Here's Why I am Selling My 2018 Tesla Model S 100D After Owning It For Only Two Months!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ย. 2022
- I thought this 2018 Tesla Model S 100D would be a good road tripper. It has range of about 275 miles on the highway, but the charging speeds are just not what I thought they would be. I have learned that sometimes in life when you make mistakes, you need to just trade out of them quickly and move on. So, this is exactly what I am doing. I am really excited about buying a 2021 Refresh Tesla Model S after finding the right piece at the right price from Carmax. Watch this video for a bit more of an explanation, along with the trade in process/dollar amount that Carmax is willing to give me.
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2018 Model S 100D is best car I've every owned. I have 130,000 miles and have been on long road trips. Plug in charger, go in and grab coffee, check emails, and car is charged. Too much drama in this video
He just does not know what to do with his money
@@TomLarriet-vd6yv Correct.
Tesla model S 100D 2018 is the sweet spot for EVs in my opinion 😀
Once again, Out of Spec Dave buys more cars in six months than I've owned in my entire life. Good luck with this one!
Thanks
A proud member of the new car of the month club..
Nice one, Dave. I laughed when you said 68K is a high-mileage car. I guess it is all relative.
When buying one, I'd consider it so as well.
@@LordStevie for a 2018, 68K is a high mileage car. I will give you (and Dave) that.
Amazing video. Best of luck for the sale and the purchase of the new Model S. Can't wait to see it on your channel.
Excited to see more Tesla content!!
Love all your videos Dave, keep it up, watching on my Model 3 haha
Video idea: Amtrak has a train between Lorton, Virginia (near Washington DC) and Sanford, Florida (near Orlando) you can bring your vehicle on this train, would be interesting to see this versus a road trip.
I have always wanted to try this
@@dconner9 We have done it several times prior to COVID (we live in Northern Virginia). One trip they served complimentary Virginia wines in the bar car before we left. So we put the car in the queue and got on board and had some nice wines before the train got underway. I have heard that they have cut back on some of the services so I don't know what the experience is like these days.
I have looked at it - it takes too long and the price is outrageous unless you book 6 months in advance.
There was a lot of numbers and logic dropped here which I appreciated. I like your thought process of tax savings especially with the increased taxes in ct. Congrats on the new tesla and happy for you!
I Like the car. Thank you for the thorough review of the condition of the vehicle. Best of lick in which ever option you choose.
Dave my wife and I must have bought and traded in like 5 or 6 cars from CarMax. I have a Model 3 on order and scheduled to pick up on September 17. Tesla quoted me 7k for my 2017 Ioniq Classic hybrid. We sold the car to CarMax for 14,500. For a used car I won't look anywhere else to buy. Gratz on the upcoming Model S.
I chuckled when you said 68k on a 2018 was "high mileage". I have a Sept 2021 LR Model 3 with 35k miles.
Goodness! More musical chairs with your EVs! Well… I was one who would have kept the Ioniq 5, but I will agree that any EV should have a rated range of 300+ miles. It's not that I've ever driven that far on a charge, the most has been 200 miles, but… having an extra "buffer" with the recommended 80% charge, gives peace-of-mind when and if you hit inclement weather, strong headwinds, steep climbs to a higher elevation, etc. Good luck getting your next "pony"!
Charging network reliability And availability is key over range. Just as long as the range is over 200 miles. We took a long road trip from New Jersey to Saint Augustine Florida in a 2019 Tesla standard range plus no issues and every stop was about 15 to 20 minutes to charge to the next location. Auto pilot was also a big benefit and they driving experience less stressful
Hey Dave, this is a vehicle that once had FSD through subscription. The subscription is no longer active and that’s why under autopilot, it says auto pilot only, not Full self driving capability either package included or subscription. Once the subscription ends, where it would say full self driving capability subscription, it then reverts back to listing autopilot only. If it were purchased it would list Full Self Driving capability, package included. Tesla does not remove the most recent version of software, and that is why FSD beta is still listed. I was interested in one that was listed in the same way and I inquired about it with Tesla and that’s what they told me. Thank you to you and Conner for the great videos. By the way, just a thought but maybe it might be best to get a quote for a trade-in before they know you’re interested in a particular vehicle. Once they know you’re interested in a vehicle, then they can offer you significantly less than anyone else due to the tax savings you will receive by trading your vehicle in with them.
Also, the quote CarMax gave you is only valid for 7 days.
@@LordStevie I have it in writing that the quote they gave me is good until my new car comes in. So all good there
@@dconner9 I guess it’s different when they know you’re buying a car! The last couple of cars got estimates on always said 7 days. You’re good. You’re absolutely getting a great deal on a great car! Congrats.
You need to change your name to Dealin' Dave. I am amazed at how many cars you have owned since you began making videos with the VW id4's. I enjoyed hearing your reasoning on the changes in each car. Logical in each choice moving to the next vehicle. I am not ready for full EV due to the range as well. My 2013 Audi Q5 ICE range was 555 miles. My 2021 Audi Q5 hybrid with 14.1Kw battery has an electric range of 27 miles and the ICE range is 445 miles. During the pandemic we drove locally and my average is 83 MPG. After a road 1000 mile trip the mileage dropped to 69 MPG. I have the same questions about the value of car as I leased it. The place where I bought is selling my car used for the 5K less than the MSRP. I am leaning towards buy the car after the lease ends BUT with this video I have learned a lot about selling and buying from Carvana. Thanks Dave for making this really informative video. I enjoyed watching your drive to Carvana. Awaiting another Out of Spec DAVE video.
His trading behavior will change under the new $7500 credit guidelines, you can only receive it once every three years!
@@LordStevie I missed that with the build Back Bill. A lot of TH-cam EV channels buy many cars up till now. I guess you can get your spouse to buy a car as well. Still only 2 cars every 3 years.
I am also disappointed that Tesla no longer offers a silver paint job. I would have bought the carbon fiber T Sportline Aero package and carbon wrapped the side skirts, I think that would have looked awesome. I really don't want to go to the expense of a silver wrap so I'm planning on doing that with my white S Plaid that I picked up a few days ago.
Silver is so 2000's, imo.
I have never understood the charging speed thing. Each day I charge my Model 3P from a 52% state of charge to a 82% state of charge, and my charge rate is at 60kW at the Supercharger, and I'm completely happy with that.
Thats slow asf
@@lilpeppa117G If I ran the state of charge down to 5%, I'd see a much faster charge rate. But I don't run it that low.
thanks for the videos. I need your input sir on MS since you're 6'5 tall.
I'm 6'4 and is concerned about the leg room, ingress and egress in MS. I have a LR MS and a LR MX ordered but difficult deciding on which to accept and cancel the other. I like how the S looks but not much of X looks and hate the falcon wings. only reason I'm considering X is just the "suv"
so, have you considered getting an X instead or you have no problems with the S. thanks again
I have owned the X. Prefer the model S even though it’s lower. No issue with headroom on either. B pillar on S is tight to the steering wheel so I set an exit mode on steering wheel to push the wheel all the way to the dash to provide more room entering and exiting. Falcon wing doors are a cool party trick, but not practical to live with for my life style. I like to quickly throw my brief case in the back seat each morning on my commute and the X just takes too long. Plus, where I park at work is tight, and as good as those doors are tight to the car when opening, I get stress each time. Simply put: they are just over engineered. The S styling is classic and timeless. The X looks odd to me. Always has. Model S also has huge room in it when you fold down the rear seats, plus better range. For me, I choose the S
Thought I was the only one to go thru cars. I sold my 23 model 3 performance after 11months with only 6k miles on it. I usually go through about 2 to 3 new and used cars every year.
Thanks. Great information. I don't like the yolk, but it's not my biggest issue with the refreshed Model S. It's the lack of stalk controls and tactile feel buttons and knobs. It seems like I would spend a lot more time with my eyes off the road in order to push some phantom pretend button that I won't know if I activated unless I then move my eyes someplace else which is not the road in order to confirm my choice. Has any of that been an issue for you in the new S?
None of that is an issue in the refresh in my experience
There’s haptic feedback and there’s dimples separating buttons like turn signals, so you can learn to do it by feel pretty quickly
Nope. Just like how we all shifted to touchscreen smart phones, you'll be fine using only the screen. I like using stalks, but hate the look of them. They are unnecessary and ugly. Love the clean refresh interior
@@DescartesRenegade Between my hands shaking, my old eyes needing reading glasses to see the screen, and my ability to shift attention from one thing to another declining rapidly, you do not want to be on the same road as me trying to figure out a touch screen at 80 mph.
@@bam111965 sounds like your biggest issue is that you're still driving, not about some screen.
We own 2 volts and love them!
You will enjoy that car
Keep that Model S pristine, which means don't let Jordan drive it!
Another Great Video Dave. I own a W on W. Model Y Performance. I love it. I do wish I got the Model X. The model s looks good. I just like to sit a little higher up. Like everyone I’m waiting on my CyberTruck to be built or even have a final design.
Actually I don’t think it has the FSD package included, I think they are running on the subscription. Mine with FSD purchased doesn’t even show autopilot in the two options like yours does. Instead it shows FSD capability: included package.
Im not getting rid of my 2016 Tesla S D70. I love it but its not a road car as this guy found out. So guess what. We just got a brand new Fast Charging Tesla Y and love it. And we got a 7,500 federal tax credit too which is huge. We now get double duty from our home charger which is great and are looking forward, now to taking our first long trip. So its not an either or thing like he portrays. If you are in this situation do as we did and you will be happy too.
Most states you will *not* lose the sales tax credit. You just need a sales tax affidavit when going to the DMV to prove the price of the car you sold. Dealers don't have a special market when it comes to sales tax credit.
Also, even Model 3s in many cases only get a charge rate of around 170kw at v2 and v3 chargers. Getting a newer Model S won't get you a faster charge at most supercharger stops
Maybe you should consider the Lucid if range is your biggest need.
I have one on order
I had Model 3 then çhanged to Y ,almost $80k cdn. I was looking for coat hooks for my suits ( going to a function),zero. I was looking for handles to grab for seniors when exiting the vehicle, none. Garage (homelinks) is. $450 extra. Most of the important functions must be on the screen while the car is on highway speed,say ,slide the fan speed scale. Using voice command, nah its still not ideal. Elon is just too proud of his ideas, he should hire European or Japanese automotive experts to design the inside
I'm getting the Hyundai ionic 5
Dave changes cars as often as people change underwear.
Dave, I recently posted a reply to one of your other videos when you bought your Tesla Model S 100D how after owning it for 4 years I had just traded in my 2018 Tesla Model S 75D for a 2023 Genesis GV60 Performance (probably the most modern and technologically advanced EV today in my opinion!) like your wife bought and which you made a number of glowing video reviews about. Among the reasons I decided to part with my Model S was all the broken Tesla promises made over 4 years of owning it about getting new feature upgrades (very few), Full Self Driving (FSD) which I paid for but NEVER got the "invitation" to download the FSD "Beta" software even after getting the V. 3.0 Autopilot (AP) computer upgrade, my screwed up SiriusXM radio which Tesla could never fix AND lastly and just as importantly the Supercharger charging times were just taking impossibly longer and longer! Over the last 4 years my Tesla has apparently been purposely "slowed down" while charging on Superchargers. It's been rumored that Tesla has purposely been slowing down fast DC charging on software updates on older Teslas due to possible fire concerns with these "older" Model S chassis. This summer before I traded it in, it was now taking 45-60+ minutes or more to "fast charge" my Tesla from 20% to 80%. The Hyundai designed E-GMP platform in my new Genesis GV60 has the newest 800V electrical architecture (like that found in Porsche and Audi), different battery chemistry and a better charging taper once SOC exceeds 80%, which compared to the ~360V/380V/400V architecture of Tesla (and mostly every other EV brand) the GV60 offers more than TWICE the charging speed when connected to the fastest 350KW Electrify America chargers (and even the regular EA 150KW chargers...). In fact when I fast charged my GV60 the first time, I charged from 30% to 80% in just 16 minutes flat! And subsequent charging visits adding 35-40 KW 's (a "half tank") are usually under 20 minutes as well so I get your point completely how your new "old" Tesla Model S 100D was adding HOURS to charging on trips (like your trips back and forth from CT to FL) was unacceptable! Good luck with your new 2021 Model S which you'll be able to charge much faster on your trips, especially on V3 Superchargers (except I HATE that fcuken YOKE!). Let us know how you make out 🙂.
Thanks Mark. Great context here. Kathy loves her GV60 for so many reasons. I can’t wait to take delivery of the new Model S to enjoy faster charging on the Supercharger network as well as the long range. Plus, the yoke will be a new thing to get used to.
I was laughing when you were at Carmax thinking those customer cars were cars for sale. Carmax always has packed lots of vehicles for sale. The reason your offer was less with them was most likely because they don't sell Teslas with over 50k miles yet. They're cautious with the EVs right now so they offered you a number basically for them to sell it at an auction. Companies like Carvana and Vroom sell higher mileage so they have margins to support a higher initial offer.
Haha, you should look up the latest news on Carvana. I LOVE their business model, but they're in a whole lotta mess financially. It breaks my heart.
@@mangos2888 probably because of the financing options, since it's all thru them, they ain't collected enough coin.
What's cool about white seats is they never get dirty or show dirt...
the first point you made in this video, posted only 6 months ago was the disappointment in slow charging. And now you have a M3 RWD with slow charging lol.
just saw a 2018 MS 100D for $50k on Manheim. I have a dealer license in NJ.
What'd you pay for the 100D? $70k $75k?
Probably time to think about getting a dealer's license to avoid having to take a bath on tax, title, and registration every time you decide to swap into something new.
$62k
2018 still runs 100D congrats on ya new Tesla
Dave you crack me up but now that you have made your decision it looks like the “yolks” on you.
It is a FSD car and it’s on the fsd beta as well, nice!
What makes it a "Refresh"?
More interested in the average charging speed over 10%-80% than the peak.
Glad you finally took my advice! I’d been telling you since the EA Charger incident at the Walmart in Naples with your ID.4, to stop messing around and get another Tesla! 👍🏻
You’re gonna love this one, and it might actually be the keeper! 😁
Hi Dave ive had 13 EVs since 2007, the best for comfort and charging speed is the etron 55. what about taycan
I'm curious what EV's you drove between 2007 and 2012?
The problem with a used Tesla with FSD is when you take ownership it's been a crap shoot if it stays with the car.
If you're not buying from Tesla it always stays with the car.
You are indeed a rich man Dave
Dave, Dave, Dave. i have been buying and trading cars for my personal use since 1964 and I have used all types of logic to convince myself to satisfy my car lust. You are preaching to the congregation. 😁 On a different track -> are you leery that these super fast DC charging cars will have battery problems after a few years of use?
so i shouldn't buy a 2016 model s 90d?
Car has base Autopilot, not FSD. Previous owner must’ve done a subscription.
Thanks Branden
How much?
It would have a subscrption expiry date if it wasn't!
I like your analysis on the tax savings
maybe you should temporary move to NJ since we have sales tax on EVs. New and used. between my wife’s ioniq 5 and my 2019 model 3 we save over $ 6350 In sales tax
I should run the numbers
That’s zero sales tax for EVs in NJ. For once, living in NJ is a positive (as a lifelong Jerseyean 😀)
@@tomm3218 haha. Or get a Montana llc :)
@@dconner9 Oregon also doesn't have a sales tax. I live mostly in Texas for work, but we bought a house in Oregon three years ago. Bought my white 2022 S Plaid in Oregon (got it last Wednesday) and saved $8,500 compared to Texas (6.25%), that was a big factor in going for the Plaid. The Oregon house is on the coast and it is beautiful out here.
@@tomm3218 Ev adoption in our state is definitely increasing. I’m down in Wildwood crest and saw a lot of Teslas at the Cape May supercharger fortunately I didn’t have to charge since I’m close enough And can make it back-and-forth in one round trip. We could definitely use some faster CCS chargers in Cape May and Atlantic county areas
so why use both phone and center screen?
Waze
Your an old guy like me… what’s the big hurry to get from point A to point B?? You should be enjoying the journey not just the destination… maybe your working to hard if you are having to drive that much… just sayin…
Did you notice the EV6 at 4:20
??? My 2014 S P85 charges from 10 % to 90 % in 25-30 min @ the super charger 245 mi range.
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. No source for his data. More likely he is unaware the level of charger he is using and exaggerates the time needed.
Hey Now
Wyndmoor PA
This car will not have FSD, it was a subscription car. That shows the same on our car. We subscribed the. When unsubscribed the software stayed in place though we can not use it unless we purchase or resubscribe.
Not an FSD car, it had subscription and it ended.
Hard to believe this guy and his wife isn't losing money left and right, by changing cars every other month.
What does the green circle sticker mean on your rearview mirror?
It’s funny you ask…. I have no idea
Im sure the hurricane had somthing to do with it
Banks aren't selling their repos while they owe much for them! Next year they will be forced to sell as the prices continue to fall! Like the housing bubble in 2008! Then, CarMax's lots will be full.
yeah can’t never go wrong with white interiors
Why would you pay sales tax when they are actually the ones buying it, don’t let them trick you into thinking that you are getting more money when in reality it saves them money
That same car would sale for $32k right now lol 😬
you'd be lucky to get 45K today
I hear a little dutch accent, r u dutch??
Electrek website regularly publishes a list of all electric cars with range and other details. perhaps start there.
I’m leaning more towards the car having FSD; the beta software will probably be removed when you purchase the car. I have had FSD (paid in full) and FSD subscription, from what I remember FSD with the subscription would say that in that menu. Like it expired or renews on such and such date. Congrats!
Go to the upgrades tab and see what the options are.
Check what Carvana would give you
I did and they were super low this time. Mid $40’s
This has become a used car flipping channel.
Well, just buy an Ioniq 6 then. That would solve your dilemma.
I hear ya… But I just don’t like the sad fish look of the IONIQ 6 and I want the Tesla & CCS networks at my disposal. No dilemma here; looking forward to the refreshed 2021 Model S
Hi Dave nice video, but I guess you yourself a tesla with a so called single charge, and not the double charger, so I think that is why it is so. And the other thing is, the dealer you bought it from, i must say, has absolutely no idea of Teslas, you live in CT make contact with Now you know in MA or rich rebuild in NH they would no more about when it comes to buying a pre owned Tesla.
Huge depreciation on a 2018 model s. Before you buy the 2021 get car max to tell you what they will give you for it before you buy it.
We are nearly in 2023 lol and then they will say It is a 2 yrs old car and and only giving you 52k for a 3 yrs old car.
You done well buying latest models and flipping them but think you will take a bath on these 2 model s. You playing with tax credit logic but lost 10k on models s in less than 8 weeks.
Carmax gave me $52k in writing; effective value $56k to me.
@@dconner9 love channel dave and youn family
Yes got the tax logic and I'm British
Still lost 10k on car in less than 2 months as you could have traded it at higher offer retailerr and not buy that model s.
You would still have tax bennefit and buying another high mile model s is asking for more depreciation.
You get my logic .. you bought var for 62 and sell it for 52 8 weeks later.
The 55 and 56 k offers you had would also have same tax bennefit if you bought a car from them.
There are loads of tesla channels and what made your channel great was covering the newer cars.
Like your channel and just think this not a great trade financially and in content.
You do you brother, just after taking a 10k hit and then buying another refresh version will have same result.
Liked your plaid video on kyles car but how much model s content is there left.
Your money and your choice and your channel.
Have a great sunday.
He's losing money left and right, but won't admit it for some reason.
Why not just get a lucid?
I have a Pure on order. Thats a 2023 event
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Get a LUCID!!!!!!!!
CarMax is a waste for Teslas. They offered me $51k for a 2022 Model 3 Performance. Took it down the street and got $66k from a random dealer.
Why is your tax situation any different selling it through KBB vs Carmax? It should be the same.
Because I am buying a 2021 Tesla from them
@@dconner9 Got it, would have helped if I was paying a bit more attention :)
Too much drama in this video. Sounds like someone who decided to make a negative video for views from Tesla lovers. Lol sad. This is one of the best cars ever made
Even starts the video with “it’s a great car” lol
The battery pack in this thing is going bad after only 68,000 miles? Wow, I would call that a lemon.
His battery pack isn't going bad, Tesla has made improvements to it since 2018, especially with the Refresh versions of the S/X!
The battery is not going bad. He is just not happy with the speed this model charges at. That information is available before you purchase however he didn’t think it would bother him as much until he owned it and drove it on a long trip. He is willing to spend more to get what he wants and it will charge faster.
@@rundmd2 Also, his 2018 model isn't CCS enabled, the new one likely is, then he can also use EA's 350KwH chargers when convenient!
I have 2013 model s with 88,000 miles on on it
In typical "Conner" fashion, 5 minutes of information in just 27 minutes....
Thanks! I think…
I bet you lose your ass selling all these cars..
Thanks!
Just get a Lexus
Ugh...there is always one in the crowd.