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- Chris Harris takes on the might of the Tesla Model S. And it's not just any Model S, but the P100D. Subscribe to Top Gear for more videos: bit.ly/SubscribeToTopGear
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The Tesla Model S P100D - Chris Harris Drives - Top Gear
Here we are at last: Chris Harris takes on the might of the Tesla Model S. And it’s not just any Model S, but the Big Daddy: the P100D. First up, a date with a Porsche 911R in a drag race, to test the credentials of Tesla’s lightspeed acceleration.
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You can tell that he is fighting with his inner demons and wanting to hate this car, but he can’t.
Rob Frakes nah, that's just your psychotic fanboy view.
@@xxBlackpspxx Spoken like a real Trump voter.
@Lilburrit00 99 Terrible horrific comment. How you know he didn't stiff suspensions? Because they didn't show it? They could do it anyway. Harris is so experienced car reviewer that I am sure he checked everything before open his mouth. And yes, this car is all about software and Chris Harris is all about driving, so you can't complain that he is not nerding about software.
I like Tesla a lot, especially Model 3, that is my dream car right now. Model S is already old by its platform. Technology is there and over the others, but its 130k pounds and by platform and dynamics its already old and can't compete other luxury brands that costs lot less. Model 3 is up to date in everyway and that's why lot better overall car by money than Model S.
@Lilburrit00 99 but he learnt. All his review cars have different suspension setups and I think he would search that too from there. But what I say is I just assume things and same thing you are doing. It's maybe better not make opinions about things from assumptions.
@Robert Blackford Most P100D owners could care less about the environment....
"Just a 0-120 machine"
Yes Chris, because we're always driving around at 120mph plus on public roads...
I agree bro...who the hell is ever gonna be going faster than that on any public road? the tesla smokes anything in the range of speed that any Sane human being would approach.
Watch what happens when the roadster comes out
@Jonas Jonaitis Also almost as expensive as the Porsche 991 GT3 RS. To be honest i would rather have a Porsche 991 GT3 RS for 1 reason. Track Driving. I don't care if the Tesla is faster on 0 - 60 MPH. But what i know is it definitely won't be beating it on Handling, Cornering, Build Quality and Lap Times. Driving Experience.
Same thing with Tesla Roadster 2020 that doesn't even look like it's built for Race Track driving basing on it's Design that doesn't even have enough Down force design. Only Short 1/4 Mile Straight Line Drag Racing.
@@ShadowRomeo1784 $60,000 difference at least in the price of those two cars, so no. Well, of course, the GT3 RS would be the perfect weapon for that sort of driving, it was purpose-built to be a track car. Do you use a screwdriver to hammer a nail?
jimmybean, you poseurs always bring up the Autobahn or the Nürburgring, pathetic trolls, wtf do you drive? Same to you Jonas, keep off the Tesla channels, I kill trolls for fun.
the most interesting thing about this video is what a difference the driver makes when drag racing
Actually, the battery was almost flat. 3:34.
@@PyroVesten That was most likely recorded after the race as you see no camera aimed at the dash when you see chris in view, also the acceleration Chris is describing; 130...140... is way faster than what the dash-aimed camera shows
i guarantee that the Tesla would had beaten the Porche again if they hadn't controlled the race.
"what a difference"? Yeah, if the other guy doesn't press the pedal that will make a difference too.
Driver input is a car mod
The 911 is more than twice the price and the TESLA is a four door car. A sedan is trashing a high end, almost a supercar vehicle. Just wait when the Roadster 2020 comes out lol
No one is comparing these two in terms of standstill acceleration. The nature of electric drivetrains favor that battle obviously. But have you ever wondered why there are no Nurburgring vids with Teslas? You can already tell in this video, they have narrow temperature levels for performance and they overheat. You can do as many laps of a track as your tank allows you to in a 911 or other combustion engines, in an electric you'll be lucky to do one. As impressive as Tesla is, they're not solving the universal issue with batteries overheating and losing efficiency by 2020. I'll stick with the combustion engine for a good 10-15 years more.
Kevin Arzola haven’t seen Tesla beat any Porsche on any race track anywhere in in the world.
What’s the Tesla time at the Nurburgring?
Oh yeah that’s right. It only lasted three minutes flat out.
Tesla is only good for one party trick and that’s a short drag race. And it can only do that once then you have to wait thirty minutes for the next one.
And don’t get me started on Tesla build quality.
Panel fit alone is atrocious.
Then there’s resale value.
F1, GT, GT2,GT3,, World endurance Championship,
Ferrari, Porsche, Toyota, Honda. Never seen Tesla win one of these races.
Never seen Tesla in the hills on a Sunday morning.
Seen every other performance car.
Me Ean the track doesn’t matter because it’s not a track car. That’s like saying you’ve never seen the Prius tow more than the F150
Kevin Arzola so how do you wanna grade your beloved Tesla?
The interior is worse than competitors, the quality isn’t great, quality control is garbage. The range is terrible compared to other rivals.
Philip sode the car is a daily driver that just happens to be straight in a line. You pushing it to go against super and beat supercars as well as track performance cars is actually a compliment to the Tesla
5:17 damn the whole rear of the car is shaking, really puts into perspective the forces these cars experience...
leberkas 7 its mainly from the car loosing and gaining traction.
leberkas 7 or just shitty euro engineering
British roads. Should try it sometime.
thats what you get with independent rear suspension. good for twisty's, but can't ever replace a live rear end at launches. No matter how much euro snobs pretend it's the greatest thing ever.
It's not really the suspension, but the traction control that causes the shaking.
If you choose the "mommy" option, does it actually take you to your mothers home?
Yeah that's in the next update
autopilot setting route to 'mom's house'
And if your mom is dead then it drives into a tree
kidynamite58 no bro.
@@xaiano794 I really wish there was an option to change the spelling of "mom" to "mum" (shudders...)
This guy is literally just a Dad you can never impress 😂
“You can go 120, NAH do better! I need 150”
it's a motoring channel fully based on performance. Not sure what you were expecting.
@@daniel6323 mystic has a point, on the road everything is about 0 to 60mph. its even the king to 120mph, who cares how quickly it goes from 120 to 150?
its a arbitrary test that they knew it would fail at, they have never tested any other car from 0 to 150. i think they should have done handling tests more, because it fails horrbly in those.
Daniel M wouldn’t hurt them to consider that this car was made for the masses, but they decided they wanted fast cars to be in production. It still doesn’t change the fact it’s a Sedan, not a race car.
It doesn’t matter who’s testing it, just understand the facts.
PS Not a Tesla Fanboy, just thought it wasn’t necessary to say it needed to go 150
@@sakuya9017 yeah same, im not into this whole culture of worshiping a company. i think its incredibly stupid.
in saying that, if i had the money i would def buy a model 3
5:08
Why would a damn Sedan go 170? Seriously, once you pay a little bit more attention to what this guy says, it’s clear he’s conflicted.
Just one thing... When you do the 0-150 test and the next one for that matter, the battery of the Tesla has less than 20% state of charge. In these conditions, the performance will be reduced (and you can see that in the "instrument cluster": there is a warning sign that the power is limited).
The P100D performs at its best when the battery is nearly full (and it consumes a s*load of electrons, too... Mind you, it still consumes less of that than either the i-Pace or the e-tron).
Didn't spot the cluster, but suspected it was a battery protection matter. No different to a phone, light or anything else.
Bla bla bla. Electric cars are still shite in comparison.
"Cooling" (charging) after just TWO drag races.
Only difference was the driver. I suspect the tesla owner was driving slower on purpose or he has no business in top gear.
@@Blood0cean Wait till 2020 lmao
Francis Galiegue well taking a naturally aspired MANUAL Porsche 911 isn't fair at all, wouldn't you think ? If they used a Porsche with a automatic transmission, this drag race would have had an entire different outcome, even up to 120mph, I call double standards that you Tesla Guy's want your cars to be raced in the best conditions, but don't care if the other car you race against is even suited or if it is comparable to it. The 911R as the R suggests is a car for racing and not made for drag strips at all, consider that. There are many Porsches that would beat the Tesla in a drag race, if you take them we can talk about the Tesla being tested in perfect conditions.
@@AOTanoos22 Don't you petrol nerds prefer manual tho ? Kinda dumb to test the vehicule in automatic if 99 % of you will want manual anyway.
I love watching Chris Harris' reviews. It's the road tests that matters to him. He genuinely says how he feels and not just what he wants you to hear. You can see his eyes and face actually compute what's happening when he is behind the wheel. Well done matey!
Richard O'Leary .. Yes and Chris was the first to call out the latest Land Rover Discovery as an ugly car, which it is....very! I admire that level of honesty in this corporate world.
ju kiwi He is a real driver! Find the Top Gear episode where he drives the Aston Martin Vulcan. Then watch his eyes as he absorbs everything that's going on....like a terminator T-800
Richard O'Leary is top gear moving back to sound consumer advice? Hahahaha
Qwerty Qwerty I do like the new GT show but Harris reminds me of when Top Gear was consumer advice with Tiff and Quintin used to do it.
Me too. Chris is a worthy castodian of Top Gear.
Top gear has always hated Tesla.
Every petrolhead in the world hate tesla, they are not cars but just smarphones with wheels.
Garolfa isn't every car coming out trying to be like Tesla???
we don't hate Tesla we hate Tesla fanboys i actually like electric cars .
That's probably the reason why they charged it to 8% to get power restrictions on that race :/
I'm a petrol head - currently run a 4litre v8 TVR - and I love how the electric car has gained ground in 10 years, the petrol car has had 150 years development - I giuess they will overtake petrol cars in the next 10 years for everyday motoring leaving all that petrol available to drive my TVR at the weekend
I think if you want a concise, entertaining and informative car review from someone who knows their onions, you're hard pushed to beat Chris Harris. I have a lot of respect for the guy.
I’m a huge Porsche fan but god he has to be more objective. Comparing a 100k salon to a top of the line sports car in acceleration? And when things don’t work out increase the test to 150? I doubt anyone would need that speed in their commute, and Tesla however fast a car wasn’t meant to be a racer. It’s capable, but it’s not what it’s built for. Top Gear has a history of biases against Tesla and electric cars in general but please do try harder to make a just a bit more subtle.
It was all in good fun, did he look serious to you?
Same thing with Porsche 911R. It clearly isn't built for only short drag races. it's built for driving experience such as handling corners at a race track. A Tesla can't do that. They overheat and goes to limp mode to prevent Battery damage due to overheating.
What he was pointing out with this is, that the Tesla is not built for top speed.
@@ShadowRomeo1784 then don't use the ludicrous mode just use sport. It won't be as fast but still works in what it was designed to be. a gaddamn FAMILY car
@@ILFforever A Family car with near 800 HP and 1000 NM of Torque. Just because it has 4 doors doesn't mean it is a family car. It's like saying a highly modified 4 Door Drag Cars you see on 1/4 Mile Tracks are family cars too.
To be fair, Chris, this is the first serious production electric car in modern history and it’s not even a purpose-built sports car. It’s a family sedan built by Silicon Valley nerds. Porsche has been building cars with IC engines for 87 years and, in their light weight high-end icon of a sports car, they can barely keep up with the nerds. Prepare yourself.
How much do you want to weigh a tesla? Maybe 2 tons when it is very light. A Porsche can weigh under 1400 kg if you do some tuning to it.
@@teasippingguy9316 gut the Tesla and then see which is faster
@@philipmario9809 gut? I think you mean tune, but you can't tune a tesla like put in a bigger turbo or just make it lighter with some carbonfiber parts if you have 1,4 tons of batteries under your ass to move that vehicle (a regular motor weighs about 250 kg
@@teasippingguy9316 who cares, the tesla will beat the porsche even if it only has 4 weels and a motor.
@@teasippingguy9316 by gut i mean remove eveyrthing you dont need from the interior , like seats , belts and so on, this should make the car lighter and probably decrease the 0-100 time
One of Top Gear's main funder is Shell so they try there hardest to hate on it. I drive one and it beats fossil fuel cars in all catagoties, handling, braking, steering and luxury (it's quiet). They said cheap leather but it's not even leather it's polyurethane which feels amazing and is much more durable. Can't for there video on the new Roadster, hopefully they grow some sense and realize electric cars are the future.
Sure, just the thing to cross country with. What with the charging stations everywhere. Which are powered by coal fired power stations. Oh wait, that's right - there are not charging stations everywhere. And it takes 5 minutes to fill a gas tank. And a lot longer to full charge a 4 door electric forklift truck.
That said, I can count the amount of times I have supercharged my tesla on two hands. Usually I plug it in as I arrive home at night, and wake up to a full battery (this process takes 30 sec if you're really slow). I have a 22kW charger at home, so just 5 hours of charging leaves me with a full battery (if it's completely flat). Haven't needed service in the 88000km of road I've driven, can't really say the same for my old car. Had a volkswagen which cost me a fortune in repairs, due to a broken DSG gearbox.
Also I live in Denmark, making that old "coal fired power stations" argument absolute rubbish.
Yes it's not perfect, cars have flaws, but it's so much better than anything else I have driven. :)
yeah honestly, electric cars make so much more sense for every day life, who drives over 300 mile every day? not many. Never have to go to smelly crowded gas station, just plug it in when you get home and fill it up cheaply.
producing and transporting electricity is more efficient than producing and transporting gasoline all over the country. much less energy is wasted.
Gasoline is piped around the country. And the range of a Tesla varies SOLELY on how you drive it. Hit the go pedal one to many times and your rage is rapidly lowered. Again - speak to ANY Tesla owner in a large city about their Range Anxiety. Many people drive 150 miles or more in a day - many of those miles are far from any charging station and it takes 5 minutes to fill a gas tank - not so much for recharging a battery powered car. The car is a novelty at best, and an expensive cheaply made novelty at that. When not in performance mode, the Tesla is just big heavy Prius.
haha piped around the country? no. they're piped to big storage tanks, then tankers bring them to gas stations. i see my local gas station get a big tanker every week. smells lovely.
Most people don't drive 150 miles or more in a day, if you go to the federal highway administrations website and locate their data on actual drivers: www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar8.html then you'll realize that people only drive about 36 miles per day on average. so just charge it at home every night and forget about it; use power chargers on long trips when needed. most Tesla owners get over their so called "range anxiety".
the base teslas are pretty quick in the standard driving mode, i've seen it and felt it, don't even compare them to a prius lol
you're simply scared of the future and whats to come, don't worry you'll have no choice soon enough :D
3:03 It's a one trick pony? Oh sure Chris,
It can only run a drag race, seats 5 people, can carry a ton of luggage, extremely safe, drives itself, parks itself and receives updates over the internet.
Yeah but the e63s estate costs less, sounds amazing, has just as much... if not more cargo room, can park itself, partial autopilot that DOESN'T KILL YOU and will also seat 5 people comfortably and is way faster in the long run. Weird arguement if you ask me
and never ever needs a service interval.
@@dzerres fair point
@@hazzaknox1069 the e63s estate burns gasoline. That has to stop. The world is on fire - well, large sections of it are, and the oceans are heating up at an alarming rate. Take this seriously.
Colin Fox cars aren’t the problem. It’s the factories
This kind of reminds me of when the old top gear reviewed the Camaro, they had it up against some Mercedes that cost 3 or 4 times as much.
This wasnt much of a comparison because if it was they would have compared track times because that Porsche was built for that, and not to go fast in a straight line. It just looked like fun little test against something that is known to be fast, and Im pretty sure entire bloody world knows by now that p100D is very fast from 0-60 and would beat that Porsche easily.
It was an E63, which was 1,5 times as expensive (48 thousand vs 72 thousand) but Richard said "it is twice the car" because have the same engine size (6.2 litre) but it was faster, used less fuel, much more practical and better built. That was slightly different
David García in america you could get a Camaro for $30k, it was a stupid comparison and nobody price shops the two. Do you think anyone went damn I was gonna get the Camaro but I’m gonna spring for the merc now?
Still, the Camaro is crap compared to a Mercedes, so.
You know the p100d cost £130,000 right?
The Model S is also a 5-seater family sedan, that weighs over 4,900lbs.
Can't wait to see what they have to complain about when the Roadster 2.0 comes out.
James Bevins Since its American, they will try hard to find something to complain about.
If it does the Nurburgring track in 6min 30sec that'll get their attention big time.
Expensive probably
James Bevins That will be game over.
It's electric and doesn't have engine sound is all the reason a person needs to hate it
My oh my I’ve never really liked Tesla.. but I had the privilege of riding in a Tesla Model S 90d a few days ago.. holy crap these things are no joke.. it was fast as hell. Can’t imagine the 100d
THIS PROGRAM WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY: SHELL CORPORATION
Moneyandtime Freedom I can guarantee you that Chris was not told to say by Shell. That’s a conspiracy theory.
@@mercurion1000 how are you gonna guarantee that ? do you have access to their meetings ?
Choice777 smh
@mercurion1000 how are you guarantee something like that?
fake news
"and now I'm doing a 170, he can't do that" 😂 rekt
this didnt age well... top speed of the plaid is 210mph
I love how people get all worked up about Teslas racing supercars. You guys do realize that the Model S is not meant for racing? It's a luxury electric car that happens to be able to run like hell because of its great engineering. You wanted racing cars, Musk is giving you racing cars. The new Roadster will demolish every car ever made.
Absolutely a great point. I wish I said that !!!
Well said.
LOL😂😂😂 These guys will be in tears when the Roadster come out.
For the record the way an electric motor works just means it spins up quicker and will be faster off the line than an equivalent petrol car. Its nothing especially unique about Tesla that makes their cars have this crazy fast acceleration, its the same with all electric cars to some extent. Even something like an i3, not at all built for speed, has this to some extent.
75% of people can't afford most high performance cars.
Thirteen minutes of a guy trying and trying and trying really hard to write a bad review about Tesla. And failing.
RAINE not used to British pessimism huh
Haha, sadly I'm a Brit myself. I just thought they might have learned their lesson from Jeremy Clarkson's old infamous Tesla review.
It was so weird to watch. He was amazed by the acceleration but then on the next try it suddenly wasnt as good. Its so obvious that is just bias bullshit.
or maybe, just maybe, accelleration isnt everything?
This is exactly it! And concluded after speeding down a windy bumpy road that the car made his passenger's sick... Could it be they've never driven passengers that fast down the road before?
Some cheap leather? Chris, you've spent too much time in supercars on your gorgeous alcantara. Most of us are still repping second/third-owner piss-stained cloth XD
He's comparing it to other cars with the same price though. In a car that expensive there shouldn't be "cheap leather"
@@bjorntenjepersson4999 its because its "vegan leather"
Dont forget in the UK a lot of the cost of this car is tax. A lot of these design and material choices make much more sense when 40% cheaper, i.e. in the US
The Model S with Ludicrous mode is $116,000.
While that is a lot, it’s way less than most other supercars.
I don't even have a car
Cannot wait to see him Drive the Plaid +
I know right.
Only a 0-120 machine, well, one that can fit 5+2 people and has huge storage and has not the main goal of being fast.
If you compare sports cars against sports cars then wait for the roadster...
And it only takes yout 10 minutes to cool down or heat up the batterie and press 10 buttons until you are ready to go.
Only if you want the max performance which it isn't really designed to do. Its more of a party trick, you don't have to do all that crap to drive it normally. I would be interested to see the performance figures for it in "regular mode" or whatever they are calling the mode that gets decent range and doesn't damage the machinery.
Beats super cars and hyper cars to 100mph, beats most if not all luxury vehicles for NVH and ease of driving, matches or beats most family saloons for seating and luggage room. But it's not got an ICE so it sucks, apparently!... I'm a big fan of ICE, but I'm not dumb enough to think that they have any future in mass produced vehicles. They WILL be relegated to the purely enthusiast performance cars, and that's a good thing!
If you can use a smart phone, you can surely use the Tesla's screen.
David Hill it's not moot if it matters to buyers
Chris acts like an old man at the atm. Starring at the keypad like it's from outer space.
Yes he seems to be following a script, written by others with vested interests elsewhere
well, he was hired to replace an old man and isn't half as good at it.
He does it with a lot of cars... Like in BMW'S as well...
klemens d have you actually ever watched any other car reviews by Chris? He’s miles ahead of Clarkson when it comes to knowledge of cars plus add in that he’s twice the driver Clarkson is.
Whistling K9, he’s a shill for the ICE industry. if he says the electrics are better, his next job is waiting tables.
@ 3.03 "One trick pony" Really? It's pretty much the antithesis of that. Five seats, quiet, trunk, and faster than almost anything on the road.
how is having seats, a trunk and being quiet a trick? i mean an m5 has all of those things and its quiet for highway driving etc, not as quiet obviously?
@@Fragz96 Not as fast as the Tesla
@@gotham61 thats its 1 and only trick though, is its 0-100 as i said. Take both around a track and the m5 will win. My point is how is having 5 seats, a trunk and being quiet also a trick. They're not and so it is just a 1 trick pony
@@Fragz96 I guess you're not very familiar with English idioms. "One trick pony" implies that the car can only do one thing well. The Tesla is pretty much the exact opposite of that. In addition to beating pretty much anything off the line, unlike most supercars, it can carry you and your family and luggage on holiday in comfort, or take you to the Home Depot to pick up five 15 pound bags of charcoal briquettes for your barbecue. It's is not, and was never intended to be, a sports car.
gotham61 that’s exactly what he’s arguing
3:40 - Not being overtaken until you're travelling 150 mph is not the same as reaching 150 mph first. The 911 was faster to all speeds greater than 110 mph, because that's where it started catching up.
Finally someone with some sense!
Ok but still lost lmao
@@flavioa6351 I think we’ve found a member of the other group
@@flavioa6351 Agreed, the Porsche still lost.
Coming back to this video again three years later.. glad someone had a common science sense. I made a similar comment (three years ago) .. that the 911 was faster than the Tesla when the Tesla hit 150 MPH. Apparently people don't get that. .. SMH..
Only good to 125mph? Lol It's a family car, not a supercar Porsche 911R. That's like comparing a BMW S1000R to a Goldwing and detracting the Goldwing for beating the BMW in the 1/4 mile. Apples to Oranges. Now can the Porsche hold 5 adults and a large amount of luggage in the back and auto-drive itself? No. I'm not even into Tesla, but we are going to be able to thank them for pushing other manufacturers to step up their game in even just a few short years. Good for them. Meanwhile, I'll still be saving for the 918. :P
Brent Anthony p1 is faster and cooler. Js
Skyler Blizard 918 has a faster Nurburgring lap time.
Brent Anthony yeah ,it also is awd and electric so it produces max torque instantly. It loses power at the higher rpms where the "conventional" petrol cars destroy it. A complete fest of useless numbers over actual performance,just to lure in all the clueless idiots that judge a car from its brochure. Still though ,i appreciate its excistence as something different that will actually keep the internal combustion engine alive if you think about it.
125mph is absolutely pathetic for having 500-700hp or so. A 90's Corolla can do that.
Brent Anthony it can do like two rides on 0-120 before 10min circles for cooling.
At this point I think you can buy e63 wagon And it will be fast everytime, not after 10buttons
The bias is unbelievable. Top gear still can't believe Tesla still lives :D
Well it's a review everything is biased on the person reviewing it.
just shows your bias
Kracus Omniax if you're loving creature and you think you're biased.
Love how they run it down to very low battery power so it has limited power delivery
Right cus low petrol runs slower too... wait it doesn't?
Electric is still shite.
"Cooling" (charging) after 2 drag races from a sports car?
Pathetic.
@@Blood0cean it's not a sports car! Wait for roadster!
@@Blood0cean Gonna give you some hate: There is no advantage of owning a combustion engine car. NOT a SINGLE ONE.
@@janjamscikov3937 well, say, if I didn't want to spend money on a backyard pool... And I was near the beach... Then...
@@janjamscikov3937 weight, handling, heat soaking, road trips that don't force a 30 minute - hour long stop. The ability to tune your car how you want it, ability to modify your car. I can go on if you want man, but they aren't there yet. And those are just objective things, subjectively not being able to drive a manual for me, but I'm sure they will sort something out like the jesko in the next couple of years.
It's so weird seeing a car accelerating so fast without hearing a sound😂🧐🤔
am i the only one who thinks chris was trying to be as negative as possible in the nicest way? come on it is a family car with no cost of maintenance and one that be recharged and used almost infinitely, it is smarter than any other car, has more space than any car and weighs as much as a 7 series. Also people from EU and USA might not know this but the cost of maintenance of a german or italian luxury car in other countries is tremendous. And tesla completely eliminates those costs.
"no cost of maintenance" isn't true, when you take a car for a service they don't only look at the engine. This car will chew through brakes and tyres with all that weight, the suspension will also have a hard time. I also wonder how long the battery pack will actually last. Recharged and reused almost infinitely in reality just isn't going to happen.
These lithium batteries have a 15 shelf life.
regenerative braking
Barry Gizzard , look into what regenerative braking is. It's the same thing that helps bring down the maintenance costs on the Tesla Semi.
Ok, maybe it wont chew through the brakes :)
When patrol fanboys want to deny the future they change the goal posts. "0 to 100 mph doesn't matter anymore it has to be 0 to 150 mph!"
0-to-150mph was a thing long before EVs made a splash. The future is not EVs. The future is ICE and EVs. ICE future is going to stay especially with CNG and hydrogen fuels making more gains.
Krytern UK it still beat the 911 all the way to 150mph with almost no charge in the battery. What a bunch of losers!
alkhan2
Actually it lost at 111mph.
Even with with a fully charged battery, it will still lose a 0-150mph drag race to a 911.
The folks at Motortrend analyzed the Telsa's acceleration curve, and yes it's rate of acceleration was slowing down and lost a full 1g of acceleration in 4 seconds.
So even in that famed 2.3 sec 0-60 run, it was already slowing down 0.5 seconds after launch.
No matter. The new Tesla Roadster will do 0-250 quicker than anything else. Even with a hundred year headstart ICE can't win.
That depends on how much progress Panasonic has made in increasing the energy density of their batteries.
This should have been tested on the motorway. One of the things that has taken me by total surprise is how insanely pleasant it is to overtake on the motorway when you have all of the power available right away.
It's a motorway / highway machine, it just chews up the miles and I'm literally more rested when i arrive at my destination, than when i entered the car. Autopilot works great on the motorway, you just sit there basically.
There is a white one of these lives around the corner from me and I have to say everytime I see it I am captivated by how it oozes charisma. And I am a petrol head but if cost was no issue would choose one over most cars especially after this review 👍
What's the DougScore ???
i know there will be a doug score comment in here mate lol
Guy Incognito so what's the Doug score is how your supposed to do it.
Skyler Blizard Well, since I started it I am allowed to alter it however I please! 😉👍
Did Top Gear not script a breakdown this time?
Well, not exactly but the bias against electric is still there
They talked as much trash about ti as they could.. not much.
You Tesla fangirls just refuse to admit any faults with Teslas huh? Did you even watch the video. He praised it and respected it for it's initial acceleration.
Ha, well given all the videos out there showing Tesla owners and the problems they have with their cars, can you really tell if they staged it or not?
Loui Coleman let's sue the bbc
Kk
I am both a top gear fan AND a tesla fan, which some people seem to think is heresy. to all the annoying tesla fanboys: own up to the fact that it isn`t perfect and there are problems with it! to all the tesla haters: own up to the fact that it does many things better than all your beloved gas guzzlers! it is greener on every energy grid, it is incredible at the stoplights by beating bugattis to 60, it has superior storage space, but it also does have a pretty cheap interior and it doens`t cope with the winter as well as gas cars, and .... should I go on? jeez why are there so many childish imbecils on both sides of this arument who won`t listen to the other side!
I think people really forget that the Tesla was designed specifically to leverage the massive RPM range of the motor. By not having gears a LOT of otherwise needed hardware can be left out (that means it isn't there to wear out and cost time and money down the line). The reason it slows down at the higher speeds is because the motor is leaving it's power band, the reason it's so fast off the line is because it's starting in a high gear ratio and taking advantage of that electric torque.
So when Chris says the ICE comes good at speeds over 120mph, he really means the transmission.
The battery was literally dead before he started.
dumbasses should have charged it smh
You say 'literally dead', but I don't think you know what that means.
And? It depletes fast anyway. No repetitive top figures.
Have you ever heard of editing?
@@vegardpig8634 Took too long time recharging. Couldn't wait.
Really hope we get to see him drive the Tesla roadster someday. That thing is insane.
1.9 secs actually
wait till it comes out and see not to mention there be faster cars still by 2020
A-K that 4 second figure was 100 MILES PER HOUR which is 160kph.
So yes, 0-160kph in 4 seconds is insane.
WOULDN'T YOU RATHER DRIVE IT YOURSELF?
Robert Blackford you could say the exact same thing about a gas vehicle
I'm dissapointed no mention of the balance of the car or the roadholding. i know its a heavy car, but the perfect weight distribution and double wishbone suspension (good camber curves) make for a nice drivers car. I think tesla's suspension tuner is a genius.
they need good suspension and 20-22 inch wheels because tesla are very heavy cars
Tuner is lotus.
You can't fight physics. That's like expecting an fat person to beat Usain Bolt just because the fat guy is wearing the world's most high tech track suit and running shoes. Same problem the Veyron had.
And 2 years later, he loves he model 3 performance
So much so that he bought one after that review.
You cant be this bias in the modern era of the internet. People know what your doing. Tesla is the future, and their's nothing top gear can do about it.
It is so easy to say somebody is biased just because someone think different way. Nobody really look and think "why he have that opinion?". Chris Harris is a race driver and I understand why he thinks like that. He is impressed about acceleration, but other way its really limited dynamical and even technology is step above, platform is already old.
Maybe not Tesla specifically, but alternative fuel cars for sure.
If a company uses youtube influencer advertising, then its Tesla. I suspect Chris also of being a bit "influenced" by Tesla, as he not a second mentioned the poor range when driving fast.
Chris, “I slightly ignore the whole Tesla thing because it scares me” @25 sec. Chris needs his mommy...
weizenobst müsli, Hey all cars are like that. Bugatti gets 40 miles per tank, 22 gallons going 250 mph. That’s because the wind resistance is squared the faster you go. Try holding your arm straight outside the window at 120mph, you can’t.
Harris is a spectacular driver, he has a second sense of feel for any car he sits in that most drivers (even pro's) don't have. He is a true enthusiast who has learned to adopt his wide scope of driving skills to anything he gets his hands on and would give any of the old presenters a run around any day. My most respected car show presenter nowadays. 10/10
stop yapping old man and go to bed
The Porsche's gearbox won, not the internal combustion engine.
MuitoDaora it's a manual, not PDK
Abhishek Shinde i think it’s the fact that a Porsche has a gearbox is what MuitoDaora meant. If a tesla had a gearbox, game over. Supposedly the new roadster may have a gearbox, that would be sick
MuitoDaora The R is a manual. Currently combustion engines are better once you get beyond the first 100mph.
MuitoDaora I.C.E is 100% real no fake engineering work, and that Tesla guys are lazy cuz they dont have the balls to build one!
Quacktics are Go forgive me if I’m wrong, but I think that’s only because tesla decided they didn’t need to include a gearbox with the car
Chris Harris has brought my respect back to top gear. I love the three, but I now have two great car shows to watch now. Two is always better than one👏🏻
2:17 ohhh!! love that noise from 911 and then how Tesla carries on in silences
Why do people always forget that model s is not just a performance car. It can seat 5 people with a crap load of luggage. The Porsche is first and foremost a performance car.
Parth Upmanyu because Tesla fanboys choose to compare them with performance cars when's it suits them. Just like Musk calling the S a rival to the S Class to suit sales figures
07Corcaigh Its a rival to the S Class because they are in the same market. Actually, the Tesla Model S is surpassing S Class sales, crazy as it may sound. I noticed more people against Tesla compare it to a performance car, not the other way around
Adnan Alladin..no they not the s class is way ahead in sales
It is a performance car. It's an electric muscle car to be precise. Something like a Charger Hellcar. Cheap car with oversized engine.
@Adnan Alladin
Model S is not S-class competitor. It's way too cheaply build to be one.
sic22l Its in the same market. Regardless of how u feel on the build quality it is still in the luxury sedan market
i just get the feeling he doesnt want to like it. could be wrong.
atheosxgaming It's not a drivers car, 1 trick drag monster.
I kinda get that feeling too, much as I love Chris. And technically, sports cars are the one trick ponies, the Tesla can match them on the drag strip and still function as an everyday car, that's two tricks at least.
I don’t the show but all I can say is that review is not objective at all. The Tesla is the best sedan, hands down
For 130 grand, it's also in a weird segment of the market. And they depreciate like rocks.
They just need to improve the interior on it
I'm a huge Porsche fan, but I want Chris to do this comparison again with the Tesla Roadster when it is released.
Still waiting huh?
Lmao roadster isn’t coming any time soon. The top spec spacex package of the roadster is rumoured to do 0-100 in 1.1 seconds though 😳
@@minder01 LoL. Not on time of course. :D
@@nikolaaa5988 Nope. Not known for being punctual in manufacturing. lol
@@foggyblues13 Tesla roadster 0-60mph: 5 years and counting.
Wait a minute.
The Tesla Model S 100D is not cheap, but you can buy 5 of them or so for one 911 R.
Considering that despite the price difference, the Model S beats the 911 R on all counts except for the 150 mph test with experienced driver, that is quite interesting, isn't it ?
Also, that Tesla has almost 300hp more than the 911
M Heisenberg the roadster 2020’s 1.9s is a conservative time. Zombie 222s aren’t in mass production. They won’t be as available as the roadster 2020 will be.
I actually wish they compared it to an M5 competition. Much more in-line on price and type of car.
Ouch, other car companies are making electric cars now. Gas are running out, people who hate electric cars will drive one or their kids will drive one
Rob Dekker what I find interesting is how people only look at the 0-60 time. There are infinitely more factors to consider when determining which is not only the faster, but better car.
The sound of the porsche 😍
felix Laprise I have a porch
P O R S C H E
P O R S C H E
S O U N D
The sound of pork
Dat Avantime!
So much for objective journalism
yea i mean if a 4-door sedan can only beat a 2-door super(expensive)car from 0-120mph, that's no good. especially given that the UK which is TopGear's home has a max speed limit of 70mph, so all those lamborghini's and porsche's will just keep overtaking you at 120mph. /sarcasm
"Traffic light Grand Prix." Love it.
So he had to do 150mph to beat the car that does 400miles for £25 and has space for the family?
Odd.
He really hates Tesla, he'll only be driving electrics in 5 years maybe he'll hate his job :D
Stephen Rowe And how much time does that 400 mile drive take? Or the Re-charging afterwards aswell.
Sad actually, they ran it with a depleted battery. The Model S would have pulled ahead otherwise.
Alberto Klocker The Tesla over-heated aswell 😂🤣😂🤣
@FrontRowe you electric fan boys really are a bunch of wankers
9:08 ... but which steering setting did you have it on?
12:24 ... but which suspension setting did you have it on?
none of that is going to change anything...
the suspension setting doesn't change much but the steering setting surprisingly changes the feel dramatically
No, it doesn't, there is no feedback at all at any setting.
@@farhanbillah5423 how the fuck would u know u don't own one. U don't know anyone that does.
As much as i love American cars this is the best specimen of American automobile technology yet
I'm happy with that lol
Feb. 2020
Tesla Roadster vs ...pretty much anything else,
“Well, that’s that.” 😂😂😭😂😭😭😂😂😭
The roadster might just be the most overhyped white good the world has ever seen
The Grand Tour season 2 is here!!
Okay I'll go
Atharva Dhekne yes the grand tour
Chris, I love your videos but you are ignorant of the properties of an electric car in this segment. I would have hoped you did a little more research. It doesn't look like you ever activated launch mode which is what enables an extra 100 Nm+ of torque in the low end and the whole reason for preconditioning the battery. It's designed for single runs at a time - hence the narrow temperature operating point. If you had left the pre-heating off, you could have done multiple normal runs back to back without such strict temperature control. Also, in your 0-150mph run the cluster shows 68 miles of range. With the pack that low on charge, power is severely limited above 60mph. If you repeated that run at full charge the 911R would lose by an aircraft carrier length.
wow. our future transportation looks so complicated.
I agree with u 100 percent. Top Gear has no idea about electric car in general. Let alone on how to maximize Tesla performance.
Wan, it's "complicated" if you want every bit of power out of it. Same with most hypercars etc. They all have launch modes etc., some even have double keys for max speed.
So she can only win when he tummy is full? Fascinating.
And the tesla will continuously get murderd by the Porsche at any high speed acceleration..We dont even need a noble Porsche..it could even be rape by a Nissan lol...its just for a few seconds thanks to some stupid bunch of battery pack that are supposed to run some laptops..nobodys gonna call that shit a car lol..its just a battery pack tied on to 4 wheels lol..it should drag race with a vacuum cleaner or an iphone charger
3:26 its a lot better when it has 85% or more battery, just sayin..
@@vangledosh fun fact, a ice car with 5% left in the tank would be as fast or faster, you all preach tesla and refuse to look at the shortcomings
@@TristanSilverwood Because it weighs 30 kg less? Oh come on, that's irrelevant. But battery voltage is VERY relevant. A charged Tesla will noticably beat an empty one. Same goes for the Porsche Taycan.
First bit is like me explaining how to send a Whatsapp mesaage to my grandma.
check out 3:27 -- they did the drag race when the Tesla's battery was at frickin 8% and it still blew the doors off that Porsche. Your bias is showing, guys.
and it's not like they ran the battery down driving it aggressive -- a quarter mile blast at full throttle only uses about 2% of the battery.
They did overheat it though. Let's face it, in the model S that mode is a gimmick, not practical. I'll be interested to see how they combat the issue of battery temp in the new roadster.
do you mean warm the batteries? that only gets you a tenth of a second. it's still 2.5 seconds 0-60 from any random stoplight with no warning. it will still, without warming the battery, blow away every other car on the road.
Dan Reynolds no I was talking about the runs overheating the batteries and the car going into limp mode until they cool back down. I’m sure Tesla is addressing it in the roadster, just curious how many heat exchangers it will need
where do they say it went into limp mode?
man this car has won all kinds of awards, motor trend car of the year, government safest car ever, , consumer digest awards, foward movng technology, and the list goes on and on, yet the british refuse to give it it's prop's. It was so obvious he was trying not to praise it and ended it with "they are going to be sick". I have never heard of any owner saying they have gotten sick in there.
Because blind marketing and bold claims don't work on the other side of the pond.
Or maybe it really just has quite mediocre suspension? Have you ever considered that?
because tesla fans are worse than android fanboys
Because he's bias and was driving like a puntz.
Chris was almost airborne at 150mph. The guy was like literally paddle shifting with the traditional stick gear in the 911 R, beating Tesla at the last. The guy is a legend!
I mean the Tesla is always at the first gear (or none), Chris was changing gears many times like speed multiplier to beat Tesla at the end.
If you'd have to have one single car, it really is unbeatable. Nothing is as practical, comfortable and fast at the same time.
The veyron is
Lineage2Ertheia yes but that car is 1.5 million dollars
@@Lineage2ErtheiaPvP the Veyron's not as practical as an Model S.
Audi RS4/6 but yes i agree
if you have a car that runs out of battery faster than it charges, unless you want to take the bus the tesla cannot be your only car.
Also you get more power from the Tesla at 100% charge. This was about 25% charge
A bit uneducated of them to test it at such low charge. I kinda get it that they'd want to make it look as bad as possible, as usual...
Esa Edvik They even let it cool down because it can be fast only once. Sure, they were soooooo critical.
Esa Edvik
No, they probably just went at it like any other car.
And most other cars aren't that bothered whether the tank is full, half full or 1/3 full.
people never mention its the safest car in the world...
according to whom?
drivemag.com/news/how-safe-are-tesla-cars-5-facts-and-myths-explained
Actually its the model 3. xD Model S is 2nd and Model X is 3rd.
Inigo Freed
Probably because it’s not.
They're being very careful not to make it look good
For an EV company that started about 17yrs ago. Not too shabby considering the competition with petrol car manufacturers. Also the fact that petrol engines have been the main focus in cars for over 100 yrs. Not to say there wasn't an EV 100 yrs ago, but... "we" discarded the idea for certain reasons, as well as some of the more modern technologies really didn't exist at that time. I am looking forward to EV's in the future. Not having to stop in the morning or evening for petrol! Just get home and plug it in! I like that concept. I do realize there are down falls to EV's at the current time. But 100yrs from now, just think how more efficient it could be! Lets keep EV progress and evolution alive!
Love Chris Harris but honestly, wait for the Tesla Roadster. This isn't really a sports car. It's a 4 door family saloon that munches hypercars. The roaster is Tesla's sports car.
...but we just saw how 911R munched it and how that Tesla is embarrassingly struggled to reach 150mph and now it had to cook the batteries first and how they overcooked shorty after.
I wonder how will tesla super cars will be
dash3dot Buddy the 911 has decades of engineering perfection behind it. Tesla has just began spreading it's wings. There was a time when electric cars even struggled to reach 60 mph. This Tesla car does 60 mph in 2.3 secs. Wait for what more stuff Elon Musk pulls out of his hat. Tesla is already making a lot of loud supercars irrelevant and they havn't even released a proper racing car yet. So I would choose my words carefully while judging a Tesla. They are doing revolutionary stuff.
@@rivostain There is absolutely NOTHING revolutionary in their cars. 100+ years old tech in a modern materials gravy. Wake up.
dash3dot It's better to keep your mouth shut than making a stupid comment and letting the world know of your stupidity. So 100 years back...there were electric cars that could do 0-60 mph in 2.3 secs and with that big range?
Here's a thought. Since we are comparing two cars with two completely different market segments and two different design goals, let's now take the two cars and give them to a family of 4 with the instructions to get the kids to school, do the grocery shopping, get the kids to cheerleading, soccer, band, etc. practices, and do it every day for a month.After all...fair is fair.
Dan Detweiler To be fair to the review, the internet isn't exactly on fire with the cargo capacity specs.
Hype over Tesla is based in performance first and foremost. That's what they prefaced in this video and that's what they reviewed.
clutchthepearls That might be the hype of some but people are buying them as utility family sedans. That is their market segment. Super car aficionados aren't the one's forking out the money for Model S for the most part.
so youre honestly gonna argue that a 180k$ car is an everyday family car? Lol ok
Dan Detweiler And yet, the talk is all about the performance. Again, that talk is what they prefaced in this review and what they reviewed.
But again, I say that the "talk" isn't what is buying the cars, nor is it the target market for the car. Apples to apples...
First, you’re comparing a sedan against a sports car which you have to do to even come close in performance specs. Quickness in the real world of every day driving is always more useful than top speeds. Especially over 120 mph!
And second, you mention several times the price of the Model S but not the $184,900 that’s the 911R 2016 MSRP.
Plus you didn’t even need to go into ludicrous plus mode to beat the 911R in the quarter mile, just ludicrous mode would have been fine which would not require waiting for the battery to heat up or cool down.
Any Tesla vehicle would never get a fare review on top gear, there bias towards ice cars is the whole basis of the show.
Tesla is a sports car. An electric muscle car to be specific. Electric Hellcat equivalent - cheap and shitty car with stupidly oversized engine. Nothing else. And tonnes of marketing. They did nothing new but oversize the drivetrain to the limit and cut cost everything else.
No marketing at all. Ever seen a Tesla advert? No. They don't advertise. The journalists don't like them because they refuse to line their pockets. They're the biggest selling product in the history of stuff because they produce a compelling product, not because of "tonnes of marketing".
They don't advertise in the old way, they build a semi-religious community and focus on experiences, sort of like Apple does.
scienceofrevenue.com/tag/tesla-marketing-strategy/
sic22l bullshit. They don't 'build' anything other than cars and chargers. They publicly announce product plans and roadmaps. A few years later the announced products are available for pre order and the specs are better in every way than the planned products. A year or two later they start deliveries, and again, the specs are better than promised. That's not building a religion. Scientology is building a religion.
That's a limited edition, very special car you are talking about. It's obviously going to cost you and, going by the resale prices($400k/600k), its MSRP was also very good.
"it's only a 0-120 car, that's all"
What? It's a family sized sedan vs a sports car. This video is idiotic.
plus: add a gearbox to the tesla and the porsche wont be able to catch up.
@@drkastenbrot You dont need a gearbox with electric car
@@snesko97 yes and no - for normal driving, the rpm range (and flat torque curve) of an electric motor is far superior to what an ICE can do. However, at high electric motor rpm, the power losses become quite significant, which is why they get overtaken by traditional sports cars.
Simply add a gearbox (two or three gears would probably be enough) and you get a flattened power curve even at very high speeds, crushing anything an ICE can do.
A family sedan that has a price range of 150k USD and near 800 HP with near 1000 NM of torque. Yeah, definitely sounds like a "Family Vehicle" to me. More like Performance Sedan that is built to do well on 1/4 Mile races. And that's it. Only that short straight line drag races. You can't even track it without it going in to limp mode. A Audi RS7 can handle Nurburgring Nordschleife very well without overheating. A Tesla can't.
Except that a budget sedan will happily do 120-150mph. For such an expensive car, one would expect it to go faster and get to that speed a lot quicker too
Just in from my test drive of a brand new Model S P100D I considered trading my Opel Insignia 2.0 Turbo 4x4 in on.
All my passengers are in need of a chiropractor and Tesla will get the bill on that. Infotainment is mega, although sound is on par with my Opel Insignia. The silence in the cabin is awesome but my Insignia with BOSE noise cancelling isn’t bad either, no noise really, just pleasant sound.
The seats in the Opel obliterates the ones in the Tesla.
The Tesla obliterates the Opel in acceleration, but the driving dynamics in the Opel at half the price of the P100D is far more communicative and inspiring.
The depreciation of this P100D I expect to be around double the Opel, simply because it’s double the price. That in conjunction with the higher price point makes me smile at the thought of how many liters of premium gasoline I can refill (at any location) my Opel with, before I get to spend more on owning and driving my Opel as opposed to recharging the expensive Tesla, plus the coupe of the Opel is a very-very nice place to be.
Verdict:
Keeping my Opel as my daily with money left in my pocket for refueling my 911’s when I get the need for speed.
Ha remember when top gear tried to kill tesla
Andrew Mitchell that’s because shell (a PETROL COMPANY) is top gear’s main sponsor
The roadsters they were given were fully charged
moby gamer exactly
Andrew Mitchell now that shell isn’t sponsoring them, They love electric cars in the Grand Tour
moby gamer oh, cool. Thanks for the insight. Now I understand why they seem to like the car.
On dear, the Tesla can beat every hypercar only to 120. I guess they'd better go back to the drawing board then. /sarcasm
Not trying to be a smartass, but the 911 R is a sportscar.
@@ajw1045 exactly - beyond the launch from ~0-40 mph, the Tesla can barely hang with a 400 horsepower car. This car can't hang with the big boys.
It's not meant to be a hypercar. Also: when you're out driving these machines, were can you go beyond 120 mph / 190 kph? That's going to be either Autobahn or circuit (and Tesla's HATE the track lol).
911r isnt even a super car it's a great car but no super car any arial atom could blow away the tesla and i wouldnt even call that a hyper car
@@xSwaghettiYolonesEx Have you? Numpty
The crew got motion sickness because they were probably not looking out the windows. When range is no longer and issue there will be not reason not to drive an EV.
fun? sound? weight? I'll gladly drive an EV to work, but please let me have my Miata for the weekends :)
@@chuckyfox9284 teslas are more fun for me, the g forces are insane
you can tell he's trying not to like but he can't help it
Yea totally 12:12
He prefers the 911. Who wants to drive a laptop on wheels? Nerds.
@Ron Samba The Tesla isn't any "greener" than the Porsche. Just because it doesn't drink gasoline when driving doesn't mean it's more green.
There's FAR more pollution in making an electric car over an ICE car.
And *most* of the power for charging an electric car comes from polluting power stations.
For now in 2019, and maybe a few years onward, the ICE is greener.
Not forever though.
@@sortaanonymouslaex9564 Everything you just said was completely wrong
@@ktfjulien SortaAnonymous Alex
is right. Batteries are so expensive because it takes massive lot of cheap dirty energy to produce from mine to finished product.
He’s trying so hard to put the Tesla down. It’s not a bloody sports car.
Black Thunder but musk promotes it as one. Look he can do 0-60 in 2 seconds which is completely irrelevant for a family car BUT LOOK ITS SO FAST HURR DURR
That's just the way electric cars are, it's not promoted as a sports car, it's promoted as a luxury car. Which just so happens to be able to go faster than far more expensive sports cars. I mean, if it can go that quick, then why not promote it?
Well, it's "top GEAR". The whole ICEV world hates Tesla.
ExeKuTioN Cro - talking about the speed doesn't make it a sports car. He's just proving that this family sedan is NOT inferior to gasoline cars simply because it's electric. You gasoline fanboys are just looking for every way possible to make fun of an electric car because it terrifies you.
Tom Foolery lol. It's a great car for around town any further than that it's not worth a cup of cold piss. Drive it hard and it will be on charge more than your iphone.
No scripted break down?
Scott Jackson lol i get it
Hahha
No, if you want those you have to follow the dinosaurs to Grand Tour (better hurry though since Amazon is cancelling it).
+PanzerKami They ... they aren't. But regardless, how insecure do you have to be to feel the need to hate a programme which used to dislike a brand you like 10 years ago?
That never happened. Tesla lost in court you dick
I have one and drive it like it should be driven. The biggest plus for me is that I can pass the Prius when non one else can. Double yellows mean nothing - it is sight distance 40 -80 in no time. Pass at will. The other nice thing is off the line 0-25 is instant you can legally catch the next light. This is such a time saver. The one down side is that it is so quick other drives don't expect it.
1) The Porsche is much more expensive
2) The Porsche is lighter and 2 seats.
3) This Tesla car is a SEDAN 4 Door
4) Teslas price is like a third of the price
5) Porsche has been building cars with IC engines for 87 years and, in their light weight high-end icon of a sports car, they can barely keep up with. Tesla is a new-ish company
6) No pollution
Tesla all the way
1) that Porsche is one of the slowest 911’s available in recent history
2) the Tesla is slower around corners than its competitors like the Audi RS7, the Panama turbo, the BMW M5 and the E63 AMG. Said competitors also happen to handle better on the whole and are more sure-footed than the Tesla around bends. Oh, and they actually can do more than half a lap around the Nurburgring.
3) Said competitors are also better high speed cruisers, with cruising speeds higher than the Tesla’s top speed and the ability to last longer and farther at said speeds than the Tesla. And while no one outside of Germany needs high top speeds on public roads, no one needs to do 0-60 in 2.3s on public roads either. Thank you very much.
4) all said competitors are family cars with the Audi, Porsche and E63 having estate/break alternatives (namely the RS6, the panamera sport turismo and the E63 wagon)
5) Tesla fanboys like to have it both ways, invoking the age of other companies as an excuse to refuse comparison when Tesla is inferior in some aspects, but also as an argument for comparison when Tesla does something better. That’s not how it works.
6) lithium, fossil electricity. Even if it pollutes less than ICE cars (which is debatable), it still pollutes.
I was a very early fan of Tesla and still am, but y’all fanboys are toxic morons at times. No car is perfect. Accept criticism, for God’s sake. The review is largely positive, but you can’t seem to believe that lord-and-savior-Elon-Musk’s car could do anything bad. Grow up.
ßaron just one question. Why would you need a car thats quick in corners?
@@warandwar227 That's what is fun ;) Driving in a straight line just ends up in a lost drivers license. I tested a P100D, and while it is frightningly fast in a straight line, the handling is a bit rubbish to be honest. And you can absolutely forget about being a hooligan with it, over the limit it is twitchy and awful.
War and War Why would I need a fast car to corner well? Are you seriously asking? Are you brain-dead or just moronic?
Well, genius, allow me to school you: ever heard of the moose test? Probably not, ignorant as you’ve proven yourself to be.
This is a test that simulates the ability of a car to safely avoid obstacles that suddenly appear in its way at speed e.g. a moose, or say a clueless child.
This test reveals a car’s handling characteristics in emergency situations and just in fast maneuvers when stepping on the brakes is useless. And there are very, very few drivers that will never have to avoid such obstacles coming out of nowhere. I’ve had to avoid a deer a few months ago. This test is an industry standard, an hence, the vast majority of cars go through it. Any car failing it is deemed unsafe while the cars that do pass it do not all pass it with flying colors, as the ease with which the car does pass is also evaluated .
Now, Einstein, guess what kind of car is going to pass this test with ease?
That’s right! A car that is fine cornering fast as it indicates that it is more stable! Unbelievable, right?
But wait, there’s more! A car that corners fast has superior driving dynamics, which results in less risk of terminal oversteer or understeer at identical speeds! Now I know you don’t know what that means, so in simple terms, it means that you would need to be a lot more of an idiot to crash than with a car that doesn’t turn as well. So it is safer.
End of the lesson.
War and War in case you live anywhere in the world that isnt America (the vast majority of people)
Love how much hate the tesla gets. Shows that it's way better than everything else and all the haters are threatened by it. Just like with GT-R haters.
Too many shills work for Tesla, just like Apple and Google. US companies just can't resist paying people for positive and fake comments all across the internet, but especially on TH-cam.
it should be Tesla Model S P100D VS Porsche Panamera
Ord!nary Guy no....... vs 911 turbo s
I think the whole point of the drag race was something as digital as possible (Tesla) vs something as analog as possible (manual 911).
I don't think the Panamera comes with a stick shift.
Ord!nary Guy
Agree 100%.
@sub93h i see your point but I think they should have pined it against another car that seats 5 people like the tesla. 911 r only seats 2 and its pretty much a race car for the road which isnt what the tesla is. The model S is trying to be the best sedan. im sure they could have found a gas-powered manual 4 door with similar specs to Panamera so both cars would have similar pros and cons in everything except the motor and the way it creates and delivers power. A true Gasoline vs Electricity test you know? i guess that wasnt what they were going for here
Ord!nary Guy no what about Tesla Roadster vs Porsche Panemera
how can you not love the inside of the car? it looks so futuristic.
because yes the tech is good but the rest of it is ill fitting tat... ive sat in one and the plastic is about the same quality as the plastic holder in a selection box
3:27 There's an exclamation on the dash stating you don't have full power unless you're over 50% charge and you still beat the Porsche to 150mph
My wife drives a Model S 75D and it is more than quick enough for average person. We just had the free upgrade installed that dropped the 0-60 times from 5.2 to 4.2 sec and it feels incredibly quick. I can't imagine 2.3 seconds.
When she was shopping for a new car I pushed her towards the A6 and the S90 because they just seemed more luxurious and I thought that was what was most important to her. She chose the Tesla because she likes tech and she liked the simple design of the interior. She hated all of the buttons in the Audi's. I don't really like the giant screen because I can't find the item I need to touch without looking for more than a few seconds. Most things require two separate touches to select the item and then to perform the function. She drives it more so she is use to the way it works. Her favorite feature is getting home and plugging in without ever having to go to a gas station again. (And she works in the oil industry).
It drives just fine for a large sedan. It's not a sports car but is plenty fun to drive. The Autopilot is pretty good now and is getting better with each over the air update. (It's still just a glorified cruise control but at some point it could be so much more.)
I think Chris was a little harsh there at the end. I've never experienced any uneasiness in regards to wavy roads but maybe just a bit for passengers during hard surprise accelerations.
Yeah, I don't see why anyone pays the huge premium for the Tesla performance models when the 'non-performance' models still beat many (most?) sports cars 0-60. You're still paying at least £70,000 but given what you actually get for that, it seems like a decent investment for the upper-middle classes. Whereas paying almost double that price for the top-of-the-range seems like the kind of thing only a millionaire should do.
Point of contention: if the Porsche is gaining when you hit 150, then you weren't the "first to 150".
If you hit 150 before the Porsche, it doesn't matter if it's gaining, you reached there first.
But both are awesome cars in their segment.
Rui Romao you can't have hit a a certain top speed before another car if the other car is gaining on you. How would it be gaining if you were going faster?
But the tesla didn't hit 150 first. When the tesla hit 150, the porche was already going faster than 150, hence it was gaining on the tesla. If the race was for distance, the tesla would have won, but the race was to a certain speed, which the porche hit first
Came here to say this
Also the Tesla was low and the battery charge , the car is much slower with less than 50% of charge.
0:39 Holy $h!t, it's a Renault Avantime in the background !
My dad owns a Avantime!
Glad we got an honest review of the Tesla
omg. you are racing the car at low charge. it's a lottt slower when the battery is less 30% and it seems like you're doing it when it is under 20%. It's like you purposely don't want it to win. This is ridiculous. Model S is a family sports sedan weighing almost 5000 lbs. the 911R is just a straight up race car. Yes, tesla is a one trick pony because it is never meant to be a race car. Also, all fast ICE cars have a narrow power curve when max power is available at a small range. Tesla acceleration is almost uniform. That's why a non-performance model S feels quicker than an M3 on everyday driving even though the M3 is quicker on paper. Drive it for a week in the city and you'll see what i'm talking about.
"omg. you are racing the car at low charge. it's a lottt slower when the battery is less 30%"
That's funny because you can do that all day in the Porsche and it will go the same speed every time.
In case this went over your head, the point is the Tesla going slower when the battery gets low is a very real disadvantage of owning an electric car. It's not going to get special treatment because of that. If it cannot keep up the same pace through a full day of testing, then that is the REALITY of the situation.
If you're saying it can't win because it's at 20% battery, then that is representative of the real world. Tough shit. You need to learn to accept the very obvious and significant downsides of driving an electric car.
Annnnd, the family car still beats the porsche track car 0-60 when the battery is below 20%.
**Meanwhile, motorheads are complaining how it's unfair that electric motors have instant torque lol** Guess what that's the reality of the situation then
and in reality you only care about 0-60 not 0-150 or 200, unless you live in Germany. In everyday driving, even a non-performance tesla can feel quicker than the porsche cuz everything is instant. you just have to drive one for a while to understand.
"Annnnd, the family car still beats the porsche track car 0-60 when the battery is below 20%. "
...because it's AWD and the porsche is RWD. 0-60 is a measurement of traction, not speed or power. And the reality still hasn't changed - the Tesla loses power the lower its charge level gets. That's a fact and not up for debate. The Porsche does not lose power as its fuel tank gets lower. Also a fact that is not up for debate.
"and in reality you only care about 0-60 not 0-150 or 200"
In reality, the Tesla can't handle for shit, and handling is what the 911R is specifically built do to.
"In everyday driving, even a non-performance tesla can feel quicker than the porsche"
And you still have all the disadvantages of electric, i.e. less range, waning power as the charge gets low, and extremely long charge times. Not to mention ridiculous weight and terrible handling.
"you just have to drive one for a while to understand."
I drive a 700 HP CTS-V that can easily out-accelerate a P90D. But go ahead and tell me more about how the Tesla "feels" faster.
lfyfain If the Tesla performs worse at lower battery levels, that's a problem with the car. You can launch the 911R at 30% battery power or 10% fuel, and it'll perform just as well.
Also, the 911R is not a race car.
lfyfain y’all are comparing a race car to a luxury sedan. People don’t buy a Tesla to rip around on a track like a Porsche. This Top Gear vid just shows that the P100D has faster acceleration. In an infinite straight away the Porsche will always catch up.
As for the “gas” comment, I think I loss brain cells reading that. A battery is not the same as gasoline/internal combustion engine. If you’re low on fuel it doesn’t effect performance because the engine is still consuming the same amount of fuel regardless. In a battery, the amount of power is bottlenecked through the car’s computer when it is low so that you don’t run out of power (it’s bad for batteries in any device to be completely drained).
*You say 0 to 150 mph is important in these days? Is it?*
*I'm sure it is not and here is why:* Where in the world are you allowed to drive that fast? in Germany and nowhere else. what really matters in real life is 40 to 70 mph.
0-60 is and people do like to go to track days
Intelligent Bot u dont decide what is important
Tigerkitty
Yes, i don't decide what is relevant. But based on some facts i can tell you what is relevant for the reality and what is not.
The Tesla goes 40-70 while the petrol car is still trying to find the right gear.
And my Chevy Bolt is the quickest-responding car on the road....unless i'm going for a gap alongside a Tesla. Stomp an electric cars and it is INSTANTLY going MUCH faster. There is NO LAG AT ALL. It's LAUGHABLY quicker than anything that has to inhale and then compress air with explosions.
That drag race where Chris reeled the Tesla in essentially proves that Chris is one HELL of a driver
Why does it look more conventional? Rule number one of selling a product: If you’re selling something new (innovation/sci-fi) you have to make it familiar, if you’re selling something familiar you have to make it new
If the Porsche is catching you when you are at 150 MPH, that means that the Porsche hit 150 MPH before you..... Just saying
LambertzLane the porsche is probably faster to 100 aswell. Tesla only can do 0-60 fast lol
LambertzLane there are also a handful of people who can jailbreak a Tesla and make it go much faster.
ExeKuTioN Cro No its super fast to 100 also.
kasparov9 lol just check the facts it need 6.52 seconds 0-100 mph pors he turbo for example needs 6.2 seconds. At 110 mph it gets overtaken by most cars. Like I said its basically.only the 0-60 time its good because of the instant torque which isnt even a tesla thing but a specific of an electric motor.
And you can already see the time the tesla takes from 60 -100 is double of that it takes from 0-60, where as petrol cars actually can easily get faster from 60-100 than from 0-60 ;)
A 911R is not a supercar moron.
On the 'drag race' the battery state of charge was pretty low. I didn't see what the power meter on the left was showing but in my #p100d with 80% plus of battery power I have seen over 550KW which is 740Bhp. I think the suspension issue on the windy road was the auto levelling air suspension, I have two kids and a wife who get travel sick easily and they've never complained. Having said that I don't drive on twisties with them in at the same speed as in this video, on the motorway, peage etc it is a rocket ship with no feeling of illness. I love the minimalist interior and the outside is just beautiful, the rear 1/4 reminds me of an Aston Martin and I just love the whole thing. It doesn't feel €180,000 inside but the whole package is fabulous and it turns heads every minute :)
I'm not in a position to either buy or to lease a Model S but I did take a test drive in 2015 out of pure curiosity. This model offered was a P85+ single motor. Very impressive piece of machinery. Effortless torque at any speed. Mid range shove is significantly greater than a BMW 535d which itself is no slouch. The P100D must be utterly sensationally rapid.
The 17" screen looks far better in person than it pictures. Apart from a few detail finishes it's hard to get your head around the fact that Tesla Motors hasn't been building high performance luxury cars for a few decades.
2:19 me every single day of my commute….love this brand. To wake up everyday and know that there isn’t a soul who is going to best you on the motorway in an ICE has been a pleasurable experience
Am i the only one who just loves the 911R sound?
TuneboyR R it’s not speed. I don’t care about drag races. No one ever drives like that. The 911 R is a dream. Best? The new Speedster. 🥰