross in addition to holding a saber.
@@robertlehnert4148 how interesting
@@luka243 why?
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No matter how the history stated that Ethiopia is the only country to retain the perfect and precise doctrine of Orthodox church with a long historical facts, come and inspect every aspect of the truth behind it you will get exact answers for all matters regarding the theology
Arianism is dead? It's alive here in the Philippines in the presence of the Iglesia ni Cristo of Mr. Felix Manalo (1914)
INC is cult
@Deyan Dachev
when someone dies a violent death for some religious cause (or even a political one for that matter) it does not matter whether that underlying ideology is "true" or not.
Especially as according to the "standards" of rivaling false-prophets who largely seek to serve their own ascendancy.
The ideological survivors of the lost leader do have a reasonable claim to consider such a figure to have been martyred.
@@jabneeldesign1311 Same with anti trinitarian "Christians"
It isn't that the significance of Nicea is its specific influence on matters of doctrine, it is that Constantine changed a religion for the poor into a political ploy to serve the interests of the empire.
Rebel Czech Constantine did just as my man said as a political ploy to benefit the empire I encourage you to continue to research.
I cannot disagree with that statement. However, the fact remains that he didn't influence Christianity. He was actually hoping the Arians would win out. Constantine just let the Christians do what they want, which was a very good political move too.
Ray~~I do LOVE you!
WHAT YOU HAVE SAID WAS EXACTLY THE POINT OF THIS "Church" COUNCIL:
The RulerS (men in high places who are gods unto themselves) thought:
How can we capitalize on this phenomenon called Christianity?
BUT
The RULER (who is Satan, ruler of this world and prince of the power of the air) thought:
I WILL kill the baby (theChrist+/Christianity).
[Genesis 3.15]
I WILL settle for a perversion of God's will.
[Genesis 3.4-5 ]
I will! I will! I will!
[Isaiah 14.12 ]
The Mark of the Beast:
My WILL, My WILL, My WILL!
constantine was nothing if not a consummate politician.
@bmk777k Because Paul nor Peter ever existed either.
What makes you feel your information is accurate? We are so far removed from when this actually happened until we will never know what actually happened
Urban Soul Chef yes we will. Jesus is God in the flesh. Accept it.
What makes you think yours is anymore correct? That's why IP backs it up with scholarly sources to demonstrate proof of evidence.
Oh snap, I guess we can never know what REALLY happened about pretty much anything before, let's say, the 19th century? Give or take.
宇宙不思議な ?
@宇宙不思議な What? 100% man and 100% God. The incredible nature of the relationship is that Jesus was the one man who DIDN'T make mistakes. That isn't compelling if he isn't human. Do you even know the Gospel?
Hey IP. There’s been a group of youtubers preaching unitarianism and openly laughing at the idea that people call them heretics while going live in their talks. And one of them, I think you’ve met before in your debates. He’s the flat earther dude. Anyway, he is going rampant in his channel as well as their group of youtubers denying Jesus’ divinity. I think you should debate him, because he claims to be christian but denies Jesus is God. Just sayin, love ya bro!
Our witness is to what God has done in our life.
Other arguments are all dead ends
It's our testimony that is the truth about god. That's all we can say for sure. Godbless
This leaves things to be terribly subjective
@Dominique Hipolito
Yes it does, but God's Spirit works through his people. On the last day he will separate the weeds from the wheat. Untill then we must be careful who we listen to, pride, selfishness and error abound.
@@peregrinegrace8570 Which is why the church is the pillar and foundation of the truth, brother. Not as a matter of pride, understand, but as a matter of responsibility. God has no desire for people to be confused about Him, and so we, in humility, listen to the church He Himself established.
@Dominique Hipolito
Scripture says the Holy Spirit is truth , and Jesus is Truth and the Words of Scripture are truth, but that men are not to be followed .
In revelation Jesus threatens to take away the Spirit from churches that sin. And He does just that . Our trust is in Him Alone.
@@peregrinegrace8570 Actually Scripture itself says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15), and that we are to devote ourselves to the teachings of the Apostles (Acts 2:42), whom Christ gave the authority to bind and loose (Matthew 18:18-20), and that we know Christ through them (Acts 15:7) and their successors (Act 1:12-26). This is because the New Testament was not decided on until long after the Church was already established.
You are partially right that we should not follow men, but *specific* men, namely men who do not have the authority that was passed down from the Apostles by Christ. Every teaching and church that came after the Catholic Church can be traced to after the Reformation, which means they are man-made. If you tell me which denomination you come from, it is possible to trace it back to a man and to a time not too long ago, and to the cultural movement from which it stems.
And if you are non-denominational, that movement can be traced to the 18th century, not 33AD; by Stone and Campbell, not by Christ.
I'd call myself a Christian, but I do follow a number of other theologistic channels and history channels here on TH-cam, even some Atheist ones and I've heard everything here mentioned here before. It's not new. Most people of any denomination whether Christian or Atheist won't know exactly what the situation was before, during, or after the Council of Nicea, but in they know the general outcome. The tone of this video is awful, it painted everything as black and white, them versus us, something I've never found in the teachings of Jesus so I just don't understand what the agenda of this video actually is, except to sow division. This isn't what Christianity is about at all. I wish some people would understand this.
Oh, btw, catholic church began at Nicaea. Not 2000 years old as it always claims but almost 1700,
trigodhead would be foreign to jesus
Jesus proclaimed himself as one with the Father and then told the disciples he would send the Spirit who proceeds from the Father. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three co-existing eternal persons and Jesus did believe and teach this. He frequently proclaimed himself as God and at one point was almost stoned for proclaiming that. He said, “if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins,” meaning he believed himself to be God.
Early Christians referred to the Catholic Church as early as the first century, and always referred to it in a way that implied prior existence
@@saxtonhalegaming Where are the references to the rcc before the year 325?
@@tilesetter1953 Early Church Fathers
You left out the details that gnosticism was wiped out by the Roman Catholics.
@@thedude9941 and fusing roman paganism with Christianity to make Catholism wasn't heretical in anyway? Defying Mary to be the Goddess Isis or Ishtar? This is just one of thousands of examples I could give.
@@thedude9941 "bro, tell me you don't understand the history of roman Catholism without telling me."
Mary should never be worshipped, yet she is the main diety of roman Catholism, even above Jesus Christ. That's why catholics Hail Mary.
December 25th is also another pagan tradition converted into Christianity. They say its Christ birthday, but its actually the pagan celebration of the birth of Tammuz aka birth of the new Sun.
Also none of this is misrepresenting, its actually the unbiased reality of the formation of the catholic church after over 300 years of Christian genocide by Roman's.
@@thedude9941 my guy, December 25th is literally the birth of Tammuz aka (birth of the new "sun". So for Catholism to adopt an already WELL ESTABLISHED PAGAN TRADITION is most definitely proof that roman Catholism adopted pagan traditions to help convert pagans to Catholism. You need to understand why so many people bring up the December 25th shtick, because its not even biblical, better yet biblical historians say that Christ was born no where near December 25.
And Rome most definitely persecuted Christians for 300 years before the conception of roman Catholism, its factual history my guy. Roman Catholism was an authorized religion by the Roman goverment so that Christians could be controlled, and essentially monitored because persecution and genocide couldn't stomp them out. My point is even furthermore proved how paganism was essentially outlawed after the formation of the Catholic church and those who wouldn't convert to catholism were also assassinated. No Christian was even allowed to own a copy of the Bible, regardless of what you believe, these are all very well know points that historians identify as factual information. Look at the timeline of roman history until Constantine. Until his reign, Christians were persecuted mercilessly.
@@thedude9941 my guy, please don't respond if you're gonna say things like "Tammuz never existed" because you're just showing how uneducated you are on the topic.. Tammuz is the diefycation of Nimrod. LOL
You're basically agreeing with me, you're just going about it in some politically correct fashion so you don't offend catholics...? However, speaking the truth as offensive as it might be is just that, the truth. Sometimes the truth is offensive. Just like the Pharisees of Jesus’s time being calling out for their wickedness. Roman Catholism has undoubtedly been a tool to lead believers of christ astray and convert them to the catholic religion. The papacy is also undoubtedly mentioned in revelation and if you haven't put 2 and 2 together you haven't been studying hard enough.
@@thedude9941 my guy? What are you smoking. You've got a long, long, long ways to go before you start actually understanding all this history within context, and no this has nothing to do with Hebrew roots like you claim, its just unbiased and factual history. Cmon my guy you really think the Roman catholic church is going to speak Illy of themselves? All they do is glorify themselves. If you haven't identified the Roman papacy in revelations then you need to start studying!
A subject like this needs more details. There are holes in your narrative also.
Such as? Just genuinely curious.
@@David-ps1rz Well one off bat is painting Constantine as a mediator and a defender of unity. He wanted power of a the new Christian Religion that was thwarting Paganism. He essentially was getting ahead of a situation, there was no moral motivation, it was about control of his kingdom.
Almost got me with the beginning 20 seconds! Great video
Truth, Lies & Deceit within Two Covers by the World of True Science
That book of confusion that Christianity worships contains truth, Lies, deceit and many false assumptions. It is all between two covers.
Facts and truth is where we find them.
There are many gods and gods are just myth; they are the imagination of the human mind. However there is just one Creator; our Father the Great Creator is not a mythical god, but the creator of all that exists. The highest of all physics, that controls all other physics; it is the spiritual realm of Truth.
Truth is all that exists. Other than Truth there is just a concept of an absence.
The Great Creator is spirit that saturates and surrounds all existence; similar to electricity.
Our Father the Great Creator is the source of all intelligence Knowledge and Understanding.
That book of confusion is viewed as the words of Christianity’s Chief mythical god. This god is a cruel and unjust Mythical god that is viewed to have a torture-chamber of everlasting fire where he tortures all of those who are not in the tradition and the worshiping of their mythical gods. This hell myth was put into that book to put teeth and fear into their god worshiping society.
That book was not edited and produced by any of Christianity’s gods. Neither was it edited and produced by our Father the Great Creator.
That book of confusion that Christianity worships was edited and produce by the Catholic Church known worldwide as Christianity; and all the Protestants are just her little children that are ashamed of their mother.
The reason you find the word god in the book of confusions is that Constantine was a sun god worshiper. He believed in the gods. So he likened our Father the Great Creator to the mythical gods.
The Roman Emperor, Constantine actually did the final editing of that book and put the book and the Catholic Church in power, World-Wide.
In true reality it was the Catholic Church known worldwide as Christianity that ruled the world by the power of Rome. All nations feared the power of the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church had whole Cities massacred by Rome because the city would not come under the Catholic Church dominion. It is all in history; search honestly and you will find the truth.
This is just words to the honest and wise: honesty and understanding is the only true belief. Without honesty and understanding we do not know what to believe.
To accept others opinion of the truth without proving it to yourself; it is being deceived it is not believing.
We must understand to believe.
I do realize that the facts and truth is difficult for Christianity to face honestly.
All Criticism is welcome, as thoughts of criticism are one of the processes of learning. True Criticism is presenting facts; it is not name-calling and slander.
Until Next time; Sweet Dreams: truth will solve all our problems before we create them; and ignore or reject the truth; problems will multiply all by themselves.
Have a great and a meaningful life, if it is at all possible.
Just whispers, of the Ghost of Reality
Charlie E Pershall old timer, I’m not surprised you’re confused, but you really need to get saved, you haven’t long left. Jesus Christ is reality and He is the only one who can save you. Repent and get saved, while there’s still time. Sweet dreams yourself
It frightens me how many atheists would waste their finite time to comment on a video they know is false.
It frightens me more that they still use the same jokes to make fun of Christianity and Theism in general.
Did the god(s) they were talking about in Nicaea ever show up to tell them
who was right and who was wrong? (just askin' & wonderin')
@@annemburada6265 yeah, he did. He got crucified because of it.
@@JHohenhauser Imagine he would not have got himself killed?
@@annemburada6265 then people wouldn't have realized the gravity of their sins
@@JHohenhauser So Jesus showed up at Nicaea&got crucified as a result?
Jesus’ perspective is the most perfect. Whatever his expressed beliefs are concerning the God that he declared should be considered the standard Christian perspective-John 1:18. Jesus is not the one that declared that God is a Trinity, God is Triune, The Holy Trinity/ Divine Three are the only true God, or that God consists of three persons. No one of the scriptures has declared such a God as this. The Bible is the history we need to guide us. It is profitable for doctrine. We must not have faith in our conclusions from how we personally perceive the scriptures. We should have faith in the message brought by the one that God has made both Lord and Christ-Acts 2, John 8.
None of this proves that the final decision was the correct decision. All this proves is the majority of participants overruled the minority.
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It proved that the original teachings were as per the Biblical narratives, so the teaching of the Diety of Christ was former not latter. Yes, in of itself the council was organised by the emperor to find out what was originally taught from the beginning. He wasn't a Christian, so he got the bishops together to settle their argument of belief, not, as it were to prove to you what is, or who Christ is. That argument is between you are your creator.
Thank you so very much for this video it has really cleared the air for me on this matter. There is so much junk information about this and it is so frustrating and confusing it is liberating to be able to stand on facts. I cherish I.P.'s ministry so much and has helped in walking with The Lord.
That fact that you talk about evidence floors me!
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THANK YOU for pronouncing Nicaea properly. It drives me crazy when people butcher this name.
Yes and I’m sure you pronounce every word you say perfectly.
@@TheSonicDeviant It's not that hard. It's called phonetics.
@@lindakay9552 - Nobody said it was hard, my point is don’t be a twatty snob. The mispronunciation of word that has no relevance to your life should not bother you. And there is actually some academic debate on its pronunciation, and as already stated I’m sure you mispronounce some words yourself.
It’s not that hard, it’s called emotional intelligence.
The Council of Nicea had three points of view represented at the meeting: the strict Arians, the semi-Arians and the strict Trinitarians.
The vast majority in attendance, however, took a middle position between Arianism and Trinitarianism.
They were led by Eusebius of Caesarea and are referred to as “Semi-Arians”. They rejected the Trinitarian doctrine that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of the same substance.
Of this council, the Church historian Philip Schaff wrote:
*“In reference to the theological question the council was divided in the beginning into three parties. The orthodox party… was at first in the minority… The Arians or Eusebians numbered perhaps twenty bishops… The majority, whose organ was the renowned historian Eusebius of Caesarea, took middle ground between the right and the left…”*
*-Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Volume 3, pp. 627-628*
Likewise, the historian Karen Armstrong wrote:
*“When the bishops gathered at Nicaea on May 20, 325, to resolve the crisis, very few would have shared Athanasius’s view of Christ. Most held a position midway between Athanasius and Arius”*
*-Karen Armstrong, A History of God, p. 110*
This is further evidence that the Trinity was not the orthodox position of the early Church, since the majority of attending bishops did not hold to a pro-Trinitarian, anti-Arian view before the council.
The council proceedings caused the mood of the undecided majority to move towards an anti-Arian view.
Because of this sudden swing away from Arianism, the goal of the council quickly shifted from seeking compromise to condemning Arianism on no uncertain terms.
Since it was difficult to do this on Scriptural terms alone, the bishops decided to formulate a creed that specifically excluded Arianism from the scope of Christian belief.
Key to it was a concept found nowhere in the Bible: homo-ousios (from the Greek ‘homos’, meaning “same”, and ‘ousia’, meaning “essence”). The anti-Arians wanted to insert this concept of Jesus being of the same substance of God the Father into the official creedal statement of the Church.
This anti-Arian clause was proposed by Emperor Constantine himself. Arius and his followers refused to accept it because they believed that Jesus was created by God and therefore materially separate from one another.
Notice that the contention was not about passages of the Bible, but rather philosophy. This further reinforces the point that the Trinity is not a Biblical concept but rather external to the Bible.
The Church had to come up with terms of “philosophical” (pagan/Greek) origin in order to explain it, as former Pope Benedict XVI states:
*In order to articulate the dogma of the Trinity, the Church had to develop its own terminology with the help of certain notions of philosophical origin: “substance,” “person,” or “hypostasis,” “relation” and so on*
*-Catechism of the Catholic Church, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, p. 74*
Faced with the awe-inspiring presence of the emperor of the known world, there could be little opposition: the majority of the bishops at the council ultimately agreed upon a creed, known thereafter as the “Nicene creed”:
*“[The] majority eventually acquiesced in the ruling of the Alexandrians [trinitarians]; yet this result was due… partly to the pressure of the imperial will”*
*-Encyclopedia Britannica, pp. 410-411, v. 16, 14th ed*
The Encyclopaedia Britannica states:
*Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed… the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council… Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.*
*-Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1971 edition, Vol. 6, “Constantine,” p. 386*
When the creed was finished eighteen Bishops still opposed it. Constantine at this point intervened to threaten with exile anyone who would not sign for it.
Two Libyan Bishops and Arius still refused to accept the creed. All three were exiled.
Although Constantine is usually remembered for the steps he took toward making Christianity the established religion of the Roman Empire, it would not be wrong to consider him as one of the chief driving forces behind the Nicene creed.
It was he who proposed and perhaps even imposed the expression homo-ousios (“same essence”) at the Council of Nicea, and it was he who provided government aid to the so-called orthodox and exerted government pressure against non-conformists.
The Christapagans, by this day and age, sadly will not listen to reason or actually investigate the life of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), so they must dig their heads deeper into the sand to continue believing the Trinity nonsense, it would seem. Thank you for sharing this information here either way, brother, salaam
When the video says that "Christianity is growing" and that Arians "tried to stomp out the TRUE church" all remaining semblance of impartiality is gone.
yep, and naturally when other "sources" say things NOT part of "church" doctrine, naturally christians are discouraged from reading any of that, since it sends them to hell without passing "Go" or collecting 200 dollars in fake money.
Well, back it up with legitimate sources to counter what he's presented. Okay, scholar move ahead...
Thank you very much for this video. Atheist-turned-Lutheran here. I believe that the Lord inspired you to make this video, and that He led me to watch it. It answers many questions that I here Jehovah's Witnesses constantly ask me.
+InspiringPhilosophy
Why: Arians vs Christians?
Were not both positions equally Christian?
Why not: Arian Christians vs Orthodox Christians?
Why Arians vs "the true church" (9:04)?
Is that not a biased and distorted equivalence?
Isn't True Church™ a later self-applied appellation assumed after it had itself "stomped out" opposing positions?
As they say: "History is written by the victors" - and spun by their sycophants.
True church because some human beings decided so! :-) Actually, he is confessing that Christianity is in fact a man-made religion.
If you will read the Gospel of John you will clearly see that Jesus DID claim to be God, especially at John 8:58. In all four Gospels Jesus allows and encourages people to call Him "Lord", a title reaerved for God.
@@georgepenton808 I will start saying that I am God so someone will write a book saying that I said I am god. That will definitely prove that I am god. 😂
@@MnyFrNthng While at it, do not forget to organize someone to steal your body, so that it remains a mystery whether you rose from the dead or not.
@@chippandenga6722 how do you know that the body even disappeared?
Oh, yeah, the bible says so. 😂😂😂
I am atheist and I thank you for your video, it's clear and well explained. I want to learn more about the true history of christianity, and, as you may see, I am looking for good sources on both sides of the debate. Can you please point me to other good sources you may know? thank you very much.
Thanks :) It is good you are trying to be objective in this. We can all learn from that example.
Check out the information section as I listed all my sources. Also, these videos are also good sources for Christianity's true scientific history:
Lecture 06: The Sectarian Origins of Young Earth Creationism
Lecture 04: The War that Never Was
You'll find ant-scientific ideas that many Christians have today do not match our rich intellectual history.
***** Thanks! Much appreciated.
***** Total bunk IMHO, but keep up the good fight man
Radel Gratereaux Gautreaux wow, that is beautiful that you are researching for yourself and not spreading negativity/rudeness. I hope you find what it is you need and have a wonderful life filled with positivity 😊
Do you guys really feel you need to bolster your position with the sock puppet of the so called "curious atheist". Do you really think that this will fool anyone? Why do you have to use such disingenuous tactics if you what you believe is true? Don't you think the truth of what you believe about Jesus would be so beyond dispute as to be universally accepted if there was decent evidence for it?
At the end of the day....how will you behave? Will you be good or evil? Will you follow blindly or hold up life for contemplation? The struggle is eternal...but worth the effort and reflection. Just my opinion....
Please remove the background music. It's not necessary.
Do people really still make this argument about Nicea? Lol, it's more ridiculous than the "Jesus pagan myth" myth.
Srapis christus
Shut up Jew
God is one, he created Adam without any mother or father, a bigger miracle than creating jesus with one patient.
@ibrahiym you have no idea how many god is. nor do I. if we are arrogant bastards, you fit right in amongst our ranks.
@@tracyavent-costanza346 I concur: 2 Kings 3:27 Tells of the 2 the two Jewish Kingdoms of Israel and Judah along with Edom attacking the Kingdom of Moabites. When the Moabite King, Mesha saw the battle was lost he sacrificed his oldest son and heir to the Moabite god Chemosh and a" great wrath" befell the Jews and their ally, causing them to retreat in terror. So, the bible itself mentions at least one other god as factual and existing.
Don't forget Adams first wife Lilith who was created the same way as Adam. But she would not be submissive and was tossed out, before Eve was created from his rib as a way of being beneath Adam. Ahh Lilith, the role model of feminism.
@@59Suntzu i find the narrative odd, where "adam" supposedly sent her away since she disobeyed him or something. If I have a really dumb idea, I would HOPE she would disobey me. I do not fancy myself entitled to give her orders in the first place and the few times I tried, she pretty much ignored me. And I kept her because I'm not an idiot.
@@59Suntzu naturally I would wonder a few things:
1) whether "sacrificing his son" was somehow actually necessary or whether Chemosh would have done the great wrath thing without the sacrifice part
2) somehow I doubt that Mesha's eldest son would have thought this approach to have been the best available tactic
Arianism did NOT die out completely! Ever hear of the Jehovah's Witnesses? Those people are Arian to the core.
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Do you think so? It seems to me like the Mormons are even further out than the JWs and the Aryans.
Rebel Czech plus Unitarians, and other non trinitarian groups like oneness Pentecostals.
Good point !
There is still even an Arian Catholic Church.
And we have a cult here who is basically arian
Loved this as I'm searching into these to get an understanding of how the Christian faith extended after the biblical accounts of the apostles and the Great commision by Christ into all the world.
You're definitely right that Constantine didn't force any points of doctrine on Christianity. I believe that he was more interested in peace than theology. In fact, despite his public declarations, I believe that privately he remained a pagan.
He never declared himself as a christian
He was baptized an Arian.
Gnosticism had died out, so what would you call the Bogomils and Cathars who were geonocided by Pope Innocent III.
Gnostics still exist. Maybe they who insist that gnosticism is dead, just need to get out more. I do hope they at least grasp the irony of a pope called "Innocent", having murdered people.
Doesn’t change the fact that Gnosticism is fake.
@@danielandres1579 Only as fake as the teachings within the Biblical Canon. The teachings of christ and the apostles used to be decentralized, when you met a scribe that had books that you lacked, you would make a copy of his. Centralized christianity (at the hands of a murderous emperor, at that!) does not make it "more real" than the other writings. You trust the same people that banned and then murdered christ to centralize your teachings?! Madness!!
@@aleveryonesdaddyhorford8109 who's to say they didn't make up CHRIST? Isaiah and Jeremiah both say only God And Him alone no one else Isaiah 43:3? chapters 40 - 45 of Isaiah must read both book's.
@ Kilo. The Cathars are still going!
AMAZING... SEMINARY SCHOOL BEING TOUGH RIGHT HERE.
i assume you meant "taught" ?
The divinity of Christ was conveyed through John.
Contrary to the statement Constantine had no input; that is inaccurate when it comes to determining the Sabbath day.
Constantine insisted that the 7th day or Saturday which was the Hebrew Sabbath would not be followed by the Christians, but rather the first day of the week, Sunday would be the Sabbath. There was a very simple reason for this. Sunday was the day that honored Sol Invictus (the Invincible Sun ) the head deity of Constantine's belief.
Lmao. The days were created derived from the solar sytem.
Moonday
Saturn day.
Thor day pagan god.
Etc.
The Bible uses.
First day
Second day
Third day ..etc.
@@apachetribeswearealive2313 The days were derived from Pagan gods not the solar system. Try reading history and studying it, rather than guessing it. Sunday was the day of the SUN and Sol Invictus, the Sun God. It was also the first day of the week not the 7th in which the christan god supposedly rested. The jews have Saturday as the sabbath for exactly that reason. And a simple look at the calendar will show Sunday as the first day of the week.
@@apachetribeswearealive2313
Exactly right, Sunday being day one, as the commenter indicated, for their "sun" God !
Solar, sun . . .
The "sun" is the greater light !
Sunday was the day Jesus was - the believer's narrative goes - resurrected.
@@cezarpoetica8155It the bible never says Sunday was the resurrection day. It sates "he rose on the third day". which would be Tuesday. And if you count three days from Friday at 3:00 when the supposed crucifixion occurs, you would come to Monday around 3:00. So your argument is flawed. Further, the most important days of the New Testament, the Death and Resurrection, and no one knows the date? So they base it off the Hebrew Lunar Calendar for Passover with a moving date. Apparently, many believers will believe what is put forth, whether it makes sense or not.
You can read Christians beliefs prior to Nicaea in several volumes called The AnteNicaen Fathers.
Tracy Avent
www.holybooks.com/ante-nicene-fathers-vol-i-ix/
You can read them here for free. They have been authenticated and are the writings of the Apostle’s Disciples and the Disciple’s Disciples. They are not Canon because the Bible is complete and these are no more canon that A.W. Towzer’s Knowledge of the Holy.
@@cforse1 howzat again? "...because the bible is complete..." according to WHOM? Saint Jerome? You DO KNOW that he lived around AD800 right? He could not have possibly known ANY OF THE CHARACTERS in the stories whose text he was translating (from greek and hebrew, into latin). And HIS "version" was used by the roman church, until vatican II. This thing about "bible...complete..." is pure horse crap. NOBODY has the authority to determine what "complete" would look like, even if such a notion were desirable. Revelation is not closed.
You can read CHRISTIAN beliefs before NICEA:
The NewTestament
@@bouquetoffood8918 there do appear to be older "church" documents but the term "the church" and "christian" for that matter, are really rather nebulous despite the writings. one thing I can say about them is that they appear to be QUITE elaborate and my sampling of them suggests that they do depart significantly from the modern "canon" (as though there were only one despite the nicean efforts to establish it).
And given their apparent diversity, I would say that not only do they generally not support the nicean version, but that the fact of their survival implies a certain dissatisfaction among the ranks, with the nicean doctrine of subsequent centuries. I have to assume that, were the niceans fully in control of those earlier texts, that they themselves would have met a similar fate to that of the "bibles" that the nicean participants brought: they were destroyed and replaced with the new, standardized version.
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Excellent! Love it. It reminds me of the book, 'The Apostasy that Wasn't: The extraordinary story of the unbreakable early church.' by Rod Bennett :)
Unbreakeable, and bone-shattering to say the least. Often it used much crueler means to break "heretics." I am referring to the church after Nicaea.
@@tilesetter1953 Prove it
@@CHURCHISAWESUM F.U.
Okay, so let’s have an explanation as to why the Holy Roman Church decided to celebrate Christmas and Easter at equinoxes when the Bible already records the appointed times for believers.