The biggest issue I have with spirits is there is no descriptions. As a kid I loved reading the all of the trophy descriptions in Melee, Brawl and Smash 4 and learning about new franchises. With Spirits you can't really learn about an unknown franchise. If you don't get the refference in the spirit battle then there's no real way in the game to learn more about it.
Hot Take: The "Character has no moveset potential" argument is stupid and makes no sense. Legit we got Captain Falcon, the NES/retro reps, Sheik, and R.O.B. to name a few.
Don't forget Isabelle and Villager, two characters from a series that have next to no violence, yet they feel perfectly natural in Smash. Honestly the fact that they come from such a series makes it even better, Isabelle and Snake feel like they shouldn't be in the same game, yet they are and I love it.
As someone who follows competitive smash, let me explain why spectators hate Steve so much (without being rude like a lot of people are) 1. To start, Steve is plain and simple the best character in the game by far. It's easier to win with him compared to the rest of the cast. 2. Steve's combos do too much damage and he can kill way too early with diamond weapons. This makes comebacks less impressive and exciting, and more upsetting due to how easy it was to get back into the game. Comebacks are exciting and impressive because they're hard to pull off. For Steve, they aren't. 3. Steve is also a pretty campy character. He needs to farm up diamond as fast as possible, so he puts up a wall and hides behind it to mine. This is frustrating to watch because it's not engaging to watch Steve's opponent helplessly try and break through that defense without getting harshly punished. 4. Risk-reward for Steve is unfair. Any time an opponent engages with Steve, they are at risk of getting hit by a 60% combo or dying. You have to play perfectly in order to beat him. Meanwhile, punishing Steve is really really hard. Moves like back air, f smash, minecart, and anvil are all insanely strong and there is next to no risk to the Steve player to mash them. Normally, it'd be the threat of losing resources, but this isn't a problem for Steve in smash since he can easily put up a wall and get more resources before the opponent can break through. All of this leads to a frustrating viewing experience watching Steve. It all just comes down to not wanting to watch the easier, more broken character win over and over again. It's especially frustrating because Nintendo stopped patching the game, and THEN Steve players figured out how to play the character at a top level, so he can't be nerfed. A nerf would fix everything - make blocks more easily destroyed, make tools weaker across the board, make mining a little laggier. These things would help. But as he is, no one's gonna like watching Steve or seeing him win.
Considering that is the Smash community we’re in, you already know that there’s going to be those 3 or 4 offended players who main Steve going crazy in the comments.
@@KingObliv This take shows a lack of knowledge on the game. 99% of competitive players and TOP players agree on this. I'm not arguing for a ban, simply stating the obvious which is that Steve is the best character in the game by far. He is not lacking in a single area. Elite recovery, combos, kill power, disadvantage state, dominates the neutral game, risk-reward. Everything Steve has is top notch. This is basic stuff.
Totally agree with everything you said in the Mario section. It sometimes feels like smashers value references a little too much. I think getting a character's feeling is the most important part of making a character. For example, Meta Knight has like 4 moves that actually come from his series but he still has a feel of an agile knight with swift attacks. Everything Mario does in Smash is super in line with how he would fight in my opinion and I think any massive shake ups hurts the synergy he has. Characters like Mega Man and the Belmonts are cool but I think they soured the waters of how people see character improvisation.
Yeah, if you rely on references too much you get the characters from Nick All-Star Brawl and MultiVersus who all have awkward movesets because the developers tried to cram in as many references and memes as possible.
@@DarkOverlord96 I think that happens because the references are only visual stuff and most of the moves do functionally the same thing, some canon representation on characters like DK, Sonic or Ganon would be great.
The worst cases of references is of course Steve, where they aimed to make him play Minecraft in Snash, and while they got the technical challenge mostly done, it was not a good idea to make him play Minecraft in Smash, for so many reasons.
I also don’t think many spectators hate kazuya. Like you can’t watch tea’s kazuya and not be entertained. It’s fighting him that’s frustrating especially with characters like wolf.
@@kanyegrande4312I think it's exciting in a frustrating way. Your favorite player is a stock up and just outfoxed Kazuya 10 times in a row only to get hit twice and now they're losing.
A few hot takes I have: - Bowser's new final smash is actually a way better choice than his old one. Instead of having it entirely taken over by the smash-original reference to Melee, the attack represents the most fitting choice, Giant Bowser, and also represents both Yoshi's Island and SMG2 in small ways. Then, using Giga Bowser for visual variety adds the Melee reference as just another layer on top of the base, instead of being the entire reference. - Characters should have no obligation to maintain movesets from the previous games. Especially in the cases of characters like Ganondorf or Sonic, I think that full overhauls should definitely be options that are considered. Sure, some players will feel alienated, but the same happens when characters are outright cut, and we've accepted that that's bound to happen. - I'm not a fan of Ultimate's stage roster. I think that it's way too reliant on old stages, and unlike the characters, doesn't even have the excuse of bringing back _all_ of the old ones. I would've much preferred if they primarily focused on new stages, with a relatively small amount of returning ones.
As a Ganondorf main that finds his moveset super fun, I would love more than anything else for him to get a new moveset that not only makes him competitively viable, but actually represents him well as a character. Tears of the Kingdom gave them so much to work with so now would be a better time than ever.
Ganondorf is one of the most played characters though. I would personally prefer if it stayed the same- maybe with some buffs, but definitely not a complete overhaul
@@ethantreadway9478 I'd personally also add: - Ancestral Steppe from Monster Hunter. I think the best way to go about it would be to have it be set in Area 4, and the background could feature Great Jaggi, Kecha Wacha, Gore Magala or Seregios, with a small chance of them being Frenzied (or enraged, in the case of Gore Magala) Area 3 could also be a suitable setting for the stage as well, but I like the look of Area 4 more.
I’m surprised no one else mentioned Classic Mode only having one stock (seriously, some rounds with certain characters are WAY too difficult). And I do agree that Master Kohga should be the next Zelda rep.
I preferred classic mode when we had the option of 1-5 stocks, scale the rewards down for having mor than one stock if you must , don't remove the option to have more than one life entirely
The current classic mode is a backstep IMHO. The idea of a little story for each character is cute, but with so many characters they could have done a multipath tale with different endings for each character. I hope they will do that in the next Smash Bros. Also more bosses. Duon was cool and Queen Sectonia would be a nice boss too. Master Hand and Crazy Hand must be tired of doing more than half of the job.
That doesn't really justify anything At least a couple of those characters could've simply not been added in their original games to begin with and that's it. The Everyone is Here gimmick brought them back, but there was never any need for, say, Roy or Corrin
That’s Ultimates Gimmick! Every fighter in Super Smash Brothers history is here! And that sadly means Lucina and Robin. Marth and Roy got English Voices, Ike can now be his 2 versions, Chrom is added, and Corrin fits with the theme of World of Light. This also means the game wasn’t Ultimate Corrin stays for fitting and they would add Chandelure in place of Pichu.
i remember an alpharad video back when byleth was revealed that I have to agree with, even as a non fire emblem fan: having a lot of different characters is a really important part of the series. So the most accurate way to represent fire emblem in smash is by having a lot of characters.
4:44 Steve and Kazuya become boring to watch if you've watched a ton of top level gameplay for them. Once you watch enough top level Steve and Kazuya gameplay you start to see that they constantly fish for the same low risk high reward combos. And while the element of volatility can make things interesting, plenty of people don't like seeing someone constantly outplaying a Steve or Kazuya player only for them to lose their stock off of one or two interactions. That being said I respect your take because there was a time where I enjoyed watching Steve and Kazuya. I just kinda ruined it for myself by watching too much competitive Smash.
Cool take: indie games should get more representation than spirits, assist trophies, and mii costumes. I mean, I guess Steve WAS Indie but like come on
13:51 heres my counter take: thats fumbest fucking thing ive ever heard. It is a video game series. Why would you not limit it to video games. If you want a platform fighter with characters from anything make it yourself
And we are seeing a rise in platform fighters based off non-videogame IPs. Nick All-Star Brawl 2 is the best of the ones we got, with a balanced roster of Nicktoons and even the addition of a Guilty Gear styled super meter to spice things up. From Spongebob and Ninja Turtles to IPs we haven't seen in years like El Tigre and Angry Beavers, the NASB2 roster and even the roguelike campaign mode has something for everybody. Multiversus has well-thought-out movesets and cool character choices, but is chained by molasses game speed, a horridly-paced singleplayer mode, and predatory monetization that would make even Fortnite blush. Believe me, like Odyssey flashed up onscreen, I wish MvS was actually good, but Warner Bros. wants to give a console fighting game the quality of a mobile game.
You know, I might get torched for this, but i DONT want Geno to be added in Smash 6, I already wasnt a huge fan of SM RPG, but overall he is just an OKAY character, like sure he has the things to be a fighter but I think he just isnt as relevant as other Mario characters on the roster, I much rather take someone like Rayman who hasnt had a new game for a while
The thing about Geno is that the Mii Gunner's moveset is honestly already pretty much perfect for him. That's why I would want the next Smash game to go all in on the idea of Deluxe Mii Costumes; Basically add the character to the game with some unique animations/effects and voice lines, but take the moveset from Mii Fighters so you don't have to spend time developing a whole new character. And then give the option to display them on the character select screen, similar to how you get to choose whether or not echo fighters show up. Cuphead is another one whose moveset is already pretty much perfect as Mii Gunner.
@@luisinloza9683 Smash 64 is 1 Smash Melee is 2 Smash Brawl is 3 Smash 4 is oh I dunno, 4? Smash 3DS is the 3DS version of Smash 4 (See it as Mario Maker 3DS) Smash Ultimate is 5
Hot Take: Most final smashes are TERRIBLE. I want to use powerful moves that feel like part of the moveset, not watch a cutscene or devastate the screen. Some examples of characters who do it right are Mario, Ness, and Ryu.
I agree. My personal least favourite change from 4 to ultimate was Pit losing the Three Sacred Treasures. Felt like bro was raining Destruction on the land now he just shouts "Lightning Chariot" and summons a macguffin
250k special should be a ranking of every item in Minecraft, it would be a very long video but so would ranking every 2D Mario level and that’s happening anyway
probably a better idea to save that for 300k or something though because the 2d mario level video is probably gonna be out by the time he has to start working on a minecraft one.
What if some alts of Smash Bros Ultimate could’ve been like those Villager - villager of MK8D male and female and new alt from New Horizons Rosalina - young alt from the storybook and Biker Outfit Greninja - fixed the shiny Toxicroak alt Delphox and Chesnaught alt Definitely fixed PAC MAN alt to be Ms PAC MAN and the ghosts Bowser JR and the koopalings are okay Duck Hunt- Nintendo Dog Snoopy and Woodstock alt Clifford alt and Herdier and Ducklett alt
@@vanessasandoval96you can't make chestnaught and delphox alts of greninja, they are extremely different The same goes for Pac-man and the ghosts, and ms pacman had legal issues
saying "that's happening anyway" doesn't really work in this context. To the viewer, it makes sense. As you said, we're getting a long video anyway. However, from the production side, it doesn't really work, as it essentially doubles the time taken
he's only 18k away and he's not even done with the 2D mario level video yet. realistically he won't get much of a break before getting to work on another big video
Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf absolutely should have had there smash 4 designs as alts. Most of Ganondorf’s alts look exactly the same anyway so why not use different models
- Mewtwo's moveset is so bad. I've never really seen anyone call it out, but it does not feel like you're playing as the most powerful Psychic-type. Even something like swapping Disable for a strong Psychic-type move like Future Sight would do so much - If you don't think they're gonna put a new Fire Emblem, Pokemon, and Xenoblade rep in the next Smash, you're capping - Assist Trophies should get a Final Smash Meter treatment in the next Smash. Plenty other fighting games have a similar character support summon system, and it would be a way to give some of those underdogs some more representation - Alternate colors are just fine, they don't need to give everyone these custom skins
Assist trophies having that is just a bad idea. Games that have them would revolve around them since it'll be a free final smash + assist. I get that items are really good and unbalanced but there still is a line.
i personally hate fighting against mewtwo, he hits like a truck. As a Shulk main and Xenoblade dick rider, i wouldnt mind then dropping Shulk and Aegis in the next game, updating to Noah/Mio. In fact, the entire roster should just be an “updated nintendo cast,” reboot the series. Finally get Game and Watch and R.O.B out of here lol
@@benjimiguel17I don't have any opinions on they first takes, but I disagree on the third one. Going back to the series being just Nintendo characters would be a really lame downgrade. I also really hate when people talk about "rebooting" the Super Smash Bros. franchise. A reboot means resetting the continuity, but there zero reason to do that to Smash. The main gameplay doesn't follow any storyline, and for a an actual Story Mode they could totally come up with another one, World of Light ending doesn't prevent them from continuing the story. (For some reason some people think everyone dies in the true ending wich is just not true, only Galleem and Darkhon died.)
@@Josue_S_6411 Eh, I think it could heavily benefit from a reboot, for multiple reasons. 1: Sakurai is no longer part of the development. This would give whoever is newly in charge of development to create a new identity for the franchise, separating the Sakurai and post-Sakurai eras of the game. 2: It is a Nintendo property, and we know damn well that any game past Ultimate is NOT going to get past those licenses. One can only imagine how much trouble it was to get Sora, Snake, Cloud, etc this time around. If they allow non Nintendo characters next game, it will not be to the extent Ultimate was able to get, so it will just feel like a watered down roster when it comes to third party reps. 3: There are sooo many underrepresented Nintendo characters that could be taking up slots. Cloud is cool, but there are just as cool characters in current Nintendo IPs that can have a similar playstyle. Smash, in the end, was made to advertise and promote Nintendo IPs, and that isn’t a bad thing. I wouldn’t have discovered Xenoblade if it wasn’t for Smash, saw the weab lightsaber sword in 4 and was like “i gotta see more of that!” 4: And of course, a series reboot would finally allow for some reworked and updated characters. I know he said that “Mario doesn’t need an updated moveset,” but they are missing out on so many mechanics. Odyssey movement would be sick as a character, which there are Rivals of Aether workshop mods that prove that. Same for a BoTW and ToTK Link. Samus, Yoshi, all the Pokemon, so many characters in the game that could be reworked. We always talk about “DLC Treatment” but a reboot may finally allow the current cast to receive that “DLC Treatment” instead of reserving it for 3rd Parties only
Almost all 64 reps feel extremedly outdated, like, how does DK not have a barrel, or link still represent mostly OOT 25 years later, Samus being a one button character, yoshi an aerial spammer with no depht, puff lacking any sort of fairy type move etc. And compare them to the DLC fighters who have very distictive playstyles loaded with attention to detail and care.
Add Kirby to the list. In theory, Kirby could be different each game since his moveset potential is endless. There's no reason he should still rely on foot attacks and the same specials (that don't function like the games). He should have a projectile!
@@djdrizzy9139 True, basically all characters except fox and Falcon, which even if outdated, are extremedly iconic designs, deserve a redesign, even though some need it more than others.
@@sobblegaming350 I love my boy, but he would be even more fun with a new move set. I enjoy playing him more in his games than Smash. Besides, the same moves get stale after 20+ years.
Not every character needs to be overcomplicated with a million bars and meters and menus and bs But I agree in terms of at least swapping a few moves to represent recent stuff
Here's a hot take: Fire Emblem isn't over-represented, but POORLY represented. 3/8 of them are bland self-insert avatars added for marketing purposes, and another 3/8 of them are clone characters to make development easier, leaving Marth and Ike as the only truly warranted additions on their own. The need to represent exclusively sword-wielding protagonists restricts not only moveset potential, but also the personalities these fun side characters could bring to the table, one of the main reasons Fire Emblem fans even like the franchise. Everyone I know would much rather have Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude, or even all 3 swapping together like Pokémon Trainer over *Byleth...* someone like Anna or Tiki would've done an amazing job representing the franchise as a whole as well. Heck, they could even give Fire Emblem its own fighting game to save Smash fans the trouble, they've sure got the roster for it!
The thing with Fire Emblem is that they add the main protagonist from every main game, and honestly some of these characters have really fun and unique movesets. Robin, Byleth and Corrin all have really fun and unique movesets, even if some of these characters are kinda hated for being yet another FE character. Along with that, there's also some characters that are also self insert protagonists in the series (see Mr. Game & Watch and Pokemon Trainer) I think the character choices aren't very great and it'd be nice to get some side characters instead of just the main character from every significant game, but the movesets they go with are still really fun to play. I genuinely enjoy my time using every character from the series even if they share too much overlap for my liking.
I'd argue at least the Robin's themselves are fine cause they at least their moveset represents the magic from Fire Emblem well enough, and that makes them unique from the other fights. Although I feel that Fire Emblem should be more open to add characters from the older games, especially since some of them use things other their swords as their main weapons
i'd argue marth ike and robin are alright fighters. i'd love to see them add a very different character from all three though. maybe a knight/general would be an interesting addition, or an archer? or go wild with a wyvern rider. fire emblem is so much more than just lords.
Here is the thing, you're right with them being poorly represented but they are also over represented being tied for 2nd yet despite this have nearly double the rep of all Nintendo games under them. In the 2 smash games of DLC there is 3 FE DLC characters, which I believe is the highest a single series has from DLC. All in positions where unless you were psychic you wouldn't realize not buying the pass is cheaper now. When other Nintendo series struggle to get more then 1-3 reps this is absolutely over representation. Fire Emblem has a bunch of good things, but Nintendo has given people legitimate reason to despise it.
if when you mention bland self insert avatar you are including robin, i think you shouldn't count him, i personally don't view him as a bland avatar at all, he's the coprotagonist with chrom and i like him as a character and barely think about them as an avatar aside from the customization, i think of them as the best integrated avatar out of all of them in fire emblem
Wow. Didn't even read my hot take? Unbelievable. Unsubscribing. Resubscribing. Installing dislike extension. Banning on Twitter. Following on SoundCloud. This is my TH-camr? Wow. Cool Bowser clip.
Crossover culture in the early 2010s via the MCU, has directly affected internet culture and tainted/ruined Smash as a whole. The HD Smash titles as a whole have transformed Smash Bros into a massive crossover event that's only rivaled by Fortnite in terms of sheer scale and quantity gaming/media icons. For better AND for worse, every hype cycle for the game devolves into fans clamoring for the every 3rd party rep under the Sun after 4 gave us Megaman in the E3 reveal trailer. Especially in Ultimate's case after we got most of the big 1st party requests. It's gonna make the roster culling of Smash 6 a painful one. I'm always thankful for Brawl simply because of the era it came out in. It's a perfect time capsule that shows us a world where massive sweeping crossovers weren't EXPECTED to happen. Only Snake and Sonic.
As a certified Magolor simp (surprising I know) I would love for him to be in the game but I definitely think Bandana Dee should be added first. He really deserves it.
Bandana dee would be good, if it will be similar to pmex remix Bandana Dee where his moveset referencess not only him, but also classic Kirby abilities
My hot take, final smashes peaked in Brawl. A lot of the cutscene and streamlined final smashes came in Smash 4, while Brawl they thought out of the box for a lot, like Luigi's
@@ThatSquirtleGuylol yeah, like Luigi's final smash in brawl was very gimmicky, and they had to change Dedede's 3 times, and i think his current one fits him a lot more then what he had before
The lack of cutscenes isn't the only reason people don't like World of Light, people also just don't think the gameplay is good. Subspace had a massive amount of flaws, bit it was a proper adventure with actual levels. World of Light is basically a 20 hour long compilation of samey event matches
I have a similar issue here. I also didn't like how much pointless movement was there, and I didn't like the post-Galeem fights as much, and think it could have just not have a battle against both Galeem and Dharkon.
@@sharmakefarah2064 To be fair, the Galeem/Darkhon double boss fight was pretty nicely donez with it feeling like a three-way fight, as Galeem and Darkhon can target each other. Also, Master Hand being *officially* playable for the first time is awesome.
I think most people misunderstand the concept of characters getting move set remakes in the next game. Sure, it would be cool to see characters get new move sets, but not everyone needs one. I think the characters that 100% need to go through this are DK, Samus, Luigi, Ganondorf, and Sonic, as their move sets are either poor representations of the characters have been outdated in the case of Samus. (And if anyone complains about their main getting changed, the Echo Fighters could keep the older move sets.)
I wanna update Mario to a moveset that is more “3D plat-former” oriented. Use Odyssey Mario, adding dives, ground pounds, Cappy Movement, long jumps etc.
On one hand, I would like for Dark Samus to be the classic samus well normal samus evolves as a character. But at the same time, an updated Samus sounds even more campy and I'd like to see Dark Samus be more original. Regardless, I'd like one of them to keep the classic moveset, as I am quite fond of it.
My hot take is that Mai Shiranui being completely excluded from Smash is bullshit, they had a LOT of ways to put her in the game without having to change the age rating but they just choose to be lazy and not even try.
It’s funny when you realize that Smash Ultimate actually does have an anime rep. That being Lucario. So to the person wanting an anime character rep there ya go. Yes Lucario came out in an anime movie before he was in a Pokémon game.
No, he was in a movie before a mainline pokèmon game. But even before that he was in mystery dungeon. (Albeit only as backstory character, you can’t interact with any of him in the game itself
@@algotkristoffersson15 that’s not true at all. The mystery dungeon game came after the movie. Movie was released on July 6 2005. The mystery dungeon games did not come out until November 17 of the same year in Japan. So yes he is an anime character.
Hot take, i think king boo is more important to add than waluigi because it can represent a whole other corner of the mario universe being luigis mansion
About that Geno take, as someone who does advocate for Geno being in Smash, I do sadly have to agree. Toad and Waluigi are literally right there and are still waiting, and I do think they’re more likely to get picked first over my gun-toting puppet. Oh, and by the way, The reason why Geno is a popular choice for many is due to his prominence in the plot of Super Mario RPG, and has a unique striking design with guns for arms. Also, other niche and obscure Nintendo characters appeared in Smash and became fan favorites, like Ness, Captain Falcon, and Mr. Game and Watch. Even Sakurai wanted him in both Brawl and Smash 4, so he’s had Geno on his mind. The problem is with Square Enix and them being notoriously difficult to deal with.
10:38 You're wrong here. Maybe having damsel in distress Zelda design looks better to you, but not only does Twilight Princess Zelda actually fight, she's also cool as shit.
It’s not about the game though, it’s about the actual design. Also both link and ganondorf changed from twilight princess to a different game, leaving Zelda on twilight princess would’ve been weird. Also she has an alt for it
Hey what if Odyssey can make video of which a new costume origin of smash bros should stay and could’ve been in smash Mario - definitely bring back fire Mario Wario alt Mario with sunglasses and outfit from Mario sunshine and 64 Mario DK - punching gloves Link - with new alts from BOTW Samus - ??? Yoshi - black white orange Pikachu - Ash’s Pikachu wearing the cap from Kanto to Alola Luigi - Gooigi and the other 3 alts from Luigi mansion 3 and Mr L being the 7th alt
@@Al_X-2005 While Sora was a great choice for the final character, I felt Crash would've been a decent final because he's also got a HUGE fanbase in Japan, so both sides of the world would've celebrated
@@Generalmituna8079 Toads are playable in plenty of 2D Mario games (pretty much all the modern ones), plus there's Captain Toad. The Mario Spinoff games (Kart, Party, other sports, etc.) are also pretty underutilized for movesets, so Toad could use elements from those.
If they ever decided to do a Lego character, they literally have Chase McCain to use as a rep. He’s an OC (I’m pretty sure unless he got a set that I don’t know about) and there is definitely some potential for a moveset
I believe Chase's first appearance was LEGO City Undercover, so he counts. Now, he DID get a polybag set in late 2012, but it was just a preorder bonus for his game in early 2013. He would go on to appear in two LEGO City sets and eventually as a playable character in LEGO Dimensions Year 2 (aka that time LEGO went the Skylanders route).
Hot take: Daisy should have a unique moveset based on her strikers charged debut with a mix of flower attacks for some ariel moves and crystal attacks for some ground moves.
My hot take is that Pauline should 100% be added before Waluigi as the next Mario character. She's literally been in the games since 1981 (before Bowser, Peach, and Luigi) and could even be included as a Donkey Kong character instead if they want more DK representation. She's one of the most iconic video game characters of all time but still manages to be underrated. She should 100% be added
With her getting in the new Mario Party, it is possible. stages like New Donk City (and 75m…) could be her home stages, and could represent odyssey along with Rosalina (Galaxy) and Mario / Bowser. Jr (Sunshine)
4:57 as someone who has never watched comp amash bros and know literally NOTHING about it, even i can tell your reasoning for steve is biased as hell sounding. Not saying there isnt a good reason, but the one you used central wasnt very good tbh😭
Hot take: Waluigi and Geno SHOULDN'T be playable. First of all, there are too many Mario characters, no matter how important the franchise is for Nintendo Also, if the characters are not reliable for competitive Smash they'll end up forgotten and unused. A waste of space
geno i get, but i feel like due to waluigi being nothing but “the sports guy who nintendo fucks over”, you could realistically take him in a bunch of different ways and i think that’s cool.
@@jaco8822 The problem doesn't rely on whether or not Waluigi would make up for a good fighter (Which I honestly don't care). People tend to ask and beg for whatever character they can come up with and Nintendo may greenlight one of them, but that doesn't mean people will play with them For example, people loved when Banjo-Kazooie were finally announced as playable characters, but nobody plays with them as people claim they have a "bad moveset", which I disagree with. Byleth's case is the exact opposite as people hated their inclusion, but they praised their moveset If they are considered below the B tier in competitive standards everyone stops playing as them because they are not good enough. People will eventually forget Waluigi was playable at some point due to how lackluster his moveset and stats are, if it ever happens
I think the other reason kirby and Mario don’t need a rework is because they’re supposed to be simple. They’re beginner characters that anyone can use, complicating them would kind of ruin that
I agree with Mario and Kirby's moveset being great. They are the only characters that absolutely feel like they do in their source games. Edit: Jesus Christ, relax with the replies.
Yeah I've seen people saying that most of the original 12 should get a moveset revamp in the next game I couldn't disagree more. Even in the case of a character like DK where he doesn't represent his franchise all that well, I think it's still nice to have a character that acts as the basic heavy whose moveset is easy to understand. Plus when you revamp a moveset you're basically taking that character away from the people who actually enjoy them. This is why characters like Sonic and Ganon haven't gotten a revamp despite arguably needing it pretty bad.
Nope nope nope, Kirby isn't "bad" but doesn't accurately portray his source material. One example: inhale. Kirby has no issues sucking up enemy projectiles and spitting them back. In Ultimate, he can only spit back large projectiles, and has lots of lag when he auto swallows small projectiles. Kirby should be a zoners nightmare in Smash, but the opposite is true. Not to mention his other copy specials that are worse in function.
@@Josue_S_6411 Steve has a few issues like not losing his inventory upon death and being able to place blocks in the air, but yeah I'd say they did a decent job with Steve from purely a moveset point of view and ignoring how absurdly overtuned some of his moves are.
in regards to unlocking every character, i think it would be really cool if each character had a unique unlock condition as long as it was something small that didn't take more than a couple of matches. like, imagine if to unlock luigi you had to end a timed battle with a "2" as one of your KO digits (obviously a cheeky reference to his unlock condition in melee) it'd be hard to make unique and fun ones for every unlockable in the game but if it was made possible then it'd be so much fun to speedrun unlocking every character by completing their unique conditions. obviously i wouldn't want it to be the only way to unlock a character, but a quicker way to get the ones you want other than the weird classic mode chart or completing all of WoL just to get Roy.
What if some alt costumes that could’ve been smash ultimate Meta Knight - Morpho Knight Wario - Waluigi alt Pokémon Trainer - Ash to be Red alt of the male and Dawn to be Leaf alt of the female Definitely fix Sonic alt to be Knuckles Shadow Rouge Silver Lucario - shiny alt
I will literally never understand why people think Corrin is a "boring" character. They've got a dragon form which gives them more unique attacks, and their sword is also a chainsaw. Last time I checked, dragons with chainsaws aren't that boring. Plus, he's way more interesting than Lucina, who's just "Marth but easy mode".
@@bonedude666 2 of those characters are echo fighters, as in, they're litteraly not counted in the official number of playable characters + you have the option to make them share the same slots as marth and Roy respectively. There's no reason for anyone to complain about what is essentially a skin. And Ike is just objectively fun to play as.
It’s literally because his game is regarded as a pretty hated Fire Emblem game, the Chainsaw sword is also locked behind a $20 DLC, and he was sandwiched between RYU, CLOUD, and BAYONETTA.
As a new player to the Smash series, I think that unlocking characters was a great decision. It allowed for a sense of reward for playing, if I opened up the game and had all of the characters instantly, I wouldn’t have gotten into it as much as I am now. Also it only took me like 3 days and I barely played
Yes I can. Instead of replaci anyone they should have just had one more character somewhere between the actual ones with that character being dry bones. Like I don’t get why people think there’s some objective limit to the size of the DLC packs. Like no there isn’t, it’s only six characters long because they decided to make it that way. They could have made it whatever length they wanted to.
@@pinkiemeowstic89they choose to make it six characters long because they had six ideas for characters. Not the other way around. So there aren’t any slots to take.
3:05 I agree. I think it's ridiculously we were denied cutscenes because Sakurai wanted them off the internet. If anything that's greed, why wouldn't you want a "celebration of characters" to be widespread globally?
My biggest hot take is that Lucas is way more lame and annoying than Ness and it’s by a long shot. I love his inclusion, but the fact there’s people who have the gall to say Ness is more annoying is crazy to me
As a former Lucas main, they’re equally matched. PK freeze is very annoying but down smash on ness or pk fire are also really bad. They’re equal in my eyes
pyra and mythra take a lot of fundamental skill and knowledge to win with, even if they do it very well. You can’t just throw something out and expect to win. The difference between her and the other two is that Steve and Kazuya give you little to no knowledge on how you would play other characters or learn the fundamental knowledge to win with them, you can’t do inputs with most of the cast (and kazuya’s inputs are very different than the other shodos) or block shenanigans. That’s why I personally think they shouldn’t be compared.
@@LleytonSPD While they aren't as overpowered as steve, I think that the Aegis are very poorly designed as a duo character. Every single other multi character had to very distict characters, but Aegis are just fast Swordie and slow swordie, Mythra frame data is absurd and her speed and combos are only balaced by her not being able to K.O. which instead of doing by interesting and skill testing set-ups like sheik or ZSS, she does by switching to a stroger version to herself. Worst designed duo in smash and it's not even close.
I think Sonic's costumes can work with Only Blue, cause he has quite a few iconic costumes he can wear, like the Soap shoes or the Riders Shoes and Glasses, i think it has potential if they reference more than those random hands in the Sonic 2 special stage or whatever the heck they meant to "reference"
9:08 I’m a big Xenoblade fan and even I think that it’s stupid to say it’s underrepresented. There’s only 4 games, one of which came out after they stopped doing Smash dlc and the other without a rep is the one on the WiiU that nobody played. Also Smash technically has 3 Xeno characters and we’ll definitely get Noah and/or Mio in the next Smash game
3:48 I think adding references to a character's home series in their moves can easily be done without taking away from what they already are. The animation of Mario's up air could be changed from a kick to a tanooki tail swipe without changing the hitboxes at all, since that move already hits in the same kind of arc in games like 3D Land/World.
Just saying, but lightning McQueen is technically eligible for smash as the cars movie promotional video game came out a few days before the first Cars movie.
Metroid should have more characters in Smash than Fire Emblem. We only have Samus, Dark Samus, ZSS and Ridley when there is so much to choose from. Sylux from Metroid Prime Hunters, or any of the other bounty hunters from that game Rundas from Metroid Prime 3 Gandrayda, also from Metroid Prime 3 Raven Beak from Metroid Dread A Prime series space pirate
The funny thing is about the "no non-video game characters in Smash" is that Sakurai legitimately considered James Bond for Melee, but decided against it during development (probably because dealing with all the legal bramble regarding using actor likeness and the JB rights holders in general) Though out of all non video game characters at the time James Bond made an actual whole lot of sense just on the back of how successful and influential Goldeneye 007 was
About adventure mode/world of light, I personally don't care at all for a story or even cutscenes. What I miss the most from Brawl's adventure mode is the sidescroller levels. I loved playing through these with different characters and fighting NPC enemies that are unplayable and only found in adventure mode. I know smash isn't a sidescroller beat em up but it was fun to have a mode where the game becomes that
I completely agree about Mario's moveset. I have an idea that the more a character uses reference summons (such as unnaturally obtaining power ups, items, or other objects), it detracts from the character's ability to fight in their original game. Because of this I easily cringe at some of the moveset suggestions I see online. Even ROB has an intuitive moveset that could be soiled by forcing better references, as smash has given ROB a sort of new identity.
I feel like Mario should have an up special based on the Galaxy jump, and the cape should be swapped out for a simple Cap throw. It would stay in line with some pretty basic Mario abilities, while representing Mario's history well. His basic attacks are reminiscent of Mario 64, his neutral special represents his most commonly used powerup across the 2D games, his down special represents Sunshine, his up special represents Galaxy and its sequel, and his side special represents Odyssey. Adjust his taunts and victory screens to better represent some of his iconic poses (like the classic peace sign used in so many things) and I think like that would be perfect.
My 3 biggest hot takes: 1.) The final fight in World of Light where you face Galeem and Dharkon at the same time is a super fun final boss fight. The pacing is great, the challenge of dodging two bosses' attacks at the same time is a fun challenge, and there's a cool aspect to the fact that they damage each other. You don't quite want to kill either one until they're both weak, because they technically help you out with the other. However, the mandatory boss rush before it sucks. 2.) Melee had the best system for unlocking stuff. Yeah, Ultimate is quick and easy, but it feels empty. "Oh, yay, I just unlocked a random character for playing a random match." VS "Yeah, I finally completed solo mode for all the original characters... and now I'm unlocking, ... who is this? Wow, it's a dude with a sword like Link! Marth? Who is he? He's going to be my new main!" It feels more rewarding for accomplishing difficult tasks, like 100-man melee to unlock Falco. Also, the stages are done well. To unlock Yoshi's Island, you must get 400m on Homerun Contest. Who is best to use for this? Yoshi. It makes sense. 3.) As much as I like Cloud, and as much as Sonic fits so well into the game, I liked it when Smash Bros was a Nintendo game with Nintendo characters. I was a big Cloud fanboy back when Melee was in its prime, and I wanted the next game to have Cloud, but was willing to accept the game is about Nintendo, not Saga, Playstation, or X-Box. Similarly, I think Master Chief would be fun for Smash, but prefer to keep it primarily to Nintendo games.
P.S. Regarding Zelda, yeah, Ultimate is the best version of Zelda. She was alright in Melee, but Brawl Zelda was rough. She is most playable in Ultimate, most fun personality, and yes, she is really pretty in Ultimate.
Hot take: fire emblem isn’t over represented and smash players don’t like it just because they don’t like the game and if any other series got that many characters they wouldn’t care
I think it’s a case of it being about as large as Mario and Pokemon while not having the same level of popularity. I personally don’t care, I like playing all of them besides robin (I don’t like the playstyle), Martha (Lucina is more fun) and Byleth (I don’t own them)
Definitely not because most of them are swordfighters and 4 of them are super similar. Or that they should not have the same amount of characters as literally the most popular gaming series and one of the biggest money makers in gaming. Definitely not that.
I used to be all for Geno in Smash just because of how popular of a request he is, but then I played Super Mario RPG and now I wonder why people want him in Smash. Dry Bones would unironically be a better choice. Also, Freddy Fazbear would be the perfect Mii costume.
Steve definitely shouldn't be BANNED, but (online at least, tournaments are too far away from me) he's one of my least favorite characters to play against because if you go with his camping he gets stronger but if you don't you get punished, which is pretty bad character design
Hot take: Triforce Slash is an actual good final smash, so what if it's not an original move? So what if the triforce has never done anything like it before? So what if it is lore inaccurate? It looks cool and that's more than enough, not every final smash has to be a reference, orignal stuff is cool too
New alts should’ve been in Smash Bros Ultimate Peach - new alts from peach showtime shadow queen Bowser - dark bowser Zelda - possessed Zelda and BOTW alt Mewtwo - shadow mewtwo from Pokemon Tournament DX Definitely fixed Game and Watch alts
On paper, triforce slash is not the worst. It's loosely based on wishing on the triforce, and that's fine. It has decent animation work as well... and... uh... In practice, on characters as big as the LINKS, there is so much missed potential. Toon Link has SO MUCH STUFF from his games. The train, the ganondorf fight, etc. Young Link is worse. He had to be CUSTOM MADE for this game since he wasn't in brawl or sm4sh. And guess what? HE ALREASY HAS A PERFECT FINAL SMASH. *Fierce Diety Link* It's one of the most obvious inclusions. Even if he just clobbers the hell out of the opponent in a cutscene, it would still be fine. I think they fumbled the bag with Link as well. Not Triforce Slash anymore, but the Divine Beast mega laser makes more sense than an item you can get dozens of.
Maybe I could agree if the two characters who gad that Final smash didn’t have way more potential than that. Seriously are you going to tell me Young Link turning into Fierce deity wouldn’t have been better?
As the biggest Xenoblade fan you’ll ever meet, yeah it’s represented fine. I think having Adult Shulk and Adult Rex in place of Shulk and Pyra would be better, if not just replace pyra with normal rex. Also add Noah or Mio
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with your brother, Zelda's TP design is much more better than her ALTTP design, because she feels like an actual princess rather than a girl cosplaying as one.
I agree with your take on Mario's moveset, but I do NOT think it extends to Kirby's. While power-ups in the Mario series are more of a extra aspect assisting the main platforming gameplay, the Kirby series relies on its copy abilities a lot more for challenges, puzzles, and overall level design. Plus, while Mario's moveset emphasizes his platforming roots, Kirby's only emphasizes his series' low skill floor. Kirby games (at least theoretically) are all about reaction, using copy abilities you find throughout a stage to your advantage in combat and movement, or even using no ability to use those enemies and even some attacks as your means of attack. I think Kirby's moveset in Smash should change to reflect this reactionary playstyle, most likely in the shape of a bait-and-punish archetype. Maybe his inhale could reflect projectiles like Dedede's, only faster. Though being easy to pick up and play should also be an important part, as that not only is a big appeal to Kirby games but is also Kirby's purpose in Smash as a whole.
I still have no Idea why Geno, of all the possible characters to ask for is so popular. He's one character in one game, that from my knowledge, isn't any more important than Mallow from the same game. Not only are there better characters in general than Geno who deserve a spot more but there are even other Mario characters that deserve to be in more. Waluigi, Toad, heck I'd argue a Goomba deserve a spot more than Geno. Another hot take I have is that Ultimate has too many third-party characters. I think third party characters are great, but they feel less special when most of the newcomers in Ultimate were comprised of them. Brawl and Smash 4 had the perfect third party to first party ratio.
@@autismandgaming4532 I agree with you, Despite technically being another version of Mario, Paper Mario is a way better way to rep the RPG side of Mario than Geno.
Odyssey you should really rank every idle animation in smash. I love your rankings and I think it would be a good video. As far as I know no one has done it yet. Just throwing out ideas but I think it would be cool to see.
I'LL TAKE THE BULLETS BANDANA DEE DESERVES TO BE IN
YES !
it is a stupid hill to die on, but i'm gonna die on it anyway brother.
@@BandannaDee-BwdOf course you'd want Bandanna Dee
I endorse this statement.
real, a new Kirby rep would be peak!! Marx or Bandana Dee would be amazing
Guys, hot take, but I think Mario will be back in Smash 6.
He's a really obscure character, I doubt that he's coming back.
I don't know, I have my doubts.
ain't no way
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😂i love the sarcasm
The biggest issue I have with spirits is there is no descriptions. As a kid I loved reading the all of the trophy descriptions in Melee, Brawl and Smash 4 and learning about new franchises.
With Spirits you can't really learn about an unknown franchise. If you don't get the refference in the spirit battle then there's no real way in the game to learn more about it.
they have to translate the game is the problem. descriptions for over hundreds of spirits would be too much work
@@NickKings59 And yet trophies would have had to be translated as well. Your point being?
@@friendlyyoutubecommenter4527Smash Ultimate has 1,200+ spirits compared to Smash 4’s trophy cap of around 740.
@@NickKings59 A group of like 10 employees could get it done relatively quickly.
Hot Take: The "Character has no moveset potential" argument is stupid and makes no sense.
Legit we got Captain Falcon, the NES/retro reps, Sheik, and R.O.B. to name a few.
We got a freakin *potted plant,* how was that even an argument?
unfortunately, we got rob 😔
People only ever said this when they just didn't want said character in the game so theyd just put this label on them
Literally. Movesets are only about references. They are about getting the feel of the character and the game.
Don't forget Isabelle and Villager, two characters from a series that have next to no violence, yet they feel perfectly natural in Smash. Honestly the fact that they come from such a series makes it even better, Isabelle and Snake feel like they shouldn't be in the same game, yet they are and I love it.
As someone who follows competitive smash, let me explain why spectators hate Steve so much (without being rude like a lot of people are)
1. To start, Steve is plain and simple the best character in the game by far. It's easier to win with him compared to the rest of the cast.
2. Steve's combos do too much damage and he can kill way too early with diamond weapons. This makes comebacks less impressive and exciting, and more upsetting due to how easy it was to get back into the game. Comebacks are exciting and impressive because they're hard to pull off. For Steve, they aren't.
3. Steve is also a pretty campy character. He needs to farm up diamond as fast as possible, so he puts up a wall and hides behind it to mine. This is frustrating to watch because it's not engaging to watch Steve's opponent helplessly try and break through that defense without getting harshly punished.
4. Risk-reward for Steve is unfair. Any time an opponent engages with Steve, they are at risk of getting hit by a 60% combo or dying. You have to play perfectly in order to beat him. Meanwhile, punishing Steve is really really hard. Moves like back air, f smash, minecart, and anvil are all insanely strong and there is next to no risk to the Steve player to mash them. Normally, it'd be the threat of losing resources, but this isn't a problem for Steve in smash since he can easily put up a wall and get more resources before the opponent can break through.
All of this leads to a frustrating viewing experience watching Steve. It all just comes down to not wanting to watch the easier, more broken character win over and over again. It's especially frustrating because Nintendo stopped patching the game, and THEN Steve players figured out how to play the character at a top level, so he can't be nerfed. A nerf would fix everything - make blocks more easily destroyed, make tools weaker across the board, make mining a little laggier. These things would help. But as he is, no one's gonna like watching Steve or seeing him win.
I'm not a fan of Steve but I like how they managed to get his side view well, using a Family Guy approach.
Considering that is the Smash community we’re in, you already know that there’s going to be those 3 or 4 offended players who main Steve going crazy in the comments.
@@AGZhark I think most people who play Steve honestly do just like Steve, which is why they feel the need to defend him so hard.
he's not the best character and certainly not by a mile
@@KingObliv This take shows a lack of knowledge on the game. 99% of competitive players and TOP players agree on this. I'm not arguing for a ban, simply stating the obvious which is that Steve is the best character in the game by far. He is not lacking in a single area. Elite recovery, combos, kill power, disadvantage state, dominates the neutral game, risk-reward. Everything Steve has is top notch. This is basic stuff.
Totally agree with everything you said in the Mario section. It sometimes feels like smashers value references a little too much. I think getting a character's feeling is the most important part of making a character. For example, Meta Knight has like 4 moves that actually come from his series but he still has a feel of an agile knight with swift attacks. Everything Mario does in Smash is super in line with how he would fight in my opinion and I think any massive shake ups hurts the synergy he has. Characters like Mega Man and the Belmonts are cool but I think they soured the waters of how people see character improvisation.
Yeah, if you rely on references too much you get the characters from Nick All-Star Brawl and MultiVersus who all have awkward movesets because the developers tried to cram in as many references and memes as possible.
@@DarkOverlord96 I think that happens because the references are only visual stuff and most of the moves do functionally the same thing, some canon representation on characters like DK, Sonic or Ganon would be great.
The worst cases of references is of course Steve, where they aimed to make him play Minecraft in Snash, and while they got the technical challenge mostly done, it was not a good idea to make him play Minecraft in Smash, for so many reasons.
@@sharmakefarah2064 He's just overtuned, a few number tweeks and he'll be alright.
Mega Man has done irreversible damage to moveset speculation
Hot Take: Geno fans are the most annoying character request fans by a mile.
People who love Geno also loove to tell you
Mainly cuz (especially prior to the remake) most of them haven’t even played Mario rpg
Not that hot
Bandana dee fans*
Still better than the people wanting Goku or Shrek.
People say watching Steve is boring because they often hide behind blocks and mine on the other side of the stage, not constantly engaging
It’s just puff again
I also don’t think many spectators hate kazuya. Like you can’t watch tea’s kazuya and not be entertained. It’s fighting him that’s frustrating especially with characters like wolf.
@@kanyegrande4312I think it's exciting in a frustrating way. Your favorite player is a stock up and just outfoxed Kazuya 10 times in a row only to get hit twice and now they're losing.
@@CarbonMalite i gave kazuya a unique nickname after my most recent fight with him, the "six hit wonder." for... obvious reasons
AE, sonic but stronger
10:13 Yo it’s a me
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Your right
Love it lol. I gave no thoughts, all Zelda look bad.
A few hot takes I have:
- Bowser's new final smash is actually a way better choice than his old one. Instead of having it entirely taken over by the smash-original reference to Melee, the attack represents the most fitting choice, Giant Bowser, and also represents both Yoshi's Island and SMG2 in small ways. Then, using Giga Bowser for visual variety adds the Melee reference as just another layer on top of the base, instead of being the entire reference.
- Characters should have no obligation to maintain movesets from the previous games. Especially in the cases of characters like Ganondorf or Sonic, I think that full overhauls should definitely be options that are considered. Sure, some players will feel alienated, but the same happens when characters are outright cut, and we've accepted that that's bound to happen.
- I'm not a fan of Ultimate's stage roster. I think that it's way too reliant on old stages, and unlike the characters, doesn't even have the excuse of bringing back _all_ of the old ones. I would've much preferred if they primarily focused on new stages, with a relatively small amount of returning ones.
As a Ganondorf main that finds his moveset super fun, I would love more than anything else for him to get a new moveset that not only makes him competitively viable, but actually represents him well as a character. Tears of the Kingdom gave them so much to work with so now would be a better time than ever.
Ganondorf is one of the most played characters though. I would personally prefer if it stayed the same- maybe with some buffs, but definitely not a complete overhaul
As for stages they should’ve added;
Sky Tower (Kirby RTDL)
Alolan Pokemon League
Sunset Heights (Sonic Forces)
Battle Stadium (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe)
@@ethantreadway9478 I'd personally also add:
- Ancestral Steppe from Monster Hunter. I think the best way to go about it would be to have it be set in Area 4, and the background could feature Great Jaggi, Kecha Wacha, Gore Magala or Seregios, with a small chance of them being Frenzied (or enraged, in the case of Gore Magala) Area 3 could also be a suitable setting for the stage as well, but I like the look of Area 4 more.
Why not bring back absolutely everything in smash history and only ever add without ever removing anything?
I’m surprised no one else mentioned Classic Mode only having one stock (seriously, some rounds with certain characters are WAY too difficult). And I do agree that Master Kohga should be the next Zelda rep.
I somehow managed to beat 9.9 with Ryu before I even got really good at the game. It was very difficult.
I agree with you as well.
I preferred classic mode when we had the option of 1-5 stocks, scale the rewards down for having mor than one stock if you must , don't remove the option to have more than one life entirely
I ended up getting to 9.8 once and RAGED when I realized that you have to play absolutely PERFECTLY to get 9.9.
The current classic mode is a backstep IMHO.
The idea of a little story for each character is cute, but with so many characters they could have done a multipath tale with different endings for each character.
I hope they will do that in the next Smash Bros.
Also more bosses. Duon was cool and Queen Sectonia would be a nice boss too.
Master Hand and Crazy Hand must be tired of doing more than half of the job.
@@hyperfairy7779 Yes. I once did this in melee and it was still pretty difficult even with 3 stocks.
0:05 That and every other fighting game community
super smash bros crusade?
Skullgirls, Tekken, Brawl stars(?) have all their communities.
9:49 Well, remember, as Delzethin said, the only reason Fire Emblem has so many characters is because “everyone is here”
Waluigi: “Why are we still here? Just to suffer?”
That doesn't really justify anything
At least a couple of those characters could've simply not been added in their original games to begin with and that's it. The Everyone is Here gimmick brought them back, but there was never any need for, say, Roy or Corrin
@@robotnick9867 leave my boy Roy alone.
That’s Ultimates Gimmick! Every fighter in Super Smash Brothers history is here! And that sadly means Lucina and Robin. Marth and Roy got English Voices, Ike can now be his 2 versions, Chrom is added, and Corrin fits with the theme of World of Light. This also means the game wasn’t Ultimate Corrin stays for fitting and they would add Chandelure in place of Pichu.
i remember an alpharad video back when byleth was revealed that I have to agree with, even as a non fire emblem fan: having a lot of different characters is a really important part of the series. So the most accurate way to represent fire emblem in smash is by having a lot of characters.
As a bandana dee for smash advocate myself,
I feel attacked.
Edit: Eyo that’s me
Bandee makes the most sense to complete the quartet, but I think that Magolor would make for a more interesting fighter.
Magolor or Marx. I see Marx as the most possible tbh.
4:44 Steve and Kazuya become boring to watch if you've watched a ton of top level gameplay for them. Once you watch enough top level Steve and Kazuya gameplay you start to see that they constantly fish for the same low risk high reward combos. And while the element of volatility can make things interesting, plenty of people don't like seeing someone constantly outplaying a Steve or Kazuya player only for them to lose their stock off of one or two interactions.
That being said I respect your take because there was a time where I enjoyed watching Steve and Kazuya. I just kinda ruined it for myself by watching too much competitive Smash.
ive been competing for a while and Riddle’s is still my favorite player lol
Cool take: indie games should get more representation than spirits, assist trophies, and mii costumes. I mean, I guess Steve WAS Indie but like come on
I love how it only took being the best selling video game of all time to get a playable indie character. Makes you wonder who number two will be.
We'll probably get a playable Indie in Smash before Silksong 💀
@@DeCryptid23 Freedy 🐻
@@Andycandyman24 Yeah, I could see it
Undertale is the most likely candidate
I really dislike how Bowser and Donkey Kong have realistic animal sounds despite other characters like Junior and Banjo getting actual voices
"I want my groawl and oo aa Bowser and DK" -Sakurai
Forget Waluigi, I think they should add the Moon from Majora's Mask as the next big playable character in Smash 6
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L opinion. Add waluigi
Neutral B: Genocide
@@chickenlegsmcgee9246L-er opinion. Add Shantae.
13:51 heres my counter take: thats fumbest fucking thing ive ever heard. It is a video game series. Why would you not limit it to video games. If you want a platform fighter with characters from anything make it yourself
Fumbest Ducking
@@autismandgaming4532 lmao I didn't even realize that
@@supersmashseandx1991 Reminds me of TFS' Garlic Jr. calling his minions "shipdits".
@@LloydTheZephyrian I'm gonna start using that
And we are seeing a rise in platform fighters based off non-videogame IPs.
Nick All-Star Brawl 2 is the best of the ones we got, with a balanced roster of Nicktoons and even the addition of a Guilty Gear styled super meter to spice things up. From Spongebob and Ninja Turtles to IPs we haven't seen in years like El Tigre and Angry Beavers, the NASB2 roster and even the roguelike campaign mode has something for everybody.
Multiversus has well-thought-out movesets and cool character choices, but is chained by molasses game speed, a horridly-paced singleplayer mode, and predatory monetization that would make even Fortnite blush. Believe me, like Odyssey flashed up onscreen, I wish MvS was actually good, but Warner Bros. wants to give a console fighting game the quality of a mobile game.
You know, I might get torched for this, but i DONT want Geno to be added in Smash 6, I already wasnt a huge fan of SM RPG, but overall he is just an OKAY character, like sure he has the things to be a fighter but I think he just isnt as relevant as other Mario characters on the roster, I much rather take someone like Rayman who hasnt had a new game for a while
I never cared about Geno because I never played SM RPG.
The thing about Geno is that the Mii Gunner's moveset is honestly already pretty much perfect for him.
That's why I would want the next Smash game to go all in on the idea of Deluxe Mii Costumes;
Basically add the character to the game with some unique animations/effects and voice lines, but take the moveset from Mii Fighters so you don't have to spend time developing a whole new character.
And then give the option to display them on the character select screen, similar to how you get to choose whether or not echo fighters show up.
Cuphead is another one whose moveset is already pretty much perfect as Mii Gunner.
huh why do u dislike smrpg
Isn't Ultimate considered Smash 6?
@@luisinloza9683
Smash 64 is 1
Smash Melee is 2
Smash Brawl is 3
Smash 4 is oh I dunno, 4?
Smash 3DS is the 3DS version of Smash 4
(See it as Mario Maker 3DS)
Smash Ultimate is 5
Hot Take: Most final smashes are TERRIBLE. I want to use powerful moves that feel like part of the moveset, not watch a cutscene or devastate the screen. Some examples of characters who do it right are Mario, Ness, and Ryu.
I agree. My personal least favourite change from 4 to ultimate was Pit losing the Three Sacred Treasures. Felt like bro was raining Destruction on the land now he just shouts "Lightning Chariot" and summons a macguffin
Mario is final smash isn't that great.
Wii fit trainer FS>>
250k special should be a ranking of every item in Minecraft, it would be a very long video but so would ranking every 2D Mario level and that’s happening anyway
probably a better idea to save that for 300k or something though because the 2d mario level video is probably gonna be out by the time he has to start working on a minecraft one.
What if some alts of Smash Bros Ultimate could’ve been like those
Villager - villager of MK8D male and female and new alt from New Horizons
Rosalina - young alt from the storybook and Biker Outfit
Greninja - fixed the shiny Toxicroak alt Delphox and Chesnaught alt
Definitely fixed PAC MAN alt to be Ms PAC MAN and the ghosts
Bowser JR and the koopalings are okay
Duck Hunt- Nintendo Dog Snoopy and Woodstock alt Clifford alt and Herdier and Ducklett alt
@@vanessasandoval96you can't make chestnaught and delphox alts of greninja, they are extremely different
The same goes for Pac-man and the ghosts, and ms pacman had legal issues
saying "that's happening anyway" doesn't really work in this context.
To the viewer, it makes sense. As you said, we're getting a long video anyway.
However, from the production side, it doesn't really work, as it essentially doubles the time taken
he's only 18k away and he's not even done with the 2D mario level video yet. realistically he won't get much of a break before getting to work on another big video
“I mean say you want Bandana Dee in Smash and you’re gonna get shot.”
*that was me*
Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf absolutely should have had there smash 4 designs as alts. Most of Ganondorf’s alts look exactly the same anyway so why not use different models
I personally think that Gooigi has a lot of potential to be an echo or even just an alt for luigi
i'd say Gooigi fit's better as an alt for Luigi rather then a clone
it'd work as an alt for sure, but a full on echo wouldn't cuz it'd then have to have costumes of its own, and what would you even do beyond recolors?
I was thinking the alts from the luigi's mansion dlc where he has tons of outfits
Alt would be great
Having Batman, Robin, and Joker all from different franchises would be funny
Close enough! We have Pacman, Robin and Joker.
Hot Take: Kirby is cute
Is this really hot?
@@WonkyWater-YT ok, Hot Take: Forkknife is the worst game to ever exist
He's not that cute when I kill him with my K Rool tbh
Poyo
@@TheSultan1470 Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
Some people act like their too good for Bandana Dee
Yeah
He was fine in Smash Flash but I don't care for him
- Mewtwo's moveset is so bad. I've never really seen anyone call it out, but it does not feel like you're playing as the most powerful Psychic-type. Even something like swapping Disable for a strong Psychic-type move like Future Sight would do so much
- If you don't think they're gonna put a new Fire Emblem, Pokemon, and Xenoblade rep in the next Smash, you're capping
- Assist Trophies should get a Final Smash Meter treatment in the next Smash. Plenty other fighting games have a similar character support summon system, and it would be a way to give some of those underdogs some more representation
- Alternate colors are just fine, they don't need to give everyone these custom skins
Assist trophies having that is just a bad idea. Games that have them would revolve around them since it'll be a free final smash + assist. I get that items are really good and unbalanced but there still is a line.
i personally hate fighting against mewtwo, he hits like a truck.
As a Shulk main and Xenoblade dick rider, i wouldnt mind then dropping Shulk and Aegis in the next game, updating to Noah/Mio.
In fact, the entire roster should just be an “updated nintendo cast,” reboot the series. Finally get Game and Watch and R.O.B out of here lol
@@benjimiguel17I don't have any opinions on they first takes, but I disagree on the third one. Going back to the series being just Nintendo characters would be a really lame downgrade. I also really hate when people talk about "rebooting" the Super Smash Bros. franchise. A reboot means resetting the continuity, but there zero reason to do that to Smash. The main gameplay doesn't follow any storyline, and for a an actual Story Mode they could totally come up with another one, World of Light ending doesn't prevent them from continuing the story. (For some reason some people think everyone dies in the true ending wich is just not true, only Galleem and Darkhon died.)
@@Josue_S_6411 Eh, I think it could heavily benefit from a reboot, for multiple reasons.
1: Sakurai is no longer part of the development. This would give whoever is newly in charge of development to create a new identity for the franchise, separating the Sakurai and post-Sakurai eras of the game.
2: It is a Nintendo property, and we know damn well that any game past Ultimate is NOT going to get past those licenses. One can only imagine how much trouble it was to get Sora, Snake, Cloud, etc this time around. If they allow non Nintendo characters next game, it will not be to the extent Ultimate was able to get, so it will just feel like a watered down roster when it comes to third party reps.
3: There are sooo many underrepresented Nintendo characters that could be taking up slots. Cloud is cool, but there are just as cool characters in current Nintendo IPs that can have a similar playstyle. Smash, in the end, was made to advertise and promote Nintendo IPs, and that isn’t a bad thing. I wouldn’t have discovered Xenoblade if it wasn’t for Smash, saw the weab lightsaber sword in 4 and was like “i gotta see more of that!”
4: And of course, a series reboot would finally allow for some reworked and updated characters. I know he said that “Mario doesn’t need an updated moveset,” but they are missing out on so many mechanics. Odyssey movement would be sick as a character, which there are Rivals of Aether workshop mods that prove that. Same for a BoTW and ToTK Link. Samus, Yoshi, all the Pokemon, so many characters in the game that could be reworked. We always talk about “DLC Treatment” but a reboot may finally allow the current cast to receive that “DLC Treatment” instead of reserving it for 3rd Parties only
Honestly, I like Disable as a Smash move for Mewtwo. Feels super psychic with how he basically just stuns you by looking at you.
Almost all 64 reps feel extremedly outdated, like, how does DK not have a barrel, or link still represent mostly OOT 25 years later, Samus being a one button character, yoshi an aerial spammer with no depht, puff lacking any sort of fairy type move etc. And compare them to the DLC fighters who have very distictive playstyles loaded with attention to detail and care.
Add Kirby to the list. In theory, Kirby could be different each game since his moveset potential is endless. There's no reason he should still rely on foot attacks and the same specials (that don't function like the games). He should have a projectile!
@@djdrizzy9139 True, basically all characters except fox and Falcon, which even if outdated, are extremedly iconic designs, deserve a redesign, even though some need it more than others.
@@djdrizzy9139yeah but kirby is fun so
@@sobblegaming350 I love my boy, but he would be even more fun with a new move set. I enjoy playing him more in his games than Smash. Besides, the same moves get stale after 20+ years.
Not every character needs to be overcomplicated with a million bars and meters and menus and bs
But I agree in terms of at least swapping a few moves to represent recent stuff
Here's a hot take: Fire Emblem isn't over-represented, but POORLY represented. 3/8 of them are bland self-insert avatars added for marketing purposes, and another 3/8 of them are clone characters to make development easier, leaving Marth and Ike as the only truly warranted additions on their own. The need to represent exclusively sword-wielding protagonists restricts not only moveset potential, but also the personalities these fun side characters could bring to the table, one of the main reasons Fire Emblem fans even like the franchise. Everyone I know would much rather have Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude, or even all 3 swapping together like Pokémon Trainer over *Byleth...* someone like Anna or Tiki would've done an amazing job representing the franchise as a whole as well. Heck, they could even give Fire Emblem its own fighting game to save Smash fans the trouble, they've sure got the roster for it!
The thing with Fire Emblem is that they add the main protagonist from every main game, and honestly some of these characters have really fun and unique movesets.
Robin, Byleth and Corrin all have really fun and unique movesets, even if some of these characters are kinda hated for being yet another FE character. Along with that, there's also some characters that are also self insert protagonists in the series (see Mr. Game & Watch and Pokemon Trainer)
I think the character choices aren't very great and it'd be nice to get some side characters instead of just the main character from every significant game, but the movesets they go with are still really fun to play. I genuinely enjoy my time using every character from the series even if they share too much overlap for my liking.
I'd argue at least the Robin's themselves are fine cause they at least their moveset represents the magic from Fire Emblem well enough, and that makes them unique from the other fights.
Although I feel that Fire Emblem should be more open to add characters from the older games, especially since some of them use things other their swords as their main weapons
i'd argue marth ike and robin are alright fighters. i'd love to see them add a very different character from all three though. maybe a knight/general would be an interesting addition, or an archer? or go wild with a wyvern rider. fire emblem is so much more than just lords.
Here is the thing, you're right with them being poorly represented but they are also over represented being tied for 2nd yet despite this have nearly double the rep of all Nintendo games under them.
In the 2 smash games of DLC there is 3 FE DLC characters, which I believe is the highest a single series has from DLC. All in positions where unless you were psychic you wouldn't realize not buying the pass is cheaper now. When other Nintendo series struggle to get more then 1-3 reps this is absolutely over representation.
Fire Emblem has a bunch of good things, but Nintendo has given people legitimate reason to despise it.
if when you mention bland self insert avatar you are including robin, i think you shouldn't count him, i personally don't view him as a bland avatar at all, he's the coprotagonist with chrom and i like him as a character and barely think about them as an avatar aside from the customization, i think of them as the best integrated avatar out of all of them in fire emblem
Wow. Didn't even read my hot take? Unbelievable. Unsubscribing. Resubscribing. Installing dislike extension. Banning on Twitter. Following on SoundCloud. This is my TH-camr? Wow. Cool Bowser clip.
Crossover culture in the early 2010s via the MCU, has directly affected internet culture and tainted/ruined Smash as a whole.
The HD Smash titles as a whole have transformed Smash Bros into a massive crossover event that's only rivaled by Fortnite in terms of sheer scale and quantity gaming/media icons.
For better AND for worse, every hype cycle for the game devolves into fans clamoring for the every 3rd party rep under the Sun after 4 gave us Megaman in the E3 reveal trailer. Especially in Ultimate's case after we got most of the big 1st party requests. It's gonna make the roster culling of Smash 6 a painful one.
I'm always thankful for Brawl simply because of the era it came out in. It's a perfect time capsule that shows us a world where massive sweeping crossovers weren't EXPECTED to happen. Only Snake and Sonic.
100% agree. And honestly it probably doesn’t matter what characters are added, since people will be disappointed no matter what.
Ok video game analyst
If they ever add a new kirby character it HAS to be magolor he would be so fun
Bruh
Bruh
It would and should 100% be Bandana Waddle Dee.
@@ScLuigi I like bandanna Dee but magolor would have such an amazing moveset (also I prefer magolor smh)
As a certified Magolor simp (surprising I know) I would love for him to be in the game but I definitely think Bandana Dee should be added first. He really deserves it.
Bandana dee would be good, if it will be similar to pmex remix Bandana Dee where his moveset referencess not only him, but also classic Kirby abilities
My hot take, final smashes peaked in Brawl. A lot of the cutscene and streamlined final smashes came in Smash 4, while Brawl they thought out of the box for a lot, like Luigi's
A lot of them were way too gimmicky though
@@ThatSquirtleGuylol yeah, like Luigi's final smash in brawl was very gimmicky, and they had to change Dedede's 3 times, and i think his current one fits him a lot more then what he had before
Luigi's final Smash in Ultimate is way better, honestly.
@@Josue_S_6411 ikr, brawls usually lacked origins and just felt clunky
Big Gay Dance
I disagree btw
The lack of cutscenes isn't the only reason people don't like World of Light, people also just don't think the gameplay is good. Subspace had a massive amount of flaws, bit it was a proper adventure with actual levels. World of Light is basically a 20 hour long compilation of samey event matches
I have a similar issue here. I also didn't like how much pointless movement was there, and I didn't like the post-Galeem fights as much, and think it could have just not have a battle against both Galeem and Dharkon.
@@sharmakefarah2064 To be fair, the Galeem/Darkhon double boss fight was pretty nicely donez with it feeling like a three-way fight, as Galeem and Darkhon can target each other.
Also, Master Hand being *officially* playable for the first time is awesome.
I think most people misunderstand the concept of characters getting move set remakes in the next game. Sure, it would be cool to see characters get new move sets, but not everyone needs one. I think the characters that 100% need to go through this are DK, Samus, Luigi, Ganondorf, and Sonic, as their move sets are either poor representations of the characters have been outdated in the case of Samus. (And if anyone complains about their main getting changed, the Echo Fighters could keep the older move sets.)
not luigi my bae
I wanna update Mario to a moveset that is more “3D plat-former” oriented. Use Odyssey Mario, adding dives, ground pounds, Cappy Movement, long jumps etc.
If the echos are supposed to represent a character who's moveset has changed entirely, then they're not echoes anymore.
On one hand, I would like for Dark Samus to be the classic samus well normal samus evolves as a character. But at the same time, an updated Samus sounds even more campy and I'd like to see Dark Samus be more original. Regardless, I'd like one of them to keep the classic moveset, as I am quite fond of it.
14:27 We can take the Batman from the Arkham serie
8:48 cool bowser my beloved
My hot take is that Mai Shiranui being completely excluded from Smash is bullshit, they had a LOT of ways to put her in the game without having to change the age rating but they just choose to be lazy and not even try.
But they still gave Pyra and Mythra jiggle physics. For "good boys and girls of all ages" indeed.
@@DeCryptid23 they said it was for censorship but Mythra in tights is hotter than Mythra without tights
@@DeCryptid23honestly which things are and aren’t child friendly is completely arbitrary anyway.
@algotkristoffersson15 Bayonetta and Persona 5 for instance
@@DeCryptid23 Also Krystal wears fuck-all, and she still made it in somehow
It’s funny when you realize that Smash Ultimate actually does have an anime rep. That being Lucario. So to the person wanting an anime character rep there ya go. Yes Lucario came out in an anime movie before he was in a Pokémon game.
No, he was in a movie before a mainline pokèmon game. But even before that he was in mystery dungeon. (Albeit only as backstory character, you can’t interact with any of him in the game itself
@@algotkristoffersson15 that’s not true at all. The mystery dungeon game came after the movie.
Movie was released on July 6 2005. The mystery dungeon games did not come out until November 17 of the same year in Japan. So yes he is an anime character.
He is still associated with games more than movies.
@@Josue_S_6411 yes but still an anime movie character as that’s what he appeared in first. Doesn’t change that fact.
@@Lugiamasterbrony but actually he’s a game character because the anime movie he is from is a spinoff of a video game game series.
Hot take, i think king boo is more important to add than waluigi because it can represent a whole other corner of the mario universe being luigis mansion
I don't think Wlauigi should be added tbh, also true
About that Geno take, as someone who does advocate for Geno being in Smash, I do sadly have to agree. Toad and Waluigi are literally right there and are still waiting, and I do think they’re more likely to get picked first over my gun-toting puppet.
Oh, and by the way, The reason why Geno is a popular choice for many is due to his prominence in the plot of Super Mario RPG, and has a unique striking design with guns for arms. Also, other niche and obscure Nintendo characters appeared in Smash and became fan favorites, like Ness, Captain Falcon, and Mr. Game and Watch. Even Sakurai wanted him in both Brawl and Smash 4, so he’s had Geno on his mind. The problem is with Square Enix and them being notoriously difficult to deal with.
10:38 You're wrong here. Maybe having damsel in distress Zelda design looks better to you, but not only does Twilight Princess Zelda actually fight, she's also cool as shit.
It’s not about the game though, it’s about the actual design. Also both link and ganondorf changed from twilight princess to a different game, leaving Zelda on twilight princess would’ve been weird. Also she has an alt for it
@@ThatSquirtleGuylol Idk. I still just really prefer the design from TP. Plus the alt just isn't the same.
@@osteohiveporosis6882 uhhh? you've seen the new game right, she's using this costume to fight this time so yeah she's also fighting now
Gee it's almost like this is an opinionated hot takes video
@@_Ike Yes. And I'm playing into the rage bait.
Crash Bandicoot should’ve been a DLC fighter!
And Coco could’ve been an echo!
Hey what if Odyssey can make video of which a new costume origin of smash bros should stay and could’ve been in smash
Mario - definitely bring back fire Mario Wario alt Mario with sunglasses and outfit from Mario sunshine and 64 Mario
DK - punching gloves
Link - with new alts from BOTW
Samus - ???
Yoshi - black white orange
Pikachu - Ash’s Pikachu wearing the cap from Kanto to Alola
Luigi - Gooigi and the other 3 alts from Luigi mansion 3 and Mr L being the 7th alt
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I fully expected him to be a fighter in the second pass with the release of Crash 4
@@Al_X-2005 While Sora was a great choice for the final character, I felt Crash would've been a decent final because he's also got a HUGE fanbase in Japan, so both sides of the world would've celebrated
Or even an alt!
Hot Take: Toad makes more sense as the Next Mario Rep over Waluigi, and Specially over Geno
What moveset would Toad even have? He doesn’t do much in the games.
@@Generalmituna8079Captain Toad maybe?
@@Generalmituna8079I just want the mushroom guy man...
@@Generalmituna8079 Toads are playable in plenty of 2D Mario games (pretty much all the modern ones), plus there's Captain Toad. The Mario Spinoff games (Kart, Party, other sports, etc.) are also pretty underutilized for movesets, so Toad could use elements from those.
@@Bupboy Understandable.
If they ever decided to do a Lego character, they literally have Chase McCain to use as a rep. He’s an OC (I’m pretty sure unless he got a set that I don’t know about) and there is definitely some potential for a moveset
I believe Chase's first appearance was LEGO City Undercover, so he counts.
Now, he DID get a polybag set in late 2012, but it was just a preorder bonus for his game in early 2013. He would go on to appear in two LEGO City sets and eventually as a playable character in LEGO Dimensions Year 2 (aka that time LEGO went the Skylanders route).
Hot take: Daisy should have a unique moveset based on her strikers charged debut with a mix of flower attacks for some ariel moves and crystal attacks for some ground moves.
Daisy should’ve been a “Mario Sport’s Rep” and Waluigi a “Mario Party” rep
Hot take Rosalina is better than Batman
Nuh uh
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13:17 As a sonic fan too, sonic has bad costumes i agree with u Odissey
DRY BONES WOULD HAVE BETTER COSTUMES!!!!!DRY BONES FOR SMASH!!!
I still can’t wait for the day Dry Bones gets added to smash and seeing Odyssey’s reaction
My hot take is that Pauline should 100% be added before Waluigi as the next Mario character. She's literally been in the games since 1981 (before Bowser, Peach, and Luigi) and could even be included as a Donkey Kong character instead if they want more DK representation. She's one of the most iconic video game characters of all time but still manages to be underrated. She should 100% be added
What would Pauline even do? Sing her way to victory?
@@maybefoxtart if they can make a moveset for Isabelle, they can make a moveset for Pauline
@@maybefoxtart She'd kick your ass
@@josiea.3855 Isabelle Sounds more interesting
With her getting in the new Mario Party, it is possible. stages like New Donk City (and 75m…) could be her home stages, and could represent odyssey along with Rosalina (Galaxy) and Mario / Bowser. Jr (Sunshine)
4:57 as someone who has never watched comp amash bros and know literally NOTHING about it, even i can tell your reasoning for steve is biased as hell sounding. Not saying there isnt a good reason, but the one you used central wasnt very good tbh😭
Hot take: Waluigi and Geno SHOULDN'T be playable. First of all, there are too many Mario characters, no matter how important the franchise is for Nintendo
Also, if the characters are not reliable for competitive Smash they'll end up forgotten and unused. A waste of space
geno i get, but i feel like due to waluigi being nothing but “the sports guy who nintendo fucks over”, you could realistically take him in a bunch of different ways and i think that’s cool.
@@jaco8822 The problem doesn't rely on whether or not Waluigi would make up for a good fighter (Which I honestly don't care). People tend to ask and beg for whatever character they can come up with and Nintendo may greenlight one of them, but that doesn't mean people will play with them
For example, people loved when Banjo-Kazooie were finally announced as playable characters, but nobody plays with them as people claim they have a "bad moveset", which I disagree with. Byleth's case is the exact opposite as people hated their inclusion, but they praised their moveset
If they are considered below the B tier in competitive standards everyone stops playing as them because they are not good enough. People will eventually forget Waluigi was playable at some point due to how lackluster his moveset and stats are, if it ever happens
I think the other reason kirby and Mario don’t need a rework is because they’re supposed to be simple. They’re beginner characters that anyone can use, complicating them would kind of ruin that
I agree with Mario and Kirby's moveset being great. They are the only characters that absolutely feel like they do in their source games.
Edit: Jesus Christ, relax with the replies.
Only thing I'd change is the jab, I know it's a reference to Fighter but it's a bit subtle. Idk what I'd change it to though
A lot of other fighters feel like they do in their home series/games, like Steve for example.
Yeah I've seen people saying that most of the original 12 should get a moveset revamp in the next game I couldn't disagree more. Even in the case of a character like DK where he doesn't represent his franchise all that well, I think it's still nice to have a character that acts as the basic heavy whose moveset is easy to understand. Plus when you revamp a moveset you're basically taking that character away from the people who actually enjoy them. This is why characters like Sonic and Ganon haven't gotten a revamp despite arguably needing it pretty bad.
Nope nope nope, Kirby isn't "bad" but doesn't accurately portray his source material. One example: inhale. Kirby has no issues sucking up enemy projectiles and spitting them back. In Ultimate, he can only spit back large projectiles, and has lots of lag when he auto swallows small projectiles. Kirby should be a zoners nightmare in Smash, but the opposite is true. Not to mention his other copy specials that are worse in function.
@@Josue_S_6411 Steve has a few issues like not losing his inventory upon death and being able to place blocks in the air, but yeah I'd say they did a decent job with Steve from purely a moveset point of view and ignoring how absurdly overtuned some of his moves are.
in regards to unlocking every character, i think it would be really cool if each character had a unique unlock condition as long as it was something small that didn't take more than a couple of matches. like, imagine if to unlock luigi you had to end a timed battle with a "2" as one of your KO digits (obviously a cheeky reference to his unlock condition in melee)
it'd be hard to make unique and fun ones for every unlockable in the game but if it was made possible then it'd be so much fun to speedrun unlocking every character by completing their unique conditions.
obviously i wouldn't want it to be the only way to unlock a character, but a quicker way to get the ones you want other than the weird classic mode chart or completing all of WoL just to get Roy.
Hey, you may might have thought of this before, but can you do a ranking of every smash bros win screen? Dumb idea I know but it’s content lol
What if some alt costumes that could’ve been smash ultimate
Meta Knight - Morpho Knight
Wario - Waluigi alt
Pokémon Trainer - Ash to be Red alt of the male and Dawn to be Leaf alt of the female
Definitely fix Sonic alt to be Knuckles Shadow Rouge Silver
Lucario - shiny alt
8:48 I will always be jamming to that
I will literally never understand why people think Corrin is a "boring" character. They've got a dragon form which gives them more unique attacks, and their sword is also a chainsaw. Last time I checked, dragons with chainsaws aren't that boring. Plus, he's way more interesting than Lucina, who's just "Marth but easy mode".
He is boring and his outfit looks lame. His dragon form doesn't change that he is just another boring swordfighter.
@@Josue_S_6411 More boring than Marth, Roy, Lucina, Ike, and Chrom combined? I don't think so.
@@bonedude666 2 of those characters are echo fighters, as in, they're litteraly not counted in the official number of playable characters + you have the option to make them share the same slots as marth and Roy respectively. There's no reason for anyone to complain about what is essentially a skin.
And Ike is just objectively fun to play as.
It’s literally because his game is regarded as a pretty hated Fire Emblem game, the Chainsaw sword is also locked behind a $20 DLC, and he was sandwiched between RYU, CLOUD, and BAYONETTA.
Corrin's game wasn't even released at the time of their announcement
As a new player to the Smash series, I think that unlocking characters was a great decision. It allowed for a sense of reward for playing, if I opened up the game and had all of the characters instantly, I wouldn’t have gotten into it as much as I am now. Also it only took me like 3 days and I barely played
“steve should have been replaced by dry bones and you cant change my mind”
Honestly, ANYBODY who wasn't Waluigi, Fortnite or Viridi could've/should've taken that blockhead's place.
Yes I can. Instead of replaci anyone they should have just had one more character somewhere between the actual ones with that character being dry bones. Like I don’t get why people think there’s some objective limit to the size of the DLC packs. Like no there isn’t, it’s only six characters long because they decided to make it that way. They could have made it whatever length they wanted to.
@@pinkiemeowstic89they choose to make it six characters long because they had six ideas for characters. Not the other way around. So there aren’t any slots to take.
3:05 I agree. I think it's ridiculously we were denied cutscenes because Sakurai wanted them off the internet. If anything that's greed, why wouldn't you want a "celebration of characters" to be widespread globally?
My biggest hot take is that Lucas is way more lame and annoying than Ness and it’s by a long shot.
I love his inclusion, but the fact there’s people who have the gall to say Ness is more annoying is crazy to me
PK FREEZE
As a former Lucas main, they’re equally matched. PK freeze is very annoying but down smash on ness or pk fire are also really bad. They’re equal in my eyes
About Kirby using his abilities in moveset : it doesn't need to change attacs mechanicly, just make animations represent certain moves
I honestly love watching Pythra, Kazuya, and especially Steve just straight up break the game in tournaments.
pyra and mythra take a lot of fundamental skill and knowledge to win with, even if they do it very well. You can’t just throw something out and expect to win.
The difference between her and the other two is that Steve and Kazuya give you little to no knowledge on how you would play other characters or learn the fundamental knowledge to win with them, you can’t do inputs with most of the cast (and kazuya’s inputs are very different than the other shodos) or block shenanigans.
That’s why I personally think they shouldn’t be compared.
@@LleytonSPDbased, also nice Nia pfp
@@LleytonSPDXenovblade profile photo. Yep. Biased.
@@AGZhark if i was biased then I wouldn’t be making a sound argument.
@@LleytonSPD While they aren't as overpowered as steve, I think that the Aegis are very poorly designed as a duo character. Every single other multi character had to very distict characters, but Aegis are just fast Swordie and slow swordie, Mythra frame data is absurd and her speed and combos are only balaced by her not being able to K.O. which instead of doing by interesting and skill testing set-ups like sheik or ZSS, she does by switching to a stroger version to herself. Worst designed duo in smash and it's not even close.
I think Sonic's costumes can work with Only Blue, cause he has quite a few iconic costumes he can wear, like the Soap shoes or the Riders Shoes and Glasses, i think it has potential if they reference more than those random hands in the Sonic 2 special stage or whatever the heck they meant to "reference"
9:08 I’m a big Xenoblade fan and even I think that it’s stupid to say it’s underrepresented. There’s only 4 games, one of which came out after they stopped doing Smash dlc and the other without a rep is the one on the WiiU that nobody played. Also Smash technically has 3 Xeno characters and we’ll definitely get Noah and/or Mio in the next Smash game
3:48
I think adding references to a character's home series in their moves can easily be done without taking away from what they already are. The animation of Mario's up air could be changed from a kick to a tanooki tail swipe without changing the hitboxes at all, since that move already hits in the same kind of arc in games like 3D Land/World.
Just saying, but lightning McQueen is technically eligible for smash as the cars movie promotional video game came out a few days before the first Cars movie.
@@FinniganRains-yn1yt ok but then lucario is technically ineligible, as it appeared in a movie before diamond and pearl came out
@icantthinkofaname4723 he was already in the diamond and Pearl E3 demos, so he is still eligible.
@@icantthinkofaname4723 No he's not, he was mentioned in Mystery Dungeon, which means he's eligible again
If you want a Lego character, Chase McCain from Lego City Undercover would be the perfect candidate since that game was his first ever appearance.
Honestly, if you want a moveset that uses Mario powerups, add Toad
The second half of the 50/50 split on the poll has arrived!
-Dry Bones- Crazy Dave for the next smash game
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Fun and games till for his down b he uses a chomper, burrows and hit kill the enemy
That was Minecraft Hot takes
@@Hipnopoleon Soon Smash Bros players will feel the pain of midair burrows…
Red (Classic/Toons Design) and Barry Steakfries for Smash! Crazy Dave would be cool too, I even made a Mii Gunner of him.
Metroid should have more characters in Smash than Fire Emblem. We only have Samus, Dark Samus, ZSS and Ridley when there is so much to choose from.
Sylux from Metroid Prime Hunters, or any of the other bounty hunters from that game
Rundas from Metroid Prime 3
Gandrayda, also from Metroid Prime 3
Raven Beak from Metroid Dread
A Prime series space pirate
I would yell if they added Raven Beak
The funny thing is about the "no non-video game characters in Smash" is that Sakurai legitimately considered James Bond for Melee, but decided against it during development (probably because dealing with all the legal bramble regarding using actor likeness and the JB rights holders in general)
Though out of all non video game characters at the time James Bond made an actual whole lot of sense just on the back of how successful and influential Goldeneye 007 was
Get James Bond in Smash 6, Nintendo
my hot take is that captain underpants needs to be nerfed. the mr krupp finger snap final smash does way too much knockback and damage
About adventure mode/world of light, I personally don't care at all for a story or even cutscenes. What I miss the most from Brawl's adventure mode is the sidescroller levels. I loved playing through these with different characters and fighting NPC enemies that are unplayable and only found in adventure mode. I know smash isn't a sidescroller beat em up but it was fun to have a mode where the game becomes that
I don't think Odyssey Central has played Brawl because he burly talks about it.
...but what about lego batman
hold up guys, he's cooking.
Echo fighter
6:16 I completely agree! Fassad SHOULD get added to the game! Glad you’re with me on this one! 😀
I completely agree about Mario's moveset. I have an idea that the more a character uses reference summons (such as unnaturally obtaining power ups, items, or other objects), it detracts from the character's ability to fight in their original game. Because of this I easily cringe at some of the moveset suggestions I see online. Even ROB has an intuitive moveset that could be soiled by forcing better references, as smash has given ROB a sort of new identity.
I feel like Mario should have an up special based on the Galaxy jump, and the cape should be swapped out for a simple Cap throw. It would stay in line with some pretty basic Mario abilities, while representing Mario's history well.
His basic attacks are reminiscent of Mario 64, his neutral special represents his most commonly used powerup across the 2D games, his down special represents Sunshine, his up special represents Galaxy and its sequel, and his side special represents Odyssey.
Adjust his taunts and victory screens to better represent some of his iconic poses (like the classic peace sign used in so many things) and I think like that would be perfect.
My 3 biggest hot takes:
1.) The final fight in World of Light where you face Galeem and Dharkon at the same time is a super fun final boss fight. The pacing is great, the challenge of dodging two bosses' attacks at the same time is a fun challenge, and there's a cool aspect to the fact that they damage each other. You don't quite want to kill either one until they're both weak, because they technically help you out with the other. However, the mandatory boss rush before it sucks.
2.) Melee had the best system for unlocking stuff. Yeah, Ultimate is quick and easy, but it feels empty. "Oh, yay, I just unlocked a random character for playing a random match." VS "Yeah, I finally completed solo mode for all the original characters... and now I'm unlocking, ... who is this? Wow, it's a dude with a sword like Link! Marth? Who is he? He's going to be my new main!" It feels more rewarding for accomplishing difficult tasks, like 100-man melee to unlock Falco. Also, the stages are done well. To unlock Yoshi's Island, you must get 400m on Homerun Contest. Who is best to use for this? Yoshi. It makes sense.
3.) As much as I like Cloud, and as much as Sonic fits so well into the game, I liked it when Smash Bros was a Nintendo game with Nintendo characters. I was a big Cloud fanboy back when Melee was in its prime, and I wanted the next game to have Cloud, but was willing to accept the game is about Nintendo, not Saga, Playstation, or X-Box. Similarly, I think Master Chief would be fun for Smash, but prefer to keep it primarily to Nintendo games.
P.S. Regarding Zelda, yeah, Ultimate is the best version of Zelda. She was alright in Melee, but Brawl Zelda was rough. She is most playable in Ultimate, most fun personality, and yes, she is really pretty in Ultimate.
since Microsoft now owns Activision I feel like they’re gonna push for Crash Bandicoot in the next Smash
I agree with the byleth take (byleth represents the weapon triangle)
Hot take: fire emblem isn’t over represented and smash players don’t like it just because they don’t like the game and if any other series got that many characters they wouldn’t care
I think it’s a case of it being about as large as Mario and Pokemon while not having the same level of popularity. I personally don’t care, I like playing all of them besides robin (I don’t like the playstyle), Martha (Lucina is more fun) and Byleth (I don’t own them)
half of them are bland anime sword fighters
Definitely not because most of them are swordfighters and 4 of them are super similar. Or that they should not have the same amount of characters as literally the most popular gaming series and one of the biggest money makers in gaming.
Definitely not that.
@@ThatSquirtleGuylolI suggest buying Byleth; they're pretty damn fun.
“Not over represented” but they have 8 characters 6 if you don’t count echoes and the series isn’t that popular
I used to be all for Geno in Smash just because of how popular of a request he is, but then I played Super Mario RPG and now I wonder why people want him in Smash. Dry Bones would unironically be a better choice.
Also, Freddy Fazbear would be the perfect Mii costume.
How do I never see the cool Bowser bit coming?
Steve definitely shouldn't be BANNED, but (online at least, tournaments are too far away from me) he's one of my least favorite characters to play against because if you go with his camping he gets stronger but if you don't you get punished, which is pretty bad character design
Hot take: Triforce Slash is an actual good final smash, so what if it's not an original move? So what if the triforce has never done anything like it before? So what if it is lore inaccurate?
It looks cool and that's more than enough, not every final smash has to be a reference, orignal stuff is cool too
hot take: every final smash has to be a reference (except giga bowser)
Oh boy... You're gonna take a beating lol
New alts should’ve been in Smash Bros Ultimate
Peach - new alts from peach showtime shadow queen
Bowser - dark bowser
Zelda - possessed Zelda and BOTW alt
Mewtwo - shadow mewtwo from Pokemon Tournament DX
Definitely fixed Game and Watch alts
On paper, triforce slash is not the worst. It's loosely based on wishing on the triforce, and that's fine. It has decent animation work as well... and... uh...
In practice, on characters as big as the LINKS, there is so much missed potential.
Toon Link has SO MUCH STUFF from his games. The train, the ganondorf fight, etc.
Young Link is worse. He had to be CUSTOM MADE for this game since he wasn't in brawl or sm4sh. And guess what? HE ALREASY HAS A PERFECT FINAL SMASH. *Fierce Diety Link*
It's one of the most obvious inclusions. Even if he just clobbers the hell out of the opponent in a cutscene, it would still be fine.
I think they fumbled the bag with Link as well. Not Triforce Slash anymore, but the Divine Beast mega laser makes more sense than an item you can get dozens of.
Maybe I could agree if the two characters who gad that Final smash didn’t have way more potential than that. Seriously are you going to tell me Young Link turning into Fierce deity wouldn’t have been better?
As the biggest Xenoblade fan you’ll ever meet, yeah it’s represented fine.
I think having Adult Shulk and Adult Rex in place of Shulk and Pyra would be better, if not just replace pyra with normal rex. Also add Noah or Mio
wasn't it the fact they had a lot of trouble trying to make Rex work is why he was replaced by his blade in Smash?
I think shulk and pyra are fine, though I'd love to see an off the cuff pick like Melia (her summons could make for a fun gimmick I think)
I would love to see Doomguy upgraded from a Mii Costume to a full character, he has a lot of potential with his moveset.
You guys still on about that? It’s been like, 5 years are people still wish for this character?
@@AGZhark Of course I want Doomguy in smash, Doom is my favourite game franchise.
Yes, so we can finally have Isabelle and Doomguy fighting in the same team! (Yes, you can do that with the mii costume, but that's not the same)
@@AGZhark People have been on about Geno for longer
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with your brother, Zelda's TP design is much more better than her ALTTP design, because she feels like an actual princess rather than a girl cosplaying as one.
14:02 Lucario is technically from the Pokémon anime since his game came out after his movie.
Happy this comment exists.
But was he made for the game, and that anime just happened to release first? Cus this matters
ODYSSEY FANS WE SHALL GIVE HIS BROTHER THE NOT SO HEROS EXOCUTION OF TOMATO PELTING
my hot take is that wario should be able to use a fully charged fart at any time
Your opinion stinks.
@@Josue_S_6411 litteraly
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If he could do that he'd be better than Brawl MK.
I agree with your take on Mario's moveset, but I do NOT think it extends to Kirby's. While power-ups in the Mario series are more of a extra aspect assisting the main platforming gameplay, the Kirby series relies on its copy abilities a lot more for challenges, puzzles, and overall level design. Plus, while Mario's moveset emphasizes his platforming roots, Kirby's only emphasizes his series' low skill floor. Kirby games (at least theoretically) are all about reaction, using copy abilities you find throughout a stage to your advantage in combat and movement, or even using no ability to use those enemies and even some attacks as your means of attack.
I think Kirby's moveset in Smash should change to reflect this reactionary playstyle, most likely in the shape of a bait-and-punish archetype. Maybe his inhale could reflect projectiles like Dedede's, only faster. Though being easy to pick up and play should also be an important part, as that not only is a big appeal to Kirby games but is also Kirby's purpose in Smash as a whole.
Shoutout to everyone who wasn't included.
NEVER let this man cook (about Smash) again 💀🔥🔥
The Geno one is the only take of his that I agree with
I still have no Idea why Geno, of all the possible characters to ask for is so popular. He's one character in one game, that from my knowledge, isn't any more important than Mallow from the same game. Not only are there better characters in general than Geno who deserve a spot more but there are even other Mario characters that deserve to be in more. Waluigi, Toad, heck I'd argue a Goomba deserve a spot more than Geno.
Another hot take I have is that Ultimate has too many third-party characters. I think third party characters are great, but they feel less special when most of the newcomers in Ultimate were comprised of them. Brawl and Smash 4 had the perfect third party to first party ratio.
Paper Mario would be my pick for an RPG rep
@@autismandgaming4532 I agree with you, Despite technically being another version of Mario, Paper Mario is a way better way to rep the RPG side of Mario than Geno.
Odyssey you should really rank every idle animation in smash. I love your rankings and I think it would be a good video. As far as I know no one has done it yet. Just throwing out ideas but I think it would be cool to see.